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NFL Fantasy Update · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast presented by BED.
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  Speaker 1: We are part of the Action Network. I am Chad Millman,
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  Speaker 1: Chief Content Officer of the Action Network. Joining me to
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  Speaker 1: do this fantastic show is my co host, my companion,
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  Speaker 1: Mike and Padre my BFF professional better Simon Hunter Elrosoimon.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, Chad, how are we doing?
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  Speaker 2: Brother?
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  Speaker 1: You know those shows where I know it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be great because I know exactly how you're going to
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  Speaker 1: respond to what one guest says, how that guest is
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  Speaker 1: going to respond to what the other guest says, because
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I've heard three other people talk more
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  Speaker 1: than you and our two guests today when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to the seven years that I've been with Action Network,
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  Speaker 1: we are doing our annual Fantasy Football Update episode with
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  Speaker 1: two Action Network and Fantasy Labs superstars. As we did
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  Speaker 1: last year, we'll discuss their top five most intriguing offseason
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  Speaker 1: moves from a NFL fantasy perspective, and by the way,
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  Speaker 1: five I put it in quotes, that's a loose five
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  Speaker 1: because I'm sure we'll go off the rails a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Our first guest is Chris Raybond Co host of the
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  Speaker 1: Action podcast in the Fantasy Flex one of the very
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  Speaker 1: best player positional rankers in the world. We could say
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  Speaker 1: best if not for the odds maker. Sean Kerner, our
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  Speaker 1: director of predictive Analytics, one of the originators of the
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  Speaker 1: Luck rankings, one of our favorite stats that we talk
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  Speaker 1: about all the time in the podcast. Sean has been
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  Speaker 1: a Fantasy pros number one ranked NFL expert three times,
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  Speaker 1: awarded most accurate NFL player projections four times, I believe
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  Speaker 1: last year when they did the write up about his rankings,
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  Speaker 1: they basically called him the goat.
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  Speaker 2: Raybun.
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  Speaker 1: Though he's classy, he doesn't get jealous about that. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the show, fellas, thanks.
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  Speaker 2: For howdy and congrats again. Sean can't get jealous. It's
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  Speaker 2: all about that synergy, baby as.
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  Speaker 1: There is nobody who's more supportive of Sean Kerner than
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  Speaker 1: Chris Raybun.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it goes both ways, ideally, hopefully.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like you guys aren't even members of the
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  Speaker 1: You are a closet fantasy freak. So I know before
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  Speaker 1: we even get to Raybond and Kerner's top five most
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  Speaker 1: intriguing moves, You've got some very serious questions about a
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  Speaker 1: name that's not on the list.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm a best ball guy, though, Chad. I do
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  Speaker 3: do season long stuff, like I'm in a couple of
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  Speaker 3: dynasty leagues. But as these guys know, when you're doing
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  Speaker 3: sports betting, it is so hard to do both because
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  Speaker 3: you have to be on top of the wave of
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  Speaker 3: wire watch trying to get your bets, and it's too much.
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  Speaker 3: So for me, best ball you just set and forget
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  Speaker 3: your lineups. It's my favorite thing to do, so off
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  Speaker 3: the top. I have a couple of best ball questions.
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  Speaker 3: I think our fans might benefit from where last year.
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  Speaker 3: I like finding bad teams that people don't like in
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  Speaker 3: the regular season and I load up on them for fantasy.
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  Speaker 3: Last year, that team for me was the Rams. This
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  Speaker 3: year my team, I know it's going to shock people
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  Speaker 3: and gross them out. It's the Giants, Like I love neighbors,
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  Speaker 3: I love high throwhigh receiver like. I think their offensive
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  Speaker 3: lines improved. And Daniel Jones with Barkley leaving, I think
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  Speaker 3: he might get more rushing touchdowns this season, which is
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  Speaker 3: like not being counted into his grade right now, where
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  Speaker 3: in Bestball he's going as a thirtieth quarterback. So I
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  Speaker 3: would love to know your guys view of this where
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  Speaker 3: it's like, I mean, if that's gonna be your second
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  Speaker 3: or third QB at the end of the draft, why
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  Speaker 3: is not everyone just taking Daniel Jones on a flyer
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  Speaker 3: the fact that he could run for ten rushing touchdowns. Chris,
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  Speaker 3: I'll start with you because you are a Giants fan.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I do like that stack. It's not my favorite,
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  Speaker 2: disgusting stack. I'll talk about that a little later, but
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you. We've seen Daniel Jones have passing
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  Speaker 2: upside his rookie year. He had a couple, i think
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  Speaker 2: three games with four plus touchdowns, four hundred plus passing yards.
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  Speaker 2: We've seen him with the rushing upside under your gable,
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  Speaker 2: and I think you stack him with neighbors. The hardest
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  Speaker 2: part really is being able to draft neighbors because you
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  Speaker 2: know he's an early round pick, but he's stacking with neighbors,
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  Speaker 2: and you stack him with Jaylen Hyatt because even if
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  Speaker 2: Jaylen Hyatt's just like a situational deep threat. Number four receiver.
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  Speaker 2: He's a guy who's gonna, you know, like, if things
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  Speaker 2: go right, he's gonna average twenty yards a catch. He's
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  Speaker 2: gonna put up you know, a few long touchdow and
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  Speaker 2: he's going to really kind of help Daniel Jones's passing value.
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  Speaker 2: So I do like it. I think the Giants are
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  Speaker 2: going to be a pretty shaky team, so they'll probably
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  Speaker 2: have to throw more. Like you said, no Barkley. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think that's exactly what you want to do in
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  Speaker 2: best ball is find those cheap stats. That's how you
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  Speaker 2: really take advantage of the correlations.
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  Speaker 5: Especially for best ball. You know, Daniel Jones does provide
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  Speaker 5: those spiked weeks that you certainly need in best ball.
