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Some Words Build, Some Words Break · The Hearing God Podcast

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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Hearing God Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm Anthony Moore.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm Dan Lamus.
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  SPEAKER_01: For over a decade, Anthony and I have been diving deep into weekly conversations about the prophetic, the mystical, and the matters of the heart.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we invite you into these weekly conversations.
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  SPEAKER_00: We hope you feel like an honored guest at our table.
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  SPEAKER_01: So pull up a chair, settle in, and let's get started.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, here we are.
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  SPEAKER_01: Here we are.
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  SPEAKER_01: How's it going?
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  SPEAKER_01: How's it going, Dan?
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey, you know, it's uh what do people say around here?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's going.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's going.
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  SPEAKER_01: I never know what to do with that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, how's it going?
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's going.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh, sorry.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have this weird, I have this weird thing because just the way I'm wired, I I cringe oftentimes at like quick, like, because when you say how's it going, you know, the greeting, how's it going?
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't really, you don't really want to know how's it going.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's no.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or like, how are you doing?
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  SPEAKER_00: or anything like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't I kind of cringe at that because it's it's a little too fake for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: What's what's the other one?
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh there was one that I don't hear as much now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: It seemed like years ago I hear heard it more.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was, what's going on?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the first, the first couple of times, well, the first time someone said that to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I literally had no idea.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was just one of those quick, hey.
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  SPEAKER_01: It like like that's all they were saying was hey, I actually thought they wanted to know what was going on.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I remember feeling like, oh, unloading.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't I'm not prepared to answer this question.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they looked at me like, what's the matter with you?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I thought, well, you asked me what's going on.
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  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I should have something to tell you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, so yeah, how's it going?
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's going well.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm doing good.
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  SPEAKER_01: I um, you know, uh, I uh I wanted to just I was thinking as we were starting the podcast that it'd be cool or this recording, I thought it'd be cool to just say God really met me in a pretty neat place this morning.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was trying to, you know, get up out of bed and come and have my prayer time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I try to I like to do that in the mornings.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um and uh I just found I found myself just in some frustration and just kind of there with God.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I and I just discovered this thing of saying, God, I just want to invite you into my deepest longings.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I just my deepest longings need your company, if that makes sense.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I and it it's one of those uh, you know, one of those prayers you pray kind of in some angst, but then you're glad you prayed it.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because like, oh, that is if you and like as you answer that, God, I love that.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, my deepest longings, and I I kept wanting to say, I give my deepest longings to you, and I felt kind of felt like my spirit and the Holy Spirit, maybe were just saying, why don't you rephrase that question or invitation?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I said, Okay, so instead of I'm gonna give you my deepest longings, I said, Jesus, I invite you into my deepest longings.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like because we have them, and somehow somehow in the middle of that, I was all set to deny that my deepest longings mean something.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: I was all ready to give them over, like, here, take these guys, they're stupid.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was like the Holy Spirit was like, Well, why don't you ask me a different question?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because they are yours, they're like they actually belong to you, yeah.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and and the Lord probably isn't interested in taking them from you, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exactly, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: He's just more interested in being the satisfaction for them.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there you go.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was so I was like, oh, well, thank you for unlocking that question for me, God.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I you please come in.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want you in my deepest longings.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so that kind of part of the answer of how how is it going for me is that oh, thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just I needed to it needed to just invite him in.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, okay, so I invite him in.
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  SPEAKER_00: I had this mo I had this moment the other day.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um I had this cool moment with the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um the other day where I was actually, uh I don't even know.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: It was just kind of um, I can't remember the exact situation, but I was I had kind of like I was just like thank it was here's how it started.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: It was like, thank you, Lord, that you're going to guide me to the place that I should be.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then the I think it was like the second or third sort of prayer in that vein was thank you, Lord, that you delight in being my like in providing for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that like that really, really hit me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like it was like in a moment, I just felt like the the joy that the Lord experiences.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, it's like because we just you know, there's lots of times when we feel pretty good, we're glad to help.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: There's lots of times where we feel inconvenienced about you know this thing or that thing, or being obligated to to help people in certain situations, like moving or whatever.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: But but I mean again, there's lots of times where we can give encouragement where we just are just take a great deal of pleasure from it.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: But like that thought of like, okay, the Lord delights in providing for us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I think that's I'm pretty sure that's somewhere in Jeremiah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like God takes delight in providing for his people, and so just the the joy, like there's a you know, God being a God of infinite resource, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: That he's that and us being, you know, humanity being a people of probably more finite resource than we care to admit.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, just in that place of like the Lord's well said, yeah, well said, yeah, and then we care to admit, but it was just that spot of like like just I guess me and the Lord saying, God, I need you in a in a in a semi-serious kind of way.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like it wasn't like profoundly like life altering, but it was just like something that I needed.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it was just that his delight was going to like it was his delight was to provide for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so it just yeah, just was like really taken with that really, really just was like, oh yeah, God, I forget.
