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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 1-27-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 3: kill for the Utah Mammoth. You cannot get to a
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Speaker 3: situation where you've got a really good team, a lot
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Speaker 3: the hottest team in the NHL right now, and you're
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Speaker 3: on an East Coast swing and you're coming off another
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Speaker 3: best Eastern Conference teams back to back, you gotta be
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Speaker 3: careful with how you play that first one. And it
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Speaker 3: didn't go well against the Tampa Bay Lightning to zero.
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Speaker 3: Both of those goals were power play goals, giving up.
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Speaker 3: They're back in action tonight. The Utah Mammoth are at
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Speaker 3: the defending Cup champion Florida Panthers, Sunrise Florida hosting your
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Speaker 3: Utah Mammoth.
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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll talk a little bit about that.
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Speaker 3: Last night, you had a basketball game, of college basketball
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Speaker 3: game in our state and within the borders of this
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Speaker 3: beautiful state of ours that had as much hype to
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Speaker 3: it as you're going to find any regular season basketball
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Speaker 3: game have in college hoops right now, BYU hosting the
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Speaker 3: number one team in the country, Arizona, and it was
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Speaker 3: a back and forth slugfest. It was an incredible game.
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Speaker 3: It was a reminder of where Utah is trying to get.
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Speaker 3: I know, you don't like to hear that about BYU.
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Speaker 3: Hopefully at least accept that about Arizona. That is the
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Speaker 3: number one team in the country right now for very
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Speaker 3: good reason. And they hung on with defensive play. Braden
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Speaker 3: Bury's blocks an attempt late which would have been, I
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Speaker 3: guess effectively the offensive buzzer beater, and he does it
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Speaker 3: defensively instead to go with his twenty nine points and
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Speaker 3: just a tier trickles down the eye of every old school.
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Speaker 2: Basketball coach.
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Speaker 3: Who sees someone who obviously has the offensive wherewithal in
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Speaker 3: talent to do great things at this level and potentially
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Speaker 3: the next scoring almost thirty.
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Speaker 4: But then.
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Speaker 3: When it really matters and your team is facing a
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Speaker 3: situation where you either get a stop on a final
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Speaker 3: possession or you force a bad shot on a final
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Speaker 3: possession and try to get the ball back to give
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Speaker 3: yourself enough time or whatever, and he just goes up
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Speaker 3: and blocks it. Jayde Bradley had twenty six points as well,
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Speaker 3: and that's twenty one and oh now for the Arizona Wildcats,
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Speaker 3: they're undefeated on the season. They are undefeated at eight
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Speaker 3: to zero Big twelve play and credit to the Koogs
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Speaker 3: because they were down by nineteen in the second half
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Speaker 3: and then went on a twelve to two run eighty
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Speaker 3: four eighty three, sixteen seconds to go, and Rob Wright
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Speaker 3: drives to the rim, tries to get a good look,
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Speaker 3: little contact, and the help defense from Bradenbury's comes over
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Speaker 3: and blocks away the shot.
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Speaker 2: So the Marriott Center.
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Speaker 3: I've told you many many times that my favorite thing,
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Speaker 3: my favorite game ending scenario in sports is that buzzer
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Speaker 3: beater shot attempt where fifteen thousand, seventeen thousand, nineteen thousand, whatever,
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Speaker 3: they all know what's help, what's coming, they all know
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Speaker 3: what's happening, and there's this collective breath, this silence in
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Speaker 3: a building when the shot goes up, even if it's
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Speaker 3: just the briefest of and then you either oh or
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Speaker 3: you go, and then that shot goes in and everybody
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Speaker 3: in this in the arena erupts.
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Speaker 2: That is one of the coolest things in sports.
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Speaker 3: It's uncontrollable human reaction to the visual stimulus and the
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Speaker 3: information in your body, knowing this is either gonna be
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Speaker 3: something I'm really excited to see or this is going
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Speaker 3: to be awful. And Arizona has a help defender say
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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna give you that moment one way or
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Speaker 3: the other. You won't have time for the breath. I'm
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Speaker 3: just gonna go swap thing away. And Tommy Lloyd has
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Speaker 3: got to give his guys credit. But that's exactly why
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Speaker 3: Arizona's the number one team in the country right now.
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Speaker 3: And look watching a game with that level of hype
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Speaker 3: and that level of national attention and all the conversation
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Speaker 3: about lottery draft picks on those rosters and aj debonsa
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Speaker 3: coming off a monster game against Utah and the rivalry game.
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Speaker 3: All of that stuff was cool to see. It's fun.
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Speaker 3: It's whatever. I know, we're the Utah station. That's a
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Speaker 3: BYU game. But if you look at it through a
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Speaker 3: Utah Lens. You know what it reminds you. It reminds
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Speaker 3: you of how vast the distances are between being a
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Speaker 3: decent team, a good team, a really good team, and
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Speaker 3: being the number one team in the country. You've got
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Speaker 3: a projected one or two pick in the upcoming NBA Draft.
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Speaker 3: You've got one of the highest paid rosters in all
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Speaker 3: of college basketball. You've got as much conversational hype about
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Speaker 3: the resurgence of your program as anybody in the Western
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Speaker 3: United States has had in any sport in recent memory.
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Speaker 3: And there's still going to be a bigger fish in
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Speaker 3: the pond. Is it a sobering reality for a Utah
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Speaker 3: basketball fan right now? Sure, But it's more just a
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Speaker 3: testament to the kind of patience you have to have,
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Speaker 3: the kind of dedication that everyone in and around the
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Speaker 3: program has to have, the attention to detail that must
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Speaker 3: be paid, and the demand of excellence.
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Speaker 2: That goes from player to player to player.
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Speaker 3: Tommy Lloyd doesn't have to call timeouts and tell his
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Speaker 3: big time offensive scorers, hey, make sure that you're also
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Speaker 3: there with the defense. There's not a dereliction of duty.
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Speaker 3: There's not even a passing of the buck. There's not a, Well,
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Speaker 3: that's his guy. He's got to do that. You gotta
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Speaker 3: let keb Keada challenge that shot. That's his job. That's
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Speaker 3: a conclosed thing. If they've got a driver and we
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Speaker 3: know who it's gonna be, let him do it.
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Speaker 2: Is Arizona gonna finish the season undefeated?
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 3: Are they going to be the eventual national champion? Honestly
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Speaker 3: probably not? Who knows, maybe, but it was a reminder
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Speaker 3: for me watching it from a sort of neutral perspective,
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Speaker 3: no horse in the race. I don't I don't have
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Speaker 3: love for Arizona basketball.
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Speaker 2: Necessarily. I don't have the.
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Speaker 3: Same personal connections in the BYU basketball program that I
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Speaker 3: do in the BYU football program. So I probably give
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Speaker 3: them a little bit less grace than I do the
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Speaker 3: BYU Cougars on a football field. But I look at
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Speaker 3: it and I say, that is a roster that has
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Speaker 3: been carefully crafted, assembled, developed by a guy with NFL,
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Speaker 3: with NBA experience, and a lot of respect from elite
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Speaker 3: level players in the NBA. Kevin Young is very highly
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Speaker 3: thought of in every basketball circle that you can possibly access,
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Speaker 3: and he got support, help, friendship, an arm around the
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Speaker 3: shoulder from some big time people, some big time boosters,
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Speaker 3: some owners, some NBA insiders, and they've created a pipeline
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Speaker 3: now with finance, with the special environment of BYU, with whatever,
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Speaker 3: to where you've got one of the best rosters of
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Speaker 3: players we've seen on any staff, any floor really in
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Speaker 3: our state's history. When you're just talking about the individual
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Speaker 3: collection of talent, find me even some of the great
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Speaker 3: Utah rosters that were this capable and yet and still
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Speaker 3: you're almost there. If you're BYU, you're almost there. Maybe
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Speaker 3: by the end of the year you'll be all the
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Speaker 3: way there. Maybe this is a Final four team, maybe
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Speaker 3: this is an Elite eight team, maybe this is a
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Speaker 3: Big twelve conference tournament championship team. But all that money,
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Speaker 3: all that effort, all that conversation, right now, what you
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Speaker 3: are is you're almost there, and that is something we
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Speaker 3: all have to pay attention to. It is not easy
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Speaker 3: to get from where BYU is right now to where
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Speaker 3: Arizona is this season, and it is even harder to
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Speaker 3: get from where Utah is right now to where Arizona
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Speaker 3: is right now. It's going to be a heavy, heavy,
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Speaker 3: heavy heavy lift to get from where Utah is right
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Speaker 3: now to where they could be where BYU's at right now,
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Speaker 3: A BYU for now.
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Speaker 2: Is almost there? Are they capable of more than that? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Are they talented enough to do more than that? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Will we see by the end of the season that
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Speaker 3: they are.
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Speaker 2: More than that?
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Speaker 3: Perhaps right now what you are as you're almost there?
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Speaker 3: All the money, all the talent, all the hype has
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Speaker 3: gotten you to almost there. And I'm not saying that
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Speaker 3: to highlight or to insult BYU. I'm saying that as
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Speaker 3: a stark and sobering reminder for football, basketball, baseball, softball, soccer.
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Speaker 2: The mammoth hockey.
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Speaker 3: Being almost there is wonderful and it's fun and it's entertaining,
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Speaker 3: but it's not what you're looking for. The San Francisco
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Speaker 3: forty nine Ers the last three decades have been almost there. Well,
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Speaker 3: there's actually plenty of time in there. They weren't close
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Speaker 3: to being there, you know what I'm talking about, though,
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Speaker 3: the last ten plus years they've been a team that's
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Speaker 3: almost there. They made it to the Super Bowl a
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Speaker 3: couple of times. Being almost there is a lot more
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Speaker 3: entertaining than not being in the conversation at all than
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Speaker 3: being where the Utah Jazz are right now at the
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Speaker 3: way on the outside looking in. The distance between BYU
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Speaker 3: now and Arizona right now is narrowing, is getting smaller.
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Speaker 3: But there's a lot of people who pushed all their
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Speaker 3: chips to the center. For all of you BYU fans
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Speaker 3: who are super hardcore, that's a gambling reference, that's a
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Speaker 3: poker planner. They put all their chips in the middle,
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Speaker 3: and they said, this is it, this is my this
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Speaker 3: is my time, this is what we're gonna do, and
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Speaker 3: we're gonna do it right now. And you still might
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Speaker 3: just be almost there. BYU football almost there this season,
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Speaker 3: Utah football a half step behind, but almost there this season.
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Speaker 3: And if you talk to folks at Texas Tech from
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Speaker 3: a conference championship perspective, they got there this year with
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Speaker 3: all of that investment. From a national championship standpoint, almost
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Speaker 3: there and barely in the category of almost there when
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Speaker 3: you make it in the playoff and you don't score
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Speaker 3: any points. That was my number one takeaway from that.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, Arizona might just be from a
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Speaker 3: national perspective, they might also end up after a tournament
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Speaker 3: time we might be saying, oh, they were almost there.
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Speaker 3: Arizona's been flirting with this for years now Pac twelve
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Speaker 3: Big twelve they've been, they've been tantalizingly close. But maybe
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Speaker 3: Arizona when it's all said and done, we'll talk about
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Speaker 3: them as being almost there too. My takeaway watching that
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Speaker 3: game and seeing this hyper talented, incredibly well constructed and
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Speaker 3: I think not perfectly coach but almost perfectly coach BYU
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Speaker 3: team where everybody understands their role implicitly still on their
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Speaker 3: home floor, come up short to what is we think
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Speaker 3: the best team in the country right now, It's like, geez,
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Speaker 3: almost almost there. And on one front, that's a wonderful
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Speaker 3: place to be. On another front, it's that much more painful.
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Speaker 5: The hope that kills you, right, it's the hope that
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Speaker 5: kills you, That's what That's why they say that in
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Speaker 5: ted Lasso, because it's yes, you would rather be in
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Speaker 5: that position than be irrelevant, right, But it's very painful
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Speaker 5: when you're in position to win and then you're not
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Speaker 5: able to win at all. Like we know that really
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Speaker 5: well around here too. So it's, uh, yeah, it's the
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Speaker 5: hope that kills you. I I prefer like, let's go
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Speaker 5: to the let's use the jazz teams that made the
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Speaker 5: finals as an example, I look back on those, and
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Speaker 5: I was really young. Those that are older, maybe maybe
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Speaker 5: it's a different it's probably a different experience. But I
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Speaker 5: look back on those and I think that that those
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Speaker 5: are really cool memories. As painful as it was to
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Speaker 5: see them come up short against the best player in
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Speaker 5: the world, best team in the world, I think those
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Speaker 5: are really cool memories. I'm proud that my favorite team
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Speaker 5: got to that championship stage.
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Speaker 2: Right There's there.
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Speaker 5: Are those that because it was painfully close, they would
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Speaker 5: prefer not to remember those times. That's which I think
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Speaker 5: is I I don't I would prefer not to live
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Speaker 5: that way, right, I don't.
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Speaker 2: Think that that's that's the best perspective.
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Speaker 5: I would I would hope that the vast majority of
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Speaker 5: us who are jazz fans, for example, using them as
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Speaker 5: they're almost championships is an example. I would hope that
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Speaker 5: they would see it the way that I that I
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Speaker 5: have seen it. That's like, that was so cool, and
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Speaker 5: it's made it even more cool because they they haven't
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Speaker 5: gotten close since then. Right, If they're always if they're
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Speaker 5: always in and always losing, that's just frustrating all the time.
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Speaker 3: And I think that's I think that's where Arizona kind
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Speaker 3: of to be fair to BYU, that's where Arizona is
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Speaker 3: with their basketball program.
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Speaker 5: Always awesome, you're always never, hardly ever champions, but you're
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Speaker 5: you're the bride's made every dang time.
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Speaker 3: But you're never the bride. You're not the national champion.
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Speaker 3: You haven't been the national champion recently. And and it's
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Speaker 3: not because there isn't enough reputation, there isn't enough respect,
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Speaker 3: there isn't enough talent, there isn't enough investment, there's enough
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Speaker 3: whatever Arizona doesn't get to do, what BYU gets to do,
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Speaker 3: and what Utah gets to do it And it's not
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Speaker 3: it's not a healthy thing to say, well, this is
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Speaker 3: why we're not ready yet. But in some ways, it's
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Speaker 3: just life. It's just being practical. For Arizona. There is
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Speaker 3: no why. There's no answer to why you haven't gotten
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Speaker 3: all the way over the hump and cut down the
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Speaker 3: nets recently, right, There is no answer to that there.
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Speaker 2: You just have to keep looking at and like, man,
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Speaker 2: we got.
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Speaker 3: All these dudes that were lottery picks or borderline lottery
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Speaker 3: picks or number one overall picks for the last several decades,
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Speaker 3: we've had that. We've had a bunch of guys that
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Speaker 3: we thought were the best coaches in the country. We
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Speaker 3: had before all of this stuff became legal, we had
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Speaker 3: plenty of scandal about us paying players and doing things improperly.
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Speaker 3: Like if you're an Arizona basketball fan, you kind of
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Speaker 3: have to look at it and just be like, what
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Speaker 3: do we have to do? And maybe this year they
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Speaker 3: get it done and you don't have to ask that
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Speaker 3: question anymore. At least if you're BYU and further down
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Speaker 3: the ladder for your Utah, you could look at it,
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Speaker 3: and I know there's plenty of bou fans and be like, man,
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Speaker 3: what do we have to do. We got the highest
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Speaker 3: paid player, we think in college hoops right now, we
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Speaker 3: got one of the highest paid coaches in college hoops.
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Speaker 3: We got a roster that we got the same dang
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Speaker 3: payroll as the Chicago Bulls right now, and we're not
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Speaker 3: able to get over the hump on our home floor
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Speaker 3: against Arizona. But you can say, all right, we're like,
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Speaker 3: look how close we are in really like a three
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Speaker 3: year turnaround. Look how tantalite, Like, it's right there, We're
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Speaker 3: just about to grab it. And by the end of
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Speaker 3: this season, I think we'll be able to Arizona's got
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Speaker 3: to be like it's more like a relief thing for Arizona.
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Speaker 3: And I'm glad you brought up those jazz teams because
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Speaker 3: I've had this discussion. I had this discussion on air
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Speaker 3: actually when I was working in San Francisco, and it
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Speaker 3: was this debate about whether or not that one championship
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Speaker 3: is better than being in the conversation all the time,
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Speaker 3: And emphatically, I will always say yes, if you give
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Speaker 3: me one championship, one Super Bowl year one Hoiston Malari O'Brien,
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Speaker 3: if you let my guys skate around with the Stanley
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Speaker 3: Cup one time, you can give me the New York
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Speaker 3: Jets for the next ten years. I will live on
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Speaker 3: that championship memory forever. And that's how my brain is wired,
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Speaker 3: like the loser guy that was the varsity quarterback and
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Speaker 3: never moved out of town, became the sheriff's deputy and
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Speaker 3: just lives on that glory for the rest of his life.
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Speaker 3: Like I'm I'm genetically predisposed. I guess to being okay
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Speaker 3: with that. So I'm still living off the San Francisco
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Speaker 3: forty nine ers nineteen ninety four championship that I watched
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Speaker 3: in my basement with some little smokies and some wheat
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Speaker 3: thins and my buddy Ben Wolfenbarger. Like that is, I'm
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Speaker 3: still like, yeah, dude, the Niners are a great team.
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Speaker 5: Shout out to Ben and the entire wolf and Barger family.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I just wanted to say the last name, that's
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Speaker 3: it's a great last name. They're they're interesting group of people.
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Speaker 5: I'll tell you, Hey, interesting name, interesting people, and there
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Speaker 5: you go.
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Speaker 3: Like, so, I'm I am predisposed to be able to
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Speaker 3: live off that, you know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: What we know this about b YU fans.
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Speaker 3: B YU fans will live off nineteen eighty four until
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Speaker 3: they're actually buried in the ground.
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Speaker 2: We know that.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think I think it's probably maybe I'm
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Speaker 5: wrong about this. We got plenty of UTS fans who
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Speaker 5: can correct me, and you yourself can correct me on this.
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Speaker 5: But I feel like, to a less it's a it's
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Speaker 5: not quite as intense with the BCS busting teams for
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Speaker 5: Utah in the mid two thousands, your team of four team,
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Speaker 5: the O eight Sugar Bowl team, but it's similar like
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Speaker 5: and these pactal these recent Pact World Championship, it's similar,
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Speaker 5: but I also I also feel like there's not Utah
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Speaker 5: fans probably not quite as easily satisfied by those things. Well,
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Speaker 5: am I am? I totally off basic.
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Speaker 3: You're correct, and the reason is because once you get
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Speaker 3: that taste, right, you got the undefeated season in O four,
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Speaker 3: you got the undefeated season and O eight, and then
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Speaker 3: you were just pining for that, like when you don't
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Speaker 3: know what you're missing.
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Speaker 2: You're fine, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: It's like when you're you have this, you have a
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Speaker 3: little kid, and you don't want to share the ice
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Speaker 3: cream with them.
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Speaker 2: Oh, sorry, this is spicy.
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Speaker 3: You just flat out lie to him it's spicy, spicy,
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Speaker 3: you won't like it. And then they're like, eh, because
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Speaker 3: if you give them one bite, they always want it
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Speaker 3: for the rest of their lives.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're being very careful with sugar. I don't think
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Speaker 5: he I don't think the boy has had sugar yet,
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Speaker 5: and we're trying to We're trying to delay that as
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Speaker 5: much as we possibly can, because we all know that
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Speaker 5: that's that's how that's how it starts with with kids.
22:02
Speaker 5: You give him a little bit of sugar and then
22:03
Speaker 5: that's all they want, and we're trying, we're trying that
22:07
Speaker 5: we're going to fail.
22:07
Speaker 3: And maybe maybe it's a maybe it's a poor analogy here,
22:10
Speaker 3: but when you're talking about Utah football fans, right, you
22:16
Speaker 3: didn't really even flirt.
22:17
Speaker 2: With this success. But like the the.
22:20
Speaker 3: Festival year happened to you as a Utah football fan
22:25
Speaker 3: without you expecting it to happen. Yeah, like you were.
22:29
Speaker 3: You were kind of loving the fact that Ron McBride
22:32
Speaker 3: had made the rivalry relevant again and gave as good
22:36
Speaker 3: as he got against Lebelle and the BYU Cougars. And oh,
22:39
Speaker 3: look at that, we had a top ten team in
22:41
Speaker 3: the mid nineties, Like this is cool, little wee. Yeah,
22:45
Speaker 3: we're having a high school weekend now. In basketball, totally
22:49
Speaker 3: different in basketball because you had Rick Majeris, Like, you
22:52
Speaker 3: got to the point where a Whack championship is no
22:56
Speaker 3: longer satisfactory. Mount West Conference championship contention is no longer satisfactory.
23:02
Speaker 2: We sent another guy to the NBA. That's not good enough.
23:04
Speaker 3: Like you got to a point where your expectations elevated
23:08
Speaker 3: and you wanted what Arizona wants. You wanted what BYU
23:15
Speaker 3: especially he's gonna want in three years.
23:17
Speaker 2: They already wanted.
23:18
Speaker 3: But two or three years from now, the fans are
23:21
Speaker 3: not going to be satisfied even with this, even with
23:23
Speaker 3: this great game you saw last night against Arizona.
23:26
Speaker 5: And like, let's say a j. Devance ends up being
23:30
Speaker 5: the number one pick. He he could end up being
23:32
Speaker 5: two or three. But let's say he gets a number
23:34
Speaker 5: one pick. That's like not a national championship, but that's
23:37
Speaker 5: like maybe the next best thing.
23:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gets a feather in your cap and it's
23:41
Speaker 3: something you brag about, and you get to watch him
23:43
Speaker 3: in the NBA and you buy your kid the jersey
23:45
Speaker 3: and it's all great.
23:47
Speaker 2: And guess that may not be enough. You will two
23:49
Speaker 2: or three years la. Right, you don't live on.
23:52
Speaker 3: That the way you live on championships.
23:54
Speaker 2: It's like and perfect.
23:56
Speaker 5: We know that the Utah side of things because two
24:00
Speaker 5: thousand and four, the two thousand and five NBA and
24:03
Speaker 5: NFL drafts, they had both the NFL and NBA number
24:06
Speaker 5: one pick Alex Smith of course, Andrew Bogan, of course.
24:10
Speaker 5: The Utah fans are they are basketball fans and football
24:14
Speaker 5: fans just like yes, two thousand and five, the way
24:17
Speaker 5: that BYU fans are nineteen eighty four.
24:19
Speaker 2: No, no, because that's not the same.
24:21
Speaker 3: And you will never and BYU will never treat this
24:25
Speaker 3: season an eleven win season, right, twelve win season they
24:30
Speaker 3: were twelve win with the Bowl game. They will they
24:32
Speaker 3: will never treat twenty twenty five and twenty twenty four
24:36
Speaker 3: the way that you, as a Utah fan treat four eight,
24:41
Speaker 3: twenty one, twenty two. They never will. They're not allowed.
24:45
Speaker 3: They can't. You're because it did not culminate in the
24:51
Speaker 3: thing that you get that you want to live on
24:53
Speaker 3: as a sports fan, and you will get. You will
24:55
Speaker 3: trade away, like I know this AJ Debonsa. We'll watch
25:00
Speaker 3: how it plays out this year. We'll see how it goes.
25:03
Speaker 3: I think Arizona is gonna do to BYU basketball what
25:07
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls and what Texas Tech
25:11
Speaker 3: and their football team did to BYU football this year.
25:14
Speaker 3: I think Arizona and maybe Iowa State and maybe Houston
25:18
Speaker 3: is capable of doing that to BYU basketball.
25:21
Speaker 2: Right, And you're gonna be like.
