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Regenerative Medicine & Longevity: Dr. Joseph Purita on Healing from the Inside Out · Ageless and Timeless Podcast®

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  Speaker 1: Good afternoon everyone. This is Michelle Hughes from Ageless and Timeless.
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  Speaker 1: I have doctor Perita with me today and I just
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  Speaker 1: want everybody to know, if you don't already know who
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  Speaker 1: he is, that he is probably the granddaddy, or at
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  Speaker 1: least the father of orthopedic regenerative medicine. And I met him,
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  Speaker 1: actually I met his assistant at the Bradfest show about
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  Speaker 1: a year ago, and I was just so taken by
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  Speaker 1: all of that I learned about them that I made
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  Speaker 1: an appointment to go see them and Folk Overtone, but
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  Speaker 1: unfortunately that trip got canceled at the last minute. So
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Pereda, I haven't met you yet, but I'm really
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  Speaker 1: looking forward to meeting you in person.
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  Speaker 2: Well at least you got me on zoom, but in
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  Speaker 2: person will be better eventually that but.
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  Speaker 1: You are the subject of our most recent Talk Doctor
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  Speaker 1: magazine article. All right, well let's dive in, Okay, So
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  Speaker 1: I want first there's so much to talk about with you.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's truly amazing how much you've accomplished.
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  Speaker 1: But let's start with a little bit of history about
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  Speaker 1: who you are and how you got to where you
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  Speaker 1: are today. So just give us a thumbnail of sure.
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  Speaker 2: I went to college and med school at Georgetown University,
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  Speaker 2: Orthopedic Residency, University of Miami, and board certified Northropediatic Surgery
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  Speaker 2: and Regenitive Medicine. I was the inaugural President of the
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  Speaker 2: American Academy and Board of Regenitive Medicine. I've been practicing
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  Speaker 2: it for a few decades now. I started initially would
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  Speaker 2: sell you the therapies, but I've now expanded my horizon
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  Speaker 2: to include many anti aging therapies because there's such an overlap,
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  Speaker 2: you know. I mean, I saw, I had an Aha
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  Speaker 2: moment once where I saw a slide that has stem
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  Speaker 2: cell aging pathways. That so well, the way stem cells
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  Speaker 2: age is the way we age, and just one thing
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  Speaker 2: led to another.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, the interesting thing about you and that
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  Speaker 1: little thumbnail history is that you started out an allopathic,
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  Speaker 1: traditional medical orthopedic surgeon.
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  Speaker 2: Correct, and you made a addician know what the bug
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  Speaker 2: was in me. Even when I was a resident, I
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  Speaker 2: was doing stuff like I was doing laser dyseectomies and
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  Speaker 2: I was using chymopath pain in disc when I was
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  Speaker 2: still a resident, you know, way back, you know, forty
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  Speaker 2: years ago whatever. So I've always had the bug, so
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  Speaker 2: to speak, that knowing that, yeah, we have to push horizons,
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  Speaker 2: we have to move the envelope.
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  Speaker 1: And what was it that got that bug to be
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  Speaker 1: in your consciousness?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I guess it's something I've always been interested in
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  Speaker 2: the cutting edge, of the cutting edge, even when I
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  Speaker 2: was in grammar school. I was always you know, saying,
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  Speaker 2: well how about doing this and doing that? So, you know,
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  Speaker 2: always liked that concept. I never was satisfied for the
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  Speaker 2: status quo.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So that's one uniqueness about you. So so the
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  Speaker 1: next step after you had your AHA moment, which I
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  Speaker 1: guess was actually way back into your residency from what
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  Speaker 1: you just said, were there other AHA moments that have
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  Speaker 1: basically transformed you into who you are today? And what
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  Speaker 1: were they? You know?
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  Speaker 2: So basically, way back when I was doing you know,
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  Speaker 2: joint replacements and a lot of sports medicine, and somehow
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  Speaker 2: or other, I came across something called PRP. There's many
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  Speaker 2: years ago. Yeah, this makes I'm going to look into this,
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  Speaker 2: And I said, wow, that makes all the sense in
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  Speaker 2: the world because this is really how nature heals things.
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  Speaker 2: You know. I have one of my slides, I say, cells,
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  Speaker 2: not doctors heal patients. And that's so true. No matter
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  Speaker 2: what proced you have, be it open heart survey or
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  Speaker 2: joint replacement or anything, ultimately your cells have to heal you.
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  Speaker 2: And if it's not your healing you, you're not going
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  Speaker 2: to heal.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And then I realized that and I said, well, this
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  Speaker 2: is just what nature does. And then you know, I remember, listen,
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  Speaker 2: people were making a lot of fun of me initially
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  Speaker 2: when I started doing these things, and HIGH said, well, guys,
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  Speaker 2: don't make fun of me because you just don't know
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  Speaker 2: the science. Because this is how nature heals things. It
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  Speaker 2: uses these growth factors, it uses pathways, and one thing
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  Speaker 2: came to another, and you know a lot of that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, hesitation on people, you know, kind of melted away.
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  Speaker 2: And people that used to make fun of me now
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  Speaker 2: say hey, can I come and train with you?
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  Speaker 1: So kind of you know, it's interesting. Yeah, it's interesting
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  Speaker 1: you say that. I was on the advisory board with
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  Speaker 1: doctor Barry Sears way back when. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you remember him, but he's yeah, so he's the Seers
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  Speaker 1: diet and the Zone diet. But anyway, he told me
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  Speaker 1: he was lecturing at a four am and he said
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  Speaker 1: his colleagues used to laugh at him because he was
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  Speaker 1: one of the first people to talk about inflammation and
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  Speaker 1: they you know, so you know what it's like to
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  Speaker 1: have resistance and to deal with, you know, the monolithic
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  Speaker 1: organizations that can basically discredit you. But yet you hang
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  Speaker 1: in there and you continue to fight to fight, and
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  Speaker 1: you know because you have these facts behind you and
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  Speaker 1: the science. And then at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: people are now coming to you for advice and they,
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  Speaker 1: once laughter.
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  Speaker 2: Have the facts and science behind you, and that's what
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  Speaker 2: always protects you. When you have those two compound comrades,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to do fine.
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  Speaker 1: Well. I think you said that you might do an
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  Speaker 1: analogy here, a metaphor that the host computer is the
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  Speaker 1: are the cells the mitochondria, and the software are the
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  Speaker 1: curtains and.
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  Speaker 2: The ap m K.
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  Speaker 1: And that's explain that to us a little.
