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Why do ghost hunters investigate at night? | DEBUNKING this popular paranormal myth · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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  Do you want my honest hot take? This is like
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  a real hot take and this might be controversial.
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  just dive in. We're myth -busting again. We are
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  that? Is that like trademarked? Possibly? I mean,
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  myth -busters is probably... like trademark so
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  like anything that includes that phrase is probably
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  don't want to be Like, there's a lot of... The
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  debunking community has issues. I don't want
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  to be lumped in. Okay. What part of the debunk
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  Bunkable. Uncle Bunkable. Uncle Bunkable. That
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  was like... This is for the real November fans,
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  because that's like... That's a throwback way
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  from the beginning. I don't even think that episode
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  is still up. That was one of the first three
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  before we really committed and did anything,
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  so we unlisted those. Oh yeah, we did. Definitely.
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  Uncle Bunkable. And no explanation. If you don't
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  know what Uncle Bunkable is, you won't. You won't.
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  Anyways. Yeah, so there's a myth in the paranormal
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  community that ghost hunting has to be done at
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  night. Yeah. Yeah. That's what we're talking
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  about. Awesome! Welcome to our podcast, where
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  we take deep dives looking at various topics
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  through a paranormal lens. Before we get into
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  it, because I went down some Reddit threads,
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  and there's a lot of people asking on Reddit
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  threads, why do ghost hunters only investigate
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  at night? And there are all these ghost hunters
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  and paranormal teams giving answers that we will
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  probably agree with some, disagree with others.
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  Before we get into the alleged reasons why ghost
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  hunting, quote -unquote, must be done at night,
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  first... Do we think, just on a base level, that
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  ghost hunting has to be done at night, or is
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  that a myth? I don't think ghost hunting has
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  to be done at night. Do I feel like we possibly
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  have collected more evidence in the night? Probably,
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  but that's probably just because we've done more
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  investigations at night. But also, we gotta add
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  in the fact that Most places do it at night,
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  so that's when we have to go. And there's a thing
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  about dark that people are naturally somewhat
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  scared of or nervous around when it's pitch black
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  out. And it probably adds to some sort of adrenaline,
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  meaning we are more heightened aware of our surroundings.
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  Yeah. And I was seeing on the Reddit threads,
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  some teams purposefully... want to investigate
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  at night because they want to have heightened
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  emotions heightened feelings of adrenaline and
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  that what we were talking about on our episode
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  about fear like some groups make it their mission
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  their project their destination so to speak to
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  have fear and everything they do is because they
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  believe and they truly believe that the more
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  scared you are and the more likely you are to
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  have experiences now Whether or not that's actually
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  causing more experiences or your brain perceiving
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  your own adrenaline and fear as experiences is
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  a whole other debate that we already had. But
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  point being, there are some teams that chase
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  anything that's... They're the adrenaline seekers,
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  the throw seekers, and they want that and they
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  think that contributes to activity. I don't...
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  Do we... I think we said that we don't really
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  feel that way. I enjoy that part of the Ghost
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  Hunt team, so I like doing it at night. But you
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  don't need to do it at night. I don't necessarily
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  enjoy that part. I do feel like sometimes with
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  your adrenaline heightened, like Angela was saying,
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  it does cause your other senses to be heightened.
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  So I do feel like that does make it more of an
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  interesting investigation. Does it make it better?
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  Debatable. okay but to that point too i'm gonna
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  call a little bit of bullshit on the notion of
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  like taking away one sense heightens all the
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  others because do you get like supersonic uh
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  crazy human subhuman hearing or whatever like
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  are you able to hear evps just because you can't
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  see well no not necessarily we're not saying
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  that it it intensifies your uh senses to the
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  point that you're superhuman but like there is
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  like some being ghost hunters we're superhuman
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  yeah there there is you gotta admit there is
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  like some heightened sense whether it is just
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  adrenaline reaction or like slightly heightened
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  senses there is something there with with the
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  fear and being in the dark and whatever have
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  you Yeah, no, I totally agree with what you're
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  saying. I do agree. I just think it's... It's...
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  I don't... I just don't agree with the whole
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  notion of, like, we're taking away our ability
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  to see because that will heighten everything
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  else. I think it will heighten your own fear
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  and anxiety. It might heighten the other senses
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  to an extent, but not enough for there to be,
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  like, a big notice. Yeah. A noticeable difference.
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  I don't know. Like, yeah. Anyways. Yeah, so,
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  again, so that, is that enough of a reason to
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  investigate at, like, if you were putting out,
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  like, a list of available time slots to do an
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  investigation, I don't know if I would choose.
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  A nighttime one with only variable being a heightened
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  sense of awareness. Just me personally. I don't
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  think that's enough of a reason to change when
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  you investigate. I mean, even with that being
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  said, when we do investigations, even when we
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  do do them at night in the dark, we really don't
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  feel like we have a lot of activity. Even after
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  like 10 o 'clock, 1030 p .m. prime darkness hours
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  like yeah a couple hours after dark maybe we'll
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  still get something but it's I feel like it's
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  right there at dusk or like in the dwindling
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  twilight hours we get the most activity yeah
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  we usually start around seven so like that we
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  we've talked about like the timing where it's
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  usually a couple hours we get a lot of activity
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  then it fades out we tend to see more of a spike
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  in terms of when we start and when we end as
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  opposed to okay We're guaranteed to have activity
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  happen, say, at the witching hour, because that's
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  another thing that people say is, 3 a .m. is
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  the witching hour, midnight, the ghosts come
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  out, the veil is thin. I know we've talked about
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  many times. Oh, yeah. But don't they say that
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  about, like, I don't know if I necessarily believe
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  this, but isn't that kind of, like, a thing?
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  Like, there's something about the dark that brings...
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  spiritual energy just because someone says it
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  doesn't mean it's true yeah i don't know the
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  exact reasoning behind it no but like if that's
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  like an actual thing like i get why you might
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  want to do it at night like i don't know what's
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  up with the dark that will make you flutter more
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  well do you do you want my honest hot take this
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  is like a real hot take and this might be controversial
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  what i think Because it is true, and we can get
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  into this later, paranormal activity happens
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  all the time. It doesn't just happen at night.
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  You go, you know, on a ghost hunt or a ghost
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  tour, even to shows when they interview people.
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  Oh, what did you experience? It's always, oh,
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  I work in this haunted building. Yeah, it's always
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  in the middle of the day. In the middle of the
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  day. Because half these places are open to the
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  public. People work there. They're not. working
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  there at three in the morning yeah so uh and
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  we live you know with our haunted objects and
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  stuff stuff happens during the day everything
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  happens in broad daylight so the whole idea that
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  ghosts only come out at night is crap it's not
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  true my theory is that once paranormal television
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  started and they all started investigating at
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  night Because it is genuinely more entertaining
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  and spookier vibes to do so. That's why all the
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  TV programs investigate at night. The only reason
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  is because it's spookier and it adds ambiance.
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  Like, that's it. I think all these reasons are
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  because paranormal investigators after the big
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  television boom feel like they need to come up
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  with reasons to explain why they ghost hunt at
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  night. because they feel like they can't just
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  come out and say because it's spookier like there's
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  some resistance to admitting that and they need
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  to come up with these weird reasons like oh you
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  know the darkness you know attracts ghosts or
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  like oh we'll get into other reasons that i call
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  pure bullshit on like the heightened activity
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  or the heightened senses one sure i can get behind
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  that a little bit but i feel like it's all a
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  reaction to the ghost hunting boom and a resistance
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  to admit that 95 of the reasons why is literally
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  just because it's spookier vibes like yeah and
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  it's okay to admit that this is my hot take is
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  like all these are just it's it's a what came
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  first chicken or the egg well first television
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  started filming only at night and then all these
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  ghost hunters scramble to come up with these
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  weird reasons to justify it that's just my hot
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  take i think i think that is probably a big part
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  of it absolutely and we see too we do tiktok
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  lives every week and especially when we film
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  them we have we're doing it at night yes because
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  that's when we get engagement like literally
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  if if we got more engagement at 3 p .m we would
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  do them at 3 p .m but 65 of our followers are
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  active between 9 p .m and 1 a .m so we're not
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  even just our followers like everyone is usually
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  more active in the evening when they're not busy
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  doing stuff during the day yes in general too
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  yeah yeah so that's just a baseline we're gonna
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  do a live when the people are everyone's free
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  yeah and then when we're filming we because it's
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  nighttime And we have haunted objects scattered
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  throughout the entire, but you need to light
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  the room so people can see. And even with, like,
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  I have it set to, like, the minimal amount of
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  lighting just to be able to see but still keep
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  it kind of creepy every single live. And we get
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  people saying, can you turn the lights down?
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  It's too bright. Can you turn the lights off?
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  I'm like, yeah, we can if you don't want to see
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  us. Like, what, you want to sit in complete darkness?
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  You're not going to be seeing nothing, people.
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  People genuinely want the spooky vibes. I don't
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  understand why people can't just say, we're going
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  to do this at night because it's a spooky paranormal
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  video and we want it to accurately reflect the
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  vibes because it's hard to portray vibes in a
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  video. If we're feeling creeped out and it's
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  broad... daylight we get creeped out in broad
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  daylight all the time but you're watching a video
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  through a screen you're not feeling what we feel
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  how do you portray that well music and like dim
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  lights tend to go a long way right so i don't
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  understand the people not only want the dim lights
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  and to feel creeped out a little bit while watching
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  it and get in the headspace and feel what we
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  feel but I all the shows do it why why why do
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  you have to make up these reasons to justify
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  why you're doing it at night beyond the simple
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  fact of well that's when people are watching
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  and they like the the dark ambience yeah do you
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  guys have any reason like have you noticed that
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  like there's so it's it's weird it's weird to
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  me I mean is it really all that weird though
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  like I don't know like you're Okay, so there
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  is a big element of what we do, like we were
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  talking about with historic preservation and
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  keeping history alive and stuff. That's very
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  important, right? But at the end of the day,
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  when we are doing a TikTok live, talking to a
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  bunch of haunted dolls on the internet. Bri,
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  are you good? Whoops. I was trying to just keep
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  talking a little bit. What happened? What happened?
