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2016's The Great Wall · Off The Shelf With Phil and Dave- A Movie Review Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to Off the Shelf with Phil and Dave, the
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  movie talk show where each week one of us takes a movie off our
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  shelf presents it to the other for discussion.
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  This week we've got coming off of Dave's Shelf, 2016's The
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  Great Wall. David, welcome back to the
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  couch. Thank you.
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  I have to ask, yes, you do. Contractually obligated.
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  Why is this movie on your shelf? Don't like the tone as usual,
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  but let me tell you, I'm attracted to strong, beautiful
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  Asian women with leadership skills.
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  OK, I say that as a joke but then I realize I am married to a
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  eastern Central Asian woman. Depending on who you talk to,
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  right? You're getting pretty specific
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  if you're talking to the UK. They like to dictate these
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  things. Yes, they did.
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  For years, centuries, yeah. I like to think my wife is
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  beautiful and. I liked it, I like to think.
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  That's all it matters. What?
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  I think her thighs could easily snap my neck.
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  So she's strong. She's definitely smarter than
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  me. And these days, she wears the
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  pants because I don't really bother wearing pants because,
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  you know, it's not really going out a lot.
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  It's still unemployed. Yeah.
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  And she's also displayed leadership skills in her
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  profession and her involvement in soccer.
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  So it turns out I do like that type of woman, incidentally.
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  There it is. Wow.
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  But the actual reason to why this movie is on my shelf is in
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  2017, which I imagine that when this was released in 4K, I was
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  really just trying to expand my wall.
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  My shelf. Yes, yes, slip of the tongue
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  there. I think 4K might have been in
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  around that time where it was gaining in numbers.
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  Certainly more things were coming out.
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  New movies were automatically going to 4K.
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  Yeah. And I have no aversion to having
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  the acting prowess of Matt Damon on my.
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  Show you're a demon guy you've. Gone on the I I mean this is
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  prime time Damon in my opinion. Prime time 2016.
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  Twenty years after Goodwill hunting.
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  You're saying hi sometime, Matt Damon.
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  Wow. Let me finish.
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  Let me finish for me, Yes. I have never seen Goodwill
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  hunting, OK? I've never hunted.
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  Dad never took me, had a gun, never once.
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  And that's it. And I'm hoping today that I can
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  try to convince you to add this movie into your G spot on your
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  shelf. That's true.
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  It starts with the letter G It'll get any weird ideas there?
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  Got it. Yeah, because I have my concerns
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  that this might not. Exactly.
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  Be your genre. Six years of yeah.
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  But. We'll see.
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  OK. Yeah, Well, I look forward to
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  the discussion. Wonderful.
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  Great to hear. How many times we can use the
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  word great? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Let's go to the great IMDb. Let's go to Old Faithful.
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  Who got this movie wrong, by the way?
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  Maybe not the description of it, but.
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  The numerical representation. Yeah, we'll talk about that
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  later if there's a glitch in the app, apparently.
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  Here we have In ancient China, a group of European mercenaries
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  encounters a secret army that maintains and defends the Great
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  Wall of China against a horde of monstrous creatures.
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  Sums it up, yeah. That's all you need to get me
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  into it. Yeah, I like a good horde.
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  You should play Gears of War horde mode.
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  Lot of fun. Absolutely.
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  Lot of fun. And this is very Hardy.
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  Little too hearty, some might say.
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  Some might. Say, some might say, even if
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  it's a few minutes. Before we get too deep into the
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  movie though, I do want to talk about walls in general.
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  OK, you have walls here. It's nice to see some speakers
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  are near the wall. They're not attached on the
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  wall. So I think there's still some
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  wall work to be done here once the Renault is done.
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  Yeah. I don't know a lot about the
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  Great Wall itself other than it's pretty great.
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  It's big, it's long, but there's a lot of other walls that I'm
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  interested in. And for us in our generation, I
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  think the Berlin Wall is a big one.
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  I want to know where you were when it came down.
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  Watching it on TV, watching on the news, you remember that was
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  a big deal 19899090. Yeah, so you're about 10-11
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  years old. That wasn't a big thing in my
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  house. My parents weren't big on.
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  Walls, We watched David Hasselhoff perform these huge in
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  Germany. But yeah, tearing it down.
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  It was a huge, huge thing for the family.
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  We just watched it. Who was crazy?
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  Sort of asking. You ingest?
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  Yeah. Surprise, no.
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  We were big fans. And then soon thereafter, Roger
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  Waters performed Pink Floyd's The Wall, OK in and around that
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  site with the Scorpions and Cyndi Lauper and Bryan Adams and
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  the band. 'S other great walls we have,
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  the one they tried to build, didn't take the Mexican wall.
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  Oh gosh. They give that a name?
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  I'm not sure. But we have ones like Hadrian's
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  Wall. OK, we have the Western Wall.
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  Jerusalem. MMM, Walls of Babylon.
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  I know the whores of Babylon. I didn't know that there was
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  walls. They had walls as well, OK.
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  They're on the other side of it. My favorite one is the Great
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  Wall of Gorgon. Which TG it sounds.
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  It sounds very Klingon. It really does.
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  Gorkon. Yeah.
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  It's called the Red Snake Barrier.
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  It's the nickname for. It's in Iran.
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  We have the walls of Constantinople.
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  Constantinople. Thank you.
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  Should rehearse that. Way too many letters.
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  Phillip. And we have the walls of stone
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  in Croatia. Awesome.
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  Just to name a few. It's a lot, actually.
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  Have you seen any of them in person?
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  No, no, no. Maybe.
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  I've been to Turkey. They have some walls there.
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  I don't. It's not sure.
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  Was I supposed to see him? I don't.
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  Know you seem really invested in the 40.
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  Five walls you just named, I thought.
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  Maybe you would have. Seen well, I think it's gonna be
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  our only one research to talk about Walls is this movie, so I
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  want to take the full opportunity.
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  Yeah, OK. And that's the extent of my.
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  But this one's the. Greatest, This is the greatest,
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  arguably the greatest wall, the best wall, best wall, wonderful
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  wall. It is 5500 miles long and it
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  took 1700 years to build, which tells me Ottawa construction
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  companies were involved or Montreal because I went down
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  McKenzie Bridge the other day. It's been how many years?
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  5-6 years? They're still working on it.
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  I put the working in quotations like what are we doing here?
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  Why does everything take so long?
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  Mafia. But anyways I don't.
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  Know, I'll tell you why. One of the things my theories is
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  that it's only really good to work in the city for about 2 1/2
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  months of a year. OK, so with the weather being
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  what it is, it feels like God shut it down.
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  What's funny about that once at the end of my circle, I live on
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  a circle, you can't get out. It's no exit.
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  All walled in. One of those wouldn't go that
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  far, but they knocked down a couple of houses and they're
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  putting up like a couple small apartment, very small, not
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  there's not a lot of space. They had that thing up three
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  weeks ago and in no time. So whether it didn't stop them,
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  just saying. My question on things like that
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  often do I want to live in a house that has been built in 2
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  1/2 weeks? That part is what scares me
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  because they build this building all over and you drive past in
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  one week you're like, oh, it's they're digging.
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  And then the next week somehow it's like waiting for Windows.
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  You talking about right? And then three weeks after that,
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  you're like for sale. What happened?
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  Why do a little research on who, unless you know it's God doing
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  it because he can, you know, put things together pretty quickly.
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  Yeah, Allegedly. Allegedly.
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  Yeah, yeah. Speaking of legends.
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  Uh, now, yeah. Now that we know what the kind
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  of wall that we're dealing with, Phil, you probably want to ask
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  yourself what the wall is for. Yeah, Yeah.
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  That was the first question. It's for a couple of things.
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  In real life, it was to keep out nomadic people.
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  Nomads, yeah, which are generally not bad people, but
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  you maybe don't want them in your house.
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  Sure, maybe they have dirt on their shoes.
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  Well, my issue is, you know, you think about these people and
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  you're like, you know what, I want a couple of nomad, right?
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  There's too much mad happening in the world, you know, couple
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  of nomads. It's like a political stance,
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  you know, Not that they're wandering the earth, but really
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  they're just like Nomad. Yeah.
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  Like no ma'am. Yeah, the mental note.
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  Edit that out fills nomad time. I brought it up.
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  That's on me yeah. Let me bring out the other thing
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  that the not real stuff legends. It also is to keep that out as
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  well. And this is one of those stories
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  that's a lot of stories about this wall, but we're going to
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  focus on. This one, yes.
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  Protecting against the known and the unknown.
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  Yeah. This was heretofore very
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  unknown. Very unknown.
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  Nobody really knew about it. Very under wraps.
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  Wang knew about. It because he's the smart one.
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  Wang knows what's up. He knows what's up.
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  Around for a few years. He gets it.
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  Nobody listens to him. Though No, you know what?
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  I wish I wasn't listening to Matt Damon's accent.
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  Let's call. It Alright, let's get in.
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  Get it. Let's get it over with.
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  I want to leave it here. We've talked a lot about accent
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  work, yes, usually it doesn't bother me.
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  It's no worthy often, but not really deleterious to the movie.
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  Yeah, this is fucking terrible. What was it?
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  It's so bad. I think he's going for Irish.
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  I sicken Scottish something that's part of the UK, something
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  Celtic, yeah. But it is a fiasco.
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  It's even worse, and I didn't know I could have it worse than
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  Brad Pitt. In the Devil's first accent,
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  people, they reach for it, yeah, and they fail.
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  And The funny thing is it's probably in their blood.
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  Because a lot of people are Irish, sure.
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  Like deep in their roots, I guess.
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  I guess, but still, who the hell cares?
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  We watched a movie about Russians on a submarine that
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  spoke with Scottish and English and American accents and nobody
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  gave a shit. So why do these actors want to
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  just ruin their movies? Well, I think in that.
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  Kevin Costner and Prince of Thieves is going.
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  For some, you did better effect there, yeah.
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  Just stop. Luckily, he just like, I'm not
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  gonna do it. I just gave up.
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  Just I'm not Yeah, these things don't bother me in the grand
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  scheme. Just like why the choice?
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  How does it slip through the cracks?
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  How does it get released on like the director must know it's not
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  good. Like at some point just.
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  Stop. And do you think that the people
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  won't accept that? Do you think the audience again
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  we're accepting Sean Connery as a Russian commander of?
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  Submarine, respect your elders. I think that's.
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  That's Dave is not old enough to get.
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  Away with it, no. It just feels so silly.
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  This is my 5th or 6th watch, maybe 7th or 8th and it's never
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  bothered me. That's my first note of the.
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  Movie. I figured it was going to.
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  Wow, what is this? Yeah, so.
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  Too bad we acknowledge it. Yes, that's it.
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  And now we can move on. Luckily, the dialogue in general
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  I wouldn't say is probably the primary focus in this.
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  Movie No no. And that's OK, Yes.
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  And that's where we're going to get into later.
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  Phil is going to ask you to be prepared as you think this movie
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  is successful in what it wants to do because it's it's not a
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  heavy story. It's not it's not that.
