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Perverts Among Us #12 Martha Byrne · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  You know, I I always start with a working title on these shows.
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  And uh the work and title isn't always the end title, but we'll see in this particular case today.
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  I don't know.
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  And I was thrown at by by Martha just a moment ago here.
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  Uh now present company not included, but perverts among us.
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  So we'll see where that goes.
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  But this is going to be interesting interesting today.
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  And I'll tell you a little bit about that.
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  Let me read you this here first before I introduce you to Martha.
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  This is interesting.
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  There was a time not long ago when a cultural reckoning reshaped the entertainment industry.
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  What began as a slow burn ignited with a reporting of Ronan Farrell, whose investigation exposed the long rumored abuses of Harvey Weinstein, right?
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  Uh the so-called cast and couch was never a secret.
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  Uh, it existed as an open, if really acknowledged reality.
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  Wow.
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  Aspirant actors understood that opportunity sometimes came with an unspoken cost, and in a system defined by power imbalances.
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  Many felt they had little choice but to comply.
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  The culture enabled predatory behavior, shielding influential figures from accountability while leaving the vulnerable to navigate a system stacked against them.
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  Wow.
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  Welcome into Project Out Loud Friends.
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  It is Malcolm Out Loud here.
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  Speaking of we got Martha Byrne in the house, if you can believe that.
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  And I just want to tell you if you don't know, she's a three-time uh Emmy Award winning actress, writer, and you've got an incredible backdrop, Martha.
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  Of course, you know this already.
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  You were there.
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  And she's been uh actress, writer, producer, uh, with a career spanning over 30 years in the entertainment industry.
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  And listen to this here.
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  At the age of 10, Martha starred on Broadway and guess what show.
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  It's a classic man.
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  I've seen it many times, Annie, uh, and had a successful career in front of and behind the camera ever since.
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  Uh, one of her most recognizable roles was the uh CBS uh daytime soap opera as the world turns.
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  Uh, she played the role of Lily, and then her twin sister Rose, for which she won the lead actress Emmy.
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  Wow.
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  That's gotta be satisfying to you to have that as you look back now, that career.
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  What do you what do you say?
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  I it's it's wonderful to hear it.
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  I have a great appreciation for the experiences that I had, and I didn't take it them for granted at the time, thank goodness, because there's nothing worse than regretting the missing the moment.
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  And that particular Emmy that year, I was playing twins, I was working so hard.
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  Our whole cast, you know, this is never done alone.
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  You have hundreds of crew and cast and makeup and hair, and and everybody was cohesive.
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  And it was an incredible year for our show.
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  I think we won seven Emmys that year.
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  Best show, best writing, best everything.
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  And uh we're nominated for like 18.
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  So it's a it's a community effort, but I'm so grateful.
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  And I watch videos now.
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  Look, I look back sometimes just to see, and I go, wow, I was pretty good.
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  You know, at the time, I I just did it, but I look back now, I can have a better perspective on it now.
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  And I say, Well, I believe what I'm saying when I watch that scene.
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  I I like that.
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  So I'm I'm glad that I played a character for so long, almost two decades, that stayed with the audience for so long, and you know as better than anybody is to stay relevant to the public is is a bigger achievement than an Emmy.
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  It is, and you you have to keep reinventing yourself.
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  See, that that's the thing is in this business you can't be complacent.
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  No, but playing a character like uh on a soap opera, it's very different than movies and primetime television because you're in their living room every day.
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  You know, they're they're hanging out, they're washing dishes, whatever they're doing in their living room, or they're on their now, they're on their phones, but you were part of their fabric of their everyday, as opposed to a movie star who feels unattainable, you know, or a series that could go on for one season or 10.
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  But soap operas, they feel like you they grew up with you and they did.
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  It's multi-generational.
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  Yeah, so I I have a very special relationship with the the audience, and they're very forgiving, they're very forgiving.
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  If you had bad storylines, they were like, Oh, we knew there's something good was coming next.
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  So they're they're one wonderful, and I'll tell you, and I love talking about this now, especially with social media.
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  As that in 20 years, I never got a negative letter in my wow, wow.
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  Not one.
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  I think they would be different today, but that just shows you how appreciative the audience was.
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  And you know, you bring up an interesting point.
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  I'll tell you what.
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  Um I'm gonna say something to you here that uh we get lots of correspondence here and lots of emails on lots of levels.
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  We do QA's on many of the programs, do a lot of things, and I gotta tell you, people really reach back and they appreciate and they're very gracious and graceful in their commentary.
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  And we we don't get those bad uh emails or vibes here either.
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  They're pretty positive all the way across the board.
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  I mean 99.9.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  You're very fortunate.
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  You know, we know there's too many stories, especially these days of how negative people can be and mean.
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  When you look back and you critique yourself, I know for me, and in fact, I tell a lot of hosts and stuff on the network, Martha, that uh they wonder how am I doing?
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  How did I do and so on and so forth?
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  And I say, well, uh, the best thing for you to do is look back and critique yourself because no one's gonna be hotter on you than you.
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  Other people may say things and you know, it may or may not resonate with you, or you may not believe them.
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  But if you look at yourself and you critique yourself, uh, because some people like they say, well, I don't ever watch myself because I don't like my to watch.
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  I said that's stupid.
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  What do you mean you don't watch yourself?
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  I mean, how do you ever become good at the craft?
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  You gotta go back and study yourself, and you gotta know what you like and what I'm the worst.
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  I'm like again, Carly Simon wrote that song after me.
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  You're so happy.
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  I'm the worst.
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  Well, no, I am, I'm the worst.
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  And uh, and uh so I'm always critique things in the way that okay, I like that.
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  I don't like that at all, man.
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  But you know, you get to a point in your career where you do get pretty good at it, and you kind of say, I'm pretty good at this thing, you know, whatever.
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  In your career where you do get pretty good at it, and you kind of say, Oh, I'm pretty good at this thing, you know, whatever.
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  But what what when you critique yourself?
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  But what what when you critique yourself?
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  Do you are you harder on yourself?
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  Do you are you harder on yourself?
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  Are you lighter on your how do you I'm not sure anything?
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  Are you lighter on your how do you I'm not anything?
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  I think that I worked with a wonderful actress named Elizabeth Hubbard, uh, wonderful the everything you can imagine.
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  I think that I I worked with a wonderful actress named Elizabeth Hubbard, uh, wonderful the everything you can imagine.
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  She did film television, soap operas.
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  She did film television, soap operas.
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  She played my mother, one of my mothers on As the World Turns, and she said, you know, when you think you've learned everything, you should just quit.
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  She played my mother, one of my mothers on As the World Turns, and she said, you know, when you think you've learned everything, you should just quit.
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  And she was right.
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  And she was right, meaning there are no mistakes.
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  Meaning, there are no mistakes in acting, they're just different choices.
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  And she taught me that.
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  She taught me to leap off the building and and and don't worry about the net.
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  And that's the best gift you can give an actor.
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  But I did watch myself.
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  I would watch my work and I would see where that I thought, well, that could have been a different choice.
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  But uh, no regrets, no, none.
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  No, that's what I mean.
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  No, no, you don't want to have regrets, you don't want to live in the past.
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  Uh, but these uh are I call them stepping stones to the future because you you learn things along the way, and and actually the the times that you are critiquing, or something, you know, those are the times, those are the richness that you learn a lot from, actually.
