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The Punisher is Back!!! (Daredevil: Born Again Episode Four Reactions) · For All Nerds Show

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  Speaker 1: We are here to review Dead Evil Born Again Episode four,
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  Speaker 1: where we answered the question on everyone's mind. Did Foggy
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  Speaker 1: get like? And what's up y'all? Welcome back to this
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  Speaker 1: episode of four All Nerds Show. It's your boy, DJ
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  Speaker 1: Ben I mean AKA L dab Love, I'm a god
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  Speaker 1: it aka it's Matt Murder here in the spaceship back
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  Speaker 1: to review Dead Evil Born Again Episode foe, and as always,
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  Speaker 1: I'm joined.
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  Speaker 2: By I wonder what yarn rules up to?
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  Speaker 1: It's eternal question, right there, boy.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder what y'ar rul thinks about this? Uh?
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  Speaker 3: This is Tatiana KNDy Grantch's obscurringd That is a tech
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  Speaker 3: also known as the Coders went to Soldier Ever, Doc Oky,
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  Speaker 3: Tessa Rak Thompson, Fax, the Destroyer of Bread and doctor
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  Speaker 3: doing something strange for some change.
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  Speaker 1: That murder of that, that's fucking amazing. I got give
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  Speaker 1: myself on that, Thank you very much. I almost choked
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  Speaker 1: on my own coffee. It is episode full of Uh.
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  Speaker 1: There that was borne again. We are back to reviewing
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  Speaker 1: after the tragic.
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  Speaker 2: Bone Again came out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that Texas came out right there after the tragedy
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  Speaker 1: of episode three goddamn man. Shout out to everybody on
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  Speaker 1: the YouTube leaving comments who had to remind me about
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  Speaker 1: the ko kys. I forgot about that. We didn't mention that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't mention them fucking singing at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the goddamn episode.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't realize that. I didn't realize it.
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  Speaker 1: They did, Oh they did, as I forgot to mention
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  Speaker 1: that last week. But trust me, y'all, it broke my
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  Speaker 1: goddamn heart. The first time I wafted that episode, I
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  Speaker 1: was sitting here in silence and then God then frauds
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  Speaker 1: and singing to each other.
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  Speaker 2: That's sad. And like I said, I mean, b it's
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  Speaker 2: just sad in general.
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  Speaker 1: And rest in peace to the after playing White Tiger.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Kamar de los Rees. Rest in peace, blessings and
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  Speaker 1: love to your family and friends. He passed away from
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  Speaker 1: cancer after completing the role of White Tiger, and it's devastating.
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  Speaker 1: You know, as someone who's lost friends to cancer, I
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  Speaker 1: know how that is. And yeah, it just sucks. Man,
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  Speaker 1: So combat cancer, combat cancer forever. And man, you know,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for blessing us with this, you know, last gift,
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  Speaker 1: because that was an amazing role. You did excellent work
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  Speaker 1: and that episode was just, you know, heartbreaking in every way.
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  Speaker 1: And then we get the episode fuck Okay. I had
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  Speaker 1: to rewatch this episode because of my first watch. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, this was when this was my first
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  Speaker 1: oof of watching this show where I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, fam like, I don't know, you know.
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  Speaker 1: On the rewatch, I found things I enjoyed more about
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  Speaker 1: the episode. There's still a lot of more of my
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  Speaker 1: issues with it, you know.
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  Speaker 2: But do you think it's filler?
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  Speaker 1: No, And I really disliked that word. I do think that,
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  Speaker 1: but damn, I disliked that word.
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  Speaker 2: But h but if it's it seems a fit what
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  Speaker 2: you're thinking.
