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Credlin | 27 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredline. Silence from the Federal government today and
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Speaker 2: the Australian Federal Police after more isis linked, women and
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Speaker 2: children touched down in Australia. People are genuinely fearful and
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Speaker 2: all we got last night was a press release. I'll
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Speaker 2: take you through the latest in a moment last to
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Speaker 2: night we bring you the dramatic showdown between the Victorian
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Speaker 2: farmer whod rented a power company contractor in a flashpoint
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Speaker 2: over Labour's highly controversial transmission line project. But you won't
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Speaker 2: believe what happened when the police were called that in
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Speaker 2: a moment. Also tonight's serious concerns over how the details
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Speaker 2: of Ben Robert Smith's dramatic arrest ended up splashed across
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Speaker 2: the media, with concerns about unauthorized disclosures now referred to
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Speaker 2: the National Anti Corruption Commission, and the latest absurdity out
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Speaker 2: of Senate here rings Australia's Sex Discrimination Commissioner actually arguing
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Speaker 2: that trans women so biological men could be victims of
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Speaker 2: pregnancy discrimination. Yep, no uterus she says, we have to
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Speaker 2: keep up the pretense.
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Speaker 3: No way, rounds of pregnancy includes potential pregnancy as well
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Speaker 3: as pregnancy.
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Speaker 2: A lot more to that exchange.
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Speaker 4: It gets worse.
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Speaker 2: I've got Macaulia Cash on the show in a moment
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Speaker 2: the first Nothing sums up the Albanezi government more than
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Speaker 2: how they have treated the man who put his life
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Speaker 2: on the line to fight Islamic State and how they
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Speaker 2: have now treated the women who left this country to
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Speaker 2: join Islamic State and breed what they hoped would be
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Speaker 2: the terrorists of the future. Again, here is the media
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Speaker 2: circus that surrounded the arrest of Australia's greatest living war hero,
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Speaker 2: the former SAS soldier Ben Robert Smith, backed up with
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Speaker 2: this appearance from none other than AFP Chief Commissioner Chrissy Barrett.
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Speaker 5: It will be alleged to the victims were not taking
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Speaker 5: part in hostilities at the time of their alleged murder
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Speaker 5: in Afghanistan. It will be alleged the victims were detained,
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Speaker 5: unarmed and were under the control of eightyf members when
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Speaker 5: they were killed.
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Speaker 2: Full press conference and plenty of questions and answers for
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Speaker 2: the journalists and for the women who joined the terrorist
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Speaker 2: death cult well a month ago after three returned and
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Speaker 2: were arrested. We got this from the AFP and note
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Speaker 2: no appearance here from the Chief Commissioner, not for the
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Speaker 2: ISIS women. Instead we get this bloke, an Assistant Commissioner.
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Speaker 4: Five runs down the ladder.
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Speaker 6: It is expected a fifty three year old woman will
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Speaker 6: be charged tonight or tomorrow with the following four Commonwealth
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Speaker 6: offenses crimes against humanity enslavement. At Sydney International Airport, the
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Speaker 6: New South Wales Joint Counter Terrorism Team arrested a thirty
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Speaker 6: two year old woman who is expected to be charged
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Speaker 6: tonight or tomorrow with the following two Commonwealth defenses entering
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Speaker 6: or remaining in the declared area and being a member
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Speaker 6: of a terrorist organization.
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Speaker 2: So Chief Commissioner, multiple Deputy Chief Commissioners and then the
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Speaker 2: level of assistant commissioners. Now no stand up for the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister either about these women, all the very serious
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Speaker 2: charges they face. No press conference from the government to
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Speaker 2: reassure Australians rightly concerned about the return of anyone connected
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Speaker 2: to Islamic State at the very time that we have
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Speaker 2: a Royal Commission in Sydney investigating the massacre of fifteen people,
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Speaker 2: mainly Jews, by two men the police alleged were inspired
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Speaker 2: by Islamic State now Q last night and the latest
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Speaker 2: arrived more the nineteen ISIS linked individuals flying into Melbourne
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Speaker 2: and Sydney, and as we've learned today, all assisted by
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Speaker 2: government officials through the rigmarole associated with anyone arriving into
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Speaker 2: this country and out into vehicles moving through the glare
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Speaker 2: of media cameras as quickly as possible. And so the
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Speaker 2: media conference last night from the police or what did
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Speaker 2: they tell us? Well, nothing, nothing, because there wasn't one. Indeed,
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Speaker 2: all the Australian public got was and its sweetbugger all
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Speaker 2: was this written statement issued just before eight pm confirming
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Speaker 2: it said that these ISIS linked women and children had arrived,
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Speaker 2: although not once in this statement do they use the
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Speaker 2: words Islamic State or ISIS. It's not in that written
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Speaker 2: statement anywhere. Instead it is and I quote an update
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Speaker 2: regarding a cohort of returning women and children from the
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Speaker 2: l Rage internally displaced persons camp in Syria.
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Speaker 4: Now give me a break.
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Speaker 2: The statement went on to say that police had searched
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Speaker 2: the belongings of these women and children and that their
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Speaker 2: devices were downloaded, as if those helping them leave the
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Speaker 2: Middle East would not have told them to clean their
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Speaker 2: devices anyway.
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Speaker 4: The statement went on.
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Speaker 2: It said there are no charges laid against anyone, but
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Speaker 2: that investigations into their activities remain quote ongoing. Now, bizarrely,
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Speaker 2: two other things at the bottom of this statement that
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Speaker 2: I should mention to you.
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Speaker 4: The first, it says, if you see or hear.
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Speaker 2: Anything suspicious related to national security, the police wants you
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Speaker 2: to call the National Security hotline, meaning the government lets
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Speaker 2: them all back into the country and now you're responsible
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Speaker 2: to keep your eyes peeled I mean seriously. And then
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Speaker 2: this that we recognize as the police that the information
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Speaker 2: so information about these returning women may be distressing for
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Speaker 2: some people in the community. This isn't the police statement,
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Speaker 2: and it says so if you're feeling overwhelmed, contact lifeline.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 2: You can't make this stuff up. But it gets worse.
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Speaker 2: Listen to this confirmation today that unauthorized disclosures made to
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Speaker 2: the media prior to the arrest of Ben Robert Smith
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Speaker 2: have now been referred to the National Anti Corruption Commission. Now,
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Speaker 2: nothing more clearly demonstrates the Almenezy government's position on radical
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Speaker 2: Islam than the treatment of these thirty four individuals connected
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Speaker 2: to Islamic State and the government's treatment of our soldiers.
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Speaker 2: As many of them have admitted. These women left Australia
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Speaker 2: to join Islamic State and produce what they hoped would
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Speaker 2: be the terrorists of the future, the cubs of the Caliphate.