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  I find uh when sometimes things don't go so good in life, or something happens, that's a learning opportunity, is what that is, Martha.
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  That's I always look at it that way, you know.
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  I agree.
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  Yeah, I agree.
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  I think also trusting a director, so as an actor, yeah, you know, and you're and your co-worker, your co-star, co-you know partner, because I have worked with people, actresses who have tried to sabotage scenes and make it about themselves, and it was glaringly obvious.
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  And I just sat back and let them do their show, whatever it was for them.
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  It was their moment they wanted to.
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  That's fine, but I I don't work that way.
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  So, you know, when you have a collaborator who's your peer, and then you have an amazing director, and you can trust, it's about trust.
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  Anything, everything's about trust.
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  Yeah, and I was very blessed to work with people who were just there to encourage me and teach me and open me open open arms about you know how to how to look at a scene, but it was more about discussion, more about choices.
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  You know, let's try that, let's try this, let's see how it works.
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  And it was it was just an unbelievable process.
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  You were blessed.
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  Not only have you had a storied career, but you avoided, I believe, many of the things we're going to talk about today.
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  Is that correct?
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  I I can't believe it.
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  Yes, and I'll I I guess and I I don't okay.
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  Um, yeah, we'll talk about that because I had time to think about it.
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  Yeah, no, no, I don't know.
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  I don't know.
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  I'm I'm assuming you have because I didn't see that come up anywhere in and you're you're an authentic person.
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  I mean, like me, you say what it is, and that's it, you know.
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  Yes, it is what it is, that's how I live my life, you know, good, bad, ugly, whatever it is.
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  All right.
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  So I had that little Diddy I I uh set up front here, which you wrote that, and uh that piece about that environment.
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  Yeah, and you know, when that happened, now I let me tell you, I remember the couple of people that stick out of me.
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  Harvey Weinstein was one, he was a very powerful man, he was a very powerful man in a powerful position, and had a very good name at that point.
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  Uh he was doing incredible work, um, and was groundbreaking.
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  And anybody, everybody wanted to put his name on a project because it was it was gold, it was gold.
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  And I just remember that with Weinstein, and it's the same thing with somebody we all grew up with, and another name that really bothered me.
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  This one, uh, really I just couldn't get over this one.
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  It was Bill Cosby.
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  Yeah, well, we grew up with Bill Cosby, and uh, he was the father, he was a father figure, he was uh all America.
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  It's like uh, you know, leave it to Beaver.
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  Uh and um, but um and when that started happening with him and the numbers of people they came out with him, and and I think correct me on this, Martha, but he is out free now, isn't he?
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  He got away, right?
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  He's out for medical, medical, medical reason.
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  He was able to served a little bit of time, right?
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  But then got out.
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  Uh how how much time did he serve?
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  Do you remember?
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  Not enough.
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  Uh not only a year or two, or I'm not even sure.
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  Um it wasn't that.
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  I mean, when I say that long, every day in prison is hell, obviously.
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  But if you committed the crimes, then you belong there, period.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Um, yeah, I not very long, not very long.
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  He was disgusting the things, but both of them were disgusting, actually, here.
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  All right, so that culture, tell us about that that culture when you say things like the casting couch, and it was never a secret, all right.
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  Right.
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  How how widespread is this behavior?
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  Number one in society, do you think with powerful men?
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  And because that's corporate boardrooms, that's uh you know, uh entertainment industries, Hollywood, it's politicians, which we'll talk about swallow, all that.
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  But how how widespread?
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  What's your sense in society as a whole, and then in in Hollywood itself?
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  Tell me.
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  I think with Hollywood, we'll start with that because I lived in California with I lived in Hollywood for almost four years, and I worked consistently in Hollywood for many years after I left as the world turns for a few in 1989, and I lived next to Brad Pitt.
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  He was my neighbor, you know.
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  We were we weren't friends, I wouldn't say we're friends, but that's kind of the the group of you know, the generation that was going around Hollywood, hanging out, having a good time.
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  And I say having a good time, meaning like we were all working actors or we're trying to be working actors.
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  I was never ever invited to anything that was weird or crazy, or you know, thank God I would never go anyway, but how would you know?
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  You know, a lot of bad things happened to some people that I know.
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  Now looking back, I was like, wow, that was you know, uh a terrible situation that I was not uh aware of a you weren't part of it because you weren't invited, but why wasn't you invited to those things?
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  Um I think you know, people know if you're that person or you're not, you know.
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  I think I'm not a vulnerable, I don't come across as a vulnerable person, right?
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  I mean, I feel like I I just read Christina Applegate's book, and I highly recommend it.
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  And I I will say we are I've never met Christina Applegate.
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  I can't believe it.
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  We were literally living blocks away from each other in California, and we never hung out, which is strange to me.
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  But uh she told says a thing in her book that when she met Harvey Weinstein, he was afraid of her.
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  And and he was like, I hear I heard about you, like you're tough, you know.
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  I think that's kind of how I came across.
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  I'll tell you, I had a very interesting.
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  I have one story that was kind of crazy.
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  Uh, it was a producer, big producer.
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  Again, he I'll tell you in a minute if I can remember his name.
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  Anyway, it doesn't matter.
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  He I was out having lunch, and this young producer, I guess guy is called me over.
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  You said I just watched you on the in the heat of the night with Carol O'Connor.
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  You were fantastic.
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  Thank you.
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  You know, I just did a guest episode.
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  He said, Please come by my studio tomorrow, and I'd like to hear more about your work, bring some of your tapes from your your your shows and this and that.
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  And he was a big producer, is one of something to do with diehard.
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  Again, I don't doesn't matter.
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  So I call my agent, I said, Listen, I just met so and so.
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  And I said, listen, I just met so and so.
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  And and they said, Okay, we'll set up the meeting.
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  And they said, okay, we'll set up the meeting.
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  My agent sets up the meeting.
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  My agent sets up the meeting, and I go on to the studio a lot, I go in, it's fancy schmancy.
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  And I go on to the studio a lot.
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  I go in, it's fancy schmancy.
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  I go in and I sit down, and he says, He goes, I would love to take you out to dinner.
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  I go in and I sit down, and he says, he goes, I would love to take you out to dinner.
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  And I said, uh, I have a boyfriend, but thank you for asking.
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  And I said, uh, I have a boyfriend, but thank you for asking.
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  Um talk about my work.
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  Um talk about my work.
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  I never heard from him again.
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  I never heard from him again.
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  But interestingly enough, he showed up in the black book of Heidi Fleiss as one of a regular for prostitutes, and that he had all these, you know, he was a bad.
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  But interestingly enough, he showed up in the black book of Heidi Fleiss as one of a regular for prostitutes, and that he had all these, you know, he was a bad, he was one of those guys, but I immediately shut it down.
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  So I was like, I'm not interested in that.
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  I don't do that.
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  And Christina Applegate said the same thing.
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  She goes, I wanted to succeed.
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  I'm on the merit of my work.
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  That was all that mattered.
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  And I'm I was the same way.
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  I would go to fun parties, but it was like, you know, I knew Matthew Perry, and we had mutual we hung out, like we were all friends, but it was a different people that I hung around with weren't doing those things.
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  Do you understand?
