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How To Start Your Own Comic Book Company In 2025!!! (Feat. Omari Malik) · For All Nerds Show

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  Speaker 1: What's up, y'all, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: four All Nerds Show. On this episode, we welcome Omari Malik,
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  Speaker 1: the founder and publisher of Black Tooth Publishing, an independent
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  Speaker 1: black ass comedy company. What's good everybody, and welcome back
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  Speaker 1: to another episode of the four All Nerds Show. And
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  Speaker 1: as always on the four All Nerd Show, we are
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  Speaker 1: bringing you that heat and of course we have yet
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  Speaker 1: another exclusive, amazing interview in store for you. We have
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  Speaker 1: Omar Malik in the building. Amar is the founder and
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  Speaker 1: also you know, one of the creators at Black Tooth
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  Speaker 1: Publishing LLC, a Brooklyn, NY based publishing company which, like
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  Speaker 1: I said before, he founded, focused on giving creators a
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  Speaker 1: platform to express themselves unapologetically through literature. They have three
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  Speaker 1: flagship titles, A Dastra Did I get that right? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm okay good. I was pure guest, really loved it,
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  Speaker 1: but you know I had to guess of the name.
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  Speaker 1: Dogpile is their second title, which off top was my favorite,
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  Speaker 1: and State Fight. Omari was born and raised in Richmond, Virginia.
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  Speaker 1: The aight, o'fo, you already know, man, you already know. Look.
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  Speaker 1: I will get into that in a second. My lover Richmond.
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  Speaker 1: Like any great superhero story, Malite's stories run of both
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  Speaker 1: tragedy and triumph. After losing his father at seven years old,
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  Speaker 1: he turned the comic books and music as an outlet.
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  Speaker 1: And it's seventeen year old. Seventeen years old, Maliite moved
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  Speaker 1: to New York City to attend college with less than
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  Speaker 1: two hundred dollars in his name. Through prayer and perseverance,
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  Speaker 1: Malik graduated both a bachelor's degree and master's degree. Shortly
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  Speaker 1: after graduating, the inner corporate America blah blah blah got
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  Speaker 1: tired of that and turn it to a real superhero
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  Speaker 1: and found it black to publish. And I don't mean
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  Speaker 1: I got tired of your intro. I just mean you
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  Speaker 1: got tired of that world.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to four, all Nerds and Mari.
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  Speaker 3: How you feeling today, I'm good. Thank you guys so
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  Speaker 3: much for having me. I really appreciate it. And I'll
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  Speaker 3: mention it here because I mentioned it, you know before
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  Speaker 3: we recording. I have been a fan for a minute
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  Speaker 3: because of my standship for you know, Carrie Randolph and
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  Speaker 3: Brandon Thomas and all those guys. So I've been with
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  Speaker 3: four a minute, man, so this means allowed to be able.
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  Speaker 4: To be here, and as I've been doing, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: give you praise for listening and doing what we asked.
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  Speaker 4: Make sure if you have any projects, you have any
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  Speaker 4: amazing things you're working on, to hit us up. That's
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  Speaker 4: what a Mari's team did, and that's why we got
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  Speaker 4: to read all of his great work and have him
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  Speaker 4: on the show the day to talk to him. So
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  Speaker 4: please make sure you're hitting us up. Contact thefoall nerds
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  Speaker 4: dot com. Thank you so, Cary, you've read through that.
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  Speaker 4: I guess what we got, Like the full compilation, I
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  Speaker 4: had all three titles in it, right, all right, I
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  Speaker 4: want to start because I think that's probably our favorite one.
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  Speaker 2: Dog Pile tell us like for people who.
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  Speaker 4: Don't who's never read it, like and all, it just
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  Speaker 4: sees this black ey surrounded by a bunch of dogs.
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  Speaker 4: Can you give them some more context about what this
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  Speaker 4: story is about?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'll give you guys, like the quick convention pitch.
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  Speaker 3: I do a bunch of conventions, so random people walk
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  Speaker 3: up to my table, I like to tell them, hey man,
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  Speaker 3: Dog Pile ta manga. The main character loses his family
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  Speaker 3: in a mysterious accident. Now alongside seven Dogs, is trying
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  Speaker 3: to figure out what happened to just kind of go
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  Speaker 3: about his day and you know, live life and try
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  Speaker 3: to be on the upside of everything. So that's the
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  Speaker 3: short version with I'll give him away too much initially,
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  Speaker 3: but obviously, you know, we'll talk more about everything, but
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  Speaker 3: you know, feel free to fire away or if you
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  Speaker 3: let me go out will rainbow all times.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's you know, back up a little bit, because
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  Speaker 1: you founded the whole Black Tooth, you know, and everything,
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  Speaker 1: and you were working in corporate America, you know, toiling
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  Speaker 1: away and the minds and trenches and so what really,
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  Speaker 1: what was your moment when you were like, oh man,
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  Speaker 1: fuck all this, I gotta you know, what I gotta do.
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  Speaker 3: So I'll say, well, there's there's technically two moments, so
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  Speaker 3: and I guess I'll start it for me. I've always
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  Speaker 3: been a comic book kid. Like my dad was a
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  Speaker 3: big comic book collector. So my dad, I grew up
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  Speaker 3: around long boxing. So and when I say long boxes,
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  Speaker 3: like I grew up around like nineties DC Milestone Image,
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  Speaker 3: like those nineties books like I've had. I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: know he's getting in a bit of craziness online. But
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  Speaker 3: I grew up around so many Chuck dicks and books,
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  Speaker 3: so many Todd McFarlin books, like so many Denny O'Neil
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  Speaker 3: books and No Man's Land and all that nineties, you know,
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  Speaker 3: comic book stuff. So that was always in my house.
