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Healing The Hidden Pain with Mike Wood · The Trauma Therapist

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Trauma Therapists podcast. My name is Gimick
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Speaker 1: person I interview incredible people who've dedicated their lives to
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Speaker 1: helping those who've been impacted by trauma. A big thank
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Speaker 1: this show. So five four three two one, our folks,
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Speaker 1: welcome back to the podcast. Super excited to have as
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Speaker 1: my guest today, Mike Wood. Mike welcome, Thank you, Thank
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Speaker 1: you for having me awesome. So, Mike spent over thirty
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Speaker 1: years living with anxiety and depression before making the decision
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Speaker 1: to go all in on his own healing. What came
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Speaker 1: out of that journey is Learned to Love Being You,
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Speaker 1: a ten week program built around the tools and practices
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Speaker 1: that actually worked for him breathwork, meditation, mindset, and emotional healing.
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Speaker 1: His approach isn't clinical, it's personal, practical and grounded and
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Speaker 1: lives experience. Today, He's on a mission to help others
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Speaker 1: find the same piece he spent most of his life
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Speaker 1: looking for. Mike, just a little bit about you before
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Speaker 1: going share with our listeners where you're from originally and
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Speaker 1: where you are currently, and then we'll dive in.
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Speaker 2: I grew up in California, and after high school, I
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Speaker 2: moved to Tennessee and that's where I've been living for
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Speaker 2: the last thirty years.
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Speaker 1: All right, So thirty thirty years, as it says in
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Speaker 1: your bio, living with anxiety, knowing something's going on, depression.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of people can. I
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Speaker 1: don't know. I just relate to that. Talk to us,
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Speaker 1: take us back. How did all this start?
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Speaker 3: So, you know, now on the other side of it,
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Speaker 3: I know where it started. You know.
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Speaker 2: I had some childhood trauma with my with my dad
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Speaker 2: leaving when I was you know, one and a half
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Speaker 2: years old. But the biggest thing that was that caused
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Speaker 2: abandonment issues that I was able to deal with later.
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Speaker 2: But the bigger issue for me was I didn't I
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Speaker 2: had a rare four of dyslexia. I still do and
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Speaker 2: I didn't learn how to read past the second grade
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Speaker 2: level until I was twenty five years old. So at
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Speaker 2: a very early age, I got into an elevated emotional
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Speaker 2: state with a clear intention, and that clear intention was
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Speaker 2: that I wasn't as.
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Speaker 3: Smart as everybody else. I was dumb.
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Speaker 2: And so here come those thoughts every day from the
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Speaker 2: all the way through the future. Up to the point
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Speaker 2: when I was or forty seven years old, and I
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Speaker 2: went back and rewrote all of that, those negative thoughts
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Speaker 2: that we all have that haunt us, that cause our anxiety,
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Speaker 2: it's actually coming from somewhere.
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Speaker 3: It's coming from a root cause.
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Speaker 2: And I was able to learn how to go back
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Speaker 2: to those root causes and.
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Speaker 3: Get rid of them, basically removed them.
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Speaker 1: And that was just that was we'll get there. You're
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Speaker 1: you're jumping way ahead. You're giving You're just giving us
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Speaker 1: that thirty thousand fit big perspective. But I want details
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Speaker 1: and old I want to ask you a question. What's
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Speaker 1: this rare form of dyslexia?
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Speaker 2: So it's hereditary And it didn't get diagnosed in me
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Speaker 2: until I was about, i want to say, about thirty
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Speaker 2: five years old, when my son had dyslexia and we
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Speaker 2: sent them to the University of Middle Tennessee and they
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Speaker 2: diagnosed him and they said, this is a rare form,
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Speaker 2: it's typically hereditary. And I'm at that point, I'm about
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Speaker 2: in tears because I'm passing this on to him. Everything
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Speaker 2: they were talking about with him was the same, and
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Speaker 2: my child after him as well, my last two kids.
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Speaker 2: I have six kids, and the last two both have
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Speaker 2: the exact same thing.
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Speaker 3: They're struggling with reading.
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Speaker 2: We're getting them helping, you know, but when my time,
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Speaker 2: there wasn't any help.
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Speaker 1: So you grew up. You're struggling what academically? Yeah, you're
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Speaker 1: thinking you're not as smart? How does that? How do
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Speaker 1: you manage that? How does how do you deal with that?
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Speaker 3: So you hide it?
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Speaker 1: All?
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Speaker 3: Is what I did.
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Speaker 2: I hit behind the kid in front of me in class,
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Speaker 2: trying not to get called on to.
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Speaker 3: Read out loud. I did all my homework.
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Speaker 2: I scanned for keywords and was able to do all
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Speaker 2: my homework, virtually failed every test, got out of school
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Speaker 2: with c's and d's. It was it was a struggle,
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Speaker 2: but I was I did it alone. I did it hiding,
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Speaker 2: and it created a lot of tools that I'm able
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Speaker 2: to use in business, and it gave me a lot
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Speaker 2: of you know, figure it.