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  Like we were having we were we were peers, we were in Hollywood trying to just be successful.
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  And the the dark the casting couch side of it, there was plenty of opportunities for young women to do whatever meet guys like that.
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  Okay, quick picture yourself if you're a young actress and you come into a situation, you go, well, I guess this is how it works, and for some it did, and that was okay with them, and then there's other times when it was predatory.
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  There's a difference, there's a difference between a young actress going, I'm okay, like we're having fun, and then we're you know, we're having a good time.
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  Okay, okay, see the difference.
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  Yeah, and then there's a predator who's like, I I'm gonna take advantage of you, and I'm gonna, you know, you're gonna like Harvey Weinstein was a bully, right?
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  He was a bully, and he threatened people and he destroyed careers and lives.
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  And we had a uh an actor that I worked with, he became a television um a film director and had a girlfriend, and they were out to dinner with Harvey Weinstein, and they were at a small dinner gathering, and he said Harvey Weinstein put his hand on his girlfriend's leg and put started going up her leg.
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  And my friend stood up and said, basically, you know what he said, right to his face, screamed and yelled at him, said basically, and left.
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  And now this is a young up and coming director.
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  He's having dinner with Harvey Weinstein.
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  He could have ignored that.
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  He could have said, Listen, honey, it's okay.
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  He didn't, you know what that is?
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  That's integrity.
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  That's saying some things are more important than your career.
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  Yeah, 100%, 100%.
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  It was available to you.
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  You know, there were people that you know that were like that.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  You know, I never can rationalize how these people just go out of their way to hurt people in the way that they do, as you say, destroy lives, do these kinds of yeah, but I try to understand the makeup of a man and why some do that, yeah, what the drive-in mechanism is.
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  And I don't really understand, I don't get it.
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  I don't get the compression, like I could never hurt anybody on that on any level.
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  I just wouldn't, I just doesn't cross my it's not something that I can even think about, you know.
• 17:09
  It doesn't cross my mind ever.
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  Well, I'll tell you, I witnessed I witnessed it evolve in someone once, uh a director.
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  Okay, and who kind of went up the scale, became more successful.
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  And the more successful he became, the more women were giving him attention.
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  Okay, and he liked that a lot.
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  And then he got a big producer job, and then the women really liked him.
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  And I said to him one day, I said, I said, how's it make you feel that they laugh at all your dumb jokes?
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  Like that they're that they're just fawning over you.
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  And he was like, he kind of smile, and he loved the attention.
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  So what he did was he felt comfortable enough to just cross the line.
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  And once you cross the line, it's very difficult to go back.
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  And it was power, control, ego, ego, ego.
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  Now, this is a very unattractive man.
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  Let me tell you, this guy is not an attractive man.
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  So his whole life, he's never been given that attention.
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  Look at Harvey Weinstein, right?
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  You know, I'm sorry, it's like he's hideous, he's hideous, but yet people are fawning all over him.
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  And he's right, he has power, set power, and he has what they want.
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  They find the power attractive, not the man or his personality or anything about it, you know.
• 18:28
  Definitely, yeah, definitely.
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  And listen, I'm gonna tell you right now, there are brilliant, brilliant producers, directors, and it is extremely fulfilling to be in their presence when they're they're creatives, right?
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  There, you want to have those conversations and you talk about it, but like that's it.
• 18:45
  You know, you then you walk away, yeah, you go home, and you you go, wow, that was an interesting person.
• 18:51
  Yeah, you and you mentioned you mentioned Christina Ampligate, and but here's the here's the here's what separates certain people.
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  I think when you talk, you think about her and you think about you, Martha.
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  Uh, those people are probably scared scared to hell out of powerful women, strong, strong women, strong women.
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  I would say strong women scare them, I would imagine.
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  Don't you?
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  Not her.
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  I don't think Christina Applegate would anybody could scare her based on her life story, which I again I recommend her book.
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  But powerful, I've seen just as predatory women as predatory men in my entertainment in the entertainment business.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Okay.
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  Um, they just abuse differently.
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  So a female, as a producer or executive producer or whatever, will put down the actress, they'll belittle the actress, they'll say you're getting fat.
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  You, you know, that's how they control.
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  Uh, men don't really do that, they try it a different way.
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  So what are the women after though?
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  The men are after the sex, I think.
• 19:52
  Uh, what are the women after?
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  Women, it's power, it's a it's power.
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  It's the same, it's a drug, it's a drug.
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  It's a drug because you got to remember these are these people go into rooms with executives, high revels network executives to film executives, and they feel like they are they're the center of the room, which they are most of the time.
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  So they're there's a it's very addictive that power, and there's more a thousand stories, but the women strong women is fascinating to me.
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  Uh I worked with some of the strongest wet women actresses in in the industry.
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  And I'm not kidding.
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  I mean, these are multi-Emy award-winning uh, you know, Broadway stars, and they were the best.
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  I worked with Angela Lansbury.
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  I mean, I worked with her, the best, most professional, most powerful woman in Hollywood at the time I worked with her.
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  And could not have been more professional, but she was she she she had a bad side.
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  No, she was extremely powerful.
• 20:52
  Yeah, see my point.
• 20:53
  She had integrity, she had integrity, she had professional, she was a so she passed the test.
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  She passed the test.
• 21:00
  Oh, for sure.
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  Oh, for sure.
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  But she was also in an industry that did not want her to succeed.
• 21:01
  But she's also in an industry that did not want her to succeed.
• 21:04
  Yeah.
• 21:04
  Yeah, so yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 21:04
  So women producers have a lot harder time than men producers in Hollywood.
• 21:05
  Yeah, yeah.
• 21:06
  Women producers have a lot harder time than men producers in Hollywood, so they have to work twice as hard to get any kind of uh jobs, and and that's is that still like that today?
• 21:09
  So they have to work twice as hard to get any kind of uh jobs.
• 21:13
  And that's is that still like that today?
• 21:16
  Uh not as much.
• 21:16
  Uh not as much, right?
• 21:17
  Right.
• 21:18
  I don't know.
• 21:18
  I don't know.
• 21:18
  Not as much.
• 21:18
  Not as much.
• 21:19
  You know, I I've seen one of my producers that I work with.
• 21:19
  You know, I I've seen one of my producers that I work with, she's done tens of tons of television shows, and yeah, there's I don't know if there's I think there's more opportunity now than ever for women to do.
• 21:22
  She's done tens of tons of television shows.
• 21:24
  And yeah, there's I don't know if there's I think there's more opportunity now than ever for women to do that.
• 21:30
  Right, right.
• 21:31
  There's been a lot of improvements, a lot of improvements over time.
• 21:33
  Yeah, there's no doubt about it.
• 21:35
  I see that today for sure.
• 21:36
  All right.
• 21:37
  So when you look at uh the industry then of these people, and I'm glad and I like the way you pointed out that uh, you know, there are women as well.
• 21:45
  Uh because I forgot about that, but you're right.
• 21:48
  I do uh you can see that you can see the script on some of those women.
• 21:51
  And I asked the question, what are they after really?
• 21:53
  You say just power.
• 21:54
  Yeah, I mean uh, you know, because a lot of these men are perverts, they're just after sex and stuff, and that's part of the.
• 22:01
  Oh, I've seen women though.