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  And it doesn't claim to be. But does it do what's supposed
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  to do? You know the answer.
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  Now no, I just want to say I will need to convince.
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  I will address the fact that I thought that this was going to
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  be a lot longer. Oht no.
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  Then then anybody. So the fact that it was $1.46.
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  And that's with 16 minutes of. Credit.
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  So the fact that it can be that is both helpful in that I didn't
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  have to watch it that long, but also I think it hurts some of
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  the stuff you're about to talk about.
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  So we'll get to that later. I agree.
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  But I do appreciate that it's short.
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  Yeah, you know me. Yeah, I think maybe that's why I
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  watch it so many times and why I enjoy going back to it.
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  But one thing we do learn in that 1st 10 minutes, it's good
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  to keep spare horses. Yes.
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  For that sort of situation. Yeah, you need a couple of
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  extras. Yeah, just to bring up some
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  dust. Lead away the the bad guys.
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  Yeah. It opens and it's chased through
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  the desert. Yeah.
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  What do you think of the backdrop land?
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  It felt really painted to me. Yeah.
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  Nothing in this movie is real. Almost like they tried to make a
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  really cool and overdid it. Or like we brought in what's
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  that painter guy's name? Bob.
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  OHS. So what's his name?
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  Bob Ross. Bob Ross, OH.
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  Yeah, maybe he was. He was.
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  I didn't see the credits. There's 16 minutes of credits.
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  Actually. I want to make a correction
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  right away. It was an hour, 4313 minutes of
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  credits. Real time corrections.
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  Right here, real time. I don't want to have to do it
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  later because. You do a blunder.
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  Later you know what happened with that when I addressed it
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  and I said addressed instead of address and you would called.
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  Yeah, I did call you out. And then the movie I was
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  referring to was Remember When It's actually Remember Me?
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  I think that ones a Mandy Moore movie.
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  So I paid 2 blunder. To remember as the Mandy Moore
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  movie. Anyway, I got it wrong, so I
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  made two blunders and trying to correct one blunder barrier.
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  I think it is. I think I've learned my lesson,
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  so just know that I know. Yeah, we'll leave it at that.
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  And we know the motivation pretty quickly as well in this
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  film is black. Powder.
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  Sure. Yeah, searching for black
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  powder, I guess. Gunpowder.
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  Were you surprised to see Pascal?
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  I was surprised that anybody made this movie but Pascal in
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  particular because he's so ubiquitous now.
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  He's everywhere, yeah. Yeah, shockingly so.
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  I was bizarrely not surprised when he showed up in this.
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  Like, Oh yeah, somehow. Of course Pedro Pascal is in
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  this. This got his career going
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  though. This is what really put them
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  into the limelight. Questionable.
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  I don't remember the exact dates but I only I remembered him from
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  Game of Thrones. I thought it was fantastic.
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  In TV Phillip Yeah ohk OK, this is back when you.
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  Watched some TV? Watch.
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  Some TV and I have not seen one minute of that show.
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  It's really good for the first little while, I thought.
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  But he shows up in Season 3 or 4 or something like that, and he's
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  great. This guys got charisma, this
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  guy's Got Talent and didn't really ever think about him
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  again. And then somehow this year I
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  managed to see him in five different movies, Last of Us and
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  The Materialists and Fantastic Four, you guys kind of
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  everywhere. He's fine though.
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  Like I have no real problem with him, but I'm shocked at how much
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  the culture is really embraced this guy.
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  So I was both surprised because I don't know anything about this
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  movie, but then also sort of like, yeah, sure, why wouldn't
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  he be in this? But I think he's not very good
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  in this. I don't.
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  Think he has much of an. Opportunity.
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  I wouldn't say everything he says generally.
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  Speaking little stiff. Little stiff, yes the delivery,
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  but for me the dialogue he has is all just like snippy snippy 1
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  liners chirpy like is like the sidekick who's just chirping
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  from the bench amigo amigo all the time.
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  It's just constant chirp that to me is like like nails on a
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  chalkboard I just can't get into.
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  It I, I agree with you that it's not the highlight of the movie,
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  The dialogue in general, and it's not what keeps me coming
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  back, but there's other things that.
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  You couldn't be. Yeah, nothing really up until
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  they get to the wall itself. Before we get there, they do
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  encounter the beast. Yes.
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  They have two, three friends. They're still there.
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  Ones dying. Yeah.
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  Not going to make it. No, he's not.
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  He heard that. Yeah.
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  And this beast comes. And the one reason I didn't like
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  it is I got the impression as I watched the rest of the movie
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  that why is there just one of. Them that's a good question
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  because it's one that it came up to me.
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  The second time I watched it this time around, Scout, so you
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  did pick up on that. So I'm like, OK, thank you for
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  that. I appreciate it.
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  Understood. And the fact that the magnets
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  there, OK, you might win this because that seems to be their
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  kryptonite. Yeah, real problems with the
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  magnet in general, the introduction of the man magnet.
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  I don't care that it factors into the play, you know,
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  whatever. But the the fact that it's so
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  short, the movie, I feel like it's rushing to any of these
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  plot points and the idea of must have been this magnet.
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  What? Oh, we'll leave it and not I'll,
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  I'll, I'll, I'll keep it. He's going to make something out
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  of it, like a compass. Compass.
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  But sure. But like, ultimately these guys
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  have lived without it. The thought to create a company
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  has never occurred. If it's been around for awhile.
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  Did they just find it? Just found it, Phil.
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  And they're tired of using the sun.
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  Yeah, this does explain why your fridge has no magnets.
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  You have nothing. Up there, there's 400 Magnum is
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  there? And that is why my house remains
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  safe. Yeah, there we go.
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  No green beasts anywhere. Site no good.
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  It's just so contrived, so convenient that I'm starting to
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  lose my faith, if you will, pretty quickly.
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  Like you're saying, this is the first 10 minutes, so this is
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  where you get the hooks, ideally at least settings your story up
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  and your consequences. And I don't feel like any of
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  that is really succeeding at this point.
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  The tempo changes, the vibe changes.
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  Certainly when they approach the wall, yes, they find right.
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  OK, so here we are and surrounded by arrows.
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  And then I thought to myself, good.
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  Move. Oh, this movie is a comedy.
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  Really. With the way Pascal is chirping
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  and not taking anything seriously, yes, in the 1st 10 or
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  15, you really should. The accent is silly and this is
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  kind of a comedic introduction. They both kind of look at one
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  another like what, what, what? And they're surrounded by all
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  these arrows. I was like, oh.
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  I haven't surrendered. I've got it.
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  It's a comedy then unfortunately, the rest of the
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  movie tells me that I was wrong. You are definitely wrong.
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  That's just precision Arrow ship.
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  Yeah, I don't think the skill is comedic.
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  I think the scene is comedic. I think the fact that you've got
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  these two lone people and they're looking wood is there
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  surrounded by these arrows. I'm like, OK, this is a movie,
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  is a comedy. And it, it, it isn't, is what I
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  find out. No, that's the problem.
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  Well, I think it would have been better if it wanted to.
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  This is what we want. One of the things we'll talk
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  more about when you talk about if the movie is what it's
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  supposed to do. Whatever.
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  Yeah, just discuss. I'm in trouble already, I could
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  feel it. I love a good drum roll, Oh my
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  God. OK, I did not know.
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  This. I'm just looking over at your
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  empty space where a subwoofer should be.
• 18:18
  So I got a birthday coming up buddy.
• 18:20
  That's true. April 12th.
• 18:22
  That's right. Helps that my anniversary is
• 18:24
  April 11th. Yeah, I know, trying to stick
• 18:27
  it. Use your birthday to remind
• 18:30
  myself of my anniversary so it's.
• 18:32
  Better if you got married on the 13th.
• 18:34
  That way you could sort of, I can say, Dave, remember.
• 18:36
  Yeah. Alright, damn shame.
• 18:38
  Should have waited. Now I get the benefit.
• 18:40
  You're like, oh, we got married. Oh yeah, that's right, Phil's
• 18:42
  birthday tomorrow. But the drum roll is something
• 18:46
  that is music to my ears for some reason.
• 18:49
  I don't know why. I just love the rhythm of it.
• 18:51
  Sure, it's a haunted thing. He's not involved here.
• 18:54
  No, let's talk about it right now.
• 18:56
  The soundtrack is pretty much the same all the way through,
• 18:59
  but I will say it suits the film.
• 19:02
  OK. That's my call on it.
• 19:04
  I don't love it, but I feel like I feel like it goes along as a
• 19:09
  partner. With the movie, sure, it's not
• 19:11
  discordant. It's not like an Irish accent
• 19:13
  from Matt Damon. No, it is not.
• 19:15
  It doesn't stick out Clang against the.
• 19:17
  Movie no Celtic in this one it has more of a a Chinese Asian
• 19:21
  makes sort of. Very Chinese movie directed by
• 19:23
  Imu Jiang which. Have not seen anything of his.
• 19:27
  Let's get that out there, no? Read Where the Red Fern Grows.
• 19:30
  You had a flower, one that did well.
• 19:33
  Yes. So a name that is notable, I
• 19:36
  suppose, in the in China. Yeah.
• 19:39
  In the Chinese film culture, yeah, for sure.
• 19:41
  Working with the hero Jet Li, you know, and House of Flying
• 19:44
  Daggers, Like he's got obviously some chops.
• 19:46
  Yeah, mostly in action films. That's the impression I got from
• 19:50
  this. That might be his specialty
• 19:51
  because there's a few moments in this for, like, this is your
• 19:54
  thing. Yeah, this is your thing.
• 19:55
  And here we are at that moment where we are introduced to
• 19:59
  Commander Lynn, not General yet. She'll get there, though.
• 20:02
  Get there. And she just.
• 20:05
  Jumps off the screen for me. Luminous 100% she looks like AI
• 20:09
  to me. I.
• 20:11
  Like she isn't right, it's human but looks a little like a I'm an
• 20:14
  AI though. I like AI.
• 20:16
  I don't know much about her film attic career though.
• 20:19
  She was in Kong Pacific Rim uprising.
• 20:25
  OK, because I have one of them on my.
• 20:27
  Shelf. I think probably not.
• 20:29
  I don't know why. That's a question I ask every
• 20:31
  other. Must be part of the expansion of
• 20:34
  my shelf just to get more 4K because I don't know.
• 20:38
  But if she's not in that one, I really have no reason to.
• 20:39
  Have that the other one. You might need to go get that
• 20:42
  one, yeah. But I think it's a combination
• 20:44
  of her look and also the. Colour schemes of everybody.
• 20:48
  Yeah, the visual of that particular choice, you're saying
• 20:51
  when you're talking about the blue and the red costuming.
• 20:54
  Blue, gold, red, Gray and purple.
• 20:57
  I'm colorblind. I only saw the 2.
• 21:01
  It might be. Such a small thing, but I think
• 21:03
  it really helps elevate the visual aspect of this film.
• 21:06
  Those colours definitely do pop, considering what's about to
• 21:09
  happen in the movie is a disjointed mess to me, having
• 21:14
  something specific to to hold on to, to keep your.