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Speaker 2: They were called Ben Robert Smith left Australia to fight
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Speaker 2: Islamic State. And last night on this very point former
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Speaker 2: AFP official David Craig, but he didn't mince his words. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and let's be really clear here. We've got a Royal
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Speaker 2: commission underway and sending at the moment into a massacre
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Speaker 2: in December in Australia that police will allege when the
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Speaker 2: surviving gunman goes to court was linked to inspired by
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Speaker 2: Islamic State. And you and I talked about a month
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Speaker 2: ago about Islamic State using Bondai to prophlytize and to
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Speaker 2: push out their terrorism hatred around English speaking countries like Australia,
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Speaker 2: and last night we had that revelation and estimates a
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Speaker 2: shadow Attorney General, former Attorney General Macadia Cash basically resting
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Speaker 2: it out of the department that Ben Roberts Smith. A
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Speaker 2: decision on the AG's desk to sort of sign off
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Speaker 2: the prosecution warrant occurred within less than two days, but
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Speaker 2: for these mixed state connected women it took three months.
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Speaker 2: Now we know from the last time we heard from
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Speaker 2: the AFP after the last arrival, that they've been working
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Speaker 2: on the case in relation to these women for some
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Speaker 2: decade or so, from about twenty fifteen twenty sixteen. They said, So,
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Speaker 2: why so long with these women and why so quick
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Speaker 2: and so public with Ben Roberts Smith.
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Speaker 8: I would say it is a woke fear from the government.
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Speaker 8: And I'm sorry to say this, but Chrissy Barrett has
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Speaker 8: been very disappointing in this regard. I noticed that after
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Speaker 8: the Bondie shooting she made that statement that it was
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Speaker 8: not was an ideologically based attack, not based on religion.
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Speaker 8: She made that comment when the Isis Brides came back.
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Speaker 8: She wasn't even there at the press conference to lead
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Speaker 8: the charge against what the AFP were doing. She sent
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Speaker 8: an assistant commissioner. She didn't even send a deputy commissioner.
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Speaker 8: So we have a commissioner, deputy commissioner ignored. We'll just
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Speaker 8: sent an assistant Commissioner to represent the AFP. This is
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Speaker 8: a leadership. However, when it comes to Ben Robert Smith,
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Speaker 8: when it's something that won't upset the Muslim vote, then
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Speaker 8: suddenly she's happy to sit up there and make a
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Speaker 8: press conference and read out every single allegation. I think
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Speaker 8: that we are suffering from anept woke stain through the
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Speaker 8: Australian Federal Government and the Australian Federal Police.
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Speaker 7: Particularly that is.
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Speaker 2: David Craig, a former AFP Detective superintendent, a counter terrors
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Speaker 2: of experts, someone who was deployed to Afghanistan with the
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Speaker 2: AFP during the war to provide advice and investigations into international.
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Speaker 4: Law on the battlefield.
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Speaker 2: Now, later in the show, we'll speak with Liberal Senators
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Speaker 2: Shadow Attorney General Mcadia Cash, who was uncovered so much
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Speaker 2: of this issue out of Senate estimates this week. Right,
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Speaker 2: let's get to Camper. Now for the headlines, Sky newsed
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Speaker 2: political reporter Trinny.
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Speaker 9: McIntosh, faced with growing pushback, the Treasurer is considering broadening
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Speaker 9: exemptions for the proposed capital gains tax changes.
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Speaker 10: You don't have a consultation process if you already know
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Speaker 10: the outcomes.
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Speaker 9: Small businesses are pleading with the Government to extend existing
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Speaker 9: CGT carve outs to companies with the turnover of up
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Speaker 9: to ten million dollars, while the Chamber of Commerce want
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Speaker 9: to complete overhaul, calling on the Treasurer for the new
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Speaker 9: rules to apply to housing only.
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Speaker 10: You will not create stronger investment in Australia if you
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Speaker 10: put more tax on business investment. There's a legitimate conversation
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Speaker 10: going on with the small business sector, for example, but
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Speaker 10: it's important that we apply this change broadly so that
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Speaker 10: we don't introduce another layer of distortions.
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Speaker 11: Small businesses and farmers were already in trouble before this
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Speaker 11: budget and now it's getting a whole low worse.
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Speaker 9: Labour's tax changes will be introduced to the House tomorrow.
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Speaker 9: The Coalition is trying to wedge the government by threatening
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Speaker 9: to withhold support for NDIS savings.
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Speaker 7: We're going to use maximum leverage.
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Speaker 9: And Australia's inflation rate has eased from a three year high,
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Speaker 9: but it's still well above the Reserve Bank's target range.
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Speaker 9: Headline inflation dropped to four point two percent in April,
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Speaker 9: down point four percent. Underlying inflation ticked up slightly to
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Speaker 9: three point four percent.
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Speaker 10: We understand that inflation is too high.
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Speaker 9: The cut to the fuel excise on April one helped
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Speaker 9: mask price pressures. Fuel prices fell by seven percent from
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Speaker 9: March to April. It had jumped nearly thirty three percent
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Speaker 9: the month prior, and prices are still up twenty three
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Speaker 9: percent compared to before the Iran war broke out in February.
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Speaker 9: The Treasurer is now all but confirming the three month
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Speaker 9: excise relief won't continue beyond June thirty.
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Speaker 10: It's not our We're not anticipating extending that or expecting
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Speaker 10: to extend it, but we keep it under review.
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Speaker 9: Trudy Macintosh Sky News camebra.
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Speaker 2: All right, as I said, the busy day and Canberra.
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Speaker 2: We'll go through some of the issues now send your reporter.
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Speaker 2: Carolyn Marcus joins me and the national affairs editor at
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Speaker 2: the Data Telegraph, Sky host James Morrow. We'll start with
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Speaker 2: those women who returned last night linked to Islamic state
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Speaker 2: with children. The best photograph we got is this one,
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Speaker 2: Love kalso khanj As She and others were whisked away
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Speaker 2: from the Melbourne airport. As we know, they were whisked
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Speaker 2: away with the support of officials on the tarmac and beyond.
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Speaker 2: In the Australian Today, Caro, there's a quote from the
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Speaker 2: father of one of the Sydney women, Nezrin Zahab. He
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Speaker 2: says she's sorry that she's put us in this situation.
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Speaker 2: He went on to thank Australia and the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albernezy. He even said he a daughter now wants
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Speaker 2: to go back to studying nursing. I don't know if
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Speaker 2: I want to wake up from an operation and find
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Speaker 2: her around the nursing bed. But you tell me what
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Speaker 2: you make of last night.
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Speaker 12: It was incredible. First about the nursing comments. I mean,
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Speaker 12: how comfortable would you, who your loved ones feel Beewer's
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Speaker 12: at home if you went to hospital and someone who
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Speaker 12: had left Australia to join this barbaric Islami's death cult
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Speaker 12: of a terror group was in charge of looking after
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Speaker 12: you and your care. I know I would have a
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Speaker 12: few misgivings. But last night, I mean I was just
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Speaker 12: appalled by the red carpet treatment that these women got.