• 22:02
  I mean, there's been executive producers of shows where females have slept with the uh the young actors.
• 22:06
  I mean, I've seen that too.
• 22:07
  So it's not like you know that exclusive, but it's it's readily available if they want it, is what I'm saying.
• 22:14
  Yeah, yeah.
• 22:15
  So when you look at what in is it how rare this kind of approach in Hollywood, staying in Hollywood a moment here?
• 22:25
  How rare is it, or how common is it?
• 22:27
  Is it is it is it uh 20% of the industry that is sort of corrupt in that way.
• 22:32
  Is it 50% of the industry that is corrupt?
• 22:35
  Is it more?
• 22:35
  What is it?
• 22:36
  That's a great question.
• 22:38
  Since I I really did not experience it personally when I was living in Hollywood, and I was when I say I was friends with Matthew Perry, who was on had just gotten friends, uh other actors and writers who are working for Scrubs, like very successful women, men, uh, young people in the industry.
• 23:00
  I was not a I now I'm saying this is the top-tier people, right?
• 23:04
  And they're working on the top tier shows with the top tier writers, and that was not present in our group, but it was it was there, so somewhere, you know, I'd have us hear a story here like that.
• 23:17
  My personal story would happen to me, right?
• 23:19
  With this guy kind of coming up to me.
• 23:21
  But I think it's there's a percentage.
• 23:25
  I uh that's a really hard question.
• 23:28
  I'm glad you asked it because I I think the Harvey Weinstein case may have exposed the when it's someone of that nature, and how many think about how many people he touched, like literally, and also producers and you know, from the top down, all the people he hundreds of thousands of people that hit his his power touched and he controlled.
• 23:49
  Woof, that's pretty major, you know.
• 23:51
  And he and he destroyed lives in the process.
• 23:54
  He destroyed and the entertainment industry.
• 23:55
  He he destroyed the entertainment industry because they're in his that's a good point.
• 24:00
  Yeah, that's a good point.
• 24:01
  I kind of felt he did do that as well.
• 24:03
  It was so dark, that cloud was so dark and so reckless that and and so did Cosby in many ways.
• 24:10
  He destroyed he pulled that those were two massive figures uh in different ways.
• 24:16
  Uh, but that they were such dark clouds that uh the destruction was widespread.
• 24:22
  Yes, and you know, the when you hear the stories about Cosby behind the scenes and how he would have money delivered to his these women and predatory, as you said earlier.
• 24:34
  Very much so, very much so.
• 24:36
  Um, and it's it's you know, the difference between a Harvey Weinstein and a Bill Cosby is like you said, Bill Cosby was everybody's dad, right?
• 24:44
  You wanted to be, you know, his friend, you he was funny, his stand-up was funny, you know.
• 24:49
  It it's it feels like a personal loss for us uh in our culture.
• 24:53
  Yes, have to recognize that someone is uh as evil as that.
• 24:58
  It's uh it's like never meet your heroes kind of story.
• 25:01
  Um right, because he had America fooled.
• 25:04
  He sure did.
• 25:05
  He sure did, but behind the scenes he didn't, and I think we're in a different culture now where it was once it was exposed, it took one person to start it, and then it just went wild, right?
• 25:16
  Yeah, uh same with Harvey Weinstein, you know, Rose McGowan was one of the first people who talked to Ronan Farrow and and under, you know, sh uh she didn't say her name, but she came out publicly with Ronan and Farrow to expose him.
• 25:28
  Um God bless her for doing that, because it's it's she suffered tremendously because of that, her career uh and her life and her mental her mental.
• 25:38
  See, this is what I'm saying, you know, the mental damage they don't get, they don't care.
• 25:41
  There's it's all about how many can I put how many people can I control.
• 25:45
  Yeah, you know, that show I wanted to tell you because I'll forget to tell you that show you did this past week, by the way.
• 25:51
  I've got to tell you.
• 25:53
  Uh let me I'm pulling it up right now.
• 25:55
  Uh has been trending for several days on just so you I know I'm telling you this live, but it's hold on, let me get that.
• 26:03
  Okay, listen to this.
• 26:04
  Uh America has an interest.
• 26:06
  The evolution of the soap opera with special guest Anthony Anderson.
• 26:11
  That and it's got some good good photographs of Tesha.
• 26:14
  That show has been trended now for several days on the platform.
• 26:19
  Wonderful.
• 26:19
  Wonderful.
• 26:20
  Isn't that cool?
• 26:22
  Yeah, right now.
• 26:23
  Yeah, I'm so I'm so thrilled because Elizabeth had passed away, Helbert had passed away.
• 26:27
  Who we, you know, I talked about her just now.
• 26:29
  And you know, keeping her memory alive.
• 26:31
  You see how pop this is a woman who passed away several years ago, and they the audience loves her, you know, they love they want to hear more about her, and she's gone, you know, she's gone from the earth, but her her legacy remains.
• 26:45
  And we just I'm so I was thrilled to do that piece because Anthony Anderson, you know, we he was the producer of a show, Anacostia, which is a web series, yeah, and gave Elizabeth this opportunity before her last performance on this planet, and we got to experience that together.
• 27:03
  It was wonderful.
• 27:04
  So I'm I'm I think I'm glad the audience is responding to that.
• 27:06
  Yeah, no, they uh are loving it, obviously.
• 27:09
  And you you you put it out there so well, and um it it's uh you it's where you're connecting with audiences, which you always have, that's why you've had success you've had.
• 27:17
  Thank you.
• 27:18
  And uh for that reason, you connect with people and in a very unique way.
• 27:22
  So this um I am sure so I'm trying to understand as a guy myself, these characters, what sort of yeah, no, I'm trying to trying to understand the the what these characters, what what creates those kinds of characters?
• 27:37
  Um, and uh because oftentimes when things happen, I I try and I don't know if you ever do this, Martha, but I try to put myself in that position to think about what and I it's hard to um it's hard to understand those stories, and it's hard to balance that all out to understand how could somebody do something so evil and so well, it's no different than people who murder people or create crime or do that kind of thing.
• 28:00
  Or do that kind of thing.
• 28:01
  I mean, you wonder how do they do that?
• 28:01
  I mean, you wonder how do they do that?
• 28:02
  Uh what is it about this?
• 28:03
  What is it about this?
• 28:04
  Like you just mentioned, the person left the earth.
• 28:04
  Like you just mentioned, the person left the earth.
• 28:07
  You know, life is a blessing, and you humanity is a blessing.
• 28:07
  You know, life is a blessing, and you humanity is a blessing.
• 28:11
  Uh, this earth is a blessing, and people are.
• 28:11
  Uh, this earth is a blessing, and people are, and uh what why you would take another life or why you would destroy another life and the capacity of what we're talking about, and um is um it is incredible really.
• 28:13
  And uh what why you would take another life or why you would destroy another life and the capacity of what we're talking about, and um is um it is incredible, really.
• 28:23
  And we're seeing it now, and I do want to talk about a little bit after some of the politicians and stuff, because we're seeing that Congress is one of the most filthiest.
• 28:23
  And we're seeing it now, and I do want to talk about a little bit after some of the politicians and stuff, because we're seeing that Congress is one of the most filthiest places going for a whole lot of reasons.