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  SPEAKER_00: I forget often that you enjoy helping me.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because I don't agree, I don't, it's just the thing that I don't I don't enjoy, you know, that it pulls me into an uncomfortable place oftentimes, like helping people with various things.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: I don't enjoy being in need, yeah.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, like I I don't I don't mind being around people who are in need because then I can engage or not.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: But when you're when I'm the one in need, I don't enjoy that.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: But gratefully gratefully, God and frankly, people enjoy helping us, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah anyway, so yeah, I that I do that's good.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's fun on a bunch of different levels.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's it's fun for anybody listening, it's fun just the adventure of learning, the ongoing adventure of learning to pray.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, like uh, you know, you're you're when you were describing that whole, you know, thank you, God, that you're going to do this, and thank you, and and I'm so I'm so glad that you enjoy helping me, that kind of thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's not it's almost as if I could picture you turning in that moment and and and looking over at Jesus' face and pleasantly discovering he's smiling when you thought he might be like, okay, what's your problem now?
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, and instead what you see is a big grin on his face, like just waiting for you to ask, man.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like excited, excited to jump in.
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  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that's good.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is fun having that vision of Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's that's super good.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, glad we could touch on that this morning.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm gonna read.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh we get into the meat of our conversation this morning.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna read something from for you, and I'm not even gonna tell you because you're gonna know exactly where it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh I'll tell you afterwards.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but and then I think we can use this as our our launching point for our conversation today.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh sounds good.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, here we go.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because you're gonna know instantaneously.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh then the Lord put out his hand and touched my mouth.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the Lord said to me, Behold, I have put my words in your mouth.
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  SPEAKER_00: See, I have set you this day over nations, over kingdoms, to pluck up, to break down, to destroy, to overthrow, to build, and to plant.
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  SPEAKER_00: There we go.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so uh so you know where that's from.
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  SPEAKER_00: I do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jeremiah 1.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I thought it would be great to just dig into this a little bit, right?
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: In terms of like how even though this is sort of an old covenant, you know, prophetic, which is true, and it had its function in, you know, in a specific function you could see throughout Jeremiah's life, right, and in an old covenant sort of way.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it very much has uh new covenant and modern day implications, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it talks about ruling and reigning in with Christ.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I've set you over nations and kingdoms to pluck up and break down.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now it may not be, now it may or may not be.
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  SPEAKER_00: I won't say this, you know, it I won't throw limitations on what this might be, but there is um, you know, prophetic ministry, like we we we can be dealing with sort of like you know, institutional things or things that we can we can uh you know see with our own eyes, or we can be dealing with like the prophetic voice serves to pluck up and to break down.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are things that the word of God flowing through his people pluck up and break down, and then to destroy and overthrow, and then to build and to plant.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought maybe we could just say like just get some get some of your initial thoughts on on how that would sort of uh impact the modern day new covenant, like the the day, the days we live in.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how does that how does that hit you?
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  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and thank you.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: You're welcome.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh this is that what a gift.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's that's so great.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Jeremiah chapter one.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, I I have found over some years of coming back to that encounter very, very often, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um that I I do personally see connections between that appointing and commissioning of Jeremiah.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_01: I see similarities to the Great Commission.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like going into all nations, make disciples of every nation.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there's different versions of that in each gospel, and for Luke, it's actually in Acts.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh because Luke wrote the book of Acts as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: But every gospel has some version of go and make disciples.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I I'm not sure which one of the gospels says, make disciples of every nation, baptizing them, teaching them to obey everything I've taught you, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I see a connection between what what God appoints Jeremiah to as a prophet to the nations.
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  SPEAKER_01: I see the church is then commissioned to be a prophet to the nations.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I do see a connection between the Great Commission and making disciples, teaching them everything that I've taught you from Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_01: Another version of that, in my sort of imagination, is destroy, uproot, tear down, build, plant.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like all of that is making making a disciple of a territorial region.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: All of that stuff's gonna have to happen for and for the kingdom to actually flourish.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it puts all like those the the the terms in there that seem destructive actually are onto releasing the kingdom.
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  SPEAKER_00: It kind of like flow, there's a natural flow.
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  SPEAKER_00: It starts with the authority, right?
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm set you this day over nations, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, and again, from a new covenant perspective, like we know that in Christ we're seated with him in heavenly places, right?