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Speaker 12: They were escorted out of a side door to avoid
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Speaker 12: the media. They were taken to waiting cars, put up
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Speaker 12: in a hotel, They had pizza deliveries, They had riot
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Speaker 12: squad protecting them at their hotel. And you know, we'll
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Speaker 12: talk about Ben Roberts Smith soon again, Peter, But you're right,
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Speaker 12: the contrast between the treatment of the two groups is
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Speaker 12: just astonishing. And yet again this time with the second cohort,
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Speaker 12: and I'll make the point again, not a single arrest
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Speaker 12: or charge of any of these women in the second cohort,
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Speaker 12: But yet again we saw violence perpetrated on members of
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Speaker 12: the media. You'll well remember when the first cohort arrived,
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Speaker 12: there were female journalists who were punched, who were being
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Speaker 12: called sluts. This time a photographer had his camera pushed
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Speaker 12: into his face by a supporter of these women. So
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Speaker 12: they're clearly still associating.
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Speaker 4: With violent brutes.
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Speaker 12: But in the interview with that family that you showed,
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Speaker 12: the quote from the father, the brother of the same
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Speaker 12: woman said that it is people who say that these
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Speaker 12: women shouldn't come home. We're the ones that should be
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Speaker 12: leaving the country. And I think it is very telling
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Speaker 12: that the family at thanking the Prime Minister he weren't
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Speaker 12: like that because the government had been trying to say
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Speaker 12: all along we had nothing to do with repatrating them. Well,
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Speaker 12: I'm sorry, but it was your department that issued them
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Speaker 12: Australian passports that they could come back, So don't give
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Speaker 12: me any of that.
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Speaker 2: Well, and we know, as you just mentioned there that
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Speaker 2: there were police involved with them last night, protecting them
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Speaker 2: at hotels and other things. We saw obviously in the
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Speaker 2: Australian too, a reference today to a covert extraction. Now, James,
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Speaker 2: I would to know more about how they got out
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Speaker 2: of Syria. We know those reports are there that the
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Speaker 2: Syrian government paid for their airfares, were their hired paramilitary
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Speaker 2: types involved, former soldiers etc. Involved from Australia or other countries.
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Speaker 2: How involved were the police and authorities in and around
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Speaker 2: their departure from Sydney and Melbourne last night away from
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Speaker 2: the media cameras. This is not run of the meal stuff.
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Speaker 2: And I'll say for people at home. Under Australian law,
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Speaker 2: airport's are the responsibility of the federal government. So this
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Speaker 2: goes all the way up to the Prime Minister's desk
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Speaker 2: in camera. So this idea that they gave them no help,
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Speaker 2: no assistance, let's call the BS on that.
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Speaker 13: And what happened at the airport last night. You know
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Speaker 13: again that is the AFP, that's Chrissy Barrett, who as
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Speaker 13: I think the person you were seeing in your editorial
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Speaker 13: there has said, has been quite the disappointment. But you know,
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Speaker 13: watching all of this, Peter, I just wonder whose side
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Speaker 13: the government on. I know they get up and say, oh,
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Speaker 13: we abhor what these people are all about. We abhor
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Speaker 13: isis we had nothing to do with their repatriation. We
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Speaker 13: have nothing to do with that sack of thirty five
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Speaker 13: passports that just happened to get delivered to them and
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Speaker 13: everything else that went along with that. But I'll tell
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Speaker 13: you what I feel like, Peter, in his heart of hearts,
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Speaker 13: if Tony Burke could have been there with a dozen
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Speaker 13: long step roses for every one of these ladies at
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Speaker 13: the airport, he would have been all right. You know,
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Speaker 13: we know how the politics of this, We know how
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Speaker 13: the politics of this plays out. We know that what
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Speaker 13: they were trying to do here was to minimize was
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Speaker 13: trying to minimize the kerfuffle like they saw at Melbourne
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Speaker 13: a couple of weeks ago, and that's why they tried
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Speaker 13: to sneak them at the back door and everything like that,
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Speaker 13: which of course made it an even bigger circus. I mean,
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Speaker 13: you think Elvis Presley had returned from the dead or
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Speaker 13: something like that. But it is just it's a disgrace
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Speaker 13: the way this whole thing has been handled. And there's
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Speaker 13: a very smart piece it's up on the Daily Telegraph
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Speaker 13: website now it's going to be in tomorrow's paper by
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Speaker 13: Peter Curty, a very smart thinker about how if this
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Speaker 13: is going to be resolved, we need to see contrition
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Speaker 13: from these women for going and joining up with this group,
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Speaker 13: whatever it is that they may have done there. And
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Speaker 13: that's the only way that we as a society, a
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Speaker 13: liberal society, can protect our values.
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Speaker 2: Why would be harder than that. I don't care how
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Speaker 2: many tears they cry. They are forever in the pro
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Speaker 2: terror camp. I'm not saying they're terrorists. That's a matter
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Speaker 2: for of the courts, but in the pro terror camp,
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Speaker 2: as far as I am concerned, I've had too many
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Speaker 2: security briefings about what was done by supporters of Islamic
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Speaker 2: State in those countries at that time to ever ever
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Speaker 2: be for turning on this. Ben Roberts Smith today, this
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Speaker 2: is interesting. There's been these unauthorized media disclosures. Well, we
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Speaker 2: know that we know the rumors that Nick Mackenzie from
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Speaker 2: the Nine Papers had his story about the arrests written
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Speaker 2: the night before. Of course we know Nine was there
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Speaker 2: with its cameras exclusively before the AFP had issued its vision.
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Speaker 2: But Caroline, all of this and who leaked what has
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Speaker 2: now been referred to the National Anti Corruption Commission. Well,
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Speaker 2: I hope we get an outcome because a lot goes
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Speaker 2: into that place, not much comes out, And I'd like
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Speaker 2: to see a proper report and all the disclosures.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, look at that would be good to see because
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Speaker 12: clearly there was a leak from somewhere, and I've been
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Speaker 12: told by sources close to Ben Roberts smith legal team
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Speaker 12: that they believe it came from someone within the AFP
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Speaker 12: or multiple people within the AIRP. Even if it wasn't
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Speaker 12: a leadership decision to leak this to Nine. They had
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Speaker 12: I'm told, up to a dozen cameras at the airport
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Speaker 12: in different locations waiting for Ben Robert Smith. They knew
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Speaker 12: the arrest was happening that day somewhere in the airport,
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Speaker 12: they didn't know exactly where. They still managed to get
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Speaker 12: a shot. And again, why was he paraded in front
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Speaker 12: of their cameras and a peace cameras in such a
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Speaker 12: public way in front of his traumatized children. When we
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Speaker 12: see the ICE's brides, the women get such a different treatment.
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Speaker 12: We still haven't had that explanation. And even though this
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Speaker 12: matter has been referred now to the National corruption watchdog,
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Speaker 12: the office that's done that, the one that's investigating Australian
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Speaker 12: soldiers in Afghanistan, has still defended how that arrest operation
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Speaker 12: took place and is refusing to disclose why it had
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Speaker 12: to be carried out in that manner. When Ben Roberts
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Speaker 12: Smith's legal teams say he's offered several times to hand
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Speaker 12: himself in if there were ever to be an arrest,
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Speaker 12: why wasn't he given that option? Well, budget estimates was
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Speaker 12: told last night we can't say because it's still before
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Speaker 12: the courts. I mean, how convenient.
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Speaker 4: We'll leave it there.