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Speaker 3: Out skills, right, But at the end of the day, it.
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Speaker 2: Also created a lot of negative core beliefs within me
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Speaker 2: that that haunted me for years to come.
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Speaker 1: So you failed every test, you get into high school,
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Speaker 1: how does that? What does that look like?
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Speaker 2: So you know, and so they put me in the
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Speaker 2: lower level classes so the basic stuff you know. In reality,
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Speaker 2: I'm I'm very intelligent, but I had to learn how
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Speaker 2: to scan for keywords when I'm reading the test.
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Speaker 3: I couldn't comprehend a paragraph.
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Speaker 2: I could read one sentence at a time, but by
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Speaker 2: the time I read the second sentence, I couldn't remember
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Speaker 2: what the first sentence said, and so I would have
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Speaker 2: to just scan for keywords. And I just I just
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Speaker 2: use little tricks like that to get myself through every day.
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Speaker 2: I was really good at basketball, so I had a
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Speaker 2: couple of coaches that taught history, helped me along the
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Speaker 2: way a little bit. Maybe maybe I should have got
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Speaker 2: a D. Maybe I ended up with a B. I
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Speaker 2: actually got a little love from one teacher. It was
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Speaker 2: a high school basketball coach. But in reality, I just struggled. Man,
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Speaker 2: it was a it was a it was a very
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Speaker 2: challenging time for me.
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Speaker 1: So I'm imagining low self esteem, low self worth. Are
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Speaker 1: you do you have friends? Are you hanging out? No?
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Speaker 2: I very introverted, and so I have a big I
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Speaker 2: had a family full of brothers, so I invertally got.
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Speaker 3: Around their friends and people.
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Speaker 2: So I wasn't a complete invert introvert, but I and
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Speaker 2: I also played a lot of sports, so I made
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Speaker 2: friends through sports. But as far as the social life,
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Speaker 2: going to somebody else's house or then coming to my house,
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Speaker 2: and now, none of that happened because I was just
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Speaker 2: I was terrified.
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Speaker 3: I didn't know how to communicate with people. And yeah,
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Speaker 3: it was, it was. It was a kind of a
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Speaker 3: challenging experience.
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Speaker 1: So was anyone your parents looking at you saying, Mike,
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Speaker 1: we got what's up? We gotta maybe we got to
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Speaker 1: get this kid some help or or what.
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Speaker 3: They didn't know, they didn't know it. Wow, you know,
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Speaker 3: I hate it.
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Speaker 2: But you know, my dad was gone, so he was
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Speaker 2: not in the picture. My mom was doing the best
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Speaker 2: she could to raise three kids, all with government assistants.
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Speaker 3: She had a job, but that wasn't enough.
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Speaker 2: So we you know, all of our meals were through
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Speaker 2: government assistants through the school. You know, she she did
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Speaker 2: the best she could to keep up with us and
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Speaker 2: keep us clothed and fed. And you know, so, no,
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Speaker 2: I didn't really have much support from home, and nobody
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Speaker 2: really understood what I was going.
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Speaker 1: Through, to be honest, So high school, college.
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Speaker 2: No, No, I wish I could have because I could
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Speaker 2: have played college basketball. But I actually went in my
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Speaker 2: junior I went to Analov Valley Junior High or junior college,
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Speaker 2: and I flunked out my first semester.
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Speaker 3: Because the tricks that I had in the past, they
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Speaker 3: weren't going to carry me through the way college flowed.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you actually had to be able to read
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Speaker 2: and comprehend and do work on your own, and at
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Speaker 2: the pace.
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Speaker 3: It was going, there was no way I could keep up.
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Speaker 2: So I basically flunked out in my first semester and
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Speaker 2: moved on.
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Speaker 1: So what do you do after that?
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Speaker 3: You move on to what manual labor? Right? Manual labor?
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Speaker 2: Just anything that I could, you know, because I did
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Speaker 2: have a good working mind.
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Speaker 3: I was able to solve problems I could. I was
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Speaker 3: a hard worker.
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Speaker 2: I became a very hard worker to overcompensate for what
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Speaker 2: I deemed as lack of intelligence.
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Speaker 3: Didn't want anybody to see, but I could. You know.
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Speaker 3: I could hang us sign faster than anybody.
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Speaker 2: I could shovel asphalt faster than anybody, because I was
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Speaker 2: an athlete by by just naturally gifted, and and so
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Speaker 2: I just excelled physically.
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Speaker 3: In a lot of those areas on until.
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Speaker 2: I was in my mid thirties, you know, I was
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Speaker 2: doing I had a shovel in my hand until I
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Speaker 2: was thirty five years old, and then I moved into
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Speaker 2: the office and got a job as an estimator.
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Speaker 3: And I struggled at first, but math was always easy.
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Speaker 2: Like math I was able to do in my head
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Speaker 2: when I was two years old, four years old, as
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Speaker 2: early as I can remember, I could.
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Speaker 3: Do math in my head.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: So that the gift, right, you know, the yin and
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Speaker 2: yang of everything, you know, doing math in your head.