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  Speaker 5: I think in terms of stacks, you know, I would
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  Speaker 5: also take a flyer maybe on like THEO Johnson at
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  Speaker 5: tight end. I mean, it looks like Darren Waller might
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  Speaker 5: be announcing his retirement very soon, so I could see
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  Speaker 5: Johnson's ADP kind of go up after that becomes official.
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  Speaker 5: Believe the number one tight end, I think it'll be
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  Speaker 5: him and Daniel Bellinger. I think THEO Johnson certainly has
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  Speaker 5: more upside, So I'm just saying that both are ADPs
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  Speaker 5: will probably go up once Waller makes it official that
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  Speaker 5: he's retiring. The one caveat with Daniel Jones is he's
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  Speaker 5: actually listed as one of the quarterbacks where you could
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  Speaker 5: bet on if he'll actually start Week one. I I
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  Speaker 5: don't even know if there's a controversy, but he's around
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  Speaker 5: like minus four hundred over Drew Lock, So I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I guess there's a chance he might not even be
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  Speaker 5: the starter. But I'm with you, I think that kind
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  Speaker 5: of just is already baked in as ADP. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: he's going around QB thirty and I think, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you can make a case he should be in the
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  Speaker 5: low twenties if he is going to start every game.
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  Speaker 5: But I guess that's the one thing is there might
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  Speaker 5: be some quarterback controversy with him and Drew Locke.
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  Speaker 2: Well, also it's not I think it may be. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: obviously Daniel Jones's job is never going to be secure.
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  Speaker 2: He's Daniel Jones. But he's coming off the torn acl
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  Speaker 2: which he had surgery in late November, so I think
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  Speaker 2: there's an outside chance he's not actually ready to go
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  Speaker 2: in week one, so that would be the issue. But
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  Speaker 2: so I think that also plays into it.
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  Speaker 1: I shouldn't let everybody know we are pre recording this show.
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  Speaker 1: Some of these things might change. I would say ninety
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  Speaker 1: five percent of what we're saying will still be accurate,
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  Speaker 1: but you never know. Some things changed. Don't be a hater, Listen.
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  Speaker 1: There have been a lot of intriguing moves in the offseason.
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  Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins to Atlanta is fascinating. Everything going on with
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  Speaker 1: the Chiefs is wild. You guys are both repping. I
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  Speaker 1: think some of the more intriguing moves that you guys
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  Speaker 1: are ranking at the top of your top five Raybon
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  Speaker 1: I will start with you give me your first, just
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  Speaker 1: your first most intriguing move this offseason.
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  Speaker 2: All right, And I just want to issue a disclaimer,
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  Speaker 2: like Sean and I both didn't take the low hanging
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  Speaker 2: fruit and go with anything the Bears did. So we're
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  Speaker 2: just gonna we know the Bears, like you know, loaded up,
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  Speaker 2: but we're gonna talk about something that I think is
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  Speaker 2: a little more intriguing just because of all the pieces.
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  Speaker 2: It kind of leaves and shuffles, and that's Stefan Diggs
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  Speaker 2: being traded to the Houston Texans. So, first of all,
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  Speaker 2: Nicocollins Tank Dell. Yes, that's a little bit of a
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  Speaker 2: hit to their value. But CJ. Stroud, now he's going
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  Speaker 2: as the QB thirteen in consensus ADP. You know, there's
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  Speaker 2: certain sites you can still get him outside the top
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  Speaker 2: one hundred.
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  Speaker 4: C J.
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  Speaker 2: Stroud had one of the best rookie seasons of all
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  Speaker 2: time last year. Now he's got three All Pro caliber
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  Speaker 2: wide receivers, one of the better receiving tight ends in
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  Speaker 2: the league in Dalton Schultz, somebody. Everyone's going to be
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  Speaker 2: open every play, and this guy is one of the
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  Speaker 2: most accurate, strongest armed, best anticipators that we've seen in
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  Speaker 2: a while. So I just think with all the quarterbacks
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  Speaker 2: this year, the quarterback is kind of loaded, assuming guys
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  Speaker 2: stay healthy. I mean, you got Anthony richardson back, Jordan
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  Speaker 2: Love broke out burrows coming back. So to get a
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  Speaker 2: guy like CJ. Stroud, you know, outside the top six
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  Speaker 2: or seven round, to get him in some cases outside
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  Speaker 2: the top ten or even the top twelve quarterbacks, I
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  Speaker 2: just think that's massive because I mean, he could have
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  Speaker 2: a like he could put he could challenge if Patrick
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  Speaker 2: Mahomes is fifty touchdown season, like, that's how efficient, that's
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  Speaker 2: how good. CJ. Stroud is with uh With Diggs being
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  Speaker 2: added to supporting Caston, Diggs might be the third best
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  Speaker 2: wide receiver on the Houston Texans. So I think all
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  Speaker 2: three of them are worth top twenty five picks, especially
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  Speaker 2: in basketball where you don't have to predict, you know
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  Speaker 2: which weeks they'll go off. But I would say even
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  Speaker 2: like you want to be in Bestball, you want to
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  Speaker 2: be looking at like the Texans number four wide receiver
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  Speaker 2: because like like a Noah Brown, just because if any
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  Speaker 2: one of those guys get hurt, I mean, no, we're sawing.
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  Speaker 2: See Noah Brown put up like one hundred eight yards
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  Speaker 2: a couple of times last year. Like whoever is not
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  Speaker 2: one of those guys is going to be so open
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  Speaker 2: every play as well, just because the defense is going
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  Speaker 2: to pay them no attention. So I just love everything
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  Speaker 2: about this. This Digs moved to the Texans, and then
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  Speaker 2: you know for the Bills, you know they lose not
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  Speaker 2: only Digs, but gave Davis. So that makes Keyon Coleman,
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  Speaker 2: who was drafted by Buffalo early in the draft, a
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  Speaker 2: at wide receiver. That makes him an interesting kind of
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  Speaker 2: dart throw in basketball. You know you don't you know,
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  Speaker 2: even if he starts a little slow and takes some time,
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  Speaker 2: you're fine. And then in redraft he's one of the
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  Speaker 2: few guys that you could get, you know, outside the
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  Speaker 2: top fifty wide receivers that has a legitimate shot to
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  Speaker 2: be his team's you know, number one wide receiver. And
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about Josh Allen's number one wide receiver too.