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Speaker 2: Oh, actually I do want to ask you just quickly
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Speaker 2: for I can James before we go. It's a bit
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Speaker 2: of a movable feast at the moment. On techs, we
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Speaker 2: look like, well, we look like we might get changes,
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Speaker 2: to know, the government sort of flailing around. But what
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Speaker 2: concerns me is we're not getting an exposure draft of
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Speaker 2: the bill as you normally would with complex, complex legislation
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Speaker 2: like this. Instead, they're going to put it into the Parliament,
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Speaker 2: ram it through the House unamended, take it off to
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Speaker 2: the Senate, do the consultation up there, and then retro
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Speaker 2: fit the legislation. Now, I'd say to all the MPs
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Speaker 2: in the lower House that are going to vote for
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Speaker 2: this thing, how can you vote for something in the
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Speaker 2: lower House that you know is going to be changed
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Speaker 2: in the upper house. You should be demanding that what
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Speaker 2: you vote for is best the final product, and the
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Speaker 2: government should come clean, as I said, with an exposure
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Speaker 2: draft and be very upfront with the consultations as opposed
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Speaker 2: to this as we know that they do behind closed doors,
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Speaker 2: forcing anyone consulting with them to sign these non disclosure agreements.
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Speaker 13: Well yeah, I mean, you know, watching this whole thing,
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Speaker 13: I'm a little bit reminded of what was it they
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Speaker 13: said during the Obamacare debate in the United States. You know,
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Speaker 13: you have to vote for the bill to find out
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Speaker 13: what's in it. You know, this is not how democracy
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Speaker 13: should work. What you're talking about, the NDA is absolutely
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Speaker 13: disgraceful and this has been a hallmark of this government
21:09
Speaker 13: since they came into power. Every industry group I've spoken
21:13
Speaker 13: to you said, we can't talk about you know, what
21:16
Speaker 13: they're talking about, what they want to talk about, what
21:17
Speaker 13: we've said to them, because you know, we have to
21:19
Speaker 13: side of these NDAs. And of course they're all in
21:22
Speaker 13: highly regulated environments and therefore they have to play ball
21:25
Speaker 13: because otherwise the government has a huge lever over them,
21:29
Speaker 13: which is disgraceful. But this goes well beyond the exposure draft, Peter.
21:33
Speaker 13: This goes to the fact that you know, like a
21:35
Speaker 13: week before the budget, Anthony Albanezi was getting all snippy
21:38
Speaker 13: when he said, oh, I said fifty times. I said
21:40
Speaker 13: fifty times. You know, we're not touching this stuff, and
21:43
Speaker 13: of course they did. The only way you get a
21:46
Speaker 13: major change like this through is you've got to take
21:49
Speaker 13: the country on a journey. You've run campaigns, Peter, you
21:51
Speaker 13: know this. Everybody out there knows this. They didn't do it.
21:54
Speaker 13: They sprung it on us the last minute, and it's
21:57
Speaker 13: a mess.
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Speaker 4: We will leave it there now.
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Speaker 2: Thank you to you both. Let's go out of those
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Speaker 2: revelations out of Senate estimates. This week, government officials revealing
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Speaker 2: the time it took for the Attorney General to sign
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Speaker 2: off the consent to prosecute the women with alleged links
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Speaker 2: to ISIS compared to the time it took in relation
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Speaker 2: to Ben Roberts Smith.
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Speaker 14: Just in terms of the consent to prosecute, how long
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Speaker 14: did it take the Attorney General to sign off on
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Speaker 14: the ISIS bride's consent to prosecute.
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Speaker 10: The CDPP wrote to the Department seeking the attorney's consent
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Speaker 10: on the twentieth of November twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 14: Twentieth of November twenty twenty five and the consent was
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Speaker 14: provided on the fifteenth of December, So approximately just over
22:48
Speaker 14: three weeks compared to the one day with Ben Robert Smith.
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Speaker 2: Okay, right, someone who has played a blinder in estimates
22:57
Speaker 2: this week across a number of issues, will go through them.
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Speaker 2: Shadow Attorney General Macadia Cashho joins me now, Senator. Three
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Speaker 2: weeks for the ISIS linked women, one day maybe two
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Speaker 2: at best for Ben Robert Smith. And this is to
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Speaker 2: a minister, so to a political elected individual. What does
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Speaker 2: this tell you?
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Speaker 14: Well, I think it tells the Australian people a lot
23:21
Speaker 14: about this government's priorities, and I think they're entitled to
23:25
Speaker 14: ask the question Prime Minister, whose side are you on
23:29
Speaker 14: in the case of a decorated war hero who received
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Speaker 14: Peter our highest award, the Victoria Cross, who fought in
23:37
Speaker 14: Afghanistan to defend the freedoms that the Isis Brides turned
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Speaker 14: their backs on, and the Attorney General turns the consent
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Speaker 14: to prosecute around in around a day to two days,
23:51
Speaker 14: and then it comes to the Isis brides. That was
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Speaker 14: an extraordinary revelation, women who consciously turned their backs and
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Speaker 14: everything that Ben Roberts Smith fought for and defended. And
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Speaker 14: the process takes a very long time. That there's a saying,
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Speaker 14: isn't there in life? Would you take that person into
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Speaker 14: the trenches with me?
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Speaker 4: Well, I can I tell you.
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Speaker 14: When I look at mister Alberesi, the answer is no,
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Speaker 14: because I have to ask him a question.
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Speaker 4: Whose side are you on?
24:21
Speaker 14: Mister Albanesi, Well, you're not wrong.
24:25
Speaker 2: I wouldn't play your comments last night on my show.
24:28
Speaker 2: From former AFP Detective Superintendent David Craig, this is in
24:31
Speaker 2: response to the work you did around the definitions and
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Speaker 2: the rules of engagement that our soldiers were given when
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Speaker 2: they went to Afghanistan and the imbalance in the justifications
24:43
Speaker 2: now around the charges that have been laid. He says,
24:48
Speaker 2: the times come for these war crime definitions to be
24:52
Speaker 2: investigated as they have been changed. You've worked this out.
24:55
Speaker 2: They were changed, and our soldiers are our bearing the brunt,
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Speaker 2: this covit change by the alban Eazy governmentalism.
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Speaker 8: Before you go to a war zone, the rules of
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Speaker 8: engagement and the legalities of your engagement are explained very carefully,
25:11
Speaker 8: and they would have been explained within the context of
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Speaker 8: the law as it was at the time. You can't
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Speaker 8: send people over on under one law. They come back
25:18
Speaker 8: and then you say, oh, we've just changed the law.
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Speaker 8: Now it's easy to prove that you're guilty of an
25:21
Speaker 8: offense that wouldn't have existed under the previous law. It's
25:25
Speaker 8: simply unt Australian, not fair.
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Speaker 2: He's right as any senator.
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Speaker 14: Well, that's the fundamental point in Australia. You are judged
25:34
Speaker 14: on the law as it stood at the time, and
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Speaker 14: as he so articulately says, our soldiers went to war
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Speaker 14: under conditions explained to them by the government at the time.