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  Speaker 3: And I like to laugh and tell people it's like
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  Speaker 3: I was a marketing person's dream in the early two
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  Speaker 3: thousand slash late nineties, because if you had a cartoon
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  Speaker 3: and a toy, I was going to yell in Walmart
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  Speaker 3: or KB Toys until I got it. So I was
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  Speaker 3: always in that short of into that sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And I didn't realize that people worked at Marble or DC,
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  Speaker 3: Like I didn't realize that was a job. Like I
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  Speaker 3: just saw names on books and I was like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 3: they clearly made everything. Especially when you're reading like Image
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  Speaker 3: books or Milestone books and you're seeing Dwayne McDuffie's name there,
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  Speaker 3: and then it's like he also created Static. You're seeing
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  Speaker 3: Ton's name, and he created Spawn and you know, I'm
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  Speaker 3: also early two thousands of kids, so it's like you're
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  Speaker 3: seeing Toriyama and he created dragon ball Z see Kishimoto
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  Speaker 3: and he created an arts so it was like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: if I want to do this, I have to make
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  Speaker 3: my own stuff. And so it started there. So I'm
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  Speaker 3: always kind of like doodling, Like I never was a
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  Speaker 3: kid that was trying to draw Batman three hundred times.
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  Speaker 3: Like I was trying to draw my own stuff and
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  Speaker 3: make my own stuff. And I had parents that you know,
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  Speaker 3: when you when you grow up in Richmond and you
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  Speaker 3: say you want to be a power book artist or
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  Speaker 3: comic book writer, you know, you look around and it's like,
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  Speaker 3: we don't do that here. That's unheard of. So they
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  Speaker 3: pushed me into you know, for good reason, and I
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  Speaker 3: really appreciate it. They pushed me in a direction to
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  Speaker 3: do something practical, which is why I ended up going
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  Speaker 3: to Saint John's and getting a bachelor's and getting a master's.
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  Speaker 3: But after I graduated, like I literally just sat there
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  Speaker 3: like with my degree, before I'm about to start grad school.
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  Speaker 3: I liked to my girlfriend at the time, I was like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to do this, Like I have a
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  Speaker 3: job lined up them up to start grad school, but
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  Speaker 3: like this is never what I wanted to do. Like
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  Speaker 3: I'm a comic book kid that's in the punk rock
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  Speaker 3: like I don't want to work in a cubicle. But
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  Speaker 3: then I got to. Then, you know, I started the job,
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  Speaker 3: made money, good money, and you enjoyed that and kind
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  Speaker 3: of got distracted until like the pandemic hit and when
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't going into the office every day and there
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  Speaker 3: wasn't waste for me to waste my money on Jordan's
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  Speaker 3: and all types of other things, I was like not
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  Speaker 3: spending as much money. I've been constantly rewriting every TV
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  Speaker 3: show I've ever seen. Every time I watch something I
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  Speaker 3: pissed people off, and I'm like, this would be really
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  Speaker 3: cool if this happened, or they should have done this instead.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, I went back to my mother's house,
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  Speaker 3: pulled up those old sketch books and just got started,
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  Speaker 3: like you literally just got to work and came up
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  Speaker 3: with ideas and like I I mean, even though we're
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  Speaker 3: not together, I always have to shout out my axe
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  Speaker 3: because she really pushed me in the direction of like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I came up with ideas because it was like,
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  Speaker 3: all right, I want to start. I don't want to
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  Speaker 3: just be a one title guy. You know. It's like
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  Speaker 3: if I want to come up with books, I want
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  Speaker 3: to come up with multiple things too. I have a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of different interests, and you know, I like a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of different stuff. And originally I was going to
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  Speaker 3: launch for four titles, and one of them she was like,
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  Speaker 3: it's god awful, which made me like scrap that to
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  Speaker 3: you know, kind of bring dog Palus to the forefront.
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  Speaker 3: She told me another thing was kind of reductive, so
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  Speaker 3: I scrapped that and like stole the villain from that
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  Speaker 3: and made him the main character and snake Bite and
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  Speaker 3: you know, a dast was pretty clean and Dasher was
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  Speaker 3: the most solid idea, didn't have to go through any
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  Speaker 3: you know, ex girlfriend revisions and you know, and then
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  Speaker 3: here we are.
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  Speaker 1: So but so your second moment was when COVID hit
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  Speaker 1: and you're just like, okay, I just need to do
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  Speaker 1: something other than this exactly.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like the first moment, like I said, definitely
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  Speaker 3: graduating and getting ready to start working and be like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I really don't want to do this. This is not
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  Speaker 3: what I want to do. But then you know, I
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  Speaker 3: was tentre deep in that at that point, like I
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  Speaker 3: had to degree already signed the offer letter, so did
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  Speaker 3: it and enjoyed it. And then when COVID happened and
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  Speaker 3: things slowed down. I was like, oh, yeah, I didn't
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  Speaker 3: want to do this. I shouldn't be enjoying this, Like
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  Speaker 3: this isn't what I want. I got to get out
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  Speaker 3: of here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And like you were saying you grew up DC
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  Speaker 1: and it, I was like the opposite, because I was
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  Speaker 1: definitely marveled. Like even when you say Chuck Didson and
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  Speaker 1: he's done some on the band and I'm like, I
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  Speaker 1: can't evenmber what he wrote back there. I know the name,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't, you know, like I have no idea
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  Speaker 1: what Chuck wrote, you know, back then or now?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, now, Chuck is he was big in the night
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  Speaker 3: Wing he oh that's right, yeah, night Wing also like Robinson,
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  Speaker 3: well Tim Drake as Robin at first solo series.