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  Daisy got caught on a cord and everything just
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  flew. We saw... Sorry, I couldn't just keep talking.
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  For anyone that is listening, like most of you
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  do, Bree just... Did you fall or did your whole
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  setup fall? No, just my whole setup fell. So,
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  because my headphones are plugged into my microphone,
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  and she pulled on my headphone cord, and my microphone
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  is plugged into my phone, which is my camera,
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  so everything just kind of left the table in
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  the vicinity. Are you good? Yeah. Okay. I mean,
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  I am. Okay, good, good, good, good. Angie, are
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  you good? I'm good. Okay. Why would I not be
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  good? I don't know. I just wanted to make sure.
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  I didn't want you to feel left out. Ben, are
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  you good? Ow. Yeah, I'm good. What was that?
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  Ow. Daisy was clawing at me to get attention
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  because she's being an absolute needy Nancy right
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  now. Oh, the precious baby. Question. Do the
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  dogs get more active at night? I swear they do
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  sometimes. Sometimes. Daisy likes to be a bum
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  and sleep all day. That's Edmore as well. Do
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  you think the ghosts are nocturnal? Could that
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  be a reason why? I feel like that is one of the
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  excuses that people actually tend to use. Why
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  would they be nocturnal? I don't know. Well,
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  also, that doesn't make any sense because if
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  everything's just residual, what does it mean
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  to wake during the day? Well, that's what we
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  believe. I believe everything's residual. The
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  people that say this stuff clearly believe that
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  they're actively communicating with dead people
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  every time they go on an investigation. But anyways,
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  all I was saying before Daisy decided to be a
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  butthole was... I mean, we do a lot of serious
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  stuff, but you also got to acknowledge when things
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  are a little, like, not so serious. Like, when
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  you're talking to haunted dolls on a TikTok live,
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  you're talking to dolls on a TikTok live. It's
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  not that deep. Have fun. Don't be so pretentious
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  about it. You're a ghost hunter on ghost talk,
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  okay? You can turn down the lights for the only
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  reason being. People want to feel creeped out.
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  Oh, it's okay. It's okay. It's not that deep.
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  Yeah. So, but it goes hibernate. Maybe ghosts
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  hibernating could be because like that. What
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  did we say? Ghosts or owls or owls or ghosts?
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  There might be a connection because owls. I don't
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  know that we ever said that owls were ghosts,
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  but they're dweller beings. Okay. Or aliens.
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  Yeah, or aliens. Shit. I shouldn't have mentioned
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  that. I shouldn't have brought that up because
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  everyone at this point is like, yeah, these people
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  are really grounded and skeptical. And now they're
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  like, why should we listen to these people? They
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  think owls are aliens. I mean, I don't. I'm sorry.
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  We did a whole episode on owls. What episode
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  was the owl one? I don't know. That was, like,
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  last year, I feel like. Yeah, it was one of our
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  first, like, definitely in our first few. 11,
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  it was 11. It was 11? Yeah. That far ago? My
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  gosh. Yeah. Maybe we should do a part two on
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  owls. Or maybe we should just go down the list
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  of all birds. And everything that flies. Let's
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  do robins next. Robins? The state bird. Is there,
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  wait, that's Michigan's bird, right? Yeah, I
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  said the state bird. It's actually a lot of states'
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  birds. Is it? Yeah. I wouldn't know. I don't
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  live in other states. I don't need to know their
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  state blah blah blahs. State blah blah blahs.
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  Is there lore behind our state blah blah blah?
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  I don't know. We'll have to loop around to this.
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  If there is lore, we will do a Robin episode.
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  I know Angela really has been wanting another
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  stupid bird topic um anyways not really not really
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  uh going down the list uh more let's get back
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  on track here uh we're losing people with the
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  bird talk um reasons people investigate at night
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  a big thing that you see that i'm calling absolute
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  bullshit on right right now is that people investigate
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  at night Because ghosts can only be caught on
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  infrared cameras. No. That's a big one, you know
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  it is. But we have caught ghosts on non -infrared
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  cameras. Or at least shadows. Or, like, shadow
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  figures. So... that's ridiculous you it people
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  say all the time well and this is their words
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  well maybe the reason i'm not seeing a ghost
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  here is because they can't be seen in this so
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  so visible light spectrum so we must use infrared
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  what's more impressive and what tell like if
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  for any piece of evidence what are you going
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  to be more impressed by seeing a shadow figure
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  or ghost or whatever on an infrared camera at
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  night or a solid black mass or a mist or something
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  that's not supposed to be there during the day.
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  Right, especially since when you have infrared
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  cameras, I mean, so there's all the time on like
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  the doorbell cameras, like ring cameras or whatever.
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  You got the light, infrared light right there
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  in the camera so close to the lens. So you get
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  all the bugs, the spider webs, the hair that
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  really, you know, people say. Anything, yeah.
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  The outside. It's just light reflection. Elements,
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  elements in the air, dust particles, anything.
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  can create anomalies so any artifact or anomaly
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  captured on an infrared camera or an ultraviolet
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  camera i throw it out instantly because it's
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  literally just something on the lens or close
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  to the lens and all these people they say oh
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  well it's how can you be sure it's filming in
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  a spectrum of light we can't see with our own
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  visible uh light spectrum eyes you know we we've
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  seen the visible light spectrum this is outside
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  of that realm therefore it's catching ghosts
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  that is bullshit if you are filming at night
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  in the dark it's very hard to light the scene
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  if you want to film in complete darkness you
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  need to use an infrared camera so that's why
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  the tv shows started using infrared cameras and
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  you know even shows like naked and afraid you
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  know all these like other outdoor at night type
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  of shows like that's the thing that you use in
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  an example naked and afraid well you like so
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  the guy that films um expedition x and stuff
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  he also films naked and afraid like he's the
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  director of photography oh i forgot about that
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  yeah yeah so so that's a good comparison because
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  like they're both outdoors at night use use the
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  same camera rigs they're not using the infrared
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  camera to find ghosts they're filming it for
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  a logistical reason but then all these people
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  who are using infrared cameras now are trying
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  to justify that reason by saying that like they
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  can capture ghosts with it which is i don't Like,
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  that's just the epitome of what I'm saying of,
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  like, you're using something for a legitimate
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  reason because you're doing it at night and now
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  you're trying to just retroactively, like, explain
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  it. Like, I don't get it. But also, to be fair,
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  I feel like the people who make these claims
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  and think they're right about it are also the
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  people who think they're right about everything
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  with ghost hunting and that they're experts and...
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  Yeah. know everything i really don't i think
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  the thing that people really don't un like realize
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  and understand that infrared it's not like yeah
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  it's a it's a spectrum of light but it is using
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  an actual light source that we can't see with
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  our own eyes so we are essentially shining a
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  flashlight so the light is hitting these objects
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  dust particles like bugs whatever you have it
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  and it is reflecting that light back we can't
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  see it with our eyes but the camera can see it
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  and it's creating these anomalies so i feel like
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  just a lot of people don't understand that that
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  is what infrared is it is an actual light and
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  taking it a step further people don't really
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  know the cameras they use in general like our
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  a lot of the consumer grade thermal cameras our
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  old thermal camera not the one we have now but
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  the old one it captures surface temperature so
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  you're not gonna catch a ghost in the air like
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  a good example it's like it's not gonna catch
• 24:09
  your if you breathe it's not gonna capture your
• 24:12
  breath it will capture the warmth on an object
• 24:16
  if you breathe on it you know the warm air yeah
• 24:19
  so it's capturing surface temperature so it's
• 24:22
  the same thing it's like you're not gonna we
• 24:24
  use thermal cameras to like especially if we're
• 24:27
  out in the open to see animals like all that
• 24:30
  stuff you know for practical reasons You're not
• 24:33
  going to catch a ghost on a thermal camera that
• 24:36
  captures surface temperature, just like when
• 24:37
  you have a thermal gun and you point it at an
• 24:40
  object. What happens if the ghost puts its hands
• 24:43
  on a surface and it changes its temperature?
• 24:46
  That's different. It's still changing surface
• 24:47
  temperature. But you're not going to see the
• 24:49
  hand. I'm not saying it's useless. You can capture
• 24:56
  paranormal activity using an infrared camera.
• 24:59
  I'm not saying they're useless. I'm saying you're
• 25:01
  not capturing... ghosts with like the reason
• 25:04
  you're using them isn't because you're capturing
• 25:07
  anomalies and apparitions yeah and we film everything
• 25:11
  not we to clarify i should i should restate that
• 25:15
  in a way that makes more sense we don't film
• 25:17
  in infrared we we very rarely i mean we'll set
• 25:21
  up like very rarely we'll set up like a static
• 25:24
  camera you know but we don't use it as like the
• 25:26
  primary we'll like leave it in the basement filming
• 25:29
  all night type of thing But very rarely when
• 25:35
  our night vision camera is, in fact, working.
• 25:40
  Yeah, I mean, a lot of the, especially now on
• 25:44
  Teemu, a lot of people buy the Teemu ones, which
• 25:46
  are even worse with the shitty battery life and
• 25:49
  stuff. Yeah, well, mine is, like, was the cheapest.
• 25:55
  Yeah, was the cheapest night vision camera you
• 25:58
  could buy on Amazon. I don't even think it's
• 26:01
  available anymore. I think I got it for $20.
• 26:04
  If that. That's not a bad deal. No. But it corrupts
• 26:09
  SD cards constantly. Oh, shit. Never mind. That
• 26:12
  sucks. That's not a good deal. Not a good deal.
• 26:14
  The amount of SD cards I've gone through because
• 26:17
  it's just corrupted them. And you've said it
• 26:22
  only films like five minute intervals too. And
• 26:25
  no, so that's, that's my full spectrum. Okay.