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  Speaker 1: To be honest, there's definitely And this is okay, this
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  Speaker 1: is part of the like and because I've seen more
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  Speaker 1: of the season, I'm not gonna give everything away, but
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  Speaker 1: I will say that the whole the thing with Muse,
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  Speaker 1: with this dude and his killings and stuff, I don't care,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Like wow, Like I just don't care, though,
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  Speaker 1: And uh, I'm struggling to see the thematically, like how
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  Speaker 1: it relates to the main story other than like the
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  Speaker 1: very basic stuff. And again, I don't care, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so you know, I get it. You know, vigilantees are bad,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and then you know mass men, you know
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  Speaker 1: high and Okay, get it now that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm thinking about it, not that i'm thinking about it,
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  Speaker 3: because and I also have seen, you know, most of
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  Speaker 3: the season already, and and as I'm literally comparing my notes,
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking at them like this episode is much smaller
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  Speaker 3: than the other ones. And and while I still enjoyed it,
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  Speaker 3: I will say maybe it's the weakest one out of
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  Speaker 3: them so far, perhaps episode four.
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  Speaker 2: I can see your.
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  Speaker 3: Point where you're like, it kind of is not it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of not connected to the rest of the story,
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  Speaker 3: at least not thematically, Like it's just giving you some
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  Speaker 3: information and kind of like speeches, like like this is
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  Speaker 3: the speeches episode, because there's two major speeches here that
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  Speaker 3: I fucked with lee Roy Bradford's speech Lever Bradford being
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  Speaker 3: the man that you know got arrested for stealing the Crackerjacks,
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  Speaker 3: not the crackerjacks or crunching munch or whatever the fuck.
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  Speaker 2: And then the Frank Castle pet talk that I call it,
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  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, how about Foggy He gets like that, like
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  Speaker 2: when I say I'm gonna start there because I love
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  Speaker 2: Frank Castle, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Specifically, Oh my god.
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  Speaker 3: And that little reunion was fucking hilarious and and all
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  Speaker 3: of the best in the worst words, it was fucking
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  Speaker 3: hilarious because it was just like, what the fuck are
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  Speaker 3: you doing, Frank, Like you're just down here, milling about
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  Speaker 3: like a ninja turtle. And then like and then when
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  Speaker 3: when Matt walks in, it's like, you got some people,
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  Speaker 3: you know, was this shoe, you know, you know, giving
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  Speaker 3: him the engraved bullet case and was this shoe? And
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  Speaker 3: he was like, no, it's not me, you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: the niggas upstairs, you know, my my fanboys or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm just like, so you're gonna do anything about it, sir,
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  Speaker 3: Like they're using a name in vain, my nigga, they're
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  Speaker 3: using your whole your whole ship man.
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  Speaker 2: But but no, he's down bad and feeling away. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, as.
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  Speaker 3: Damn bad as you are, who is you to be
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  Speaker 3: giving speeches to Matt Murdock about what he should and
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  Speaker 3: should not be doing?
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  Speaker 2: But whatever, But.
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  Speaker 1: He written for Philter.
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  Speaker 2: That said he read him for film.
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  Speaker 3: I gotta give himose sides. It's like, who was you,
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  Speaker 3: but at the same time you wasn't wrong.
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  Speaker 1: No, he's out a line.
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  Speaker 3: And I was with him because I was like, get him, Frank,
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  Speaker 3: because it was just like Matt was doing this whole
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  Speaker 3: feeling sorry for himself ship and it was annoying, like that,
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  Speaker 3: I'm never gonna go to that lifestyle again, nigga?
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  Speaker 2: Who else? Who the fuck else is gonna be that?
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  Speaker 1: You're the guy nigga, Like there is only one blonde
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  Speaker 1: nigga that traded by ninjas, just you.
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  Speaker 2: Only you can save God in this New York and like,
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  Speaker 2: come on, man.
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  Speaker 3: Like I just I just liked right and what I
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  Speaker 3: talked about, what I from the beginning of the series,
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  Speaker 3: what I really enjoy is that when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: Wilson Fisk character, this was confisted and this Matt Murdock
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  Speaker 3: is the back and forth between them, and I saw
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  Speaker 3: another great back and forth with Frank Castle.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And I love that dynamic.