• 21:17
  We talk about sometimes in action sequences or in horror
• 21:21
  movies, the geography, Right. Yeah.
• 21:23
  And what I found, the colours do both pop visually, but they also
• 21:27
  keep it organized. Keep it a little organized.
• 21:29
  OK We're doing this type of attack now with these people.
• 21:33
  Women are on blue and then the leaders, I think are the Gray
• 21:36
  ones. The golds might be The Archers.
• 21:38
  But yeah, exactly. I couldn't tell you right now,
• 21:40
  but in the context of the movie, I felt like that was helpful to
• 21:43
  me figure out because it's a bit sometimes indistinguishable.
• 21:46
  Yeah, looks good and serves a purpose.
• 21:48
  Yeah. There you go.
• 21:49
  Now they talk about 60 years they've been preparing for this.
• 21:53
  I know if it was me, I'd be leaving until last year.
• 21:55
  Year 59. Like, we really should prepare
• 21:58
  for this guys. Like I'm the guy that's doing
• 22:00
  the essay on the school bus on the way to school do that day.
• 22:04
  So fortunately, we have a gentleman named Wang.
• 22:09
  No offence. He's the wise guy.
• 22:11
  Yeah. I don't mean funny because you
• 22:13
  you thought this was a comedy. I did.
• 22:15
  He's the man of wisdom and I think they may have
• 22:19
  underestimated these these beasts.
• 22:21
  The tow tie I believe is their official term.
• 22:23
  You believe so? Yeah.
• 22:24
  I don't know if they call themselves that.
• 22:26
  I don't think they speak English.
• 22:27
  These green beasts. They're doing a lot of ear.
• 22:31
  Work out of your work. They're specialty.
• 22:34
  Buddy, Yeah. And we really get right into the
• 22:36
  action. Boy, do we.
• 22:38
  And I like that in a movie. Yes, you do have a note.
• 22:43
  Here it is 10 minutes of the 1st 24 minutes is action, action
• 22:48
  sequences. Yeah, sounds about right.
• 22:49
  And this, for me, is this movie, The purpose of this.
• 22:52
  Film is the action sequences. I'm much more interested in the.
• 22:57
  Prep You need some foreplay. I just think that when the
• 23:01
  action is hitting, I don't care. But we talked about montages and
• 23:04
  Swiss Family Robinson. The enemy is coming, we need to
• 23:06
  fortify. So for 59 years later it starts.
• 23:11
  But I like the prepping of loading up the weaponry, getting
• 23:14
  the set, getting the spikes and the Spears and the blades or
• 23:18
  whatever the case is. Yeah, we actually go through the
• 23:20
  levels. If you notice some interesting
• 23:22
  camera work when they realize they can't find the key to
• 23:25
  imprison them, that's. Such a silly scene.
• 23:27
  Gets them up there, right? We need them.
• 23:29
  There, but there's just better ways, and I think that is
• 23:31
  something's going to come up through the rest of the movie.
• 23:33
  It's just choices like that. What, fumbles with a key for 220
• 23:37
  seconds, drops them and goes I don't know.
• 23:39
  He did drop the sleepy spear stuff later.
• 23:42
  So there's there's president. Yeah, but did you notice that?
• 23:46
  I didn't notice it. I noticed it more in panic Room,
• 23:49
  which we've talked about. Yeah.
• 23:50
  It's sort of similar where we are the wall and we're just
• 23:53
  going through the levels, more levels every week with the
• 23:55
  levels and taking us to the top. But just showing the the
• 24:00
  mechanics of where are these fireballs coming from?
• 24:02
  And the music is good for this, I think.
• 24:04
  Yeah, I think, though I think it's, yeah, appropriate in this
• 24:06
  moment for sure. In setting up this huge set
• 24:09
  piece that we're going to spend, like you said, a fair amount of
• 24:12
  time with. Yeah, but once we get into the
• 24:15
  actual battle, into the. Grit.
• 24:17
  I lose interest really immediately, yeah.
• 24:20
  Almost immediately. What is it specifically?
• 24:22
  Because there's certain things that I love the first time I
• 24:26
  watched it and I love as much, if not more now.
• 24:29
  So what was it specifically that you're like, Oh.
• 24:32
  I think we've talked a lot about CGI and there are elements where
• 24:37
  I don't mind. And every movie and it has it.
• 24:39
  You build a certain set and then you build.
• 24:40
  Out serves a purpose. It comes into every movie in one
• 24:43
  form other as a visual effect. Those days of not is are long
• 24:47
  gone and it's necessary to tell big stories.
• 24:49
  Even movies like The Killers of the Flower Moon.
• 24:51
  Beautiful, crazy, amazing movie with lots of set design,
• 24:54
  brilliant work. It's got CGI on top to build it
• 24:56
  out. It's being used correctly to me
• 24:59
  in. Those kind of functions, yeah,
• 25:00
  here when this happens and the initial wave hits, it is just a
• 25:05
  sloppy mess that I find 0 grounding.
• 25:10
  I find nothing of note or interest or compelling story.
• 25:15
  Like there's nothing about it. I find it just a little bland,
• 25:18
  boring maybe. Just too too many of them and
• 25:21
  just too much green blobs on the screen essentially.
• 25:24
  And so I don't think any of this is really happening and I want
• 25:27
  in a movie always. Want to be in?
• 25:29
  It to feel like something real happened.
• 25:31
  Doesn't have to be reality happening of course.
• 25:33
  It just has to be something like real.
• 25:35
  Happening. Yes, I understand the.
• 25:36
  Difference, right? And I think this movie in these
• 25:39
  early scenes failed to really give me that.
• 25:42
  I don't completely disagree. You just don't care.
• 25:46
  Well, I or doesn't bother. You Sometimes they do, sometimes
• 25:49
  they don't. I have noticed in other movies
• 25:51
  the numbers game where there's too many enemies coming and
• 25:56
  there's only a couple of you and the numbers, it just doesn't add
• 26:00
  up. There's just like thousands upon
• 26:02
  thousands, and they make a point of showing how many there are.
• 26:05
  There's no way these two people can take on a swarm of millions
• 26:11
  of ants from MacGyver episode, which I love, Season 1, great
• 26:15
  episode, but they're basically surrounded by ants.
• 26:18
  Yeah, ants. Whatever would they do?
• 26:23
  And so I do take issue with it, but there's things happening in
• 26:27
  this movie that somehow. You.
• 26:29
  Ignore it. Yeah, well, I take my focus away
• 26:32
  from it, I guess would be the best way of saying.
• 26:35
  And we were both guilty of maybe making apologies.
• 26:38
  Yeah. Sure.
• 26:39
  The movie now, is that what it is?
• 26:40
  Is it just too many of them? It's definitely a big, big
• 26:43
  factor. 100%. I think CGI of it maybe isn't.
• 26:46
  Yeah, well, the CGI, I think everyone just looks like shit.
• 26:48
  Yeah, right. There's this green blobs kind of
• 26:50
  running down the screen. Means no, like it has no
• 26:52
  relevance or resonance. But yeah.
• 26:54
  I mean, I remember walking out of the Return of the King OHP.
• 26:58
  That's a good example, yeah. Right.
• 26:59
  It's just like 3 people against a million orcs or something.
• 27:03
  Yeah, and I'm like, well this is boring, it's silly and there's
• 27:07
  just no fucking way this is possible.
• 27:08
  And another example, I stopped watching The Walking Dead.
• 27:11
  You walked out of that. Yeah, that show was dead to me
• 27:16
  after this moment where one of the guys think Glenn is his
• 27:19
  name, he is trapped in a wall, is against him.
• 27:23
  He's under a dumpster or something.
• 27:25
  Is a dump I heard about. This Yeah, Yeah.
• 27:26
  And so it's like an alley of 1,000,000 zombies.
• 27:30
  The scene goes black. Oht My gosh.
• 27:32
  Season ends or whatever. The break happens.
• 27:35
  First episode of the next season or the next break or the next
• 27:38
  moment. OHK.
• 27:39
  He snuck underneath the dumpster and there was a hole in the
• 27:43
  fence that he wiggled his way out of.
• 27:45
  And now he lives to fight another day.
• 27:47
  And I just went, that is garbage.
• 27:49
  I'm out. Done.
• 27:50
  And you know what? That makes me think of Misery.
• 27:53
  OK, Do you remember? Probably not because you're
• 27:56
  terrible with these things, but Kathy Bates is talking about how
• 27:59
  angry she got when watching the serials in the movies.
• 28:03
  And he was hanging off of the the train and she says he fell
• 28:08
  off the cockadoodle train and she was so angry because the
• 28:12
  movie thinks we're stupid. That's what these movies I think
• 28:15
  do to me. They make me feel like they
• 28:17
  think I'm stupid. Well, there's no way those three
• 28:19
  people would do that. There's no way those five people
• 28:21
  could survive. No, absolutely.
• 28:24
  Where it succeeds is die hard Bruce Willis in that Nakatomi
• 28:29
  building. Yes, against eight or nine guys,
• 28:32
  different, completely different. He's gotta be very strategic.
• 28:35
  Yes, he's got floors to work with.
• 28:37
  Yeah, those nine people weren't attacking at the same time.
• 28:39
  Yeah, if those nine people had walked in at the same time in
• 28:42
  the same moment. And he's in the washroom movies.
• 28:45
  Over Gruber had hindsight, yeah, maybe that's what he would have
• 28:47
  done, yeah. But those are elements that that
• 28:49
  that's one person could kill or beat. 10:15, 20-30 people even
• 28:54
  in that scenario. This is not that scenario.
• 28:57
  It's not strategically picking somebody off.
• 28:59
  It is a swarm of things presenting themselves and not
• 29:04
  winning. I think we're at that time in
• 29:06
  movies with the CGI. We're like, let's go big just
• 29:10
  because we can spectacle now. Why I apologize for it.
• 29:14
  In this movie are a few moments which give me a rush of
• 29:19
  adrenaline. There it is.
• 29:21
  It still does after the 7th watching.
• 29:23
  I love this scene and a couple of examples.
• 29:26
  The director slows the camera down.
• 29:28
  You love that one. Of the Beasts is up on the
• 29:30
  ledge, and William and Tovar have been released by the foe.
• 29:34
  Yes. And he kicks the kid out of the
• 29:38
  way. Yeah, he swings him around in
• 29:40
  one instance, holding slow motion.
• 29:42
  Course. Tovar comes down with his
• 29:45
  shield, cuts him as he pulls back the arrow, the red Cape
• 29:49
  sequence. I don't normally like slow
• 29:52
  motion. We did talk about slow motion a
• 29:54
  little bit in Volcano and neither one of us really
• 29:56
  appreciated that exactly the volcano soul motion.
• 29:58
  In that, yeah. But this?
• 30:00
  Oh my God, you like it. Honestly, this is the best
• 30:05
  moment of this movie right here. Well, that's his fighting.
• 30:09
  May be true. Yeah.
• 30:10
  The timing of everything this I believe.
• 30:13
  OK, Forget what's happening on the other side of the wall.