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  Speaker 2: So, you know, I tell people, I said, listen, think
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  Speaker 2: about it. I'd like to use practical terms sometimes, I said,
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  Speaker 2: when you have a problem with your computer, what do
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  Speaker 2: you really do? You say, oh, well, we'll just shut
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  Speaker 2: it down and reboot it. Right, That's exactly what we're
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  Speaker 2: doing in Regenita Medicine. I tell patients think of your
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  Speaker 2: organs and cells as the computer hard where and these
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  Speaker 2: pathways in the body are the computer software. And all
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  Speaker 2: we're trying to do is reboot those and make them
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  Speaker 2: work properly, say, kind of get rid of some of
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  Speaker 2: these you know, glitches, so to speak. And I think
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  Speaker 2: it's a good analogy and it really is very succinct
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  Speaker 2: in what we try to accomplish in regenitive medicine.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's dive a little deeper into that concept because
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  Speaker 1: it's very important to people to understand what exactly if
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  Speaker 1: you discept that. So let's start with PRP platelet rich pasma.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't you define that for us and tell us
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  Speaker 1: how that is one of the pathways.
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  Speaker 2: Or basically, platelet rich plasma is based Platelets are in
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  Speaker 2: your blood. Okay, we all know that.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: We used to always say, okay, you get a cut,
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  Speaker 2: you put pressure on it, and you say, okay, let
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  Speaker 2: me put pressure. Ah, good, it finally formed the clot.
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  Speaker 2: And that used to be the idea that platelets form
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  Speaker 2: the clot, and then we dismissed them and that was it.
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  Speaker 2: So far from the truth. Now platelets are, you know,
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  Speaker 2: basically a cornucopia of growth factors that really they can
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  Speaker 2: enhance and influence healing dramatically. They can call in stem
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  Speaker 2: cells to the area, they can reduce inflammation to the area.
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  Speaker 2: So there's so many different things and these growth factors,
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  Speaker 2: there's a multitude. We don't even know. All the growth
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  Speaker 2: factors in there come from the release of the platelets
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  Speaker 2: when they start releasing these growth factors. There's also you know,
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  Speaker 2: people may have heard of terms called exosomes and things
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  Speaker 2: like that. Platelets have more exosomes than any other source
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  Speaker 2: of the bodies. So there are a very rich source
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  Speaker 2: of exosomes. So there's so many things that we get it.
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  Speaker 2: So they can influence healing dramatically. Okay, you really need them.
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  Speaker 2: You need them in certain ways. You need them, you know, concentrated. Again,
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  Speaker 2: it's the body's soup. That's what I call it, the
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  Speaker 2: regenitive soup. It's a main ingredient of the regenitive soup.
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  Speaker 1: So what tell everybody what an exosomee is?
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  Speaker 2: Exosome is kind of a little packet of information. Sometimes
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  Speaker 2: they have something called mess in your RNA things like that.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes believe it or not, what exosomes are are there?
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  Speaker 2: Mitochondria that are floating around in your circulation. Mitochondria. Now, remember,
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  Speaker 2: are the energy producing parts of the cell. They're like
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  Speaker 2: little factories that produce energy. And the energy in this
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  Speaker 2: case is ATP is the body's you know, energy currency
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  Speaker 2: as I call it. And that's maybe one of the
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  Speaker 2: ways that we think stem cells may actually work. What
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  Speaker 2: we're thinking now is that stem cells, when you put
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  Speaker 2: them into a patient, they may be transferring mitochondria from
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  Speaker 2: cells that are kind of you know, to I should say,
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  Speaker 2: cells that are kind of mitochondria, and they can reevaluate
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  Speaker 2: and rejuvenate them by that method.
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  Speaker 1: Right right, So if it takes the platelet rich plasma
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  Speaker 1: and you put it, you extract it from the body
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  Speaker 1: and then reinject it, and that's what plasma paresis is correct.
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  Speaker 2: No, absolutely not much different. Okay, you know basic we're
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  Speaker 2: taking and we're spinning it down, we're centrifuging it, we're
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  Speaker 2: throwing away a lot of the red blood cells, some
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  Speaker 2: of the other cells, some of the plasma, and we're
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  Speaker 2: concentrating the platelets with plasmas. So it's called platelet rich plasma.
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  Speaker 2: Now we use that in conjunction with other things such
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  Speaker 2: as stem cells from fat, from bone marrow, things like that,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll put it into a joint and it's again,
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  Speaker 2: it's a regenitive soup that we have. Now, the other
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  Speaker 2: tricks that we do and that I've really been pioneering in,
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  Speaker 2: is what we call photo biomodulation. Now, what does that
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  Speaker 2: mean in every day Well, basically we're using weather to
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  Speaker 2: enhance the results of these cells. It basically makes them healthier,
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  Speaker 2: makes them able to withstand stresses more. You know, a
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  Speaker 2: joint is a very stressful area for a cell, and
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  Speaker 2: it gives them a very survival and things like that.
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  Speaker 4: of the energy of the functional medicine world. And there's
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  Speaker 4: so much there's a lot of charlatanism about these products.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many of them available. What do you use
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  Speaker 1: to discern the efficacy of a red let's just say
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  Speaker 1: red blue blue light therapy if you were choosing for consumers.
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  Speaker 2: About twenty minutes ago, I just put on an article
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  Speaker 2: on LinkedIn. I put a lot of things on LinkedIn,
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  Speaker 2: and it was about the use of red light, basically
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  Speaker 2: infrared and red light like six thirty. Now that's number
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  Speaker 2: six thirty means that's the color of the light. It
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  Speaker 2: basically is the wavelength. And this study showed that this
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  Speaker 2: dramatically improved the health of the stem cells. Now, for
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  Speaker 2: the actual consumer, what I would recommend is you can
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  Speaker 2: look in some light panels and you want to get
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  Speaker 2: a panel that's both red and infrared, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe doing it's a day and spent a bit of
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  Speaker 2: money on it because it's worth it. You're getting this
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  Speaker 2: is one of the easy treatments you can do in
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  Speaker 2: your own home that really makes a difference. It can
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  Speaker 2: make it. And the reason why you want infrared also
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  Speaker 2: is because it penetrates deeper into your body. Okay, so
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  Speaker 2: it's going to help you maybe with your skin, but
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  Speaker 2: it's also going to help you with aging inside also,
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  Speaker 2: which is very important. Now we have some other treatments
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  Speaker 2: we can get into a little bit where we actually
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  Speaker 2: put the entire circulatory system. We treat that with light,
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  Speaker 2: with photo modulation, so many different things that we do here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I have I have friends with them with far oh.
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  Speaker 1: I have a far infrared sauna, but my neighbor at
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  Speaker 1: the street has one and they have the red light
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  Speaker 1: panel right in the in the in the infrared sauna.