25:46
Speaker 14: And now it appears that the government actually retrospectively changed
25:52
Speaker 14: the test under which they can be prosecuted. And I
25:56
Speaker 14: have to say, Peter, this is despite the very clear
25:59
Speaker 14: assurance that the Parliament was given by the Attorney General
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Speaker 14: at the time, Mark Dreyfus, that this small change did
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Speaker 14: not change.
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Speaker 4: The intent of the law.
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Speaker 14: Well, that is now seriously in question, and the question
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Speaker 14: that now needs to be asked is this, did this
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Speaker 14: government knowingly change the goalposts on our soldiers so that
26:23
Speaker 14: it was easier to prosecute them? I think it is
26:25
Speaker 14: a live question and this government does have to give
26:29
Speaker 14: answers to the Australian people.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the suggestion that the Albaneza governments also
26:36
Speaker 2: trying to block the release of information about whether Cabinet
26:40
Speaker 2: directed our intelligence agencies is all around Bondai to focus
26:44
Speaker 2: less on counter terrorism.
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Speaker 4: Yep, Senator Well, Peter, this is utterly extraordinary.
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Speaker 14: There are very very serious questions to be answered by
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Speaker 14: mister Albanesi. Did your government direct our agencies to focus
27:08
Speaker 14: less on counter terrorism?
27:09
Speaker 4: Because sadly last.
27:11
Speaker 14: Year there was the slaughter of fifteen people on Bondi Beach,
27:16
Speaker 14: and instead of being upfront and transparent with the Australian people,
27:20
Speaker 14: what does mister Albanesi do? He reaches for yet another excuse.
27:26
Speaker 14: There's a very simple proposition.
27:27
Speaker 4: Here, Peter.
27:29
Speaker 14: If mister Alberzi has nothing to hide, then why won't
27:33
Speaker 14: he released the information? And we all know the answer
27:36
Speaker 14: to that, because the Royal Commission itself has already exposed
27:40
Speaker 14: the fact that under this government, counter terrorism funding in
27:45
Speaker 14: certain areas has fundamentally declined. So yet again another cover
27:50
Speaker 14: up by the Alberanese government.
27:52
Speaker 4: And again it goes.
27:53
Speaker 14: To that basic question, mister Alberanesi, in God's name, whose
27:58
Speaker 14: side are you actually? Because I tell you, Peter, I
28:02
Speaker 14: don't think it's the side of the Australian people.
28:06
Speaker 2: We also know, though two senators, some units inside ASIO,
28:11
Speaker 2: whether they were al Qaeda linked or ISIS linked, they
28:14
Speaker 2: were shut down. We also know the Prime Minister for
28:17
Speaker 2: at least two and a bit years of his first term,
28:20
Speaker 2: had booted out of the National Security Committee of cabinet,
28:24
Speaker 2: had booted out the head of ASIO and the head
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Speaker 2: of AFP, but he put in the Climate Change minister
28:30
Speaker 2: into the National Security Cabinet.
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Speaker 14: Go figure, Go figure, And again it goes to the
28:35
Speaker 14: priorities of this government. National security. You saw it last night,
28:40
Speaker 14: you know, Houston, we have touchdown more ISIS brides arrived
28:44
Speaker 14: back in Australia. I mean it is an attart disgrace
28:48
Speaker 14: this Prime Minister. Whose side are you on? Because it's
28:52
Speaker 14: not the side of Australians.
28:55
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to what I would regard as
28:56
Speaker 2: a Monty Python skit if it wasn't so serious life.
29:00
Speaker 2: This is your exchange with Anna Cody. She is our
29:03
Speaker 2: Sex Discrimination commissioner in estimates a whole lot of discussion
29:07
Speaker 2: you had with her about trans women, So biological men
29:11
Speaker 2: and pregnancy.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen transwomen. If someone is who applies for
29:19
Speaker 3: a job, for example, yes, and it is a trans woman,
29:24
Speaker 3: and she may be asked whether or not she intends
29:28
Speaker 3: to have children, and if she replies yes I do,
29:32
Speaker 3: and then doesn't get the job because that employer doesn't
29:35
Speaker 3: want to employ women who may be of childbearing age,
29:40
Speaker 3: then she may have been subjected to unlawful discrimination on
29:44
Speaker 3: the basis of potential pregnancy.
29:48
Speaker 4: I'm very confused. A biological male can't become pregnant, but.
29:53
Speaker 3: The grounds of pregnancy includes potential pregnancy as well as pregnancy.
29:58
Speaker 14: But if they can't become pregnant, how can you then
30:01
Speaker 14: become potentially pregnant.
30:04
Speaker 3: It's about the unlawful treatment by the employer. If someone
30:09
Speaker 3: is treated unfairly on the basis of pregnancy or potential pregnancy,
30:14
Speaker 3: then that is unlawful discrimination on the basis of pregnancy.
30:20
Speaker 2: All right, This all stands from legal changes at Julia
30:22
Speaker 2: Gillard made two days two days before she was rolled
30:27
Speaker 2: by Kevin Right in twenty thirteen. Anyone that she's now
30:30
Speaker 2: getting heckled in the United Kingdom as people understand this
30:34
Speaker 2: mess is on her head. When are we going to
30:38
Speaker 2: fix these laws? They are embarrassing globally, absolutely embarrassing. But
30:43
Speaker 2: this idea that someone without a uterus gets discriminatory protection
30:48
Speaker 2: for potential pregnancy. I can't believe we're even having this conversation,
30:52
Speaker 2: Micalie Cash.
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Speaker 4: But this is a point that I was trying to
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Speaker 4: make last night.
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Speaker 14: Unless I missed that class, It's school, biological men cannot
31:03
Speaker 14: have babies. They also can't potentially have babies, no matter
31:08
Speaker 14: which way you cut it. I hate to tell the
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Speaker 14: Sex Discrimination Commissioner who has paid your listeners might like
31:13
Speaker 14: to know over four hundred thousand dollars a year top
31:18
Speaker 14: one percent of salary owners in Australia. And she wanted
31:22
Speaker 14: to argue last night that biological men even if they
31:26
Speaker 14: consider themselves women can have babies. Get over yourself. But
31:29
Speaker 14: do you know what a proved last night, Peter. The
31:32
Speaker 14: law is an ass. And when the law is an ass,
31:35
Speaker 14: do you know what you have to do?
31:36
Speaker 4: You have to change it. Because quite frankly, Mum and Dad.
31:39
Speaker 14: Australia would have been sitting back last night and saying Canbra.
31:43
Speaker 4: Has totally lost the plot.
31:45
Speaker 14: Canbra is crazy and Angus Taylor has made it very
31:49
Speaker 14: clear we are going to just be a government of
31:52
Speaker 14: common sense.
31:53
Speaker 4: Common sense tells.
31:54
Speaker 14: You that sex is biological, sex cannot change, and we
31:58
Speaker 14: will change the Sex Discrimination Act to ensure that that
32:02
Speaker 14: biological reality is reflected. It's not radical, I hate to
32:06
Speaker 14: tell all the lefties out there. It is common sense
32:09
Speaker 14: and nothing more. And I have to say the clip
32:12
Speaker 14: that went viral last night global feedback. Even Martina Navratolova
32:17
Speaker 14: commented on the absurdity of the exchange men can't get pregnant.