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Speaker 2: And so I found my way, yeah, through hard work
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Speaker 2: and found an estimating job, and then you know, moved
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Speaker 2: on there and from there in my career.
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Speaker 1: So well, let's get let's get to this. How do
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Speaker 1: how do things unfold such that you figure out or
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Speaker 1: maybe say to yourself, I need to get some help
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Speaker 1: with reading or what is going on?
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Speaker 2: So I knew that I couldn't read, and I just
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Speaker 2: you know, one of those government things like self help
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Speaker 2: for adults adult Reading basically said hey, just start reading
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Speaker 2: the newspaper at once a day, you know, every day,
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Speaker 2: and see how far you can.
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Speaker 3: Get through it. So I did. I had a job
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Speaker 3: where I was pulling out land closures, on.
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Speaker 2: The interstate, and construction crews would go to work and
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Speaker 2: I'd be left with a lot of times. So I
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Speaker 2: started grabbing the USA Today and I just started practicing.
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Speaker 2: I was so embarrassed at twenty five that I couldn't
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Speaker 2: read and I was being held back that I just
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Speaker 2: I just learned on my own.
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Speaker 3: I just started reading the newspaper every day, and.
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Speaker 2: Then before long I made it past the first page,
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Speaker 2: and you know that, I was going to the political sections,
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Speaker 2: and I got into pologics a little bit, and just
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Speaker 2: just learned through through trying.
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Speaker 1: All right, So at what point do you say, hey,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to start putting this program together. How how
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Speaker 1: does it you go from sitting in your car reading
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Speaker 1: USA Today to this?
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Speaker 3: So what happened was I started getting success.
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Speaker 2: I got in that office and got that job, and
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Speaker 2: then I left that job after about five years, went
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Speaker 2: to another one as a construction manager, and I thought
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Speaker 2: that was going to make me.
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Speaker 3: I doubled my salary, I'm making good money.
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Speaker 2: My wife was able to quit working, and it made
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Speaker 2: me happy for a while, but it was short lived.
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Speaker 3: I leave there. I come to where I currently have
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Speaker 3: a job.
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Speaker 2: At Jarrett Company's become the COO of a company. We
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Speaker 2: exploded from two million dollars a year to one hundred
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Speaker 2: million dollars a year, making more money than I need.
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Speaker 3: Families happy, Wait.
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Speaker 1: A hold on, hold, excuse me, but are you able
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Speaker 1: to read during this?
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Speaker 2: I can read now, but you can get by a
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Speaker 2: level of comprehension.
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Speaker 3: Reading comprehension is still not the best.
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Speaker 1: But I mean, when you were working in those jobs,
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Speaker 1: were you able to just get by?
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Speaker 2: At about twenty five years old, I was able to
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Speaker 2: learn how to read and be able to get those jobs.
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Speaker 2: But you know, I still suffer. I still struggled in
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Speaker 2: some of the other areas. But I just worked my
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Speaker 2: butt off right.
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Speaker 3: And made myself valuable in other ways where you know,
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Speaker 3: I had a weakness with reading comprehension.
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Speaker 2: So if I had to read a contract for a
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Speaker 2: job that I was doing, you know, it would just
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Speaker 2: take me.
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Speaker 3: A long time. I'd have to you know, it would take.
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Speaker 2: Me five times long to read one contract because I
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Speaker 2: wouldn't understand anything. So as I got further along to
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Speaker 2: answer your question, what hit me hard is that I
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Speaker 2: had achieved everything in my life that I thought was
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Speaker 2: gonna make all that noise in my head stop. You know,
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Speaker 2: all of the insecurities, all of the negative stuff that
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Speaker 2: was going on inside me that was making me miserable
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Speaker 2: on a daily basis.
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Speaker 3: I reached a place.
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Speaker 2: Where I had achieved everything in the outside world and
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Speaker 2: I was still miserable.
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Speaker 1: And those negative voices were saying, what.
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Speaker 3: You're not good enough.
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Speaker 2: Everybody's going to find out, You're stupid, that you're not
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Speaker 2: you're not lovable, you're not worthy it. Just take those
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Speaker 2: core bases and just take it into throw it into
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Speaker 2: any situation and that and the thought would just morph
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Speaker 2: into whatever was happening with that general tone of those things.
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Speaker 1: So how do you deal with that? What do you do?
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Speaker 1: What did you do?
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Speaker 2: You know, in my early twenties or through my twenties,
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Speaker 2: I smoked a lot of weed. I never really took
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Speaker 2: to alcohol too much, but in my uh my late thirties,
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Speaker 2: you know, just trying to be social with my wife
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Speaker 2: because she was wanting to be out and me, I
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Speaker 2: would start drinking socially and that helped me.
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Speaker 3: I would have to drink to be social with folks.
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Speaker 2: And and that was how I kind of came out
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Speaker 2: of my shell and actually started interacting with folks in
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Speaker 2: a personal setting anyway. Yeah, so it was I would
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Speaker 2: medicate basically to be able to navigate because I didn't
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Speaker 2: know what to do with the anxiety that would come up.