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  Speaker 2: I think they'll throw a little less like they did
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  Speaker 2: over the second half once they switched to Brady, But
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  Speaker 2: I just think this digs move, it opens up Coleman
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  Speaker 2: in Buffalo, and it makes Stroud a really really strong
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  Speaker 2: pick for a late round quarterback Curner.
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  Speaker 1: Why doesn't anyone feel like there will be the natural
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  Speaker 1: regression in his second year for CJ.
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  Speaker 5: Trap because he's just good and he has a good
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  Speaker 5: supporting cast. I think another interesting thing from last season
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  Speaker 5: is he never had all his receivers healthy at once,
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  Speaker 5: which made it even more impressive what he did. So
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  Speaker 5: now they just have digs there. He can even afford
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  Speaker 5: a guy or two being hurt. So I think just
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  Speaker 5: last year, it was just so impressive what he did
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  Speaker 5: as a rookie that it's hard to really take in
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  Speaker 5: too much regression. I think if anything, he's just going
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  Speaker 5: to get better.
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  Speaker 3: And the number one most injured offensive line, which again
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  Speaker 3: is something that's not talking about where it's like, even
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  Speaker 3: if they keep the guys healthy, right, we always talk
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  Speaker 3: about the injury regression. It's like, that's me a boost
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  Speaker 3: to him. So mean chat doog we wanted to fade
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  Speaker 3: them after the digs meew. Both of us were like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not putting money on there under like that. That's
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  Speaker 3: going to be a high powered team even if he
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  Speaker 3: does regress a little bit. I do agree. It's like
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  Speaker 3: the team has done nothing but support him. Right, They
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  Speaker 3: went out and got pieces to make the team better,
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  Speaker 3: added another running back. So love to start, Sean, we
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  Speaker 3: got to hit you with the number one? What do
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  Speaker 3: you guys? Then I'm gonna guess it's something to do
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  Speaker 3: with your hat.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's let's discuss.
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  Speaker 5: You know, Kirk Cousins going to the Falcons that the
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  Speaker 5: Falcons have just been a frustrating team, to say the
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  Speaker 5: least in terms of Fantasy the past few seasons because
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  Speaker 5: they have you know, a few potential studs in b
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  Speaker 5: Jhon Robinson, Drake London and Kyle Pitts. You know, but
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  Speaker 5: they've all been you know, held back by poor quarterback
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  Speaker 5: play and just a run heavy scheme to overcome it.
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  Speaker 5: You know, head coach Arthur Smith was part of the problem.
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  Speaker 5: So hopefully the new coaching staff under Rahee Morris and
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  Speaker 5: offensive corner Zach Robinson will help. But you know, certainly
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  Speaker 5: adding Kirk Cousins is going to help unlock the fantasy
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  Speaker 5: ceiling of you know, Drake London and Kyle Pitts, but
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  Speaker 5: potentially b Jhon Robinson as well. And you know, it's
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  Speaker 5: also led to some other interesting questions like how will
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  Speaker 5: Justin Jefferson fair without Kirk Cousins. I mean, he's still
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  Speaker 5: arguably the best receiver in the game, but you know,
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  Speaker 5: how good can he be with either Sam Darnold or j. J.
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  Speaker 5: McCarthy under center. And also, you know, the Falcons made
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  Speaker 5: that controversial move by drafting Michael Pennix. I had basically
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  Speaker 5: had him projected to go to the Raiders and play
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  Speaker 5: you know, most of the games there this season, but
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  Speaker 5: now he's stuck behind Kirk Cousins. As long as kirk
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  Speaker 5: Cousins is healthy, you know, Penix isn't gonna play. So
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  Speaker 5: we had one of the better you know, rookie quarterbacks,
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  Speaker 5: you know, stuck behind a veteran this year. So that
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  Speaker 5: kind of put the Raiders in the pinch this year
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  Speaker 5: where they're gonna have to lean on Gardner Minshew and
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  Speaker 5: An O'Connell this year. But the you know, the Kirk
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  Speaker 5: Cousins movie of the Falcons, I think will be you know,
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  Speaker 5: very intriguing for fantasy because we were waiting for a
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  Speaker 5: player like Kyle Pitts to break out. You know, I
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  Speaker 5: think he could be one of the top ten tight
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  Speaker 5: ends this year. And same thing with Drake London. He
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  Speaker 5: was one of my favorite receivers you know, a couple
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  Speaker 5: of years ago. But I think now he's going to
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  Speaker 5: We're going to finally see his potential unlocked.
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  Speaker 4: Here.
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  Speaker 1: Look, the Falcons are setting us up for perennial disappointment.
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  Speaker 1: U so frustrating to watch that team. We loved them
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  Speaker 1: last year. We thought Bijeon would raybound. I think you
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  Speaker 1: had Bijeon before the year began to lead the league
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  Speaker 1: in rushing. Yep, right, I bet that one, and like
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  Speaker 1: it all made perfectly good sense. I'll be very curious
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  Speaker 1: to see how does Kirk Cousins hold up. The clock
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  Speaker 1: is ticking on guys like this. We're going to see
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  Speaker 1: it with Aaron Rodgers, We're going to see it with
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  Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins. How can people who have been consistently good
• 15:31
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  Speaker 2: Is Exavier' Worthy going in round number one to the
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  Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs, the wide receiver out of Texas. In
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  Speaker 2: listen it, we don't know if he's going to pan
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  Speaker 2: out for sure. You know, there's a reason he wasn't
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  Speaker 2: taken in the top ten or whatever, and some people
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  Speaker 2: even thought they may have reached a little. But the
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  Speaker 2: thing I like about this move well, a couple of things.