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  Speaker 3: I love I love relationship dynamics when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: characters and where it's like when you see them, you're
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  Speaker 3: like it's either on site or they're playing cat and
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  Speaker 3: mouse or whatever it is, or one is reading the
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  Speaker 3: other for filth. Every fucking time they pull up, and
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  Speaker 3: I just enjoyed that conversation a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it goes without saying, but I'll say it again,
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  Speaker 1: like John Barrethal, Charlie Cox, Vincent Dianafrio. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: the actor's name playing Vanessa. I need to give her
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  Speaker 1: her props real quick, because these people inhabit these roles
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  Speaker 1: in a way that just makes any scene with them fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Because while like I said, this is definitely to me
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  Speaker 1: the weakest of them all, every scene that involved those
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  Speaker 1: four actors was it was fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: And her name is isle Zerrair. I believe that's how
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  Speaker 2: you pronounced it.
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  Speaker 3: Let a y E l E t let zero.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, excuse us for butchering your name, miss, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, fantastic work, like just absolutely fantastic work throughout
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  Speaker 1: this series, throughout the you know, every time you've ever
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  Speaker 1: been on screen, Vanessa, and it returns because the scene
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  Speaker 1: with them at the psychiatrist was one of my favorite scenes,
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  Speaker 1: even though you know, I'm still hoping that my man
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  Speaker 1: is somehow behind them, knowing the psychiaty gotta be behind it,
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  Speaker 1: got to be behind it, because what happens to be
• 8:39
  Speaker 1: because Neil is trash, right, that's the name. Neil is
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  Speaker 1: definitely not the arranger Order Rods. We can confirm that
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  Speaker 1: by this episode. Talk about the young one, Yeah Daniel, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: yeah Daniels.
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  Speaker 3: Actors son James, who's doing a great job.
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  Speaker 2: He is doing a great job. But damn Daniel, but.
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  Speaker 1: Damn Daniel, you trash. Definitely not the ranger Order Rods.
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  Speaker 1: But back to Vanessa and Wilson in that office, just incredible.
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  Speaker 1: And where's Adam now?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, said, I don't know. And no matter what,
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  Speaker 2: they got each other. They is holding each other down, no.
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  Speaker 1: Matter what, no matter what. And then you know, she
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  Speaker 1: tried to ask her as he left, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: she's like, he never harmed me. And then you cut
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  Speaker 1: to Vincent knowing where Adam is and harming this woman
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  Speaker 1: and you know one way, like maybe not physically, but
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  Speaker 1: psychologically mentally. Everything else we also see. I want to
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  Speaker 1: say that that wall that Vincent walks by with the
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  Speaker 1: blood spatter, that's from when he killed his father, right.
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  Speaker 3: I don't remember. I thought that wall was significant for
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  Speaker 3: something because.
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  Speaker 1: He hits his dad with a hammer and the blood
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  Speaker 1: splattered on the wall.
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  Speaker 2: I remember left it as a painting as a Jackson.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he took that joint out of the apartment
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  Speaker 1: and made it into a jazz Yeah Jesus. And then
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  Speaker 1: you know him sitting down to enjoy his favorite meal
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  Speaker 1: with Adam sitting there and talking about forgiveness and all
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  Speaker 1: that was just me. I can't lie. I'm rolling. I'm
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  Speaker 1: like on the.
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  Speaker 3: Ground, I'm like, why is he eating like the best
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  Speaker 3: of rack of lamb and just and then smacking.
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  Speaker 1: On that ship.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, what is he doing?
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  Speaker 3: Like the cruelty and again just Wilson Wilson Fisk is
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  Speaker 3: a thug. Yes, that's one thing the complete Commissioner was
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  Speaker 3: right about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeahn is a thug and will always be a thug.
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  Speaker 2: And that's fine.
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  Speaker 3: But the tactics that are used, okay, like questionable, load up,
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  Speaker 3: load down, dirty, dirty, effective, ruse ahead, out of line
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  Speaker 3: but not we I mentioned lee Roy Bradford's speech when
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  Speaker 3: he talks about the broken system. But I was just
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  Speaker 3: like a first, I was laughing, Like when Matt went
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  Speaker 3: to represent him and he was just like, so you
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  Speaker 3: stole these fucking cunchy months, right, He was just like
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  Speaker 3: he was just like could have been a scroll right.