• 30:15
  You have to. Yeah.
• 30:16
  It's one beast against two guys that I can get behind.
• 30:21
  Sure. And I think that's where I'm
• 30:24
  just locked. In when you make it more
• 30:26
  personal like that, it's always going to be better.
• 30:29
  For me, it was lost in the mix that that scene happened.
• 30:32
  It was too showy, too flashy, too silly to me.
• 30:35
  A little overdone. But on the heels of the rest of
• 30:37
  it, that's where my issue is, that gap in between.
• 30:40
  Whereas you can enjoy that one, yeah.
• 30:43
  Well, now that I've watched it, I know it's coming.
• 30:45
  So I can like, OK, just look the other way.
• 30:48
  The other thing is the weaponry, their fireballs, the arrows.
• 30:53
  What do you think about the women who are on blue?
• 30:56
  They are the crane jumpers. They are glorifying bungee
• 31:00
  jumpers. And they just go down there and.
• 31:04
  I think it's. Silly give it all, but it's
• 31:06
  interesting. Though.
• 31:07
  Oh yeah. I mean, it's visually
• 31:08
  interesting. Sure, it's a choice.
• 31:09
  I just thought of all your abilities and techniques and so
• 31:13
  forth, I wondered if that was the most efficient.
• 31:15
  Probably not. Like I feel like you put
• 31:17
  yourself in a lot of danger with a pretty minimal weapon.
• 31:21
  Not good odds, no. After maybe the next sequence,
• 31:24
  I'll ask you what your favorite one was and see if we line up
• 31:27
  there because it might be more in line with effectiveness.
• 31:30
  OK. And does bring into question why
• 31:32
  didn't they use that the first time?
• 31:34
  Yeah, which leads me to my final question is why did they
• 31:37
  retreat? Yeah, I don't know.
• 31:39
  All they want here, Phil, one line to explain the retreat.
• 31:42
  Yes. Oh, they always do this to test
• 31:45
  the waters. Then they go back.
• 31:47
  Oh, the sun is dawning. Yes, how hard could that be to
• 31:50
  give me that one line? That's not interested in.
• 31:53
  Words. I know, I know, that is my one
• 31:56
  nitpick, despite the fact that I like this movie and still do.
• 31:59
  I just need a reason why because like you said, if you're
• 32:01
  counting the numbers, this is an easy win for.
• 32:04
  Yeah, just don't stop. You've got attrition, right?
• 32:07
  Like you outnumber them, you have more power.
• 32:10
  More because William Tovar took out this one.
• 32:12
  Like, oh, wait a minute, We better back off.
• 32:15
  This guys got a boat. Yeah.
• 32:17
  A fucking bow. We better go.
• 32:19
  Come on, this guys got 12 arrows.
• 32:22
  We can't possibly compete. Maybe that was in their pregame.
• 32:25
  Say listen, if there's a guy with a bow, we go.
• 32:30
  That's what the Queen said. That's the game plan.
• 32:32
  If you see a bow, we go. That's the mantra.
• 32:35
  Exactly, they even say like the enemy is smarter.
• 32:39
  Wang was saying it along there. These are the people moving.
• 32:43
  They are the peak villain possible right?
• 32:46
  Like they are the T1 thousands. These are the best of the best,
• 32:50
  the smartest, strongest, most capable villains they've ever
• 32:53
  seen. But six bows we gotta get out
• 32:55
  of. Here self-confidence.
• 32:58
  Self-confidence. Let me quiet things down after
• 33:09
  the batale. Yes, yes.
• 33:11
  And they asked him to do a bit of a trick.
• 33:13
  The old arrow and the bowl, and they joke about him not being
• 33:17
  able to do it in front of people.
• 33:18
  Yeah, he's fine. Of course he's fine.
• 33:21
  I like the trick. Yeah, sure doesn't serve much of
• 33:23
  A purpose. Are you supposed to eat out of
• 33:24
  the bowl? Afterwards, it reminded me a
• 33:26
  little bit of Prince of Thieves we talked about earlier, a
• 33:28
  little bit of that. Yeah, that was CG. 2 arrow work
• 33:31
  man. Yeah it's fun to do.
• 33:32
  Totally a lot of BS. But in a lot of slow mode, yeah.
• 33:35
  I like it. Yeah, this again is more
• 33:37
  humorous than me. Back to comedy.
• 33:38
  The way it's played feels comedic, but it's meant as
• 33:42
  serious. And they have a more serious
• 33:45
  look. They're clean shaven now.
• 33:48
  They got applause for that. I think it's like people really
• 33:51
  come. On We do smell, he says.
• 33:53
  We really do. It's really this movie I think
• 33:55
  wants to be a comedy. Fortunately they clean up nice,
• 33:58
  which is good. I think that needs to be said.
• 34:00
  They look sharp and we talked a couple of weeks ago about eating
• 34:04
  in movies, how you have to do so many takes.
• 34:06
  How much solo was eating in this one?
• 34:08
  Or you have Pedro Pascal's character, like he's eating
• 34:12
  well, it'll be a fair fight. He's just like, you better get
• 34:15
  this one take. Yeah, you're slopping that up.
• 34:18
  You're steady meals here. I don't have to act like you're
• 34:20
  like me on a cruise ship. We do have Commander Lynn here
• 34:25
  in a bigger role at this point. She's talking to William.
• 34:29
  They're talking about who they fight for.
• 34:31
  Yeah, William has fought for a lot of flags.
• 34:34
  Yes, a bit of a whore comes that, but he's just doing it for
• 34:37
  hot meal. Yes, she's in it for the
• 34:39
  science. I think he's in it for the
• 34:41
  money. They do lay a an egg.
• 34:46
  Is that the right term? Something for us later about
• 34:49
  trust And they're like, we're not the same and they're not
• 34:53
  ones. A gorgeous Asian woman and you
• 34:56
  know, it's Matt Damon. He's not a bad looking.
• 34:58
  Guy anymore, he's got himself cleaned up.
• 35:02
  But he is unwilling to do the bungee, which I don't blame him.
• 35:05
  My wife did it, I didn't. Yeah, I remember that.
• 35:07
  I remember that I would have done.
• 35:08
  It was just, Oh yeah, sure. A lot of money for one little
• 35:11
  jump. OK, all I'm saying.
• 35:13
  Yeah, you measure once, you cut twice.
• 35:15
  I heard the story recently. It popped up because you know
• 35:17
  how the Internet is, even though it happened 10 years ago.
• 35:19
  It's new to me. Sure, showing up on Instagram or
• 35:22
  Facebook, but. Someone's 90th.
• 35:23
  Birthday, It's something else, something in Norway where a
• 35:26
  woman died on a bungee because of a language barrier, he said.
• 35:31
  No jump and she heard go jump or something and they got sued
• 35:36
  because his English was broken so she.
• 35:39
  Jumped. And so she wasn't really a
• 35:41
  language barrier at that point. It was probably like the
• 35:43
  barrier. Of the actual barrier.
• 35:45
  So I've been a big lawsuit there.
• 35:47
  Maybe don't jump would have been better than no jump.
• 35:49
  Yeah, I think they probably will lose that.
• 35:52
  The fact that you don't understand what the guy is
• 35:54
  saying, that seems like it's your.
• 35:55
  Problem. I don't know what happened 10
• 35:56
  years ago. I'm sure it's settled now.
• 35:58
  Anyways, point is, he won't do it because of trust.
• 36:02
  Yeah. Some seeds.
• 36:05
  Well, yes, for a guy that you think he would just do it
• 36:07
  because he's the Invincible, you know, Leo or Bruce kind of
• 36:12
  character. Right, Yes.
• 36:13
  I don't think he's established. And this is my bigger problem
• 36:15
  with this character in general is because there's no dialogue
• 36:17
  and because there's nothing. Yeah, we.
• 36:19
  Don't. Really know.
• 36:19
  I have no idea who this person is.
• 36:21
  We're depending on Covar. Yeah.
• 36:23
  One or two blanks. All this is chirping, right.
• 36:26
  Later he says you're not a hero, you're a liar.
• 36:28
  You're a thief. You're a killer.
• 36:29
  But that's not for another half hour of the movie.
• 36:31
  In this moment. Or do we trust him or not?
• 36:33
  We've last seen him being chased by a gang of other people in the
• 36:37
  desert. So did he steal from them?
• 36:39
  Did he kill them? And who is this guy?
• 36:41
  And because of no dialogue, I don't know or I don't care.
• 36:43
  We just know he's after gunpowder, that's really all we.
• 36:45
  Know so the fact they're having this communication between them
• 36:49
  that's do you trust and how do I trust?
• 36:51
  And this is how I know. I don't know as an audience
• 36:53
  member, I know because he's Matt Damon, but that's not enough.
• 36:56
  I don't I don't like that. No, we don't in movies.
• 36:58
  That's right. It is do the work, get in there.
• 37:01
  And if that's the work, it's not happening.
• 37:03
  So to me, whether he's a bungee jumper or not, or that he's
• 37:07
  committed the cause or not, they have not established anything to
• 37:10
  me that sells that. So why would I fight for you?
• 37:13
  You're nobody to me. Hold on.
• 37:15
  Yeah. She's gorgeous.
• 37:17
  Yeah, there it is. That's honestly the strength of
• 37:20
  this movie is not that is not depicting him as a specific type
• 37:23
  of guy. The arc of this character is
• 37:25
  weak. Yeah, 100%.
• 37:28
  No arguments, but she is my magnet.
• 37:31
  I am locked in her. Look, you will bungee jump for.
• 37:34
  Her with bungee jump for her. Whatever you want.
• 37:36
  Honey. Honey, I'm there.
• 37:38
  Let's go. I am glued to the screen.
• 37:41
  Yeah, OK. Anyways, maybe the character
• 37:43
  development isn't great. They do try to explain at this
• 37:47
  point the myth of these monsters, like where they came
• 37:51
  from. Why they are attacking?
• 37:53
  Why, Yeah. What's the deal with them?
• 37:56
  What I gather from it, 20 centuries ago, a meteor hits,
• 38:00
  turns a rock green and creates these beasts.
• 38:04
  And they activate every 60 years.
• 38:06
  And they all feed the queen. They go out, they grab people,
• 38:10
  They digest them like birds. Yes.
• 38:12
  You know, I'm talking about recited to their mouth.
• 38:14
  I'm into that. And if they eat enough, they'll
• 38:17
  be able to go further to the cities, to the world.
• 38:20
  So it's best that you keep their diet to a minimum.
• 38:24
  So that makes them stronger every time they come out.
• 38:27
  Makes every 60 years. Works for me.
• 38:30
  Yeah. The simple plot.
• 38:32
  The lore of it, yeah. If you're going to commit to it
• 38:34
  then make sure OK do it so it gives you some explanation.
• 38:37
  It doesn't explain the why they retreated stuff, but at least
• 38:39
  explains why they're even in this predicament to begin.
• 38:41
  With exactly. And they find the magnets, yeah,
• 38:45
  that William has been carrying around.