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  Speaker 2: Number one, a four to twenty one forty essentially the
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  Speaker 2: fastest player ever recorded at the combine. So you're taking
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  Speaker 2: outlier speed at receiver and you're combining it with the
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  Speaker 2: most outlier of outliers at quarterback. And I mean, if
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  Speaker 2: you want to be fair an outlier at head coach
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  Speaker 2: and schemer play call or whatever you want to call
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  Speaker 2: it as well. So I just like that combination. In
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: fantasy you're looking for upside, best ball, redraft or whatever,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: you're still looking for upside regardless. Xavier Worthy's still a
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: guy that's going, you know, outside of the top thirty
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: six receivers in most drafts, so I think the price
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: is right, and then Rashi Rice is just helping his
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: cause because Rashi Rice is almost certainly going to face
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: something type of suspension barring like his legal cases just
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: get held up and the suspension doesn't come till next year.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: But almost certainly he's gonna get a multi game suspension.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Now we're starting to hear whispers that the Chiefs are
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: expecting him to be out for at least half a season. Now,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: remember Rashid Rice. Over the second half of the year,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: he was playing on ninety percent of the snaps and
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: he was catching you know, five six seven balls a game,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: So that's a big loss. It opens up just a
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: lot of potential usage for Worthy, who is the highest
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: wide receiver ever drafted in the Andy Reid ever ever
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: drafted in the Rep Beach era. So that tells you
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: what they think of this guy. And if there's anybody
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: you're gonna pair him with, like, you know, maybe he
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: might not be good on any other team, but Patrick Mahomes,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Andy Reid and some some targets up for grabs because
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: you know, Canarios Tony sky Moore. I think that ship
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: has sailed, So I mean you're really and Charles Kelsey's
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: thirty five. Staun is going to talk about Marquise Brown,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: who's an intriguing but you know outside and that's his
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: first year with the team. There's just a massive opportunity.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: That's what you're looking for in fantasy, you know, opportunity
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: and some talent, and you got both in spades with
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Xavier Worthy.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Well, someone that's own sky more painful, painful. I mean,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: oh my god, you just gave me PTSD saying that name.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: So yeah, this is the hope, right when you draft
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: guys like this, especially in best ball, It's like he
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: could be the d Shawn Jackson type, right, like the
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: one or two catches a game and if one of
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: them breaks, especially the new kick returning right, I mean
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: sometimes I'd love to ask you guys about fantasy at
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: the end, but like that could be a huge deal, right,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: the new rules changing the kickoff, This could be a
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: huge thing in fantasy football. I mean we haven't even
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: talked about that, but like in the old days, I
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: mean people that might be too young to remember it.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, Chad remembers that Devin Hester Bears defense was
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: a game changer in fantasy football and because the guy's
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: a Devin Hester and this is another guy where you've
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: seen him in practice here worthy of returning punts. So yeah,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Chris is dropping a name here people that keep on
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: your radar, like, this is a guy that you know.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: I don't want to be bringing up too much guy
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: and taking them on best ball, but he's a great,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: sneaky pick. I got get a lot of touches. But Sean,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: can you top it? Who's your number two?
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: My number two's Lad McConkie out of Georgia being drafted
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: by the Chargers in the second round. And it was
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: almost exactly a year ago today I was talking about
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: Samuel Porta of the lines in the second round is
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: one of my favorite landing spots. This gives me similar
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: vibes because I was high on mcconkeye going into the
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: draft and then just love the landing spot.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: He gives me Julian Edellin vibes. Where he could line
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: up in the slot, he can line up outside. He
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: has four point three to nine speed, so he could
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: be their top deep threat. But this is a team
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: in the Chargers that just moved on from Keenan Allen,
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: Mike Williams and even Austin Eckler, So that's just a
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: ton of targets available, and you know, I think he's
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: gonna mainly pick up the Keenan Allen targets, which are
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: extremely valuable because there's a ton of them. But again,
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: he could also be a deep threat. And you know
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: he's competing against Josh Palmer, Quentin Johnson, who was a
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: disappointment last year, and DJ Sharks, so there's a very
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: good chance he could be Justin Herbert's number one target
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: as a rookie.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: So this is one of my favorite landing spots from
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: this draft.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: What's interesting about the Chargers is, you know, whatever we've
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: seen from them offensively the past couple of years, they're
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: just going to be so different, Like they are not
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: going to throw the ball downfield with abandon the way
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: they have the past few years. I think they will
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: still find ways to play to Herbert's strengths as a
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: quarterback and what he's really good at, but they're also
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: going to be able to put him in a position
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: to succeed much more frequently in high leverage situations. McConkie
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: is a perfect guy who's an example of what they
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: could do in those situations. I like it. I like
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: it a lot. Raybon, hold on, I gotta set up here.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: I got to set up here.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, you paused, So I was like, all right,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: dead pause.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: You did pause.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: It's trauma, dramatic pause. The first team that I bet
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: for for a future's bet to win the Super Bowl
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: this year, they were I think eighteen to one. Simon
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: and I talked about in the podcast Cincinnati Bengals. There
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: is a move that they made that is your third
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: most intriguing move of the offseason.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like this one because, and let me just.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Say, I'm kidding. I'm kidding this one.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: And it's Zach Moss going from the Colts to the Bengals.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: And remember Joe Mixon got traded to Houston, so Mixon