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  Speaker 3: That incredible sent me because I was like, thank you
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  Speaker 3: for now looping in the scrolls into the universe, and
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  Speaker 3: thank you also for utilizing it in a way that
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  Speaker 3: made sense for his character too, because it's just like
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  Speaker 3: he's like, he knows he stole that shit. He's grasping
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  Speaker 3: for straws, so he's gonna say anything, which worked especially
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  Speaker 3: in that scene. But then when he went deeper into
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  Speaker 3: like when he was asking the impossible really, which ended
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  Speaker 3: up in his favor, but he was just like, no,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to go to jail. No, he was like,
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  Speaker 3: this is your thirty fifth offense. You know the best
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  Speaker 3: we can do for you is thirty days in jail.
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  Speaker 3: And he was just like no. Like for him to
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  Speaker 3: be so like, nah my dude, that I'm not doing that,
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  Speaker 3: And from the outside you look at that like, bruh,
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  Speaker 3: you need to take where you can get.
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  Speaker 2: Beggars can't be choosers. Who is you, right? You know
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  Speaker 2: this ain't Chipotle. You can't just have it your.
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  Speaker 1: Way, right.
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  Speaker 3: So what that guy ended up doing, though, is made
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  Speaker 3: a really again the broken system made a really poignant
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  Speaker 3: understanding of why should I just go along with this?
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  Speaker 2: The system has.
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  Speaker 3: Me in a choke hold to the sense of like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: because I'm now down ba, I'm on house arrest. I
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  Speaker 3: can't go to this meeting which requires me to go
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  Speaker 3: every week, or they're gonna put me back in jail.
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  Speaker 3: It's a broken cycle. And for him to like go
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  Speaker 3: through it and explain what his positioning was. By the
• 12:37
  Speaker 3: end of that, I was like, damn, Lee Roy is right,
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: le Roy Jenkins is right.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, he's definitely right, not out of line at all.
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  Speaker 1: He is completely one hundred percent right. It is a
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  Speaker 1: broken system. And I did like that about this episode
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  Speaker 1: that they took some time to you know, distress that
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  Speaker 1: and address that, and I thought it was very well
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  Speaker 1: and effectively done, so I will give them credit for that.
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  Speaker 1: And like I said, this episode, it's not that it's
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  Speaker 1: it's more the larger picture, and I think that's the stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said again with mus where I'm just like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know where this is going. And we'll see that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, some more coming up and you know, hopefully
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  Speaker 1: it does turn around. But I'm so far like I
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  Speaker 1: don't give a damn that this man is taking people
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  Speaker 1: down and draining their blood, like all right cool whatever
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  Speaker 1: you know who is?
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  Speaker 2: I guess we don't care.
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  Speaker 3: And I think because they didn't necessarily do a great
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  Speaker 3: job of making making mus matter.
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  Speaker 1: No making mus matter.
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  Speaker 2: You know, alliteration. So hilarious things.
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  Speaker 3: Other hilarious things that happened this episode was that whole
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: we built the city bit so and also again going
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  Speaker 3: back to Wi Wilson Fisk and his irritation with everybody
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  Speaker 3: and how he tries to hide that this man can
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  Speaker 3: barely contain himself when people are annoying him.
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  Speaker 2: And mine told you again how Vincent did.
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  Speaker 3: Not for your shows that shows that experience through the
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  Speaker 3: twitching and the and the finger movements and the everything,
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  Speaker 3: you could just feel the tension.
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  Speaker 2: Just you see the cloud like you know, what is
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: that Snoopy?
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  Speaker 3: You know the Snoopy comic and there's that one dirty
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  Speaker 3: ass kid pick Pen, and you just see all the
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  Speaker 3: he's every time he's standing, you see all.
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  Speaker 2: That stuff around him. That's what I feel like I
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  Speaker 2: see when Wilson is in a room with people who's annoying,
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  Speaker 2: I just see all this I'm angry, I'm I'm about
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: to I'm about to wild out.