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  Speaker 1: So that's kind of a cool thing. I think.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you think it's a heat, Well, it's the
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  Speaker 2: heat can make some difference also, but again for red
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  Speaker 2: light and infrared, it's more the light wavelength. Okay, yeah, yeah. However,
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  Speaker 2: let's get into another topic that's very germane to what
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about. When you start talking about you know
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  Speaker 2: a lay excuse me, a sauna that heats up, maybe
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  Speaker 2: it gets to one hundred and fifty hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 2: five degrees, you now get something called heat shot proteins.
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  Speaker 2: Now they really that's kind of a misnomer because you
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  Speaker 2: get it from heat and get it from cold. You
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  Speaker 2: really get these things from stress. Now what do they
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  Speaker 2: do these heat and cold shot proteins. They act as
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  Speaker 2: little helicopters. They hover over a protein to make sure
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  Speaker 2: that it folds properly into the cell. Misfolded proteins are
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  Speaker 2: responsible for many different diseases, including many of the neurodegenitive diseases.
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  Speaker 2: And remember, if the proteins misfold into your mitochondria, that's
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  Speaker 2: like having a power plant that basically most of the
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  Speaker 2: equipment is not working well and it's not going to
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  Speaker 2: produce any power. So that's why you get a lot
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  Speaker 2: of good benefits in addition to reducing inflammation and things
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  Speaker 2: like that. So there's so many benefits that you get
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  Speaker 2: from the infrared saunas. I mean it's a good thing
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  Speaker 2: between the light, the heat, et cetera, many different things.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I do mine every single day. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, everybody has a bit of a routine, right
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  Speaker 1: when you're in this world of regenerative medicine and looking
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  Speaker 1: for all the methodologies that you can do at home.
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  Speaker 1: So I have a hyperbaric chamber that I purchased it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, really because I had had a biking accident.
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  Speaker 1: But I so I did it for a purpose. But
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  Speaker 1: now I just use it preventatively about three times a week.
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  Speaker 1: So how do you what do you think about hyperbarics
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  Speaker 1: and how do you use those in your practice?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you how I think about it. We
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  Speaker 2: have two chambers, so that tells you something. We have
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  Speaker 2: a laydown chamber.
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  Speaker 1: I guess that's a good answer, and.
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  Speaker 2: It's a hard shell, knock on wood. And then we
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  Speaker 2: also have a new unit that you can actually walk
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  Speaker 2: into and it seeds two people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what mine. Mine is a vertical not a horizontal.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's just like a little you think you're in
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  Speaker 2: an airplane once you close it up. Beautiful seats and anything.
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  Speaker 2: But let's go get talk a little bit about the
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  Speaker 2: scientific hyperbaric oxygen.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I'd like to hear that.
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  Speaker 2: People, including a lot of doctors, you know, they say, well,
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  Speaker 2: what it does because oxygen's under pressure, so it makes
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  Speaker 2: more oxygen dissolve into the blood. Because your hemoglome is
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  Speaker 2: the only thing that can carry oxygen. Once it's bound
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  Speaker 2: with oxygen, that's it no more. But if you have
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  Speaker 2: it under pressure, the oxygen gets into the plasma part,
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  Speaker 2: which is the watery part of the blood, and it
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  Speaker 2: can deliver more oxygen to the tissue, which is a
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  Speaker 2: very important thing. But possibly what's even more important comes
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  Speaker 2: from the work of He's a physician at the University
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  Speaker 2: of Pennsylvania. His name is doctor Tom Thhom. He had
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  Speaker 2: a very classic study. What he said is the real
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  Speaker 2: mechanism of hyperbaric oxygen is that it increases nitric oxide
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  Speaker 2: production in the body, which then stimulates the bone marrow
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  Speaker 2: to release a lot more stem cells. So, for instance,
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  Speaker 2: he showed over twenty treatments of hyperbaric oxygen, your bone
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  Speaker 2: marrow releases eight times more stem cells than it really would.
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  Speaker 2: That's dramatic. Okay, Now, a little pearl I'll send to
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  Speaker 2: everybody out there there's a compound, or I should say
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  Speaker 2: a supplement that we use. It's called NEO forty and
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  Speaker 2: e O Dash number forty, which is a nice oxide stimulator.
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  Speaker 2: So every time someone goes into the chamber, we give
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  Speaker 2: it one of those also so we can increase the
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  Speaker 2: amount of niche oxide produced. I called this forty I
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  Speaker 2: called the poor man's hyperbaric chamber because it's producing that.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had Nason brian As.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you know very well, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sob his Lazenger. I take one every single day.
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  Speaker 2: It's very similar to NEO forty. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 2: NEO forty is actually the one that was originally made.
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  Speaker 2: That's the one that University of Texas did all the
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  Speaker 2: research on with Rod who won the Nobel Prize in it,
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  Speaker 2: and that was what they basically the Human Company, which
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: is the name of the company, produces. It has the
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: patent from the universe. You have Texas there you want.
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  Speaker 1: Right, so what I don't know if you believe in
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  Speaker 1: those little strips, but.
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  Speaker 2: It's true, that's absolutely true, no question.
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  Speaker 1: So I took you know, I take them and I
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  Speaker 1: tell everybody, you know, if you're taking the nitric oxide,
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  Speaker 1: be sure. You just test yourself on the strip so
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  Speaker 1: you see what's happening. And I remember one of the
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  Speaker 1: shows I did it and it was kind of mid range.
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  Speaker 1: Then I started taking his product and the next time
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  Speaker 1: I did it was off the charts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely. It another quick little story about you know,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: nitric oxide. Anytime I travel overseas, that's one of my
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: go to things. Six to eight pills plus. I use
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: a little watch that kind of shines light on my
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: radio and all our arteries, and I get no jet leg.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I mean I literally flew nineteen hours from Chennai, India
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: back to folk were Ton last week and I came
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: right to my office and saw patients all day without
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: a jet leg.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Is that little watch one that you can share with
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: us what it is.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: It's called a thoroughllumine. I don't have one here, but
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I work with them. Also. It's it does photo modulation
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: on your radio and owner artery. It doesn't tell the time,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: it just uh, I mean, this is an old one
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: type like this is what it looks like.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Uh huh.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Unfortunate. This one I don't think is operational, but it
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: does work and it works very well.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So doctor do you know Bob Weber, Robert Weber?
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I know doctor Webber very well, yes.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, so he sent me his Yeah, it's called Eco something.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: It's a it's there. It's one of their newer because
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: there tend to be more of a medical products company,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: but they have now a consumer division. So is that
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: the same? Is that similar?