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  Speaker 1: I have that. I think I met him. Yeah wow,
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  Speaker 1: all right, yeah way back then. I think I did
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  Speaker 1: when that joint came out. But now my other question
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  Speaker 1: on that note was, so you're already an artist, you're
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  Speaker 1: already a writer, you're already a creative, but you're also
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  Speaker 1: diving full into the world of publishing and all this,
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  Speaker 1: and I assume you pretty much knew nothing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'll say you.
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  Speaker 1: Get in like, you know, for people who want to
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  Speaker 1: know this, you know, because I mean you already had
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  Speaker 1: the stills at least, but the business side of it
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  Speaker 1: is a whole other thing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So that's why I can be mad at my parents
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  Speaker 3: for like pushing me to go to school because I
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  Speaker 3: have a business degree. Like I have a bachelor's depress management,
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  Speaker 3: and then I got an NBA and executive management and
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  Speaker 3: I was a broker, so I was a finance bro
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  Speaker 3: and you know, being a broker, being a finance bro like,
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  Speaker 3: I had to learn a bunch of different aspects of
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  Speaker 3: business because I'm obviously acting on other people's behalf. So
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  Speaker 3: you know, bringing myself up to speed with an industry
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  Speaker 3: or familiarizing myself with something is just a skill set
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  Speaker 3: that I have, Like you know, being able to being
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  Speaker 3: a risk being, having a bachelors in risk management and
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  Speaker 3: being able to jump into something and accept the risk.
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  Speaker 3: You know, trying to come up with strategies is a
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  Speaker 3: skill you know that works for me. Man, I like
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  Speaker 3: the problem solve. I'm a storyteller, so you know that
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  Speaker 3: aspect of it in the business world, like being able
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  Speaker 3: to read books, and you know, I wrote I read
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  Speaker 3: so many books like how to write books, you know,
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  Speaker 3: how to start a business book, like how to get
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  Speaker 3: into publishing, like publishing for Dummies and all those things.
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  Speaker 3: So looking at that obviously like muscle watching documentaries, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you watch the rise of images, you watch all these
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  Speaker 3: things of how people did it, and you know that
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  Speaker 3: was a big aspect of it, like a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: like research. It's just understanding in my general business knowledge.
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  Speaker 3: And then I also like want to shout out, I'm
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  Speaker 3: a mentor man, so like I was a comic, I'm
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  Speaker 3: a comic book kid. So I used to go in
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  Speaker 3: to conventions being small creators. And one of those small
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  Speaker 3: creators that I met and I reached out to was
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  Speaker 3: Greg Anderson LSA the creative is not. And you know
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  Speaker 3: I reached out to Greg. I'm like, hey, man, like
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  Speaker 3: I understand all this practically, like I got the numbers
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  Speaker 3: of figuring it out. I've read the books I read,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Alan Moore's book on how to write out
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  Speaker 3: of read Bendis's book, like Dinny O'Neill's, like I done
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  Speaker 3: read everything, how you really do this? And you know,
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  Speaker 3: shout out to Greg for my gatekeeping and being super
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  Speaker 3: helpful and you know, walking me through and telling me
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  Speaker 3: different things and putting me on a lot of game.
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  Speaker 3: Those soft skills of having a mentor and then having
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  Speaker 3: a practical knowledge made it a very easy transition. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not going to say it was smooth and like painless,
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  Speaker 3: like you know, dealing with people, dealing with artists, being
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  Speaker 3: able to navigate, you know, making sure you line things
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  Speaker 3: up correctly for a printer and understanding dimensions like it's
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  Speaker 3: a learning curve like anything. But I was able to
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  Speaker 3: avoid a lot of pitfalls that I know some artists
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  Speaker 3: that aren't as business minded, you know, kind of fall
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  Speaker 3: victim to.
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  Speaker 1: So what would be one of the big pitfalls that
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  Speaker 1: you managed to avoid for people who are trying to
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  Speaker 1: get into this themselves.
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  Speaker 3: One pitfall is over asking. And when I say over asking,
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  Speaker 3: like over asking for like, if you see somebody's art
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  Speaker 3: and it looks really cool on Instagram and like they
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  Speaker 3: might not have a portfolio, You're like, oh, like let
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  Speaker 3: me see some mower stuff.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like.
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  Speaker 3: Because just like people understand what a portfolio is, but
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  Speaker 3: the portfolios for your highlights, you put your best stuff there.
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  Speaker 3: But it's like if you're drawing a book, you have
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  Speaker 3: to draw street, you have to draw an apple on
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  Speaker 3: the table, you know, so you want to ask to
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  Speaker 3: see as much as possible. You also like when I
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  Speaker 3: say like not being afraid to ask, Like you want
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  Speaker 3: to jump into a book, like I would tell people
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  Speaker 3: if you're coming up with a cast of characters, you
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  Speaker 3: don't need somebody to draw turnarounds for fifty characters or
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  Speaker 3: the mom and dad. But it doesn't hurt to ask
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  Speaker 3: for a sketch to make sure the main characters' parents
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  Speaker 3: look like them, you know, just like little solve things.
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  Speaker 3: And then like it costs to be a boss, like
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  Speaker 3: if you know good art costs. You know. Also, this
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  Speaker 3: is a small community, so everybody's trying to make a living,
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  Speaker 3: So I don't believe in being cheap to people like
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  Speaker 3: I just everybody can negotiate. But I'm not low balling
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  Speaker 3: any artists, like I'm not trying to stop anybody from eating.
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  Speaker 3: We all have to do this. So if it takes
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  Speaker 3: a while for me to raise the capital for a book,
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  Speaker 3: or if I have to save, or what should be
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  Speaker 3: a forty page book needs to be twenty because the
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  Speaker 3: artist cost a little bit more, and whatnot.
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  Speaker 2: You have to make those adjustments and how do you
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  Speaker 2: raise money for a book?