25:22
Speaker 3: Cool, we got AJ though, we got AJ Debonsa, And
25:26
Speaker 3: then like next year, you're not gonna give a what
25:29
Speaker 3: that AJ Debonsa was there because now he's with the
25:32
Speaker 3: seventy six ers, or now he's with the Whoelsa Jazz.
25:36
Speaker 2: Maybe he's with the Jazz.
25:39
Speaker 3: If he's with the Jazz, it changes the calculus pretty significant,
25:43
Speaker 3: and it fully supports my conspiracy theory about last year.
25:47
Speaker 2: Neither here nor there.
25:48
Speaker 3: I don't want to get too far afield the point
25:49
Speaker 3: I'm trying to make, but you live off of these championships,
25:54
Speaker 3: and Arizona is in this crazy desperate hunt right now
25:58
Speaker 3: to the point where this starts, This twenty one to
26:02
Speaker 3: zero start is either gonna be the coolest story you've
26:06
Speaker 3: had in Tucson, or it's gonna end up being the
26:09
Speaker 3: thing that rips out the hearts of every Wildcat fan
26:13
Speaker 3: because they're the number one team in the country for
26:16
Speaker 3: very good reason right now, and they showed last night
26:19
Speaker 3: that on both sides of the floor, they are capable
26:22
Speaker 3: of doing what they need to do to win these
26:24
Speaker 3: big games, win these important moments, that they can come
26:27
Speaker 3: out on top of the four, five or six different
26:30
Speaker 3: possessions that truly in elite competition separate the champs from
26:36
Speaker 3: the almost theirs. Arizona, already in twenty one games, has
26:40
Speaker 3: evidence that they can do against anybody what it takes
26:46
Speaker 3: to win.
26:47
Speaker 5: When I think anywhere, you can say in playing against
26:52
Speaker 5: anybody anywhere after last night, after pulling out a tough
26:55
Speaker 5: game the Marriott Center, it's hard to find, certainly in
26:58
Speaker 5: the Big twelve. It's hard to find many places nationally
27:02
Speaker 5: that is a tougher place to play because of how
27:05
Speaker 5: loud they get down there. That is a that is
27:08
Speaker 5: nineteen thousand sexually repressed young people who are just trying
27:15
Speaker 5: to put that energy somewhere else. Okay, it is a
27:19
Speaker 5: hostile environment, and they are passionate right now about their athletics,
27:24
Speaker 5: especially about the belief in what this basketball team is
27:28
Speaker 5: capable of doing. Not many bigger buildings in college basketball
27:32
Speaker 5: than the Marriott Center you mentioned nineteen thousand, A lot
27:35
Speaker 5: of big like Cameron Indoors less than ten thousand. Do
27:38
Speaker 5: you realize that we talk about that as one of
27:40
Speaker 5: the best, and it has become one of the best
27:44
Speaker 5: basketball arenas NBA or college in basket in basketball around
27:50
Speaker 5: the world, certainly in the United States. It's less than
27:53
Speaker 5: ten thousand capacity. The Marriott Centers double that and they
27:57
Speaker 5: and they've been packing it the last few years, so
28:01
Speaker 5: that makes it even I would think that makes it
28:05
Speaker 5: even more daunting of a place to play and for
28:09
Speaker 5: even more impressive and more evidence that Arizona has the
28:13
Speaker 5: capability of doing what they always want to do in
28:16
Speaker 5: Tucson win national championship.
28:18
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, right, I mean, the takeaway for me
28:22
Speaker 3: from a game like this is BYU with their whatever
28:25
Speaker 3: it is, twenty five million dollar roster and their ten
28:28
Speaker 3: million dollar coach. I'm exaggerating numbers. I don't really know
28:31
Speaker 3: what the accurate numbers.
28:32
Speaker 5: And we don't know on the coaches because it's not
28:35
Speaker 5: a public university.
28:37
Speaker 3: But yeah, but he's according to all conversations, he's a
28:41
Speaker 3: top ten paid coach in college basketball right now. And honestly,
28:44
Speaker 3: to navigate those expectations and what not, good, you got
28:47
Speaker 3: the money, spend it. That's how you should feel about
28:50
Speaker 3: your team. But with all of that, BYU's performance against
28:54
Speaker 3: the number one team in the country was effect at
28:58
Speaker 3: home on on their floor, was pretty much the same,
29:03
Speaker 3: very very similar outcome to when Utah hosted BYU. So
29:11
Speaker 3: you're close. If you're Utah on your home floor, you
29:15
Speaker 3: were close to BYU. You gave enough effort that you
29:19
Speaker 3: were close on your home floor to them now. The
29:21
Speaker 3: return visit to the Marriott Center showed there's a significant
29:24
Speaker 3: gap between these rosters right now.
29:26
Speaker 2: Would the same thing happen if.
29:27
Speaker 3: BYU plays Arizona in Arizona to be determined, but man,
29:34
Speaker 3: to be almost there can sometimes be the most painful thing.
29:38
Speaker 3: And from a Utah perspective, watching these two teams go
29:42
Speaker 3: at it battle down to the final possession and a
29:45
Speaker 3: great defensive play by a guy who's not known for
29:48
Speaker 3: great defensive plays necessarily, it just shows you how you
29:54
Speaker 3: separate the whet from the chaff at this level and
29:58
Speaker 3: how much deve element and growth it takes to get
30:03
Speaker 3: to that spot where Arizona is right now, and by
30:05
Speaker 3: the way, could get knocked off of that spot next week.
30:09
Speaker 3: I'm not crowning Arizona just yet. I'm not dooming BYU
30:13
Speaker 3: just yet. But that game showed you that, man, the
30:16
Speaker 3: levels where you're just like, OHI, that's a good team.
30:19
Speaker 3: That's a really good team, that's a great team, that's
30:21
Speaker 3: an almost great team. Conversationally, you don't do enough justice
30:29
Speaker 3: to how big those gaps can be.
30:32
Speaker 2: And that's a tough thing as a sports fan. Texts
30:38
Speaker 2: coming in.
30:39
Speaker 3: When I was talking about how BYU's got all these
30:41
Speaker 3: NBA insiders supporting them twenty two eighty nine says, if
30:45
Speaker 3: only those NBA insiders had the same investment in the
30:47
Speaker 3: local NBA team, Shots fired, shot fired from twenty to
30:52
Speaker 3: eighty nine.
30:53
Speaker 5: Yeah, if only there was an NBA team here close
30:56
Speaker 5: by that they that those NBA insiders could be invested in.
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Speaker 1: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz. What former
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Speaker 1: Jazz assistant coach Gordon Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
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Speaker 2: Gordy, how are you.
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Speaker 4: Sir, Sean.
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Speaker 6: I'm doing well, Thank you, Gordy.
32:25
Speaker 3: Should we be bothered that the Utah Jazz have basically
32:30
Speaker 3: no representation in All Star Weekend?
32:35
Speaker 6: Yes, very much. Yeah, because Larry Markining is really worthy. However,
32:40
Speaker 6: he's missed so many games recently, and so that's the problem.
32:45
Speaker 6: If he would have been able to play most of
32:47
Speaker 6: those games, he would probably be selected as an All Star,
32:52
Speaker 6: in part of because they're the new format with they're
32:55
Speaker 6: probably going to add instead of only twenty four players,
32:57
Speaker 6: if we're probably gonna have maybe twenty five or twenty six.
33:00
Speaker 6: So ly would make the All Star team as part
33:04
Speaker 6: of the World Group, which they're going to play against
33:06
Speaker 6: the quote the American All Stars meeting in the NBA,
33:11
Speaker 6: and so it's a disappointing. And add to that you
33:14
Speaker 6: mentioned before about now one jazz player in an All
33:18
Speaker 6: Star Weekend, which is really a lot of things you're
33:21
Speaker 6: talking about. Really A Spelly also, unfortunately, for some batter reason,
33:25
Speaker 6: A Spelly was wasn't selected for the All Star Weekend
33:28
Speaker 6: Rising Stars game when the rookies play against the second
33:31
Speaker 6: year of players, and A Spelly has done a good
33:34
Speaker 6: job and there's only two guys in the top tender
33:38
Speaker 6: were not selected as far as the ten men roster,
33:40
Speaker 6: and they are A Spelly has picked number five and
33:44
Speaker 6: common Malawatch picked up a ten by the sons, who
33:47
Speaker 6: really Holly ever plays is a young, big guy, so
33:52
Speaker 6: I'm shocked that he wasn't picked. You're playing this game.
33:55
Speaker 6: The coaches voted with the assistant coaches for the selection
34:00
Speaker 6: of these guys, and I think they're all space.
34:04
Speaker 3: So I mean, there's a there's a silver lining to
34:07
Speaker 3: not being included in All Star Weekend where you get
34:11
Speaker 3: to take a break, you get to go away from,
34:14
Speaker 3: you know, your team, you get to spend that time
34:17
Speaker 3: reconnecting with family while you're you know, in the middle
34:20
Speaker 3: of an NBA season. How do most guys handle the
34:23
Speaker 3: All Star break, Gordy.
34:27
Speaker 6: Mental health break, because when you're really a good player,
34:31
Speaker 6: where you're a young guy, you can't believe how many
34:33
Speaker 6: games is still left in the season. So someone like
34:36
Speaker 6: say a Spelly, he doesn't choose to go to LA
34:38
Speaker 6: to just hang out with friends for example, including his
34:42
Speaker 6: loved ones and meeting his family. Is that you want
34:45
Speaker 6: to just rest your body. But the for the mental
34:47
Speaker 6: part too, where you're away from basketball for literally four
34:52
Speaker 6: or five days, which is really encouraging. So I remember
34:56
Speaker 6: often has that many times players in the also weekend
35:00
Speaker 6: and they came back from the All Star weekend, we
35:03
Speaker 6: didn't practice for two days with them. Then we let
35:07
Speaker 6: them don't have a break. So I meaning John stock,
35:09
Speaker 6: n Caol Malone, Jeff Hornisack, Carol Lincoln, and those guys
35:12
Speaker 6: that played in the All Star Game or at different
35:14
Speaker 6: events when they came back for us, they didn't practice
35:17
Speaker 6: as a team for a day or two. After they
35:19
Speaker 6: were able to good practice, we helped them out just
35:22
Speaker 6: to give them a chance to rest their body. Now,
35:25
Speaker 6: Ay Spelly particular, young fellow nineteen years old, he's a
35:28
Speaker 6: live wire. He wants to play. So it's unfortunate that
35:33
Speaker 6: I was again I mentioned that he should have made
35:35
Speaker 6: it so quickly. H's the guys that made it just
35:37
Speaker 6: for their rookies, and we all know their names and
35:39
Speaker 6: the role really talented guys. Cooper Flagg picked number one
35:42
Speaker 6: and is going to be in the rookie game. They
35:44
Speaker 6: don't help pick number two. Feature Edgecombe on the sixth
35:48
Speaker 6: is number third pick kan Ka Nipple, who might be
35:51
Speaker 6: the rookie of the year possibly. Hornets picked number four
35:54
Speaker 6: Trey Johnson with his number six, Jeremiah fear of Pelican's
35:58
Speaker 6: number seven, Yegor from BYU pick number eight by the Nets.
36:04
Speaker 6: So again I know he's playing better and the Jet
36:07
Speaker 6: play the Nets ironically on Friday night here at the
36:09
Speaker 6: Delta Center. But Ace Billy absolutely should be picked over him.
36:13
Speaker 6: Calinmary Boyle from the Raptors nine, Cedric Coward of the
36:17
Speaker 6: Grizzly eleventh pick of the draft, and Derek Queen of
36:20
Speaker 6: the Pelicans thirteen pick of the draft. So the Pelicans,
36:23
Speaker 6: the worst tim in basketball, have two guys in this game.
36:29
Speaker 2: Well, I mean.
36:32
Speaker 3: It kind of makes sense when you're the worst team
36:34
Speaker 3: and your best players are young players, our rookies or sophomores, right,
36:37
Speaker 3: because the better and that's.
36:39
Speaker 6: The that's their m right now for the Pelicans to
36:42
Speaker 6: play the young guys who hold their mistakes. So the
36:44
Speaker 6: Pelicans are twelve and thirty six. So if I'm Mace Bailey,
36:47
Speaker 6: if I was counseling him, used as an incentive, showing
36:50
Speaker 6: as a motivation to how dare you not make me
36:53
Speaker 6: make these pick this selection for this team. I'm going
36:56
Speaker 6: to prove everyone that are wrong by really playing even better,
37:00
Speaker 6: more focused, and by the way, help my team have
37:02
Speaker 6: more success as far as victories.
37:05
Speaker 3: We've seen a lot of jazz, young jazz players in
37:08
Speaker 3: recent years get to play in this game, and let's
37:13
Speaker 3: be honest, sometimes it was a little bit random and
37:15
Speaker 3: sometimes guys got to participate in All Star Weekend and
37:18
Speaker 3: it didn't really translate to any massive value for those
37:21
Speaker 3: individuals in their player development whatever. So in an ideal world,
37:26
Speaker 3: how does the player benefit from being part of the
37:28
Speaker 3: Rising Stars challenge?
37:30
Speaker 6: Specifically their personal pride and branding? So suddenly people that
37:38
Speaker 6: might not know who you were, or they show you
37:41
Speaker 6: playing college but they weren't really sure about your game,
37:45
Speaker 6: suddenly it pops up in front of you. You're in
37:47
Speaker 6: LA on that weekend, and you blow out and then
37:53
Speaker 6: the visualization of it that this guy can play, and
37:56
Speaker 6: from a branding standpoint, meaning usually sneakers or gear that
38:00
Speaker 6: the players represent or any other endorses they have, that
38:03
Speaker 6: they're going to be front and center where our client,
38:05
Speaker 6: meaning our guy was MVP of the was the MVP
38:10
Speaker 6: of the Rising Star Game or one the other contest.
38:13
Speaker 6: The Dunk Contest are three point shoot three point shooting contest,
38:17
Speaker 6: and that helps the players' personal brand. Also gives the franchise,
38:22
Speaker 6: meaning he's present team some street credit that they're smart,
38:26
Speaker 6: they were smart drafting you, or if you're a veteran,
38:29
Speaker 6: that our guy can play, and this here's the reasons why.
38:32
Speaker 6: So it helped. It's really helpful economically. I think it's great.
38:35
Speaker 6: I love All Star Weekend. I wish the Dunk Contest
38:38
Speaker 6: would just change some of their format, and they wish
38:42
Speaker 6: the main guys, that the high flyers would get in
38:45
Speaker 6: there and dunk. And the quote showing the old days,
38:48
Speaker 6: I mean Michael Jordan, Dominique Wilkin, spud Web, these guys,
38:51
Speaker 6: it was an honor to be in the Dunk Contest.
38:54
Speaker 2: Gordian.
38:55
Speaker 3: I heard Sean Merriman talking about this with the Pro
38:58
Speaker 3: Bowl in football as well.
38:59
Speaker 2: How you know, it's become a joke.
39:01
Speaker 3: The Pro Bowl games are just a shell of what
39:05
Speaker 3: the Pro Bowl was. And the Pro Bowl was never
39:08
Speaker 3: like a hardcore, serious competitive game necessarily, but it was
39:11
Speaker 3: at least a badge of honor that guys would wear
39:13
Speaker 3: and you know, they would collect the merchandise from it,
39:16
Speaker 3: and they would frame that jersey and they would get
39:19
Speaker 3: all the other best players in the league to sign
39:21
Speaker 3: their stuff.
39:22
Speaker 2: And where did we go wrong?
39:25
Speaker 3: How did it happen that we have de emphasized All
39:29
Speaker 3: Star games to the point where they're almost you know,
39:32
Speaker 3: the leagues are now having to scramble and try and
39:34
Speaker 3: make them something that the players actually care about.
39:37
Speaker 2: Where and how did that happen?
39:39
Speaker 3: Where you know, you don't have Lebron James has never
39:41
Speaker 3: been in a dunk contest, and you don't have the
39:45
Speaker 3: guys that we actually want to see doing these things
39:48
Speaker 3: with the exception, I guess of the three point shooting contest.
39:51
Speaker 2: How did that happen?
39:55
Speaker 6: Often those players on Austo weekend, their teams are really
40:02
Speaker 6: highly competitive, and so they're going to play in the
40:05
Speaker 6: All Star Game and most times will say recently they'll
40:09
Speaker 6: go through the motion, but it's really an exhibition game
40:12
Speaker 6: and they don't want to be in the athletic parts
40:16
Speaker 6: of it as far as alot dunk contests to try
40:19
Speaker 6: to save their legs, and that's part of it if
40:21
Speaker 6: you're an elite player, like a high flyer of that,
40:24
Speaker 6: that's the reason why. And the second part of it
40:28
Speaker 6: is that they basically they make so much money now
40:32
Speaker 6: it doesn't really matter any extra money they might earn
40:36
Speaker 6: from some of these contests. So that's part of the
40:39
Speaker 6: reason why they want to rest their legs somewhat, and
40:41
Speaker 6: the economics of it doesn't really justify it in their
40:44
Speaker 6: mind now as far as being able to win the award.
40:48
Speaker 6: The only exception you mentioned for is the three point
40:50
Speaker 6: shooting contest. That's a lot based on skill, and so
40:54
Speaker 6: that's a huge badge of courage. I remember Jeff Wannasek
40:57
Speaker 6: wanted back to back years that he practiced and he
41:00
Speaker 6: was really focused to do it.
41:03
Speaker 3: Where did Chase is our guest here on the Sean
41:05
Speaker 3: O'Connell show talking a little NBA basketball, All right?
41:09
Speaker 2: Uh utah?
41:10
Speaker 3: Jazz coming off a one forty seven, one sixteen loss
41:15
Speaker 3: to the Miami Heat before we get to the game specifically,
41:19
Speaker 3: how does an old school guy like yourself process seeing
41:22
Speaker 3: these All Star Game numbers and these All Star Game
41:25
Speaker 3: point totals in a regular season contest, one forty seven
41:29
Speaker 3: scored in a non overtime game is embarrassing.
41:33
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's trubbling, very very much. So. The Jats been
41:36
Speaker 6: fortunately right now are of the worst team in the NBA. Defensively,
41:41
Speaker 6: they're allowing one hundred and twenty seven point eight points
41:44
Speaker 6: per game, so the number thirty and part of that,
41:47
Speaker 6: they're also ranked less than the NBA and allowing the
41:50
Speaker 6: most may three point shots at fifteen point eight threes
41:55
Speaker 6: per game. So in the mathematics of it, they're allowing
41:59
Speaker 6: basically over forty seven points a game from the three
42:05
Speaker 6: point line. So they've got to correct that as far
42:08
Speaker 6: as whether it's schematically, whether it's effort, whether it's actually
42:12
Speaker 6: individual technique as they go forward. So they've got to
42:16
Speaker 6: do that. So it's a troubling fact because as I
42:20
Speaker 6: always say this to the players over for the last
42:23
Speaker 6: of truly thirty seven years in the NBA, if you're
42:26
Speaker 6: playing over twenty six minutes a game in an NBA game,
42:30
Speaker 6: you are part of the reason why a team is winning,
42:33
Speaker 6: and that is great. The team is winning and you're
42:35
Speaker 6: out there, you're part of the reason why they're winning. Also, conversely,
42:40
Speaker 6: you're part of reason why the team is losing. If
42:43
Speaker 6: you're playing twenty six minutes a game or more in
42:45
Speaker 6: an NBA game, meaning basically you're a starter or a
42:48
Speaker 6: six or seventh man and the team is losing, you're
42:51
Speaker 6: part of the reason why a team is losing. And
42:53
Speaker 6: then you can subtext that to why we're losing. And unfortunately,
42:59
Speaker 6: is that the lack of defense by the players. I
43:03
Speaker 6: know the coach is a fanatical about trying to get
43:06
Speaker 6: the guys to play better defense philosophically and situationally, but
43:10
Speaker 6: the players on the court, they're not responding right now.
43:13
Speaker 6: So if you play a lot of minutes you're winning,
43:17
Speaker 6: you get praise. If you're not winning, then it's on you.
43:22
Speaker 3: I was tongue in cheek the last time we I
43:24
Speaker 3: asked this question, but now I don't think it's a
43:27
Speaker 3: joke anymore. Use of Nurkics just keeps putting these triple
43:30
Speaker 3: doubles up. Is this something we should be expecting from
43:33
Speaker 3: him the rest of the way, As long as he's
43:34
Speaker 3: wearing a Jazz uniform.
43:38
Speaker 6: He's got three in a row, so it could happen
43:41
Speaker 6: again tonight because tonight against the Clippers, he's being guarded
43:44
Speaker 6: by a Bosian soul made in the game tonight, so
43:49
Speaker 6: he'll be out there on perimeter of throwing dimes and stuff,
43:52
Speaker 6: and that's if it's a zubox, will be guarding them
43:54
Speaker 6: out in perimeter. So it could happen again now the
43:58
Speaker 6: saying that the report injury right now, saying that he
44:00
Speaker 6: has an illness, and my soucier told me the other
44:03
Speaker 6: day he was sick also the other day and you
44:06
Speaker 6: got it out with that triple double against the man
44:08
Speaker 6: be heat. He can do it often because the way
44:10
Speaker 6: the Jazz play, he's almost now a point center. He's
44:14
Speaker 6: out there on perimeter, usually top of the circle. And
44:17
Speaker 6: they Jazz do a good job as far as cutting
44:19
Speaker 6: action and Creante George and those players, and Cody Williams
44:23
Speaker 6: now is emerging as really a smart velocity cutter and
44:28
Speaker 6: use of Nurkice has enough skills and you know you
44:31
Speaker 6: have they shown. We're in the secutor together. I mentioned
44:33
Speaker 6: and people will text me about it. I described a
44:36
Speaker 6: Nurkic about as far as far as a grapefruit passer
44:40
Speaker 6: with the balls almost like a grapefruit, and he has
44:42
Speaker 6: the ball out there and he throws those rocket passes
44:46
Speaker 6: on time, on target to the cutters. So we can
44:48
Speaker 6: expect that. I'm not sure all the time, but most often.
44:54
Speaker 3: All right, what are you expecting from this Utah Jazz
44:57
Speaker 3: team in the in this game, in the next a
45:00
Speaker 3: couple of games.
45:01
Speaker 6: Well, the first thing is showing I hope tonight he
45:03
Speaker 6: can play that Larry Markins. You know, last night, I
45:07
Speaker 6: taped the game. I watched the game this morning by
45:10
Speaker 6: U versus Arizona and relations game. So Larry Markin is
45:13
Speaker 6: there at the game? Okay, good, that's just that's your Alamada,
45:16
Speaker 6: the Arizona Wildcats, So I get it. You should be there. Fine.
45:20
Speaker 6: So with that said, he has illness, so he's recovering,
45:25
Speaker 6: So helpe you play tonight because with Larry marketing. When
45:29
Speaker 6: Larry Markin does not play for the Jazz this season,
45:33
Speaker 6: the Jazz record is one and twelve. The only one
45:37
Speaker 6: they had is when they last week when the Jazz
45:40
Speaker 6: beat the Chi Wolves here at the Delta Center. So
45:43
Speaker 6: hope you play and if you're at the game last night,
45:46
Speaker 6: being in provo. That tells us people that he's feeling better,
45:52
Speaker 6: which is good, and hopefully he'll chance to play because
45:54
Speaker 6: he's he's a tremendous player. And I'm saying that first hand.
45:58
Speaker 6: The Jazz is saying that also, they're going to rest
46:00
Speaker 6: and I can't they George, and this is caun't de George.