• 26:27
  That's the other one. My full spectrum camera
• 26:29
  is good. It doesn't pick up infrared light. Well,
• 26:34
  like you have like the night vision cameras,
• 26:37
  this like the stock night vision cameras that
• 26:39
  you get from literally anywhere that have the
• 26:42
  infrared built into them can pick up a decent
• 26:46
  amount. My full spectrum camera. It doesn't have
• 26:50
  the infrared light built into it. You have to
• 26:53
  have a separate infrared. Yeah. And it's not
• 26:56
  that great. It's not that great. Like it works
• 26:59
  better when you also have like an external light
• 27:02
  source. Well, external light sources actually
• 27:05
  aren't bad because that's a good way to eliminate.
• 27:09
  Because when we film with your full spectrum,
• 27:11
  we don't catch. orbs and anomalies all the time
• 27:14
  because we have that external light which helps
• 27:16
  minimize that but it does only film in 10 minute
• 27:19
  intervals which i don't know why and i can't
• 27:23
  fix it and i don't it's not i don't think it's
• 27:26
  a camera model light you can even get anymore
• 27:28
  it was like way back in the day when i first
• 27:31
  started doing ghost hunting and that was like
• 27:33
  the cheapest camera you could buy on ghoststop
• 27:35
  .com that was like 10 years ago yeah that was
• 27:40
  pre -teemu We got the shitty cameras that were
• 27:46
  made here in America before Teemu. Now everyone
• 27:50
  has the shitty Teemu cameras and they're all
• 27:52
  proud of it. But we have pre -Teemu shitty infrared
• 27:56
  cameras. We should get a Teemu camera sometime.
• 27:59
  I'd be curious. It wouldn't be any better, but
• 28:02
  it also probably wouldn't be any worse. Keep
• 28:07
  it locked in the haunted basement all night while
• 28:09
  we film. I don't know with how long I've had
• 28:14
  that full -spectrum camera that I've ever caught
• 28:16
  anything on it. Well, we did at the State House.
• 28:19
  We caught the shadow passing by the external
• 28:22
  light. Remember that? We did get it with that.
• 28:25
  Oh, yeah. That was with my full -spectrum camera.
• 28:28
  And that's in our short film, Beware the Haunted
• 28:30
  Bathtubs on Paraflix. But again, that has nothing
• 28:34
  to do with the infrared camera because that's...
• 28:36
  You had the external light set up, and something
• 28:38
  passed by the light. No, because it did block
• 28:41
  out the infrared. Oh, yes, because we had two
• 28:47
  cameras going. So on one of them, it blocked
• 28:49
  out. And then on the night vision camera, it
• 28:54
  lit up more because it was reflecting off of
• 29:00
  something that we couldn't see. So that might
• 29:03
  actually be weirder than... Yeah, because I'm
• 29:05
  remembering now. So there were two cameras set
• 29:07
  up, and you had the external light in the frame.
• 29:10
  Something blocked out the external light, and
• 29:13
  you could see it cast a shadow underneath. Yeah.
• 29:16
  And then you flip to the other perspective of
• 29:18
  the camera that's filming that you had, because
• 29:21
  we had a wide angle on the actual infrared camera.
• 29:24
  That's why you could see the infrared light externally
• 29:26
  set up. On that camera... you could see it illuminate
• 29:31
  as if something passed by really close to it.
• 29:33
  So that might actually have been... Because if
• 29:37
  that was something on the lens or close to the
• 29:39
  lens of the small camera, it wouldn't have blocked
• 29:41
  out or been caught on the wide angle. Yeah. So
• 29:46
  that could have actually been something. And
• 29:48
  it casts a shadow. So on that wide angle, what
• 29:53
  I'm saying still stands. On the wide angle, it
• 29:56
  doesn't matter what, you know... what spectrum
• 29:59
  of light you were filming in, all you saw was
• 30:02
  something blocking out the infrared light and
• 30:05
  then the shadow being cast on the ground. On
• 30:08
  the infrared camera, actually, the infrared might
• 30:12
  have hindered your ability to see it because
• 30:14
  it was so close and overexposed because of that
• 30:19
  camera's internal light that maybe if you were
• 30:22
  just filming normally during the daylight, it
• 30:24
  wouldn't have been so overexposed and you could
• 30:26
  have gotten a good look at it. Just a thought.
• 30:31
  Yeah. What? Now you got popcorn out? What are
• 30:33
  you doing? My mom handed me popcorn and now Yo
• 30:36
  -Kai is wanting popcorn. I just started laughing
• 30:37
  because I just see... Is it Sushi or Yo -Kai?
• 30:41
  It's Yo -Kai. No one knows what you're talking
• 30:44
  about. Is that Sushi? I was looking at you, looking
• 30:47
  for popcorn. It was just so cute. Yep. Sushi
• 30:53
  and Yo -Kai are my cats. Yes. Okay. Glad everyone
• 30:58
  knows. So you're not eating sushi. You're just
• 31:01
  being fired by sushi while eating popcorn. No,
• 31:05
  this is yokai. Yokai, okay. Everyone listening,
• 31:11
  there's cute cat content on the YouTube version.
• 31:15
  Getting back on track. So, nighttime investigations
• 31:19
  are not a necessity. We should also... point
• 31:26
  out too going back we said at the top that a
• 31:29
  lot of these places are only open or offer investigations
• 31:32
  at night that's a very logistical and practical
• 31:35
  reason if you run a business from nine to five
• 31:39
  and a couple ghost hunting clowns want to come
• 31:42
  in and look for ghosts it's going to be after
• 31:45
  5 p .m and typically during the night places
• 31:50
  only do it at night No, not all places. Stimson
• 31:54
  Hospital also does it during the day, too. A
• 31:57
  lot of places do. And the first time that I went
• 32:00
  to Stimson and helped with a daytime tour investigation,
• 32:04
  the people who were there got a lot of activity.
• 32:08
  We've gotten so much activity during Stimson
• 32:11
  Hospital. And we'll be back, actually, in October
• 32:12
  for the Blood Moon Parafest. And I can't wait
• 32:15
  for that. Typically, when you have a lot of...
• 32:19
  paranormal like -minded people in the same place
• 32:21
  doesn't matter what time of day it is i know
• 32:24
  last year at the blood moon parafest um someone
• 32:28
  that was actually born at simpson hospital wandered
• 32:31
  into the building first time being there since
• 32:34
  she was born there and we captured in broad daylight
• 32:36
  10 in the morning with this woman evps so yeah
• 32:41
  it's so cool it's wild I mean, and just speaking
• 32:46
  of recent investigations, we went to Tall Man
• 32:49
  Cemetery up in Sheboygan. Was it technically
• 32:54
  in Sheboygan still? I think it was one of those
• 32:56
  things that's like on the county line, so people
• 32:59
  are going to get very angry. Yeah, it was more
• 33:00
  inland, Sheboygan. Anyways, it doesn't really
• 33:03
  matter. No, it does matter because people on
• 33:05
  Facebook get really angry. Sheboygan area. We're
• 33:07
  going to tag it as Sheboygan. We were in Sheboygan,
• 33:11
  so... It was close enough to get to from Sheboygan.
• 33:15
  It's like this tiny unincorporated village, I
• 33:18
  think, like on the edge. And this tiny cemetery.
• 33:22
  Tiny, tiny cemetery. That we tried to find at
• 33:26
  night and failed finding. It doesn't even count
• 33:27
  as a cemetery. I think it's a burial. Just a
• 33:31
  burial grounds? I think it is. I don't think
• 33:33
  it counts as a graveyard or a cemetery. There
• 33:37
  is a difference. Well, I don't know because there's
• 33:39
  a lot of clearly unmarked graves. There's no
• 33:41
  headstones. There's just a bunch of little crosses
• 33:44
  and the name of the cemetery is on the back,
• 33:46
  like literally spelled out in sticks, like spelled
• 33:49
  with sticks formed to make letters bolted into
• 33:52
  a tree. Let me clarify the differences. Because
• 33:57
  there's not a lot of people who know this. Graveyards
• 34:00
  are connected to churches or a place of worship
• 34:04
  specifically. Okay, so this is not a graveyard.
• 34:07
  Not a graveyard. Cemeteries are places that people
• 34:11
  can go to and walk around. It's kind of viewed
• 34:13
  as a park. It's viewed as like a garden. Kind
• 34:17
  of like, you know, like a park. You can walk
• 34:20
  around and enjoy the nature and all that stuff.
• 34:25
  It's not really that. It's too small for that
• 34:28
  and it's not kept up. Burial grounds are just
• 34:30
  a place that people are buried at. So I would
• 34:33
  view that more as a burial ground than a cemetery
• 34:36
  or obviously not a graveyard. Yeah. Okay. So
• 34:41
  it's the Tall Man Cemetery Asterix Burial Ground.
• 34:45
  But anyways, going back to the story. Angela
• 34:51
  got so serious. She's like, hold on. Which we
• 34:54
  appreciate the education. It's good. This is
• 34:57
  our myth busting episode. You got to bust a myth.
• 35:00
  It's not actually a cemetery. Uncommon episode.
• 35:01
  Yeah. We caught EVPs broad daylight. What time
• 35:09
  of day was it? It was like, what, 2 p .m. in
• 35:12
  the afternoon? I don't even know if it was that.
• 35:15
  Actually, it probably was. Maybe 1 -ish. Yeah,
• 35:18
  1, 2 o 'clock. Yeah. And we caught clear EVPs
• 35:23
  responding to our questions. I mean, we were
• 35:27
  going to try to investigate there during night,
• 35:29
  but we got lost. Well, it's so hard to see. It's
• 35:32
  like up a hill, surrounded by trees, overgrown.
• 35:36
  On a seasonal road. On a seasonal road you can't
• 35:38
  drive over. You should not take an off -road
• 35:40
  car, like a car that's not meant for off -road.
• 35:43
  Don't take a Honda Civic on that road. Don't
• 35:45
  take a Honda Civic on that road. Or any small
• 35:48
  car. Make sure it is a back -roading vehicle.