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  Speaker 3: So for me, because I've been a bit of a
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  Speaker 3: finance bro, like luckily, I've had a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: startup capital that I was able to do my own.
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  Speaker 3: And then at this point, after my initial investment that
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  Speaker 3: I made of like personal like you know, balls to
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  Speaker 3: the wall money, now it's I go to conventions often.
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  Speaker 3: I literally just got back from Boston. I was a
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  Speaker 3: Boston fan x well. And then for me, I also
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  Speaker 3: did a kickstarter, So I did a kickstarter for pre orders,
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  Speaker 3: like I fronted the money to make the initial book,
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  Speaker 3: and then the kickstarter is to you know, raise more
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  Speaker 3: money for the next thing. In addition to that, also
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  Speaker 3: raised money for printing and whatnot.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, good, And the reason why we asked like this
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  Speaker 4: is really critical information and it's really helpful because we
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  Speaker 4: have a lot of careers as you know, that are
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  Speaker 4: listening to this and watching this and trying to figure
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  Speaker 4: out how did you get to where you got? And
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: with all of that said, like I do want to
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  Speaker 4: go into inspiration, Like now you have your this big
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  Speaker 4: background about where you came from and what you've gone through,
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  Speaker 4: so what inspired these stories?
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  Speaker 3: So I like to every story is kind of inspired
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  Speaker 3: by an aspect of my life or you know, or
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  Speaker 3: a hypothesis of what would happen if this were to
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  Speaker 3: go on. And like I know, we initially started talking
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  Speaker 3: about dog Pou, dog Pout to me is about light
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  Speaker 3: about life and dealing with trauma and just dealing with grief.
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  Speaker 3: Like that's kind of what that story is about. And
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  Speaker 3: I liken it to me being in my early twenties
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  Speaker 3: and fresh out of college and like knowing I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to do something, but not knowing what I wanted to do.
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  Speaker 3: And if you read that book, I hope people get
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  Speaker 3: that feeling from the main character to Kwan, it's like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, he wants to do good. He's just trying
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  Speaker 3: to make it through, but it's like, what does that
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  Speaker 3: bigger purpose so that good really look like? When we
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  Speaker 3: have so many other things going on, you know, when
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  Speaker 3: life just you know, life is life and it's not
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  Speaker 3: always highs or lows or even like you can't help
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  Speaker 3: you can't help what's going on. So you know, being
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  Speaker 3: able to encapsulate that into a book, you know, for
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  Speaker 3: a dashtra that's inspired by my younger sister. I'm a
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  Speaker 3: younger sister, that's a Gemini and for that anybody that's
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: in the Zodia XN like to say geminis to multiple people.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: So that's kind of a hypothesis of when you tell
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: somebody they can be anything they want, what happens if
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: they really can't? Like what happens when you can shape
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: shift and you can be anything you want to be
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: and you're struggling to be yourself, you know. And last
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: when I least, like with snake Bite, like I was,
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: I mentioned it like I was a punk rock kid.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: So I started playing guitar, like when I got into
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: eighth grade and like ninth grade, and that was a
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: crucial time for me because while I was starting to
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: stay in the house to learn how to play guitar, like,
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: my friends in my neighborhood started to go outside. And
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: when I say go outside, like, that's when that's when
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: trouble started finding us. You know, that's when the older
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: that's when you know.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: It to do. But cook shout clips exactly. That's Virginia.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what you know, things started being being real.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: It's like, oh, yeah, we don't like them because they
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: go to this other high school. They all now and
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: they drive and you saw them coming through the neighborhood like, oh,
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: oh oh wait, that's what they calling their crew. Now,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: oh we got to come up with a name for us.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: Are they wearing them colors? Like those sort of things
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: started happening, and it's like, those are also the people
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: I went to school with. Those are the people that
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: lived that the street from me. Those are the people
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: I hung out with all the time as I was
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: doing something new and playing guitar. It's like, had I
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: not found punk rock and like wanted to pretend I
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: was like in Suicide Silence or all these other death
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: metal and hardcore bands, Like.
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: I was going to ask you, what are you listening to?