46:03
Speaker 6: This only be the second time he missed the game
46:06
Speaker 6: this season. He missed one earlier. He doesn't play tonight,
46:10
Speaker 6: so we thro his credit. He's played, he's answered the
46:12
Speaker 6: bell really for forty four out of forty six games,
46:16
Speaker 6: and the Jasney County George to be successful. So I
46:19
Speaker 6: see what I seat tonight. Though, if those two guys
46:21
Speaker 6: don't play, then the Jason other players to step it up,
46:25
Speaker 6: and that would be players like will say, Kyle you
46:27
Speaker 6: has got to play a tremendous right sense of ball
46:31
Speaker 6: yusef nurcut play, if Kevin love Well, if that contusion
46:35
Speaker 6: play of knee contusion, hopefully will play well. Nothing though,
46:38
Speaker 6: from the Clippers point of view, for them, they're looking
46:42
Speaker 6: at trying to get a win to keep going full
46:44
Speaker 6: because right out of Clippers right now or the tenth
46:46
Speaker 6: UH place in the Western Conference, and so they've got
46:50
Speaker 6: to try to do some heavy lifting to get back
46:53
Speaker 6: into into a playoff contention. Meanwhile, I finish up four,
46:58
Speaker 6: five or six Kawhi Leonard less. Time the Jazz played
47:02
Speaker 6: against the Clippers, it was on New Year's Day night
47:08
Speaker 6: and Kawhi scored forty five points, including sewing a bloody nose.
47:12
Speaker 6: Remember the game, he hit his nose and his nose
47:15
Speaker 6: is bleeding. He had to hear his his nose as
47:18
Speaker 6: far as during the game. They kept on putting around
47:21
Speaker 6: his nose a cloth and stuff. But he got forty
47:24
Speaker 6: five points against the Jets, so he's played tremendous. He
47:28
Speaker 6: has his quick numbers for Kawhi Leonard to set the
47:30
Speaker 6: stations for tonight's game, and the Jets got to try
47:32
Speaker 6: to slow him down. He's averaging twenty five point six
47:36
Speaker 6: points per game UH shooting from the shooting from the
47:40
Speaker 6: free throw line, ninety point one four point nine rebounds,
47:44
Speaker 6: shooting from the field forty nine point eight, shooting from
47:47
Speaker 6: three point range forty one point nine. So he's played
47:50
Speaker 6: tremendous for them, and he's really a he's really a
47:54
Speaker 6: great two way player. When he's healthy, he's very good.
47:57
Speaker 6: And let's not forget former jazz man John Collins, who's
48:02
Speaker 6: involved in a trade last summer. He's done a good
48:04
Speaker 6: job for the Clippers. He's averaging thirteen point four points
48:07
Speaker 6: per game. He's shooting really a solid fifty five point
48:10
Speaker 6: six from the field, but also forty three point six
48:14
Speaker 6: from three. And he's done. He's done a really a
48:17
Speaker 6: solid job for them to fit in where he can
48:20
Speaker 6: play inside and outside, and you like them a lot.
48:23
Speaker 6: The last point about the Clippers, they are the second
48:28
Speaker 6: slowest team in the NBA as far as pace, the
48:31
Speaker 6: only other they're ranked them a twenty nine. The only
48:33
Speaker 6: other team shown that's slower than the Clippers is the Celts,
48:39
Speaker 6: meaning that both these teams play basically a half court game,
48:44
Speaker 6: and they rely on the brilliance of James Harden and
48:46
Speaker 6: the brilliance of Kawhi Leonard and just and they're getting
48:49
Speaker 6: zoobots involved in the offense, so they don't want to
48:52
Speaker 6: play fast moneys to steal. They want to get the
48:55
Speaker 6: ball to Harden, who's ball dominant, and Kawhi Leonard and
48:59
Speaker 6: go organize isolation. So the Jack point of view, you've
49:02
Speaker 6: got to overplay the passing lanes. You have to get
49:04
Speaker 6: up into the into the dribble and try to force
49:07
Speaker 6: them to pass the ball and play sometimes zone and
49:10
Speaker 6: often the night defense. When the ball comes back to them,
49:13
Speaker 6: be ready to give early help. It should be a
49:15
Speaker 6: good game.
49:17
Speaker 2: Cory, what's your list today?
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Speaker 4: All right?
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Speaker 6: List today, Sean. I've been thinking about the NFL as
49:22
Speaker 6: you are, is that this list today is the most
49:26
Speaker 6: Korea regular season games of ten assist and no turnovers.
49:32
Speaker 6: So Sean, ten assist and no turnovers. And I'm going
49:36
Speaker 6: to credit the football w equivalent of a quarterback for
49:40
Speaker 6: in his career. How many games does a quarterback in
49:43
Speaker 6: the NFL have? Three touchdowns and no interceptions? Three touchdowns
49:49
Speaker 6: and no picks or fumble by a quarterback. So here
49:54
Speaker 6: we are Korea. Ten assist and no turnovers. It's almost
49:59
Speaker 6: like pitching your perfect game and just behead the attributes.
50:03
Speaker 6: One control of your body, mind, and dribble. Once you
50:07
Speaker 6: penetrate into the lane, are you under control your body,
50:11
Speaker 6: your mind and your dribble? Two you value the ball.
50:16
Speaker 6: You have the ball in your hands, you value it
50:18
Speaker 6: versus reckless play. And three superior decision making. Here we go,
50:24
Speaker 6: number ten all time with the most tennis sist no
50:27
Speaker 6: turnover game. Avery Johnson he did it eighteen times. Four
50:33
Speaker 6: players typhon for ninth place all time. They are Steve Nash,
50:39
Speaker 6: former youth standout, Andre Miller, Nick Van Exel, and Gary Payton.
50:44
Speaker 6: Those four guys did it nineteen times Tennis SIS and
50:48
Speaker 6: no turnovers Number eight all time. Mookie Blaylock did it
50:52
Speaker 6: twenty times. Number seven. Tremendous Spaniard point guard who played
50:57
Speaker 6: for the Raptors and for the Trailblazers. J Calderon did
51:01
Speaker 6: it twenty one times. Number six. He got hurt last
51:05
Speaker 6: year in game seven for the Indiana Pacers. Who knows
51:08
Speaker 6: what had happened if he would have played. Tyrese Alberton
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Speaker 6: has twenty two times already his career tennis SIT and
51:15
Speaker 6: no turnovers Number five all time. Mark Jackson did it
51:19
Speaker 6: twenty six, number four. He's the head coach of the
51:22
Speaker 6: Dallas Mavericks. Hall of Famer Jason Kidd did it twenty
51:25
Speaker 6: seven times. Number three. I had the privileged coach's guy
51:28
Speaker 6: for sixteen years. John Stockton had forty four times Tennis
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Speaker 6: SITH and no turnovers Number two all time, which is
51:37
Speaker 6: really surprising because this guy was only five foot three.
51:41
Speaker 6: We all love him. Tyrone Mugie Bows had tennis sith
51:45
Speaker 6: and no turnovers forty six times in his career. It's amazing.
51:49
Speaker 6: And the number one player with the most ever perfect
51:53
Speaker 6: games as far as no turnovers but tennis sis is
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Speaker 6: Chris Paul He did it sixty times in his career.
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Speaker 6: Thus that's my list of today.
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Speaker 3: I'm surprised by Halliburton being on that list.
52:07
Speaker 7: Yeah I was.
52:09
Speaker 6: Yeah, twenty two and county, which means that Seawan when
52:13
Speaker 6: he penetrates, think that way he plays, he's in the lane,
52:17
Speaker 6: he penetrates, he makes good decisions. He can take a
52:20
Speaker 6: hit in the lane. So guy bumps you off balance
52:23
Speaker 6: and so suddenly it could be a turnable walking violation
52:26
Speaker 6: or bad pass. He's able to have enough why a
52:28
Speaker 6: body balance and presence of mind, and that's why the
52:32
Speaker 6: Pacers were almost world champions. He got hurt and set
52:35
Speaker 6: them back the whole season, and they get him back
52:38
Speaker 6: next ure up the injury and they think they're going
52:40
Speaker 6: to be a rising team again next season. In the
52:43
Speaker 6: East Sean, how many quarterbacks you think could do that?
52:47
Speaker 6: Have Korea three touchdown passes in a game and no interceptions.
52:54
Speaker 3: Well, if you could pull that off, you're in the
52:57
Speaker 3: MVP conversation and you're one of the highest paid guys
53:01
Speaker 3: in the league.
53:02
Speaker 6: That's it very much, And so Manchie Bogus. For the
53:04
Speaker 6: young listeners, here was this guy that played at wake Forest.
53:08
Speaker 6: Yes you heard me say it right. He was five
53:11
Speaker 6: foot three. He was almost impossible to stay in front
53:15
Speaker 6: off the dribble. But to his credit, once he get penetrated,
53:19
Speaker 6: let's say, among all the trees in the lane, he
53:22
Speaker 6: was able to have his own branch, meaning what stand
53:26
Speaker 6: of control and make some great passes, whether it's kick
53:29
Speaker 6: out to the corner or low pass in short corner
53:32
Speaker 6: spacing where a guy would catch high, finish high after elevating.
53:35
Speaker 6: And Mortie Boges was an interesting guy and we all
53:39
Speaker 6: love him.
53:42
Speaker 3: Gordia. Always enjoy catching up with you. Talk to you
53:44
Speaker 3: get on Thursday.
53:45
Speaker 6: Thanks man, Thanks Sean, peace out, stay well.
53:47
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Speaker 3: Uh Pro Football Sports College effectively a Pro Football Focus
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Speaker 3: type site as take this with whatever grade assault you want,
54:43
Speaker 3: but has released some draft grades for draft eligible utes
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Speaker 3: Spencer Fano round one draft grade and the ninth overall
54:54
Speaker 3: best draft grade that they handed out. Caleb b Lomu
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Speaker 3: round one draft gade grade twelve overall draft grade that
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Speaker 3: they handed out. Uh Lander Barton, this is interesting. Round
55:07
Speaker 3: three or four we'll see, we'll see. I think this
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55:17
Speaker 3: movement he shows at the combine and similar workouts. But
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Speaker 3: round three or four Downan Bentley a fourth round draft grade.
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Speaker 3: Jared Cump, Michael Mochafisi, and Logan Fano also mentioned as
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Speaker 3: undrafted free agents.
55:37
Speaker 2: I'd like to know.
55:40
Speaker 3: The ceiling on. I think Jared Cump is a guy
55:44
Speaker 3: who should get a phone call, but his age is
55:46
Speaker 3: gonna work against him. I think Michael Mokafisi is a
55:49
Speaker 3: guy who probably sort of quietly ends up on a
55:53
Speaker 3: roster or a practice squad at the very least.
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Speaker 2: Uh tyan TONI. I don't know where his name is
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Speaker 2: on this list. Logan Fano.
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Speaker 3: You would have liked to see more of Logan Fano
56:05
Speaker 3: at the University of Utah because he was not ever
56:10
Speaker 3: really able to put together an uninterrupted healthy season, and
56:18
Speaker 3: as a red shirt junior, he could have come back
56:20
Speaker 3: for another year, he declared for the draft. I think
56:23
Speaker 3: he wants to do the journey with his brother. Maybe
56:28
Speaker 3: you could see this reversed. There's enough going on in
56:35
Speaker 3: college basketball right now where eventually there's gonna be plenty
56:38
Speaker 3: of football players that are just like, you know what,
56:41
Speaker 3: never mind, I'm gonna come back and play college football.
56:44
Speaker 3: I don't want that precedent to be set necessarily, but
56:47
Speaker 3: I would like to see Logan Fano back at the
56:49
Speaker 3: University of Utah instead of trying to grind his way
56:52
Speaker 3: onto an NFL roster via the undrafted free agent route.
56:58
Speaker 3: Take those grades with the grain of salt. There's plenty
57:02
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57:06
Speaker 3: all that really matters is whether or not there's a
57:09
Speaker 3: team and there's a staff that want you, everyone is
57:13
Speaker 3: probably like, Yeah, Spencer Fonnald, we really like him, let's
57:16
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57:20
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Speaker 7: They're like, oh, Sean O'Connell, the MMA guy had the
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Speaker 7: funny MMA guy. That's Hilyricus. Yeah, Hey, last night was
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Speaker 7: wild Man. A great atmosphere a bunch of the jazz
59:27
Speaker 7: guys were there. Of course, the wildcat Lowry marking in.
59:30
Speaker 7: There are a ton of national media descended on the
59:33
Speaker 7: on the game, and it delivered from an entertainment standpoint.
59:36
Speaker 8: I mean, boy was.
59:37
Speaker 7: Getting out played quite a bit for about thirty eight
59:40
Speaker 7: minutes to that, and then suddenly by Willson down to
59:43
Speaker 7: one somehow. I mean there's a flagrant one, a jump ball,
59:48
Speaker 7: all kinds of things happening. Then offensive alcohol I didn't
59:52
Speaker 7: agree with. But Boi benefit Trump, you know, hashtag Tony Padilla.
59:56
Speaker 7: So it was it was wild man, and uh, you know,
59:59
Speaker 7: BOI had a look and Brydon Burry's made an incredible
1:00:02
Speaker 7: defensive play just bailing on Canard Davis. He bill ruffles it,
1:00:05
Speaker 7: so he tips it and possessed it, and then you know,
1:00:09
Speaker 7: BOI loses by three. So Cougar's man A J. D.
1:00:12
Speaker 7: Bonsa and Robert at the third went nine to forty,
1:00:14
Speaker 7: and BOI had a possession to try and win that.
1:00:17
Speaker 7: What if they just have an average game, Like, does
1:00:20
Speaker 7: Boi you win the game? I mean it was it
1:00:22
Speaker 7: was wild I don't take a single moral victory from
1:00:24
Speaker 7: the situation. You know, BOI lost but like it's it's
1:00:28
Speaker 7: encouraging in terms of I guess that is more victory.
1:00:31
Speaker 7: You didn't play that well and we're right there with
1:00:34
Speaker 7: clearly the best team in the country. So I hope
1:00:37
Speaker 7: Boid gets after it and plays a great game at
1:00:39
Speaker 7: Kansas Saturday.
1:00:40
Speaker 3: So you've got an opportunity for a quad one win
1:00:43
Speaker 3: against Kansas on Saturday. Obviously that's a really good team.
1:00:49
Speaker 3: You got a bunch of really good teams on the
1:00:51
Speaker 3: slate for BYU, because that's how life is in this
1:00:55
Speaker 3: Big twelve conference.
1:00:56
Speaker 2: Before we move on to Kansas.
1:00:58
Speaker 3: Though you already mentioned the inefficiencies of Debonza and of
1:01:02
Speaker 3: Rob right the third AJ, we've seen like really really
1:01:07
Speaker 3: incredible moments from him where you're like, oh, that's the
1:01:09
Speaker 3: number one overall pick. We've seen less than that the
1:01:13
Speaker 3: real version the I mean, he's a freshman, so you
1:01:16
Speaker 3: got to give it some grace, but like the average
1:01:21
Speaker 3: version of AJ Debonsa, is he the number one player
1:01:23
Speaker 3: in college basketball?
1:01:25
Speaker 7: I think he is. And I'm really impressed by Darren
1:01:28
Speaker 7: Peterson win healthy. The only issue with Darren is he's
1:01:31
Speaker 7: just not healthy, and he had kind of a quad issue,
1:01:34
Speaker 7: dehydration issues and then he rolled his ankle a couple
1:01:37
Speaker 7: of games ago. I don't think he played last weekend.
1:01:39
Speaker 7: We'll see if he he is good to go on Saturday.
1:01:42
Speaker 7: I certainly hope he is. I think that matchup with
1:01:44
Speaker 7: T and AJ would be really fun. But yeah, to
1:01:46
Speaker 7: your point about AJ, by the way, he didn't turn
1:01:49
Speaker 7: nineteen until Thursday of this week, so happy birthday a
1:01:51
Speaker 7: Jay and is an eighteen year old kids still in
1:01:55
Speaker 7: a man's body for sure, six nine foot wingspan, so skilled.
1:01:59
Speaker 7: I do he should be the number one pick in
1:02:01
Speaker 7: the draft. I think he's the most ready right now.
1:02:04
Speaker 7: And if I was that teams GM, I wouldn't pick AJ.
1:02:07
Speaker 7: But obviously I've got an extreme bias given that I've
1:02:10
Speaker 7: got no AJ and the family and they're amazing, great character.
1:02:14
Speaker 7: He's gonna be everything you want the front facing number
1:02:18
Speaker 7: one pick potentially to be. If he's not number one,
1:02:20
Speaker 7: he's gonna be the top three for sure with Cam
1:02:23
Speaker 7: Boozer of Duke and Dan Peterson Kansas. So he's been good,
1:02:27
Speaker 7: and yeah, he had a low point against Texas Tech
1:02:29
Speaker 7: thirteen points. He was getting the shots he won, he
1:02:32
Speaker 7: just didn't make a lot of them in Texas Texas
1:02:34
Speaker 7: a good defensive team as well. Arizona's defense is really good.
1:02:38
Speaker 7: They have a lot of good physical guards, and you
1:02:41
Speaker 7: know they have refreshming themselves in the starting lineup, notably
1:02:44
Speaker 7: Cole Pete, Braden Burry's. These guys are first rounders too.
1:02:47
Speaker 7: I think in Cole Pete's probably the top ten guy.
1:02:50
Speaker 7: Burry's playing himself maybe in the top ten, top fifteen,
1:02:52
Speaker 7: So there are no slows. It was a good matchup
1:02:55
Speaker 7: in six twenty four. Certainly not what AJ wanted, but
1:02:57
Speaker 7: he did go to the line sixteen times, threw a
1:03:00
Speaker 7: lot of fouls, able to get to the strike, and
1:03:03
Speaker 7: so yeah, this is good for a J, it's good
1:03:06
Speaker 7: for BYU, and he could he have played a little
1:03:09
Speaker 7: bit better. Absolutely, his dad wants him to pull down
1:03:11
Speaker 7: ten boards a game. So after he scores forty three
1:03:15
Speaker 7: against the Utes, eight, DeVonta was like, not good enough,
1:03:18
Speaker 7: didn't get ten boards.
1:03:21
Speaker 2: That's uh, we all we all knew. Dad's like that.
1:03:24
Speaker 3: I'm very lucky I didn't have one because I was
1:03:27
Speaker 3: not getting ten boards or forty three points.
1:03:31
Speaker 7: Yeah, my dad was just happy I was on the
1:03:33
Speaker 7: team at all. So different levels of support. Eight told
1:03:38
Speaker 7: me one time he said. He told AJ, when it
1:03:41
Speaker 7: comes to you and your progress and what you could become,
1:03:43
Speaker 7: he said, I'm not going to be your friend. I'm
1:03:44
Speaker 7: going to be your kind of manager and help coach
1:03:47
Speaker 7: you and push you, and we're going to get to
1:03:49
Speaker 7: a certain level here. It was it was one summer
1:03:51
Speaker 7: when he was a teenager and he grew five inches
1:03:53
Speaker 7: and that's when he was AJ said, I was playing
1:03:56
Speaker 7: basketball fun before that, but then I realized, wait, I
1:03:58
Speaker 7: could actually be in the end if I work hard enough.
1:04:01
Speaker 7: And so he put his head down, and so far,
1:04:04
Speaker 7: so good. He's been incredible this year and hopefully Boyd
1:04:07
Speaker 7: plays a great game at Kansas. As you mentioned, not
1:04:09
Speaker 7: just the quad one opportunity, it's a quad one A.
1:04:12
Speaker 7: So what that means is like the better ones, there's
1:04:14
Speaker 7: one B in one A one A for a road
1:04:16
Speaker 7: game would be one through forty, neutral one through thirty,
1:04:19
Speaker 7: and then home game one through fifteen. This is road
1:04:21
Speaker 7: So Joey does not have a Quad one A win.
1:04:24
Speaker 7: There're owing three in the quad one A opportunities. It's
1:04:26
Speaker 7: a much needed piece of the resume, and bo has
1:04:29
Speaker 7: lots of opportunities. But if you want to be a
1:04:31
Speaker 7: top three seed. I think a four seed for me
1:04:34
Speaker 7: with BOYU would be a little disappointing. If they're not
1:04:37
Speaker 7: inside the top twelve teams there going into March Madness,
1:04:41
Speaker 7: that'd be a little bummer because I think this boy's
1:04:43
Speaker 7: over talented. They and they have the schedule too, narrative
1:04:46
Speaker 7: from non conference and obviously in the Big twelve, so
1:04:49
Speaker 7: it's a big game for that. You want to add
1:04:50
Speaker 7: those quad one A not just quad one but quad
1:04:53
Speaker 7: one A wins as well.
1:04:55
Speaker 3: So I this is very much a Utah Lens type
1:04:59
Speaker 3: of coach to watching this game.
1:05:02
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, But.
1:05:04
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, BYU, playing against the
1:05:06
Speaker 3: number one team in the country, played hard, fought hard,
1:05:09
Speaker 3: got themselves a chance to win, it ultimately came up short.
1:05:12
Speaker 3: Not wholly dissimilar from when Utah hosted BYU.
1:05:17
Speaker 2: At the Huntsman Center.
1:05:18
Speaker 3: Now, obviously the level of talent on these two different
1:05:21
Speaker 3: teams is where the analogy of aperates. But I didn't
1:05:25
Speaker 3: come away from that Utah game against BYU thinking we'll
1:05:30
Speaker 3: get them next time at the Marriott Center. And you know,
1:05:34
Speaker 3: my realism proved to be correct when Utah made the
1:05:37
Speaker 3: return trip down to Provo. When BYU goes to Tucson.
1:05:41
Speaker 3: Did you see enough? And you already mentioned you know
1:05:44
Speaker 3: they shot poorly from the stripe, they shot poorly from
1:05:46
Speaker 3: the field, at least their two best players. Did Do
1:05:49
Speaker 3: you look at this one and say, well, we'll get
1:05:52
Speaker 3: them on their home floor as long as we clean
1:05:54
Speaker 3: those things up.
1:05:55
Speaker 2: Did what you see last night?
1:05:56
Speaker 3: I know you're not a moral victory's guy, that's the
1:05:58
Speaker 3: correct way to be, But did you see enough there
1:06:01
Speaker 3: that you're like, I think we could split the regular
1:06:03
Speaker 3: season matchup?
1:06:05
Speaker 7: Honestly, I didn't even think of it in those terms
1:06:08
Speaker 7: because at Arizona, who's the number one team in the country.
1:06:11
Speaker 7: To feel confident going into that game is almost nuts.
1:06:14
Speaker 7: Even though BOI played a good home game, Like you're
1:06:16
Speaker 7: men you said, I'm more like, Okay, what does this
1:06:19
Speaker 7: mean for Saturday against Kansas? And then oh, by the way,
1:06:22
Speaker 7: the next home game is Houston on February seventh, and oh,
1:06:25
Speaker 7: by the way, Iowa States coming in February twenty first,
1:06:27
Speaker 7: those could be other top ten teams Texas Tech on
1:06:30
Speaker 7: senior Day, perhaps freshman day for a Jdvonta, right, and
1:06:35
Speaker 7: this probably final home game, right, Like, for sure, it's
1:06:38
Speaker 7: to me, it's more about that, like I'm not even
1:06:40
Speaker 7: I'm not even worried about Arizona. Not that I'm taking
1:06:42
Speaker 7: it one game at a time, I'm taking it many
1:06:44
Speaker 7: games at a time. But I just think, Okay, if
1:06:46
Speaker 7: you want to learn some lessons here that they play
1:06:48
Speaker 7: Saturday and they win at Kansas, you're on schedule still.