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  Speaker 3: Type like I feel that and see that energy all
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: around him, so to see the energy when them kids
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  Speaker 3: singing off key.
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  Speaker 2: To that we Built the City song, he was sitting.
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  Speaker 3: Like he was trying his best, because you could tell
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  Speaker 3: he was just like he knew he had to just
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  Speaker 3: show face, but he was.
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  Speaker 2: He was ready.
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  Speaker 3: And as soon as the kids said, as soon the
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: teacher said okay, we got another one for you, he said,
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: I'm good, thanks, but no thanks.
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  Speaker 1: And then only to catch another one as soon as
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: he got to the net spot, like my man can't
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  Speaker 1: avoid this joint.
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  Speaker 3: Like it's he does not want to be mayor. He
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  Speaker 3: wants to what I said before, he loves the city,
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  Speaker 3: to control it and to hold it. But he doesn't
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  Speaker 3: want the stylings of being mixy. He's not Mayor Adams.
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  Speaker 3: He don't care about that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. See that's the difference. See, and that's why I
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: say it gives it more forty five, because it's he's
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  Speaker 1: running away from his criminal activities and thinking that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: being mayor will cover it up and it'll be okay.
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  Speaker 1: This is much better than being a.
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  Speaker 3: Criminal, even forty Yeah, but no, forty five.
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  Speaker 1: You're right, forty five is a bit mixy. You're right,
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  Speaker 1: you're right, Wilson don't really.
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  Speaker 2: Don't want to fuck with none of this.
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  Speaker 3: He want to show his face when he wants to
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: show his face, show that he's making shit happen. He's efficient,
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  Speaker 3: he's effective. Now I'm going home to eat my rack
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  Speaker 3: of lamb in front of Adam, and you know what
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, Like that's what he wants to do.
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  Speaker 1: I'm about that torture life. Actually, yeah, actually, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm really about that torture life. Right.
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  Speaker 2: That's not his that's not his ministry. And you can see.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why I love seeing one.
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  Speaker 3: Of the through lines of the series as we see how.
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  Speaker 2: This is crack.
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  Speaker 3: He's cracking, like it's he can't contain this for too long.
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  Speaker 2: And you even see when Matt like just like when
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  Speaker 2: he went in on them.
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  Speaker 3: Two cops, like an episode ago whatever, two episodes ago,
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  Speaker 3: Like he can't contain he cannot not be there though, No,
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  Speaker 3: Wilson cannot not be Kingpin m h.
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  Speaker 1: And that's like at the end of this episode, I
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: like the you know, split montage of Wilson being about
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  Speaker 1: that torture life, you know, his favorite thing to do,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: and Matt being about that. I'm gonna go put on
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: this there that will suit and swing this you know,
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  Speaker 1: vicious hook around because that's my favorite thing to do.
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  Speaker 2: Matt said, fuck it.
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  Speaker 3: He literally said he might as well have said in
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  Speaker 3: the dialogue fuck it, because that was the energy it was.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, and Matt got up from the you know,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: from the booty like. Matt was like, you know, I
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: can lay here with this woman, or I could go
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: swinging around on a goddamn rootsop. That's a fiend, didn't
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: you say?
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  Speaker 2: Did I imagine that?
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, but that is a pure fiend. In example, Brouh,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: You've got a fine, you know, beautiful woman who loves you,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: and you're like, nah, I'm gonna go hit this rock
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: outside instead keeps calling me man and kingsman is the same.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: He'd been like, I could live with Vanessa or I
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: could go torture this nigga. She you know what I'm about?
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: That thought your life up and then okay, I want
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: to ask you another question. Though. There's a very important
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: line sett in this episode when Vanessa says people change.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Do you feel that she is tired of Wilson?