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: is another guy that will be able to benefit from
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: that loaded Houston offense and all the attention being paid
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: to that passing game. But I want to talk about
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Moss to the Bengals because I think he's a perfect
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: scheme fit to replaced Mixing. And he gave us a
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: glimpse of what he would look like as a feature
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: back weeks two through five last year. If you'll remember,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: averaged over twenty four touches and over one hundred and
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: twenty nine scrimmage yards per game over a four game stretch,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: with a touchdown per game as well on an eighty
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: three percent snap rate. So he's he's been able to,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: you know, after a rough start to his career in Buffalo,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: he's been able to kind of write the ship. He
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: passes the eye test, and you know he's gonna kind
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: of slide into that mixing role. I think Chase Brown
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: will still be there, and he's kind of intriguing as well.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Very explosive guy, but mixing. You know, every year people
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: wanted to write him off in this Bengals offense, and
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: all he does is keep putting up, you know, top
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: fifteen fantasy seasons. And I think Moss has very similar upside.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, Joe Mixon was you know, in some scoring systems,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: he was as high as the RB five last year,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: the RB seven and half PPR. So that's kind of
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: upside Moss has. And you know, you hit on a chat.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: You know, the Bengals they get this last place schedule,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: they get Burrow coming back, you know, they lose one
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: of their receivers in Tyer Boyd, so you know, maybe
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: the running game becomes even even more important. So we
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: know this team is going to move the ball up
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: and down the field. Mixing had twelve touchdowns total last year.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: I think Moss has an outside shot at leading the
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: league in touchdown because we know how good this offense is.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: So I know, I think twelve touchdowns for the Bengals
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: running back it was actually kind of low. So I
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: really like Moss here going to Cincinnati. I think it'll
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: be about a seventy five twenty five or seventy thirty
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: split between him and Brown. You know, Brown is kind
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: of best used as like a change of pace, you know,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: after Moss kind of you know, wears down the defense.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Brown could break one. But I think Moss will be
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: the closer. Mass will be the goal lineback, Moss will
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: be the feature back. So under the radar move of
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Cincinnati signing Zach Moss.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: So I love Cincinnati. I am going to remember that
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: you said I kind of nailed it when we get
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: to convince me and it's the middle of the season
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: and you're just coming after me for god knows whatever
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I say on the show. But I am curious. I'd
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: like Kerner's take on this and Simon's take on this.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Shane Steichen is clearly one of the better offensive head
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: coaches and strategists and schemers in the NFL. What he
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: did with that Colts team last year after Richardson went down,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: after Gardner, Minshew became the quarterback, getting them to be
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: in the position they were, and with a guy like Minshew,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: how much do we think Zach Moss in that window
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: that you're talking about where he did sort of overperform
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: versus his career benefit from being in that kind of system,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: And does that translate to the Bengals coroner give me
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: your take?
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I think I think that's a great point.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: Certainly he benefited from the scheme, but you could just
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: see how well he did compared to Jonathan Taylor, who's
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: still one of the best running backs in the game,
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: and he looked every bit as good as JT. I mean,
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: it was kind of comical how they finally gave JT
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: that big contract and Zach Moss looked like the best
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: running back of the league once that happened. So I
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: think just comparatively, you know, Zach Moss is keeping up
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: with Jonathan Taylor. So even if he did benefit from
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: the scheme, he is a really good back. I mean,
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: it's crazy because he had a slow start in Buffalo,
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: kind of bouncing around, but you know, he was a
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: highly touted back coming out of college. So I just
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: think last year kind of proved that he does kind
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: of have the talent that could translate in a different scheme.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is is where I make my money, Chad,
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: if you don't again, Shawan here Chris, great fantasy expert.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: A lot of guys are kind of full of shit
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: in this industry. You can Pikett spots with these running
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: backs where it's like Raheem Mostert's perfect example. The man
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: was in an incredible opportunity last year. You get him
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: in the ninth round. David Montgomery an incredible opportunity, could
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: get him in the eighth and ninth round. Same thing here.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: This guy could be a bus dude. This guy could
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: get you zero points, or he could be a top
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: five running back. Like that's the upside with these kind
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: of guys. So it's a guy you don't have to
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: grab them in every league you want to own loss
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: in a couple of different leagues. I don't think the Colts.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: I think just showed his athleticism, how good of a
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: skilled player he is. It's all about opportunity with a
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: lot these running backs. A lot of these guys are
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: such great athletes. It's just can they have the opportunity
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: and a good offense of the good offensive line. So
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Moss would get you zero points people, but his upside
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: is really high.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: So definite.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: THK. I've been grabbing a lot of.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Leagues, Simon. Before you asked Croner about his next pick,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to note Kroner also said I made
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: a really good point, and I would like to say
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: right now, very possible. In early February of twenty twenty five,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: the four of us are on the show Convince me
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: we are talking about is their value on Zach Moss
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: to win Super Bowl MVPs when the Bengals are playing
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: the Eagles.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Saying I'm still going to t Higgins at sixty to one.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: There you go me, by the way, Sonny, go.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Ahead, Yeah, I mean steps stay on the running back, Sean,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: who you got for us next?