1:06:51
Speaker 7: I mean, you you wanted to be at Arizona, but
1:06:55
Speaker 7: you probably shouldn't have been a numb one team in
1:06:56
Speaker 7: the country undefeated. Yes, you're thirteen, you have AJA, Like
1:07:00
Speaker 7: a win wouldn't have been a massive upset. I think
1:07:02
Speaker 7: the line is like one and a half, and for
1:07:04
Speaker 7: some people, Boa was even favored. But it's more like, okay,
1:07:08
Speaker 7: because as awesome as the Big three are, parts had
1:07:11
Speaker 7: some significant injuries that have affected sort of how quickly
1:07:14
Speaker 7: certain role players have been thrust into certain positions. So
1:07:17
Speaker 7: like No, Dactin Baker, he would have been your sixth man.
1:07:20
Speaker 7: He's out for the year, wrecked his knee in around Thanksgiving.
1:07:23
Speaker 7: Nate Pickens was supposed to be the backup footguard. Brody
1:07:25
Speaker 7: Koslowski was a top one hundred guy that was injured
1:07:28
Speaker 7: last year coming into the year, didn't heal up right,
1:07:31
Speaker 7: he was supposed to be a stretch four that could
1:07:32
Speaker 7: rebound and knock down three. Without those three guys, they've
1:07:36
Speaker 7: really had to put extra weight on the bar for
1:07:39
Speaker 7: the big three. And then Cadarn Davis just missed eighteen
1:07:42
Speaker 7: threes in a row, but then he made his last
1:07:44
Speaker 7: five in the second half. Did he wake up?
1:07:46
Speaker 4: You? Hope?
1:07:46
Speaker 7: K but Kata, any game can be a guy that
1:07:48
Speaker 7: goes for fifteen and fifteen And so you're really asking
1:07:52
Speaker 7: a lot of these three and Eve invested a lot.
1:07:54
Speaker 7: You should ask a lot. But it's been a little
1:07:57
Speaker 7: more and I think they're getting used to sort of
1:07:59
Speaker 7: that situation, especially in these games against the top tier
1:08:01
Speaker 7: talent like Texas Tech and are.
1:08:03
Speaker 4: Is that.
1:08:04
Speaker 3: Is this the best time in history to be a
1:08:06
Speaker 3: BYU season ticket holder in their sports? Obviously the revenue
1:08:11
Speaker 3: producing sports. You got you already rattled through some of
1:08:15
Speaker 3: the matchups that you get at the Marriott Center this year,
1:08:19
Speaker 3: and then you know, the football schedule release shows you
1:08:23
Speaker 3: that you've got some really fun stuff happening, including a
1:08:27
Speaker 3: Notre Dame visit in week seven for the football team.
1:08:30
Speaker 7: Are you saying is it better than playing New Mexico,
1:08:34
Speaker 7: Wyoming and I'm just kidding. Yeah, for sure, man, Like
1:08:36
Speaker 7: it's it's awesome. And I would argue the same for Utah,
1:08:40
Speaker 7: you know in terms of like, hey, what's ahead of
1:08:43
Speaker 7: us in the Pac twelve. That was pretty fun for
1:08:44
Speaker 7: a while, So maybe there's an argument there. But for me,
1:08:46
Speaker 7: why you coming out of the Mountain West and independence
1:08:49
Speaker 7: and where are you aways at competitively? No question? Amazing.
1:08:53
Speaker 7: Brian Santiager said a million times the best time to
1:08:56
Speaker 7: be a Koog ever, And yeah, it's great. You're always
1:08:59
Speaker 7: competing super high level. They bought in, they're all in,
1:09:01
Speaker 7: They're they're they're trying to compete at that level. And
1:09:05
Speaker 7: the hope is BUA can validate the investment and the
1:09:08
Speaker 7: great coaching and the culture and everything that's kind of
1:09:10
Speaker 7: been there. But now that it's the nil are in.
1:09:13
Speaker 7: You have the right You have the perfect coaches for
1:09:15
Speaker 7: your football and basketball team in the world for right now,
1:09:18
Speaker 7: Like I literally Colinia is perfect for football as a
1:09:22
Speaker 7: member of the church and Kevin Young is the greatest
1:09:26
Speaker 7: coach on the planet. You wick to get who's a member.
1:09:27
Speaker 4: Of the church.
1:09:28
Speaker 7: For the basketball team, they have the right people at
1:09:30
Speaker 7: the right time. And that's equaling pretty special stuff right now.
1:09:34
Speaker 7: So let's see if BOA can't validate that with like
1:09:36
Speaker 7: an Elite eight in in men's basketball, with a Big
1:09:39
Speaker 7: twelve title or and or college football playoffs in football,
1:09:42
Speaker 7: that is the next step for these these groups.
1:09:45
Speaker 2: Jerem Jordan is our guest here a little Red and Blue.
1:09:47
Speaker 3: We were behind enemy lines talking some BYU brought to
1:09:50
Speaker 3: you by Murdoch Ford Santa Quinn. Great deals on the
1:09:53
Speaker 3: Broncos and the F one fifties left over from the
1:09:57
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five stock focusing on this BYU football schedule.
1:10:02
Speaker 3: We haven't had you on since the schedule release, if
1:10:04
Speaker 3: my memory serves me properly, And I just alluded to
1:10:08
Speaker 3: the Notre Dame game Week seven, the rivalry game, the
1:10:12
Speaker 3: Holy War is again week ten. I spent five minutes
1:10:15
Speaker 3: ranting about how it is better placed in Rivalry weekend.
1:10:19
Speaker 3: The case that the conference makes is that, no, it's
1:10:22
Speaker 3: more nationally recognized when it's not buried with all the
1:10:25
Speaker 3: other rivalry games in that final weekend of the season.
1:10:29
Speaker 7: Where do you stand, Yeah, I would love it in
1:10:32
Speaker 7: rivalry week because my personal investment is not in what
1:10:35
Speaker 7: is best for the league. What is best for audience viewership.
1:10:39
Speaker 7: It's just, you know what, you don't understand the tradition,
1:10:42
Speaker 7: you know anyone the league or what it's been the
1:10:46
Speaker 7: last week and it made the stakes crazy high for
1:10:49
Speaker 7: conference championships so many times. Or in two thousand when
1:10:53
Speaker 7: it's Flabell's last game and it's Ron McBride and at
1:10:56
Speaker 7: the end of the season and neither team's making a
1:10:57
Speaker 7: bowl game and it's still mattered. It might have been,
1:11:01
Speaker 7: might have been the biggest yet at that point, even
1:11:03
Speaker 7: though there was no postseason play involved. It just I
1:11:06
Speaker 7: would love it the last week. It's not the end
1:11:08
Speaker 7: of the world that it's November seventh, but I was
1:11:11
Speaker 7: really hoping, hey, let's correct this and let's play this
1:11:16
Speaker 7: the last weekend and it's gonna be awesome. And if
1:11:19
Speaker 7: it's November seventh, okay, But then part of me thinks, well,
1:11:22
Speaker 7: why not make it even earlier than to ensure that
1:11:24
Speaker 7: the weather's probably better. I don't know, but yeah, at
1:11:28
Speaker 7: you thought it's gonna be a massive game November seventh.
1:11:31
Speaker 7: I'm looking on espn BO schedule right now, tickets as
1:11:34
Speaker 7: low as four ninety seven, So everyone, good luck with us.
1:11:39
Speaker 3: It's like it's like the soccer World Cup. I was
1:11:41
Speaker 3: looking at some of those tickets and wanted to throw up.
1:11:43
Speaker 4: Bro.
1:11:44
Speaker 7: I thought it was going to go to like because
1:11:46
Speaker 7: I love soccer. I'm a big sucker fan. I love
1:11:49
Speaker 7: the United States team. I love Chelsea. That's my team
1:11:52
Speaker 7: I support, as they say. But I was like, oh no,
1:11:56
Speaker 7: this isn't happening. Too much demand, like I'm not going
1:12:00
Speaker 7: to the super Bowl for the Seahawks, Like it's too expensive,
1:12:03
Speaker 7: like all this stuff.
1:12:04
Speaker 2: I Uh.
1:12:05
Speaker 3: I had that sobering realization a couple of years ago
1:12:09
Speaker 3: when the Niners were playing in Vegas or I could
1:12:12
Speaker 3: get there very cheap, I could stay there for free,
1:12:16
Speaker 3: and it still was too expensive for me.
1:12:18
Speaker 2: To go in Vegas.
1:12:19
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I guess I'm never going to
1:12:21
Speaker 3: the super Bowl in my lifetime.
1:12:23
Speaker 7: I think I took out a heelock, you know, to
1:12:25
Speaker 7: finish the basement. But then I was like, let's in October.
1:12:29
Speaker 7: I was like, hey, Tate to my steven year olds, Tate,
1:12:32
Speaker 7: Michael Jordan's that's uh, let's go to Seattle and let's
1:12:35
Speaker 7: go to game one of the Mariners albs with the Tigers.
1:12:39
Speaker 7: And then the next day let's go to the Seahawks
1:12:43
Speaker 7: Bucks game, and then let's go to game two for
1:12:45
Speaker 7: the Mariners Tigers albs N. Well, I'm gonna be paying
1:12:49
Speaker 7: for that for a long time. But it was a
1:12:50
Speaker 7: core memory for my son, and I sure hope he
1:12:53
Speaker 7: appreciates that. I probably should I probably shouldn't have done it,
1:12:57
Speaker 7: but it was a tathmic trip.
1:12:58
Speaker 2: It was so fun because does he lock interest rate?
1:13:00
Speaker 2: Ain't that easy? Boy?
1:13:02
Speaker 4: I'm sure he doesn't know.
1:13:04
Speaker 7: He doesn't know that. You know, I didn't get the
1:13:06
Speaker 7: six months at point nine to nine percent this time?
1:13:09
Speaker 7: You know?
1:13:11
Speaker 3: Uh, the Kooks do have an early bye week, week,
1:13:15
Speaker 3: three bye week and then nine in a row and
1:13:18
Speaker 3: included in that nine in a row?
1:13:20
Speaker 2: Are you know?
1:13:21
Speaker 3: TCU never a slouch? Notre Dame Arizona State, Utah. Some
1:13:26
Speaker 3: people think Baylor's going to be good. We'll see. They
1:13:28
Speaker 3: had some success in the transfer portal nine in a
1:13:32
Speaker 3: row to finish the season. I know Kilanian company don't
1:13:34
Speaker 3: ever care, but this is what we do as fans.
1:13:38
Speaker 3: The schedule does it layout neutral, friendly or bad for BYU?
1:13:43
Speaker 7: I think it's pretty good. I like to warm up
1:13:46
Speaker 7: of you know in Utah Tech out of the gate
1:13:48
Speaker 7: you jump right into. Let's be honest, this might be
1:13:51
Speaker 7: a top two or three Big twelve game if Arizona
1:13:53
Speaker 7: is kind of what they were last year in BYU
1:13:55
Speaker 7: these are.
1:13:56
Speaker 2: I think Arizona's gonna be the game.
1:13:58
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Week two.
1:13:59
Speaker 7: That's a great game in Provo. B always had a
1:14:01
Speaker 7: lot of success with Arizona in Provo over the years.
1:14:03
Speaker 7: Get hopes that that's the case given what boy got back,
1:14:06
Speaker 7: which is basically everybody that could. I don't like G
1:14:09
Speaker 7: five road games. I just don't see the point in
1:14:12
Speaker 7: playing those. I know others have that opinion. I'm not
1:14:14
Speaker 7: making that decision, but I would prefer that Boa doesn't
1:14:17
Speaker 7: play a single G five road game ever. Again. Sorry,
1:14:20
Speaker 7: Utah States at TCU. Yeah, it's tough, and you go
1:14:23
Speaker 7: back back weeks on the road button bye week, so
1:14:25
Speaker 7: you go, okay. I always stayed at home, you know,
1:14:28
Speaker 7: notre dame at home. That's an important two game stretch
1:14:30
Speaker 7: there as well. For some reason, it feels like BO
1:14:32
Speaker 7: plays at UCF every year, even though I know that's
1:14:34
Speaker 7: not true. Yeah, asu ad you till you're kind of alternating.
1:14:38
Speaker 7: You're not on the road for like three weeks or
1:14:40
Speaker 7: home for three weeks, like at any point, I think
1:14:42
Speaker 7: it's pretty balanced. Pretty well, yeah, I would have put
1:14:44
Speaker 7: you ton a different spot. I think Notre Dame's in
1:14:47
Speaker 7: the decent spot. I would have loved, you know, a
1:14:49
Speaker 7: buy right before or after Notre Dame, just because I
1:14:51
Speaker 7: think that's You could argue that's the biggest game of
1:14:54
Speaker 7: the year because of By's need to sort of validate
1:14:58
Speaker 7: its resume for the College football playoffs given that it's
1:15:00
Speaker 7: going to be twelve teams again. If it was going
1:15:02
Speaker 7: to sixteen, I would feel like, Okay, if UI dropped two,
1:15:06
Speaker 7: they can still probably get in. But eleven and one
1:15:08
Speaker 7: wasn't good enough this year. And that's crazy because Boi's
1:15:12
Speaker 7: in the Big twelve. When Boa was in Independence, we
1:15:15
Speaker 7: felt like eleven and one might be good enough and
1:15:17
Speaker 7: it wasn't. In the Big twelve. That part, honestly, it's
1:15:20
Speaker 7: not the league's fault per se. Maybe it is. Is
1:15:23
Speaker 7: the most disappointing thing about this whole situation is wait
1:15:27
Speaker 7: a minute, biused in a power league and lost one
1:15:30
Speaker 7: game in the regular season and it wasn't enough. And
1:15:33
Speaker 7: the Tech come is, well, how about you play Texas
1:15:36
Speaker 7: Tech tight twice and you're probably in. That's the controllable part.
1:15:40
Speaker 7: It's not the committee. It's compete better in those games.
1:15:43
Speaker 7: So now BUI has a Notre Dame, which was a
1:15:45
Speaker 7: godsend you know for BYU, And then you know at
1:15:49
Speaker 7: Utah is always a massive game. It's going to be
1:15:51
Speaker 7: a fun schedule when BOI certainly can validate itself and
1:15:53
Speaker 7: hopefully get into the college football playoffs.
1:15:57
Speaker 3: Utah and BYU skip regular season matchup with Texas Tech.
1:16:02
Speaker 3: Now they graduate a lot of guys, They're gonna have
1:16:05
Speaker 3: a bunch of Red Raiders populating NFL rosters next year.
1:16:09
Speaker 3: We know that they don't have plans of slowing down
1:16:11
Speaker 3: in Lubbock. But do you think in the way, way
1:16:14
Speaker 3: too early prediction that Texas Tech is going to be
1:16:17
Speaker 3: next year what they were this past season.
1:16:20
Speaker 7: It's hard not to think they'd probably do that. But
1:16:24
Speaker 7: what has college football shown us historically? When you think
1:16:27
Speaker 7: you know something, you don't, you know, like Miami's going
1:16:29
Speaker 7: on their run was crazy, Indiana's the national champ. I mean,
1:16:33
Speaker 7: we've all sort of salivated over WHOA. If Indiana can
1:16:37
Speaker 7: do it, then why can't such and such teams? And
1:16:40
Speaker 7: so we don't know what's going to happen, man, But
1:16:42
Speaker 7: certainly the investment level, it's this high chance that whoever
1:16:45
Speaker 7: spends the most is probably going to win the most.
1:16:48
Speaker 7: Techs Tech did a great job of having that group
1:16:50
Speaker 7: come together. By the way, Boy, you brought in like
1:16:52
Speaker 7: thirty transfers in twenty twenty three and they went five
1:16:54
Speaker 7: and seven. Like, it doesn't always necessarily just work, even
1:16:58
Speaker 7: if the talent's there. How did the team match? What
1:17:01
Speaker 7: injuries happened? What's your schedule?
1:17:03
Speaker 1: Like?
1:17:03
Speaker 7: What was the weather on a given day? Blah blah blah.
1:17:06
Speaker 7: So they did a great job. I'd certainly like to
1:17:08
Speaker 7: think that it's JOYU and Texas Tech, but who knows. Man,
1:17:12
Speaker 7: Like the league, there's a lot of good and very
1:17:15
Speaker 7: good in the Big twelve? Is there a great team?
1:17:18
Speaker 7: We thought Texas Tech was great and then Gorgon gave
1:17:21
Speaker 7: him the SmackDown. You know, I'm hoping boy can graduate
1:17:23
Speaker 7: from very good to great. But that's something they got
1:17:27
Speaker 7: to prove again.
1:17:29
Speaker 3: Obviously the games in the fall, those are the wins
1:17:31
Speaker 3: that matter. But I think, you know, if I'm a
1:17:34
Speaker 3: BYU fan, I'm feeling pretty good about the transfer portal
1:17:38
Speaker 3: wins you had and I'm not just talking about the
1:17:41
Speaker 3: guys coming in. Katie Lewabe is going to be a
1:17:43
Speaker 3: heck of a player. I'm talking about the fact that
1:17:47
Speaker 3: everyone assumed, Oh, Jay Hill's going he's gonna take all
1:17:49
Speaker 3: your best defensive players with him, and he was not
1:17:52
Speaker 3: able to He didn't do that. And I know you
1:17:54
Speaker 3: and I already talked about this, but you know you've
1:17:56
Speaker 3: had a couple of weeks now. I'm sure you've heard stories,
1:17:59
Speaker 3: and I'm sure that there's conversations around the facilities down
1:18:02
Speaker 3: there about who got phone calls and how much did
1:18:04
Speaker 3: Michigan offer this cat and what about this guy?
1:18:08
Speaker 2: And I mean, from.
1:18:09
Speaker 3: What you have heard or what you know, how aggressive
1:18:12
Speaker 3: did BYU have to get to keep those guys or
1:18:15
Speaker 3: how much of it was just let's run it back
1:18:18
Speaker 3: and do what we were not able to do this
1:18:19
Speaker 3: last year.
1:18:21
Speaker 7: No, that they had to be aggressive, because even though
1:18:23
Speaker 7: there's a loyalty for certain guys to BYU to Kilanie too,
1:18:28
Speaker 7: you have to be competitive in NIL or it doesn't
1:18:31
Speaker 7: make sense for someone to turn down, say a Michigan
1:18:34
Speaker 7: or a similar opportunity like BYU. These guys do love
1:18:38
Speaker 7: each other and they love Kilanie and they do want
1:18:40
Speaker 7: to run it back. But if you're not competitive, you
1:18:42
Speaker 7: can't lowball them in that situation and feel like people
1:18:45
Speaker 7: are going to come back. That's not how this works anymore.
1:18:47
Speaker 7: It's also interesting too, Sean, I've learned this that if
1:18:51
Speaker 7: someone didn't get as much playing time as maybe they
1:18:54
Speaker 7: thought that, people are reaching out to players agents and saying, hey,
1:18:58
Speaker 7: are they unhappy? Here's what we could of this school, right,
1:19:01
Speaker 7: like all that's happening. So for BYU, you have to
1:19:04
Speaker 7: be very strategic about like who's getting how much playing
1:19:07
Speaker 7: time and why and what leverage is sort of used
1:19:10
Speaker 7: in those situations too, because I know of at least
1:19:13
Speaker 7: one player where he got nearly doublin NIL because he
1:19:16
Speaker 7: was being rotated with someone and people were asking him,
1:19:19
Speaker 7: hey is agent, hey is he is he happy or not?
1:19:23
Speaker 7: And then suddenly there was leverage. So playing time and
1:19:26
Speaker 7: how you use a player can be used against you
1:19:29
Speaker 7: in NIL to leverage more for that player by that agent,
1:19:33
Speaker 7: even if there is a loyalty to that school. So
1:19:37
Speaker 7: it's it's wild, man, I don't know how we got here.
1:19:41
Speaker 7: We're never going back, but can you imagine pro sports?
1:19:44
Speaker 7: I know it feels like Kevin Durantz traded almost every year,
1:19:46
Speaker 7: But like, can you imagine pro sports being this crazy?
1:19:49
Speaker 7: Like we don't know if Lowery market and chance George,
1:19:52
Speaker 7: you're gonna be here next year because the might go
1:19:53
Speaker 7: to a different thing. But like what this is absolutely
1:19:56
Speaker 7: insane and therefore it is unbelievable what by you did
1:20:00
Speaker 7: in retaining as many people as they lost. They lost
1:20:03
Speaker 7: Max Alford to Michigan. He's a backup linebacker towards a
1:20:07
Speaker 7: cl Best luck to Max. But that's not one where
1:20:10
Speaker 7: boy's going, oh crap, we lost Max, and I think
1:20:12
Speaker 7: he has I think his dad's on the staff at Michigan,
1:20:15
Speaker 7: so there's a connection there. It's unbelievable that Boa lost
1:20:18
Speaker 7: only one coach and one player to Michigan that was,
1:20:22
Speaker 7: and retained who they did. Part Bachmeyer could have got
1:20:25
Speaker 7: probably more money somewhere else, but he got to pay
1:20:28
Speaker 7: race at the y U and he wants the continuity
1:20:31
Speaker 7: and the culture and Kolonia and these teammates and to
1:20:33
Speaker 7: run it back. It's it's simply amazing. Like I have
1:20:36
Speaker 7: still almost in shock what BOI pulled off. And they
1:20:40
Speaker 7: added very strategically from the portal to add some really
1:20:44
Speaker 7: nice pieces that I think will fit.
1:20:46
Speaker 4: Well.
1:20:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes me feel a little gross inside that
1:20:49
Speaker 3: you might lose Jack Kelly and still upgrade at that position.
1:20:52
Speaker 7: That's isn't that crazy? Cad is a heat seeking missile.
1:20:56
Speaker 7: He's one of the best uh you know, pressure uh
1:21:01
Speaker 7: linebackers in the country. I'm interested to see how they
1:21:03
Speaker 7: use them exactly the fact that you get you know,
1:21:06
Speaker 7: you raid the old pack twelve basically for linemen, tight
1:21:10
Speaker 7: ends and so on, receiver like and there are certain
1:21:13
Speaker 7: guys that are unproven that hope that this is their opportunity.
1:21:16
Speaker 7: I think we saw that with Carson Ryan, who was
1:21:18
Speaker 7: used somewhat and then he was used heavily this year
1:21:20
Speaker 7: and he was awesome. He's got the Senior Bowl this week.
1:21:24
Speaker 7: I'm excited to see you know, Roger Us, Sally Opaga
1:21:26
Speaker 7: and walk Walker Lyons and at tight end Paki Final
1:21:29
Speaker 7: from Washington perhaps be the left tackle and so on
1:21:32
Speaker 7: and so forth. So yeah, it's exciting. Joy didn't just
1:21:35
Speaker 7: get a bunch of randoms. They said we need this
1:21:37
Speaker 7: specific kind of guy, and they got a lot of them.
1:21:40
Speaker 3: Well, well, we're going to see how it plays out.
1:21:42
Speaker 3: Do you know, when what's the date they start springball.
1:21:45
Speaker 7: Oh, good question. Typically it's going to be in what
1:21:49
Speaker 7: mid to late February.
1:21:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they'll go till mid April ish.
1:21:56
Speaker 7: Typically they end around the end of March boa typically.
1:22:00
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well the.
1:22:02
Speaker 7: Finals are kind of second week of April until they
1:22:04
Speaker 7: kind of get out.
1:22:04
Speaker 8: Of the way of that.
1:22:06
Speaker 3: Okay, well, we'll be checking in Jerem. Thanks for your
1:22:09
Speaker 3: time today. Appreciate you.
1:22:11
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Shawn O'Connell Show.
1:22:55
Speaker 3: Welcome in Sean Mooney, color analyst on the Utah Basketball
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1:23:06
Speaker 3: Up next will be Oklahoma State this coming Saturday. You
1:23:10
Speaker 3: can hear it right here on your home of the
1:23:12
Speaker 3: Utes and watch it on ESPN two.
1:23:14
Speaker 2: Sean Moody, welcome. How are you?
1:23:16
Speaker 4: Shan o'conn eleven get How are you brother? How are
1:23:19
Speaker 4: you doing?