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: That this is different? This hasn't This is I'm going
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: to not be honest with you. It's a little more
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: powerful and it's one you have. Yeah, it is the thoroughllumine.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: It's called Okay, I'm going to put that in the
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: show notes so people know. And then Neo neil Ford.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: M A N n uh the the great.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. So what do you think about N A
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: D and and doing N A D as an IV therapy.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: There seems to be a lot of controversy about whether
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: or not it's afflicacious to use it as an You
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: know that it's too big a molecule to be absorbed orally,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: but that I V is possible, but that that that
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: it then disappears very quickly. So what's your thought about.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Your I'm not convinced you can take an A D orally.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Now some people have just sent me some liposomal version
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: of it. We'll see, yeah, quick silver, because I know
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: what you have to do. And even N m N,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: you know, which is an oral supplement, is not getting
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: the cell either. What gets in the cell is n R.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Now there are some NMN that can get into certain cells. Okay, interesting,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: So really the best thing to do if you're taking
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: OILY is to take n R and n m N.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: What is what is NR? Doctor?
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Period of ten of mine?
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Righte? Oh? Okay, so that's the original form, right.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: And then NMN is the second STEPNAD is a third.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I just designed a supplement that has a number of
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: different compounds in it, of which it has NR and NMN.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: So that's good. But I still think the gold standard
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: to me is intravenous NAD.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, So what about the controversy today that it doesn't
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: last half hour later or whatever your body has, you know,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: as unused it whatever little bit it can get from it,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: but it isn't going.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: To be I think it gets absorbed. It may take
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: a little time.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: We have some tricks that we do here though, that
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: make it a lot easier. Okay, First of all, we
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: give the patient TMG, trimethyl glysine methylating agent that makes
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: the NAD go down easier. Secondly, which is totally unique
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: to us, we photo activate our NAD with a violet
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: light that changes the molecule shape a little bit and
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: it kicks an electron up and it makes it much
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: eas to get into the cell, so we have much
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: less symptomatology and the other crazy thing. But it does work,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: and I suggest anybody out there try it. When you're
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: doing intravenous and ad is sip on coffee at the
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: same time. Why will dramatically be able to increase the
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: speed it takes to do the NAD?
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Why is that.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Not exactly sure? We think that it has something to
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: do with changing the molecule at bit, with the caffeine
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: probably and things like that. So it works. I can
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: tell you that just I suggest you try it.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: But what what about the fact that when you ce
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: an nat I V you get really nauseous?
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: And what is the reason that whole point because you're
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: basically getting like a methyl reaction. So my whole point
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: is you take the TMG, you basically photoactivate it, and
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: you sip on the coffee and you're going to get
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: very little of those symptoms.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: That's interesting.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Wow, we've increased it, I should say, we've increased the
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: time it takes or decreased the time by about seventy
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: percent with those couple of.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: An example like this, doctor Purider, how did you come
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: about knowing, you know, discovering this?
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: What was the Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: as you wore saying, so again, I'm always interested in photobiomodulation.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I came up with a with a instrument called the
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: pure light that we used to photo modulate any of
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: our biologics that go into a joint or whatever. And
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: then I started thinking, you know, I wonder if this
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: would work for some IVY compounds because I know, for instance,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: methylene blue if you're familiar with that, of course, get
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: intravenous definitely blue, then go on a red light bed
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: because it really makes it work better. So so holp
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: out if we photo activated ahead of time and behold,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: So what we do now is we get our methylene
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: blue from the compounding pharmacy, we put it in see
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: c syringe, put it in the red light for about
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: three and a half minutes at a certain frequency, and
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: lo and behold. Then we give it intervenously and boila,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: we've had to activated methlene blue before it even goes
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: into the patient. And then I started experimenting and looking around.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: We started doing it again with N A D and
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: we discovered, hey, this is really affecting the patients in
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: a very positive way. They were able to toperate this
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: in A D a lot easier. And then we've done
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: it with Kirk Kerman and a couple of other things.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: So if we wanted to get your product, because not
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: everybody can do the I VS, but they want the
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: NAD and I've I've used the Quicksilver Scientific lipisomal, But
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think I'm getting I don't know, I can't.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I'm still not convinced that.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: How do we know your product that you just developed
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: with the N n R and the M and.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's going to be from the Human Company.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: And uh, what I like about that is, you know,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I'm addressing a lot of different things when I get
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: concerned about you know, there's a lot of clinics out
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: there that don't look at the whole picture. You know,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: when you're giving an A D to a patient, you know,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: are you for me with sinessen cells?
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Of course? Yeah.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Well realize now.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: When you see boby cells, right, So when.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: You're giving a d ED, you're actually making those zombie
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: cells a little healthier, which is not necessarily a good thing.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: You need some zombie cells. So we make we always
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: give Cursington at the end of our NAD because that
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: will help get rid of some of these zombie cells.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: It'll keep them at bay, not make them too healthy.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: But the formula that I've made, which is going to
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: be a powder that you can mix with water, we
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: have some cursed tin. We have some epigen I think
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: it's called which there's a there's a certain type of
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: cells as we get older, it is a huge consumer
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: of NAD. It's called a C thirty eight, Yes, and
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: that consumes NAD like crazy. And if those cells at bay,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: you're going to be able to get much more NAD
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: that your body can use. Remember there's an old saying
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: that every twenty years of life you're an a D
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: level goes down fifty percent.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I know that's scary, isn't it very much? So So
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: so you look at David Sinclair's research and Ruz veratrol,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: and then so how do you synchronize your thinking with
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: what you what he's been doing at Harvard for all years.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: I think he's on the mark for most for the
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: most part. The only thing I disagree with him a
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: bit about rasveratol. I think stillben stilled with a P
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: is a better alternative because it's much more bioavailable. And
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: what is that It's called stiben. But the people, oh,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I know what that is. Yeah. However, what we have
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: in our office here for those that are interested, is
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: we have intravenous resveratol, which you know in Indie system.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: So we're always kind of pushing the envelope looking for
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: these odd oddities that we know can make a difference.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Well, didn't the SDA ban na D at one point
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: from IVS?