• 38:47
  Pretty convenient they worked this morning around little
• 38:49
  contrived Ramsey. One piece of materials that
• 38:52
  could possibly save this band of warriors is a magnet.
• 38:57
  Now, they're not all warriors. There's one person we haven't
• 39:00
  talked about yet. As of the time, this is the time
• 39:03
  Willem Dafoe. Willie.
• 39:06
  He sticks out to me like a sore thumb in this.
• 39:09
  Movie. To be fair, he kind of sticks
• 39:11
  out in every. Movie, I suppose so he is, but I
• 39:15
  feel that this movie is below him and I know that.
• 39:18
  And I don't think that about Matt Damon for some reason,
• 39:21
  maybe because he's the lead and the action sequences.
• 39:23
  He's amazing at it. I like it.
• 39:25
  But for him, he's just off in the corner doing nothing, doing
• 39:28
  nothing. Like why are you here?
• 39:30
  This could have been done by you, you know, if you want to
• 39:33
  look some weird guy in the corner.
• 39:34
  Sure, popping his head out. Huh.
• 39:36
  Yeah, you've done that, and it always stuck out to me.
• 39:41
  Yeah, it's stupid. And I don't think he's good in
• 39:43
  this movie. No, he's not giving anything to
• 39:45
  be good. Now I think he's.
• 39:46
  A good actor, Ohe generally right, that's clear is nothing
• 39:49
  for him and there's nothing really for anybody, and that's
• 39:51
  another issue kind of runs throughout.
• 39:53
  But if you're going to have an actor like Willem Dafoe, you
• 39:56
  know he's done shit like he's not a guy that's like only the
• 39:58
  best of the best. He needs money, but that sort of
• 40:01
  quality, if you will, or that face.
• 40:04
  Does not fit the character. I think that's why it doesn't
• 40:07
  really fit the movie. So it's another example of
• 40:09
  something like Damon's accent, which just distracts from what's
• 40:12
  happening. And if what's happening isn't
• 40:13
  that interesting in my case, it's just another layer of
• 40:15
  something where it's like this doesn't feel real.
• 40:18
  That doesn't feel like a character.
• 40:19
  It just feels like William Dafoe just, you know, goofing right
• 40:24
  for a couple of weeks in China and those things just start to
• 40:26
  hurt the movie over the long term.
• 40:28
  That could be part of the reason that I am honed in on Tianjing
• 40:33
  Commander Lin. Yeah, because of all of that.
• 40:36
  That could be it just elevates her even more like, OK, I like
• 40:39
  you already. There's no other character
• 40:41
  really to sink my teeth into, so I'm really glued to you so.
• 40:45
  That could be it as well. Totally.
• 40:46
  And I am at this point, I am like I love you.
• 40:50
  I will leave it all. I have a tight, but we're going
• 40:54
  to move right along while Defoe is scheming.
• 40:58
  Yes, Tovar. Yep, they want the gunpowder.
• 41:00
  Who doesn't want the black powder?
• 41:02
  I guess he needs help to get. It but defoe's been here 2520
• 41:06
  years, 30 years he says. What is the need for the black
• 41:09
  powder that he is not getting? He's biting his time for some 22
• 41:13
  chemos to show up. Like I know plot mechanics of
• 41:17
  this movie are so bereft of logic it just makes it really
• 41:22
  hard for me to to buy. In I think he is there literally
• 41:25
  to get Tovar away. Sure, there it is.
• 41:28
  Yeah, he's a device. That's his function and I think
• 41:31
  that's more evident now that I think about it.
• 41:35
  But we go to the bridge and it's night time.
• 41:38
  I know you like a nice night time scene.
• 41:40
  Sure. Yeah, the moon and the stars and
• 41:43
  a couple to take. What are they called again to
• 41:47
  tie toe tie. But the general and commander
• 41:50
  are about to get Maloney, and that's from Untouchables.
• 41:54
  Yes, where Malone. He's the origin of that.
• 41:57
  Of course he gets tricked. Yep.
• 41:59
  And that's what happens here, sending a decoy at the front end
• 42:02
  and gets distracted and they're waiting for him right outside.
• 42:05
  Yeah, God damn Malone. I think the purpose for this
• 42:08
  scene is to show that the toe tie get it right that time. 1A
• 42:14
  regime change. They want to take out the
• 42:15
  general and they want my girl in charge, which I can get behind.
• 42:21
  This one. You're on I'm team toe tie.
• 42:24
  Change up that regime. But really, I think they want
• 42:28
  just her to run the show. There's no reason for the actual
• 42:31
  general in the movie anymore. He's a weak character.
• 42:33
  No, there's no point for anybody in the movie, right?
• 42:35
  Ultimately, but for her succession, right?
• 42:37
  This is a love story now somehow is developing, and she is given
• 42:42
  an arc that doesn't really relate to anything that we're
• 42:45
  really watching in the movie. Because it's not always based on
• 42:47
  her strengths. It's that she succeeds because
• 42:50
  someone else fails. So that is not to me like a real
• 42:54
  growth opportunity, let's say. Oh, I see.
• 42:57
  Come on. She's been doing good work.
• 42:59
  She's been doing fine work. She came from, she's proven
• 43:02
  herself. He even said 5 situations, he
• 43:05
  said. You're blind.
• 43:07
  As seen earlier, you're doing a great job.
• 43:09
  Keep it up. You part of the nameless order.
• 43:11
  You came from nothing. I'm not suggesting that it's not
• 43:14
  warranted, but I just meant like she doesn't get the moment of
• 43:16
  success. She gets the succession because
• 43:19
  somebody else died and that's fine, but I don't really feel
• 43:21
  excited about it. I don't feel like she's done
• 43:23
  anything different or better than someone else.
• 43:26
  Leading by example, though, even in a commander position before
• 43:29
  General, she was part of the corpse crew.
• 43:32
  She was going down there. Yeah.
• 43:34
  With the Spears. Yeah.
• 43:35
  Usually in in that position of power, you're not doing that.
• 43:39
  And I appreciate that because in my profession, when I was
• 43:42
  working, I was a leader by example type of guy.
• 43:46
  So I think that could be another reason why I'm locked in on this
• 43:50
  character because I had the same leadership skills as her.
• 43:53
  I once heard a quote that was we led by being followed, and I
• 43:58
  interpreted that as being someone that was not
• 44:00
  particularly a leader, but rather had a charisma or
• 44:03
  something that just left people following.
• 44:06
  That's me. And that's sort of his, her
• 44:08
  situation here where it feels like she's not really leading,
• 44:12
  she just has people following. Her I would do anything she
• 44:14
  asked me to. Anything bungee jumping.
• 44:18
  Even that spear and lastly to finish off that scene is I don't
• 44:22
  think that kills him. No, it feels very minimal
• 44:25
  shoulder. Wounds.
• 44:26
  Maybe you would have a scar. This looks like a scratch.
• 44:29
  Yeah, he's weak. It's another incongruity in the
• 44:31
  movie that just fails. Give me the tension, give me the
• 44:35
  suspension disbelief. But I I just never had.
• 44:37
  It this is for me, a product of watching it 7 Times Now.
• 44:40
  I'm kind of picking that out like I think you live.
• 44:43
  Sure. But I will say that's probably
• 44:44
  the only thing that's been added to the list from the rewatching.
• 44:48
  Let's say nothing outfits that they didn't already not love,
• 44:53
  which is not a lot, no surprisingly.
• 44:55
  No, it's not that surprising. I suppose not.
• 44:58
  You know what kind of shelf? I given the history of.
• 45:10
  One thing I'll talk about is that I did like the mist.
• 45:14
  You can't really see with the fog, this and that.
• 45:16
  Love it. In the movie The mist certainly,
• 45:19
  but specifically in our history in the archives is Road to
• 45:23
  Perdition. If you recall, like in the rain,
• 45:25
  the mist, it just was an extra layer of haunting or dread or
• 45:28
  what have you. So this next action sequence,
• 45:32
  the 5th or 6th, 1:00 in, you know, an hour.
• 45:35
  No, no, see, you're exaggerating.
• 45:37
  It's actually really only the second set piece.
• 45:40
  We're about 50 minutes in and they've come back.
• 45:42
  There's no real rhyme or reason to when they come back, it
• 45:44
  seems. We were in on that meeting,
• 45:47
  yeah, that was behind closed doors in the Great Hall.
• 45:49
  I don't know what happened here, but it is interesting because
• 45:51
  they have a whole other set of defence which is interesting.
• 45:55
  Yeah, that is bizarre, but I like the setting.
• 45:58
  That's about the only thing though, because the rest of
• 46:00
  these scene I really don't like and I've got some specific
• 46:02
  problems with it. But the setting in that
• 46:04
  environment gets me at least more interested than clear blue
• 46:08
  skies, right? Give me some tension.
• 46:09
  Pro fog, where am I? I'm lost in the mist of this and
• 46:12
  that. But the movie doesn't really
• 46:14
  deliver on that afterwards. Now forget the fact that they're
• 46:16
  using different weapons. Do you find this set better?
• 46:22
  Worse difference more effective? They got blades coming out of
• 46:25
  the God damn wall. That's genius.
• 46:27
  That was pretty. Cool, this should be a a
• 46:29
  standard feature of this. Wall.
• 46:31
  What are you hiding for? Just let him go.
• 46:33
  Exactly 59 years. You unleash them, you let them
• 46:35
  go and then wait. Yeah.
• 46:37
  It's shocking to me why this wasn't used the first one.
• 46:39
  Especially if they were just climbing up the walls.
• 46:41
  So we can agree that's the most effective defence.
• 46:44
  Yeah, and there's also at the end of this season.
• 46:45
  So just the idea that they have other tools that they have not.
• 46:51
  Utilized feels really silly. It feels like they're doing it
• 46:55
  for the movie. Exactly.
• 46:56
  And I love it. Amping it up.
• 46:59
  I do. Oh my God.
• 47:00
  I know I shouldn't. Maybe because of the Doesn't
• 47:03
  make any sense. Yes, Yeah.
• 47:04
  But I know what he's trying to do.
• 47:06
  And I. Know what is he trying to do?
• 47:08
  You say things like this. What is he trying to explain?
• 47:10
  To showcase, showcase trying new things.
• 47:14
  And I think the visuals of this is effective, like seeing the
• 47:18
  beasts get sliced up. I think that's represented
• 47:20
  relatively well. CGI perspective.
• 47:23
  There's too many of them. I mean, I like dispatching
• 47:26
  things like that and bloody is possible and I like the fact
• 47:30
  that that this thing exists. I just I'm wondering however
• 47:33
  many people died the first time. Could have been saved because if
• 47:35
  they just use. Your instead of having four
• 47:38
  women on bungee cords and a spear, it's just for camera
• 47:42
  work. It's just for a movie.
• 47:43
  And I'm like, this is already very, very thinly connected and
• 47:47
  now I'm like, what? What am I even?
• 47:48
  Watching, I think that's why I'm appreciating it as that.
• 47:51
  Yeah, I think that's why. Teach their own.
• 47:55
  Let me ask you this. So are you a fan of Johnny Cash?