• 35:51
  Yeah, that was a big no. And we survived. We
• 35:54
  survived. We survived. but at what cost um i
• 35:58
  don't know i mean we survived we made it out
• 36:02
  yeah there's a there's another um dimension out
• 36:05
  there that we got stuck and had to stay overnight
• 36:08
  and we try to walk our way through but we got
• 36:10
  we got attacked by a black bear and we died so
• 36:14
  there's another universe out there where we died
• 36:16
  but we're i don't think we would have gotten
• 36:18
  attacked by a black bear you never know you never
• 36:21
  know okay there's there's bears up there Hey,
• 36:24
  but you have me, who's like, you know, Northern
• 36:27
  Michigan native and knows how to deal with black
• 36:30
  bears. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. I'm amending
• 36:34
  our little, our solo challenge, you know, episode
• 36:40
  55, you guys. If 400 people listen to it by the
• 36:43
  end of the month, we will make our... most scary
• 36:46
  fuck this solo ghost hunt challenge of reality,
• 36:50
  okay? You're not putting a black bear in the
• 36:52
  cell. That's what I was going to say. In episode
• 36:54
  55, we plotted out what our scariest ghost hunt
• 36:58
  would look like, and if 400 people listen to
• 37:00
  it, we will make it a reality. We did not include
• 37:02
  a black bear. We are going to amend that right
• 37:05
  now. No. Episode 55. I would like to see you
• 37:09
  pay to get a black bear. No, we're not putting
• 37:12
  no black bear in the cell with us. So you, so
• 37:14
  yeah, I'm calling bullshit. Okay, I feel like,
• 37:16
  I feel like this comes, I feel like this comes
• 37:19
  to the point of, like, the same reason as to
• 37:21
  why we couldn't have a candle in the jail cell,
• 37:24
  because it probably wouldn't be allowed by the
• 37:27
  property owners. I'm sure they would not - There's
• 37:29
  no way! They have a rule saying no black bears
• 37:31
  in the house. I'm sure they wouldn't allow a
• 37:33
  black bear inside a - jail cell they're inside
• 37:38
  their property in a jail oh yeah if you haven't
• 37:40
  listened to episode 55 it involves you you should
• 37:43
  just go listen to it this is the last like explaining
• 37:46
  about it because we need 400 people to listen
• 37:48
  to it if you want this to actually happen but
• 37:50
  anyways um it involves being stranded in a haunted
• 37:54
  abandoned old prison locked in a jail cell with
• 37:58
  a bat that poops on your head at midnight um
• 38:01
  you're saying you're saying you can't handle
• 38:05
  a black bear in there i'm not saying that i couldn't
• 38:08
  i'm just saying that it is unlikely that we could
• 38:13
  get that to happen and i also don't think we
• 38:16
  should because that's just stupidity but you're
• 38:21
  northern michigan you know you know you just
• 38:23
  i'm from northern michigan meaning i do know
• 38:26
  how to deal with black bears that doesn't mean
• 38:28
  i'm actively gonna put myself in a situation
• 38:31
  where i need to deal with one Well, right now
• 38:36
  you're not going to because you don't have 400
• 38:37
  listens on that episode. But if we get to 400
• 38:40
  listens... Don't... This is what I'm talking...
• 38:45
  There's people that say infrared cameras catch
• 38:48
  ghosts. And then there's people that say they're
• 38:50
  from northern Michigan so they can take on a
• 38:51
  black bear. I... I didn't say I could take on
• 38:55
  a black bear. I said I know how to deal with
• 38:57
  a black bear. Those are two different things.
• 39:00
  Do you believe if you just stand still, they
• 39:02
  won't attack you? Is that what you're going to
• 39:04
  say? I mean, that is the first plan of action.
• 39:10
  Have you seen Cocaine Bear? Okay, not every bear
• 39:14
  is amped up on cocaine, Ben. It was a good movie.
• 39:21
  Have you seen it? No, I haven't seen it. Cocaine
• 39:25
  Bear, that's a classic at this point. It's hilarious.
• 39:29
  They should make a Cocaine Raccoon movie. That
• 39:33
  would be scarier. I'd rather actually have a
• 39:36
  black bear in a cell than a raccoon. Same. I
• 39:40
  like raccoons. You have never heard of the horror
• 39:47
  stories of people taking on raccoons as a pet
• 39:51
  and then they rip off their baby's faces in the
• 39:53
  middle of the night in their cribs? Yes, I have.
• 39:57
  Any other thoughts? Because we're straying from
• 40:02
  this topic, so let's just end it. No one wants
• 40:06
  to listen to this. I was going to say end it
• 40:08
  while we're still ahead, but we're definitely
• 40:10
  not. We're way off track. We kind of said what
• 40:15
  we needed to say and now we're steering around
• 40:19
  the bush. We're lost on the back roads. Yes.
• 40:25
  Have you guys heard any other myths about why
• 40:28
  people investigate at night? Can I look up just
• 40:34
  for fun? Ask ChatGPT and see what they have to
• 40:39
  say. I'm curious. Yes, sure, ask AI. Boo! Oh,
• 40:46
  this... While she was looking that up, I did
• 40:50
  see something in the Reddit thread that's actually
• 40:52
  kind of like a sixth sense type of depressing
• 40:54
  thought of someone said that the ghosts might
• 40:59
  have ghost jobs and work during the day, so they're
• 41:03
  only available at night because that's when they
• 41:04
  get home from work. That would be so sad. So
• 41:11
  ghosts take their ghost cars to ghost work during
• 41:15
  the day and then use their ghost cars to come
• 41:19
  back and haunt their houses at night. Okay, I
• 41:24
  got a list. Seems like there should be more ghost
• 41:26
  cars then. Isn't that a thing? On one of the
• 41:29
  episodes of Supernatural, there was a ghost truck.
• 41:32
  Let's do that in a future episode. Yeah, future
• 41:35
  episode of Ghost Cars. Yeah. Ghost cars. Okay,
• 41:40
  let me see. This is the list. Oh my god. Okay.
• 41:44
  What does AI say? It's quieter. Fewer people
• 41:50
  around. Less environmental noises. I guess all
• 41:55
  of those are valid. Yeah. Darkness creates a
• 41:58
  controlled environment. Historical reports happen
• 42:03
  at night. Not necessarily. We call bullshit on
• 42:07
  that one. The silence and the quiet one, I can
• 42:10
  get behind that, but also if you're in a controlled
• 42:13
  environment, that only makes sense if you're
• 42:16
  outside or on a busy road. If you're in a controlled
• 42:18
  room, it doesn't matter. Even if you're on a
• 42:21
  busy road, just because it's night doesn't mean
• 42:24
  it's not going to be busy. That's so true. Witnesses
• 42:28
  report seeing apparitions at night. But we also
• 42:33
  said that Not necessarily true. Because most
• 42:37
  people who see apparitions, when you hear stories
• 42:39
  about them, it's usually only during the day.
• 42:43
  I mean, it can happen at any point. Yes, but
• 42:46
  you hear a lot of people who are just like working
• 42:48
  around at the location or whatever, they see
• 42:51
  this stuff during the day. Yeah. People associate
• 42:56
  nighttime with paranormal activity, obviously.
• 43:00
  That's the main reason. Yeah. They just don't
• 43:04
  want to admit that. Some people believe spirits
• 43:06
  are more active at night. That's an opinion.
• 43:10
  Yeah, we debunked that as an objective fact.
• 43:13
  Oh, this one's interesting. Less electromagnetic
• 43:18
  interferences from nearby activity. That's not
• 43:23
  how it works. Yeah, I was like, that doesn't
• 43:25
  make any sense. I mean, if you don't know things
• 43:30
  about electromagnetic... like, magnetivity, then
• 43:34
  I feel like that is something that someone would
• 43:36
  say. I'm just picturing someone holding an EMF
• 43:39
  meter to their microwave or their refrigerator
• 43:41
  that's actively running and being like, my refrigerator
• 43:46
  shouldn't be emitting EMF. It's past 10 o 'clock.
• 43:50
  But Billy, it's still on. Is your refrigerator
• 43:54
  running? Well, you better go catch it. Again,
• 44:04
  this one doesn't make any sense. Animals behave
• 44:07
  differently at night. How do animals affect ghost
• 44:11
  hunting at night? As a joke, I said maybe all
• 44:14
  ghosts are like, you know, Daisy or Sushi. They're
• 44:18
  just more restless at night, but that was a joke.
• 44:21
  That's not how it actually works. It says investigators
• 44:23
  may be able to observe nocturnal wildlife that
• 44:27
  could potentially explain unusual noises or movements.
• 44:32
  Okay, I see where they're coming from. Yeah,
• 44:35
  I guess. But, like, that only really affects
• 44:39
  you if you're doing outdoor investigations. Yeah.
• 44:43
  Yeah, but that's not a reason to investigate.
• 44:46
  It's, oh, there's a weird shrieking at night.
• 44:48
  Let me go at night and see if there's an owl.
• 44:51
  But if the report is hearing strange shrieking
• 44:54
  at 12 o 'clock in the afternoon, you're not going
• 44:57
  to go at night to see if there's an owl. Yeah.
• 45:00
  You're going to be like, oh, what person, individual
• 45:03
  is shrieking during the day? Like, whose child
• 45:08
  is that? I'd be more interested in that. If I
• 45:11
  hear someone shrieking in the middle of the night,
• 45:13
  I'm just going to be like, okay, we're taking
• 45:15
  a detour. Let's go investigate this now. Yeah.
• 45:19
  But during night, there's so many creatures that
• 45:22
  make shrieking or screaming noises at night.
• 45:25
  Remember I did a whole presentation on it in
• 45:27
  college? MSCPS and talked about screaming forests
• 45:33
  and the myths behind screaming forests and why
• 45:35
  so many people think forests are haunted because
• 45:39
  they hear screams at night. And I went over all
• 45:42
  the different animals that actually make those
• 45:44
  sounds. What does this mean? Nighttime recreates
• 45:48
  the witness experience. What does that mean?