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: They may have, I'm not sure. I'm not aware of.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I know they were trying to ban NMN because they
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: we got some studies that say it's going to be
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: a drug, so you can no longer put it as
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: a supplement. I don't know where that's ended up.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's happened to Okay, So this is
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: so fascinating and I want to be sure, we cover
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: a lot of ground. Can you tell us those two
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: products that we can get at your want to? I
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: want to have that in the show notes. I want
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: to be sure I write it down. The two products
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: you just mentioned we can get from you.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure which one we mentioned.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: A lot of the one with the well the oral
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: and a d with the n M.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: And that's in the process right now being made. I
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: expect it should be. It's by the company Human and
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: it should be right in another yeah, and hopefully in
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: another two or three months. You know, they're just doing
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: the final stages of it now.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: And should people be taking question anyway, just as an
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: oral supplement, just because of the what it does.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: For the just the only thing I don't like about Kursington,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I don't like you to take it continuously. I think
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: to take it and the kind of give yourself a
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: break is superb. Here's the other interesting thing about Cursington.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: You know, you know a lot of people may take
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: a Myers cocktail drip, which yes, zincing it. Yeah. The
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: problem with that tho is zinc has trouble getting into
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: the cell. It has trouble penetrating the membrane. Right, But
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: herse tin can act as a chaperone and get it
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: right into that cell and it's going to do your
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: good for your immune system.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: So okay. So is that so? Orally, if you're taking curstin,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: you should take zinc as well, because.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: You should take zinc anyway, every day.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: I take zinc every day, but I don't have.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: You're having difficulty getting it into the cell. Yeah, ring easy,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: use a little person in with it, and you're going
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: to get that good debt.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're bringing up something that I think is
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: really problematic in the supplement world, and that is you
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: could be taking all these supplements, when are you absorbing them?
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: And is your body, you know, toxicity causing that or
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: the inflammation causing that. So you know, how do you,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: like you said, you take a handful of supplements, how
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: do you ensure that those supplements are getting to the
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: cells where they need to be?
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: You know, listen, I'm hoping that you know. The companies
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I'm using are very reputable companies. I mean, I really
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: vetted them out and I think they're good. I mean,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know for sure. I've not done any testing,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: although I mean I've done an occasional test here and it.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: For instance, I did a test of my na D
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: once intertellular na D and the aim as that of
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: a teenager. So I said, well, I'm doing something right,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: So I'm worry So I think they're working. I mean,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: you must be careful and you don't always go for
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: the cheapest price in supplements. You know, you have suitable companies.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: That's the real key here, right.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: I tell everyone to go to Full Script and you
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: know they have some of the very best. So what
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: is just if you don't mind sharing? What are some
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: of the brand names? Are the ones that you know what?
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I like a lot, and I think they're very reputable
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: as Thorn Research, very reputable. And I use Human And
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: there's a newer company that I like. It's called Codage
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: C O D E A G E. They have some.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been using them.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: What I like about I.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Thought it was, yeah, they have a you're listening to
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: a product.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Have you tried that's going to That's to me one
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: of the go to supplements, okay, because of the fact
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: that it does mitophagi and mitogenesis that is, and I
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: take that supplement every day without fail. Weekend. I give
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: myself a break. I don't take any supplements all. The
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: only thing I take seven days a week is NEO forty,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: the nitric oxide stimulator. Yeah.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so you and I are doing very much
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: the same thing. So what about the well and also
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Kodiaks of their competitors Timeline right, which you know that
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: you're a listening a They're They're good. They're very expensive.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just yeah.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: And I'm not sure if it's worth it, but I
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: don't know. I haven't used their product much.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I bought the powder and the gummies and the capsules.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: I bought all three. So that was a big investment.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: But it will last me for a few months.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, but it's a good Okay.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: So if if someone was coming to your clinic, so
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: let's just go let me backtrack. You have a clinic
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: in Boca Ratone. That the one that I was going
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: to come to and call pure form p U R
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: F O r M.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: That's correct.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: You are the chief medical officer. You also, do you
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: still have your Cayman Island.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I still go to an Islands. Yeah. As a matter
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: of fact, I was talking to my partner there today,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: So yes, I'm still involved with that, and.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: You also have one in Istanbul and that you work Istambul,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I visit.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: It's a clinic that we set up Ebo two on
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: and I came to you know, they invited me to go,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: So I went and I gave them some pointers on
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: some stuff that I thought would work even better for them.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay. So it's called one health right if people
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: are I believe so great, Okay, okay. But it's both
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: basically pure form where we're going to dive in right now.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: So okay, So let's just take a hypothetical patient that
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: walks in your door and you've never treated that patient.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: But patients a weekend warrior, not a not a professional athlete,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: but has had their share of injuries, but they're very
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: pro health and they're so they're not sick. They're just
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: wanting to stay well and age gracefully. So if you
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: were designing a program for someone like that, which is
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: I think more of the type of viewer that I
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: have on my podcast, That's why I'm using that as
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: the prototype. So what would happen? What would be the
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: treatment protocols that if this person wanted to spend a
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: day with you.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: To start out, well, you know, obviously we'd have to
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: examine them and go over their history and everything. But
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: let's say we've done that and they say, look, I'm
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: just basically wanting to do stuff for general well being.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: I want to increase my health span. Yes, they're okay, fine,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: So what I typically recommend for those people right off
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: the bat, what I say to myself, what can I
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: give this patient the biggest bang for his buck? So
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: that to me is EBO two extra oxygenation and ozonation.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Right, say that again because people need to know that
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: extra coial.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Blood, oxygenation and ozonation e b O two.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: So that's why it's a two, because it's oxygenation and oceanation.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, So it was basically in a nutshell, you have
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: one IV that leaves the arm that the bud's being
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: pulled by a pump. The blood then enters a dialysis
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: filter that's flipped upside down, where the blood enters the
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: bottom yas enters the top. No no ozone ever enters
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: the body, really, but the ozone reacts with the blood
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: and it gets converted to oxygen and a number of
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: other compounds. Another compound that gets converted to believe it
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: or not, is hydrogen peroxide, which is momentarily it doesn't
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: last that long, but it's a very potent stimulator of
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: our immune system. Another thing that I very much like
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: about e b O two is it will stimulate something
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: called the NRF two path, which is the major pathway
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: in your body that reduces inflammation. This is what we
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: call a transcription factor. What does that mean in every
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: day English? Well, a transcription factor is kind of a
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: compound of protein that hangs out in the cytoplasm, let's say,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: and given a certain single it then travels into the
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: nucleus and then goes to the genes and it tells
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: them to start transcribing things. It basically makes them make
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: certain compounds. In this case, it makes compounds to reduce
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: inflammation in our body. So that's why I like that.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: But the other nice thing about the ozone a couple things.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: The ozone itself can really attack viruses and molds. It
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: can damage their cell membranes, leaving their RNA and DNA exposed.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: And next thing, you know, those things that are not
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: going to be long on this earth. And the blood
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: goes into a hema lumine machine which is an apparatus
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: that subjects to blood to six different color lights red, infra, red, blue, green, ultraviolet,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: a ultraviolet c the ultraviolet sea can really finish off
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: any other organisms that may be in your blood and
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: then the blood goes back via the other arm. So
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: the process once the ivs are in, takes about forty
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: five minutes, and it's something that we find works exceptionally well.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: It can really get rid of a lot of inflammation
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: in the body, diminish viral loads, it gets rid of
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: a lot of microtoxins, forever chemicals, you know, hard metals
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: and things like that, heavy metals, I should say, so
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: a very good thing to do.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: So how do you compare that to plasma for esis?