1:23:19
Speaker 2: I'm doing great and I'm excited to talk to you again.
1:23:22
Speaker 3: Last time we had a conversation, you know, we were
1:23:24
Speaker 3: able to talk about a hard fought battle for Utah
1:23:28
Speaker 3: against BYU, and this last time out it didn't go
1:23:32
Speaker 3: quite as smoothly on the road down at the Marriott
1:23:35
Speaker 3: Center seventy eight to ninety one the final here and
1:23:38
Speaker 3: of course AJ Debonsa has the game that Koog fans
1:23:41
Speaker 3: have been waiting for him to have forty three points,
1:23:44
Speaker 3: six rebounds, and what went wrong for Utah and this
1:23:47
Speaker 3: return trip down to BYU.
1:23:50
Speaker 4: S That's a good question. I mean, listen, like AJ
1:23:52
Speaker 4: is a cheat code, right? I think everyone kind of
1:23:55
Speaker 4: knows that now, I mean a couple of things. So obviously,
1:23:59
Speaker 4: they they scored in the paint I think it was
1:24:01
Speaker 4: forty eight to ri eighteen, and then they had nineteen
1:24:04
Speaker 4: second chance points. It was really weird because I think
1:24:06
Speaker 4: we had twenty one rebounds at halftime. Katie had five
1:24:10
Speaker 4: of those Kana Dawes, and that we didn't get many
1:24:13
Speaker 4: rebounds in the second half. Our ball security was great,
1:24:18
Speaker 4: and I think Kevin Young said this. I watched this presser, Sean,
1:24:20
Speaker 4: you probably saw it. He said that maybe the best
1:24:23
Speaker 4: they played offensively, Well, unfortunately that was against us.
1:24:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, they ended up a very efficient game for the Kougs.
1:24:32
Speaker 3: And to the point that you just made out rebounded
1:24:35
Speaker 3: Utah forty to twenty four and if your account is correct,
1:24:39
Speaker 3: twenty one in the first half, that means three rebounds
1:24:42
Speaker 3: in the second half. And you're just not gonna You're
1:24:45
Speaker 3: not going to live in the Big twelve with numbers
1:24:47
Speaker 3: like that.
1:24:48
Speaker 4: No, it's crazy, and it was kind of a weird game. Right.
1:24:51
Speaker 4: So back in my day, way back when kash Majeris
1:24:55
Speaker 4: would say the defensive field goal percentage is probably the
1:24:57
Speaker 4: most important statistic. There's some argument about that, but I
1:25:02
Speaker 4: think Chris Jensen mentioned this in our postgame interview, and
1:25:05
Speaker 4: then he mentioned in the press or afterward that he
1:25:08
Speaker 4: was a little disappointed with the team in terms of
1:25:10
Speaker 4: their grit and competing towards the end of that game,
1:25:14
Speaker 4: and you know, I get that, and I think defensively,
1:25:18
Speaker 4: you know what he's saying is you got to get
1:25:19
Speaker 4: down and you got a guard and stay in front
1:25:21
Speaker 4: of players. But I will say that some of what
1:25:23
Speaker 4: they did and this is very NBA like, and I
1:25:25
Speaker 4: think Kevin and I think Al's going to be better
1:25:28
Speaker 4: and better at this h They put in the pick
1:25:31
Speaker 4: and roll with Aj one of our guards, and our
1:25:34
Speaker 4: guards aren't. If you've noticed Sean, they're not the most
1:25:37
Speaker 4: thick guards. They're pretty skinny. Even with a lot of
1:25:42
Speaker 4: heart and a lot of competition, it's pretty hard to
1:25:44
Speaker 4: defend an. Aj Debansa or are someone that's coming downhill
1:25:48
Speaker 4: fast is strong like Rob Wright. I think Rob Wright
1:25:52
Speaker 4: is definitely there go AJ's special, he's generational and the
1:25:55
Speaker 4: B way fans should go to every game because he's special.
1:25:58
Speaker 4: To watch the Rob Right and my opinion is the
1:26:01
Speaker 4: key to that team and then they're both pretty strong
1:26:04
Speaker 4: and when they get going downhill, good things happen for them.
1:26:07
Speaker 3: I mean, I think to that point. I'm sure you
1:26:10
Speaker 3: watched Arizona BYU last night. It was Rob Right with
1:26:14
Speaker 3: that final possession that got blocked, and that's not an accident.
1:26:17
Speaker 4: I don't think no, I mean health helped Brandon Berry's man.
1:26:22
Speaker 4: So I mean that's a freshman. We know this, and
1:26:24
Speaker 4: we you and I both know that. I'm going to
1:26:26
Speaker 4: say this on your show. This is, by far, in
1:26:30
Speaker 4: my experience with watching college basketball, the best freshman class
1:26:34
Speaker 4: across the board here. And here's the funny thing. Like
1:26:36
Speaker 4: a lot of people like talk about international players, and
1:26:39
Speaker 4: I'm not saying we don't have some really good international players,
1:26:42
Speaker 4: but the American players in this class are superlative. I mean,
1:26:48
Speaker 4: if I'm an NBA team, I'm looking at my chops
1:26:51
Speaker 4: because there are some really good players coming out. I mean,
1:26:53
Speaker 4: you saw what Kingston Fleming did and the kid from Illinois.
1:26:57
Speaker 4: But to your point, Rob Right did what he as well,
1:27:00
Speaker 4: and kind of like Jade and Bradley got his hand
1:27:02
Speaker 4: on the ball and they just called that jump ball
1:27:04
Speaker 4: in the end out and you know, there are a
1:27:06
Speaker 4: couple of weird things at the end of that game.
1:27:08
Speaker 4: Arizone almost gave it away, But then how about Braden
1:27:10
Speaker 4: Barry's freshman coming down a blocking that shot.
1:27:12
Speaker 3: Impressive Back to the utes, we've had this kind of
1:27:17
Speaker 3: rotation of where you know, KD. Keanu Dawes will have
1:27:22
Speaker 3: a big game and then he'll go a little bit quiet.
1:27:25
Speaker 3: I think Terrence and Don McHenry have They've been pretty
1:27:28
Speaker 3: consistent at least with the scoring output. And the last
1:27:31
Speaker 3: time we talked, and probably the next time we talked,
1:27:34
Speaker 3: he will talk about the emergence of kind of a
1:27:37
Speaker 3: more reliable third option or a more consistent third option,
1:27:41
Speaker 3: And intuitively, I'm thinking, well, yeah, Keanu Dawes, he's shown
1:27:46
Speaker 3: us he's got the talent for it, he's got the
1:27:48
Speaker 3: acumen for it. I think that he's important on both
1:27:51
Speaker 3: ends of the floor, so maybe they don't want to
1:27:53
Speaker 3: put too many scoring responsibilities on him. But is he
1:27:57
Speaker 3: the most likely candidate to be that reliable third option?
1:28:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, Sean, he absolutely is. And when we talked, I
1:28:04
Speaker 4: probably didn't give Katie some credit. I think last time
1:28:06
Speaker 4: we spoke, he was probably thirteen point five points a
1:28:08
Speaker 4: game and almost you know, nine and a half rebounds
1:28:11
Speaker 4: a game or nine rebounds a game, and that may
1:28:13
Speaker 4: have dropped a little bit. And it is weird because
1:28:16
Speaker 4: he'll have games and I think Sean, honestly, I think
1:28:18
Speaker 4: it's because he's so nice, like the kid is just
1:28:22
Speaker 4: one of the nicest people you'll meet. He's quiet, he's reserved,
1:28:26
Speaker 4: and then coach Jensen has the entire season, to his credit,
1:28:30
Speaker 4: been asking him to shoot. Now, you know, he didn't
1:28:32
Speaker 4: shoot it well until he got the conference play and
1:28:35
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, he goes four for six
1:28:37
Speaker 4: against Texas Tech, and now you can see his confidence growing.
1:28:41
Speaker 4: His drive game is it's tough, that's not his natural attribute,
1:28:46
Speaker 4: but he needs to be aggressive for Sean because if
1:28:48
Speaker 4: he's not, we're not as good. I mean, he had
1:28:51
Speaker 4: twenty three and I think that was his career high
1:28:53
Speaker 4: against BUYU, and he's very efficient, but they kept him
1:28:57
Speaker 4: off the glass. That's one of his keys because he's
1:29:00
Speaker 4: a really good rebounder. But we definitely need him and
1:29:03
Speaker 4: he's got to continue to be our third best player,
1:29:06
Speaker 4: if not our best player at times.
1:29:09
Speaker 3: So up next is Oklahoma State home game, winnable game,
1:29:13
Speaker 3: trying to pile up some things in the Big twelve Conference,
1:29:16
Speaker 3: specifically for this Utah team who's only got the one
1:29:19
Speaker 3: conference win right now, what he expects against the Cowboys.
1:29:23
Speaker 4: So Oklahoma State's interesting. It's not unlike the storying college
1:29:27
Speaker 4: basketball Seawan, So they have thirteen new players. Steve Lutz
1:29:30
Speaker 4: is in his second year. He's got a name on
1:29:33
Speaker 4: this roster. They're probably a lot of Utah fans win
1:29:35
Speaker 4: the Parsifala. He played a Southern Utah. They've got two
1:29:38
Speaker 4: bigs and that's unusual. So they often go three out,
1:29:42
Speaker 4: two in, and they kind of run that because they're
1:29:44
Speaker 4: such a good defensive rebounding team. And then they got
1:29:47
Speaker 4: a big young freshman. But they've got one of the
1:29:49
Speaker 4: top scorers in the country, Anthony Roy. And not to
1:29:52
Speaker 4: disparage him, I've been watching them a lot. He can
1:29:55
Speaker 4: really score, but he's kind of one of those kids
1:29:58
Speaker 4: that if he's not getting his I don't think he
1:30:01
Speaker 4: plays as hard. Hopefully this is not food for five
1:30:03
Speaker 4: for them. I don't think it will be. But we've
1:30:06
Speaker 4: got a week off, man, and that is going to
1:30:08
Speaker 4: help Sean. Like nobody's business and we need it right.
1:30:11
Speaker 4: If we've if Coach Jensen feels like where we were
1:30:13
Speaker 4: at the end of that BA game is true, like
1:30:15
Speaker 4: if we did didn't compete like he wants us to.
1:30:18
Speaker 4: This is a week to get yourself right. It's really
1:30:21
Speaker 4: nice not to have twenty games, but right now. I
1:30:23
Speaker 4: think we're plus two on the line and it's gonna
1:30:27
Speaker 4: I think it can be a close game. But defensively,
1:30:29
Speaker 4: Oklahoma State hasn't been great in conference play and hopefully
1:30:33
Speaker 4: we can ride our ship. We need a sean, we
1:30:35
Speaker 4: need to win.
1:30:37
Speaker 3: Let's pack out the Huntsman Center. By the way, it's
1:30:39
Speaker 3: a four pm tip on Saturday. You don't have anything
1:30:43
Speaker 3: better to do at four pm on Saturday.
1:30:45
Speaker 2: If you're listening right now.
1:30:46
Speaker 4: All right, yeah, I'm hearing you, brother.
1:30:48
Speaker 2: I don't want it.
1:30:49
Speaker 3: I don't want people texted me at eight seven seven
1:30:52
Speaker 3: three zero seven.
1:30:53
Speaker 2: Hund oh, I got this.
1:30:55
Speaker 3: Your kids don't have any sports at four o'clock in
1:30:57
Speaker 3: the afternoon.
1:30:58
Speaker 4: All right, Gean's done, You're done with scheme.
1:31:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not date night with the wife yet. All right,
1:31:03
Speaker 3: So go ahead and pack out the Huntsman Center and
1:31:07
Speaker 3: get some atmosphere in there. Because we saw how well
1:31:10
Speaker 3: this team responded to it against BYU. We've seen in
1:31:13
Speaker 3: some of these home games when when it actually fills
1:31:15
Speaker 3: up and uh, I give me your sense of the
1:31:19
Speaker 3: level of frustration Alex Jensen's experiencing in his first season.
1:31:24
Speaker 2: Look, it's a natural thing. Coaches.
1:31:27
Speaker 3: Frustration and coaching are just hand in hand, and I
1:31:30
Speaker 3: think I think he handles it well and I love
1:31:33
Speaker 3: as his style communicating with us, with us in the
1:31:36
Speaker 3: media is continuing to be shaped and styled and things
1:31:39
Speaker 3: like I really enjoy his candor. But you know this
1:31:43
Speaker 3: is it's not the season a competitor like him wants
1:31:46
Speaker 3: to have in his first year at back in his
1:31:48
Speaker 3: alma mater.
1:31:49
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, First of all, I agree with the huntsmanth
1:31:52
Speaker 4: Center packing it out. So it's alumni day, so you're
1:31:54
Speaker 4: going to see some of your favorite former youths in
1:31:57
Speaker 4: the house. I want you to look for him. Fans
1:31:59
Speaker 4: come out, get his signature. They haven't had anyone asking
1:32:02
Speaker 4: for a signature for a long time. Say hi to him,
1:32:05
Speaker 4: take a picture. Mike Doliach and Drew Hansen. What our
1:32:09
Speaker 4: game with BYU? And you're right, man, I honestly, I
1:32:12
Speaker 4: think it's been frustrating for Chris Jensen on a lot
1:32:15
Speaker 4: of levels. So number one, he is a competitor. You know,
1:32:18
Speaker 4: at the beginning of the season, we were talking about
1:32:20
Speaker 4: how he's never lost in the Huntsman Center, and we
1:32:22
Speaker 4: knew that was going to change. That change, you know,
1:32:25
Speaker 4: his teammates were in attendance at that BA game, So
1:32:28
Speaker 4: I think that levels up a little bit, and he
1:32:31
Speaker 4: is I like his candor a lot, right, He's also
1:32:35
Speaker 4: shown he's kind of a scary interview at times for
1:32:37
Speaker 4: me after the game when when we've lost and we've
1:32:41
Speaker 4: lost a bunch, he's really nice to me. You don't
1:32:43
Speaker 4: get me wrong, But he is fiery and it's inside
1:32:46
Speaker 4: of him and he expects his team to compete at
1:32:49
Speaker 4: a high level and he will do everything he can
1:32:52
Speaker 4: to prepare the team. And you know this, Sean, Like
1:32:55
Speaker 4: we're talking about young adult brains that aren't fully developed.
1:33:00
Speaker 4: These athletes, and I'm not saying they're not capable, but
1:33:03
Speaker 4: you never know what's going on inside their heads or
1:33:06
Speaker 4: what's going on in their hearts, and there's just so
1:33:08
Speaker 4: much going on out and around them. It's hard. And
1:33:11
Speaker 4: coaching in colleges it's different. It's different than the NBA, right,
1:33:15
Speaker 4: Like you've got to kind of commit to the student athlete,
1:33:18
Speaker 4: or you've got to commit to what you're doing. It's
1:33:21
Speaker 4: not as transactional. So I think he's going to shape
1:33:24
Speaker 4: that and it will shape him as well, and we'll
1:33:27
Speaker 4: get better and better.
1:33:29
Speaker 3: So Oklahoma State on Saturday, Well, we probably won't talk
1:33:33
Speaker 3: before Arizona State next Wednesday.
1:33:36
Speaker 2: So what do you make of that matchup?
1:33:38
Speaker 4: I mean, again, this is one of those teams that
1:33:40
Speaker 4: we have a chance with. I think, you know, we're
1:33:43
Speaker 4: kind of neck and neck with Arizona State. Bob Hurley
1:33:47
Speaker 4: was obviously a great college coach. They have a guard
1:33:51
Speaker 4: who's about as good as any guard in the country,
1:33:53
Speaker 4: mill Otem. They're a very aggressive team. We've got to
1:33:57
Speaker 4: be prepared to back cut their defense, their pressure. We've
1:34:02
Speaker 4: struggled against Arizona State since I've been calling games the
1:34:05
Speaker 4: last three years. I'm knocking on wood right now that
1:34:08
Speaker 4: that does not happen in this game. But it's really
1:34:11
Speaker 4: nice to have a home stretch on. So we're our
1:34:14
Speaker 4: student athletes are sleeping in their beds, and we're basically
1:34:17
Speaker 4: going to be here for two weeks and then we
1:34:18
Speaker 4: go to Kansas on the weekend, and then we have
1:34:20
Speaker 4: another week here. I think it's obviously really important if
1:34:24
Speaker 4: we could string two together. Who knows, because everyone all
1:34:27
Speaker 4: of a sudden changes their attitude, changes, the coaches, the athletes,
1:34:31
Speaker 4: the fans. It would be exciting.
1:34:34
Speaker 3: Sean have a great call on Saturday. Thanks so much
1:34:37
Speaker 3: for joining us on the show today. I always appreciate you.
1:34:39
Speaker 4: Thanks, Seana Connell, have a good David Brother appreciates you
1:34:42
Speaker 4: as back.
1:34:42
Speaker 2: That's the walk.
1:34:43
Speaker 3: Shawn's Sean Mooney will be on the call alongside Bill
1:34:46
Speaker 3: Riley for Oklahoma State Utah versus the Cowboys at the
1:34:52
Speaker 3: Huntsman Center, And I was obviously joking about that, but
1:34:56
Speaker 3: I'm also being serious about it.
1:34:58
Speaker 2: Four pm.
1:35:00
Speaker 3: Don't have anything else going on that's going to interfere
1:35:03
Speaker 3: with your plans to take in a little college basketball.
1:35:06
Speaker 3: The games are relatively quick, two halves, get in, get out,
1:35:12
Speaker 3: you know, then take whoever comes with you to dinner.
1:35:15
Speaker 3: It's a perfect little outing, nice little Saturday planned.
1:35:18
Speaker 5: And on top of that, this is a winnable game
1:35:21
Speaker 5: for the running Uts. They're not just to be perfectly honest,
1:35:24
Speaker 5: there's not that many of those for this particular Utah
1:35:27
Speaker 5: basketball team in the Big twelve. What so a good
1:35:32
Speaker 5: chance that they come out with a win, especially being
1:35:34
Speaker 5: at home. So if that's what you will, they never
1:35:37
Speaker 5: win like well, they you could. You could see a
1:35:40
Speaker 5: Running Newts win here if you if you make the
1:35:42
Speaker 5: time for it on Saturday, Also, I just wanted to
1:35:44
Speaker 5: be clear.
1:35:44
Speaker 2: We don't.
1:35:45
Speaker 5: We don't care about your other Saturday plans anyway, just
1:35:48
Speaker 5: go to the game.
1:35:49
Speaker 2: No, we did.
1:35:50
Speaker 5: We Oh, Sean cares, we care a little bit. Sorry,
1:35:54
Speaker 5: my bad. I thought I would, we understand. I thought
1:35:56
Speaker 5: I would, you know, step out of my lane and
1:35:59
Speaker 5: give a official Sean O'Connell show position.
1:36:02
Speaker 2: It's not my place, that's James.
1:36:04
Speaker 3: You gotta wait an hour and twelve minutes before you're
1:36:09
Speaker 3: making I always forget that station level and show level decisions,
1:36:13
Speaker 3: all right.
1:36:13
Speaker 5: I always forget that. Thank you for the reminder.
1:36:15
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, though, uh, Oklahoma State winnable, Arizona State winnable. Hurley,
1:36:22
Speaker 3: by the way, is just he's channeling Mick Cronan when
1:36:27
Speaker 3: he sits down in front of microphones now and he's
1:36:30
Speaker 3: just saying whatever. He's just stream of consciousness, no filter,
1:36:34
Speaker 3: just like I'm a terrible coach. I'm bad, we stink,
1:36:38
Speaker 3: we don't play defense, We're awful. He's just These college
1:36:42
Speaker 3: basketball coaches, far more than college football coaches, are so
1:36:47
Speaker 3: unbelievably fed up with the way things Mick Cronan. The
1:36:52
Speaker 3: other night they won a game on the road, big game.
1:37:00
Speaker 3: The opponent's escaping me right now. It's like UCLA goes
1:37:03
Speaker 3: on the road and Big Ten play and beats I
1:37:05
Speaker 3: don't know, Michigan or something, and he sits down postgame
1:37:08
Speaker 3: and is mad as an alley cat. Well, yeah, I
1:37:12
Speaker 3: just really would like to thank the Big Ten for
1:37:14
Speaker 3: giving us this terrible road stretch where my kids are
1:37:17
Speaker 3: on the road for a week and a half.
1:37:19
Speaker 2: How are they supposed to do?
1:37:19
Speaker 3: It's just like, Mick, go talk to your school administrators.
1:37:24
Speaker 3: They're the morons who decided your southern California school needed
1:37:28
Speaker 3: to be playing at Rutgers. I actually think that was
1:37:30
Speaker 3: the game they need to be playing at Rutgers and
1:37:33
Speaker 3: then playing at Michigan and then playing at Ohio State
1:37:37
Speaker 3: and then playing at Penn State. That nobody did that
1:37:40
Speaker 3: to you except for UCLA. They're all just sick of it.
1:37:43
Speaker 3: College basketball coaches are just sick of their lives right now.
1:37:47
Speaker 2: And it's such a strange thing to see.
1:37:49
Speaker 5: And yeah, and speaking of Bobby Hurley, look up if
1:37:53
Speaker 5: you haven't already, If you haven't seen this already, look
1:37:55
Speaker 5: up the ESPN feature that they did on Hurley or
1:38:01
Speaker 5: on Sorry Danny Hurley. The Yukon coach, and there's a
1:38:05
Speaker 5: they have, you know, b roll of them coaching together
1:38:08
Speaker 5: at a smaller Northeast school before they both got Division
1:38:13
Speaker 5: one or high Major Division one jobs. They are both
1:38:18
Speaker 5: they're coaching, they're yelling at their players during a game,
1:38:21
Speaker 5: and they're both just beside themselves at the same time.
1:38:27
Speaker 5: It's an incredible scene and it's just like like no
1:38:30
Speaker 5: other Like coaches are maniacal, the Hurley brothers are. We
1:38:35
Speaker 5: got to come up with another word for it. They
1:38:36
Speaker 5: are insanely. They're insane with their emotions. I guess that's
1:38:40
Speaker 5: what I would put it. And it's hilarious to watch that.
1:38:44
Speaker 5: That ESPN feature they did on Danny Hurley encapsulates it perfectly.
1:38:50
Speaker 3: All Right, So just let me make this final point
1:38:53
Speaker 3: in a case why you should go to the Oklahoma
1:38:56
Speaker 3: State game on Saturday, or maybe the Arizona State game
1:39:00
Speaker 3: on Wednesday and or I'm not gonna doom and gloom
1:39:05
Speaker 3: you here, but I'm just gonna tell you what's remaining
1:39:08
Speaker 3: on the slate for Utah basketball's home games the rest
1:39:12
Speaker 3: of the way. All right, after Arizona State, you're on
1:39:16
Speaker 3: the road at Allen Field House in Kansas. You come
1:39:20
Speaker 3: back home against Houston on February tenth. That's a really
1:39:26
Speaker 3: good Houston team. Then you go to Cincinnati, Ohio on
1:39:30
Speaker 3: the fifteenth. Then you're in Morgantown, West Virginia, back at
1:39:35
Speaker 3: home against UCF. Okay, all right, okay, that's another one.
1:39:39
Speaker 2: You could get.
1:39:41
Speaker 3: The next home game is Iowa State February twenty fourth.
1:39:46
Speaker 3: That's a top ten team in the country right now.
1:39:49
Speaker 3: Colorado March third, and then you finish your regular season
1:39:55
Speaker 3: on the road against Baylor. So you only have five
1:39:59
Speaker 3: home games left and your prognosis, your outlook on those,
1:40:06
Speaker 3: we'll just take it from the Vegas perspective, is not
1:40:08
Speaker 3: going to be heavily favored. Utes, get out there, support
1:40:14
Speaker 3: this team. The momentum is moving in the correct direction,
1:40:18
Speaker 3: but it doesn't happen by itself.