• 45:54
  Like recreating the circumstances in which someone
• 45:57
  saw Something at night? Possibly. Okay, sure.
• 46:00
  If someone says, I saw someone standing in a
• 46:03
  hallway at 2 a .m., investigating at 2 a .m.
• 46:06
  allows investigators to experience the same environmental
• 46:09
  conditions. Yeah, that's a specific example,
• 46:12
  but it's not like a broad strip. Yeah, that's
• 46:13
  specific. Yeah. And then temperature changes.
• 46:18
  Temperature can change significantly after sunset,
• 46:22
  which can be relevant when investigating. Reported
• 46:26
  cold spots or environmental anomalies. So it's
• 46:32
  better to catch cold spots when the temperature
• 46:34
  drops? What? I don't get that one. That reminds
• 46:42
  me of something I saw on the Reddit thread saying
• 46:44
  shadow figures are easier to see in the dark.
• 46:49
  And I'm like, how does that work? Shadow figures
• 46:54
  are easier to see in the day. When there's light,
• 47:00
  everything is shadow. It's just creepier during
• 47:05
  the night because it's already dark and you're
• 47:07
  seeing a shadow that's darker than dark. On one
• 47:12
  hand, it's more impressive to see a shadow in
• 47:14
  pitch black when there's no light to cast a shadow,
• 47:16
  but also it's not easier to see shadow figures.
• 47:21
  I can say that I have never seen a shadow at
• 47:24
  night. The only shadow figures I've ever seen
• 47:28
  have been during the day. When there's light
• 47:30
  to actually cast a shadow. Yeah. Which is how
• 47:35
  it works. It wasn't shadows, it was like a solid
• 47:39
  black mass. So I don't know if you can consider
• 47:41
  them. We did a whole episode on this. Go listen
• 47:46
  to that episode. It's too late to over -explain
• 47:50
  things. We're going way too long on this episode.
• 47:54
  We had a hot streak of 20 -minute, 30 -minute
• 47:58
  episodes that just totally broke that. So I guess
• 48:01
  yay for the people that listened. Go listen to
• 48:04
  episode 55. If you're still here. Yeah, if you're
• 48:12
  still here. Wait, should we just copy and paste
• 48:16
  episode 55 onto the end of this one? So if they
• 48:18
  made it this far, they just can listen to 55
• 48:22
  and we can count that as a listen? No, you can't
• 48:25
  count that as a listen. We're going to find out.
• 48:29
  Alright, copy and paste in 3, 2, 1. Creepy. Coming
• 48:34
  up. I think that was Angela getting the chills.
• 48:37
  Did you just take a shot? Or was she taking a
• 48:40
  shot? We just, why? Angela! This episode is scaring
• 48:48
  Angela so bad, she just took a shot. You know,
• 48:52
  we do a lot of talking about how one time at
• 48:57
  a house in Indiana, we handcuffed Brianna to
• 49:01
  a bathtub. And handcuffed Angela to a portal
• 49:04
  closet. I mean, we did turn the experience into
• 49:07
  a short film called Beware the Haunted Bat Tubs,
• 49:09
  which is a very serious look at residual energy
• 49:13
  containment vessels across America. But that's
• 49:16
  a side note. We do a lot of talking about that
• 49:19
  one instance because everyone still to this day
• 49:21
  comments on the TikToks and the short film we
• 49:24
  made. Is she okay? Why is she handcuffed? Should
• 49:26
  I call 911? And it's like... perfectly normal
• 49:30
  yes absolutely normal yeah we were doing a solo
• 49:34
  ghost hunt and decided to uh handcuff our friend
• 49:38
  to a bathtub that's a portal to another dimension
• 49:41
  that's very normal don't ask any follow -up questions
• 49:44
  please don't contact the police totally normal
• 49:47
  uh made me wonder though because in the previous
• 49:52
  episode too angela was saying how like a terrifying
• 49:55
  instance would be to do that handcuffing but,
• 49:58
  like, at a big, massive, like, haunted abandoned
• 50:00
  prison and, like, handcuffed to, like, an entire
• 50:03
  cell block or whatever and have people, like,
• 50:05
  role -playing guards and make it really realistic.
• 50:08
  Yeah. But would that actually be the worst -case
• 50:13
  scenario? Like, you know all those things where
• 50:16
  people are like, craft, make your poison, like,
• 50:20
  craft a dangerous cocktail that will fuck you
• 50:23
  up, right? We're going to do that tonight. What
• 50:26
  is the recipe for the most dangerous, fuck you
• 50:31
  up, solo investigation cocktail that will actually
• 50:35
  give you one of the elusive, always talked about,
• 50:39
  but we've never experienced, paranormal hangovers?
• 50:43
  Oh, God. Welcome to our podcast, where we take
• 50:46
  deep dives looking at various topics through
• 50:48
  a paranormal lens. This whole handcuffing thing.
• 50:53
  to haunted bathtubs then we made a short film
• 50:56
  about yeah that everyone says call 9 -1 -1 this
• 51:00
  is crazy what are you doing is that the worst
• 51:03
  case scenario is there anything worse than being
• 51:06
  left in a place by yourself handcuffed to a portal
• 51:10
  that i can definitely think of a lot more you
• 51:13
  can and we're not discussing this so that the
• 51:16
  other people can take notes right but by the
• 51:18
  end of this we should all have an idea on what
• 51:21
  are most feared possible outcome of a solo investigation
• 51:26
  challenge would be mine is just being solo that's
• 51:33
  it i don't like being doing solos on investigations
• 51:36
  you know i'm also not a big fan of solos but
• 51:40
  i feel like at this point i've done i've i've
• 51:43
  done some pretty scary solos you've done enough
• 51:46
  where like i feel like you can you can be used
• 51:49
  to it and like Oh, no. No? No, no, no, no, no,
• 51:55
  no. There's no ever getting used to doing a solo.
• 51:59
  Literally the scariest one I ever did wasn't
• 52:02
  the handcuffed one. It was the solo blindfolded
• 52:07
  Estes method in the basement of Madison Seminary.
• 52:13
  That was terrifying. That was terrifying. Not
• 52:16
  terrifying for us, but terrifying for you. Especially
• 52:18
  since we went back in the footage and you had
• 52:21
  no idea because you were blindfolded in the dark
• 52:24
  basement. There was a bat circling her head the
• 52:27
  whole time. Terrifying footage. Terrifying footage.
• 52:31
  Also just terrifying in general. You volunteered.
• 52:35
  Also more terrifying is that I came up with the
• 52:38
  idea and volunteered to do it. I always put myself
• 52:43
  in those circumstances, and I don't know why.
• 52:45
  Well, I know it plays into this theme, right?
• 52:47
  What's worse, like the worst case scenario type
• 52:50
  of thing? Because anytime we propose a scary
• 52:54
  idea, instead of Bree saying, that's scary, she
• 52:59
  instead proposes something mildly less scary
• 53:02
  for her to do alone. while we do the even scarier
• 53:07
  thing. And then afterwards realizes, maybe what
• 53:10
  I did was more scary. Am I, like, wrong in that?
• 53:14
  Because every time we say, we're gonna do a,
• 53:18
  you know, occult -y ritual type of thing, you're
• 53:20
  like, I'm gonna do a solo, I'm gonna be blindfolded
• 53:23
  in the basement, and get shit on by a bat. I
• 53:28
  didn't get shit on by a bat, FYI. It's been so
• 53:32
  funny. Okay, Brianna, though. You're like, what
• 53:34
  is the ectoplasmic substance on? Yeah, it meant,
• 53:37
  like, what would you have thought if you were
• 53:40
  just doing the Estes method, and you felt something
• 53:43
  fall on you? I would have flipped shit. I would
• 53:47
  have been like, oh my god, something just touched
• 53:49
  me. And then, you know, probably would have ran
• 53:52
  out of there, tripped myself, probably broken
• 53:56
  a few things, and then got into the light and
• 53:59
  realized, oh, that's literally just shit. So
• 54:05
  Brianna's solo investigation cocktail would include
• 54:09
  bat shit. Maybe. Damn, you're bat shit. I am
• 54:17
  bat shit. I couldn't tell. It kind of glitched
• 54:22
  there. Did you say I'm bad shit or I'm bat shit?
• 54:26
  Yes. Beware of Brie, guys. She's some bad shit.
• 54:33
  I don't know if that's a good thing or not. The
• 54:36
  short film, we should re -release Beware the
• 54:38
  Haunted Bathtubs as Beware the Bad Shit Haunted
• 54:41
  Bathtubs. Beware the Bad Shit Bathtubs. There.
• 54:48
  Okay, so we determined Angela doesn't even need
• 54:51
  handcuffs. But also, one of the reasons we did
• 54:55
  the handcuffs, too, wasn't for, like, scary effect.
• 54:59
  It was, like, literally, like... It was for the
• 55:01
  commitment. commitment if you don't like doing
• 55:03
  solos you have to do a solo so doing a solo scary
• 55:07
  enough this forces you to do it yeah what would
• 55:12
  what is your guys's scariest place you think
• 55:15
  would be to do a solo i'd say any so the difference
• 55:19
  between the madison seminary one and what we're
• 55:22
  talking about with the handcuffing in the state
• 55:24
  house in indiana in madison we were still on
• 55:27
  the property at a state house you were alone
• 55:30
  in the building Yeah. So I'd say, and this isn't
• 55:34
  really an answer, but anything that involves
• 55:36
  actually being alone. Being totally alone. Totally
• 55:39
  alone. On location. On location. Okay. I was
• 55:43
  going to say for myself, like, location -wise,
• 55:46
  doing a solo at a jail would be terrifying. That
• 55:54
  would be terrifying. Like, you guys know that
• 55:58
  what energy was left behind from those inmates
• 56:01
  that were there. Exactly. Exactly. That is. How
• 56:05
  about we do this? How about we make one big cauldron
• 56:08
  of one terrible potion? So, so far, our ingredient
• 56:11
  list is a prison that involves at some point
• 56:14
  a bat shitting on your head. Yes. So far. And
• 56:18
  you being, like, totally by yourself on location,
• 56:22
  nobody else is on property. Yes. Okay. Are you
• 56:26
  writing this down, Ben? I'm writing this down.