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: All right, so very interesting question and a good question.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: So EBO two is more like an oil filtration system,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: like the oil filter in your car filters the oil
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: a lot of toxins. Plasma oresis is the oil change.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: So what we're doing in that case is we're taking
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: maybe two to three liters of plasma and literally throwing
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: away and we're replacing it with albumin. Now, let me
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: just say a little bit about bumin, because some patients
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: get a bit upset about it. Albumin is a product
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: made from blood, but it's sterile eyes and pasteurized, so
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: there are zero organisms in it, so you don't have
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: to worry that you're going to maybe get an infection
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: from a virus or something like that. Nope, no, none
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: of those things to worry about.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, So what happens then? What's the difference between Ebo
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: two and the plasma faresis at the end result, I
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: mean one.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I think they compliment each other together. They really do
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: compliment each other because EBO two can really get rid
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: of a lot of these toxins and mold and things
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: like that, whereas the Plaza paresis is just basically changing things.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: It's not necessarily stimulating pathways like EBO two does. Ebo
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: two is more of a complicated process when all said
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: and done, because they're stimulating a number of different pathways.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Plasmporesis is basically pretty you know, straightforward. It's just removing
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: some of the plasma and throwing it away and replacing
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: with albumin.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Why is it that people say when they take the
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: plasma faresis they get a white foam when they're what
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: what is that is? That is that toxicity.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I think you mean EBO two. That's where you get.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Oh maybe see EBO two. Okay, I just remember reading
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: that one.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: So those are some of the waste products in there,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: and they're basically a number of different things. We've sent
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: them to a company. The fluid that we take out
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: you'll see if it's a little canister and we've analyzed it.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of microtoxins, forever chemicals, all sorts of
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: things like that that we're getting out of there.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: So it's like when people go into those foot baths
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: and the water turns black.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: That I don't know how that works, but I've seen
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: I was kind of impressed.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I've tried it once, and I mean
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: everybody's the water turns black.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: So I don't I don't know the mechanism. I mean,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure that.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I don't scientifically right, right, So okay, So so those
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: are the two things you would recommend if someone walks
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: in your door that's healthy and.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Not necessarily pleasant. I mean, you know, plaster reis is
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: a little more money. I mean, right off the bat,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: i'd recommend the e B two. Now, what I should
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: mention to you also is we have a newer technique
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: with that. Now, once we do the EBO two, we
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: usually encourage the patient as soon as that's done to
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: then do an intravenous of phosphatidyl coline because remember now
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: a lot of your health is determined by cell membrane. Right,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I want to do is you know, the the EBO
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: two could affect the cell memorane so much so we
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: want to immediately repair it. But also when you're giving
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: phospatityle coline, it has a tendency to drive out even
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: more of the toxins, so that's cool part. And then
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: we might give them some methylene blue. Depending on you
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: know their status, we might give them an AD and
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: things like that. So that's typically the first thing I
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: would do. And you always want to do an EBO
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: two first rather than plasmaphoresis. The plastporesis should be done
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: a few days after the EBO two.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I got it. So basically the IV I mean, the
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: EBO two basically an oil change and then you're adding
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: in the good nutrients to to.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: The oil filtration fil That's what meant. But we're getting
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: a lot of rid of that and then the plaster
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: races of the oil change.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: That's I'm sorry I missed. Yeah, so okay, But but
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: the id reintroduce or introduces the good nutrients to replace
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: what exactly filtration has.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Just removed, exactly right. You know, we we use a
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: lot of poster title colin here. You know, the actual
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: other name for the kind of the common name is
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: plac x because it does seem to help get rid
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: of plaque and heavy metals and things like that, and
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: the regimen.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Do you take foster title Coling Gaily as our journey?
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I've been thinking about it and quite honestly,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: I just haven't gotten around to do it. But probably
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: not a bad idea to take it.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you take it along with poster title? If
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: you were going to take it, would you do it
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: with phosphor titled Serene? And you know, obviously for the brain,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: the cognitive I think it's.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: I think you're probably, if you're going to do it,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: to do both because they're very intimately related to the membrane.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: I I did a lecture on the cell membrane a
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: couple of months ago in Las Vegas, and I realized
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: how important it is. It's probably what really determines our
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: health more than anything else because it allows things getting
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: in or getting out of the cell. And it's your
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: mitochondria and memraines.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: And does it cross the blood rain barrier easily? Uh,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: if you have okay, And that way you could get
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: from thorn research, right, I think.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: An oral version. We get ours from a compounding pharmacy
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: for the intravenous version of it.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, But if you can't get to do an IV
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: and you want to take it.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: During again, it's going to be a matter of the
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: pharma kinetics. How much you're going to absorb. You'll absorb some.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: It will be as much as of course not, but
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: it's some is better than none.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: So what's your thinking about the gut grain barrier and
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: how are you affecting those two areas, those two organs
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: of the body to to improve both gut function and
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: brain function.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, obviously the gut I think is the
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: king of everything. I mean, it really determines your health, okay,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: And so it's so important that we have some tricks
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: that we do here. You know, one of the things
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: we do is we do a lot of hydrogen gas
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: and we do hydrogen water where we'll bubble the hydrogen
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: gas in the water and have patients drink it immediately.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: That seems that have very beneficial effects on your gut bacteria.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: I think two can affect the gut bacteria in a
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: very beneficial way. Also because it get it helps reduce inflammation.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: So anything where you're basically reducing inflammation, I think by
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: and large is going to help your gut.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So the the other thing that you know, we
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: obviously have to address with the gut our digestive enzymes
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: and probiotics and probiotics are such a unique every day Yeah, however,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: how do how do you know you're getting them into
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: the coalon where they belong?
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming I'm hoping, you know, kind of praying, you know.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: And do you do pre pre pro and post by
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: on its or do.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: You just I just do the one probiotic and that's it.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, what's the one? What's the one you like?