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, you're still punk rock. I see the gauges
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: in your ear. You're clearly still on that on that
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: type of time. Okay, so we're talking about death metal, Okay,
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: So I would say I was.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: I was a seene kid. Like if anybody the people
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: that know, they'll know like I.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Was in early two thousands types of exactly.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: So I was seeing kid like it started off with
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: like Green Day and my Chemical Romance, and then it
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: just started getting heavier and heavier and being from Richmond,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Like we have a very big hardcore punk scene, so
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: like all those straight auts hardcore bands. Man, it's like
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: hate breed down, nothing, embracefore and like very intense things
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: that would make you know, people clutch their paroles and
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: stuff like. That was what I was all about. But
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: that's what I kind of wanted to sneak back to
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: be like all of our decisions and you know, having
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: one foot in and one foot out and trying to
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: navigate that, especially when you get something that might be
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: unexpected like Superpower.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it seems like these stories are like kind
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: of portions and elements of your own life just intertwined
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: with fantasy, intertwined with you mentioned, you know, even anime,
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: and then of course the typical superhero stuff.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah for sure, for sure, for sure, that's very cool.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: I really like how I mean talk about how it's
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: inspired by your own life. And this is something that
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I really enjoyed when writers can do without making it
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: like the straight up to be corny basically is to
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: jet like blackness into the writing, but not when pandering,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: you know, like or you know this with the you
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: know whities will think is black, you know type of right,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: like in Dog Pile when the dog and just the
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: dog's dialogue throughout the book is one of my favorite
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: parts about it because they're just so semi abrasive. You know,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: they're not you know, they're they're very straight up to Homie,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: like they don't pull any punches with them. But just
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: when the dog was saying, how you know, oh she
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: got them church lady arms. You know, I know she
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: can cook. And that just hit me in my soul
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: because you know, I grew up in a Baptist church
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: and church lady arms used to actually steer me when
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I was little, like women, when women had the big giant.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I was like, yo that, you know, that's a lot
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: of arms, but you know they can cook. Yeah.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: The stories are very unapological, unapologetically black American code, and
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: I mean that's you are a black man in America,
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: and it's just really refreshing to get stories that reflect that, like, yeah,
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: you have black CREATI ay things like that, but even
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: the names of the characters that you chose, that's it
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: feels very Black American. And I know that there are
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: a lot there are a lot of people who feel
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: like there's not enough attention put on the fact that
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: a lot of the the black culture kind of stems
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: from Black America, So I like that that's kind of
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: centered here too.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's definitely, you know, that was something I wanted
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: to do, like even with the mission statement for the
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: company to be unapologetic, like being such a media kid
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: like you hearing things of like, oh, Dave Chappelle left
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: The Chappelle Show because they were telling him what to do.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Aaron McGruder left, you know, Boondocks because they were telling
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: him what to do. It's like, that's another reason why
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: I'm so passionate about wanting to do my own things,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: because I want to be able to do whatever I
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: want to do and have people that if you don't know,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: you won't know and you won't understand that it means
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: something for people like like you guys mentioned like with
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: the names like I have a weirder name, like granted,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: my name is like a musclem name of Martin Leak,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: but it's like I've never been able to go to,
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: you know, a touristy shop and find my name on
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: a keychain and things like that, or exact like being
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: being in a situation where you know, I never walked
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: in the store and been able to see that. But
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: it's like I grew up in a neighborhood where I
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: knew several day kwans. I knew lass, like, yeah, this
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: is typical. That was such a common name. But it's
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: like I can't think of a main character named the Kwan.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: I can't think of the main character name a Desia
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: or you know, Imani's or you know, like all names
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: that to me, like I was normal, Like if I
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: put my old I knew in high school, I knew
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: I went to school with a girl named two million, like.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Two million, two million dollars.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Two million was her name.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: I swear to God, wherever you are, two million, I
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: hope you got two or three million by this point.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: God.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: But it's like I hope that name came true for you.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: You know, she couldn't afford a car name the daughter
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: of Like.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Like I'm not joking, Like that was like bro, Like
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I used to date someone from Richard for a very
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: long time, so I've been there. I used to call
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: that a two hotel town, but you know it's not
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: the biggest of cities, you know what I mean? And
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: should go down when in them little towns.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Virginia is, especially when you're on I ninety five, you
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: can't get down south without coming to Richmond.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I'm like Christopher Burg rowing up Harrisburg, Blacksburg. It doesn't
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: matter which of them towns you in Virginia. He's a problem.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: You mess around, you gonna find out.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, we both really liked all the different
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: art styles for all the stories through through all the books,
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: Like the art was unique in every story and it
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: was different, and I think that's like what's more popular
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: that popular now, Like even though there are different stories
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: when you read it as an anthology, like being able
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: to go through different environments and different characters and just
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: seeing it presented in a different way, you know, from
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: illustration like that as you see that in things like
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Spider Verse, right, you said, and I just started watching
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: to Be hero X. I don't know if we watched that,
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: but like being able to see that and then kind
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: of work through that and have your own imagination about
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: what the characters could sound like things like that, Like,
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: I think that's really makes the stories and just makes
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: your work that much more interesting.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate that. That was another thing that it's
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: like I don't want to say it's super calculated, like
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: I'm some mastermind and give myself a bunch of products.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: But it's like I wanted everything out of different feel
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: like a dancer for all intents and purposes. It's a
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: teen drama, like I wanted it to look like a
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Saturday morning cartoon, you know, Dolfoule. I wanted it to
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: have that manga edge to it, like I wanted it
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: to be manga driven, and for Snake White, like I
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: wanted it to feel almost like every comic book on
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: the shelf, like something that you might see from Answer whatever,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Marvel and GC book. But it's like a story that
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: you can never get from one of those companies where
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: it's like this gets fresh out of Juvie and he
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: has tattoos, he's tatted up, like what is happening here?