1:40:20
Speaker 2: You gotta keep this thing pushing. We'll see up there
1:40:23
Speaker 2: on Saturday.
1:40:26
Speaker 3: Is college football gonna change its targeting rule? We'll discuss
1:40:30
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Speaker 2: Allright, We're gonna do a little carry over.
1:41:01
Speaker 3: In Daily Dump today because there's a lot.
1:41:04
Speaker 4: To get to.
1:41:04
Speaker 3: Jeff Schwartz had to. We had to kick the can
1:41:08
Speaker 3: down the road. He's not gonna be able to join
1:41:09
Speaker 3: us at one o'clock, No problem. He gives us his
1:41:12
Speaker 3: time every single week. We'll forgive him for this one.
1:41:16
Speaker 3: But college football taking a look at their targeting rules,
1:41:25
Speaker 3: Steve Shawn, National Coordinator of Officials and the NCAA's secretary
1:41:30
Speaker 3: Rules Editor, told Yahoo Sports that targeting is going to
1:41:35
Speaker 3: be an annual discussion, but this year will be a
1:41:37
Speaker 3: focused discussion as well, and the most likely outcome here
1:41:41
Speaker 3: appears to be a tiered system for targeting like flagrant
1:41:46
Speaker 3: fowls like yellow cards, red cards, and soccer like hockey penalties,
1:41:51
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera, where the carryover suspension especially has
1:41:56
Speaker 3: been a topic of discussion in college football. Now now
1:42:01
Speaker 3: we've watched the targeting rule be adjudicated in inconsistent ways, arbitrarily,
1:42:08
Speaker 3: seen guys get ejected for things that they probably don't
1:42:11
Speaker 3: need to be ejected for, seen guys stay in games
1:42:14
Speaker 3: when it's clear that they should have been ejected. In
1:42:18
Speaker 3: the college football playoffs this year, you had an ejection
1:42:22
Speaker 3: I think it was Old Miss had a player ejected.
1:42:24
Speaker 3: Ultimately didn't end up mattering because they lost the game.
1:42:26
Speaker 3: But the Miami wide receiver catches the ball and is
1:42:33
Speaker 3: dropping to the ground, his own body carrying him down,
1:42:38
Speaker 3: his own momentum carrying him down, and the player from
1:42:41
Speaker 3: Old Miss is launching himself into what should have been
1:42:45
Speaker 3: the level of the guy's waistband, mid section whatever to
1:42:49
Speaker 3: try and make the tackle. And then suddenly the helmet
1:42:51
Speaker 3: appears there because of the motions of another human, And
1:42:55
Speaker 3: now you're penalized because your head cracked their head when
1:43:01
Speaker 3: you didn't do anything on purpose to make that happen.
1:43:06
Speaker 3: So the disqualification thing, you're not going to see a
1:43:11
Speaker 3: lot of changes from the way that officials actually.
1:43:17
Speaker 2: Measure this thing.
1:43:19
Speaker 3: Right, They're still going to go do the replay, They're
1:43:21
Speaker 3: going to confirm whether it was it targeting or not.
1:43:23
Speaker 3: But there will be new language, potentially as soon as
1:43:27
Speaker 3: next season about what constitutes an ejection, what constitutes just
1:43:33
Speaker 3: a singular penalty, what constitutes a carryover ejection, et cetera.
1:43:37
Speaker 2: I think this is the right thing to do with targeting.
1:43:41
Speaker 3: I think it'd be better for college football if, yeah,
1:43:44
Speaker 3: it stinks when you know you got a guy who
1:43:47
Speaker 3: throws an illegal hit and it's all about player safety,
1:43:50
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera.
1:43:52
Speaker 2: If you have.
1:43:54
Speaker 3: A blatant, flagrant targeting penalty, do your thing ejected the
1:43:58
Speaker 3: whole game, ejective if it's in the second half, for
1:44:01
Speaker 3: the first half of the next game.
1:44:02
Speaker 2: Two.
1:44:03
Speaker 3: But we have seen too many times where it's a
1:44:05
Speaker 3: relatively uncontrollable letter of the law type in fraction that
1:44:10
Speaker 3: takes guys out of three quarters plus of football.
1:44:13
Speaker 2: That's silly.
1:44:16
Speaker 3: And by the way, the player safety argument that everyone
1:44:19
Speaker 3: got really obsessed with, I think the pendulum is swinging
1:44:23
Speaker 3: back just a little bit to where we are reminded
1:44:26
Speaker 3: constantly that player safety, while important, player safety is not realistic.
1:44:33
Speaker 3: This is a violent game. Adjudicating bad intent out of
1:44:38
Speaker 3: the game is a good thing. Adjudicating incidental contact head
1:44:44
Speaker 3: to head incidental contact out of the game.
1:44:47
Speaker 2: Because of the letter of the law. Situation that doesn't
1:44:50
Speaker 2: make sense to me.
1:44:50
Speaker 3: And by the way, I'm including in this conversation, at
1:44:54
Speaker 3: least in my own mind, the targeting ejection for Lander
1:44:57
Speaker 3: Barton from the BYU game, like he was coming in hot.
1:45:04
Speaker 3: The helmets clacked together, but it wasn't leading with the
1:45:08
Speaker 3: helmet type of a situation. That's not a suspension worthy hit.
1:45:12
Speaker 3: I will die on that hill.
1:45:15
Speaker 2: This would be.
1:45:17
Speaker 5: Ejections are not necessarily going to happen with every targeting too,
1:45:21
Speaker 5: Is that what you're saying to So the suspension will
1:45:26
Speaker 5: be reserved for the most malicious and ejection will be
1:45:30
Speaker 5: the next most and then it'd be a fifteen yard penalty.
1:45:33
Speaker 3: Otherwise it's already if you do a two tiered system,
1:45:35
Speaker 3: it's already a fifteen yard penalty.
1:45:37
Speaker 5: Right.
1:45:39
Speaker 3: If you do a fifteen yard penalty with an ejection
1:45:41
Speaker 3: for the blatant and the flagrant and the intentional targeting calls,
1:45:46
Speaker 3: now we're talking about a real penalty that actually makes sense.
1:45:50
Speaker 2: If you're talking about ejecting.
1:45:53
Speaker 3: A guy because his momentum and another player's momentum happened
1:45:56
Speaker 3: to put their helmets together on a collision course. It
1:45:59
Speaker 3: doesn't serve either party. Yeah, well, fifteen yards is a
1:46:04
Speaker 3: big penalty. It's a huge penalty on its own. Like yeah,
1:46:11
Speaker 3: Like I think of a few years ago AFC Championship
1:46:16
Speaker 3: game Bengals, when the when the Bengals lost to the Chiefs.
1:46:22
Speaker 3: A year after they they upset the Chiefs and lost
1:46:24
Speaker 3: the Rams in the Super Bowl. So Bengals are back
1:46:27
Speaker 3: in there.
1:46:28
Speaker 5: It's they have their defense has to have one stop
1:46:31
Speaker 5: and they and they go back to the Super Bowl.
1:46:33
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes scrambles and he.
1:46:36
Speaker 5: Has maybe half a half a step out of bounds,
1:46:39
Speaker 5: and the big, big, three hundred pound lineman can't stop
1:46:43
Speaker 5: his momentum and runs into him after he's been out
1:46:47
Speaker 5: of bounds, and that ends up setting up in setting
1:46:49
Speaker 5: them up in field goal range.
1:46:50
Speaker 2: They they go to the Super Bowl, win the Super Bowl?
1:46:52
Speaker 5: Right that can you imagine if that kind of incidental
1:46:59
Speaker 5: crap I couldn't slow myself down because I'm a giant.
1:47:02
Speaker 5: Kind of play also came with an ejection.
1:47:05
Speaker 2: It's like it's.
1:47:06
Speaker 5: Already it's already an automatic first down. They hit a
1:47:10
Speaker 5: unnecessary hit out of bounds. Oh yeah, and now you're ejected.
1:47:14
Speaker 5: That's what we're talking about with these targeting things. Some
1:47:16
Speaker 5: of these targeting like the lander Barton is a good
1:47:19
Speaker 5: example to bring up his helmet hit bear Bachmeyer's chin strap,
1:47:25
Speaker 5: which by the letter of the law and the rules
1:47:28
Speaker 5: analysts on the on TV do a good job of
1:47:32
Speaker 5: explaining sc this is why they're considering targeting because by
1:47:35
Speaker 5: the letter of the law, it's helmet, the helmet right
1:47:38
Speaker 5: or contact to the head or neck area there. But
1:47:41
Speaker 5: it's like, but he but that's not the that's not
1:47:45
Speaker 5: the targeting that we're trying to that we instituted for
1:47:48
Speaker 5: player safety. That's just he accidentally hit his chin strap.
1:47:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. I do believe.
1:47:54
Speaker 3: And this is something that the the subtleties and the
1:47:58
Speaker 3: nuance of rule enforcement is something that is just lost
1:48:02
Speaker 3: in society in general. But the letter of the law
1:48:06
Speaker 3: and the spirit of the law should be the same,
1:48:08
Speaker 3: but very often are two different things. And player safety
1:48:13
Speaker 3: is the spirit of the targeting law. The letter like
1:48:16
Speaker 3: if that is a if that's a hit that could
1:48:19
Speaker 3: potentially hurt or can cuss bear Bachmeyer, then by all means,
1:48:26
Speaker 3: let's have this be a thing. If you heard plastic
1:48:30
Speaker 3: on plastic and that means it's automatically targeting.
1:48:33
Speaker 2: That's letter of the law, not spirit of the law.
1:48:36
Speaker 3: That's oh well, no, it didn't really, And I'm talking
1:48:39
Speaker 3: about even big time collisions when just common sense shows
1:48:43
Speaker 3: you that, like, well, when he left his feet or
1:48:48
Speaker 3: when he started that irreversible momentum of driving forward to
1:48:52
Speaker 3: make a tackle, this guy's head was at shoulder level
1:48:57
Speaker 3: or above, and then he decided or his you know,
1:49:00
Speaker 3: he tripped or whatever, and so his level came down.
1:49:04
Speaker 2: That's what caused the helmet to helmet that.
1:49:08
Speaker 3: Referees are not always the smartest people in the world,
1:49:11
Speaker 3: but they're intelligent enough in that case to just be like, well,
1:49:16
Speaker 3: that guy launched and did the thing we're not supposed
1:49:19
Speaker 3: to do. This guy didn't. They you really can figure
1:49:23
Speaker 3: it out. And if you don't want to, by the way,
1:49:24
Speaker 3: if you don't want to do it yourself, plug it
1:49:27
Speaker 3: into AI and make the computer do it so you
1:49:29
Speaker 3: can blame it on the damn computer.
1:49:30
Speaker 2: I don't care Ashtag analytics. No, it's.
1:49:35
Speaker 5: This is what I was getting at two a few
1:49:38
Speaker 5: weeks ago, when I was saying, we have we lost
1:49:41
Speaker 5: the plot in that we have to get everything precisely correct.
1:49:47
Speaker 5: I think that's where we've gotten with officiating and everything,
1:49:50
Speaker 5: and I think it's gotten way. I think we've gotten
1:49:52
Speaker 5: way too far afield with it. I'm nostalgic for the days.
1:49:57
Speaker 5: Yes they were miscalls, but I'm nostalgic for the days
1:50:00
Speaker 5: where refs made judgment calls right and they didn't just
1:50:04
Speaker 5: they didn't just go well, I the words say this,
1:50:08
Speaker 5: and I'm beholden to what the words say, like, no,
1:50:10
Speaker 5: you have a brain, you are a functional human being.
1:50:14
Speaker 5: If you don't think that that is the kind of
1:50:18
Speaker 5: hit that should constitute targeting, even if technically their helmets
1:50:23
Speaker 5: hit at some point, you should be able to say,
1:50:26
Speaker 5: you know what, that's not targeting. I also believe, and
1:50:29
Speaker 5: I know people have called for this, especially if you're
1:50:32
Speaker 5: going to give that kind of responsibility. And we're only
1:50:34
Speaker 5: talking about targeting here, but it can go everywhere else.
1:50:36
Speaker 5: Like if you want accountability and you want referees to
1:50:39
Speaker 5: be better, the crew chief should be available to the
1:50:44
Speaker 5: media for ten minutes after every game, Yes, just a
1:50:47
Speaker 5: short scrum situation or eight or go to the.
1:50:51
Speaker 3: Podium, tell us what you saw in this replay, tell
1:50:53
Speaker 3: us why this flag was thrown, tell us why this
1:50:55
Speaker 3: flag wasn't thrown, and let that person verbalize, and yeah,
1:50:59
Speaker 3: you'll get the referee equivalent of coach speak whatever. But
1:51:03
Speaker 3: let that person verbalize what was seen or what was
1:51:06
Speaker 3: not seen, and why the call was made or was
1:51:08
Speaker 3: not made. And then they can be graded based on that,
1:51:11
Speaker 3: and they can be assigned to important games or not
1:51:13
Speaker 3: based on that. And now now you have a better
1:51:16
Speaker 3: situation with optimal refereeing. All right, we got to take
1:51:20
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Speaker 3: Exciting news for a Utah and I was not familiar
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Speaker 2: Rel Harwood.
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Speaker 3: Has qualified for the Olympics in slop style skiing. So
1:52:31
Speaker 3: Utah local named Rel Harwood young lady, will be participating
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Speaker 3: in the Milan Cortino Olympics in slopestyle skiing, which, James,
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Speaker 3: I know this is a big thing for you. I
1:52:42
Speaker 3: know you're a big fan of slopestyle skiing.
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Speaker 5: You like the that's gonna be my I think that's
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Speaker 5: I definitely am qualified to be the Winter Olympics expert
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Speaker 5: on slopestyle skiing.
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Speaker 3: Yes, she is a three time X Games medallist, two
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Speaker 3: time World Cup podium she's been She started skiing when
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Speaker 3: she was three years old. That's amazing. This is okay,
1:53:08
Speaker 3: this is absolutely incredible. From from the USA Ski and
1:53:12
Speaker 3: Snowboarding website. Okay, she's a Park City native, went to
1:53:15
Speaker 3: the University of Utah.
1:53:17
Speaker 2: So you Rel Harwood.
1:53:19
Speaker 3: Three time X Games medals, two time World Cup podium
1:53:23
Speaker 3: standard started skiing when she was three when her parents
1:53:26
Speaker 3: dropped her off at ski school to enjoy their day
1:53:28
Speaker 3: on the slopes. That's in your tm USA bio. A
1:53:34
Speaker 3: shot across the bout mom and dad. She didn't like
1:53:38
Speaker 3: skiing very much growing up.
1:53:41
Speaker 5: Maybe because she was left all by herself she was three.
1:53:47
Speaker 3: We gotta we're gonna get hey, Rel. If you're listening,
1:53:49
Speaker 3: we gotta get Rell on. She sounds like a very
1:53:51
Speaker 3: interesting person. We absolutely do.
1:53:54
Speaker 5: I'll see if I maybe we can go through the
1:53:56
Speaker 5: University of Utah the ski communications folks.
1:54:00
Speaker 3: This is an incredible personal bio. When she's not skiing,
1:54:03
Speaker 3: Rell loves to thrift, particularly jewelry. She likes cooking, making
1:54:07
Speaker 3: up her own recipes, and reading murder mysteries. She has
1:54:10
Speaker 3: a very fluffy cat named Hazard. Hazard's a great name.
1:54:15
Speaker 3: It's a great name for a cat because they are
1:54:18
Speaker 3: kind of a hazard.
1:54:21
Speaker 2: So Park City.
1:54:22
Speaker 5: Native, can we get Can we get bios like that
1:54:25
Speaker 5: for NFL and NBA players?
1:54:27
Speaker 2: I would love it.
1:54:28
Speaker 5: Lowry Markanen has a very has a very skinny cat
1:54:34
Speaker 5: named named Slim Jim.
1:54:37
Speaker 2: You know what we should do, James.
1:54:38
Speaker 3: Every time we're we're talking about or two, especially a
1:54:43
Speaker 3: professional athlete, we need to predict what kind of pet
1:54:46
Speaker 3: they have, Yeah, and it and one of the cat
1:54:51
Speaker 3: exotic animal.
1:54:52
Speaker 5: One of the options also needs to be no pet,
1:54:54
Speaker 5: not a pet guy, not a pet and a pet
1:54:56
Speaker 5: girl obviously.
1:54:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Lowry marketing is probably the I bet their
1:55:03
Speaker 3: family has like a tiny dog, tiny dog guy. I
1:55:06
Speaker 3: think he's a tiny dog guy or maybe someone in
1:55:09
Speaker 3: his family for first tiny dog, So that's what they
1:55:12
Speaker 3: have it. Yeah, I'm gonna, Okay, next game, I'm at assuming,
1:55:17
Speaker 3: assuming he plays, I'm gonna I'm gonna ask him that.
1:55:20
Speaker 2: In the locker room.
1:55:21
Speaker 5: Hey, we were predicting what kind of pet you have
1:55:24
Speaker 5: on the show. Don't tell us. We think tiny dog
1:55:28
Speaker 5: go maybe a Corelian bear dog. You're not a dog
1:55:32
Speaker 5: guy like I am. Yeah, I don't know. I don't
1:55:34
Speaker 5: know a lot of the breeds. You'll have to educate
1:55:36
Speaker 5: me on that one.
1:55:37
Speaker 3: They're like they look like a kind of like a
1:55:39
Speaker 3: malamut or a husky black and white. What's the name again,
1:55:42
Speaker 3: Coarelian with a K K A R E L I
1:55:45
Speaker 3: A N. The finish breed. So maybe he's got one
1:55:48
Speaker 3: of those. They use them for bear hunting, all right.
1:55:51
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe Lowry's tied to the heritage of his. Uh,
1:55:56
Speaker 3: I just looked it up. Yeah, they're they're like smaller
1:55:59
Speaker 3: hust Ski kind of looking thing. The in Finland they
1:56:02
Speaker 3: mostly have spits type dogs is what it's called, like huskies,
1:56:06
Speaker 3: right because obvious for obvious reasons. When old climate it's
1:56:10
Speaker 3: cold and dark half the year, you gotta have some
1:56:13
Speaker 3: thick fur.
1:56:14
Speaker 2: So maybe he's got one of.
1:56:15
Speaker 5: Those, all right, And any Kellian bear dog that's a
1:56:18
Speaker 5: great name. By the way, bear dog better than bear cat,
1:56:23
Speaker 5: which is not either bears nor cats. It is wild
1:56:28
Speaker 5: though if you look up bear cat, yeah, like I
1:56:31
Speaker 5: did a few weeks ago for the first time, or
1:56:33
Speaker 5: a couple months ago for the first time, when we
1:56:35
Speaker 5: were talking about we were talking about bin tarrongs bin tarrongs,
1:56:38
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, I see why they call him bear cats.
1:56:40
Speaker 2: They have like a bear face but like a cat body, but.
1:56:43
Speaker 3: Then they have a prehensile tail and they smell like
1:56:46
Speaker 3: buttered popcorn.
1:56:48
Speaker 2: I did not know that.
1:56:49
Speaker 3: You didn't know that the musk of the musk of
1:56:52
Speaker 3: a of a bear cat, of a bin tarrong smells
1:56:55
Speaker 3: like buttered popcorn.
1:56:56
Speaker 2: How can you? How can that be?
1:56:58
Speaker 5: Let's just let's stir up a little big twelve rivalry
1:57:01
Speaker 5: thing here? How can that be intimidating? Cincinnati? Yeah, you
1:57:04
Speaker 5: smell like buttered popcorn.
1:57:07
Speaker 2: You know we're gonna.
1:57:08
Speaker 3: I want to do it you, Carash. I want to
1:57:10
Speaker 3: put you in a bowl. I want to throw some
1:57:13
Speaker 3: m and ms in there, maybe some Reese's pieces, and
1:57:17
Speaker 3: have a salty sweet snack that's as scary as you are.
1:57:20
Speaker 3: Cincinnati COEs up to a movie dumb anyway, Cinnati just
1:57:26
Speaker 3: circle it all the way back. Congrats to another Utah
1:57:28
Speaker 3: olympian who has qualified for Olympic slope style skiing.
1:57:32
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's what we were talking about.
1:57:33
Speaker 3: One of those events that we will try to get
1:57:35
Speaker 3: real Harwood on on air, either during her previous two
1:57:39
Speaker 3: or maybe after the Olympics, which she wins a gold medal,
1:57:41
Speaker 3: very certainly because Park City needs to bring one home.
1:57:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
1:57:46
Speaker 3: We got to start a signing out our Olympic uh experts.
1:57:50
Speaker 5: Bob's led, Gordy's gonna. Gordy's gonna claim a sport. He
1:57:53
Speaker 5: was very good on fencing, yes, two summers ago.
1:57:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, maybe slopestyle skiing can be your thing, James, Yeah,
1:58:00
Speaker 3: slopestyle skiing.
1:58:01
Speaker 5: I'm I'm really into slopestyle skiing. I like the slopes
1:58:04
Speaker 5: and the styles and the skiing.
1:58:07
Speaker 3: Let's get back to the daily dump here the I
1:58:10
Speaker 3: promised everyone Garrett bowls sound. First of all, I love
1:58:13
Speaker 3: anytime we get to talk to Garrettoles or hear from
1:58:16
Speaker 3: Garrett Poles, because he's got that Andrea the Giant voice,
1:58:19
Speaker 3: and he looks kind of like Andrea the Giant. There's
1:58:21
Speaker 3: just a whole Andrea the Giant vibe coming from Garrett Poles.
1:58:23
Speaker 3: Because he's obviously an enormous human being.
1:58:26
Speaker 5: Did you hear did you hear his last You heard
1:58:28
Speaker 5: his last interview with Spence? Check its number of weeks ago.
1:58:31
Speaker 5: He the other cool, the other fun part about him,
1:58:34
Speaker 5: at least with Spence. See, he just calls him. Check
1:58:37
Speaker 5: its listen here, check its I like that, Well yeah,
1:58:43
Speaker 5: check it's this.
1:58:44
Speaker 3: He's a he's a Walter Payton Man of the Year.
1:58:47
Speaker 2: He's part of that Broncos leadership council.
1:58:49
Speaker 4: He is.
1:58:51
Speaker 2: Someone tweeted about this the other day.
1:58:52
Speaker 3: He's one of the great turnaround stories in the NFL.
1:58:55
Speaker 3: There were time there was a time early in his
1:58:57
Speaker 3: career when people had said, oh, this guy's a bust
1:58:59
Speaker 3: and the bron Broncos continued to trust his development, and
1:59:02
Speaker 3: he obviously took a lot of personal accountability and stopped
1:59:05
Speaker 3: being such a penalty machine. And now he's an all
1:59:08
Speaker 3: pro level player for the Broncos and a guy who
1:59:11
Speaker 3: maybe someday if he continues his career there and they
1:59:15
Speaker 3: can achieve what it looks like they're on the precipice
1:59:19
Speaker 3: of starting to achieve, like he might be a Ring
1:59:20
Speaker 3: of Honor type guys someday. But you know, he talked
1:59:24
Speaker 3: about the emotion and the difficulty of getting oh so
1:59:28
Speaker 3: close in that AFC Championship game and not getting all
1:59:31
Speaker 3: the way through.
1:59:32
Speaker 8: I'm pretty angry and frustrated. There's a lot of there's
1:59:36
Speaker 8: a lot of tears that I came down my face yesterday.