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: I forgot the name of it. I'm okay, I don't
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: know to remember the name. But actually I think I
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: border in Costco of all plasses, but I think it's
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: pretty good.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Well, I use a pendulum, the Pendulum O Company from
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: San Francisco. They have they have a lot.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe it I know it's you know a lot of Listen.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I can only take so many things. I'm taking about
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty things ready, So yeah, me.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Too, Me too. I know. That's why I try to
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: stagger them, because you can't take everything every day. You know,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: it's too much.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: I made I made a new rule with myself. On weekends,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: I'm off all supplements except NEO forty. Yeah, I don't
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: take anything.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Right. So let's talk about tell ameres for a moment,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: because tell amrase and telomeres are really another hot topic
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: today with DNA methylation and stem cells. And I don't
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: think people really understand what a telomere does. And Bill
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Andrews was on my podcast and oh, I've had several
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: people who are dealing with telomeres, but I know you
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: are as well. So why don't you tell us what
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: your attitude and philosophy is first? Tell us what telomeres are.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: First of all, Bill's a good, very good friend of mine.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: We had a nice little meeting in Las Vegas a
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: couple months ago. But anyway, tell me a DNA. Okay,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: every time your cell divides, it loses a little snippet
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: of DNA until it gets those critical length where then
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: the cell is not going to divide anymore. Right now,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: we think if we can make telomeres go back in length,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: that that probably is reversing aging, which I suspect is
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: very true. Now, interestingly enough, there's a compound called TeleMe RaSE,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: which is an enzyme can put this back, but it's
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: very difficult cult to get to stimulate that. Now we
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: know certain cells in our body do make it. One
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: cell is your reproductive cells. That's why a man can
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: be seventy five eighty years old and still follow a child. Yeah,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: because his DNA for those at least those reproductive cells
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: as sty'll still pristine. But you know some controversy about telemeraates.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Some people say, yeah, but cancer cells make thelemerase that
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: makes him immortal. I'm not going to buy that thing.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: So how can we make telmeraate? How can we make
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: the telomeres grow longer? A couple of studies. There's a
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: good study from the Israelis on hyperbaric oxygen. They were
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: showing us Is. They said, okay, look go in there
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: for about an hour an hour and a half, and
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: every fifteen minutes, take your mask off and just breathe
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: regular you know, an oxygen, and then put your back on.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: And that basically seemed to increase the length of the
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: telomeres of the immune system. That's what we're really interested in,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: the immune system. You're only as young or old is
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: your immune system send that memory. Your immune system just
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: doesn't fight bacteria, it fights cancers and all kinds of
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: bad things for you. So that's a very good study
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: with a lot of good science there. Now another interesting
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: thing that can be helping your telomeres is intermittent hypoxia therapy.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I was just going to ask you about that.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: One of my favorite things to do here. So basically,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: you know, we have a hypoxia machine where I put
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: a mask on, I'm sitting in a chair relaxing, and
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: basically it starts varying my oxygen concentration. It goes from
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: nine percent to forty percent, and it kind of keeps
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: bouncing around. Again. It's tricking my body to think, hey,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: there's something going on here, because your oxygen is all
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: of a sudden switching around. It puts certain pathways into
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: the them you more or less and gets some going.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: So I think that's also and that's intermittent hypoxia is
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: probably one of the most potent stimulators of our mitochondria
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: that we have. So maybe a good way to kind
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: of think about intimate hypoxyd It's like training at altitude.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: You know, I'll get myself up to where I can
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: be like I'm at twenty two to twenty three thousand
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: feet kind of sitting in a chair. I don't have
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: to even exercise, and it's making my mitochondria better, it's
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: making more of them, et cetera. So I like that
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: technique a lot. And and you know, it's interesting. I
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: was giving a lecture I actually earlier today. I had
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: to go down to a place Hollywood, Florida, and someone says, yeah,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: but can't you do the same thing by holding your breath.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: You can't do that because you really can't get intimate
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: and hypoxia therapy to work until your blood oxygen goes
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: below ninety You know, most people, when you have a
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: blood oxygen you register, you look at it, it's like
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: between ninety six to ninety nine percent.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Right, that's remind us you.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Have to be below ninety for it to have any effects.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: So it's almost difficult, almost impossible to do that when
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: you're just holding your breath.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: So is that a machine that you're using.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Your machine that varies the oxygen concentration?
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Okay? And so do you also have a molecular hydrogen machine.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: I know you said you were using.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: It with the hydrogen machine that breaks down the hydrogen.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: It's under water, I should say, into hydrogen and oxygen.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: What I like about that is we'll have the patients
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: kind of just sitting there. They have a canular on
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: and they're getting an IV of ANAD.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Or something like that.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: We're doing the one two punch, so to speak. The
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: reason I like hydrogen so much is the following. Most
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: of your free radicals are made in your mitochondria. That's
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: where the action is, so to speak. And most of
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: the antioxidants that we like to use, like vitamin SEE
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: and things like that, the molecule is too big to
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: get into the mitochondria. I yes, however, has no problem
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: getting in there, so it can really be a very
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: potent anti inflammatory antioxidant.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: And at all the shows now there's so many of
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: these machines. I use the hue like, I don't know, well,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Mitch Ghan, I know, you know, doctor Dan, that's the
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: kind we have. Okay, good, Yeah, that's the one I
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: like the best. Now they have, you know, one that's
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: more for consumers. You can buy it, you set it
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: up in your home. But the big one, the big
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: big daddy that they bring to the show. That's always
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: fun to go.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: That is a good thing to do. And then you know,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: there's hydrogen water. You know, there's a lot of bottles now.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've looked into that and I'm probably going
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: to buy one. I think you've got to spend a
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: little bit of money and it, you know, maybe one
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars or so. But how do you
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: water have some benefits because you know it can affect
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: you got bacteria. I think if if you're going to
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: go and buy hydrogen water in the store, forget it,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: idron is going to all dissipate. But if you make
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: in there and then you just drink it right away,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: I think it's gonna beneficial for you.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, the the company one of my sponsors
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: is the well with Quicksilver Scientific is Water and Wellness,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: and they have a both companies sell a hydrogen tablet
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: so you just stick you put it in the morning,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: you put it in your water or in your whatever
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: you're drinking. Uh, and that gives you the hydrogen.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: A hit science, that's all I can Yeah.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well they've done a lot of research on that
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: little tablet, so that's what I'm very convenient to use
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: that with it.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: I'm just I'm a little leary because hydrogen is such
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: a liable thing. It just kind of, you know, evaporates
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: away real quick.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: I see. So all right, so tell us about intermittent
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: fasting and autophagy and m tour and why they are
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: so valuable.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: All right, So intermittent hypot excuse me. Intermittent fasting is
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: what I do five days a week. I do about
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: eighteen hours. I did too, you know. I think it's
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: so important because it does do what you call autophagi,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: where it basically the body kind of patrols and gets
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: rid of cells that are disease and things like that.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: It helps us get rid of that. I think it
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: also helps you control your glucose better and things like that,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: and that's probably something we can talk about and just
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: a little bit. And so I'm a big fan of it.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I think it really is important for people to do.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Now as far as M tour tour is a pathway, now,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: it's interest thing. M tour actually increases cell division and
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: things like that. So M tour is not necessarily something
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: for anti aging because the more you increase your cell division,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: the faster you're aging.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: That's why they is that apoptosis when they have the
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: cell turnover or is that not? Is that difference in cell.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Division increases that, you know, it increases cell turnover, so
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: you sometimes block that. And you have something called rapamycin compound,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: you know, Mycen's an interesting compound was discovered in Easter Island.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Initially it was used for organ rejection and you found, hey,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: it has this side effect that it increases the M
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: you know, diminishes the M tour a bit. So you know,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: I think that's important. There's some controversy there. Some people say, well,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: well have it. Maybe it may dispose predispose you to
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: diabetes or something that depends maybe on the on the
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: on the dosage. I'm not sure.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, would you before we go further, could you just
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: tell everybody what M tour stands for.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Mechanism, you know, mechanism of that excuse me of the pathway.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's mechanism terrain, isn't it?