32:25
Speaker 2: It's crazy. We are in crazy times. Makayi Cash, thank
32:27
Speaker 2: you and we've got you in there. Certainly best on
32:30
Speaker 2: ground thus far. I'll get you that. Martina de radlov
32:34
Speaker 2: grab a little later in the show, Okay, after the break.
32:37
Speaker 2: This farmer arrested after power company workers went on his
32:42
Speaker 2: private land. The police were called. You will not believe
32:46
Speaker 2: what happened next. And just a quick one welcome back
32:54
Speaker 2: that the woman who defeated Ali Francis her name, the
32:56
Speaker 2: labor woman who defeated Peter Dutton for the set of
32:59
Speaker 2: Dixon and Queen, has been referred to the Electoral Commission
33:03
Speaker 2: over voting enrollment irregularities. We get more on that investigation
33:10
Speaker 2: and we'll certainly let you know. But now at an
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Speaker 2: extraordinary chain of events that led to a Victorian farmer
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Speaker 2: being arrested and charged after confronting a power company contractor
33:19
Speaker 2: on his private land. Now, farmers along the proposed V
33:22
Speaker 2: and I West Renewable Energy Corridor, which stretches from western
33:27
Speaker 2: Victoria into New South Wales, have been fighting to stop
33:30
Speaker 2: contractors accessing their land ever since the Allen Labor state
33:35
Speaker 2: government ran through new laws granting expanded land access powers.
33:41
Speaker 2: When farmer Bregg Baldwin says he spotted a contractor erecting
33:44
Speaker 2: signs on his property, he called the police, only for
33:48
Speaker 2: officers to allegedly seize his firearms and arrest both him
33:52
Speaker 2: and his son on assault charges. Now all of the
33:56
Speaker 2: chargers have since been dropped, but the incidents become a
34:00
Speaker 2: major flashpoint in the grind controversy around this V and
34:03
Speaker 2: I West project, which could see transmission towers built across
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Speaker 2: vast parts of our best and most productive farmland in
34:11
Speaker 2: Victoria and New South Wales. Green Baldwin joins me. Now, Greg,
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Speaker 2: thank you for your time. I mean this, this worries me.
34:20
Speaker 2: I've covered the V and I West line in your
34:23
Speaker 2: area of Victoria now for a couple of years, and
34:25
Speaker 2: we want to keep covering it to see it abandoned
34:29
Speaker 2: and you allowed to farm your land. You say, when
34:33
Speaker 2: the power company representative was on your property, you confronted him,
34:38
Speaker 2: explain then what happened?
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Speaker 7: Well, thanks for having us plea of it.
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Speaker 11: I was coming down the road and I could see
34:45
Speaker 11: see I didn't know it was like from from from
34:49
Speaker 11: Victrid at the time, I just didn't know who it was.
34:52
Speaker 11: And he'd been in our paddic close to Thorobury horses
34:55
Speaker 11: that I look after. And he moved to the car
34:58
Speaker 11: and then he he tried to sort of looks a
35:01
Speaker 11: bit suspicious. He tried to get away, drive away, so
35:04
Speaker 11: I stopped him on the side of the road and
35:06
Speaker 11: sort of asked him who he was, and I realized
35:08
Speaker 11: he'd been on a place he'd been passed our by
35:10
Speaker 11: security sign.
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Speaker 7: So I was pretty keen to know who he was
35:13
Speaker 7: and what he was up to. So I rang the
35:16
Speaker 7: police m just quickly.
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people who aren't farmers or
35:21
Speaker 2: aren't country people don't understand that. You were always concerned.
35:24
Speaker 2: Farmers are always concerned about strangers on their land, in
35:27
Speaker 2: particularly because of bio hazards, aren't you.
35:31
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, And this particular spot on our farm, I
35:34
Speaker 11: look after race horses and we can't have we can't
35:36
Speaker 11: afford to have people just wandering in there for their
35:38
Speaker 11: own sake and for the for the safety of the
35:40
Speaker 11: animals as well. So it was a total fire band
35:43
Speaker 11: as well, which were so yeah, we were on high alert,
35:46
Speaker 11: and when someone was poking around acting strange, I was
35:49
Speaker 11: pretty keen to know it was. And we've had these
35:51
Speaker 11: power people sort of stalking around the place for years,
35:55
Speaker 11: really giving.
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Speaker 7: Us all sorts of grief. So we were alert to
35:59
Speaker 7: the fact that we have somebody stranger around the place.
36:01
Speaker 7: We'd get onto it, you know.
36:03
Speaker 2: So you got firearms confiscated here too. There were licensed
36:07
Speaker 2: guns which you keep for pest control and other things.
36:10
Speaker 2: Why did the police take them.
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Speaker 7: Due to the nature of the crime, is what they said.
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Speaker 11: And there was no crime, so that they were I
36:22
Speaker 11: wasn't accused of an assault. I was accused of false imprisonment,
36:26
Speaker 11: and that none of those things happened at all. So
36:30
Speaker 11: what I did, I asked the blog to wait until
36:32
Speaker 11: the police got there. And when the police got there,
36:34
Speaker 11: he said that he was restrained and couldn't couldn't leave,
36:37
Speaker 11: even though he had security with him.
36:42
Speaker 2: So you asked him to say because you'd call the police,
36:45
Speaker 2: and because he stated then claimed that it falsely imprisoned him.
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Speaker 7: Correct, That's correct.
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Speaker 11: And I knew that I knew that the new laws
36:54
Speaker 11: had been passed it about letting authorize officers, that there
36:59
Speaker 11: was a change in the law there, but I knew
37:01
Speaker 11: knew they were in place at the time, but I
37:02
Speaker 11: didn't realize that it allowed people just to wander I
37:05
Speaker 11: really nearly without any any prior knowledge to us, and
37:09
Speaker 11: also passed the by a security, which is very important
37:12
Speaker 11: to us.
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, you find the land with your son,
37:17
Speaker 2: your father farmed it before you. How's your neighbors and
37:21
Speaker 2: other locals responded to the action that was taken against you.
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Speaker 7: They're just shocked that. They're just completely shocked.
37:29
Speaker 11: And like so, Vick group were coming back in a
37:33
Speaker 11: few months time after this incident happened, and they they've
37:37
Speaker 11: been trying to get onto our property for a while
37:39
Speaker 11: and they were due to come back, and there was
37:40
Speaker 11: they were going to go to about twenty odd places
37:43
Speaker 11: using this new law, and it just coming side that
37:47
Speaker 11: that was the time I was going to be at
37:49
Speaker 11: the magistrate's court. And all the other farmers knew that,
37:51
Speaker 11: and they knew that I hadn guns taken off me,
37:54
Speaker 11: even though they were sure I hadn't done anything wrong.
37:57
Speaker 7: And it turns out there was no chances there and whatsoever.
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Speaker 11: So it just sort of adds up that put a
38:03
Speaker 11: lot of pressure on on the people right through the
38:07
Speaker 11: line there that if you stand up to them, you know,
38:09
Speaker 11: you might get into a bit of strife.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly before we go, Greg, the federal coalition they
38:16
Speaker 2: are up your way.