• 56:28
  If we're going with this sort of scenario and
• 56:32
  taking it step by step, I feel like if you're
• 56:38
  in a jail doing a solo, you could potentially
• 56:42
  remove the handcuffs from the situation and lock
• 56:47
  someone in a cell for a solo. I think that would
• 56:50
  be terrifying. Handcuffed. In a cell. No, you
• 56:55
  don't even need the handcuffs, I feel like. Just
• 56:58
  locking someone in a cell. Okay. Yeah. That'd
• 57:02
  be so fun. Locked in a cell, and then a bat is
• 57:06
  also in the cell shitting on your head? That's
• 57:10
  terrible. Okay, okay. So let's take it a step
• 57:15
  further now. Flashlight or no flashlight? Do
• 57:18
  you want to see what's happening? I think being
• 57:22
  able to see would be scarier. I also agree with
• 57:27
  that. Because at Madison, when I was blindfolded
• 57:31
  for Estes, I felt like if I could see, it would
• 57:35
  have made things worse. Yeah, because it's like
• 57:37
  you're going to be like someone's going to look
• 57:38
  around the corner at you or something like that.
• 57:41
  Especially at prison, you got all the cells.
• 57:43
  If you shine the light the wrong way, it casts
• 57:45
  a shadow. I think having a light would be scarier.
• 57:50
  It's always just shadows. But what would be scarier?
• 57:54
  Because if you're blindfolded, you gotta have
• 57:57
  the handcuffs. You can't just be blindfolded
• 57:59
  walking around. Yeah. Or would that actually
• 58:03
  be funny? Or tie your hands around your back?
• 58:05
  Straight jacket! Straight jacket and blindfold.
• 58:08
  So you can still walk around and bump into shit.
• 58:11
  Oh my gosh. Straight jacket. No. Like, that's
• 58:18
  just a hazard at that point. Okay, so we gotta
• 58:22
  be a little more grounded here. What's a hazard
• 58:26
  and what's actually safe? But, okay, blindfolded
• 58:31
  and restrained, be it straitjacket, handcuff,
• 58:35
  whatever, or a flashlight, what's scarier, blindfold
• 58:37
  or a light? Oh. I'd say having a light is probably
• 58:42
  scarier because of the shadow factor. I do agree.
• 58:50
  You can trick yourself into believing you're
• 58:52
  similar. Like, if you don't have the Estus thing
• 58:55
  set up, and you just have a blindfold, you can
• 58:57
  fall asleep, close your eyes, force yourself
• 59:00
  to forget. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so, this sounds
• 59:06
  weird, maybe to other people, but in our scariest
• 59:10
  solo scenario, I added a note, you are allowed
• 59:13
  a flashlight. Because to us, that makes it scarier.
• 59:19
  Okay. Equipment. Do you have equipment? Do you
• 59:24
  not have equipment? What would be scarier? I
• 59:28
  would say having... It depends on the equipment.
• 59:33
  Yeah, it depends on the equipment. So what would
• 59:35
  the scariest... I think... Anything that produces...
• 59:41
  Having either that or... Something that detects,
• 59:46
  like, is a sensory detector, like a cat ball
• 59:51
  or a REM pod, like something that tells you that
• 59:55
  there's something there. Like, say you're locked
• 59:57
  in a jail cell and you have cat balls lining
• 1:00:00
  the hallway and you see them slowly light up
• 1:00:03
  one by one coming in your direction. Yeah. It
• 1:00:08
  gave me goosebumps. Capitals and REM pods line
• 1:00:13
  the hallway and then you have an EMF meter in
• 1:00:17
  the cell? I wouldn't say EMF meter. No, that's
• 1:00:21
  not going to be scary. A spirit box. Okay, would
• 1:00:25
  the spirit box static overpowering everything
• 1:00:28
  else be scarier or less scarier than silence?
• 1:00:33
  I feel like that's one of the things with the
• 1:00:35
  spirit box. One of its downsides and one of its
• 1:00:38
  good sides is like... it creates white noise
• 1:00:41
  so you can't hear a lot of everything else so
• 1:00:43
  it's the same thing as like wearing the blindfold
• 1:00:46
  like if you can't see it you can pretend it's
• 1:00:48
  not there if you can't hear anything except for
• 1:00:51
  the white static you can pretend nothing else
• 1:00:54
  is going on so having that um a filtered spirit
• 1:00:58
  box or ovulus that gives you words is going to
• 1:01:02
  be scarier than just white noise spirit box for
• 1:01:05
  simplicity i just put a word generator device
• 1:01:08
  in the cell just yeah over explaining but i do
• 1:01:12
  agree um so i do agree the scariest thing possible
• 1:01:16
  would be things that detect motion in the hallway
• 1:01:19
  like cat balls and rempods that would be terrifying
• 1:01:22
  and then in the cell itself is something that
• 1:01:26
  would just spit out words or phrases yeah um
• 1:01:30
  okay but other than that is just ambient sound
• 1:01:34
  yeah you can hear something walks up to that
• 1:01:37
  that would be that's the ambient noises i mean
• 1:01:39
  of course of course in this situation you'd probably
• 1:01:42
  have like a video camera or like a voice recorder
• 1:01:46
  i would say yes you want to record the the whole
• 1:01:52
  thing like that's that's one of the things with
• 1:01:54
  solos is like it didn't happen unless you have
• 1:01:57
  proof so well but i'd wager would you're locked
• 1:02:02
  in a cell would we set up two cameras both outside
• 1:02:05
  the cell one pointing in one out or would it
• 1:02:09
  be because i think it would be less scary if
• 1:02:12
  you are allowed to have a camera that you're
• 1:02:15
  holding and you're pointing around and that adds
• 1:02:17
  light and you can just talk yeah i know i don't
• 1:02:20
  think you should have the camera i think it should
• 1:02:22
  be like outside the cell You can have the voice
• 1:02:28
  recorder in the cell with you, though. Yeah,
• 1:02:32
  yes. But I wrote down that cameras themselves
• 1:02:35
  outside the cell. Okay, so it is being filmed,
• 1:02:38
  but you can't access the cameras themselves.
• 1:02:42
  Which, that's so terrifying, because if you see
• 1:02:45
  the camera shut off or something, that would
• 1:02:49
  be so scary. If the cat balls start going off...
• 1:02:53
  One by one approaching the camera and then the
• 1:02:55
  camera dies and you can't reach the camera or
• 1:02:57
  like do anything about it. And as it's a little
• 1:02:59
  bit of ambient light that now you, you lose.
• 1:03:03
  Yeah, exactly. Creepy. What was that, Ang? Was
• 1:03:09
  that like a scared? I think that was Angela getting
• 1:03:13
  the chills. Do you just take a shot? Or was she
• 1:03:16
  taking a shot? We just, why? Angela! This episode
• 1:03:25
  is scaring Angela so bad. She just took a shot.
• 1:03:28
  What did you take a shot of? She could barely
• 1:03:32
  drink it. Look at her face. Ben, why do you think
• 1:03:35
  this is good? This just, this is like spicy water.
• 1:03:39
  It doesn't even taste like whiskey. It's whiskey.
• 1:03:42
  I mean, it's the cheapest Canadian whiskey you
• 1:03:45
  can get, but it goes down smooth. Like you said,
• 1:03:48
  it's like water. Yeah, it's like water, but it
• 1:03:51
  doesn't have that, like, itchiness of whiskey,
• 1:03:58
  you know? It's too watery. I don't know. I don't
• 1:04:02
  know how else to describe it. Like, oh, God,
• 1:04:04
  that was, like, not a good taste. That was, like,
• 1:04:06
  watered -down whiskey. Like, giving that pure
• 1:04:09
  stuff, that's, like, almost easier and tastes
• 1:04:12
  better. Should I add to this cocktail, then,
• 1:04:14
  cheap Canadian whiskey? Oh, God, yeah. No, because
• 1:04:19
  you can't have something to settle the nerves
• 1:04:21
  for you. No, you take two shots of cheap Canadian
• 1:04:25
  whiskey before you get locked in. Okay. Or would
• 1:04:29
  that make it less scary? That would give you
• 1:04:31
  a boost of confidence. Yeah. Grandeur. Non -alcoholic
• 1:04:36
  Canadian spice. Non -alcoholic Canadian spice
• 1:04:39
  whiskey. Better yet, let's just get an IV going
• 1:04:43
  with some whiskey. Get it right in your blood.
• 1:04:47
  If we were at, like, a haunted hospital, that'd
• 1:04:49
  be... Not realistic for a prison. No. Okay. Speaking
• 1:04:57
  of... It's a prison. Should we really lean into
• 1:05:00
  the idea of, okay, how can we make this the most
• 1:05:04
  terrifying traumatic experience possible for
• 1:05:06
  the person doing the solo? Should we have at
• 1:05:09
  one random point during their solo, someone pretending
• 1:05:12
  to be a guard come in and start banging on cells
• 1:05:15
  without them knowing? No. Why? I think having
• 1:05:20
  a mirror in the room facing you. Wait, let's
• 1:05:25
  go back to the guy being the guy. Is that too
• 1:05:28
  scary? That kind of ruins the effect of the solo.
• 1:05:32
  I mean, you could do that when you're closing
• 1:05:35
  them in, as they're leaving, to stir up activity.
• 1:05:41
  Yeah, that's a good idea. I don't think having
• 1:05:43
  someone come in in the middle of the solo would
• 1:05:47
  make sense. Okay, so just no distractions. You're
• 1:05:50
  completely alone. No one. but having a mirror
• 1:05:54
  in the cell i think having a mirror in the cell
• 1:05:57
  let it face you the whole time like that i don't
• 1:06:02
  like that and that probably is like the reason
• 1:06:04
  why it's got to be added to the list yeah that's
• 1:06:07
  the point that's the point okay um live stream
• 1:06:11
  or no live stream uh no live stream no live stream
• 1:06:16
  because I felt comfort when I had a livestream.