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Of rapidmcin rep is a blocker of that, remember now, Yeah,
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: just like IGF one human growth hormone, people think that's
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: good for antiagent. Yeah, exactly. What it exactly does is
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: speeds up your agent. Yeah.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: And so it's interesting because on the lab core blood chests,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: when you're trying to get your level of your growth hormone,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: they only can test it with IGF one.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Well that's valid, okay. I g F one is the
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: active form of it. Yes, but again, you know it's good.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, it'll make your bone stronger, it'll make your
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: muscles bigger, but increase the cell division. You know, you're
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: tellmeres are going to get shorter. So it's not a
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: good thing necessarily.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: So tell us about the AI and now that's affecting
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: your practice in healthcare.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's interesting. I was the first. I'm
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: the oldest in the office by far, but yet I
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: was the first one that kind of discovered AI, and
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: I came in too. All the younger people. You're going
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: to have to know this stuff. It's going to be
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: very important. We're going to use it. More and more
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: and I started using it. I started using I think
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: chat GPTO, and then I went to Claude. Now my
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: go to is perplexity. The reason I didn't like chat
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: gpt is because it was making up references. I said, wait,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: I know that's not right, and I asked it and
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: I said, oh, I'm sorry, You're right. I just happened
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: to make it up. Whereas perplexity is very specific. It'll
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: give you a reference that you can look up online
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: and verify what it says. I really like that a lot,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: and I use it all the time. I mean, if
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: I want to check something, Hey, what about if I
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: do A and B what happens and it gives me
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: some ideas and then But you have to basically use
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: it as a tool. It's not just to take the
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: place of a physician. It's an adjunct to the physician.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it just fascinating that you can ask a question
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: and a second, a nano second later, you have this big,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: long answer. Whether it's accurate or not. That's a good
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously a good basic question.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: It'll be accurate.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to do that. Is that a free one?
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Like chat jimt you can.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Get a free version. And I was using a free
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: version for quite some time and then I said, wait
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: a minute. I went to the to the paid version.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: I think was like two hundred dollars for the whole year.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Way way better though, because then there's so many more
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: tools with it. But start with the free version, really
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: get comfortable with it. Make sure go from there.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: So where do you see, Let's let's let's project into
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: the next five years. Where do you see longevity regenerative
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: medicine five years from now.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: I think it'll be something that the next five years
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: will be more progress than we've made in the last
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: fifty years, and probably in the next year too. I
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: think it's it's mind boggling as to what we're going
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: to be able to do with this. It's just because
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: it takes out all the scut work. It's just basically
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: gives us the essence if you know how to use
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: it and basically use it to design protocols and things
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: like that, and and it gives you some of the pitfalls,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: you know, it just saves you, I think a lot
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: of time. It's going to save a lot of research
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: time mm hmm. Yeah.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: And you're you're at the forefront. Uh. Is Pure Forum
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: ever going to expand to other places or is it.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: The ideas? Yes, we're going to. I mean in some
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: ways we've expanded by you know, setting up people for
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: EBO too, But I think the whole concept that we're
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: going to have is going to be expanded.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, so the EBO too, like you can I can
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: do it here at Juyson and.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Mill Valley, and you have a number of people that yeah,
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: I know, we've set up a couple of people.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So that that's how you're expanding it by having
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: the other doctors been training.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Ask me about other things protocols, and I start giving
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: them some protocols and then they want to ask me
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: now about as a for reesist, I'm going to start
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: giving them protocol Next thing, you know, they're going to say, okay,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: look we'll make you a little satellite or something.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: There you go, got it? All right? Well, you've been
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: very generous in offering our viewers to uh have a
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: free console with you or one of your colleagues.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, we do a lot of telehealth, so that's not
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: a problem.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and your are you licensed to be able to
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: do that? In other states.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Well, actually, believe it or not, I have a California
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: license also.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Oh cool, Well that's where I am.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: I have a California license and have a Florida license.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, I have a license in
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: the Caymans. I mean, I don't know what the laws
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: are in other states. I mean, I don't know if
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: there's a problem doing telehealth, but I don't know.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Well I wasn't going to get into the political part,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: but I just that's so good to know that you
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: have California. Well, we need we need you to set
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: up a pure Formance in California. That would be great.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: You never know, things can happen, of course.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, So if people use the ageless code and they
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: call this number, which we'll put in the show notes,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: uh five six one three six eight one eight eight zero,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: that's the number for pure Form.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Health, and then you wherever you need to be.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you have an email p U r
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: f O r M health dot com. So that's it,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: and just use the ageless code and you'll be able
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: to get a free console. Hopefully it would be with you,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: doctor Purrita. That's what I would want.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: To me, And i'mn't happy to do. It doesn't take
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: me that long.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Oh that's so lovely. Well, thank you so much, and
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: I really appreciate you've taken the time today to share.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Much enjoyed this.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Well we will we will be together hopefully at a
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: four m if you're going to be there in December.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Should be. I'm actually going to do something for a
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: form in Geneva. I'm giving a talk.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Oh cool. I think you know doctor Golden, doctor Goldman,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: I've known yeah, you know him very well.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: I've known him, both of him very well.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and I've known him for many, many years.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: And he and I are about to go on an
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: advisory board together for helping real estate agents realtors looking
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: for wellness. And I'm a developer by background. I'm not
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: a real estate agent, but I certainly know real estate
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: so I've been to be on their advisory boards. But
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: doctor Goldman will be as well, and of course he
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: brings such an incredible wealth of experiences.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: The guy, good guy. Yeah, all right, Well, thank you
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: very much, and thank you so much. And again it's
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: an honor, thank you. Okay,