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and we know where he is, uh, heavenly places.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but also it so it begins with the authority and then it and it then it goes to pluck up to break down to destroy, overthrow, and then it goes to build up to the plan.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: So right, so it's like almost a displacing of what was so that what you know the so the godly thing can come, that the earthly or maybe even demonic thing can be torn down or plucked up so that yes, so that the godly thing can can be built to the plant.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it just seems like a very much a an early, like centuries earlier uh commissioning and appointing to just kind of even open open the the windows a bit on what is the like Jeremiah's appointment and calling is really becomes the church, like Jesus calling and appointment, and then he says, All authority's been given to me in the Great Commission.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so go and do this.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: And if he's telling you to go and do it, then you have full permission to in the over nations.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like this is like in the name of the kingdom, like you can go in and actually have full permission to establish the kingdom, whatever it takes.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, anyway.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: This is good.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think you know, I I would say that oftentimes, and again, I can't remember.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe we've talked about this a little bit, and it's worth talking about again because I it's more just the authority that we have in Christ.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and to me, that's where it begins.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, you know, I've had moments in my life where it's been, you know, it seems evident to me, right?
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like uh sometimes how things go for me can actually depend on whose authority I'm operating in.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: It can frame what I what I think, it can frame what I do, how much I believe that, you know, that I have authority in Christ to do the things, do the kingdom things that he has commissioned me me to do.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, I for whatever reason, I I just like I don't even know where this is gonna go, but I think it's worth starting at the beginning in the fact that like we're not standing in our when we pray and when we prophesy, we're not standing in our own authority.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because if we were, it wouldn't do much.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like I might, yeah, yeah, I can barely like, you know, get somebody, yeah, somebody to it's only gonna go as far as your human capabilities can take it.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and so this is not what we're talking about.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is actually like we believe as Christians that we are in Christ and which is the reality that we live in, and that He's given us authority to go and make disciples of nations.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and in essence, like to cast out demons, to raise, you know, to raise the dead, to cleanse the leopard, those kinds of things are within our scope of things that we do as as followers of Jesus.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, I forget that a lot, right?
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: I can I can pray, I can pray like needy prayers, uh, which aren't bad.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: They're just at times they, I mean, again, there's times when that's all you pray.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: But in for the mature believer, I think there are times and seasons where God is is, you know, when you're looking at a mountain, that's what we call a mountain or an obstacle in the way of the kingdom of God advancing.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: There are times where God is looking for us to take authority over that thing and tell it to move.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's actually that's actually modeled biblically, number one, by Jesus, but also we can see it, uh, we can see it modeled by the apostles.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, when they ran into different situations, right?
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: Whether that person was sick or dead or demon-possessed, those kinds of things we can model we can see the authority that they have stepped into, right?
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, uh, Peter and John when in the temple, like silver and gold, I don't have, but in the name of Jesus, get up and walk.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: So they they they did what they saw Jesus doing, right?
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: They modeled a certain way of doing things.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: But it was because that God gave them authority.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, that's right, right, that anything, anything happened on the other side of that, those words, right?
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so here's because I think this is kind of what I want to get to, is that I think God is looking for us to make declarations and issue commands in his authority as opposed to making requests.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, right.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, right.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so, like, so that's I think that's the first first thing I I just you know, and I find myself, and this again, it's not something that I do, I'm not like an expert at this, right?
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I have to be reminded of as much as anybody else, but it is an interesting thing that the believer, because I think it's a little underrepresented underrepresented in the life of a believer, right?
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: That oftentimes we we invite God to move.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: We and and there is an authority, right?
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like, okay, so we're here on the earth, we're inviting God to move, right?
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: But there is a command that we can issue to dark things, yeah.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: So whether that's sickness or whether that's dysfunction or you know, uh, you know, provision or something that's coming against that, all kinds of things.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: So I just wow maybe get your two cents on that.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's oh wow.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's just kind of blowing my mind because what you read to us, the first behold was I have put my words in your mouth.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I've appointed you like it.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: I've put my words in your mouth.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and and for for I didn't realize this about the that chapter one of Jeremiah until quite a few years into my infatuation.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's probably not the right word.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: My love for oh, you can be in you can be in.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think I was infatuated at first.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's grown.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: I've fallen in love.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's growing.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um but I didn't realize that that chapter one of Jeremiah can be seen as like an overview of his life, yeah, in a sense.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like by the time you get to the end of the chapter, God's talking about I've made you a bronze wall and like this force that's gonna stand against rulers and kings, and they won't be able to defeat you.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: But it's but really, I didn't realize that probably God wasn't saying that to him as a young youngster.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like at the beginning of the chapter, Jeremiah is saying, I'm too young to do these things.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and God's that's when God's saying, Don't say you're too young.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm telling you, I'm putting my words in your mouth.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so the end of the chapter is more like a necessary.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because there's a lot of time that transpires in the book of Jeremiah.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: And so it seems like chapter one is like an overview, and then the then the book unfolds.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: This is how it kind of played out.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, it's very intriguing chapter just that even that first chapter.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: But I really love that it came out of a very human objection.