• 1:06:20
  Yeah, no livestream. It felt like I had people
• 1:06:22
  with me. You could do a livestream that's like,
• 1:06:27
  so you can't see the phone. Like, they're watching
• 1:06:29
  you, but they can't see the phone. But then you
• 1:06:32
  can't, like, comment on what's going on. People
• 1:06:35
  are just gonna watch you. People ask questions.
• 1:06:36
  Even still, even still, like, when... it is for
• 1:06:41
  me especially especially during that like going
• 1:06:44
  back thinking about that live it's like you build
• 1:06:46
  a script for yourself and like it makes gives
• 1:06:50
  you comfort that oh i'm talking to people like
• 1:06:54
  no matter what you're talking to people so like
• 1:06:57
  as long as you're talking it tricks your brain
• 1:07:00
  into thinking that oh okay i'm fine yes plus
• 1:07:04
  you knew we were watching on the other end of
• 1:07:06
  the live stream in this scenario even though
• 1:07:10
  like i don't know why i'm saying brie in this
• 1:07:13
  case is doing a solo um but if brie was doing
• 1:07:16
  a solo would she have access to like talk to
• 1:07:21
  it would we would we even know what's going on
• 1:07:23
  or is it just a case of we'll be back in 30 minutes
• 1:07:26
  regardless that's a good question because i feel
• 1:07:31
  like you've got to have a safeguard of that's
• 1:07:33
  of like like something Like, in case of, like,
• 1:07:38
  worst case scenario, you gotta have some way
• 1:07:40
  to reach each other. We're on the phone, but
• 1:07:45
  the phone is outside the cell? I don't know.
• 1:07:49
  Either that or just, no, like, 30 minutes solo
• 1:07:53
  and we'll come back. Hopefully nobody dies. Well,
• 1:07:59
  if they do, that's... They can continue the investigation.
• 1:08:05
  Oh my gosh. Come on. I was totally baiting Angela
• 1:08:13
  to say something. That was totally an Angela
• 1:08:16
  sort of... I'm having a hard time focusing. My
• 1:08:19
  mind's too, like, busy. You know? There's a reason
• 1:08:26
  I took a shot. I feel like that would have made
• 1:08:30
  it worse. Yeah. I don't think so. Do you remember
• 1:08:33
  the last time you drank on this? You were just...
• 1:08:35
  Talking about Bigfoot being the Antichrist. Okay,
• 1:08:39
  so no one should die. I'm sorry I tried prompting
• 1:08:43
  Angela to interject with one of her Angela -isms.
• 1:08:45
  Are you talking about, like, when you said, like,
• 1:08:48
  imagine if you, like, you shouldn't do this,
• 1:08:51
  but, like, imagine if someone dies or gets killed
• 1:08:54
  and then you do some, like, ghost hunting. Like,
• 1:08:58
  what kind of activity would that stir up? There
• 1:09:03
  we go. That's what I wanted. There we go. That's
• 1:09:05
  what we were looking for. I knew if you just
• 1:09:07
  planted a seed, Angela would just be like, ooh,
• 1:09:09
  okay. This is a hypothetical. Like, what if,
• 1:09:12
  you guys? What if? What if in an extreme scenario?
• 1:09:15
  I don't want to encourage it, but if someone
• 1:09:17
  got murdered. Murdered. Murdered. Murder me,
• 1:09:26
  please. Nobody said that. Okay. Okay, I do almost
• 1:09:34
  daily say either I need to be euthanized or please
• 1:09:38
  take me out back and shoot me. Brianna! Who do
• 1:09:44
  you tell that to? My coworkers. Well, I'm glad
• 1:09:48
  they're nice people. Tell the wrong person, then.
• 1:09:52
  You're dead. True. Ange, we sound drunker than
• 1:09:57
  you do. What's going on? God, I'm just distracted.
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  It's all the ghosts in the apartment. She's like
• 1:10:07
  a dog, you know, the dog says, squirrel, squirrel.
• 1:10:10
  She's like, ghost, ghost. What do we have so
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  far? So far, we have, you are in a prison, completely
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  alone, no contact with anybody permitted. You
• 1:10:24
  are locked in a cell. All cameras are outside
• 1:10:27
  the cell. No live stream. You are allowed to
• 1:10:30
  have a flashlight. There are capos and rampods
• 1:10:33
  in the hallway. You have a word generator device
• 1:10:36
  in the cell with you. There's also a mirror in
• 1:10:40
  the cell. And at some point, a bat shits on your
• 1:10:43
  head. The scariest solo we could come up with.
• 1:10:52
  At some point, the fat shits on your head. This
• 1:10:56
  is our creation. Is there anything else to add
• 1:11:02
  that would make it scarier? We gather a group
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  on the outside and we do some sort of ritual
• 1:11:10
  to summon a scary... uh entity yeah we keep baiting
• 1:11:17
  angela but she's so like distracted by ghosts
• 1:11:19
  that she's not yeah but you like you do that
• 1:11:23
  to like make like have the most scariest entity
• 1:11:27
  come into how about no why no because it's just
• 1:11:31
  stupid or it would make it scarier yes both completely
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  alone however A coven is hired to conduct a conjuring
• 1:11:50
  ritual on the grounds while the solo is performed.
• 1:11:56
  Yes. Oh, boy. Oh, correction. A random coven.
• 1:12:02
  A random coven. Oh, okay. We don't know what
• 1:12:07
  that coven's all about. A random coven that has
• 1:12:09
  not been vetted or we even know anyone in. It's
• 1:12:12
  a Craigslist coven. I was literally adding a
• 1:12:15
  random Facebook marketplace coven. No, no, no.
• 1:12:19
  You can't even do Facebook marketplace. It's
• 1:12:21
  gotta be Craigslist. Yeah, it gotta be Craigslist.
• 1:12:24
  A random Craigslist coven is hired to conduct
• 1:12:26
  a conjuring ritual on the grounds while the solo
• 1:12:29
  is performed. Oh, gosh. The coven is instructed
• 1:12:38
  to wear orange jumpsuits simulating escaped prisoners.
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  God, what else could we do? It's gotta be on
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  a night of a new moon so there is no extra light.
• 1:13:06
  A new moon at 3 a .m. Ooh, yeah, time. 3 a .m.
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  3 a .m. Though, honestly, the 3 a .m. thing,
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  I feel like... I feel like whenever we do investigations,
• 1:13:18
  that's when we get the... There's nothing then!
• 1:13:20
  That's so true. A lot of activity. It's always
• 1:13:22
  between 10 and midnight. Okay, so 11? 11 .30.
• 1:13:27
  11 .30. Goes into midnight. Yes. Because we always
• 1:13:31
  get that big jump at midnight. Yeah. So 11. Not
• 1:13:34
  at 3. Yeah, it's pretty quiet. Yeah. We can do
• 1:13:39
  11 .33. 11 .33. Our scariest solo investigation
• 1:13:46
  takes place at 11 .33pm on a new moon. When should
• 1:13:54
  the bat shit on your head? 12 .33. At midnight?
• 1:14:00
  A bat? Well, we can't plan when the bat shit's
• 1:14:04
  gonna happen. No, no, we just gotta keep - You
• 1:14:06
  gotta stay in the cell until the bat shit. I
• 1:14:11
  just thought of something. I just thought of
• 1:14:13
  something that you guys would absolutely hate.
• 1:14:16
  What? Having Boo Buddy. Oh my god, no. Boo Buddy
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  right out of reach outside the cell? Yeah, I
• 1:14:26
  wouldn't mind that. That wouldn't make me scared.
• 1:14:29
  That would just make me angry. But that would
• 1:14:31
  feed it. Yeah, and you know Boo Buddy says those
• 1:14:34
  creepy, like, little kid voice things at random
• 1:14:37
  times. I'm adding it. We know your hatred for
• 1:14:42
  Boo Buddy, and I share the sentiments, Angela,
• 1:14:45
  so I'm adding this, because I know it would frustrate
• 1:14:47
  me to the point it would heighten my anxiety.
• 1:14:50
  That's fair. That's fair. Gosh. Cat balls and
• 1:14:55
  REM pods line the hallway. Boo Buddy. Is just
• 1:14:59
  out of reach. Is just out of reach. And cannot
• 1:15:02
  be turned off. So annoying. Good question Angela
• 1:15:07
  alluded to. What? How long is the solo? I'd say
• 1:15:12
  max 30 minutes. But this is a scarier scenario.
• 1:15:17
  I'm just thinking practical. Should we just say
• 1:15:21
  30 minutes then? I think... No, I do think it
• 1:15:24
  should be 30 minutes because all activity happens
• 1:15:27
  in like... a 20 30 minute time frame and then
• 1:15:31
  it starts dwindling out that's usually how the
• 1:15:35
  patterns go okay what if you round up a little
• 1:15:39
  bit starts at 11 33 we get you at 12 15. so 45
• 1:15:44
  minutes 45 yeah that seems good I'm just imagining.
• 1:15:52
  I mean, my solo at the State House was around
• 1:15:56
  that long for 45 minutes, I'd say. I'm just trying
• 1:16:00
  to imagine spending that amount of time in a
• 1:16:05
  haunted cell. I couldn't even do 20 minutes in
• 1:16:11
  the basement of Madison. Is there anything else
• 1:16:14
  we can make this even scarier by adding? Is there
• 1:16:18
  anything possible? Ooh, I did have an idea that
• 1:16:24
  just flashed across my brain. What if instead
• 1:16:27
  of a flashlight, you had candles, like a candle
• 1:16:32
  and matches? Because that would constantly have
• 1:16:36
  moving light. I think having a light that randomly
• 1:16:41
  just flashes in that general area would be pretty
• 1:16:46
  damn scary. A flashlight that's programmed? to
• 1:16:48
  just shut off like just turn on and off in five
• 1:16:51
  minute intervals or something where it goes on
• 1:16:53
  for five minutes and you're without it for five
• 1:16:55
  and suddenly no i was not even thinking that
• 1:16:57
  i'm just thinking like just on and off on and
• 1:17:01
  off just like that once it wants in a while because
• 1:17:05
  because it's just like you just have your eyes
• 1:17:07
  open you're in the pitch black and then all of
• 1:17:09
  a sudden it's like and then you see everything
• 1:17:12
  around you and then and then i'm picturing like
• 1:17:15
  The possessed nun, like, standing in the door.