38:17
Speaker 4: Last week, this.
38:18
Speaker 2: Is the liberals and the nat stuff said that they
38:20
Speaker 2: will scrap any federal money going into the v and
38:24
Speaker 2: I were stiff elected. The Victorian Liberals, though they say
38:27
Speaker 2: they're just going to review it. Right, Labor's going to
38:29
Speaker 2: keep it, they're going to review it. The federal guys
38:32
Speaker 2: say they're going to scrap it. Is review it good
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Speaker 2: enough for you?
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Speaker 7: No, not at all, Not at all. It's got to
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Speaker 7: be scrapped.
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Speaker 11: It's just a dud project altogether. It's going to cost
38:43
Speaker 11: heaps of money, and it's unnecessary to being proven. It's
38:45
Speaker 11: unnecessary and it's just another sort of big buill, crupt,
38:48
Speaker 11: big bill coming from the city. So we're going to
38:52
Speaker 11: fight it all the way.
38:54
Speaker 2: Well, I'm in your corner. I'll keep coming back to
38:56
Speaker 2: this story. Thanks so much for joining me. Great All right,
39:02
Speaker 2: after the break, we'll get into some other issues with
39:04
Speaker 2: my panel, including this huge shakeup to the doll that
39:08
Speaker 2: was announced today, But questions are real about whether or
39:12
Speaker 2: not it's going to make it easier or harder.
39:20
Speaker 4: Welcome back.
39:21
Speaker 2: You sent me some names for the new Teal Party.
39:24
Speaker 2: We'll get to those with kel and some other words.
39:26
Speaker 2: But news today that the pms A ordered the biggest
39:28
Speaker 2: shakeup of the employment service system is three decades, authorizing
39:33
Speaker 2: development to what the government's calling fair and proportionate mutual
39:37
Speaker 2: obligation rules for working age welfare recipients. It comes amid
39:42
Speaker 2: rising unemployment across the country. At the end of March,
39:45
Speaker 2: there were one point three million working age Australians receiving
39:48
Speaker 2: Job Seeker, Youth Allowance and single parenting payments, including just
39:53
Speaker 2: over four hundred thousand recipients under the age of thirty four.
39:58
Speaker 2: Heats that discuss this and more his host Jamie Rodgers,
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Speaker 2: Senior Fellow at the MENSIS Research Center, Nick Cator, Nick,
40:05
Speaker 2: welcome and Jamie two.
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Speaker 4: I'll start there with you.
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Speaker 5: Nick.
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Speaker 2: This we're told, I'm told quietly from public servants that
40:14
Speaker 2: I know in Canberra the intent real is to water
40:17
Speaker 2: down mutual obligations and they're already a long way away
40:22
Speaker 2: from where it was with Howard and work for the
40:24
Speaker 2: doll and even Tony Abbott's rule that you had to
40:27
Speaker 2: earn or learn it couldn't just be sitting on new
40:32
Speaker 2: stuff for the rest of your life. I mean, these
40:34
Speaker 2: numbers are extraordinary and our bill, our welfare bill, is unaffordable.
40:47
Speaker 1: This club speech today, of course, made a lot of
40:49
Speaker 1: the fact that there's more than a million jobs being
40:51
Speaker 1: created in Australia and unemployment is relatively low. But what
40:56
Speaker 1: she didn't tell us is that disability that supports has
41:00
Speaker 1: gone up, a job seeker has gone up, Youth allowance
41:04
Speaker 1: has gone up about twenty percent, and most alarmingly, I
41:07
Speaker 1: think there's been a huge increase since this government came
41:10
Speaker 1: to power in our youth benefit claimants amongst younger people,
41:15
Speaker 1: people under thirty five. So there is a real problem here.
41:18
Speaker 1: People are more people are going onto welfare payments, they're
41:21
Speaker 1: on them for longer, and this needs to be reversed because,
41:25
Speaker 1: as Mark Latham usays a the best form of welfare
41:28
Speaker 1: is a job, which Amie, you know it used to be.
41:33
Speaker 2: The whole point of mutual obligation is that recipients had
41:36
Speaker 2: to understand this is only a short term payment and
41:39
Speaker 2: you're obliged to get out there.
41:41
Speaker 4: And look for work.
41:42
Speaker 2: And if you don't take work, my view is it
41:45
Speaker 2: should be cut off.
41:47
Speaker 15: Yeah, absolutely, Peter, and I think we also have to
41:50
Speaker 15: remember that back in twenty twenty two, when the Albanezer
41:53
Speaker 15: government first came into power, then Employment Minister Tony Burke
41:58
Speaker 15: started to water down some of these mutual obligations that
42:01
Speaker 15: the coalition had in place, things like how many job
42:04
Speaker 15: applications they had to do, or how many job searchers
42:07
Speaker 15: were required, and then in twenty twenty three there was
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Speaker 15: that employment white paper that was handed down. So it's
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Speaker 15: taken a few years for the Albanezi government to act
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Speaker 15: on that white paper. But to your point, we need
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Speaker 15: to be doing everything we can to ensure that people
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Speaker 15: are incentivized to want to go out and get a job.
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Speaker 15: Having numbers close to one point four million that are
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Speaker 15: currently out of work, but staggering it's those that are
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Speaker 15: under that thirty five where it's just over four hundred thousand.
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Speaker 15: We don't want to end up like the UK Peter
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Speaker 15: where more people are on welfare benefits than what's coming
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Speaker 15: in with income tax revenue. But we seemed like we
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Speaker 15: are heading in that direction.
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Speaker 2: Niko, I want to pick up some stuff that happened
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Speaker 2: at the labor conference on the weekend, controversial motions. Now
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Speaker 2: this is the state labor conference. What concerns me is
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Speaker 2: there is a federal labor conference coming up. It's at
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Speaker 2: the end of July. And of course they then developed
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Speaker 2: the platform and that platform is binding.
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Speaker 4: And we know with that.
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Speaker 2: The hard left, the socialist left, which has now basically
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Speaker 2: got the numbers inside the ALP that the position on Israel,
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Speaker 2: that the position against Jews, against definitions about things like
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Speaker 2: the Callocaust, all those people fear are on the table
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Speaker 2: and up for grabs.
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Speaker 1: It's fascinating to see this occur in Victoria last week
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Speaker 1: and again at a federal level, because you realized that
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Speaker 1: Penny Wong and the Prime Minister are being relatively moderate
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Speaker 1: on Palestine and Israel compared to the extremists within their
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Speaker 1: own party that want to go way out there on
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Speaker 1: a green ticket, from the river to the sea, the
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Speaker 1: whole lot of it. But this is the problem that
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Speaker 1: Labor has. You know, Anthony ALBINIZI can try to present
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Speaker 1: the face of the man in the center of politics,
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Speaker 1: but his party is way out there to the left,
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Speaker 1: and increasingly so, particularly the younger people who he seems
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Speaker 1: to want to attract. So he has to hold the
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Speaker 1: ground here. But look, he's already given away far too much.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a disgrace that our whole policy towards Israel,
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Speaker 1: our support for Israel, which goes back to nineteen forty eight,
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Speaker 1: has now virtually disappeared. I mean, Israel I don't think
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Speaker 1: would consider us a reliable Alay Perhaps it wouldn't consider
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Speaker 1: us an ally at all, and that is tragic. And
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Speaker 1: he's done that at his own big gest because that's
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Speaker 1: always been his point of view when it comes to
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Speaker 1: Palestine in Israel, but certainly in order to pacify the
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Speaker 1: extremists within his own party.