• 21:36
  unknown: Right.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm too.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm I got limitations.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm pointing you over nations.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I'm too young.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, what are you doing?
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: And and God's saying, don't say the thing you're gonna say.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: That that's the way I've interpreted it.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like that thing I'm liable to say and my authority, yeah.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: I can't do that thing.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I love how God links it, even though, sure, there have been a lot people have run off lots of rabbit trails over this, but there's definitely that dynamic throughout scripture.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you have to trust my word.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've given you this thing to say.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: If you will go and say that, watch what happens.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: And right, yeah.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: Because here's the here's the crux of the issue.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's not, you know, Dan or Anthony getting a half crazy idea and then just running off and doing their own thing.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: God's gonna follow me with his grace and anointing.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it is a like you know in the in an act of obedience, we're gonna do an audite on an audacious thing.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and stand up and declare what God has you know has given to us.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, and I think so.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: The declaration, yeah, exactly.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's the declaration.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: And so, right, and so this is the thing, because I because I I because I really do believe, and again, this is not something that we necessarily live perfectly, but I do believe that God has a word for us every season, right?
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: Every situation, there is the word of the Lord because it's because he has something for us all the time.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and so and I think that this is the thing, this is the thing that I think I want to say, because this is certainly up there in my list of things that we don't talk about as believers.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: Agreed.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, is is there are times or there is opportunity in every season that we're in to make a declaration as opposed to making a request.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: Stand in this situation, stand in the situation, making this declaration right that I will not, yeah, you know, this or this is this is the word of the Lord that we hear from him.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: Not bec or, you know, again, it could be quoting scripture.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: But because I think I I don't know if I've told this before, but this is the this is the one I I read this in a book called The Believers Authority by Kenneth Hagen.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it has this is this story has stuck with me.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I think this was either a I think this was a dream, if I'm not mistaken, that Kenneth Hagen, he was an old, he was an old Pentecostal.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: From the probably from the he was really in his heyday in the 50s and 60s.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think he died sometime in the 90s.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: But his the story in this believer's authority is this is this dream that he had where he was in a room uh and he was talking to Jesus.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: And uh what happened was is there was this sort of demonic thing that sort of rose up and it was clouding his, you know, it came in between him and Jesus as they were talking.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it was it got to the point where you know Jesus was talking and he couldn't hear what Jesus was saying.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, this continued for a little while until, you know, uh and Kenneth had this thought, like, why isn't Jesus knows this is happening?
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: Why, why isn't he doing anything about this?
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: Right, and then he has this um sort of revelation in the middle of the dream.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, this is something that I need to to deal with.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, right?
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: So if Jesus isn't doing something about it, right?
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: He's looking for right, I'm supposed to.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: And so then he says, you know, in the name of Jesus, get at get out of here, essentially.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: And then the thing looks like it just got like, you know, like a like a beat dog or something like that, like it just got slapped and then it went away.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: And then him and Jesus continued on with their conversation.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: But that picture has always stayed with me because you know, and it and it is like we've said this, you know, that we've said this before for sure, even semi-recently, that you know how often we look for God to do something when he's looking for us to do something.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: And and again, like we make, you know, there are times I think, and I'm and not even I think, that I believe there are times in our lives when we make requests or we're saying God do this when he's looking us at us and saying, No, I want you to take the authority, stand in the authority that I've given you.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and you know, tell something to move or make a declaration, yeah, or get up and do something, right?
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: So I think in that in that way, there is this element of of the believer's authority.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I think I mean the Holy Spirit is good and he's kind and he's faithful in all of these situations, but I think this is the standard, right?
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: That we need to look to.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: We we we definitely need to look to to say this is our place in Christ, seated in Christ with Christ in heavenly places.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, so that and again, I don't want to belabor this because I think we can we can move on because I just but I just think it's worth starting to at the beginning and identifying the fact that Jesus has given us authority, yeah, and we are in Christ, Christ is in us, we are operating in the mandate that he has given us.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: Can we can we say that we we as a as a community of Jesus followers?
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: Let's just say we everywhere in the world, we as a community of Jesus followers, the church, yeah, we all hesitate to make these declarations because we get looking at ourselves, and we need a work of grace to walk in the habit of life of making declarations.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm in this situation, it's not going the way it's supposed to be going.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna remember, I can make a declaration here.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like that we need a work of grace to wake us up to that.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: This doesn't come easy to anybody, like it's it's just good to own it.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like this is a growth in grace.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: Don't just write off the idea of oh, those people who make declarations drive me crazy.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like, don't feel like you can afford to shrug it off and write it off like that.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: Regardless of any hang up somebody has, this is an invitation for every believer to step into hey, when you make declarations one way or the other, it makes a difference.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're planting seeds, you are agree, you are cultivating what's gonna happen next.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: You are moving mountains or not.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: Because I personally feel like God is not bound by my time clock.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like if I if I am unwilling to tell that mountain to move, yeah, well, it's gonna sit there until I'm ready to tell it to move.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: Or God's gonna bring somebody else along and move the same mountain with their words, and I'll be like, How'd you do that?