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Speaker 3: If if we went back fifteen.
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Speaker 2: Years and I tried to have this conversation with you,
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Speaker 2: I would stutter. I would I would have a lot
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Speaker 2: of a lot of uh, just involuntary things happening in
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Speaker 2: my body that would make it very difficult for me
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Speaker 2: to even have a real conversation with you.
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Speaker 1: Was there any thought at any time, I need to
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Speaker 1: get some help and maybe I need to see a
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Speaker 1: therapist or whatever.
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Speaker 3: No, I was.
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Speaker 2: I was trying to just tough it up, you know,
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Speaker 2: the old school away robed some dirt on it and
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Speaker 2: keep going.
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Speaker 3: You just get back in the game. You can't. So yeah,
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Speaker 3: that was that was what I tried.
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Speaker 1: To do, all right, So take us to where You're like,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna start helping other people when, but when did
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Speaker 1: you start helping yourself?
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Speaker 2: So when I was forty five years old, fort yeah,
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Speaker 2: forty five, I stopped looking outward and I turned inward.
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Speaker 3: That's when I started.
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Speaker 2: When I started walking Why, Because I realized that there
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Speaker 2: was nothing left for me to achieve. I thought I
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Speaker 2: was going to be able to solve these problems by
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Speaker 2: getting the next job making more money doing it.
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Speaker 3: But I had more money than I needed.
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Speaker 2: I had a house, I had the wife, I had
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Speaker 2: the best friend. I had all of these things, and
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Speaker 2: I was still as miserable as I ever was. And
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Speaker 2: in fact, what was happening is those voices were getting
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Speaker 2: even louder.
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Speaker 3: I was more miserable with all of those things.
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Speaker 2: And I told my boss when I really hit that
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Speaker 2: breaking point, I told him I was going to quiet
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Speaker 2: my mind by any means necessary, because honestly, I don't
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Speaker 2: know if I wanted to continue living the way that
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Speaker 2: I was, and I had everything that I thought would
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Speaker 2: make me happy, So what do you do?
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Speaker 3: So I turned my focus inward and I.
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Speaker 2: Found a few things Tony Robbins video here, and everything started.
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Speaker 3: Saying, work on yourself, work on yourself. I started trying meditation.
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Speaker 2: I would do ten fifteen minute meditations and I would
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Speaker 2: feel a moment of wow.
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Speaker 3: I feel good for five minutes.
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Speaker 2: I feel good for ten minutes, and I was like, Okay,
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Speaker 2: that's something I'm going to follow that pathway.
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Speaker 3: You know, when something happened. I kept going and it
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Speaker 3: got to.
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Speaker 2: The point where I was consuming on audible ten to
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Speaker 2: fifteen books a month. I was meditating for two to
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Speaker 2: three hours a day for wow for a long time.
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Speaker 1: And then I and you're married at this point, yep, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you have kids twenty two years Yeah, okay, wow.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I dove in big time. Guy.
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Speaker 2: I've always been a hard worker, and I took all
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Speaker 2: that hard work that I was spreading everywhere else and
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Speaker 2: I just turned it all inward. I mean even now
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Speaker 2: I'm working on me. I just put it all inward.
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Speaker 2: And I started exploring things like reiki healing. I learned
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Speaker 2: how to do reiki healing. I went to any modality
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Speaker 2: that I could figure out, and I stumbled astar guy
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Speaker 2: named Chris Hancock in Franklin, Tennessee therapy outside the Box,
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Speaker 2: and I started going to him.
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Speaker 3: And the reason I went to him is.
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Speaker 2: Because he he had something called energy healing, and I
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Speaker 2: had no idea what it was. But at that point,
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Speaker 2: after about two years of working on my own, I
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Speaker 2: started to realize if I put a crystal in my hand,
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Speaker 2: that I could feel the energy in my hand and
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Speaker 2: that focus on my hand would turn my brain off.
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Speaker 2: And I started using that as a tool, and I
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Speaker 2: started playing with the energy in my hand and my chakras.
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Speaker 2: And when I heard about him, I was like energy healing.
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Speaker 3: I'm in. I'm just gonna try it.
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Speaker 1: And hang on. So I got this. I got a
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Speaker 1: title of your book from shoveling my hand to a
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Speaker 1: crystal in my hand. Exactly how seriously you got the crystaling?
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Speaker 1: Did you ever think you'd be sitting there with a
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Speaker 1: crystal in your hand? Oh?
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Speaker 3: I thought something, be crazy? You send me to the
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Speaker 3: learning farm like no. And when I rarely tell people
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Speaker 3: that because they do thing. What are you talking about that?
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Speaker 2: But because not everybody puts a crystal in their hand
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Speaker 2: and they could feel it vibrate.
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Speaker 3: But for whatever reason, I could, and a lot of
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Speaker 3: people can.
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Speaker 2: And there's certain type of crystals that vibrate at a
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Speaker 2: higher frequency, and so you get one of those that's
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Speaker 2: really powerful in your hand, you could feel it.