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: So I'm going with Josh Jacobs going to the Packers.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: You know, Jacobs is coming off a down year, but
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: he's he's still on the tail end of his prime
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: at twenty six, and he's potentially going to be a
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: workhorse back in offense that should continue to trend up
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: this year. But I think the intriguing part of this
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: move is it essentially gave us three teams with the
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: new started running back because now that Jacobs is no
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: longer in Vegas, thirty year back Zamier White will probably
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: be their workhorse back and he was very impressive last
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: season when he was asked to step up. And you know,
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: after the Packers signed Josh Jacobs, they released Aaron Jones,
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: who then ended up in their NFC North rival Minnesota Vikings.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: So he's going to be the Vikings lead back this year,
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: which is going to be interesting for a couple of
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: games when they faced the Packers. But I love this
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: movie because it gave us three new starting running backs
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: for teams. That's always fun to be projecting teams when
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: they have a new started running back, So this move
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: gave us three of them.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I wonder what's going to happen, Like he is just
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: not the same receiver out of the backfield that they've
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: had in the past. I'm curious about this fit as
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: it impacts the overall season for the Packers. Simon and
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I have been talking about that one a lot. Ray
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Bun Number four involves the Washington Commanders.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean last year we saw, you know, it
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: wasn't the number one quarterback who did work in fantasy
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: in real life, it was the number two. And this
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: year that number two pick, Jayden Daniels. I just think
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: he's another guy here who you have to invest in
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: in fantasy because of his rushing upside. Now, you know,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: he could be really bad. He could be justin fields
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: two point zero or something like that and be terrible.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: But in fantasy again, especially when you're picking a quarterback
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: outside the top ten, outside the top twelve, where you
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: can get Daniels in a bunch of drafts. Still, when
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: you're picking a guy late like that at quarterback, you're
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: looking for upside, and Jayden Daniels has the upside to
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: put up similar numbers to a guy like Anthony Richardson,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: who goes as high as the quarterback six quarterback seven
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: in some draft. You know, Jadeen Daniels has the upside
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: because of his rushing to put up more points than
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: a guy like a Jordan Love, who's more of a
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: you know, he runs a little bit, but not you know,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't consider him a scrambling quarterback, you know, guys
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: like that. So I think Jayden Daniels going to a
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: place where, you know, like Camleb Williams, there's all the
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: hype because they drafted Roma doones they wear is like
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: jayde and Daniels is going to a pretty bad team,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: so you know they should have decent passing volume. The
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: receivers are solid. You know, Terry mclaurin's very good. Dotson
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: still has some upside, but you know, you'll know he'll
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: still be scrambling a ton. So and this guy he
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: actually threw the ball. He was a very good passer
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: in school as well. Now will that translate that remains
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: to be seen. But he's also got Austin eckwer low Key,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: you know, a guy who can help him in the
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: receiving game as well. So I just like Jaden Daniels
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: here and the upside that he brings to just another
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: late round quarterback selection. You know, there was a couple
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: of years in there where you kind of had to
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: start drafting quarterbacks a little higher. You know, guys like
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Homes and Hurts and Borough were dominating and Herbert, but
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: now quarterback it's pretty so I think this year I
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: find myself waiting almost every draft at quarterback because you
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: want to take your shots at those received wide receivers
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: and those running backs, and I mean tight end is
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: a nightmare too. So if you're going to spend a
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: premium pick on one of those positions where you only
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: have to start one per week, then I would rather
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: do it at tight end and wait on a quarterback.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: And if I'm getting a guy like CJ. Stroud or
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: a guy like Jayden Daniels, I'll take that upside every time.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: When did you, guys, you just had some aggressive Justin
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Fields violence and for a lot of people, it was
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: down to the wire in the end of the season
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: before the Bears were making a choice of keeping Justin
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Fields or deciding they were going to go for Caleb Williams.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: From your Metrics, Raybond and Kroner, I'm curious, when did
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: you see sort of the most precipitous decline with Justin Fields.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: When was it clear to you, guys, he's not the answer.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: And I think. I don't think Justin Fields necessarily declined.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: I think he started. He actually took a while to
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: get going. If you remember his first few starts, they
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: barely let him throw the ball, and so he was
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: putting up like literally nothing as a passer. And then eventually,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: like I actually thought, he improved over his tenure in Chicago.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: But you know, it's nothing like getting the number one
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: overall pick in Kayo Williams. I do think it's it's
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: kind of it strikes me as odd that Pittsburgh has essentially,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: you know, according to them anyway, decided that Russell Wilson's
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: gonna be their guy. In fields has no chance to
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: win this job. Because I'm not so sure Justin Fields
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: isn't or can't be better than Russell Wilson this year
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: as early as week one, so if he's not better already,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: so I think. But the thing about Fields is, I
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: just think processing. I think he takes too long. I
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: think if you if you want to look at metrics,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: I think it's you know, time to throw. You know,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: that's where he really struggles. He's just not processing as
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: fast as you compare that to a guy like C. J. Stroud,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: who it took him two weeks to get up to speed.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: I think he got sacked like nine times, like Simon
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: talked about after that battle line didn't matter because he
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: can anticipate throws. That's why c J. Stroud is gonna
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: be good and we're not worried about regression. Anticipation. That's
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: what Justin Fields doesn't have, probably will never have. But
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: in fantasy, still plenty, plenty of rushing upside to to
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: land himself in the top ten or even top five
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: most weeks.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Gonan, what about you?