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: And they're gonna go, Well, I told it to move.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll be like, Wow, I could have done that.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: Right, because there's right, because that's the command I was I was going there as well in Mark 11, where God where Jesus is saying, like, if you have a faith the size of a mustard seed, then you can speak to this mountain.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, say be uprooted and cast into the sea.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: Amazing, what an amazing saying, right?
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like, like there are times when Jesus is looking for us to speak to the mountain, yeah.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: Right, absolutely not and not and not in a nice way either.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: Dear mountain, would you please move?
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_00: Get out of the way, get out of the way.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, right.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so anyway, we can move on like that because I think because I think there's a again, yeah.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: Speaking of the mountain, like even it in the area of like to pluck up.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: So the the next part, like I've given you authority, uh, I've set you over nations and kingdoms.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: And then it's like to pluck up, like to uproot.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_00: And we've talked about this a little bit with lies and things like to break down, to destroy and overthrow.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought, like, you know, one of the things that just occurred to me as we do this, like every believer, whether or not, and especially for those, I mean, who are not pastors, right?
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you're in business, if you're at work, you're a stay-at-home mom, you know, there are seasons and situations in your life where you're facing mountains, right?
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: Are coming against God's good purposes in in your life, right?
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're, you know, if you're in in uh you know, in in a place of business and there's a business deal that, you know, looks like, you know, this is a thing that you've been working towards.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: And God's, you know, it looks like it's going either it's it's either going, I don't, I don't, I don't want to say it's either going poorly or it's going in a way that isn't uh for life and flourishing.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: Or kingdom, or could be, or it could be just your job in general.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like, or it could be a situation in the home, you know, when you're uh you know, if you're stay-at-home mom and your kids are being, you know, acting in a certain way that is like like you can actually you know take authority over that and not be sort of like the victim to that.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right, right.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: You and your household may be experiencing bad fruit of bitterness, right, anger, yes, outbursts, like or sickness even.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: And you're like, okay, this is not supposed to be.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so I would say, like, in every in every aspect of society, right, for the believer, right?
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: This could be, this could be in business.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: It could be in, you know, uh, gosh, I don't know where where I'm thinking in government or those kinds of things.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like that as the believer, as we pray and as we declare, because again, God's kingdom is is advancing.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: And God's kingdom, dare I say, God wants his kingdom to advance in any and every aspect of our world, right?
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: So until like otherwise, we wouldn't pray on earth as it is in heaven.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, absolutely.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: Otherwise, we'd say in in my family as it is in heaven, and we just leave it at that.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's right.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: So get us to heaven as quick as possible.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: So, so we have to believe that whatever what whoever's listening to this, whether you're in business, whether you're at home, whether you're uh you have a job and you're working in IT, or whether you're a you know, a policeman or a real estate agent.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: Real estate agent, there are yeah, there is a way that God's kingdom wants to flow through you to touch the world around you.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: So that the world around you looks like heaven.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so, so this is, I mean, again, like if we tried to list it all, we would just be here all day.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: But in principle and in theme, there are elements to this, like in partnership.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like almost like, okay, so yeah, real estate, right?
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, okay, I'm in situations that are difficult.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe I got a family who has a limited budget and there's no homes for them, right?
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: So I can on their behalf be like saying, God, make a way.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: We just declare over the real estate market that there would be, there would be like, God, you know this family, you want to bless this family.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: So we just declare like an opening, yeah, a home, a provision, not just a house, but a home.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: Those kinds of things.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like, so so you know, again, feel free to interrupt me, but I'm just I'm just saying, like, it doesn't matter what you do, there is a way that God wants the kingdom to advance.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's right.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: Agreed.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: Agreed.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: And it really comes, it comes through the word of the Lord.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it comes in that way.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: It isn't, it isn't necessarily what you make up, it is what like through connection, through conversation, through intimacy with the Lord that He gives you.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: So go get the the uprooting, yeah, the overthrowing and the destroying is part of the renovation work of God.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like these are not acts of aggression in the sense of angry, bitter aggression.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: This is this is the move of the kingdom to uproot things that are producing bad fruit.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know, to overthrow things that are actually obstacles in the way of you and others, right?