• 1:17:18
  I'm thinking, what that's making me think of,
• 1:17:20
  like, is, like, one of those shutter lights that's
• 1:17:23
  constantly flashing. Like, a rave light. Oh god,
• 1:17:27
  that sounds even worse. That would be terrible.
• 1:17:30
  That would be even worse. What's worse, that?
• 1:17:34
  Like, a rave light? What's that, is that, like,
• 1:17:36
  the proper term? I have no idea. Well, but it's
• 1:17:39
  like a strobe light, right? A strobe light. Yeah,
• 1:17:41
  a strobe light. There we go. Strobe light or
• 1:17:44
  old school... Realistically, we probably wouldn't
• 1:17:49
  be allowed to have a real candle in an old building,
• 1:17:53
  but like a fake candle or a strobe light. What
• 1:17:56
  would be... What's the point of a fake candle?
• 1:17:58
  Yeah, a fake candle wouldn't work. There's no
• 1:18:00
  point in a fake candle. Yeah. Just a strobe light,
• 1:18:03
  yeah. Ugh. You're allowed a flashlight, but it's
• 1:18:07
  a strobe light. So you have the option, be in
• 1:18:11
  the pitch black or turn on a strobe light. I
• 1:18:14
  think that makes it scarier. Yeah. Any other
• 1:18:17
  additions, or is this kind of like the... No,
• 1:18:20
  I think that's pretty terrifying. I don't know
• 1:18:22
  what could make that scarier. Let me repeat this.
• 1:18:27
  So, there's a haunted prison. The bigger, the
• 1:18:31
  better. You are completely alone inside the prison.
• 1:18:34
  However, on the grounds of the prison... A random
• 1:18:37
  Craigslist coven is hired to conduct a ritual
• 1:18:41
  on the grounds. They are instructed to wear orange
• 1:18:44
  jumpsuits to simulate escaped prisoners. We start
• 1:18:48
  the solo at 11 .33pm on a new moon when we lock
• 1:18:52
  whoever's doing the solo in the cell, and we
• 1:18:57
  enter the building to get them 45 minutes later
• 1:19:00
  at 12 .15. All cameras are outside the cell,
• 1:19:03
  no livestream or phone. No contact with anyone
• 1:19:06
  on the outside. You are allowed to have a flashlight,
• 1:19:09
  but it's a strobe light. There are cat balls
• 1:19:11
  and REM pods lining the hallway, and Boo Buddy
• 1:19:14
  is just out of reach and cannot be turned off.
• 1:19:16
  There is a word generator device in the cell
• 1:19:18
  with you, as well as a mirror. And we purposefully
• 1:19:23
  place a bat in the cell in hopes that it shits
• 1:19:26
  on your head. My only question remaining. Sounds
• 1:19:31
  so good. What should the threshold be? How many
• 1:19:35
  listens does this episode need to get for us
• 1:19:39
  to make this a reality? A hundred thousand. A
• 1:19:44
  hundred thousand? Oh, I was thinking like a realistic.
• 1:19:48
  Realistic? No, I don't want to do this. What
• 1:19:50
  are you talking about? We're not going to get
• 1:19:53
  a hundred thousand listens. Yeah, that's impossible.
• 1:19:57
  I'd say a thousand. If we get a thousand. A thousand
• 1:20:00
  by a certain day. Okay. A thousand... I think
• 1:20:05
  even... Like, I think a thousand is still a lot
• 1:20:08
  if you guys are trying to be realistic. You guys...
• 1:20:13
  You say you guys as if, like, you're not included
• 1:20:15
  in this. Four hundred. I was even gonna go lower
• 1:20:21
  than that being realistic. Three fifty. I'd say
• 1:20:25
  one fifty. One... No. We could get that. We could
• 1:20:29
  get that. We average... in the 40 to 60 range
• 1:20:35
  per episode. So that's double? No. It's gotta
• 1:20:39
  be at least 500. Okay. No, I wouldn't say 500.
• 1:20:43
  Yeah, let's say 400. 400, and we play Jenga,
• 1:20:47
  and someone has to do a solo in a jail. So when's
• 1:20:53
  this coming out? Oh, bright computer. Okay, this
• 1:20:56
  is coming out... Next week on. July 30th. So
• 1:21:03
  if by. September 1st. This episode has. 400 listens.
• 1:21:11
  We will do a. Live streamed. Jenga game. We'll
• 1:21:17
  do best 2 out of 3. Live. And by the end of.
• 1:21:24
  The year. If possible. At least one year from
• 1:21:27
  the date of the recording. We will. book a big
• 1:21:31
  abandoned haunted prison and make this a reality.
• 1:21:35
  Ugh. I'm just, uh, because I'm going to end up
• 1:21:41
  losing Jenga. You're the one that said 400! I
• 1:21:45
  said 1 ,000! Well, I said 100 ,000 and you guys
• 1:21:49
  said, no, you've got to be more realistic. Because
• 1:21:52
  we're not getting 100 ,000. If we said 100 ,000,
• 1:21:55
  Taben's going to be out there sharing this 5
• 1:21:57
  million times for no reason. Think about Taven.
• 1:22:00
  Poor Taven. At least give him a purpose in life.
• 1:22:04
  Come on. He's gonna be sharing this and then
• 1:22:07
  he's like, why am I even sharing this? There's
• 1:22:10
  no point. Not even Taven knows 100 ,000 people.
• 1:22:16
  I'm gonna lose, Jenga. Now, if every episode
• 1:22:21
  of Malice in the Mitten was a person, we would
• 1:22:24
  have 100 ,000 votes. They have a lot of episodes.
• 1:22:28
  Yeah. Oh, goodness. Especially if you add up
• 1:22:32
  everything on the XL network. Okay. So enough
• 1:22:40
  babbling. We need to make it clear. Everyone
• 1:22:42
  that's still listening, you are the November
• 1:22:45
  fans. If you want us in November, we'll do it
• 1:22:49
  in November just for you. If you want a November
• 1:22:52
  livestream, a special two out of three Jenga
• 1:22:56
  match live only for you. We'll give a Zoom link
• 1:22:59
  only to the November fans to watch that will
• 1:23:03
  determine who, within a year's time, will do
• 1:23:06
  this terrifying solo in the prison while a coven
• 1:23:09
  is outside. We'll play it straight. We'll even
• 1:23:12
  find a Craigslist coven. We'll let ChatGPT write
• 1:23:17
  the Craigslist post. Get this to 400 listens
• 1:23:26
  by September 1st. And September 1st is a Tuesday.
• 1:23:35
  So got a couple weeks to do it. If we do somehow
• 1:23:41
  get enough listens, we will record an announcement
• 1:23:44
  on that Tuesday, September 1st, to post as that
• 1:23:47
  week's episode saying, fuck Bree, you're fucked.
• 1:23:54
  Okay, step outside of yourselves for a moment.
• 1:23:59
  just think as like an objective third party who
• 1:24:03
  would be the best so like who would contribute
• 1:24:07
  or create the best footage to watch back like
• 1:24:10
  who would make for the best solo on a playback
• 1:24:13
  not me i feel like you brianna I feel like Ben
• 1:24:24
  or I would probably do... I'm glad that everyone
• 1:24:28
  agrees it's not me. Yeah, we were just like,
• 1:24:31
  they're not Bianche, I hope it's Brie. No! Just
• 1:24:35
  for that, I hope it's you, Ben. Well, you know
• 1:24:38
  I'm just gonna, like... Something's gonna happen,
• 1:24:40
  and I'm gonna say afterwards, like, yeah, I think
• 1:24:42
  I saw, like, an alien, you guys. And then we're
• 1:24:44
  gonna have a whole podcast about, like, my alien
• 1:24:46
  sighting, and then you guys are gonna be like,
• 1:24:48
  eh, this Ben guy's kinda nuts. I just saw an
• 1:24:50
  alien. God, I hope it doesn't get 400 listens.
• 1:24:55
  I'm not gonna listen to that episode. I've listened
• 1:24:58
  to every single episode so far, just, like, as
• 1:25:02
  a refresher, because I don't remember what we
• 1:25:04
  talked about by the time that the episodes come
• 1:25:06
  out. And... I'm not going to listen to that episode
• 1:25:10
  because I don't want to add to the total. You're
• 1:25:13
  that scared? I mean, that was the point of the
• 1:25:17
  episode. I do not want to end up having to do
• 1:25:21
  a solo in a haunted jail cell. But we know...
• 1:25:25
  Angela's not on right now. Should we form a pact
• 1:25:29
  right now that if this happens, if either of
• 1:25:32
  us loses, we make it, in the moment, a best three
• 1:25:36
  out of five? just so that it so we'll make a
• 1:25:40
  pact right now okay we gotta show this angela's
• 1:25:43
  gonna lose this she's not on right now okay it's
• 1:25:48
  three out of five all right anyway anyways continue
• 1:25:50
  sorry i just want to get that out um angela's
• 1:25:53
  gonna lose no matter what yeah i was gonna say
• 1:25:55
  no oh i don't know what are you what are you
• 1:25:59
  talking about we didn't say anything Thanks for
• 1:26:04
  listening to this week's episode of Paranormal
• 1:26:06
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• 1:26:12
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• 1:26:15
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• 1:26:18
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• 1:26:20
  paranormal deep dive.