1:59:40
Speaker 8: I've been here for a long time and to get
1:59:42
Speaker 8: that close hurt really bad. But at the same time,
1:59:47
Speaker 8: I know exactly where this team is going. I know
1:59:50
Speaker 8: the future that we have, I know the players that
1:59:52
Speaker 8: we have in this building. We have phenomena owners that
1:59:55
Speaker 8: I'm so grateful that they're part of us. They chose
1:59:57
Speaker 8: the Denver Broncos to buy and to provide. We were
2:00:00
Speaker 8: building an unbelievable for training facility right over right on
2:00:03
Speaker 8: the other side of these on this building, which is
2:00:06
Speaker 8: amazing to even train and get more stuff in there
2:00:08
Speaker 8: to make us better. People want to come to Denver.
2:00:10
Speaker 8: I mean, I'll be shocked to see how many free
2:00:13
Speaker 8: agencies want to come here. We got a young team,
2:00:15
Speaker 8: we got a quarterback, We got the best old line football.
2:00:18
Speaker 8: I don't care what anyone says we do. That's just reality.
2:00:20
Speaker 8: Numbers don't lie, Stats don't lie. You guys can look
2:00:23
Speaker 8: that up. That's just reality. When you have a dominant
2:00:25
Speaker 8: O line and a dominant defensive line, people want to
2:00:28
Speaker 8: come here. When you got a phenomenal quarterback and bow
2:00:30
Speaker 8: people don't give him the credit what he had. The
2:00:32
Speaker 8: season that he had was phenomenal. I mean, second quarterback
2:00:36
Speaker 8: in NFL history to take our team to the AFC
2:00:38
Speaker 8: Championship game. We had two quarterbacks, you know, in that
2:00:41
Speaker 8: same draft class that did That just speaks volumes of
2:00:43
Speaker 8: what that draft class did. We have one of those quarterbacks.
2:00:47
Speaker 8: We have a great running back room, we got great receivers. Obviously,
2:00:49
Speaker 8: we need some key players to come in and do
2:00:52
Speaker 8: what they need to do by you know, getting points
2:00:54
Speaker 8: on the scoreboard. We had a phenomenal defense. We have
2:00:57
Speaker 8: everything we need, We just need a couple more playmakers
2:00:59
Speaker 8: and Sky's limit for this team.
2:01:04
Speaker 3: Always good to hear from Garrett Bowles. He is bullish
2:01:07
Speaker 3: on the future of the Denver Broncos, and he doesn't
2:01:12
Speaker 3: intend it this way. But when you're talking about how
2:01:16
Speaker 3: your team needs more playmakers, not an inaccurate assessment, but
2:01:20
Speaker 3: it is one of those things where it immediately sends
2:01:22
Speaker 3: you to the stats, like, all right, well, who are
2:01:24
Speaker 3: their playmakers? He's right, I mean, his assessment of what
2:01:28
Speaker 3: they've got, I think is absolutely correct. Bo Nicks is
2:01:34
Speaker 3: the right guy moving forward in my opinion. The offensive
2:01:39
Speaker 3: line with him as sort of the anchor of that
2:01:42
Speaker 3: thing right now, really really incredible.
2:01:45
Speaker 2: The defense.
2:01:46
Speaker 3: We talked about the sack totals that Denver put up
2:01:48
Speaker 3: this season, but.
2:01:52
Speaker 2: JK.
2:01:52
Speaker 3: Dobbins seven hundred and seventy two yards rushing is your
2:01:55
Speaker 3: leading rusher. He's averages five yards of carry, which is great.
2:01:58
Speaker 3: You need to lean more on him. You need to
2:02:00
Speaker 3: give RJ. Harvey Moore carries. Do you need to make
2:02:03
Speaker 3: bo Nicks run less or more? They got to figure
2:02:06
Speaker 3: that out. Courtland Sutton had a thousand yard season but
2:02:10
Speaker 3: could you tell me off hand who the second, third
2:02:13
Speaker 3: and fourth leading receivers are, the second, third and fourth
2:02:16
Speaker 3: leading options are in the passing game for the Denver Broncos.
2:02:20
Speaker 2: I would guess Mims is.
2:02:21
Speaker 5: One of those, but I don't know Mims had He's
2:02:25
Speaker 5: number seven, no, number seven, number six on the list. Okay, yeah,
2:02:31
Speaker 5: Cortland Sutton one thousand yards right, one hundred and twenty
2:02:34
Speaker 5: four targets, seventy four receptions, one thousand seventeen yards and
2:02:38
Speaker 5: seven touchdowns. Troy Franklin seven hundred and nine yards. Evan Ingram,
2:02:44
Speaker 5: their tight end had fifty catches but only four hundred
2:02:48
Speaker 5: and sixty one yards in one touchdown there, So yeah,
2:02:53
Speaker 5: you do.
2:02:53
Speaker 3: Little Jordan Humphrey, where you at. Dog with a name
2:02:57
Speaker 3: like Lil Jordan, you gotta be flashier.
2:03:01
Speaker 5: It's like I told you off air, I'm watching the wire. Finally,
2:03:06
Speaker 5: it's like little man. Yeah, Little Jordan Humphrey. By the way,
2:03:10
Speaker 5: he was injured, so I shouldn't call him out. He
2:03:12
Speaker 5: only played in seven games this year.
2:03:13
Speaker 3: But the claim that people want to be in Denver
2:03:19
Speaker 3: is one thing that we will find out when free
2:03:23
Speaker 3: agency ramps up and hits full bore and look, they're
2:03:29
Speaker 3: gonna draft hopefully, Well, if you're a Broncos fan, but
2:03:34
Speaker 3: you're not going to be able to the place that
2:03:37
Speaker 3: that roster is at right now, You're gonna have a
2:03:40
Speaker 3: hard time getting over the hump getting from AFC Championship
2:03:44
Speaker 3: appearance to Super Bowl appearance. Just with draft picks. You
2:03:48
Speaker 3: probably do need to bring in a veteran wide receiver,
2:03:52
Speaker 3: maybe dare I say, a more formidable tight end something
2:03:57
Speaker 3: like that, and free agency has been the most successful
2:04:02
Speaker 3: way for teams to do that as of late. Trades
2:04:04
Speaker 3: up have obviously helped out Seattle immensely and that's who
2:04:07
Speaker 3: made it through in the NFC to the Super Bowl.
2:04:10
Speaker 2: So, uh, Denver.
2:04:13
Speaker 3: Again, we started the show talking about this, the gap
2:04:16
Speaker 3: between almost there and there is a lot bigger than
2:04:20
Speaker 3: we ever give it credit for.
2:04:22
Speaker 2: And Denver was, oh so close.
2:04:25
Speaker 5: You gotta you gotta also realize having and I know
2:04:29
Speaker 5: you do, but it's easy to forget because Bonx didn't play.
2:04:35
Speaker 5: Just how much of an impact just him being healthy.
2:04:39
Speaker 5: That's a free agent acquisition in and of itself, especially
2:04:42
Speaker 5: if they get back to the AFC Championship game and
2:04:44
Speaker 5: he plays in the game next year, So that something
2:04:47
Speaker 5: to consider there is like they they would have been
2:04:50
Speaker 5: even in that snowy weather, They would have been better
2:04:52
Speaker 5: offensively with Bo Nicks there than Jared Stidham.
2:04:56
Speaker 3: But that's on you, Sean Payton for having him send
2:04:59
Speaker 3: to the ball for the goal. Yeah, it actually wasn't
2:05:02
Speaker 3: on that. It was it was the play play for right.
2:05:04
Speaker 5: Well, the other thing, I mean, Caleb Blomo in the
2:05:10
Speaker 5: on the practice squad, Hey, maybe you need a better
2:05:13
Speaker 5: tight end. Not he he was activated in the divisional round.
2:05:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the very first time in his career he
2:05:21
Speaker 3: was activated to the to the roster. Get him some opportunity,
2:05:25
Speaker 3: Like are they going to get down in the red
2:05:27
Speaker 3: zone and throw a jump ball to Caleb Loaner, who
2:05:30
Speaker 3: the only catches he has or touchdown catches That would
2:05:33
Speaker 3: have been so sweet and cool.
2:05:34
Speaker 5: Obviously he's gonna be a long term project, so that's
2:05:37
Speaker 5: tongue in cheek. But you know, hopefully he gets to
2:05:41
Speaker 5: a point where he can see some field action that
2:05:43
Speaker 5: could help their tight end or you know what, you
2:05:46
Speaker 5: like the utes so much, you like utes tight end
2:05:48
Speaker 5: so much down, why don't you why don't you take
2:05:51
Speaker 5: a later round flyer on Dallon Bentley.
2:05:53
Speaker 3: I think Dallan Bentley is gonna have an awesome NFL
2:05:55
Speaker 3: career because he is built for it, right. He's got
2:05:58
Speaker 3: the body that can sustain the NFL pressures and he
2:06:02
Speaker 3: can block, he can actually play the position. I know
2:06:04
Speaker 3: there's a lot of teams that are going for guys
2:06:07
Speaker 3: that are more of the big, heavy bodied wide receiver.
2:06:12
Speaker 3: That's not him. He's a George Kittle type tight end.
2:06:15
Speaker 3: And George Kittle's good. And also George Kittle is injured.
2:06:18
Speaker 3: So forty nine ers draft Allen Bentley. How about that?
2:06:22
Speaker 3: All right, take another break here, and we have to
2:06:25
Speaker 3: have a very very important discussion that we're going to
2:06:27
Speaker 3: bring in to the Sean O'Connell Show because of Diego Pavia.
2:06:32
Speaker 3: Of all people, how much can you exaggerate your height
2:06:37
Speaker 3: before people have to raise their eyebrows give you a
2:06:39
Speaker 3: little bit of a side eye. I'm talking about grown
2:06:42
Speaker 3: adult males here and grown adult women. How much can
2:06:45
Speaker 3: you exaggerate your own height? It's a Sean O'Connell show
2:06:50
Speaker 3: on ESPN seven hundred ninety TWEFM.
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Speaker 7: We know.
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Speaker 1: You were listening to about Sean O'Connell show. Your source
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Speaker 1: for the Best Youths Football copy reach. Here's oc from
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Speaker 1: the Murdoch Hyundai Studio of ESPN seven hundred at ninety
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Speaker 1: two to one a half am, No.
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Speaker 2: Doubt, all right, Senior bull time. Combine time.
2:07:15
Speaker 3: The pre draft process is when people get called out
2:07:19
Speaker 3: for their physical deficiencies. You don't ever want to be
2:07:25
Speaker 3: the guy with the small hands. Right, Quarterbacks get their
2:07:30
Speaker 3: hands measured at the combine, and suddenly someone who's been
2:07:32
Speaker 3: like the ultimate alpha their whole life, starting quarterback in
2:07:36
Speaker 3: Division one football, all of a sudden.
2:07:38
Speaker 2: People are just like, guy's got small hands.
2:07:42
Speaker 3: You wouldn't have known that if he didn't go to
2:07:44
Speaker 3: the combine, But we do it to people, right. Diego
2:07:47
Speaker 3: Pavia was the Heisman Trophy runner up. Now I have
2:07:51
Speaker 3: not seen anyone's popularity become such a roller coaster because
2:07:55
Speaker 3: all year long, on the rise, on the rise, on
2:07:57
Speaker 3: the rise, and then how he reacted to not winning
2:07:59
Speaker 3: the high Heisman. Uh, he started to go back down.
2:08:02
Speaker 3: And now this is gonna make it even worse. But
2:08:06
Speaker 3: it begs the question that I put out on the
2:08:08
Speaker 3: on the pole today, how much can you exaggerate your
2:08:11
Speaker 3: height before people look at you like really, Diego Pavia
2:08:17
Speaker 3: is listed in the Vanderbilt program as six feet tall.
2:08:21
Speaker 3: At the Senior Bowl, he measured five feet nine and
2:08:25
Speaker 3: three quarters.
2:08:26
Speaker 5: Ugh, that's that's not close enough.
2:08:30
Speaker 2: Now.
2:08:30
Speaker 3: Look, I understand why everyone, especially particularly men, you want
2:08:37
Speaker 3: to you want to stay above that six foot line
2:08:39
Speaker 3: of demarcation. All right, But if you're five ten and
2:08:43
Speaker 3: a half, you can probably get away with it. If
2:08:45
Speaker 3: you're five eleven anywhere, you can round up. If you're
2:08:50
Speaker 3: five to nine something, you can't say you're six feet tall.
2:08:53
Speaker 2: You can't do it.
2:08:55
Speaker 3: Now everyone's trotting out the Heisman group photos with all
2:08:58
Speaker 3: the all the five lists, and you know he's next
2:09:01
Speaker 3: to Fernando Mendoza, who's six' five and now you're just, like, oh,
2:09:05
Speaker 3: yep you look real.
2:09:06
Speaker 2: Short the Ego, Pavia i'm really grateful for my height
2:09:12
Speaker 2: and and and for my. Teammates that's For Nana.
2:09:16
Speaker 5: Mendozo, YEAH i got absolutely at the, combine we'll be
2:09:19
Speaker 5: saying something like.
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Speaker 3: That, sure this is from twenty four to ninety. Two
2:09:24
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2:09:28
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2:09:30
Speaker 3: five feet six in just. Tall you cannot exaggerate that
2:09:33
Speaker 3: at all when you're, short because it's pretty. Obvious the
2:09:36
Speaker 3: taller you, are the easier it is to exaggerate your.
2:09:39
Speaker 3: Height if a guy six y five and tell me six,
2:09:41
Speaker 3: SEVEN i don't know any. Better if someone tells me
2:09:43
Speaker 3: that that's five to, three that tells me they're five to,
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Speaker 3: FOUR i instantly know they're. Lying that is, true by the,
2:09:51
Speaker 3: way because you lose perspective when you're looking. Up so
2:09:54
Speaker 3: if you're a guy who's six,' six it's like it's
2:09:57
Speaker 3: like IN, the nba right everyone Just like i'm seven,
2:10:01
Speaker 3: Feet tall, it's like you're not seven, feet tall you're
2:10:03
Speaker 3: six ten and. A half but when you're when everyone
2:10:07
Speaker 3: else in the world is five ten to, six one
2:10:10
Speaker 3: you can say that you're seven feet tall when you're.
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2:10:18
Speaker 2: Uh wan, sota says, oh see are you height?
2:10:21
Speaker 3: Shaming, Him no i'm asking this is a social question
2:10:25
Speaker 3: because all of us exaggerate.
2:10:27
Speaker 2: Our height.
2:10:28
Speaker 3: Everyone does and if you've ever been in a game
2:10:31
Speaker 3: program as a, college athlete like if you GO back
2:10:35
Speaker 3: i should. Find one if you go back To My
2:10:37
Speaker 3: jordan high school game programs right.
2:10:42
Speaker 4: In.
2:10:42
Speaker 2: Real life in, HIGH.
2:10:43
Speaker 3: School i was six foot to six, foot one LIKE
2:10:48
Speaker 3: probably i started out at six foot ended up graduating
2:10:50
Speaker 3: at six, foot, One right and depending on the year
2:10:54
Speaker 3: AND if i was wrestling after, FOOTBALL season i was weighing.
2:10:59
Speaker 3: TWO hundred i was a. BIG sophomore i was weighing
2:11:01
Speaker 3: two hundred to two hundred and. Fifteen pounds if you
2:11:05
Speaker 3: go look at The Old jordan high school FOOTBALL program.
2:11:09
Speaker 3: I was i put down my height and weight as
2:11:11
Speaker 3: like six three two twenty five in hopes that some
2:11:15
Speaker 3: idiot college football coach would wander by and, be, like
2:11:18
Speaker 3: oh they got a qut wo six three two, twenty
2:11:20
Speaker 3: five let me look. At him didn't work, All right but,
2:11:24
Speaker 3: you exaggerate especially when you're.
2:11:25
Speaker 2: An athlete you. Always exaggerate i've been guilty of.
2:11:28
Speaker 3: This myself now when you get into the combat, sports
2:11:31
Speaker 3: world when you GET, into mma can't.
2:11:33
Speaker 2: Do it can't do.
2:11:34
Speaker 3: It anymore This specific they, measure, you yeah because they
2:11:38
Speaker 3: want to know. Your, height obviously your weight is something
2:11:42
Speaker 3: that you have to weigh in at and then that
2:11:44
Speaker 3: you can fluctuate up. From there in the twenty four
2:11:46
Speaker 3: hours between your wigh and in, you fight and then.
2:11:49
Speaker 3: Your reach they measure all. The time they measure your
2:11:53
Speaker 3: reach over and over and, over again so you are constantly,
2:11:57
Speaker 3: being MEASURED and.
2:12:01
Speaker 7: I.
2:12:01
Speaker 3: Couldn't exaggerate SO suddenly i couldn't TELL people i was
2:12:05
Speaker 3: more than six.
2:12:05
Speaker 2: To one i'm, six.
2:12:06
Speaker 3: ONE right i couldn't tell people like you do on
2:12:11
Speaker 3: the local, fight scene you got a seventy eight. Inch reach, it's,
2:12:14
Speaker 3: like no, you, don't dude we just.
2:12:15
Speaker 2: Measured you you have a seventy five. Inch reaching, dang.
2:12:18
Speaker 4: It it was.
2:12:20
Speaker 2: THREE inches i.
2:12:21
Speaker 3: Needed those so it just Sucks For, diego pavia who
2:12:25
Speaker 3: plays larger. Than, Life right but there are teams out
2:12:28
Speaker 3: there that are gonna, be, like uh. You're five you're
2:12:32
Speaker 3: not even five, to. Ten, dude yeah we're not. Drafting
2:12:35
Speaker 3: you we're not giving like you're not even five. To
2:12:37
Speaker 3: ten when every offensive lineman IN the nfl is six'
2:12:40
Speaker 3: five and every defensive lineman can extend his arms up to,
2:12:45
Speaker 3: Seven feet tall we're not signing a quarterback who's five
2:12:48
Speaker 3: foot nine And three quarters diego and we get hyper
2:12:52
Speaker 3: obsessed with the measurables and.
2:12:53
Speaker 2: Things like that it's one of my AS much as i.
2:12:57
Speaker 3: Enjoy the combine it's also one OF the things i
2:13:00
Speaker 3: hate most about the combine is guys will run like
2:13:04
Speaker 3: four tenths of a second too slow, in they're forty
2:13:07
Speaker 3: and they go from being a draftable player to completely.
2:13:11
Speaker 3: Off the radar you know who is an amazing? College
2:13:13
Speaker 3: football player people who have been watching the youth since.
2:13:16
Speaker 3: Back Twelve Days, Remember nate. Landman, Colorado linebacker.
2:13:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, rams, Linebacker Now right.
2:13:22
Speaker 3: Nate landman ran like six, tenths too slow and, everyone,
2:13:27
Speaker 3: just like nope.
2:13:28
Speaker 2: Can't sign. Him he's terrible he's a starting LINEBACKER.
2:13:32
Speaker 3: In the nfl he was a starting linebacker and the
2:13:35
Speaker 3: bleeding Tackler of the, pac twelve conference and, everyone's, just
2:13:38
Speaker 3: like oh.
2:13:39
Speaker 2: You can't play he's like.
2:13:41
Speaker 3: Six' four strongest he ran just a, little bit too
2:13:45
Speaker 3: slow and so he dropped off the draft boards and
2:13:48
Speaker 3: he had to go, the, long way back which of
2:13:50
Speaker 3: course it's, good that you Can but diego pave it
2:13:54
Speaker 3: might be in that behind himself, in that situation now
2:13:57
Speaker 3: because when you when your height as a core is like.
2:14:01
Speaker 3: Five eleven is short if it, says five nine something that's.
2:14:08
Speaker 5: Brutal, for a quarterback yeah you can't say you're six
2:14:13
Speaker 5: feet if you're, not, even five ten like that's. THAT'S
2:14:18
Speaker 5: can't do it i, think IT'S an inch and i
2:14:22
Speaker 5: seem that seems to be running away with. It in,
2:14:24
Speaker 5: the poll you can you can round up.
2:14:27
Speaker 4: To the.
2:14:27
Speaker 5: Next INCH you.
2:14:29
Speaker 2: CAN maybe i don't i wouldn't.
2:14:30
Speaker 5: Even say you can you'd have to round up if
2:14:32
Speaker 5: you're six to one and you want to say, You're,
2:14:34
Speaker 5: SIX to two like. I don't think anyone i don't
2:14:36
Speaker 5: think that many, people are gonna. NOTICE unless, maybe they're
2:14:40
Speaker 5: i mean have you had a? Lot, OF people notice.
2:14:42
Speaker 3: Look i don't. SAY i'm six two i say, i'm
2:14:45
Speaker 3: six to, one because to me six.
2:14:47
Speaker 7: To.
2:14:47
Speaker 3: One, Is adequate yeah, YEAH i'm Just like i, know
2:14:49
Speaker 3: i'm not tall, but i'm Six one which means i'm above. That,
2:14:53
Speaker 3: six Foot line, yeah and, i'm, Like all right. Fine,
2:14:55
Speaker 3: i'm six one. However here's another thing depending on, what
2:14:59
Speaker 3: age you are you might not be the height. You
2:15:02
Speaker 3: think you are this happened to we did this at a.
2:15:06
Speaker 3: My high school friends we all Get together for a, christmas,
2:15:08
Speaker 3: party every year right gather the old, high school. Buddies together,
2:15:12
Speaker 3: the spouses it's great and somehow last we. Hosted it,
2:15:16
Speaker 3: this year Last year my buddy scott, and his wife
2:15:19
Speaker 3: hosted and somehow someone pulled out the tape measure and
2:15:23
Speaker 3: we were, measuring who that like because some people have
2:15:25
Speaker 3: grown since high school and are now, Taller, THAN they.
2:15:27
Speaker 2: Were right i haven't I'M the, same height I was. Except.
2:15:33
Speaker 3: Maybe, i'm not James, oh because so scott the, tallest of,
2:15:37
Speaker 3: our friends, the host big dude offensive tackle immens he
2:15:41
Speaker 3: could HAVE. Played in the nfl i'll, die on that hill. Neither,
2:15:44
Speaker 3: here nor. There Okay, dude's AWESOME but scott since i
2:15:48
Speaker 3: have known, him in seventh grade has. Been six foot.
2:15:51
Speaker 3: Five he is huge. He's a big dude right, busted
2:15:55
Speaker 3: out the tape he's. Shrunk, a Little bit, oh, And
2:15:59
Speaker 3: i'm like WELL i'm still so i got measured like
2:16:02
Speaker 3: five YEARS. Ago for the Pfl there's no way. I'M
2:16:06
Speaker 3: shorter than that i can round up, To, Six to
2:16:09
Speaker 3: one james but it didn't say exactly. Six, to one
2:16:11
Speaker 3: anymore so depending, how old you are you might be.
2:16:15
Speaker 3: Shrinking a little, bit your bone density the, disks in your. Back,
2:16:19
Speaker 3: whatever's going on hey you gotta be careful. Claiming a
2:16:22
Speaker 3: certain height.
2:16:23
Speaker 5: Does she Know, About, the shrinkage sean yeah there's, some
2:16:27
Speaker 5: shrinkage going on. Depending On, Your Age.
2:16:29
Speaker 3: Family show Family, Show james oh man This is From.
2:16:35
Speaker 3: VEGAS ute on twitter. A long time ago i was
2:16:39
Speaker 3: looking at a.
2:16:40
Speaker 2: College.
2:16:41
Speaker 3: Girlfriend's driver's license me this says. You're five to, ten
2:16:46
Speaker 3: she it's wrong should.
2:16:48
Speaker 7: Be.
2:16:48
Speaker 2: Five, to nine me well how? Tall are you really five?
2:16:51
Speaker 8: Nine?