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like seeing the kingdom for what it really is, you know, every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, you know.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: Paul says in Corinthians, you know, like we tear down strongholds.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like these images are overthrowing images.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and destroying is just like to never return.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like we get rid of this lie, oftentimes when we pray with people.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: This lie, everything that's associated, everything that every way this uh affected this person's thinking, shaped their thinking.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that has to go right now in Jesus' name to not return.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, people are so glad to hear that in their hearts.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: They're so glad to hear that thing's going and it's never allowed to return.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's outside my house now.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: It may be in the neighborhood, but it's out of my house.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I can keep it out of my house.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like that kind of thing.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um that coming as we declare words, you know, from our very mouth, yeah, that's so powerful.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's uh, it's just such um, and it is the authority of Jesus' name.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um like in his Jesus has given us his name, and so we have this permission, and there's power in that name.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: We can release, we can command that power because of our relationship with him.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah um that that actually, where was I gonna go with that?
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: So the uprooting, like what I one of the dynamics I love about the kingdom is that it is ready to move and flow and flourish, but things do need to be removed.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and that things do need to be overthrown.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and we get to cooperate with God in that.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: And it is, and it it it does have a I mean, it just makes so much sense in scripture, you know, the word like Jesus was so clear, the words we speak come out of our mouth, yeah, or come out of our heart.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's what come out of the way.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: The abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: Mouth speaks, yeah.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's what comes out of a man that that that makes him makes that's evil.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's not what goes in.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's this thing of like, yeah, like out of the out of the abundance of the heart, the mouse speaks.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like that dynamic is such a real thing and how God has created us.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um it is so worth investing in your own your own competency with God to do that.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like to to take his take his invitation to speak these things over yourself.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, this is really cracking me up because um this is me being hilariously in laughter.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: So my death this is great.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: My my uh sometimes my uh steadiness doesn't really reflect how much it's cracking me up.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm literally not sitting here laughing hysterically, but it does, it does pleasantly surprise me, or or it's a fun thought to to realize that literally Sunday night when we had our our prayer ministry, our prophetic ministry team together for a night of uh of just encouraging one another, edifying, and exhorting one another.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: And you led us in a prophetic exercise.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: And it came down to the end of the group, and I hadn't gone yet.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: I hadn't been no one in the room had given me a prophetic word, and I hadn't had a chance to give the prophetic word the Lord had given me to anybody.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I was the only one left in the room.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so you said, Well, Dan, you're gonna prophesy over yourself.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: It was so fun because uh it was the Joshua 1-9, yeah, and it was Colossians 1-9.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: My and and I needed those words myself.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: And it was really fun to turn around and prophesy them to myself.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I came away from that night.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: I went into the rest of my evening and then my day Monday and realized, you know what?
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: I needed to prophesy over myself.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I just wanted to throw it in here in our conversation that that if you want to learn how to, you know, uproot, tear down, destroy, build and plant, start with your inner world, like your light.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, just work with you before you worry about anybody like bringing a word to change the world around you.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like pay it, like, go ahead and get into the habit of prophesying to your inner space.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: I sorry, this is a little bit of an aside, but like I have been in rooms where that has been like, I think that's the third, for sure, the third, possibly the fourth time where you know, through an exercise like that, a person has ended up like unknowingly prophesying over themselves.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: And like a hundred percent of the time, it was the word they needed to hear.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: And it was like, I just was like, oh my, this is like I get such a like a kick out of it.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, absolutely.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: So just as an encouragement, if you're looking for a place to start on making declarations, work on your inner world.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's an intricate, yeah, interesting world within yourself that you can prophesy over.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: So because you can again, like you can declare things, like it matters, like, and we, you know, uh, we use this word, this, this phrase, like words create worlds.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: And and so it's like, okay, what do you what do you mean by that?
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: It just means that like especially like like as we as we you know speak the word of the Lord, like change happens, right?
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_00: So right, and again, we can get like I think we need to mill to the or move to the build and the plant.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: But as we as we declare things, right, we because I will say this, like, you know, again, we're all like our we all, I think, tech have tendencies to be our own worst critic, right?
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_00: But the problem with that, you know, oh especially over a lifetime, is that when we speak to ourselves in a certain way, you know, you're we degrade ourselves like you're an idiot, or how could you do that?
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: Or you're so dumb.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_00: So lazy, you know, and just in frustration and anger, yeah, right.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like we so in a way, in speaking those things over our lives, we are planting bad seeds.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I I would I didn't even say like in a way, we are definitely we are objectively planting bad seeds in the garden of our own lives.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: That need that that in turn, if God's going to uh do you know his good work in us and through us, those things need to be uprooted.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: So that we need to like we need to shift how we speak over ourselves.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: We need to actually uh hear the word of the Lord and speak it even over ourselves, yes, right, so that those things can be uprooted.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like they just go away.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's right.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like they just go away, yeah, because they get planted and then they bear those, especially those curses that we, you know, that we declare over ourselves, yeah, they get they get planted, yeah, and they bear fruit.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, right.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: So and the fruit is bad.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: So so there, so I think that you know, in terms of like just being aware of like the words that we speak, especially to our kids, you know, you know, to our, you know, to our spouses, to our family members, to the people around us, the words that we speak, you know, blessings and curses, the power of life and death is in the tongue.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_00: To to recognize that the words that we speak actually have power.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, the biblical imagery about that is that, okay, so my words can drop seeds in your heart, especially if it's like a curse or something out of like something released out of anger or frustration.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: And that that needs a the better word of the Lord, whether that's you know, forgiveness, you know, go repentance, right?