• 28:32
  And of course, you've had your hands full of Congress in recent uh weeks, months, and for a little while with the story you've been through, which is another story for another day with your husband, but it was a remarkable story, uh, which we do need to talk about someday here.
• 28:45
  Um, because you like not only weathered this storm, but you you uh not prevailed, you succeeded, you conquered, you did it.
• 28:55
  And that's back to the powerful woman, uh, because you not been that powerful woman, had you not had the experiences you had over the years, had you not become the powerful woman you were and smart, you would not have been able to win that storm.
• 29:10
  Thank you.
• 29:10
  I I I want to go back to what you just talked about, how how people how can they do what they do?
• 29:16
  What you just described is what an actor's process is.
• 29:21
  So a serial killer doesn't think they're doing anything wrong, right?
• 29:26
  I mean, you really have to get in that psyche of why.
• 29:31
  If I was playing an Eric Swalwell or I'm playing a Harry Weinstein kind of character, other predatory type of characters, the first thing I would do is do is try to figure out why are they doing it, right?
• 29:41
  Then you got to work backwards.
• 29:43
  And that's what I loved about acting.
• 29:45
  Every intention, everything you do, you have to be there has to be something behind it.
• 29:50
  And a murderer doesn't realize you doesn't think they're doing anything wrong, and they're pathological, but why?
• 29:57
  So similar to how someone could take it like you talked about our game, we'll talk about it another another time.
• 30:03
  You know, when I've the people that I've met in DC and in the FBI and Department of Justice, who were purely evil people.
• 30:12
  I mean, these are these are evil.
• 30:14
  You go, how can someone put their head on a pillow at night and know that they're destroying an innocent people's lives?
• 30:20
  You go, well, there's a means to an end for them.
• 30:24
  It doesn't matter, you're irrelevant.
• 30:25
  Same with Harvey Weinstein, same with the politicians.
• 30:29
  That target, that victim is irrelevant to their ultimate goal.
• 30:34
  And they justify it because they figure, well, if I can do this, then I become more powerful, then I can do more, more, more, more, more.
• 30:42
  There's no bottom to their more.
• 30:44
  So, but it takes a little time.
• 30:46
  It takes a little bit, like I said earlier.
• 30:48
  Someone going, You're the best.
• 30:50
  Oh my gosh, you're so talented.
• 30:51
  You're so talented.
• 30:52
  I want to be like you.
• 30:53
  I want to inspire to be like same with with mil politicians.
• 30:58
  It's like they have power to change things, and they know it and they get money and they get paid.
• 31:05
  So there's something very uh I say the word evil, sinister, sinister, calculated, sinister, yeah, um, justified, they justify it to themselves.
• 31:18
  And then they guess what they also do.
• 31:20
  Similar with the Harvey Weinsteins of the world, they're politicians.
• 31:23
  They surround themselves with other people like them.
• 31:26
  So they don't bring in the good guys, they don't hang out at the cocktail party with the good guys.
• 31:32
  They don't go to the strip strip joints with the the good guys.
• 31:36
  Yeah, yeah.
• 31:37
  You know, they find each other.
• 31:38
  Yep.
• 31:39
  So and then they justify it to each other.
• 31:41
  Hey, you know, they swap stories.
• 31:43
  Yeah, that's how it starts.
• 31:44
  That's how it that's how it breeds.
• 31:46
  You you hit a nerve with me with that, and in a very uh unique way.
• 31:50
  And I think you and I would agree with the fact that I tell my well, I tell my kids all the time, and and I tell a lot of people around me, but um positive energy attracts positive energy, negative energy attracts negative energy.
• 32:06
  Be very careful of the people you're hanging with and what's going on or who you're communicating with.
• 32:11
  Now, I my college uh again, college age uh daughter and son, uh I've always told them that uh that energy you want to surround yourself with uh bright people who um can rub off on you in those ways, not not complicated, controversial people that are gonna wear you down with problems and drama, drama problems, and because it really is uh we we're all made of energy, actually, Mantha.
• 32:36
  And that that energy is soaked up with what's in the room now.
• 32:39
  So for me, I never did well with negative energy.
• 32:43
  I never as a young guy did I, as I got older and through the corporate boardrooms and all that even before America Out Loud, which is 10 years old now.
• 32:51
  Uh I avoided negative energy like the plague.
• 32:54
  It was never, it was just not my strength, it was my weakness.
• 32:57
  I wanted nothing to do with it.
• 32:59
  So I would always surround myself with the brightest, smartest people.
• 33:02
  People, well, actually, actually, the people that are, and that's one of the secrets actually to uh to success in corporate boardrooms.
• 33:09
  Surround yourself with people that are smarter than you.
• 33:12
  Definitely.
• 33:12
  Same goes with acting.
• 33:14
  If you work with an actor who's better than you, you're going to get better, but you have to pay attention.
• 33:19
  I said that these are your greatest gifts as an actor to listen to what you're you're, you know, you that's why I started on as a real turns when I was 15 years old.
• 33:29
  I I had had five years in the industry, but I didn't really know what acting was until I worked with real like an actor who wanted to collaborate and and communicate.
• 33:37
  It's the same thing.
• 33:39
  You you you you level up to that person you're working with.
• 33:43
  And if you cannot, you have to reach out to that person and say, I how how can you help?
• 33:48
  Can you help?
• 33:49
  I want to be more I'm gonna be do better at what I'm doing.
• 33:53
  And good actresses or actors who are more seasoned than you are supposed to help you, not hurt you.
• 34:02
  Yeah.
• 34:03
  No, it is this is a big lesson.
• 34:04
  And people are here and right now when you hear Martha say some of this, and and what we're talking about right now.
• 34:10
  But uh, it is a fact.
• 34:11
  It is a fact.
• 34:12
  Um, if you pay attention to that, whereas if you find yourself wasting time and spinning your wheels and you're on the phone and gossip or problems and people, you become a product of that society.
• 34:24
  And unless you're willing to break it off, uh your life is gonna go off kilter in those directions and stuff.
• 34:30
  So uh, you know, so when I make the statement, surround yourself, which I have done in my life here, it's a perfect example, Martha, where you're on here today.
• 34:38
  So we we've got this amazing network, America Out Loud.news with all these incredible people.
• 34:43
  And who introduced us uh was uh Colonel John Mills, right?
• 34:47
  Right, he's the best.
• 34:49
  He is the best.
• 34:50
  He's great.
• 34:50
  He's gonna see this interview, and he'll know we talked about him.
• 34:53
  And um, but uh he he is uh terrific, terrific man, and it's been a blessing.
• 34:58
  And um, but um that's who introduced us, and uh, but but you know, we we have and that's the thing, uh you know, I gotta be honest.
• 35:00
  Yeah, he that's who introduced us.
• 35:01
  And uh, but but you know, we we have and that's the thing, uh you know, I gotta be honest.
• 35:06
  Uh one of the beautiful things about this network, or the most important thing about this group here is we have high caliber people, and they really are people that are smarter than I.
• 35:06
  Uh one of the beautiful things about this network, or the most important thing about this group here is we have high caliber people, and they really are people that are smarter than I.
• 35:15
  Uh, we're best in class, engineers, scientists, doctors, uh, you know, uh uh best selling authors, actor actresses.
• 35:15
  Uh, we're best in class, engineers, scientists, doctors, uh, you know, uh uh best selling authors, actor actresses.