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Speaker 2: Jamie, this one really worries me. The TGA has made
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Speaker 2: a series of recommendations. It'll make it easier and less
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Speaker 2: expensive to get MDMA, which is known as ecstasy out
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Speaker 2: on the street via your doctor as part of some
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Speaker 2: sort of mental health therapy session. We know that this
44:55
Speaker 2: was the push in relation to medical cannabis, and there's
44:57
Speaker 2: been a series of reports that BA debunk any alleged
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Speaker 2: benefits of medical cannabis. Now they're going down the path
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Speaker 2: of ecstasy via your doctor, and I think this is
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Speaker 2: just the back door to tacitly legalizing illicit drugs and
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Speaker 2: it concerns me.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, your concerns are absolutely valid there, especially when we
45:18
Speaker 15: look back to twenty twenty three when Australia became the
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Speaker 15: first country to use MDMA as a treatment for PTSD
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Speaker 15: and things like depression, and now with the TGA wanting
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Speaker 15: to loosen some of the regulation around it to ensure
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Speaker 15: that more people have access to this. Some of the
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Speaker 15: things that really flagged me though that it was a
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Speaker 15: concern Peter with things like at the moment, a psychiatrist
45:41
Speaker 15: needs to be present during these sessions, which can take
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Speaker 15: about eight hours, and they're expensive, so it's about thirty
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Speaker 15: thousand dollars from what I've been reading that some of
45:49
Speaker 15: these patients are paying because of this hourly rate, in
45:51
Speaker 15: particular for a psychiatrist. But under these new proposed rule changes,
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Speaker 15: a psychiatrist only needs to be there until the drug
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Speaker 15: is ministered and then can leave that patient as long
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Speaker 15: as the psychiatrist is within fifteen minutes. So for me,
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Speaker 15: I feel like that's really exposing these patients to some
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Speaker 15: treatments that they'll be there dealing with it on their own.
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Speaker 15: But it seems like, why does Australia have to be
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Speaker 15: at the forefront of using MDMA in this sort of treatment.
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Speaker 15: We don't know the benefits yet and we don't know
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Speaker 15: any of the side effects. It's a costly exercise and
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Speaker 15: they're just trying to find a way to make it
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Speaker 15: cheaper so that more people have access. But I think
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Speaker 15: we're playing with fire here and almost like guinea pigs.
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Speaker 2: Well, and we've just cut medical health medical health support
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Speaker 2: to veterans. We've just taken away the rebate for anyone
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Speaker 2: over the age of sixty five in relation to their
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Speaker 2: private health insurance. I'm sorry. I think they are far
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Speaker 2: more of a priority to fix before we go down
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Speaker 2: the path of having ecstasy at your doctor's surgery.
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Speaker 4: I'll leave it there.
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Speaker 2: Thank you to you both.
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Speaker 4: All Right, quick break.
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Speaker 2: When we come back, Helvich with words for the week.
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Speaker 15: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in my word Smith, the wonderful friend here
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Speaker 2: of Credlin Kel Richards. We know that Malcolm Turnbull is
47:08
Speaker 2: rumored to be behind a new Teal party, and a
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Speaker 2: Grispender certainly made herself known that she's got an open mind,
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Speaker 2: and so has Zalie Steggel. So my viewer was Kel
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Speaker 2: thought they'd be very helpful here and offer up some
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Speaker 2: new names, because I think Teal doesn't sort of hit
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Speaker 2: the mark enough. So I'll run through some of the
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Speaker 2: suggestions from my people here self entitled Tipple Takers.
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Speaker 16: We'd have to check their wine bills. They might do more.
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Speaker 2: The Rich Ladies Party, the Top Party, the entitled party
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Speaker 2: one I've used before, the Gucci Greens, the steals are
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Speaker 2: like those. There was one called the Marie Antoinettes. Really
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Speaker 2: like that one because we know what happened to her.
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Speaker 4: But there we go.
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Speaker 2: There's a few.
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Speaker 4: I'm sure more we'll come in.
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Speaker 16: The one I wanted to offer you, Peter, unfortunately has
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Speaker 16: been stolen. Someone else has taken it, and years to
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Speaker 16: before I could use it. A man in England named
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Speaker 16: Screaming Lord such he called his party the monster raving
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Speaker 16: Looney Party, and somehow that just seems to fit the teals.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to some genuine words that have
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Speaker 2: come in from viewers that they want us to pull
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Speaker 2: apart and for you to explain. This is one I've
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Speaker 2: had debates with my nieces and nephews on because it
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Speaker 2: takes a while.
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Speaker 4: Before it sticks.
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Speaker 2: But I guess once you remember it, you'll remember it forever.
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Speaker 2: The difference between less and fewer.
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Speaker 16: The basic rule is fewer goes with plural nouns. Less
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Speaker 16: goes with singular nouns, including collective noun singular. So if
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Speaker 16: it's a singular noun, then you use less, but if
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Speaker 16: it's a plural, you use fewer. So if the commentator
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Speaker 16: says there were less fans at the game this week,
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Speaker 16: He should have said fewer, because fans is a plural word.
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Speaker 16: My late friend, the Great Clive robertsonat kept threatening to
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Speaker 16: go to supermarkets with a big black pen and all
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Speaker 16: the twelve items or less into twelve items or fewer,
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Speaker 16: because singular, singular and plural. That's the test for less
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Speaker 16: and fewer.
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Speaker 7: All right?
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Speaker 4: What about railroaded?
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Speaker 16: An American expression from about eighteen fifty. It means to
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Speaker 16: be forced or coerced, and the American rail system was
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Speaker 16: built by big, powerful companies who tended to acquire a
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Speaker 16: lot of land very ruthlessly, and it may have been
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Speaker 16: their behavior that triggered off this expression in the American language.
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Speaker 2: Jason wants to know dead as a door? Now, where's
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Speaker 2: that one come from?
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Speaker 16: Very old? Comes from thirteen fifty, that long ago, when
49:40
Speaker 16: their front doors were big wooden doors held together by
49:43
Speaker 16: steel nails. The nails were driven through and then hammered
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Speaker 16: over on the other sides, called clinching by carpenters. And
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Speaker 16: when you do that, the nail is said to be
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Speaker 16: dead because you cannot pull it out again and reuse it.
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Speaker 16: Hence dead as a door nail.
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Speaker 2: Fantastic, Thank you, kel see you next week. We love
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Speaker 2: the new set.
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Speaker 4: That's it for me.
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Speaker 2: So tomorrow night, Parliament of course is on. It'll be
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Speaker 2: a busy show.
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Speaker 4: It's Andrew