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Speaker 3: I carry it around with me everywhere when I.
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Speaker 2: Go into meetings here tense, and I would put those
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Speaker 2: in my hand and it would quiet my mind and
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Speaker 2: I could be present, you know, because the noise in
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Speaker 2: my head would stop when I would think about this
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Speaker 2: because you can't have two focuses.
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Speaker 3: When the mind is idle, it could just go wherever
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Speaker 3: it wants.
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Speaker 2: But when I have focus on this energy in my
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Speaker 2: hand at least partial, now I'm able to be present
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Speaker 2: with you and everybody else.
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Speaker 3: After a while, I didn't need them anymore. I could
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Speaker 3: just feel it while I'm pointing out my hand.
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Speaker 2: As I'm doing this, I could feel the energies in
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Speaker 2: my hand even as a practice, and it was just
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Speaker 2: a tool. It's nothing crazy about it, but it is
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Speaker 2: a magnificent tool to just quiet the mind. And that
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Speaker 2: was my ultimate goal is I realized my mind was
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Speaker 2: the thing that was causing all of my pain. It
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Speaker 2: wasn't anything out in the world, it was what was
18:07
Speaker 2: going on in my mind. And that's where Chris came
18:10
Speaker 2: in and we started going backwards and healing the things
18:15
Speaker 2: that were causing the voices right, And so that's where
18:19
Speaker 2: I was telling that story a little bit.
18:20
Speaker 3: I got ahead of you.
18:21
Speaker 2: But when I went back to five year old Mike
18:24
Speaker 2: in the kindergarten class, when I first learned that I
18:29
Speaker 2: wasn't as smart as everybody, because my teacher got excited,
18:32
Speaker 2: she was getting frustrated that I couldn't spell Michael, and
18:35
Speaker 2: she asked me to spell Mike, and I noticed because
18:39
Speaker 2: of her frustrations, I started paying attention. All the other
18:42
Speaker 2: kids had already spelt their name, and she was a
18:44
Speaker 2: little agitated, which got me excited, which opens up the
18:47
Speaker 2: subconscious mind to be programmed and then the clear intention
18:50
Speaker 2: of being dumb. But what's great about the subconscious mind
18:54
Speaker 2: is it has no concept of time and it doesn't
18:57
Speaker 2: understand the difference between.
18:58
Speaker 3: Reality and a pursuit reality.
19:01
Speaker 2: So I'm able to go back with my imagination to
19:05
Speaker 2: that moment right now, reframe that whole situation with compassion
19:08
Speaker 2: for the teacher she didn't understand.
19:10
Speaker 3: Forgive her because she didn't understand.
19:12
Speaker 2: Same thing with all the students and myself, and my
19:15
Speaker 2: subconscious mind will no longer hold on to that as
19:18
Speaker 2: a core memory, and it'll just move it.
19:21
Speaker 3: What I'd like to say, put it in the love bucket.
19:24
Speaker 2: And now those negative thoughts from that day they don't
19:27
Speaker 2: they don't.
19:27
Speaker 3: Show up anymore.
19:28
Speaker 2: It's because the subconscious mind's number one job is to
19:32
Speaker 2: protect us, and that's what it's trying to do. It's
19:34
Speaker 2: trying to hold onto that memory and scan constantly to
19:37
Speaker 2: make sure we never experience that negative that negative thing again.
19:42
Speaker 2: And so the beautiful thing is we can just go
19:44
Speaker 2: back and rewrite it. It's it's absolutely amazing and liberating.
19:49
Speaker 1: So this is what this is kind of, or the
19:52
Speaker 1: quote unquote therapy that you were working on, yes with
19:56
Speaker 1: that individual. And when you started to work with him,
20:04
Speaker 1: what did you start to see or feel or experience.
20:07
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it was just literating because for a
20:12
Speaker 2: week at a time, the noises in my head would
20:15
Speaker 2: just go down to twenty percent and then it.
20:18
Speaker 3: Would come back.
20:20
Speaker 2: But when I started to feel that, I was like,
20:22
Speaker 2: I'm all in, I can't even afford to go to
20:25
Speaker 2: this guy, but I am going to keep going every
20:27
Speaker 2: week and I'm gonna keep doing this. And what happened
20:31
Speaker 2: was we worked through a handful of different types of
20:33
Speaker 2: modalities that he teaches and I got to learn a lot, right,
20:38
Speaker 2: And so I just kept going back and back and back.
20:41
Speaker 2: And like one of the early ones that was it
20:44
Speaker 2: was very small, because it sometimes it takes a while
20:46
Speaker 2: to get to the head of your stuff.
20:47
Speaker 3: But like compliments, I.
20:49
Speaker 2: Realized that whenever I receive a compliment, it would make
20:52
Speaker 2: me feel gross.
20:53
Speaker 3: It would make me feel like a fraud if they
20:55
Speaker 3: were giving it to me.
20:56
Speaker 2: And then if I accepted the compliment like it was
20:58
Speaker 2: a good thing, then I felt like I was you know,
21:01
Speaker 2: like the whole thing was just I didn't like a compliment.