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: And then also like in Snake Bite, it's not just
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: that he's fresh out of jeuviy, but it's all said
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: that he's just a normal black kid trying to make
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: it And like I love that because their minded me
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: and me and my friends in high school, you know,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: lying about girls. You know, I wasn't hugged up on her.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: You know, I got her number and all that when
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: you know she took his number, etcetera.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: It's all that type of thing. It's a really human
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: take on these characters. Instead of just being like, well,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: you know, he's a juvenile delinqud you know, and you know,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: and how can you avoid the gang life you know
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: and all that type of stuff, It's more like, Yo,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: how can you get this girl and avoid I mean,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: you know, we all have to avoid the game life
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: as well, but we're all trying to just live life
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And like you mentioned, like especially like with the
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: gang aspect being a big part of it, It's like,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: I feel like people don't necessarily always hear accurate stories
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: of when you're in those scenarios because if you listen
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: to drill music or you listen to you know, more
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: aggressive hip hop, it seems like everybody's an aggressive But
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: when you live in those neighborhoods, bro, everybody everybody playing defense. Yeah,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: everybody's playing defense. Man, we don't. And even on both sides,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: everybody's playing defense. Like when they get to the party,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: the guys that live in that neighborhood at the party
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: are like, why are they here? Yeah, they're just as
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: defensive of why are they here as we don't do
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: anything for me.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: It's always like, ah, these North Side gonna be up
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: in here, and I oh, it's gonna be a problem
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: tonight because on the South side, you know, and that's
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: how it goes.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely appreciate the fact that you just provided real
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: situations that they again has been mentioned. That reminds me
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: of like the Spider Man neighbor Friendly neighborhood Spider Man,
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: where like, you know, there was a gang part and
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: it's just like it's the typical like wrong side of
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: the tracks and now I gotta get my life right,
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: Like there's nothing wrong with that.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: It's just like, can.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: I just have a story where it's just like, you know,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: I'm just trying to be mentioned meet this girl, or
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: you know, I me and my brother's going to seven
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: to eleven, you know, just some something regular. Like I
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: think there's a lack of just stories about regular occurrences
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: that happen every day.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: You know, me and my friends sitting on a stoop
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: talking to each other about.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Whatever like that.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: It seems to happen very rarely in comics and story
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: orson even more so in stories that are centered on
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: black characters.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: For sure. For sure.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: That said, though, I do appreciate whole sneak fite in
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: the days you're representing like two black kids from different worlds,
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: different backgrounds. Like I think that's also important, right, Like,
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: so everybody's not in this holy negative situation. No, not
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: everybody's in juvie and all other stuff. There's also girls
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: who have the mother and the father and sister, the brother.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Everybody's there.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: You have all the resources in the world and you
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: just not trying to You're not all that type of time.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: You just want to you know, you just want to
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: go what did they seen in the comedy show? You
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: just wanted to have big fun in Baltimore, right, And
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: sometimes that's how it is.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: And you know, again, as mentioned, we really appreciate that.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean a lot of people we always
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: say like black culture isn't a monolith, But then the
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: moment we don't see something that aligns from where we
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: came from, we kind of attack it to be like
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: this is weird or this is different, and this is that.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: But it's like I wanted to be able to show
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: both and not say that one was better than the other.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Like you know, I also I would say I'm not
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: a happy Indians guy. And when I say I'm not
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: a happy in These guy, it's like in life, I
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: don't believe in happy indings because in life, you wake
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: up the next day, even the best day of your life,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: like the next day, like not to say it'll be terrible,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: but it's like after your wedding, like that next day,
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: you still got to clean up the reception hall, you
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: got to do all that sort of stuff. So you know,
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: like with my stories, you know, I just try to
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: make it as normal as possible. So you know, like
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: at the end of dog Pole, like it's not a tragedy,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: you know, it's not a super win. Same thing with
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: a dash for It's like I did all this and
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: then life goes on. The same thing with Snake, but
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: it's like, all right, this is cool. But it's like
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: they didn't They're not to say nothing was fixed, but
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: it's like there's more world, Like we have to wake
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: up tomorrow. Things are still going on. Like my stepdad's
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: still my stepdad. I still don't like him. He still
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: doesn't like me, Like you know, stuff is still happening,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: like I know that.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Like, oh my goodness, I know that life.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: That's also good because you want to give people something
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: more when they come back for issue too and go on.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: So you know you can't just solve everything in the
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: pilot episode otherwise have five seasons of course, of.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: Course, And I will say that your stories do differ
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: and have any perspectives enough where people of that respond
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: to like different approaches, will like that.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Like I think you could.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: You could grab a very wide set of people with
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: how you've done it. From the way the animation stocks
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: like ID thatsked her she It's very cute.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: It's like very cute, see like really bright colors.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: I like the lines there, and then you have something
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: that's like dog Pile's more like Grungey Sharper lines like
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: I think you will as someone who likes animation and
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: different illustrations like and respond differently depending on how it's
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: his it's presented.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: I think you're going to get different people too.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Ben.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Did you have any more questions here because I think not.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: No, I did have one more about the art. So
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: you did the art on all three of these books.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: So no, I hire different artists. I am the guy
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: that gets very terrible outlines and layouts and clean up
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: everything about I.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Was like, damn, this man over here cooking art everything.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, that'd be amazing. But now I saw that
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: art work involved.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and how you know, since we're mentioned them, you
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: know how that team come together, just like mentioned people
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: you just saw on the internet and was like that
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: come through or.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: A little bit. So when I like, that's what I
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: mean when I say you always like it doesn't hurt
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: to ask for different things, like with dog Pile, like
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: a little bit of trial and error, like you can't
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: avoid that. That's a part of the process of like
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: finding a guy that I thought was good and then
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: it's like, all right, man, you have those phages done.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: It's like, no, it's been a week. Oh my god,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: well it's been three weeks. It's like all right, bro,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: like I have to move on. And you know with Snake, right,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: it's like, oh, this guy's art is really good, Like, oh,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: why does this not look like what's in his portfolio?