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Yes, she've been tired of him, but she will never
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: be able to get away from him, and it's like
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: she's trying to especially through the.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: What's what I'm looking for? So she did the therapy.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: She is trying to at the most subtle, tiniest pace,
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: She's trying to estricate herself from him. But I think
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: she also knows her heart is impossible, So she's trying
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: to like give him hints, includes like him meaning Wilson,
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: like you know, stuff, saying stuff like people change in
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: well I don't know, well, like like being very kind
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: of mid about her feelings as opposed to being full
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: on I don't know.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: That's that's a tough position. How do you get away
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: from that? How do you unmarry Wilson?
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Fisk m And then the other side that like because
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: she said Wilson would never do anything to hurt me,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: but she didn't say she also didn't say I wouldn't
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: do anything to hurt him.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: She absolutely, I don't want to say absolutely would. But
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: if it was her last mm hmm, her last card,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: I know she will because she knows that he would
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: probably allow it to its extent.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: No, I don't know. The other question, do you think
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: she knows that he has Adam in a hole, like
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: she obviously knows. She knows her man. She knows that
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: he either killed this man.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Or put him in a hole, right, And which is
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: why I'm like, it was funny when they say and
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: that's another thing you could actually read now that you're
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: saying this, you could read that scene differently to you
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: can read the scene when they were both said I
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: don't know, No, she don't know. Maybe she let jed
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: ass don't know, and Nelson is just his typical I
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think she knows. That's why she responded
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: like that, and his I don't know is different. But yeah,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think she knows that she loved Adam to
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: some extent, so there's no way that she would just.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't remember that nigga, to be honest.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: He's not. No, this is all new introduction, okay. Yeah,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: we've never heard of a him as far as I know.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, because I'm just like, where did he come from?
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: But remember, this is that time when Wilson is going
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: after he gets shot, So this is the time we
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: didn't see ever, So this is new information for everyone.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, at the end of the day, Adam came
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: out the time and she was vulnerable.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I'm like a nigga don't really matter, you know. I'm
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: sorry to say, guy like, I don't know if you're
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: gonna make it, but the guy don't really I don't know.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: But that's that's interesting that you bring that up.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: She may is either one of the other, they're just
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: both they got each other's back, or she really just
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: don't really know that man.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Is down there.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I think she don't know that man is down there.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go on that one. I think they got
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: each other back to an extent. But like she said,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: people change, and I think that's a big thing about
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: the season, is that the Vanessa and Wilson relationship ain't
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: what it was and whether it can be repaired. Like
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: that's another thing the psychiatrists brought up in this episode.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: You know, did we come here for a dissolution of
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: this or do we come here to repair it? And
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think either. I'm as sure about that right now.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: If I'm Wilson, he's gonna be like, you're not going anywhere.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: That's definitely Wilson. Yeah. See, that's is that you're not
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: going anywhere because I love you? Or is that you're
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: not going anywhere out of like that what I said
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: last week. You know, he put it on the pedestal
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: and he can't get it off the pedestal, you know
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: what I mean.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I know, I think it's because of his twisted version
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: and definition of love.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: He thinks love is control, encompassing that like ownership.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: To me, that's how I feel he thinks his love,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: So in his mind, it is love, but it's a
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: different type.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: And she's over that. And I also think she's.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Protecting herself away because like I said, why you said
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: she says people chase she's trying to be subtle about it.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Because I also think you.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Say that he don't have the capacity to hurt her,
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: but if she really really hurts him, like she really
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: do some shit like to his face to hurt him enough,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know, Man, he might flip.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: He might, he might.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Might, but I don't know. I think that's the one
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: that I would put. Like I say, he put that
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: thing on that pedestal, and I don't think he can
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: take it off. So I think she is the one
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: person who could get away with pretty much anything with him.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: She got away with this.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Because he didn't kill over
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Adham didn't even did.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: She get away with it because man's is chained up
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: like a dog.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I mean not really yeah person at all. Damn your
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: fed at least struggling. Other than that, like I say,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: I still do not care for I mean not that
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I don't care the whole Daniel stuffed this episode just