21:05
Speaker 2: And so we worked on that one day and then
21:07
Speaker 2: I mean within two hours of me walking out of
21:10
Speaker 2: that session, somebody gave me a compliment and I was
21:12
Speaker 2: just able to say thank you, and I had no
21:14
Speaker 2: physical response to it, like I didn't get high low,
21:18
Speaker 2: and I was.
21:19
Speaker 3: Like, wait, something is happening here.
21:21
Speaker 2: The physical reactions that I had in my daily life
21:26
Speaker 2: started going away, and I was able to respond to
21:28
Speaker 2: situations instead of having a physical reaction, and those physical
21:32
Speaker 2: reactions they're painful, right, And and that's where my life
21:37
Speaker 2: just changed.
21:38
Speaker 3: I just doub all in and about.
21:42
Speaker 2: I'd say three years into the process, I created my
21:45
Speaker 2: own writing exercise to do the same thing that we're
21:49
Speaker 2: talking about here, to make it very easy for anyone
21:51
Speaker 2: to do it. You know, you probably need to do
21:53
Speaker 2: it with somebody the first time or the set and
21:55
Speaker 2: first one or two times, but after that, anybody could
21:58
Speaker 2: do it for the rest of their life and never
22:00
Speaker 2: have to pay anybody to help them anymore.
22:04
Speaker 1: Well, let's as we let's talk about you and your
22:08
Speaker 1: program and this crazy Mike. I mean, your your story
22:13
Speaker 1: really is just amazing, amazing, you were, uh what's the word.
22:20
Speaker 1: I don't know if resilience sounds a little trite, but
22:23
Speaker 1: your your your strength right to come here through. Yeah,
22:30
Speaker 1: you're welcome to come through this, like Jesus. So, at
22:34
Speaker 1: what point did you get to the situation where you
22:39
Speaker 1: were like, I want to start helping other people? What
22:41
Speaker 1: did that look like?
22:43
Speaker 2: Man, I'll tell you what got Would you get to
22:45
Speaker 2: the other side of feeling how I was, and you
22:48
Speaker 2: get to the other side where you're living most of
22:50
Speaker 2: your days in a positive mind frame, where you feel
22:53
Speaker 2: like you can just sit in this chair and be
22:55
Speaker 2: happy and do nothing, not play on my phone. I could,
22:57
Speaker 2: I could just sit here and be happy for no reason.
23:00
Speaker 2: What happens is you start noticing all of the pain
23:04
Speaker 2: and everyone else around you. You start to see the
23:07
Speaker 2: hidden pain that I was hiding from, hiding from everyone
23:11
Speaker 2: for so many years. Now I could see it in everyone,
23:15
Speaker 2: and it was it was painful.
23:17
Speaker 3: Right.
23:17
Speaker 2: That awareness that I gained was painful, And it's just
23:21
Speaker 2: a natural response. You see somebody broken down on the
23:23
Speaker 2: side of the road, A lady gets out to change
23:25
Speaker 2: your tire, like you've got to pull over there. It's
23:27
Speaker 2: just a just a reaction, and that it's just a reaction.
23:31
Speaker 2: It's just a physical reaction to seeing people in pain.
23:35
Speaker 2: And I know that I can help them, right, I
23:37
Speaker 2: know that could change that old lady's tire. I know
23:40
Speaker 2: that I could help.
23:41
Speaker 1: So what did you do? How did you talk? Walk
23:44
Speaker 1: us through you saying to yourself, I want to start
23:48
Speaker 1: helping other people. I want to put a program together.
23:51
Speaker 1: How do you what is it?
23:53
Speaker 2: So what I did in the middle of my journey
23:56
Speaker 2: with all of this, because writing was such a big deal.
23:58
Speaker 3: The first thing I did in my journey, it was
24:00
Speaker 3: I wrote a book.
24:01
Speaker 2: It was a golf book that I had helped somebody
24:03
Speaker 2: through a golf swing.
24:04
Speaker 3: But what it did is it also opened them up
24:06
Speaker 3: to a whole other world.
24:08
Speaker 2: So when I got to the other side of this
24:10
Speaker 2: after that golf book, which two people had read, but
24:13
Speaker 2: it was just a milestone for me. You know, it
24:15
Speaker 2: wasn't like a publisher to the world. It was just
24:17
Speaker 2: posted on Amazon and be done with it. And so
24:20
Speaker 2: I had the idea when I created my own writing
24:24
Speaker 2: exercise that I needed to write a book and share
24:26
Speaker 2: this with the world.
24:27
Speaker 3: And I spent about a year working on it and
24:30
Speaker 3: the book. I sent it to one of the.
24:32
Speaker 2: Most renowned editors in the in the United States and
24:38
Speaker 2: in London, and they sent it back to me. I
24:41
Speaker 2: paid them like five grand to review my book, and
24:43
Speaker 2: they said, Mike, your book's dead on arrival. And they said,
24:46
Speaker 2: you don't have an online platform and you don't have
24:50
Speaker 2: social media following.