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: You know? And happening okay exactly, so you know happen.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: But that's why I tell people like you have to
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: vet things. It's always okay to ask for a question
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: and like it costs. It calls to be a boss
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: and they're like, you want this many revisions, you want this,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: You want me to do a test sketch, Like I'm
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: not doing a test sketch for free, Like wow, it costs,
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: and you know it's a part of the process because
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: you know, for me, I'm because I was raised on
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Big two books, which are the highest level of professionality
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: when it comes to making comics. M I have a
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: very keen eye to where it's hard for me to
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: see something and like it be a terrible comic book
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, like it's hard for me not
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: to accept like great artwork and you know, even not
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: be critical on myself where I'm like, I know I
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: can't do this, Like I need someone to come here
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: and like do this properly.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: So you know, yeah, awareness is key, Yeah, very very key.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Right. Sure. I think you survived the interview portion of
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: For All Nerds show, and you know, as a long
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: term listener, I know you know what comes next. We
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: have the rap sentiment, rapid fire questions. Yeah, I mean
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: hopefully hopefully you've been practicing these all these years you've
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: been listening. So we shall see Luke Cage or black Panther.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Black Panther, because I don't think I could come up
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: with a Luke CA's pitch, but if I needed to,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: if I was on a spot, I could come I
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: have a black panther pitch in the back my back pocket.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Very good.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Magneto Professor X Magneto, The Wire are Breaking Bad, The.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Wire except I hate I hate everything in season two
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: that doesn't have to do a Springer a lot.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: So, wow, you just dispredited. I mean you might have
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: said breaking bad and kept your you know, like.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Just breaking bad. I like Breaking Bad. Breaking Back is solid,
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: definitely like one of them. It's a solid show. But
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: I love the why more I tell you.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: But if you got it, you might need to go
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: rewatch season two.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Brothers. I didn't care about the long Showman or.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: The girls, and I didn't I did it. I get it.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: That's how the drugs got there.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: But yeah, there it is. You said it. There it is.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: It's it's a genius of the show. Plus it's a
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: great story.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: I hated what was his.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Name, sigg or Come on, man, you hate he's got
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: the best he's got the best going out line ever
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: is what I am? That's character? You get it.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: All right? My Chemical Romance or Fallout Boy.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: And I definitely m c R. Because they're also common
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: guys like Wade and they both made comics.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Brother Academy. I didn't really like it, but you know,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: they made it.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Like the book, you didn't like the show.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I like the Bush. Yeah, the show definitely. I fell off. Yeah,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: I fell off hard. That that's the show where it's like, yo,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: there were no black people in that writer's room because
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the way that the way they treat time travel on
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: black people. So you're like, sure, guy, okay, I guess yeah.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: In the book, I just I liked it, it was
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: just doom Patrol, you know, yeah, yeah, it's two Patrol.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: It's it's you know, it's you know, it's well done
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: doom Patrol. But yeah, but that's not you know, it's
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: all you know, if you you know, copy, you know,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: imitation of the greatest former flattery, et cetera, how you
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: do it. I ain't mad at that. And it was
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: well done, and then they got a whole show out
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: of it. So you know, Superman or Batman.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Batman, Star Wars or Star Trek.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: I have a controversial take here. I'm gonna say Star
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Wars because I'm a very good star. I'm a baby
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: big Star Wars, and I kind of hate Star Trek,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: but I love it. Just doesn't do anything for me.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: But this is the hot trick. I love Star Trek parody,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: like I love the Black Mirror episode that's like a
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Star Trek. Yeah, anything that's like a Star Trek parody.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Or about that the Orpheus was exactly.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: From Family Guy.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: That ship is the Orville Orville.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love stuff that spoofs or parody Star Trek,
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: but actually Star Trek exactly, actual Star Trek, like.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: That clown Star Trek.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: Not know you don't you know Star Star Trek exactly,
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: No problem, you know, I'm certain that what's the same.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Like I like, I like certain Star Trek though, but
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I also love like Galaxy Quest was my joint. That
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Black Mirror episode of one of the few I've ever watch.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: That's like, yeah, yeah, you're right. I never don't about that.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Even like the Futurama episodes. Yeah, this is awesome.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Oh. I used to love it when they pown it
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: on a living color. That's because I'm trying to think of, like,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: what was the earliest clowning of Star Trek. I saw
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: and in living color, and I thought.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: Anybody doing the Williams Shattner in personally?
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: I love But I just sit there and watch an
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: actual Star Trek episode.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Jason Clark is coming back on the show to rip
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: you a new one.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I see, like, yeah, somebody do the wild out Shatner impersonation.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Didn't watch Shatner do it himself? Right? I didn't. I
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: never thought about it like that. But that is all right,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: that's a great one. What's your favorite superhero movie of
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: all time? Oh?
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: This is I love Black Panther. Before Black Panther, I
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: would have said the First Store. I loved that First
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Store movie. Wow, I don't know what that That really
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: did it for me.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Controversy is the name of the game today, folks.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: For what you said, those are obviously great. I mean
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: I was there day one, like for the Dark Night,
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: So I love that. Like that back when you could
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: go to a movie theater and get little lift little
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: gramds and go to Circuit City and like buy the
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: DVD and get little prizes and toys like that, like.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Man, you threw it back, he said, Circus City.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I was all over it about that store, First City.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: It's like when you buy the DVD, like you get
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: a little like a bobble head ten sets like stuff
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: like that. Like I love stuff like that. I really did,
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: like Zack Snyder's watching him when that came out.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Have you ever read the book?
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: I did, but like I I had to be great.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I was like in seventh or eighth grade.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: And I was all over that, Like that's over.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Seven eighth grade when the movie came out.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Exactly, and I was still super into it, like I
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: have well on this bookshelf.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: If I was eighth grade, maybe too, but yeah, exactly.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: I loved it, loved it even when another one that
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: like that, the First in City, not a dame to
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: kill for the First in City movie. That's like a
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: big one for me. But I would say Black Panther,
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Black Panther is my one.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: You said, keep it, keep it on until we're gonna
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: get that black.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: That's the good cari to say before Black Panther.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I mean I would have said that, but it was
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: still good.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: But I give you that. I wouldn't have said that
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: if Black Panther never came out.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: We're with you, man.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I was amazed if somebody came on here and said, so,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: you know, stand on it. That's what I mean. You
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: gots stand on telling.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: You one of my favorite movie anytimes. When he's in
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: the cafe and he drinks the coffee, yeah small, this
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: is a glass like another one. I'm like, this is me.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I love this.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: I was like, people should never make me famous because
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: I'm walking in restaurants and smashing glasses and saying another like.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I stand on my iron Man three low.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: So you can stand on.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: That, oh God, and any medium like a book, movie song, whatever.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: What's character's death hurt you the most.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: People are gonna call you crazy for this one.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: But Bishop when he gets toasted in uh.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: No, Bishop from Juice when he falls sho.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Oh with Bishop falls.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Off the roof of Juice, I was like, my man,
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: he had murdered the crew.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: It's not complete.