• 48:00
  You know where I'm going with this.
• 48:01
  One, yeah. And Ring of Fire.
• 48:02
  Ring of Fire, baby. Yes, yes.
• 48:04
  That's great song. Yeah.
• 48:06
  And that's great visual. It's good move.
• 48:08
  Yeah, great move. They decided to go down.
• 48:10
  They have sleepy Spears. Yeah.
• 48:12
  That's like coin them. Yeah.
• 48:13
  Because they want to. They want to catch the whole
• 48:15
  thing, right. This whole mission is they gotta
• 48:17
  catch 1. Because I want to test the
• 48:18
  kryptonite. Yes, the magnet.
• 48:20
  Exactly. Makes sense.
• 48:22
  And also Williams, like, part of this idea came up with it.
• 48:26
  It's his magnet. And Tovar is like, what's going
• 48:29
  on here? So that was a bit of a rift.
• 48:32
  This is a dramatic turn about halfway through 2/3 of the way
• 48:35
  through the movie. Filmmaking 101, buddy.
• 48:37
  Yeah, to create some tension with the two protagonists.
• 48:39
  We're checking boxes here. Oh my God.
• 48:42
  But I found it all pretty tedious and certainly what comes
• 48:46
  next, no problems with OK, so Damon's down there.
• 48:50
  Not yet. OK, they hooked one and they're
• 48:53
  trying to get him up Yes. And they're failing.
• 48:56
  They're cranking all the things they can The.
• 48:58
  Beasts are pulling it out because they're all one big
• 49:00
  happy family. That's right.
• 49:01
  And they say the chain won't hold.
• 49:05
  There's too much tension. That's correct.
• 49:07
  The chain won't. Hold.
• 49:08
  I know chains. Yep.
• 49:09
  So if you know chains, you know the chain cannot take anymore
• 49:13
  tension. Do you think the answer to that
• 49:16
  is having a £200 man slide down the chain?
• 49:21
  That's going to create more attention and probably snap it
• 49:23
  if they put anymore torque in it.
• 49:25
  He's sliding on it. No, it's putting the torque it's
• 49:28
  breaking. I ask my dad about this.
• 49:30
  He's a mathematician. He knows torque, he's got a lot
• 49:32
  of lawn mowers. He knows these things.
• 49:34
  He says it all checks out. Him sliding down.
• 49:38
  It's so Shane is bullshit. Come on.
• 49:39
  Absolutely. You gotta get me, You gotta get
• 49:42
  on. Board here.
• 49:43
  I'm not an idiot, I do like the whistling idea of arrows the.
• 49:50
  Whistling arrows. But at that point I'm just like,
• 49:53
  I'm really, I'm struggling to, I'm really struggling to care,
• 49:56
  right? Like I don't have any character
• 49:58
  stuff. Nothing's happening that's
• 49:59
  interesting. The action sequences aren't
• 50:01
  compelling. And then this sort of leaping
• 50:02
  logic, I'm just like, man, give me something.
• 50:05
  Yeah, that's the concern I had with this movie.
• 50:07
  I mean, I was gonna do it no matter what because I love it.
• 50:09
  Of course is. I know it's not going to give
• 50:12
  you what you typically like. Sure.
• 50:15
  Dialogue, story. Yeah.
• 50:17
  Yeah. And like, I'm hoping he's gonna
• 50:21
  at least appreciate the action sequences because I think most
• 50:26
  of it is well done outside of the ones I also agree with are
• 50:29
  BS. But if you're not latching on to
• 50:33
  these action sequences, that is the movie.
• 50:35
  And if you're not getting that, then it's not looking good.
• 50:38
  This might be harder to get on your shelf than I initially
• 50:41
  thought staying here, and I'm sure it doesn't help that Tovar
• 50:47
  shows up out of nowhere. Just nowhere.
• 50:49
  He somehow was just hanging. Out transported down there?
• 50:51
  Yep. To save the day in the last
• 50:53
  possible second. Yeah.
• 50:54
  And then they have this 2 verses.
• 50:57
  How many? This is where the numbers, I
• 51:00
  don't care about a Ring of Fire, The Ring of Fire.
• 51:03
  And they have the whistling coming in.
• 51:06
  Yeah, but it doesn't all go as planned.
• 51:08
  They both Chuck their acts at the same time to make this
• 51:10
  amazing cool move and they hit each other.
• 51:13
  It's a big double team. Yeah, so that kind of failed a
• 51:17
  lot of arrow work. Yeah, he's the bow guy.
• 51:20
  It's just really tough to fully buy in when random dudes are
• 51:24
  showing up in the nick of time. Not to mention what happens
• 51:28
  next. There was a door at the bottom,
• 51:30
  the whole. Time damn door David, what are
• 51:34
  we talking about? And this is the first time I
• 51:37
  questioned in like, oh, he could have just taken.
• 51:38
  The door. Why is anybody up?
• 51:40
  There. Bring a fire buddy showcase.
• 51:43
  Why are they trying to drag this fucking beast and all the
• 51:47
  cranking and all the talking and all the time and energy and.
• 51:50
  I didn't even think about that part.
• 51:52
  Walk him in the fucking door. You got a.
• 51:54
  Door. I was just thinking they could
• 51:55
  just access down. There that too.
• 51:57
  It's like there is nothing logical AND.
• 52:00
  You said it was a comedy, so it felt.
• 52:02
  Comedic. At this point, it just felt like
• 52:03
  there was no thought whatsoever given to anything in the movie.
• 52:07
  If William would have said, why do you tell me there was a door
• 52:11
  here? Now we're talking comedy, right?
• 52:12
  Yeah, that's a missed opportunity.
• 52:14
  It's just, it's so silly to me. I was like, I think I'm gonna
• 52:16
  leave, I'm gonna walk out. This is a bad situation here.
• 52:20
  Yeah, it's amazing how a movie can have certain faults and you
• 52:25
  can't argue them. They're there, they're on the
• 52:27
  screen, but they're doing some things that you are craving for
• 52:31
  or doing it so well that when you go back to I remember that
• 52:35
  adrenaline rush, sure. Oh, I love that.
• 52:37
  I love this moment and it's enough to somehow carry through
• 52:40
  or push through these little issues, that one little issues.
• 52:44
  If you will. Yeah, I think that's the trick
• 52:46
  of movies, right? If you do one thing really well,
• 52:48
  then you can get away with doing a couple things not so well or
• 52:51
  whatever metrics. But the problem is for me, it's
• 52:54
  doing nothing well. It's not your genre, right?
• 52:56
  Anything. And even actually we've talked
• 52:58
  about I love those Bond movies like, so it's not just action
• 53:01
  blanket that I'm out. It's a harder bar to cross for
• 53:04
  sure. Yeah, but it's not like just as
• 53:06
  you've liked horror movies that we've watched, it's a harder
• 53:08
  bar. But if you're doing it right,
• 53:11
  that element of it I can cross over.
• 53:13
  And that was really my motivation to bring this one
• 53:16
  off. It was thought the action, yeah.
• 53:18
  So I'm curious to see if, because if what I think of the
• 53:21
  action is enough for Phil to say, OK, these set pieces are
• 53:24
  good. I can ignore some of the faults
• 53:26
  that you would normally. I think that's possible.
• 53:28
  Just I don't think this is the movie for it.
• 53:29
  I think that the stuff that's delivering on the action.
• 53:31
  I'll keep is, of course. I'll keep trying.
• 53:33
  I want you to good. I appreciate that.
• 53:35
  Just as I'll keep bringing the horror, you know, whatever else,
• 53:37
  we'll find a middle ground. But we're discovering these are
• 53:40
  really too big leaps. I just don't want you to come
• 53:43
  back next week with a revenge piece, you know, like, you know,
• 53:48
  sure it's not November, so it can't be a horror movie.
• 53:51
  We have a. We have a deal.
• 53:53
  We have a deal, not November. Uber Seattle.
• 53:57
  I'm already hoping it's over. That's right.
• 53:59
  Let's jump. They did capture the beasts.
• 54:03
  They did it the hard way. Yeah, the magnet works.
• 54:06
  And of course, buddy from the big city comes and like, well,
• 54:10
  I'm taking it because that's what we do.
• 54:11
  And yeah, that's what you would do.
• 54:13
  Sure. You have the big wigs that come
• 54:14
  in. Think they know?
• 54:15
  It all, of course we'll take it from here.
• 54:17
  You got us here, but we know what to do.
• 54:18
  Very relevant. Totally felt.
• 54:20
  Yeah, we'll take. Over.
• 54:22
  And this is where the two guys, Tover and William, really butt
• 54:25
  heads. Yeah, they're on two different
• 54:28
  characters. Tovar is is about the mission.
• 54:31
  Yeah, rightfully so. He came here looking for black
• 54:33
  powder you found, and we found Defoe.
• 54:36
  Defoe. Yeah.
• 54:37
  So, like, mission accomplished. Let's get the fuck out of here.
• 54:40
  And Damon somehow has a change of heart now.
• 54:42
  You're obviously smitten. So you believe that they have
• 54:46
  the relationship that no brainer?
• 54:48
  Yeah, it's an easy decision. Got banned in your family?
• 54:51
  Your life. Take care.
• 54:54
  Don't care. Cut my hand off.
• 54:55
  I don't know. I live here now.
• 54:57
  So whatever you. Give me my own room, my man
• 55:01
  cave. Good.
• 55:03
  OK. I struggled a little bit with
• 55:05
  Damon as OHT. No, I'm one of you now.
• 55:09
  I don't really buy. It yeah, I mean, I connect a
• 55:11
  couple of dots where I think he doesn't want to be that thief
• 55:15
  anymore. He wants to have a little more
• 55:17
  honor and I think general in which she earned, she's been
• 55:21
  upgraded, is rubbing off on her little bit saying I want to
• 55:25
  fight for more than just food. I wanted to count.
• 55:28
  I want to be something better. I don't think the movie displays
• 55:33
  that well enough. I'm putting that in there and I
• 55:37
  don't mind putting a little bit of work into the movie if it's
• 55:40
  doing things that I'm liking, which this movie is.
• 55:43
  So I think that's why I allow that and why I don't mind doing
• 55:46
  that. Can I ask you a question around
• 55:49
  this? Just popped in my brain so bear
• 55:50
  with. It unscripted.
• 55:51
  I don't know. 60 years they've been waiting for these animals.
• 55:57
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 55:57
  Every 60 years you've got that. You listening?
• 55:59
  How long are these battles? A couple days, right?
• 56:05
  Like, I wonder, is there a set? Like we have a week, we have 4
• 56:09
  days that we have to defend. Defend Yeah.
• 56:11
  He is committing to being here and they're reacting is if this
• 56:15
  is their lives. Room for the long haul, but
• 56:17
  really it's only like a week. Does that mean they've always
• 56:20
  won in previous battles or that they've just everyone's been
• 56:24
  killed every 60 years? You just reset the population.
• 56:27
  How did they know when it starts and stops?
• 56:29
  Well, the great thing about this movie is they leave a lot to the
• 56:31
  imagination. The impression I get is they
• 56:35
  probably lose a lot of lives of course and.