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I agree with Raybond. It's his processing.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: He probably lean on his rushing upside, you know, probably
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: too much, but that was great for fantasy. But also
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: the Bears didn't really set him up for success like
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: they are with Caleb Blows right now. I mean, he
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: was throwing when he was rookies, throwing to Darnell Mooney
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: and the already washed you know, Alan Robinson, Marquise Goodwin,
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: whereas you know Caleb Williams had as DJ Moore, Keenan
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: Allen and Romo Doonese. So I mean they're just setting
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: up Caleb Williams for success a lot early on. So
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: I can't fault fields for all of that, but you know,
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: Gilds is great for fantasy.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: I have no issue with justin fields when it comes
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: with fantasy.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: All right, Crooner, give us your fourth.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: So it's Marquise Brown to the Chiefs. Piggybacking what you
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: know Raybaund said about Xavier Worthy. This is just a
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: great spot anytime you have somebody going to play with
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes, that's that's a huge upgrade. But also, as
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: Raybon mentioned, you know, Rashie Rice is in some pretty
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: significant legal trouble. Who knows if or how many games
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: he will get suspended, but I could see them maybe
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: leaning on Brown early on. You know, I like Xavier
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: Worthy a lot. You know, he has a ton of speed,
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: but his you know, route running, his route tree might
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: be a little bit more simple to start, So I
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: think Brown might be his top receiver to start. So,
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: which is when Rahie Rice will potentially be missed games.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: So I thought markis Brown was a great learning spot
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: for him and for the Chiefs. It does give them
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: insurance in case Rice does get suspended. So similar to
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: what Ravonn was saying, I think, you know, Brown and
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: Worthy to the Chiefs. Was two really intriguing moves this offseason.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: You skipped one, Oh I did Jonathan Brooks to Carolina.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: Oh okay, well I'll talk about that. Yeah, Jonathan Brooks
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: being drafted by the Panthers. You know, he was arguably
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: the top running back in this class, but he suffered
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: an ACL tear in November, so you know, he might
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: not be one hundred percent four week one, but you know,
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: this was a good landing spot. I thought the Cowboys
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: would have been the best landing spot, but this is
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: probably the second one because he's gonna have to compete
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: with Chewba Hubbard and Miles Sanders. So I think once
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: he is fully healthy, he's going to be the lead
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: back here. And again, when I was watching his tape
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: at Texas, I just kept thinking Todd Gurley. He reminds
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: me of Todd Gurley. That's how good I think he
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: could be. So this is an offense that could be
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: better this year. I mean, we picked on the Panthers
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: all last year, but this year, you know, under Dave Canalis,
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: it could be a lot better and Jonathan Brooks could
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: benefit from that and he could help, you know, open
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: things up for Bryce singing as well. But you know,
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: Brooks is one of my favorite running back prospects in
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: this class, and he landed in a pretty solid spot
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: to be a workhorse back.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: You were in such mid season form, Croner, that you
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: transitioned perfectly into Raybond's fifth and final most intriguing move
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: of the offseason.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like Sean alluded to it. With Dave Canalis
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: coming over from Tampa Bay as the offensive coordinator, now
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: he's the head coach in Carolina, obviously going to have
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: his fingerprints all over this offense, and I think that's
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: really important for a couple of reasons. The first is
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Canalis is building up a track record of being a
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: quarterback whisperer. So he's been working with Gino Smith in
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Seattle pretty much Smith's entire tenure there, and he's the
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: one that really receives credit for that massive turnaround that
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Gino had a couple of years ago, and then last year,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: you know, when he got the job in Tampa Bay,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: off the strength of that Gino turnaround, Gino's numbers dropped
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: across the board pretty much. It was subtle, but they
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: did drop. And that's even with you know better receiving
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: core because you had Jackson Smith and Jigba a first
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: round pick, and then he goes to Tampa Bay as
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator and Baker Mayfield has a career year
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: after he's bouncing around. I mean I went to a
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: game out here, and you know, he was playing the
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Raiders with the Rams on like two days. He had
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: just flown in like the day before or something like that.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: He was learning to playbook on a flight. And now
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: he's having a career year weeding the Bucks to a
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: playoff win. Not just a playoffs, but a playoff win
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: over the defending NFC champion. So I think that this guy,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: if anyone's going to turn around Bryce Young and I
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: was way down on the Panthers last year. I mean,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: they were the team that I just could not understand
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: their win total at all. I couldn't understand why anyone
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: was investing anything. And I just thought they set rising
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: up to fail last year. You know, bad offensive line,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: no speed, no just just just a terrible situation. Frank
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Wright one of the worst coaches. Now you got Canalis
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: working with young Deontay Johnson, who's one of the best
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: route runners in the league coming over from Pittsburgh underrated movee.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I like Johnson. I think he could out kick his
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: ADP as usually going around wide receiver, you know, thirty
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: five to forty. I think he could finish in the
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: top fifteen, top twenty, because we saw that with Adam
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Dewen last year. Even on this you know, terrible offense,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Adam Dealen still managed to be a very valuable the
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: ghost of Adam Thavan, I should say, managed to be
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: a very valuable fantasy receiver last year. Deontay Johnson at
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: this he's in his prime. You know. I know it
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: didn't show and Paysburg, but so that I think that's
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: a real positive development. Sean already mentioned Brooks. You revamped
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: the offensive line. You went out and spent you know,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty million dollars on interior lineman. Robert
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Robert Hunt comes over from Miami, and then you got
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Damian Lewis coming over from Seattle. And that's really important
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: for Bryce down because he's short. So interior pressure big
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: problem because their tackles are fine a Quandu and Moton,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: but their interior line was one of the worst we've
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: seen this decade last year. So pretty much everything about
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: the Panthers offense is night and day. You also drafted
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: a rookie, Xavier Laguette, who I think is already better
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: than Jonathan Mingo. So they now have a formidable receiving corps.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: They have some some juice in the backfield. They'll have
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Young protected, and they have a guy that's proven to
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: take guys that we had no hope for and turn
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: these guys into you know, above average starters. And you're
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: looking at Bryce Young, who is a number one overall pick.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: So the talent is there. I think you could see
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: a big turnaround. And that, Simon is why the Giants
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: aren't my favorite, ugly, disgusting, best ball late round stack
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: because you can get Bryce Young outside the top twenty quarterbacks.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Deontay Johnson is their highest drafted receiver. His ADP's like
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: wide receiver thirty five, wide receiver forty. All their other
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: receivers are lower than that. Their tight ends probably aren't
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: gonna be of much consequence. I like Sanders the rookie,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: but you know, rookie tight ends, especially you know in
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: the middle rounds, probably not gonna do much. So I
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: think you could stack Young and his receiver and you know, Johnson,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Thielen and we get and all those guys are easy
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: to draft. You're not really competing with people. Once you
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: get one or two of them, people probably aren't gonna
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: be rushing to draft the other guys. They're gonna leave
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: them for you because no one's stacking the Carolina Panthers.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: So I think it's a low risk, high reward bet
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: that you can make in best ball and then in redraft.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I think people will be I think Johnson will be
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: very consistent, kind of like Dewhen was over the first
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: half of last season before he ran out of gas.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: So three things. One, Adam Thielen might have won us
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: a couple of bets last year in that street where
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: we were betting the Panthers every single week. Two, you've
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: just convinced me we're going to bet the Panthers every
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: single week again. I believe they're five point underdogs and
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: it's the Saints in week one.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Three.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Everything about the Panthers is night and day, except Bryce
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Young is still under six feet tall. Simon your question.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know we all have a guy, right,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: I got a guy who does a lot of research
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: working for fantasy and when he gave me his sheet
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: a month ago. I was shocked to see how different
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: his view of the running back position and just the
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: overall fantasy giz this year. So I love you guys
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: your opinion on it. His one through fifty rankings. His
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: number one is a macaffe. Everyone's got that. His number
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: two is Robinson, the running back for Atlanta, and his
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: number three was Barkley And people right now again Barkley
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: in the middle of the second round to the end
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: of the second round. His whole view is Barkley was
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: going top five, top eight his whole career on the Giants.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Now he's on the Eagles, the best offensive line he's
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: ever had, on one of the best offense he's ever
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: been a part of. And now he's a middle to
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: late round, second round pick. What's the view of Barkley?