2:16:51
Speaker 3: And three quarters. Me that's five ten everyone knows you
2:16:55
Speaker 3: round up if you're five. Nine and Three Quarters that's what,
2:16:58
Speaker 3: diego poppy is doing except he's going back. As five
2:17:00
Speaker 3: to ten he's trying to go all the way to six, foot,
2:17:03
Speaker 3: and she says no it's not that's. Not five to
2:17:06
Speaker 3: ten what is the difference between five nine? And five
2:17:09
Speaker 3: to ten she says five to. Ten is too tall
2:17:13
Speaker 3: so it's different. Depending on your perspective maybe as. A
2:17:18
Speaker 3: gender based thing, if you're a woman you might not
2:17:20
Speaker 3: want to. Be six feet tall, if you're a man
2:17:24
Speaker 3: you want to. Be six feet.
2:17:25
Speaker 2: Tall it's it's on we were talking.
2:17:29
Speaker 5: About this off air it's the unfortunate other side, of
2:17:32
Speaker 5: things gender wise because there's a lot of women who
2:17:39
Speaker 5: don't want to make their significant other feel inferior if,
2:17:45
Speaker 5: they're taller than them or if they're too.
2:17:47
Speaker 2: Much taller than, them.
2:17:50
Speaker 5: In my, opinion in this situation she had to just
2:17:53
Speaker 5: be able to say she's five ten and. Be fine
2:17:55
Speaker 5: with it but it's a little more complicated than that.
2:17:58
Speaker 2: BECAUSE.
2:17:58
Speaker 3: Of different things, Jd jorgan's and says i'd say it
2:18:01
Speaker 3: depends on your actual height. Sixty six and under you
2:18:03
Speaker 3: can exaggerate an, inch above six seven. A couple of
2:18:07
Speaker 3: inches most people struggle judging that length because. It's Not,
2:18:09
Speaker 3: very common, Josh Newman. Our buddy josh newman he says
2:18:13
Speaker 3: his license. Reads six foot eight i'm six six. On
2:18:18
Speaker 3: my best, DAY first of all.
2:18:23
Speaker 8: I.
2:18:23
Speaker 2: NEED to check that I don't know if I don't
2:18:25
Speaker 2: know if josh is even sixty six. On his best.
2:18:27
Speaker 2: Day he's tall now. He's a tall.
2:18:28
Speaker 5: Guy he's tall now he towers. Over both. Of us
2:18:31
Speaker 5: for sure he's. A very tall man but six. To,
2:18:33
Speaker 5: six is tall yeah he did play he, Did Play.
2:18:37
Speaker 5: College basketball josh newman so let it be a lesson,
2:18:42
Speaker 5: to all of, us, And To.
2:18:43
Speaker 3: You specifically diego pavia if you try to, add two
2:18:48
Speaker 3: plus inches you're.
2:18:49
Speaker 2: Gonna be found OUT.
2:18:51
Speaker 5: And and PROBABLY i think that i think that some
2:18:53
Speaker 5: of our texters and and our our tweeters are.
2:18:57
Speaker 2: Are onto something here.
2:18:59
Speaker 5: You maybe can and get, away with with estimating overestimating
2:19:03
Speaker 5: by more than an inch if you, are already really,
2:19:06
Speaker 5: tall like Your, friend your friend scott maybe. He's, six
2:19:10
Speaker 5: foot seven yeah but at that.
2:19:12
Speaker 2: Point it.
2:19:12
Speaker 3: Doesn't, matter that's what now you're just getting greedy if
2:19:15
Speaker 3: you're six, Ft what you?
2:19:16
Speaker 2: Are i'm six eight why six?
2:19:19
Speaker 5: Six not good, enough the only time the only time
2:19:23
Speaker 5: that they should be doing that is if they're trying
2:19:25
Speaker 5: to compare themselves.
2:19:26
Speaker 7: TO.
2:19:26
Speaker 5: Other professional athletes, o. They're giant, humans right the otherwise
2:19:30
Speaker 5: if you're just if you're just talking to the us and, means.
2:19:32
Speaker 2: Of the world.
2:19:33
Speaker 5: JUST you're six, five.
2:19:35
Speaker 3: I wonder If, like victor webbin yama wants to round
2:19:38
Speaker 3: down because. He's, seven, To five now Yeah, i'm seven.
2:19:41
Speaker 3: To no, you're not. You're not you, Giant we saw
2:19:45
Speaker 3: that we saw that picture Of You. Next, to rudy gobert.
2:19:48
Speaker 3: Listen you humongous freak we know that you're taller. Than seven, To,
2:19:52
Speaker 3: three all right well.
2:19:54
Speaker 5: Now we've given him a reason to want to. WANT
2:19:57
Speaker 5: to round down.
2:19:58
Speaker 3: I feel like a little bullying is healthy for people
2:20:01
Speaker 3: that are. Physically superior to YOU you, Know what i
2:20:03
Speaker 3: mean like if there's this strapping six.
2:20:08
Speaker 5: Foot clip to that that's, gonna be a drop some
2:20:10
Speaker 5: huge six foot eight.
2:20:11
Speaker 3: Inch person walks. In, it's healthy. Back oh awkwardly tall
2:20:14
Speaker 3: it's a bad thing that. You're better than me, what's
2:20:17
Speaker 3: the you know.
2:20:18
Speaker 5: The the cheesy but actually also pretty good? Uh, movie
2:20:25
Speaker 5: the breakup yes the line in there that's, great About About.
2:20:30
Speaker 5: Tall About Vince vaughn it's jennifer anderson. Calls him oddly
2:20:33
Speaker 5: tall she describes she's trying to find him after they.
2:20:37
Speaker 5: After they've broken up she's trying to find, it, in
2:20:39
Speaker 5: the movie like have? You seen this guy he's, he's
2:20:41
Speaker 5: got dark.
2:20:42
Speaker 3: Hair he's, oddly tall you know you haven't really pulled
2:20:45
Speaker 3: out an obscure movie reference. That it was time james
2:20:49
Speaker 3: has been steered away from his remarkably, specific pop culture
2:20:54
Speaker 3: references and here. Was it was time it's Back All
2:20:57
Speaker 3: because of diego. Papa BEING too short the nfl. See
2:21:00
Speaker 3: he's odfully SHORT now like the ufl is not going.
2:21:05
Speaker 3: To Care, about that diego yeah b SIX. Foot in
2:21:08
Speaker 3: the ufl You. Go play for birmingham. Everyone's cool, with
2:21:10
Speaker 3: it all right say you're six to Seven, in the for.
2:21:14
Speaker 3: Birmingham no, one cares just wait there's got to be
2:21:19
Speaker 3: people out there that are just. Like toying with this
2:21:21
Speaker 3: they're seeing how much they can exaggerate. Before they're, called
2:21:24
Speaker 3: out and, no seven foot four so, you are not
2:21:29
Speaker 3: well you know where. This is most common this is
2:21:32
Speaker 3: a very much like. A professional WRESTLING, thing in the
2:21:36
Speaker 3: wwe they would always say people were way bigger. Than
2:21:40
Speaker 3: they actually are just make them larger than. Life, Literally
2:21:45
Speaker 3: AND figuratively right, so, I think, that like i mean
2:21:49
Speaker 3: if you google how Tall, is like hul cogan.
2:21:54
Speaker 5: It'll say. Like seven to five How?
2:21:58
Speaker 2: Tall is hull?
2:21:58
Speaker 3: COGAN six foot seven i would be willing to bet
2:22:02
Speaker 3: a Ton of money that terry, whatever his name, is
2:22:08
Speaker 3: his real name whatever, YOUR real name is i bet he's.
2:22:12
Speaker 2: Like six To.
2:22:13
Speaker 3: TWO andre the giant i think they listened to him at.
2:22:17
Speaker 3: Like seven foot four he probably is not anywhere near,
2:22:20
Speaker 3: that price six'. Ten like five hundred pounds there's. Just
2:22:26
Speaker 3: no way More Obscure.
2:22:28
Speaker 5: Movie referenced, Time greatest Showman uh huh barnum does barnum
2:22:33
Speaker 5: does this? Like that's when it started probably oh. Ce
2:22:36
Speaker 5: easy for the circus so He made, the one guy
2:22:41
Speaker 5: he's like?
2:22:42
Speaker 2: You're how tall?
2:22:43
Speaker 5: Are you six foot six we're gonna make you seven,
2:22:45
Speaker 5: to five because it's better and. We're gonna, make you
2:22:47
Speaker 5: irish so yeah that's that's. Probably where.
2:22:50
Speaker 3: All, this started, they, did anyway diego look man we
2:22:56
Speaker 3: all wish we. Had a couple extra inches, we you
2:22:58
Speaker 3: can't Do it and this isn't you're gonna get. Found
2:23:01
Speaker 3: out at some point you can't be telling people you. Got,
2:23:03
Speaker 3: two extra. Inches anywhere really we're not and this and
2:23:08
Speaker 3: and for a. Text one appreciate you listening. This is
2:23:12
Speaker 3: not height shaming we're. Just asking asking, the.
2:23:16
Speaker 5: Question like your eyebrows it does make you raise your eyebrows, when,
2:23:19
Speaker 5: you when YOU'RE like yeah that's NOT i don't think
2:23:23
Speaker 5: you're i don't think you're telling, The truth there.
2:23:25
Speaker 3: Right now uh fifty eight point seven percent of the
2:23:28
Speaker 3: votes coming in at you can exaggerate one inch in
2:23:32
Speaker 3: second place is two inches, at just over twenty percent,
2:23:36
Speaker 3: and uh. In third place zero inches we can all
2:23:39
Speaker 3: see you is not GETTING as MUCH run.
2:23:41
Speaker 5: AS i thought i do i do like, this snarky
2:23:44
Speaker 5: addition to that. We can all, SEE you.
2:23:46
Speaker 3: By the way i put a poll question out at the,
2:23:48
Speaker 3: end of the show yesterday, Which is A. Cooler city
2:23:50
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Speaker 3: indirectly making fun of him for. Exaggerating his heights so
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Speaker 3: drastically so we'll bring. It back to some positivity how
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Speaker 3: many touchdown Passes did he throw at vanderbilt his? Final
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Speaker 9: Conversation driving in uh huh are you aware of the
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Speaker 9: most dishonest space?
2:25:52
Speaker 2: That exists in the? World what?
2:25:54
Speaker 4: Does?
2:25:55
Speaker 2: That, mean dating apps sure okay so when it comes it.
2:26:00
Speaker 9: Is, Everybody everybody is lying okay you've got people that
2:26:06
Speaker 9: are posting pictures from twenty fifteen.
2:26:09
Speaker 2: And then you, show up and you're like you.
2:26:10
Speaker 9: Don't look like that anymore, but the number one thing at,
2:26:14
Speaker 9: least This is my understanding because i've got a couple
2:26:16
Speaker 9: of single friends that believe women are basically uninterested in
2:26:23
Speaker 9: them because they're. Not, Six feet or taller right so as,
2:26:29
Speaker 9: A result on dating apps i feel like the height
2:26:32
Speaker 9: conversation is where we need to bring this into because
2:26:37
Speaker 9: short men are convinced that women do not want to,
2:26:41
Speaker 9: date THEM because they're short and i think tall women
2:26:46
Speaker 9: go the other way and think men don't want to.
2:26:48
Speaker 9: Date them because they're tall so what you have on
2:26:50
Speaker 9: dating apps are a bunch of liars.
2:26:53
Speaker 2: Women subtracting two plus inches.
2:26:56
Speaker 9: In, MEN adding two plus yes I have a friend
2:26:58
Speaker 9: and i'm not going to, say his name on Air
2:26:59
Speaker 9: but He's a big Utah football Joe.
2:27:01
Speaker 2: Is not i'll say Frank.
2:27:03
Speaker 4: It's, A.
2:27:03
Speaker 9: Code name frank okay James he is. A big utah football,
2:27:07
Speaker 9: fan he loves your show. So he might be listening
2:27:10
Speaker 9: and you are a liar because he is five six.
2:27:13
Speaker 9: And forty seven years old his dating app says five
2:27:17
Speaker 9: to nine and like, Thirty.
2:27:18
Speaker 2: Four and hold on yes the height thing whatever. That
2:27:24
Speaker 2: many years is psychopathic.
2:27:28
Speaker 9: He has given himself an extra three to four inches
2:27:30
Speaker 9: on his dating profile and has subtracted his. Age by
2:27:33
Speaker 9: about a decade and his whole, theory, and you know,
2:27:37
Speaker 9: what like first, of all you're HAPPILY married, all The things.
2:27:41
Speaker 9: I mean, as louis c k says no matter, how happily,
2:27:44
Speaker 9: married you are. Get divorced he'll be better but.
2:27:45
Speaker 2: That's none of.
2:27:46
Speaker 9: My business do your thing don't ever get into this
2:27:49
Speaker 9: world of trying to date in your forties is. Chaos
2:27:53
Speaker 9: because everybody's everybody's lying and so his assertion is women
2:27:59
Speaker 9: are misrep resenting the way they look with filters on
2:28:02
Speaker 9: pictures and, pictures from a decade ago and maybe sending
2:28:07
Speaker 9: out headshots but not, shots of the entire thing and
2:28:09
Speaker 9: then you, Show, UP and you're like okay i.
2:28:11
Speaker 2: See what we're working with so his assertion is they're
2:28:13
Speaker 2: so dishonest that it's no.
2:28:16
Speaker 9: Skin off his, back exactly and so like if he
2:28:21
Speaker 9: can convince them just to meet, up based off of
2:28:23
Speaker 9: lying then, he, can convince them like HEY it's, not
2:28:26
Speaker 9: really who i am but now you SEE what, an,
2:28:28
Speaker 9: awesome guy i am right so we. Can let bygones
2:28:30
Speaker 9: be bygones, it is a wild philosophy and it hasn't,
2:28:33
Speaker 9: worked for him at all but.
2:28:34
Speaker 2: That's that's where he's at it.
2:28:35
Speaker 3: Would, be a pretty HILARIOUS icebreaker.
2:28:37
Speaker 2: You, Know what i mean yeah.
2:28:39
Speaker 3: Like it'd be very disarming if someone showed up and
2:28:41
Speaker 3: you're four inches shorter and fifteen, years.
2:28:44
Speaker 9: Older, THAN you thought, right right i was lying but
2:28:47
Speaker 9: so were. You, BECAUSE look at you yeah i mean,
2:28:50
Speaker 9: it's a it's, a risky uh you know way to.
2:28:52
Speaker 9: Go ABOUT the entire, thing, but i don't know man
2:28:55
Speaker 9: you don't. Want to danger middle. Age it's it gets
2:28:59
Speaker 9: chaotic but when it comes, TO the discussion about height
2:29:01
Speaker 9: i just you got to bring it into the realm
2:29:04
Speaker 9: of dating apps because people online do not represent who.
2:29:08
Speaker 2: They are Accurately at All, zach.
2:29:11
Speaker 3: On twitter, ON twitter on the text I wants to
2:29:14
Speaker 3: know if Spence will go to the pitbull concert, WITH
2:29:16
Speaker 3: whoever wins, The, tickets i? Will not oh thank you
2:29:18
Speaker 3: thought maybe if you lie about your height enough and
2:29:23
Speaker 3: you put, enough filters.
2:29:24
Speaker 9: ON your pictures maybe yeah. I, Mean you never know
2:29:27
Speaker 9: look i'm a, little Bit older than you but i've
2:29:29
Speaker 9: experienced dating in like four different generations and so never
2:29:33
Speaker 9: did the.
2:29:34
Speaker 2: Dating app thing.
2:29:34
Speaker 9: At all didn't want to but that's like the younger
2:29:38
Speaker 9: generation thinks it's weird that my generation thinks it's weird.
2:29:42
Speaker 9: To actually, be, on it like wait no this is,
2:29:44
Speaker 9: How you do it now so you kind of really,
2:29:47
Speaker 9: see what the landscape is and you just see how
2:29:49
Speaker 9: dishonest people are because we're, all just looking.
2:29:53
Speaker 2: At love just your thing i've met my wife.
2:29:55
Speaker 9: Because, of a Dating app yeah but but kendall is beautiful, and,
2:30:00
Speaker 9: you know you, yeah okay, WELL all right, well joke i.
2:30:03
Speaker 4: Love you.
2:30:05
Speaker 9: Loads of Joke but, you had Her, instagram profile you
2:30:08
Speaker 9: could yeah you were safe because dating apps like you
2:30:12
Speaker 9: see like a face or, maybe like a left leg
2:30:15
Speaker 9: and then suddenly they don't their left arm. Is, the,
2:30:17
Speaker 9: amputator or something everybody no everybody is misrepresenting something and
2:30:23
Speaker 9: unless you kind, of get the, whole picture my recommendation
2:30:27
Speaker 9: is do not set up a date because you're going
2:30:28
Speaker 9: to show up and spend one hundred and twenty bucks.
2:30:30
Speaker 2: On BRUNCH and go Home do i sound like? I've,
2:30:32
Speaker 2: had experience with this yeah, it does. Sound like okay
2:30:34
Speaker 2: fair enough, maybe you're jaded, AGAINST this.
2:30:36
Speaker 8: By.
2:30:36
Speaker 2: The way i am uh we are guilty of The Same.
2:30:38
Speaker 3: Thing here at broadway media AND do you know why
2:30:40
Speaker 3: i can say that because the billboards That we put
2:30:43
Speaker 3: up for deshan O'Connell, show when he was relaunched. That
2:30:47
Speaker 3: picture that is old that picture. Is, now twelve years
2:30:51
Speaker 3: old yeah that's that's. A twelve year old photo, but it. Looks,
2:30:56
Speaker 3: Like you it doesn't well i'm just trying to be
2:30:59
Speaker 3: nice Because isn't at. All definitely sceterio at all but.
2:31:03
Speaker 9: You're promoting a radio show you're not trying to fool
2:31:06
Speaker 9: people into meeting up with you so you can hang out.
2:31:09
Speaker 2: And maybe fall in love it's a much. DIFFERENT thing in,
2:31:11
Speaker 2: a way.
2:31:11
Speaker 3: I am okay that's fair i watch you to hang
2:31:13
Speaker 3: out with me on the radio and fall, in, love
2:31:15
Speaker 3: with the SHOW okay and?
2:31:17
Speaker 2: Become A p one listener is? P one still a
2:31:20
Speaker 2: thing i don't think people even know what that means
2:31:22
Speaker 2: it it used to be.
2:31:23
Speaker 9: In, like, nineteen ninety eight, yeah no in, a way
2:31:26
Speaker 9: in a way you're at but you're not misrepresenting your.
2:31:28
Speaker 9: Voice or it doesn't matter like the, great thing about
2:31:32
Speaker 9: this business it. Doesn't matter how you look and have
2:31:34
Speaker 9: you seen a lot. Of people, That do radio YOU
2:31:36
Speaker 9: know luckily you. And i are very handsome we're, just
2:31:39
Speaker 9: we just lucked out so it doesn't matter how It.
2:31:41
Speaker 3: Goes like it goes Spence yeah then. Me then bracos
2:31:45
Speaker 3: wild yep according.
2:31:46
Speaker 2: To accurate representation of the. Three, OF us for sure.
2:31:50
Speaker 3: Oh i noticed you didn't admit how much height you
2:31:55
Speaker 3: add to. Yourself on these dating. Apps IT'S a fair
2:31:57
Speaker 3: question and i am tall enough to. GET away with six,
2:31:59
Speaker 3: feet i, am five eleven all Right Literally five eleven like?
2:32:03
Speaker 3: Diego poppy is five eleven?
2:32:04
Speaker 2: ARE you not usually Five i am admitting. Then i'm
2:32:07
Speaker 2: not six feet i'm, admitting Then i'm a.
2:32:09
Speaker 9: Five that i'm five, eleven but on dating apps, i'm
2:32:11
Speaker 9: Six foot all right because i'll walk in.
2:32:13
Speaker 2: And, NOBODY'S gonna be like oh i think he's five.
2:32:14
Speaker 9: Eleven AND not six foot if i Was like five,
2:32:17
Speaker 9: six like frank my friend and, added four or five,
2:32:21
Speaker 9: inches then you walk in, you see the, short guy
2:32:23
Speaker 9: you walk. Out no problem, AT all so but no
2:32:26
Speaker 9: i am tall enough to get away with putting six foot.
2:32:29
Speaker 3: Six foot on, the app by the way all of
2:32:31
Speaker 3: you out there misrepresenting your, height on these dating apps
2:32:33
Speaker 3: make sure that you go to a fancier restaurant if
2:32:36
Speaker 3: you take if, you go out fast food you go to.
2:32:38
Speaker 2: Like a like a cafe real they.
2:32:40
Speaker 3: Have that little hight tape that's that's right for the
2:32:44
Speaker 3: police profiling for robberies and things like, that.
2:32:46
Speaker 9: What's the safest okay because if you sign up for,
2:32:50
Speaker 9: dinner and you show, up you're gonna have dinner even
2:32:54
Speaker 9: if even if you show up and you realize the
2:32:56
Speaker 9: person is. Completely, misrepresented who they are sure what's it's
2:33:00
Speaker 9: the safest first interaction where you're able to bail as
2:33:03
Speaker 9: quickly As possible if?
2:33:04
Speaker 2: It's not?
2:33:05
Speaker 3: IS it, coffee is it, I mean you tell me i'm,
2:33:08
Speaker 3: out OF this world now but i think, it's probably,
2:33:11
Speaker 3: like a coffee? A, tea an ice.
2:33:13
Speaker 2: Cream, OKAY an ice cream well i know everyone probably.
2:33:17
Speaker 2: Says coffee make yourself interesting would you like to?
2:33:21
Speaker 4: Go, get a?
2:33:21
Speaker 3: Dirty soda no a swig?
2:33:24
Speaker 2: Would you?
2:33:24
Speaker 9: LIKE a swig uh huh i know, You're out of
2:33:27
Speaker 9: The game but now that, i'm back in the GAME
2:33:28
Speaker 9: these are the lessons I need to learn, because, i'm
2:33:32
Speaker 9: AN old dude antiquated like i am a, dinner and
2:33:34
Speaker 9: a movie guy and. That's not a thing anymore maybe
2:33:37
Speaker 9: a walk in the park and then. You, can just
2:33:39
Speaker 9: bail you actually, You HAVE an, amazing, Dog yes i do, Right,
2:33:43
Speaker 9: Duke is here today yes duke.
2:33:44
Speaker 8: Is here in.
2:33:44
Speaker 3: The, studio the dog walk okay that's a great one,
2:33:49
Speaker 3: Because if it's going. Well, duke's helping you out, yeah
2:33:52
Speaker 3: it's a GREAT wingman. You know what i mean if
2:33:55
Speaker 3: it's a bad date and, you want to bail out,
2:33:58
Speaker 3: you could just be Like.
2:33:59
Speaker 2: There's some wrong.
2:34:00
Speaker 3: With, duke he's walking funny uh he's got Like you
2:34:03
Speaker 3: see how he's that's. Not, HOW he usually acts yeah.
2:34:06
Speaker 3: I better get him home. He's there's something. Wrong here
2:34:09
Speaker 3: you nailed.
2:34:09
Speaker 2: It i'm gonna use that.
2:34:11
Speaker 7: Go.
2:34:11
Speaker 9: To the dog park yep you can spend an hour,
2:34:14
Speaker 9: together or. Five minutes together that's right so, the final
2:34:17
Speaker 9: thing for me stop lying about who.
2:34:19
Speaker 2: You are online. It is it is exhausting. You are
2:34:22
Speaker 2: wasting everybody's time.
2:34:23
Speaker 3: And if you do, it as a football player people
2:34:27
Speaker 3: across the nation are gonna snicker at you because you
2:34:30
Speaker 3: added too.
2:34:31
Speaker 2: Many inches, to, Your profile so lose lose just be
2:34:34
Speaker 2: who You are, as you and james, Said, we can
2:34:36
Speaker 2: see you.
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