• 56:37
  Watched it happen. And then they go dormant once
• 56:40
  they are fed enough. I see you top up the Queen to
• 56:44
  whatever she needs, but they're not making anymore.
• 56:46
  Progress because they. Need the energy to build and go
• 56:49
  further. Yeah, so I think their job is to
• 56:51
  make sure that they're only fed so much before they go dormant.
• 56:54
  I don't know. Again, I don't have a clear
• 56:56
  answer for you. It's OK.
• 56:58
  I would watch it again. How are you?
• 56:59
  Yeah, I reference it only in in context of what Damon is
• 57:02
  committing to. What's he going to do?
• 57:03
  After what is this? Is this over in two days?
• 57:06
  Like now what? Right?
• 57:07
  Like marriage get both. Like what?
• 57:10
  Lock it in. Anyway, I'm not really buying
• 57:13
  that relationship for him to kind of be that rubbed off and
• 57:17
  and be that committed to the cause.
• 57:19
  But also I started thinking then what is the cause?
• 57:21
  Like what is? What are we committing to?
• 57:23
  We don't know. OK, don't worry about it.
• 57:26
  What we do know is Defoe and his character and Tovar.
• 57:30
  They're committed. They are committed with him or
• 57:32
  not, he says. If they're busy trying to kill
• 57:36
  William, yeah. That works for them.
• 57:38
  It works for them. They're distracted.
• 57:39
  Yeah. Another word for that is every
• 57:41
  man for themselves. Yeah, exactly.
• 57:44
  Another issue that arose here is they.
• 57:47
  Find a hole in the wall. You know what?
• 57:52
  This might be the answer to why they retreated.
• 57:54
  The whole point was them just to make the whole.
• 57:56
  Hmm, it's all a distraction. Again, very relevant.
• 57:59
  Yeah, yeah. Today's society distracts, is
• 58:01
  the word of the. Day, but that's going to be a
• 58:03
  problem because now they could have access to bigger cities and
• 58:08
  obviously feed the queen more. Sure.
• 58:11
  Yeah. So maybe they've just been
• 58:13
  working on this much like Shawshank Redemption.
• 58:16
  Yeah, it's been plugging away. Every 60 years they get to dig a
• 58:19
  little bit more. Could be.
• 58:21
  Keep them busy, you're making sense to me.
• 58:24
  Now that is more than what the movie gave me, so if that is the
• 58:27
  case, that good. I'm here to help.
• 58:29
  But they realized Tovar does that.
• 58:31
  William's not coming slowly. They knock him out.
• 58:34
  Yeah, sure, he's that needed to get rid of him.
• 58:36
  Yep. Not gonna kill him though.
• 58:38
  Let's show some loyalty there. It's not, I don't want to say
• 58:42
  the town. It's not quite that
• 58:43
  relationship. The issue is is General Lynn
• 58:47
  doesn't believe that Matt Damon was trying to stop.
• 58:50
  Them. No, there's no trust.
• 58:52
  There is no trust. I thought she should have given
• 58:54
  the benefit of doubt at. This point 100%.
• 58:56
  He's worked with the Sleepy Spears.
• 58:58
  He went down that chain when he could have used the door, Chose
• 59:01
  not. He chose not to.
• 59:02
  He's got his bow. He's doing the work.
• 59:04
  He's. Coming up with ideas and the
• 59:05
  kid, the young soldiers, yes, yes, he's like, I was there.
• 59:08
  Yeah, he did good. Works is what happened, so they
• 59:11
  decide not to kill him, but still to throw in prison.
• 59:14
  Silly romantic comedy stuff. Right.
• 59:17
  Like, oh, understanding we're fighting now.
• 59:19
  I can't trust you at all. To label this as a romantic
• 59:22
  comedy, well. It's.
• 59:24
  How dare you? How dare you Sir.
• 59:28
  Romantic comedy movies and action masterpiece.
• 59:34
  Unfortunately, the kid has the keys and now we can find the
• 59:36
  keys. Finally.
• 59:37
  It's not fumbling around. Yeah, he's got bigger problems
• 59:40
  coming up, but. Speaking of bigger problems,
• 59:43
  Willem Dafoe, let's just put a capper on this.
• 59:46
  Waste of a character. Yeah, performance.
• 59:48
  He double crosses Tovar. Could have seen that coming.
• 59:51
  He's willing to. Fuck, I didn't see it coming.
• 59:53
  Wow. Yeah.
• 59:54
  So that's a good twist. But it makes sense.
• 59:57
  Sure. I love how it didn't.
• 59:58
  Work out for him? Well, sure.
• 1:00:00
  When you think about a movie that could get a little bit
• 1:00:02
  messy on tying up some loose ends, gunpowder, people fumbling
• 1:00:06
  around with it, don't really know what it is, and you can't
• 1:00:09
  talk. He's gagged.
• 1:00:10
  Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:11
  He should know what that is. Experimented for one year?
• 1:00:16
  OK, that is a nice way to to kill off that character.
• 1:00:22
  And it's good for Tover, ultimately, because he would
• 1:00:24
  have had the same fate had he not been double.
• 1:00:26
  Crossed. Yeah, he.
• 1:00:27
  Wins. He doesn't lose his big.
• 1:00:28
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He comes out of this pretty
• 1:00:31
  clean for a guy that is so disinterested in everything
• 1:00:33
  that's happening. Here's a great arc, but this
• 1:00:35
  talk about Damon's arc here, this is where it really happens.
• 1:00:39
  Yeah, he really turns him and Wang.
• 1:00:43
  No offence. Like you know what that means?
• 1:00:47
  It's reference to Caddyshack. OK, I was like to keep playing.
• 1:00:50
  Dumb here. This is my partner, Mr. Wang.
• 1:00:52
  No offence. But if he's gonna go with Wang,
• 1:00:56
  hmm, he needs his bow. Yeah, who cares?
• 1:01:00
  I'm really struggling. You gotta bring me.
• 1:01:01
  Home. I was able to lightly make an
• 1:01:06
  emotional connection here. The music has amped up just a
• 1:01:10
  little bit, and again, I think I'm putting the effort into it,
• 1:01:14
  but I did almost tear up a little.
• 1:01:16
  Wow, Yeah, I can do that. I don't think you can.
• 1:01:20
  He has proven on this podcast that you are unable.
• 1:01:22
  If I. Muster emotion most of the.
• 1:01:24
  Time. If I have certain investments in
• 1:01:28
  the movie, OK, I am willing. Like I've said before, give
• 1:01:31
  yourself over to do a little bit more work to help things move.
• 1:01:34
  Along impressed and agog. Again, there's no tear.
• 1:01:39
  Of course, a little bit of the left eye got a little water.
• 1:01:42
  Alright, no salty discharge. Yeah, when he commits to like
• 1:01:45
  I'm in this. Yeah, let's go.
• 1:01:47
  OK. We're going to take this to the
• 1:01:49
  end. I'm like, yeah.
• 1:01:50
  Alright, yeah, that's and I'm glad that it gets its hooks in
• 1:01:53
  you that way. Well, she she got her hooks.
• 1:01:55
  It helps a lot, it really does. I can't express that enough.
• 1:01:59
  I hope my wife not listening. Should probably turn it off
• 1:02:03
  while. 5 minutes and they get in the hot air balloon.
• 1:02:07
  Another great MacGyver episode if you recall season 1 again.
• 1:02:11
  Yeah, Wizard of Oz 2. Yeah, sure, whatever.
• 1:02:14
  I'm talking about classics here and they make our way to the big
• 1:02:16
  city and we really have our denosumab like our last, you
• 1:02:20
  know, 10-15 minutes or bringing it home here.
• 1:02:23
  Yeah. Is there anything here that has
• 1:02:26
  you at all interested? No, this is the last battle.
• 1:02:30
  I dare? I asked.
• 1:02:31
  The last ball battle, I wondered a little bit why they wouldn't
• 1:02:35
  attack the Queen's feeding because they have that like long
• 1:02:38
  shot where they're seemingly all busy feeding the queen.
• 1:02:41
  So you're like, well, you could probably throw a couple things.
• 1:02:43
  And I know they try it later and.
• 1:02:44
  They did you not see the defence, they.
• 1:02:46
  Have they got a good? Defence, Defence wins
• 1:02:47
  championships because there's about, I want to say 12 Raccoon
• 1:02:51
  yeah, there's like there's 18 billion of the regular ones, the
• 1:02:55
  toe ties and there's 12 that have these giant hard shell
• 1:03:00
  backs and they're like her entourage.
• 1:03:02
  That's right. So you need a little bit.
• 1:03:04
  More, I will grant that the hierarchy of these aliens or
• 1:03:08
  what have you, I think are interesting, but we don't know.
• 1:03:11
  We're not giving anything with them but the sort of queen bee
• 1:03:14
  thing, and I did like that there was that defence mechanism.
• 1:03:17
  I think the way that the movie utilizes it and the way it uses,
• 1:03:21
  you know, Damon's throwing in the dynamite or whatever and
• 1:03:24
  it's getting knocked down and up back and they're like, oh, we've
• 1:03:27
  got another last ditch. Effort one, yeah, which is a
• 1:03:30
  little weak because the whole movie he's had the shot.
• 1:03:32
  He's had the shot. Man and after he misses the
• 1:03:34
  first one, oh, I can go higher up.
• 1:03:36
  Why wouldn't you do that in the 1st place?
• 1:03:38
  You've shown us that you're. The guy you know, right?
• 1:03:41
  You've seen you. Know yeah, you would go with the
• 1:03:43
  best possible odds I would think.
• 1:03:45
  And it felt obscenely hard the first shot, and then decidedly
• 1:03:51
  easy by the end. A lot of luck.
• 1:03:54
  So I found myself just really rolling my eyes again at feeling
• 1:03:58
  like a it's a lot of slop crawling up these Spires and
• 1:04:00
  like it just. Like a mess of fucking couch for
• 1:04:03
  your eyes. I think when they do too much
• 1:04:05
  CGI. Boring too.
• 1:04:06
  To me it's just all like the same bland.
• 1:04:08
  It just blends into each other. Let's also thankful for all the
• 1:04:11
  colours before like OK thank you because it helps offset the
• 1:04:15
  blend. I agree with that 100%.
• 1:04:16
  That's that's to me like it was a highlight because it at least
• 1:04:18
  for a moment allowed me to figure out what the hell is
• 1:04:20
  going on because the rest of it just feels like a bit of a
• 1:04:22
  disaster. So it didn't feel like it was
• 1:04:24
  the big payoff maybe that I would have.
• 1:04:26
  Hoped I 100% agree with you. The payoff isn't there for me.
• 1:04:29
  What I came to watch this movie before has come and gone at this
• 1:04:32
  point. But I don't like dislike it.
• 1:04:34
  I'm willing to see it right to the end because again.
• 1:04:37
  I'm we're not tearing up at the last moment, you know, like,
• 1:04:39
  yeah, alright, you know, unbreakable type of elevation.
• 1:04:43
  Or no, I do like Damon saving her.