24:52
Speaker 3: So I was like, Okay, put the book down, let's
24:56
Speaker 3: go be here.
24:56
Speaker 2: I'm going to take what I had in my book
24:58
Speaker 2: and let's create a program that's a great I I
25:00
Speaker 2: want to actually help people. So I start working hard
25:05
Speaker 2: developing a program, starting to organize things.
25:07
Speaker 3: All right, what do people need to do? First? Second, third?
25:09
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, I had these beautiful people
25:11
Speaker 2: show up and they're like, Mickey, you're working on this program.
25:13
Speaker 3: What are you doing here? And I had seven people
25:15
Speaker 3: show up and want to take it.
25:17
Speaker 2: And it's it was they were they wanted to do it,
25:21
Speaker 2: like you can't help anybody unless they want to help themselves.
25:23
Speaker 2: And I had seven people randomly show up and want
25:26
Speaker 2: to take this program. So we worked through it, and
25:29
Speaker 2: with their guidance and everything, we went through it, and
25:33
Speaker 2: every single one of their lives changed. Two of them
25:36
Speaker 2: were on anxiety meds when they started it. Within two
25:39
Speaker 2: weeks of starting it, we're off anxiety meds. It's been
25:43
Speaker 2: a year and a half since then, they're still not
25:45
Speaker 2: taking anxiety meds.
25:46
Speaker 3: And so I'm just like blown away how this is
25:49
Speaker 3: all working.
25:50
Speaker 2: And I'm rearranging things because we run into some roadblocks
25:53
Speaker 2: and I get it all done.
25:55
Speaker 3: I posted last June.
25:57
Speaker 2: And now I'm in this marketing phase where I'm trying
25:59
Speaker 2: to figure out how to help people. But the what
26:03
Speaker 2: has happened with those first seven people changed my life.
26:08
Speaker 2: It's just like holy moly. And I've got video testimonies
26:11
Speaker 2: of how they all went through it. Some of them
26:13
Speaker 2: are teaching the same stuff now that other people. It's
26:17
Speaker 2: just that first seventh thing literally just altered my life
26:20
Speaker 2: in a way that, you know, just filled me up
26:23
Speaker 2: with love, and I just I can't wait to help
26:25
Speaker 2: somebody else.
26:26
Speaker 3: So now I take it to prisons.
26:28
Speaker 2: I take it to a handful of places that that
26:32
Speaker 2: people are willing because one of the one of the
26:34
Speaker 2: big problems I had gut in the beginning when I
26:36
Speaker 2: started doing this was I wanted to help everybody, and
26:39
Speaker 2: I realized that you can't help anybody that doesn't want,
26:43
Speaker 2: you know, doesn't want to help. So you know, that's
26:46
Speaker 2: when I started exploring, like you know, maximum security prisons
26:49
Speaker 2: and you know, these guys got nothing but time.
26:51
Speaker 3: Somebody in there has to want my help.
26:54
Speaker 1: So what's the program called.
26:57
Speaker 3: It's called Learned to Love Being You?
26:59
Speaker 1: Okay? And is it? What is it? Is it an
27:02
Speaker 1: online program? A video program? What? Okay?
27:05
Speaker 2: It's an online program with a bunch of power points
27:08
Speaker 2: where basically just we walk you through everything.
27:12
Speaker 3: It's very easy.
27:13
Speaker 2: You also get instructions like on paper, and then you
27:17
Speaker 2: get worksheets to walk you walk.
27:19
Speaker 3: You through everything. And then also once a week we
27:24
Speaker 3: have a group meeting where we can guide everybody through it.
27:28
Speaker 1: Okay? And who is it for?
27:31
Speaker 2: It's for anybody that's, you know, struggling with anxiety or depression.
27:35
Speaker 2: You know, at whatever level, you know, you're dead and
27:38
Speaker 2: everybody's different, but it's for anybody struggling with anxiety and depression.
27:47
Speaker 1: Do people get time with you during this?
27:51
Speaker 2: They can, Yeah, you know they absolutely can so uh
27:56
Speaker 2: and that's honestly the most beneficial way to work through
27:59
Speaker 2: the So everybody that takes it, I try to make time,
28:02
Speaker 2: you know, because I'm not trying to make money.
28:04
Speaker 3: I truly not I needed to make I need this
28:07
Speaker 3: course to.
28:08
Speaker 2: Be expensive, but I'm having people tell me to charge
28:10
Speaker 2: a lot more, but I'm just like, no, I want
28:13
Speaker 2: everybody to be able to afford it. It's five hundred bucks,
28:16
Speaker 2: but it gives you tools that you won't have to
28:19
Speaker 2: go back to the therapists anymore.
28:21
Speaker 3: You know. That's where it gets you. The cycle. Like
28:23
Speaker 3: we show up at the therapist.
28:24
Speaker 2: We go every week, and then you know, we're there
28:26
Speaker 2: twelve years later, and I don't know if we're better.