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: Bo I was there like, no, I love Tupac more
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: than this man, but I'm still like that manant was
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: you know it was time for Bishop to go?
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Did I want him to get rid of everybody. But
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: it's like it's for me, Like I said, I like village,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: So it's like I wanted him to pull I wanted
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: him to pull up Q and then like clap up
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: in Q fall like I wanted.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: You ain't got the juice.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Now, like like like obviously a psychopathic like when he's.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: You do know that that's how the movie ends, right then, No,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, because I'm not sure I seen you. Like, well, okay, well,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Tupac is dropped off a building by q Omar and
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: then Omar EPs then walks back like because you're not
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: at the top of roof, So he walked back to
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: the people were standing there watching, you know, because they're
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: all standing by the door to the roof, and a
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: random dude who has never seen or spoken to Omar's
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: character this whole movie, he says, you got the juice now,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: like nobody is all that in there in this whole movie.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Because you guys, see the.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Name of the movie. In the movie, you're not like
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: you've have been talking about how you know, if you
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: kill somebody, you get the juice or something. This is
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: blood thurstay cycles mind.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: You been doing things that would have gotten them juice,
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: like taking care of his bullies where he could have
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: earned juice when doing.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: That, or he murders his whole crew. It's a psycho
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: path and then it's dumped off ability by his best
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: friend you know, who's really obviously tractically hurt at this
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: whole sequence of events, and some random other sociopaths is
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: telling him how he's got to choose. It's one of
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: the greatest endings of any movie you ever made.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: So ridiculous if you watch it, watch it. I want
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: you to watch it in between two horribles like don't
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: just watch it.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Don't watch it's like a palate cleanser.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: No movie until it's like I don't want to.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I'm a laugh at No.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: No, I don't. A lot of people watch Juice as
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: if like, oh, we're gonna watch Friday, We're gonna.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Watch know what it's about.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: It ain't that, but but people think it's an urban
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: you know, like whatever movie not even on a Friday,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Minister Society or you know, but it's a it's straight up,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: it really is a horror movie as.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: A horror movie, like don't watch it, Like oh, yeah,
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: we're gonna watch Juice.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: And then boys and yeah, no, yeah, I feel you. Yeah,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: because it's straight up it's a horror movie.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Watch Carrying Juice and then My Bloody Valentine and like
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: you're gonna have a great double feature.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Juice reclassified as horror that's crazy, and Tupac is one
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: of the greatest horror Freddy Jason, We're gonna have to
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: start asking Freddy chasing.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Flash movie. It's slash it.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: It is, it is. There's just no streaming woman though,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: you know what's the final girl? They don't have a
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: final I guess Omar is.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Just like just like just like the dude and Freddy two.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Why that's what you do? You watch Freddy too, then
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: you watch the Juice because of mail Center horror movies.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: So this is a great breakdown. But ship, if you
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: couldn't have anyone superpower, what would it be?
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: I want to say, like teleportation or phasing, like to
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: be able like the Kitty Pride, to be able to
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: phase or nightcrawlers teleportation.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you've ever had somebody say Kitty Pride.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: So that's a good one. Yeah, yeah, facing is definitely
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: a good one. And I'm not sure anyone's ever gone
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: for that, okay, cause.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: I was saying, I'm trying to see the.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Flaws that what's the point.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Whenever I think if I had facing, it's like, Okay,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go rock Banks.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: So for me, I'm a big concert because of enemies.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Like I'm a big concert guy. So it's like, I
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: I need to tickets nowhere.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Nice, that's a great yeah.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: Walking through Yeah, and then you there.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: No lines anywhere, no minds at any point if anyone
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: ever sees you walk through the walls over So you're
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: gonna have to plan that out. You just can't like
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: walk through the wall the concert.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: But you can always find a random gate.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Random gate? Oh yeah,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: because you have vi P is easy because you've got
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: in the back of the cog, the back of the
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: stadium and just walk in and you in the back
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: with all the roadies and ship you in there.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: You only limited by your imagination. You get in there.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: Well, you survived the raps segment and you have survived
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: for all nerds. Thank you so much for coming on
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: as a guest. This was fantastic. We had a lot
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: of fun, learned a lot about you. Please let thee
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: well the and family. Please let them know where they
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: could find you, where they could find your work, all
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: about Blacktooth Publishing. Anything you want to tell us.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so Blacktooth Publishing dot com. Add black Tooth Publishing
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: on Instagram. I've because I'm an artist, I've started like
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: documenting me drawing and like picking up more art skills
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: and things like that. I have a separate Instagram and
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: TikTok called Premium Artillery and stuff like that. It's it's
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: I don't miss spell words I misspelled like black names,
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: but not not my ad names, so.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: You know, And so anyone if they're looking for a
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: copy of the book, they can get it at Yeah.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: So yeah, digitals are on my website, Blacktooth Publishing dot com,
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: and then physicals are on Amazon, so they'll be to
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: you super fast so you can chears my name, omar
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: League or research the titles.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: That share the names of the titles once more.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: At Astronom, Snake Bite, and Dog Power. They're all one shots,
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: like you guys mentioned like, they're pilot episodes. Working on
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: the first complete arcs right now. Got a novel coming.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Out soon, So what's the novel about that? Secret.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: I will tell people. I'm gonna give you the tagline.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: It's Folts Class and a tale that's growing fast. So
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: that's the first part. Cults like Olts class and a
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: tale that's growing fast.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: All right, intriguing.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be looking for that.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to come back once you put that out, definitely.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: All right. Well, thank you very much Amori for joining us,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: and as always, fan fam, thank you for joining us
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: as well. Everyone out there. I hope you're doing well,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: living life, enjoying it, all that good stuff, and we
• 46:41
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