• 1:04:46
  Her spear physics are little jakey like that wouldn't work.
• 1:04:50
  I did notice that didn't age very well.
• 1:04:53
  What did you think of the sacrifices though?
• 1:04:55
  We have the kid who is a little bumbling.
• 1:04:57
  Yes, he has been accused of not having courage, but Matt Damon
• 1:05:01
  has some connection to him and he he's wounded, so he can't
• 1:05:05
  stay up and he sacrifices himself.
• 1:05:07
  Well, we know if these guys hurt your shoulder, you're.
• 1:05:09
  Dead so well, that's the thing, it's a similar type of injury,
• 1:05:13
  right? But he's fine.
• 1:05:14
  But he has one for the. Team.
• 1:05:15
  I think it allows the movie to have some modicum of drama
• 1:05:20
  because the rest of it, as I said, I think it's a comedy.
• 1:05:22
  And then Wang, not long after, like, well, you need the magnet
• 1:05:25
  more than me. Chucks it up.
• 1:05:27
  Yeah. And he's obviously as a result
• 1:05:28
  power off screen. That's.
• 1:05:29
  Right. So you get a couple of moments
• 1:05:31
  to offer some real stakes. Yeah, but I mean, it's too
• 1:05:34
  little, too late to me. We're talking about the last 10
• 1:05:36
  minutes of the movie. None of these people have had
• 1:05:38
  any real character. So when these people go, it's
• 1:05:41
  not like, oh, I love that guy or that character was really
• 1:05:43
  interesting or cool or funny, anything, right?
• 1:05:46
  So it happened. I think it's meant to make us
• 1:05:48
  feel something. But at the end, I'm so tuned out
• 1:05:50
  of what's happening O it's like any other nameless, faceless
• 1:05:53
  person died like they did at the beginning.
• 1:05:55
  I don't have like that relationship so I didn't care.
• 1:05:58
  That was one magic blue rope though, you have to admit.
• 1:06:00
  The whole magical My God, man. But ultimately, it's not a movie
• 1:06:04
  like Unbreakable or Inception. When I talked about some lulls,
• 1:06:08
  because I've watched it a few times, this is almost the
• 1:06:10
  opposite. This is getting better with age.
• 1:06:12
  It's not the ending that keeps it alive for Inception.
• 1:06:15
  I'm like a lot of exposition, like, OK, I know this is
• 1:06:18
  happening, here we go. But I know this scene is coming
• 1:06:21
  at the end. Unbreakable pretty slow, yeah,
• 1:06:24
  that movie, but that 40 seconds is amazing yeah, this is the
• 1:06:27
  opposite of that. I've loved this movie scenes
• 1:06:29
  before and the ending is like. OK.
• 1:06:32
  But that is the benefit because you're riding so high, you're
• 1:06:34
  like, well, yeah, it's like when I was in high school, do really
• 1:06:36
  well in the first semester just to because I knew I could coast
• 1:06:40
  for the rest. Like if I start, you know,
• 1:06:42
  saying half of the year with an A-B.
• 1:06:45
  Plus bring it down to a C minus. I can, I can not do anything
• 1:06:48
  more and still get with AC. So I'm like, yeah, I'll do that.
• 1:06:51
  That explains a. Lot And that feels like what
• 1:06:53
  this movie is doing for you. It's loading up at the front
• 1:06:56
  end. Yeah.
• 1:06:57
  So that it can kind of coast. After Yeah, because I mean that
• 1:07:00
  that first battle sequence that I love is 10 minutes into the
• 1:07:03
  movie and I'm just salivating for more than one reason.
• 1:07:07
  Phillip, the last line of the movie.
• 1:07:09
  This wrap it up here. Damon's given a choice, his
• 1:07:13
  character William. You can have Tovar who's been
• 1:07:17
  caught again. Yep.
• 1:07:19
  Or you can have the black powder.
• 1:07:22
  There really should be an option C.
• 1:07:24
  Lynn. Lynn, this is where I'm like,
• 1:07:27
  come on, Really. You're picking this guy?
• 1:07:29
  Yeah, I would totally stay. Yeah. 100%.
• 1:07:33
  At that point, what are you leaving for?
• 1:07:35
  We've talked about this before is we don't always want them to
• 1:07:39
  get together. No, the 2 characters correct,
• 1:07:42
  they don't effectively. There isn't really any sexual
• 1:07:46
  tension, nothing. It's between her and me.
• 1:07:50
  She's there. I don't know if she felt it.
• 1:07:52
  I certainly did. Yeah, what you one way, But they
• 1:07:57
  never alluded to them becoming an item.
• 1:08:00
  And I do appreciate that it's bullshit but whatever.
• 1:08:04
  But they want these two guys together ultimately at the end
• 1:08:07
  to book ends. I guess relationship again, just
• 1:08:10
  nothing makes sense. Why would Damon ever trust him
• 1:08:12
  again? Why would he come back to go to?
• 1:08:15
  Damon and it's a toxic relationship.
• 1:08:17
  You're only about the black powder.
• 1:08:19
  You're not even getting it. I think there.
• 1:08:21
  Was the whole thing for There's growth I guess.
• 1:08:24
  Yeah, there may not be a Great Wall too, as you would probably
• 1:08:28
  argue that was never there was all.
• 1:08:30
  For a Great Wall to begin with, there was the Wall.
• 1:08:35
  It's bad. Well, let me ask you one last
• 1:08:37
  question. Is it going on your shelf OK?
• 1:08:40
  No. No.
• 1:08:42
  Almost immediately failed to cross whatever threshold.
• 1:08:45
  I had such a good run with you and I took a chance.
• 1:08:47
  Here, you really did. It's been a good run for both of
• 1:08:50
  us. I think you've liked a lot of
• 1:08:51
  what I've come off with generally, generally speaking,
• 1:08:54
  since the new year. Certainly, you know, American
• 1:08:55
  president was a big one, Groundhog Day was a big one.
• 1:08:58
  But even volcano you like, I like volcano Everest, really
• 1:09:02
  like Everest by comparison. But yeah, this one I just could
• 1:09:04
  never get my hooks in because. I like this movie significantly
• 1:09:07
  more than Volcano. Yeah, I did not.
• 1:09:10
  OK. I really struggled.
• 1:09:11
  The fact of the matter is it was an early dismissal and it never
• 1:09:17
  really ever got me back. OK, for you to answer my
• 1:09:19
  original question, let me speak for you please.
• 1:09:24
  You don't think this movie was able to be successful in terms
• 1:09:28
  of, I want to say, being a light action movie?
• 1:09:32
  No, I think it wants to be a better action movie.
• 1:09:34
  It wants to be a funnier action movie, wants to be a more
• 1:09:36
  dramatic action movie, wants to be a more heroic action movie.
• 1:09:40
  And I think if it succeeds on any of them, the characters
• 1:09:42
  don't get to be heroes because we don't know anything about
• 1:09:45
  them. The villains aren't as bad as
• 1:09:47
  they could be because we're not told anything about them.
• 1:09:49
  They don't have names. They don't have anything really
• 1:09:51
  like attached to them. The six year thing is a lot of
• 1:09:53
  ambiguity around it. What does it mean the
• 1:09:56
  characters, Lynn and the generals don't have any real
• 1:09:58
  personalities to make us care that one of them is sacrificing
• 1:10:02
  or not? The action to me was so CGI
• 1:10:04
  sloppy that I was never engaged in that long enough.
• 1:10:08
  And I found it. Honestly, I've wrestled at times
• 1:10:10
  thinking, is this a comedy? And if I have to ask that
• 1:10:13
  question, it means you're not doing something right, you're
• 1:10:15
  not funny enough, or you're not dramatic enough, because it
• 1:10:17
  shouldn't be a question. I never thought for two seconds
• 1:10:20
  this was a comedy, which I find strange.
• 1:10:22
  There's a lot of things in the movie that I think are played
• 1:10:24
  for laughs or attempted to be played.
• 1:10:25
  For laughs, I put that under just poor dialogue.
• 1:10:27
  That's where I categorized that. Sure.
• 1:10:29
  Just not being incredibly well written movie, which is
• 1:10:31
  surprising because had five writers on this.
• 1:10:33
  Yeah, maybe that's just too many.
• 1:10:35
  Could be to have one. So Phillip is not going on your
• 1:10:38
  shelf? Absolutely.
• 1:10:39
  There's nothing I can do to convince you this movie easily
• 1:10:42
  stays on my shelf. Yeah, there's even a doubt.
• 1:10:45
  I thought the charm had maybe worn off.
• 1:10:47
  Hmm. Because I'm banking so much on
• 1:10:51
  two or three really big set piece scenes.
• 1:10:54
  But I enjoyed it as much as I ever have.
• 1:10:56
  Really. That much?
• 1:10:57
  Those slow motion action sequences?
• 1:11:00
  Yeah. Yum, Yum, Yum.
• 1:11:01
  Absolutely love it. It just checks the box of
• 1:11:04
  entertaining and easy to digest. Not unlike what these animals
• 1:11:09
  are like humans. The tight 90 minutes up into the
• 1:11:15
  credits, sure, that's helpful. Yeah, but not really.
• 1:11:18
  And along with those action sequences, Jing Tian is a magnet
• 1:11:22
  to me, and I'm never bored. And to me, that's a win.
• 1:11:25
  If I'm watching a movie, I'm never bored of it.
• 1:11:27
  And I've enjoyed my 90 minutes. It's one of my 4K favorites.
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  Wow. I know.
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  In the top tier. No, I have not watched the 30
• 1:11:36
  plus times, but if I want to go watch that type of movie, it
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  represents that on my shelf. It's the best one out of that
• 1:11:45
  category for me. Wow, it's it's really strange.
• 1:11:48
  I think IMDb seriously got this one wrong.
• 1:11:51
  And you got it wrong too. I didn't want to say it now,
• 1:11:55
  Phil, I did right here. I was going to ask you, because
• 1:11:58
  this is scripted, have I sold this movie to you?
• 1:12:02
  But I think you've already. Answered that a number of times.
• 1:12:04
  I. Think that's too bad?
• 1:12:05
  I'm sorry to hear it. Buddy, that's OK, David, you
• 1:12:07
  know you took a gamble. So if you're willing to gamble
• 1:12:09
  this week, I'm willing to gamble next week, and that's.
• 1:12:12
  Oh yeah, you want tease what you have next?
• 1:12:14
  Week I just did that's it yeah I'm not going to go too much OK
• 1:12:18
  alright Damon movie Ohta Damon I see yeah this is a one up
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  another said I couldn't help you out with punishment I'm gonna
• 1:12:26
  I'm gonna try and one up people with the quality.
• 1:12:28
  Film You're sick, Man, I love. It that's it, folks.
• 1:12:32
  We're all a little sick here. Thanks for listening, as always
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• 1:12:41
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• 1:12:43
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• 1:12:44
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• 1:12:49
  season 60, I don't know. If you find him, tell him to
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  come listen. Yeah, they're, they're very good
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  listening. They are.
• 1:12:55
  They are very good years. Goodnight.