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: like whatever. You know it was.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: It was like whatever, but it was just a show.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: It was just a show.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Also that Fisk saw another opportunity to grooten somebody. So
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: to me, he's just that's his new son. But I
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: said once once fitsticized, oh you belong to me. And
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: you see like even his assistant, that lady, she looked
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: like a ship like Daniel's not mine anymore because Daniel
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: was her in turn that she put in position and
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: once this was like he literally put his arm around him.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: She was kind of had this look on her face
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: like fuck yep, like this guy is lost to me,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: because it.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Said she feels like she's gonna be here, you know,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: forever right now.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Maybe not that too, because Daniel also kind of sometimes
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: he does kind of funny style things where he was
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: because he feels like because he's the young one with
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: new and fresh ideas that you know, sometimes they take
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: that to the head and he's just like trying to push,
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: you know, the career people out I don't know who knows,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: who knows. And then the other person where I'm just like, Okay,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: she's gonna be relevant. They spend a lot of time
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: in her is Sofia the one who's a Latvian. But
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: I thought they were from lat Very, which is not
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: the same. But I was like, oh, she's from Doctor
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Dules because the real life Latvia.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I was really mad at that. One is going to
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: jump for that now and everyone's going to think that
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: they cause I did for a second. Two I really
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: had to go because I forgot about lat Via the
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: real country, so I had to go google it, like,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: oh no, that's a real country, and they definitely did
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: not say lat viiant.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: We looked at the close caption, I.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Was like, yeah, I don't eve remember Sophia which one
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: was she.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: She was not the da the one I was giving
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: the sentences to people.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: The I don't know what she's considered her role in
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: the courts, considered the white lady with with the It
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: was so weird.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: That that she's from Latvia, and then they had the
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: let It was like me and.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Harris and I don't think she gonna show up again,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: honestly why, I'm like, what she even mattered like? But
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: they spent a lot of time on her, so I'm
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: like why.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: One thing I did learn this week before we get
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: out of here is that the when they did the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: whole reboot, well when they started working on Born Again,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: we know that they filmed a couple episodes and they'd
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: written the whole season and then they scrapped all of
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: that and started over. And from what I'm understanding now
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: is they redid the first two episodes that we've seen already.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: The middle episodes are pretty much some of the same
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: stuff that they were gonna do, I think, minus a
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: lot of comedic elements, which I don't understand how that
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: worked at all. So I'm not I'm not one hundredercent
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: service or the veracity of all this. And the last
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: episode was redone, but that does seem somewhat true because
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: it feels like the Foggy and Karen were just going
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: to be written out either way, but they the new
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: showrunner wanted to at least show you why they were gone. Like,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I think the show was going to open on Foggy
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: being dead and Karen being in San Francisco, and I think, yeah,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: the show winner came in, Like, now you can't do that.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: We gotta give Foggy's hot pocket first, you know what
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, at the very least, you know, Foggy, I
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: get right out the microwave and then we can move
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: on talking about fridging geez oh ship microwaving Mia. Yeah.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't even want to get to it. I really
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: didn't want to mention hot pockets again. But since we're
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: here anyway. Yeah, So I think that's why the first
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: two episodes hit the way they did and why some
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: of like this episode is hitting the way it is,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: so we'll see what's up for next week.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: You know, we're still enjoying it. I'm like, this is
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: still not killing it for me.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: No, don't know, like you know, this is still you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: pretty good TV, good the great TV. And like I said,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: those four people, you know, are so excellent at their
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: roles that you know, they could read through the phone
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: book as long as they're ar and I probably enjoyed.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: So yep, yeah, could you imagine Wilson.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Reading through his business.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: And he talked, autotoy, I don't want to do this anymore.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Where's Essa? That's his first thing. He'll be done in
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: two minutes. But it's not even thirty seconds.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Like this is dumb punisher. We'll just do that shit
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: like you know, like obsessively, you know, just reading.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: What about Foggy? Did he get another duck?
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Damn, you ain't wrong, but down did he get life?
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: No nigga, No he didn't. No, no nigga like Matt
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: just sitting there like, no nigga. I get it.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: He deserved that ship. He deserved that.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: He damn sure did. No. I can't argue that at all.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: All right, I think that concludes pretty much it for
• 26:57
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