• 35:22
  Uh we've got uh amazing people at the top of their craft, but there's a certain class among those people.
• 35:22
  Uh we've got uh amazing people at the top of their craft, but there's a certain class among those people.
• 35:29
  That's why we don't have the drama.
• 35:31
  We don't, and and I have to say this because we don't have the drama, we don't have the gossip, we don't have those problems.
• 35:35
  They're you know, they're not attracted to this magnet magnet.
• 35:39
  We're a magnet.
• 35:40
  You're doing a great job.
• 35:41
  See what I mean?
• 35:42
  See?
• 35:42
  Yeah.
• 35:43
  Yes, yes, it makes a difference.
• 35:44
  Yeah.
• 35:45
  All right.
• 35:45
  So let me let me take a moment here, tell folks we're talking to Martha Byrne.
• 35:48
  I I love just having this conversation with you.
• 35:50
  I knew it would be very, very special.
• 35:52
  And uh it is, it is, and with your wealth of knowledge and all, and um, but you know, uh, we'll talk about Congress in a minute here.
• 35:59
  And I and I'm gonna you think about this a moment here.
• 36:01
  We'll come back, talk about in a second here.
• 36:03
  But I'm gonna ask you, I'm gonna ask you uh what percent, and and I'm being not being a smart guy here, but what percentage when you talk about Congress and the fraud, and we're not just talking about sexual fraud, but we're talking about money laundering and doing the kinds of things they do in Congress here.
• 36:19
  I'm gonna suggest to you that I'm gonna take a guess here and say that probably seven three quarters of Congress, 75%.
• 36:27
  I'm gonna suggest to you, is as corrupt as the day is long.
• 36:30
  And these people get into office as our framers designed, and but yet they go way off cost because of what you described earlier, the power, the power trips, and then they end up with gated mansions and like Pelosi with uh the a most amazing wall, uh a wall refrigerator that none of us could ever have with ice cream stacked in there and all kinds of things, and she was just living way beyond and these gate mansions and everything else, and then just the rest of us were just the clowns to her, and and but that there's a lot of people like that.
• 36:59
  And they're Democrats and Republicans, by the way.
• 37:01
  That's not just a tune to one party.
• 37:03
  Uh there's tends to be more sometimes in one or the other.
• 37:06
  But anyways, it is what it is.
• 37:07
  Anyways, I find that um, but I'm thinking it's about three quarters.
• 37:10
  And this is the problem with representatives of we the people when we send these people uh to DC to represent us.
• 37:18
  This is such a vital thing, our system.
• 37:20
  Uh, this constitutional republic we have, which is really the essence of who we're sending there to represent us.
• 37:28
  Yes, we're not doing such a good job in that way in uh in this country.
• 37:31
  Um, that's why we're having the problems we're having right now with the swall wells of the world.
• 37:37
  Talk about more of that, you know, in a moment here.
• 37:40
  Okay, so um so Martha Byrne, uh, so this.
• 37:44
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• 37:49
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  McCullough and I and many others are growing sprouts on the countertop, Martha, and they're in a glass container, and there's no soil, no nothing.
• 41:16
  And this is crazy stuff.
• 41:18
  I mean, it's incredibly uh fulfilling.
• 41:20
  But the the sprouts grow in this glass container, and within four days, you've got this massive amount of fresh sprouts, like broccoli sprouts, radish sprouts, all kinds of cool stuff, you know.
• 41:32
  They literally grow, oh, they're so incredibly healthy for you.
• 41:35
  These are the superfoods and the things that propel your body forward.
• 41:39
  And so, but you grow them right on, they're like a dollar a serving.
• 41:42
  They're so inexpensive, they're incredible.
• 41:44
  But anyways, this you gotta check out the sprouting thing as well, just to mention a few items uh in the shop there.
• 41:49
  Check it out, friends.
• 41:50
  And that's how you fuel your body, it fuels the network as well here.
• 41:54
  And okay, back to Martha Byrne here and this uh story.
• 41:57
  I want to now dive into Congress here and talk to you about uh swallow.
• 42:00
  To you about uh Swalwell, give us your impression of what you thought.
• 42:02
  Give us your impression of what you thought.
• 42:04
  But let's but answer that question for me.
• 42:04
  But let's but answer that question for me.
• 42:06
  I I went out on a limb and I talked to a lot of these cats, a lot of the good ones that that are probably in that 25%.
• 42:06
  I I went out on a limb, and I talked to a lot of these cats, a lot of the good ones that that are probably in that 25%.
• 42:12
  The bad ones probably wouldn't come on with me, but I don't think so.
• 42:12
  The bad ones probably wouldn't come on with me, but I don't think so.
• 42:16
  I don't think so.
• 42:16
  I don't think so.
• 42:17
  But uh people like the people that I talk to, like uh like uh Senator Ron Johnson, they're of high caliber people, you know.
• 42:17
  But uh, people like the people that I talked to, like uh Senator Ron Johnson, they're of high caliber people, you know.
• 42:24
  You know what I mean.
• 42:24
  You know what I mean?
• 42:25
  And um, but um, so tell me what you um what you think uh.
• 42:25
  And um, but um, so tell me what you um what you think.
• 42:29
  Uh what percent am I way off on that number in your in your honest opinion?
• 42:33
  Am I way off on that number in Congress?
• 42:35
  Or what?
• 42:36
  You know, I think you you you hit the nail on the head as far as there's so much opportunity to make money, it's all about money.
• 42:44
  So I feel like if you looked at the net worth when they went in and what that is now, it tells you everything you need to know.
• 42:50
  Yeah, they're allowed to be lobbied.
• 42:52
  There's lots of money in lobbying.
• 42:54
  They just came out yesterday.
• 42:56
  It turned out that Planned Parenthood was getting money from COVID relief, and they were hiding it under the Biden administration.
• 43:04
  I seen it, I've seen it.
• 43:05
  Yeah, I mean, this is like insane.
• 43:08
  So I I think that the opportunities are there.
• 43:11
  It's not illegal to be lobbied, right?
• 43:13
  That's that's part of what the passing these bills, getting the move to forward, you know, it's not a crime.
• 43:19
  Uh, you know, the insider trading is a crime, and I think that needs to be addressed.
• 43:23
  We have our local, uh, my local representative, Josh Gottheimer, who has never answered my phone call, will never meet with me.
• 43:31
  He's been accused, I mean, of insider trading, uh, like one of the Nancy Pelosi style type of like level, and nothing seems to happen to him.
• 43:40
  Nothing seems there seems to be no accountability.
• 43:42
  They get away with it, they get away with it.
• 43:43
  Yes, and and and until they don't, right?
• 43:46
  Until they don't.
• 43:47
  So that's what I'm praying that that will happen.
• 43:49
  I'm I'm praying so is that what happened to Swalwell until he until you don't?
• 43:52
  Because he got away with everything for a long, long time, Swabell.
• 43:55
  Now, here we're talking about his uh uh sexual fantasies or whatever he was doing.
• 44:00
  He's a pervert, obviously.
• 44:02
  Um I mean, he was getting away with it forever, and in all ways, I mean, everything, and and it's not just in the sexual part of it, but like what I'm saying is there, Martha, they're deviants everywhere in life in every aspect.
• 44:16
  It's like they just become uh I don't know.