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_00: Me going to a brother and saying, I said that thing, I was wrong, that's not true.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: The you know, you are not, this is not who you are, right?
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_00: Those those kinds of things like because we need the the good, we need the good seed to be planted in our own heart and the people around us.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: This this has become a practice and a habit in my life over some decades to the place where I feel even I feel a cringe even in my physical body when I hear another Jesus follower make make a declarative statement about someone else, they will never change.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: Right, they will always be that way.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_01: They are fill in the blank, bitter, angry, resentful, narcissistic, whatever the word is, and they will never change.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_01: I I feel like a cringe in my body over that because I'm like, you you are a child of God with authority and it it would it would make it would cause that it would cause you, my friend, to r fall down in humility before the Lord if he turned to you and said, I really wanted to work in that person's life.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but your declaration over them kept hindering it.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: And like I I cringe, not not in, oh my soul, you are like it.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's not a judge, it's not a judging thing.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's a cringing over the reality of the power of our words.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yes, I've just learned to be so careful with God's help to not make declarations that I'm gonna regret later.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like over situations that I love to see change.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if I'm praying for a thing to change, I need to be careful not to declare it's never gonna change.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, like even if it feels like an honest expression of emotionally what's going on with me, I need to be aware.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_01: Don't say like God had to coach Jeremiah.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, don't say that.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_01: You need to say the thing I'm putting in your mouth.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like if I'm telling you this is the whatever point you to do, don't be talking about how you're not gonna be able to do that because of this or that.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm telling you, do not say that.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like commanding.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I I kind of have to laugh at uh, at least in the new international version, here's the conversation.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I have to laugh at this.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_01: It goes, okay, so this wonderful word from the Lord came to Jeremiah.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: Before you were born, I set you apart.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_01: I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_01: I love this.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: Alas, sovereign lord.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Alas.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: Do not I do not know how to speak.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: I am too young.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_01: And it just, I'm like, I'm laughing because it's true and it's real.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_01: How many times have I said I am alas, sovereign lord?
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: I am I disagree with you.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: I am vastly with all due respect unqualified for the thing that you've asked me to do.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: With all due respect, sovereign lord, I know what I'm talking about.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yes, like, oh my soul.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's it right there.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my soul.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like, with all the angels looking on, and with with any demonic forces looking on, here I am, and the sovereign lord is there with me.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: And the sovereign lord is saying, I've known you before you were even born, dude.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: And here's what I've here's what I've known about you all along.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's all well and good, sovereign lord.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_01: With all due respect, I disagree.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's wild.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if if like uh the reason why I even bring that up, Anthony, is rarely, if ever, will we stop in the heat of the moment and recognize this.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, agree.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_01: But it really, it really does come back to the authority we have in Jesus' name actually only unlocks God's original design for you and me.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's not like, again, it's not like God found us wandering in a forest somewhere and said, Oh, look at this.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's a human.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder what they could do for us.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like, no, he knew you before you were born.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_01: You taking on this habit of building, planting, like all the things we've discussed from Jeremiah of doing with declarations of God's words.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_01: This really flows out of who God has always known you to be anyway.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_01: He's awakened you in Christ.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: So and this is every believer.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: And this is a great argument to drop your hang-ups.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like instead of ah, sovereign Lord, I disagree with you.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's wow, God, show me why I'm why I have an objection in myself.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_01: If he says, go and speak to this thing and it will move.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: Go speak this, and you will actually be building into the future.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_01: You will be planting, flourishing, like you won't believe.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_01: If you will just speak that word.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_01: If we go, uh, yeah, I could do that if I was one of those people.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's I this is such a good conversation.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_00: I think uh just I think the last thing um just to throw out there is that sometimes order matters, right?
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like the sequence of things matter, right?