28:29
Speaker 2: We know more about ourselves and more educated, but we've
28:31
Speaker 2: not healed anything. And I think some I'm noticing that
28:37
Speaker 2: there's a lot of therapists that do a lot of
28:39
Speaker 2: good and they're using tools that are helping people in
28:42
Speaker 2: a lot of different ways. But I really want to
28:47
Speaker 2: see people go to the root of things and be
28:52
Speaker 2: able to heal at the core of where it comes from.
28:54
Speaker 2: And the voices in your head are coming from somewhere, right,
28:58
Speaker 2: and we have control of a percent of that, and
29:01
Speaker 2: we don't have to just settle like, oh, here's, here's
29:05
Speaker 2: a here's there's this negative thing that happened to me
29:08
Speaker 2: in my past.
29:08
Speaker 3: It doesn't have to haunt us.
29:10
Speaker 2: There's there's a there's a manual way to remove it,
29:14
Speaker 2: and there's lots of other modalities.
29:15
Speaker 3: And what I created isn't unique to me.
29:18
Speaker 2: The Buddhists have been doing this for twenty five hundred years,
29:21
Speaker 2: and there's all different types of ways to do this.
29:25
Speaker 2: You know, there's a d MR, there's hypnote therapy, there's
29:29
Speaker 2: there's a lot of different modalities that go back to
29:31
Speaker 2: the root cause, reframe it, remove it and it and
29:35
Speaker 2: then it stops haunting you.
29:38
Speaker 1: All right, Mike, how do people learn more about you
29:40
Speaker 1: and more about your course? It's the best way.
29:42
Speaker 2: Okay, So one thing, guy, I want to say thank
29:46
Speaker 2: you for having me on and I want to give
29:47
Speaker 2: your your uh, your audience a gift.
29:51
Speaker 1: Right.
29:51
Speaker 3: It just tells them on this process.
29:54
Speaker 2: And so the way you guys can find me is
29:56
Speaker 2: m would at or m would good mindset dot com
30:03
Speaker 2: backslash what a therapist?
30:07
Speaker 3: Right? Is that? What is in your name in your
30:10
Speaker 3: title of your podcast?
30:11
Speaker 1: Right, Uh yeah, trauma therapist podcast.
30:14
Speaker 2: But yeah, so backslash therapist. I got okay said trauma,
30:18
Speaker 2: but it's it's definitely therapist.
30:21
Speaker 1: So once again mwoodmindset dot com slash therapist.
30:26
Speaker 3: That's it, okay, and what it is. It's the first
30:30
Speaker 3: week of my program.
30:31
Speaker 2: You learn a bunch of manual tools to quiet your
30:33
Speaker 2: mind manually, and then I gave I created two breathwork exercises.
30:38
Speaker 3: Ones of grounding exercise get rid of a headache, and.
30:40
Speaker 2: The other one is the most powerful uh breathwork technique.
30:44
Speaker 3: That I've learned in along my way, and.
30:46
Speaker 2: It bubbles up all of your anxiety. For about the
30:49
Speaker 2: first ten minutes, you'll want to stop breathing and then
30:52
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, coom, it's gone.
30:54
Speaker 3: It's like a plane going through a cloud.
30:57
Speaker 2: And then you for the next twenty minutes you can't
31:00
Speaker 2: have a negative thought.
31:01
Speaker 3: It's the most amazing.
31:02
Speaker 2: Thing that I that I've that I've experienced by manually
31:06
Speaker 2: altering my state of consciousness.
31:09
Speaker 3: And it's I'm giving it to everybody for free.
31:11
Speaker 2: It takes about thirty minutes to do that exercise, but yeah,
31:15
Speaker 2: I just wanted everybody to have that for free.
31:17
Speaker 3: If you follow that link.
31:18
Speaker 1: Awesome, all right, we'll have that linked up here at
31:20
Speaker 1: the show notes page at the Trauma Therapist Podcast dot com,
31:23
Speaker 1: along with your website, learn to Love Being You dot com.
31:27
Speaker 3: That's correct, okay, uh.
31:30
Speaker 1: Instagram as well. Mike, you're a pretty amazing person. Your
31:34
Speaker 1: story is incredible and it's just so inspiring.
31:40
Speaker 3: Thank you.
31:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's it's so inspiring, you know, just
31:45
Speaker 1: to to from you from that image of you just
31:49
Speaker 1: as a young kid thinking what you're unlovable, you're not
31:54
Speaker 1: as smart as everyone else, on and on and on, yeah,
31:58
Speaker 1: to switching things. I think we all can just be
32:02
Speaker 1: so inspired by that. Loved it, loved meeting you.
32:06
Speaker 2: And thank you for spreading the word the way you do.
32:08
Speaker 2: Like I've listened to your show and it is absolutely amazing.
32:11
Speaker 2: You're doing the good work and every one of your
32:13
Speaker 2: shows is helping people find peace, and you were doing
32:17
Speaker 2: the good.
32:17
Speaker 3: Work, sir.
32:18
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. All right, sir, we'll be in touch.
32:21
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you guys.
32:22
Speaker 1: All right, take care