• 44:21
  It's like you can just tell you can read through those people, and there's a whole lot more of those people up there, uh, like him.
• 44:27
  What so why did why did he come down?
• 44:29
  Why'd he come down so quick?
• 44:30
  Swallow uh because it was because they wanted him to come down, like they had to get rid of him.
• 44:35
  Um, and that's it, because he was sleeping allegedly, you know, he had let's put it this way he was the you know Fang, the Chinese spy, uh, was he was compromised by her, and you know, the interesting thing, and many maybe your your listeners and viewers won't know this, but Fang the Chinese spy had infiltrated local uh officials in in other states prior to getting into the Swalwell world, so this was a known, she was a known spy, she was known to have uh had been successful, and she was allowed to flee the country under after she had apparently had been exposed by about Swalwell, her her her plan, and nothing happened to him.
• 45:21
  Uh not only did nothing happen to Swalwell, he was on the intelligence committee, and Nancy Pelosi wouldn't kick him off.
• 45:28
  Now, Nancy Pelosi created Eric Swalwell.
• 45:31
  She he she loved him, he did anything she wanted him to do.
• 45:34
  That's why she loved him so much.
• 45:36
  And with the California governor election, this is my opinion.
• 45:42
  Somebody didn't want him to get the job, and we may never know why, but within you think they do you think they thought he wouldn't win?
• 45:52
  No, I think they thought he was going to win, or at least he was the lead, they didn't want him to do too well.
• 45:57
  This is my opinion.
• 45:59
  I don't think they wanted him to be the governor of California.
• 46:02
  I think he was told you are not gonna run, and he did it anyway, and then he continued.
• 46:06
  Uh interesting.
• 46:08
  That's my theory.
• 46:10
  I I think because there's no other reason for him to be taken out within a hundred hours to take him out because the accusation came, it's kind of started on the online.
• 46:20
  One girl was talking about how how could he be governor after what he did?
• 46:24
  And then it kind of grew like one after the other.
• 46:27
  And it was a local story in the San Francisco paper or something.
• 46:30
  Yep, yeah.
• 46:31
  And then what like wildfire, boom, done.
• 46:35
  Now, have you ever in your life seen where a uh a politician was accused of something and they just got rid of them right away?
• 46:44
  Like that, I think it happened to George Santos, the Republican, but we've never never ever seen it happen that lightning fast.
• 46:52
  Not as fast with someone like a name like Swalwell, who was so planted in the in the uh political society there.
• 46:58
  I mean, he was planted.
• 47:00
  Oh, he was doing all the things, he was following all the orders.
• 47:02
  He was saying he's gonna bring he's gonna bring all the republicans in, we're gonna wrap wrangle you up, and we're gonna, you know, he was really off the rails, and you don't behave like that unless you're told to behave like that.
• 47:14
  So I think he became, but this is the sad part, right?
• 47:18
  He doesn't get in trouble for for canoodling with a Chinese spy who clearly was probably after he fell asleep or in his office with a hard drive taking everything off his computer.
• 47:28
  Um nothing, right?
• 47:32
  Wow.
• 47:32
  Listen, when now we know they said it was a known fact that he was canoodling all over the place, right?
• 47:40
  With everybody, yeah, and I'm sure many, many other congressmen, congresswomen, you know, there's shenanigans that go on, like a you know, fraternity is sorority in that in those halls, and it's it's and it's almost unavoidable.
• 47:55
  But the ones with the integrity stay with the ones with the integrity, and they don't they don't get involved with the ones that are doing such things, very similar to the entertainment business.
• 48:04
  I have said the entertainment business and politics are very paralleled, right?
• 48:09
  Yeah, uh my one friend calls it high school with money, you know.
• 48:13
  You know, it's high school with money.
• 48:15
  So I don't know why he, but he he's I mean these women and these accusations are very serious.
• 48:25
  But here's the question, right?
• 48:28
  Why did it take so long, right?
• 48:30
  For these women to come forward, fear, intimidation, yeah, threats.
• 48:34
  Sure, but at the same time, there's you there's no question.
• 48:40
  Like, I know somebody who's in the in the government now, high pretty high person.
• 48:45
  Right.
• 48:45
  They said they go through your underwear drawer, they know everything about you when you take these jobs.
• 48:50
  You have to go through all these scrutiny, all everything.
• 48:53
  There's no way that Nancy Pelosi did not know that Eric Swalwell was involved with doing these horrible things.
• 49:00
  Doing these horrible things.
• 49:01
  If he's willing to sleep hang out with, I say whatever, allegedly with the spy.
• 49:01
  If he's willing to sleep hang out with I say whatever, allegedly with the spy, he's what he's doing with these women.
• 49:05
  He's what he's doing with these women.
• 49:08
  Um, and she all she did was said was, I didn't know.
• 49:08
  Um, and all she did was said was, I didn't know.
• 49:12
  Oh, I didn't know.
• 49:12
  Oh, I didn't know.
• 49:12
  Nancy Pelosi knows everything, everything.
• 49:12
  Nancy Pelosi knows everything, everything.
• 49:16
  She's the mothership, right?
• 49:16
  She's the mothership, right?
• 49:17
  Yeah, yeah.
• 49:17
  Yeah, yeah.
• 49:18
  And she created him.
• 49:18
  And she created him.
• 49:19
  She's the godmother, the godmother.
• 49:19
  She's the godmother, the godmother.
• 49:21
  She is.
• 49:21
  She is.
• 49:22
  She is.
• 49:22
  She is.
• 49:22
  She took out Joe Biden and she took out Swell.
• 49:22
  She took out Joe Biden and she took out Swalwell.
• 49:25
  Wasn't he wasn't he giving the ladies some pills and stuff in the drinks?
• 49:25
  Wasn't he, wasn't he giving the ladies some pills and stuff in the drinks?
• 49:28
  Is that what happened?
• 49:28
  Is that what happened?
• 49:29
  Yes, but this is a very serious accusation.
• 49:31
  This this woman came out bravely came out.
• 49:33
  And listen, I I'm an actress.
• 49:35
  I know when someone's telling the truth, she was telling the truth.
• 49:39
  Amen.
• 49:40
  And they said, How did you why didn't you come forward?
• 49:42
  He she said, he's a lawyer, he knows everybody.
• 49:45
  He is he's got contacts.
• 49:47
  He, you know, the the intimidation factor and the fear factor, yeah, was overwhelming for her.
• 49:55
  So at the same time, there has to be some sort of docket.
• 50:00
  I'm sorry, there has to be some sort of, I'm sure many women have reported uh similarities in other whether with him or others, and they're just on record.
• 50:09
  And a lot of these politicians, you know, they just save that, they save it for later.
• 50:12
  I would say you have a folder, you know, you have a binder.
• 50:14
  Yeah, each congressman has a binder, and they're like, Oh, it's time for them to go now.
• 50:18
  So how many more like that are there?
• 50:20
  How many more swallows are there in Congress?
• 50:23
  I don't know.
• 50:23
  I mean, I I've I'll tell you this.
• 50:26
  I will tell you this.
• 50:27
  You know, when we watch television or we go on the internet, we only see like the top handful.
• 50:33
  Uh, they're the speakers for the for the government, right?
• 50:36
  When I walk through the halls of Congress, I've been there many, many times in the Senate.