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_00: Right, wow, yeah.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that we can um, you know, it's like that that I don't know, I the flow of that right.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like yeah, absolutely.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_00: I think I think things things have to be uprooted.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: Some things have to be uprooted before some things get planted.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, right.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, especially if it's I mean, again, this whole thing that even what you're talking about, and even just stepping into authority, like maybe there is a repenting required of not stepping into, like, not believing the authority that God's given me, the lie that I don't have authority in Christ.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe that needs to be uprooted before we step into the authority that God's given us.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, or at least acknowledging that I've been living not in the way that God wants me to live.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_00: And so I just I wonder, I wonder, sort of here as we just land land the plane.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I and I say this too because this is good, this is good.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_00: This is a good one.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good conversation.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because I think I think I just as we you know, in light of what we've been reading, the you know, the authority piece, the ruling and reigning, like there has to be, I mean, again, like we don't think about it in these ways.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of times believers off often live live, you know, with the boot of the enemy on their neck.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_00: That's far less from what you know uh far less than what the Lord wants for every believer.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_00: So there is an element of ruling and and I, you know, and and it isn't a someday.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_00: The ruling and reigning with Christ is it is a now and a not yet.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, right.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_00: There is a there is a future element to that where that comes into its fullness, but this is something that we are invited into now, right?
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_00: That we rule over, you know, the the powers of darkness.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_00: The quality of life you and I are supposed to live in.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely it matters, it matters how we are as human beings, like how our soul is, right?
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_00: And so so that that that does matter.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so I just in in light of that, I would just say maybe, maybe there is this uprooting thing that needs to happen, like uprooting of the bad seed, even as we you know, uh just view authority and the words that we speak, like I have I need to repent of speaking curses over my life so that now I can start to speak blessing over my life.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_00: I, you know, I can look at my life and I could actually um I could actually shift how I see myself from a way of like speaking curses of hopelessness, of frustration and anger, even self-hatred, uh, and then eve and then shift into a place of life and hope and you know, a posture of the heart that is joyfully expectant of what the Lord can and will do through you or I, right?
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_00: So so to me, I just think as just maybe just as we land the plane, I'm just I'm wondering if we just maybe I can just pray.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_00: I think you prayed last time.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_00: I did.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but just like that would be if hey, if you made it to this far, um, congratulations.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, you're about to you're about to be blessed by just a prayer of repentance.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_00: And so just maybe just agree with me as you uh as you're listening.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so just let me let me pray for us and say, okay, so so Father, we just come before you, Lord.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_00: We just I thank you, Lord, first for your presence here with us.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Lord, that you're with us.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Lord, that where whoever's listening, that you're with them.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, Lord, and first I I want to thank you for that.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_00: And then I want to acknowledge, Lord, the truth of your word.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_00: Lord, and God, I just say your word is the standard that we live by.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like our experience is not the standard, our past is not the standard.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_00: Our our thoughts about the future are not the standard.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_00: Your word is the standard by which we measure our lives.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and so God, I just pray right now, Lord.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_00: I just pray a prayer of repentance, Lord, yes, for living far below the standard that you have set, Lord.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_00: Lord, I repent of speaking curses over my own life.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I repent of speaking curses over my myself, yes, my family, my identity, Lord, my place of work, the people that I work with.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_00: God, I repent.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_00: I say that's my sin for for speaking curses, Lord.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: Lord, and so Lord, I just acknowledge that's my sin.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_00: Lord, I ask that you forgive me.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_00: Forgive me, Lord, of that.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_00: Forgive me.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's my sin.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_00: I own it.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, Lord, and I just repent of that right now.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_00: I acknowledge it, Lord.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_00: And so God, I just say, Lord, I renounce my agreement with it.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_00: I break up with it.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I break up with that line of thinking.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_00: God, I I break up with the right to speak those curses over myself, yes, and over the people around me and over my situations.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_00: God, I break up with that right.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_00: I I renounce the right to do that.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, God, and then I release, I release those things.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, Lord, I release that contract, those contracts, those agreements, those sins and dysfunctions, Lord.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_00: I release those to the foot of the cross, to the side of Jesus.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, amen.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_00: And he gets to say what happens to those things.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_00: So I release them now in Jesus' name, Lord.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_00: Every curse, every lie, every harsh word, yeah, Lord, gets released, every agreement gets released to the side of Jesus.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_00: And then I receive all the grace, the mercy, the forgiveness, Lord.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I receive a renewed mind, God.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_00: I receive a renewed mind that would look at situations from heaven's perspective uh perspective.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_00: I will uh a renewed mind that would look at my my life, who I am, who my family is, my job, my assignments, Lord, that would look at that like I'm seated with Christ in heavenly places.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_00: That would look at my situation with eyes of love, with eyes of hope, with eyes of joy, with eyes of promise, Lord, for good and not for harm.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_00: And so I just release those now.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_00: Or uh, I receive those things.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like I receive those things now with the grace and the love and the mercy and the kindness of Jesus.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_00: In your name.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_01: Love it.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's a wrap on this episode.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's been a privilege to have you as an honored guest as we all learn to hear God better.
• 56:15
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• 56:24
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