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Why is he going outside of the first round? Like,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: why are people not buying in on Barkley on arkably
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: the best offense he'll ever be on in his career?
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Turner you first, maybe just.
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: His touch on upside is limited because anytime they get
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: near the goal line, that's going to be a toush
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: push play. And maybe his receiving upside is limited because
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts tends to scramble, he doesn't check down his
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: running backs. But I agree it is a better situation
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: in terms of efficiency. I mean, he's going to have
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: a really good offensive line compared to what he's used
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: to seeing.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: I have number four.
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: I think you could argue, you know, like Brisall, I
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: love Bresaw, He's my number two back. I think Jonathan
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: Taylor is back in the mix to be a top
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: three back. So I think just that tier, I don't
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: think you go wrong with anybody, but I think when
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: it comes to Barkley, just his upside is limited just
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: in terms of touchdowns and receptions. But he is a
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: guy that hasn't really banked on a ton of touchdowns anyway.
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: I think he's going to see the volume you want
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: and need in a top five back. So I think
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: he has a very high floor. But again, I think
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: his ceiling could be a little bit limited.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Ray Bon, Yeah, I'm higher than consensus on Barkley as well.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: But you know, I don't think you need to spend
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: and that's a lesson that we you know, Sean and
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: I talk about this every year when we do our
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: kind of you know, Fantasy one oh one, Fantasy Flex Pod.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: But just because a guy is ranked in a certain
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: spot doesn't mean you need to draft him there. And
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: I know that might sound confusing to some people, but Okay,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: if Saguon Barkley is going you know, mid l eight
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: second round and you have him ranked top five, you know,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: if you're drafting in the early second round or even
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: you know, early to mid second round, like, you don't
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: have to use your first round pick on him just
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: because he's ranked number five. You can, it's just you're
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: essentially getting two first round picks if you wait. So
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: I am higher. But I do agree with what Sean said.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: I think it's really important to note that scrambling quarterbacks
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: in general are not going to check down to running
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: backs as much. Now Barki, they could still design screens
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: and things for him, but Philadelphia had a real issue
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: picking up the Blitz last year, so I would think
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: that bark we may also have to stay in a
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: block some But at the same time, Philadelphia, you know,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: in one of the best Rothersman, one of the best
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: gms in the you know, in football, he invested heavily
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: in a running back, which you know, a lot of
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: the analytics people kind of look down on and this
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: is not just a you know, investing heavy in a
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: running back. This is a guy who is entering his
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: age twenty seven season and entering his seventh year in
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: the league, and he has had his share of injuries.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: He does have you know, fifteen over fifteen hundred career
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: touches when you include the postseason, so there is somewhere.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: But I think Philadelphia they wouldn't have invested this much
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: if they weren't intending to kind of use him and
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: run him into the ground. Or the offensive line also
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: not as good as it's been. You know, you got
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: the the Kelsey retirement and things like that, but still
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: night and day better than the Giants. So yeah, I'm
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I think I think Barkley is being a little bit undervalued.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: But I kind of agree with Sean said, I think
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: the floor is just very high because you know how
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: they're going to use him. You know, he's gonna get
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: a ton of snaps. He's never averaged, you know, but
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: for his career, he's around like, you know, nineteen twenty
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: touches per game, so he's gonna get a ton of work.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: He'll be fine. I don't think you need to spend
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: a top five pick on him, though. I just take
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: him if i'm early, you know, early second, I'd take
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: him there.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: And some in whispers, just for the fancy heads out there,
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: some whispers that he's been taking snaps in the Toush
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: push position, so we look like Barkley might be taking
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: the Toush push.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: That would change everything.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: I've done enough shows with Simon to know when he
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: says there have been whispers, what he's really saying is
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: I got someone who's basically snapping the ball that Jalen hurts,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: and I'm on the practice field right now.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: To be careful, Seriannis has a lot of crazy shitch
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: so I don't want to go too crazy. But he
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: apparently was the one that's been saying it.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: It makes sense because like Jalen Hurts, you know, you
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: want his long term health. You want him to be
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: healthy long term. So Barkley's like, you're already gonna use
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: him to the wheels fall off anyway, He's already twenty
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: twenty seven, you might as well just use him on
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: some pushes.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I cannot believe that Saquon Barkley is already in
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: his seventh year.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you said that, Like literally my stomach drop over.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like I feel like he just started playing yesterday.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I like that we started the show with a lot
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: of Giants love and Ray Bond and back to back
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: segments just lays it on Thick that he likes the
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Panthers more is his ugly team than the Giants, and
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: then talked about how bad the Giants are compared to
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: the Eagles Nick Seriani. When Giants fans are going after
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: him and trash tracking him, he ends it by saying,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: we've got your best player. I think that's going to
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: be a really fun rivalry this year. And if there
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: is going to be a Saquon Tush push boy, that's
• 48:34
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