• 50:40
  There's hundreds of people, there's hundreds of representatives, and we don't know their names, right?
• 50:45
  Like you said, not a high profile people.
• 50:48
  Um, they're they're we'll never know their names.
• 50:52
  And it's it's like those the celebrity, they have the celebrity versions of the you know, politicians.
• 50:58
  Um, and then there's the ones that just kind of push the papers and are under the radar for for whatever reason.
• 51:04
  Uh, but you know, it's uh it it's a it's a I'm sure it's a much broader problem than uh we know.
• 51:13
  I mean, TM T listen, TMZ, because of this, it just has a that now they're in DC.
• 51:18
  TMZ is now has an office, a studio in when did they open that?
• 51:22
  When did they open that?
• 51:23
  Two weeks, three weeks ago.
• 51:24
  Oh my golly, wow.
• 51:26
  That's good news.
• 51:27
  That's uh interesting news.
• 51:29
  Yeah, they're all over it, aren't they, man?
• 51:30
  Uh whether it's a great, but it's good, and I'll tell you why it's good.
• 51:33
  Yeah, because they're not gonna get away with it anymore.
• 51:36
  Because Hollywood has they literally, there's no there's nothing to talk about.
• 51:40
  Well, like you say, there's no difference between you, you're right to compare it.
• 51:43
  Hollywood and DC, the politicians and the uh entertainers.
• 51:47
  The money power, the money, the money, they're all on TV now, they're all you know.
• 51:52
  I I could ask you about uh Schiff.
• 51:54
  What do you think about uh we're the season fall in there?
• 52:00
  Oh boy.
• 52:01
  Um, one of the worst, I think he you know, he lied to the American public about the Russian collusion for years, and it destroyed our country.
• 52:09
  I mean, there was no Russia, Russia, Russia after all.
• 52:12
  There was no nothing.
• 52:13
  Uh and you mean he wasn't being he he wasn't peeing on uh prostitutes in a Moscow uh hotel that didn't happen.
• 52:22
  No, apparently not.
• 52:23
  Um I think we he is you know, up there with there's a couple of them, Goldman and um Raskin and Schiff.
• 52:35
  You know, these guys, you know, again, look at their bank accounts, you know, follow the money.
• 52:40
  That's all I I feel like now.
• 52:41
  Dan Goldman doesn't have doesn't need the money, he's a very wealthy, but he's from New York, you know.
• 52:45
  He's he's trying to be he's trying to get TB time, uh, so he'll say all the other things.
• 52:52
  But Adam Schiff, I think I have a serious problem with any representative who deliberately tries to destroy our country.
• 53:05
  I you work for the constituents of your area.
• 53:09
  You the that's your job.
• 53:10
  You're supposed to take care of your constituents, and that's supposed to be your job.
• 53:16
  So you take a like a congressman Michael Lawler who's fantastic, who is who was who's his like family to me now.
• 53:22
  He was he fought for my husband.
• 53:24
  We'll talk about that another time.
• 53:26
  That man has so much integrity and is a family man, and he loves this country, but you know who he works for?
• 53:32
  His district.
• 53:34
  So he works for a purple district in New York.
• 53:37
  Okay, he's got the Hillary Clinton side, which is Westchester area, and he's got Rockland County with cops, firemen, and first responders.
• 53:44
  Okay.
• 53:44
  So he has to balance that.
• 53:46
  It's not easy, but he'll push back against the president.
• 53:50
  We need more people like that.
• 53:51
  So hey, you know, he's not gonna follow the party line because he doesn't represent the party line, he represents both.
• 53:59
  So it's there's there's Adam Schiff is I I it is people are are you know I'm why she you have to ask yourself why he's still standing, you know.
• 54:11
  They need him, yeah.
• 54:13
  So you need him, yeah.
• 54:14
  I mean, it's just they need him.
• 54:15
  I mean, he he's he's he does exactly what he's told to do.
• 54:19
  Um, you know, again, check check the bank accounts, check their check their donor roles.
• 54:24
  Yeah, they're very wealthy people, very wealthy, yeah.
• 54:26
  All from corrupt how they sleep at night, you would question yourself for sure.
• 54:29
  Uh next time we we do this, or and we we definitely gotta you you wrote you did a piece um you in a program on this a show as well.
• 54:38
  You called it constant chaos, I think.
• 54:41
  Leaning into what tries to destroy us, is that correct?
• 54:44
  Yes, right, yeah.
• 54:46
  And that is, and that's something I want to talk to you a little more about ahead.
• 54:49
  Um you can't do it today, but uh, and I I reframed I put right on top of that uh the words a better world, a better world, you know.
• 54:58
  That was what I took from that.
• 55:00
  Um, and then when you say leaning into what tries to destroy us that that I like what that's this is powerful.
• 55:07
  We gotta we gotta cover that next time because you know because again, I believe that these moments in our life, Martha, that uh these um moments that uh um are challenged, uh challenge in to us, are the moments that we have a chance to shine the best, which is really leaning into it.
• 55:27
  Uh and you can come out the other side in ways that you never thought possible that makes you that much stronger, better, faster, quicker, and more heroic uh in your own uh self body, uh, that you would like if everything was always so wonderful and nothing ever went wrong in your life.
• 55:42
  I don't know who that person is, but if it did, if it did, because life is is like that, it's ups, it's downs, it's everything.
• 55:49
  But uh let's take that on next time um and uh have some fun with that because that's a very interesting topic.
• 55:55
  Um I lived it.
• 55:57
  I lived, I lived, yeah.
• 55:59
  I I had a I had a beautiful, like you said, nothing bad had ever happened to me in my life until something did.
• 56:00
  A beautiful, like you said, nothing bad had ever happened to me in my life until something did.
• 56:04
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 56:04
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 56:05
  No.
• 56:05
  No, and and I understand that.
• 56:06
  And I understand that.
• 56:07
  Uh I really do.
• 56:07
  Uh, I really do.
• 56:08
  Um, and but you lean into it, and that's what I got out of that.
• 56:08
  Um, and but you lean into it, and that's what I got out of that.
• 56:11
  And you you did, and ties into the story of your husband and what you went through, which is uh uh monstrous story, it's just incredible.
• 56:11
  And you you did, and it ties into the story of your husband and what you went through, which is uh a monstrous story, it's just incredible.
• 56:19
  Uh what took place there.
• 56:19
  Uh what took place there.
• 56:20
  And anyways, um uh Martha Byrne.
• 56:20
  And anyways, um, uh Martha Byrne.
• 56:23
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• 56:23
  Now, when you go to the site, friends, uh, AmericaRoutloud.news, please go up to uh authors and host and look her up, B-Y-R-N-E, of course.
• 56:33
  And you'll see her right there, Martha Byrne.
• 56:35
  If you click that, you'll get uh a lot of uh great stuff that she's done, her good footprint of work.
• 56:40
  She's done some amazing work, uh, really and truly covering a whole spectrum of things and having fun with it as well.
• 56:46
  So it's been it's been a joy, Martha, to have you on, and thank you for jumping by Project Out Loud.
• 56:51
  Friends, that's a wrap here.
• 56:52
  Uh, we'll see you back at America Outloud.news.
• 56:55
  And uh, hey, as always, it's time to get involved and get loud, America!