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Van Fire, Slayer, and an Alfa 33: A California Street Burnout Saga · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  John Summers is the motoring historian.
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  He was a company car thrashing technology sales rep that turned into
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  a fairly inept sports bike rider.
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  Hailing from California, he collects cars and bikes built with plenty of
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  cheap and fast, and not much reliable.
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  On his show, he gets together with various co hosts to talk about new
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  and old cars, driving, motorbikes, motor racing, and motoring travel.
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  Good day, good morning, good afternoon.
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  It's John Summers, the motoring historian.
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  Um, With, uh, his, not just one school friend, but two school friends today,
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  Mark Cammie and, and Deansmore Greep.
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  Um, introduce yourself, gents.
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  Friend was a bit strong.
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  Friend was a bit strong, yeah.
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  Yeah, I don't rank above an acquaintance, I don't think.
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  Yeah, no, no, but, but really, uh I, I feel like in some ways this, this pod has
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  been a bit disingenuous because really it was always the three of us rather than
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  just the two of us, although the two of us were always more about, more about cars.
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  Hence today's episode, because Greep, you spent many years
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  driving vans, did you not?
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  I did indeed, yeah, yeah.
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  Firstly, it started off up in Worcester, working for that, um It's
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  a reclamation charity that uh, was uh, set up by the guy that owned Worcester
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  Warriors rugby club and um, set up Worcester Bosch, you know, the uh,
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  the boiler company over here as well.
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  Um, but yeah, so that job working for this charity was to drive around
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  various businesses in the West Midlands and collect stuff that would otherwise
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  go to landfill that we would then like, you know, Take back to the
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  warehouse and sell to schools and clubs and things so they can use them
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  for various bits of arts and crafts.
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  So, yeah, that was my first experience of driving vans.
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  They were long wheelbase Mercedes Sprinters, which were tasty bits
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  of kits as far as vans goes.
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  I think, Your average white van driver will go one of two ways
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  with their van aspirations, I feel.
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  And that'll either be like the Volkswagen Transporter, but with alloy wheels and,
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  you know, chrome and blacked out mirrors round the back and all that sort of thing.
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  Or, you know, the Mercedes Sprinter for your proper working man.
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  But, you can do 85 in the Sprinter.
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  Yes.
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  Well, okay.
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  So what year Sprinter are we talking about?
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  Well, when I was working there, what have I been down back,
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  back here, what, 11 years now?
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  So yeah, like around 2010.
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  Okay.
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  I mean, I couldn't, couldn't say exactly, but around that sort of era, I reckon.
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  And they were, they were, they were manual transmission.
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  Yeah.
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  Manual transmission.
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  Five speed.
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  Five speed, just beginning to bring in, um, USB ports.
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  And with that 2.
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  7 CDI motor that normally 2.
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  2 I think they were but torqued up a what sorry 2.
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  2 liter engines, the majority of the time, I think, I don't know, good,
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  good for that single rear wheel.
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  Yes.
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  On the sprint and.
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  And, and good for that 85 or good for better than that as the gammy was
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  depending on the load, obviously, but yes, what I liked about it, it was
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  my first experience of having cruise control as well, you know, where you
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  could like, yeah, just set the speed.
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  And what I liked about that is that wouldn't slow down, but you could
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  overtake, you could put your foot down.
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  And release the gas pedal and it would go back to what you set your um, cruise
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  speed at but yeah If you braked it would clear your cruise speed and wouldn't
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  like pick up for you again after that.
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  So did it have um, Did it have a column for that?
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  Yes Yeah, just a little lever on the on on the uh, the steering column now I don't
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  know what you found but in my experience, this is a total hobby horse of mine This
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  is one of the things that I think mercedes drivers understand and non mercedes people
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  don't is There's little design things that make, make Mercedes better drive.
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  And I think that cruise control being on the stalk is definitely one of them.
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  I did a long journey in the Mustang, um, just recently, and it has one of
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  these cruise controls where you have to like switch the button on and then
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  push another button to set the speed.
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  And it's not the end of the world, but it means that you don't, you, you only
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  use it on the freeway, whereas a Mercedes cruise control, you can use that in the
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  way that you would use an old fashioned overdrive, like cruising between traffic
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  lights, because you can just flick it on as easy as knocking an indicator.
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  On and, on and off.
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  So that's my, that's my aside on, uh, on, on indicators.
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  Yeah, as long as you didn't hit the brake, it would, like, do the pick up
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  for you, you know, it would accelerate for you to your set speed and everything.
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  Whereas the Mercedes Sprinter fridge vans that Sainsbury's had were slow as fuck.
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  They were not, and they were autos, and they were pants.
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  Uh, they were, I mean, they were usable pieces of kit, but they neutered them
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  so they wouldn't do any more than 55.
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  Um, I mean, I had 65, 67 out of it, but I did not get into neutral.
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  Then I really love what year was this?
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  What year was this?
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  Like teens, 20 teens.
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  It would have been a teens.
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  This is a teen sprinter with, with a, with a, with another diesel with that same 2.
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  2 diesel with the fridge and the freezer bit on the back body.
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  So really bad arrow, really bad arrow.
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  Yeah.
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  Um, Bad handling too?
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  Well, I mean, you've got a real load full of, like, refrigerated goods
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  strapped in cart crates to the side of the back of the walls of the van.
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  You're not exploring the limits of grip here.
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  Um, so You mean you never did?
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  Not really.
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  I mean, like, the thing will do 55 miles an hour and handles like a small barge.
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  So, you know, it's, um But you add 65 out of it by getting
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  into neutral, you were saying.
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  I'm not sure about it.
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  I don't think I'd wanted to hit 70 just to see.
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  Um, and they said, Oh, you're not allowed to do any of that
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  stuff because it's GPS tracked.
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  And I thought I was, uh, yeah.
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  And cowed by that.
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  And then after about a bit in the van, you're thinking like, Oh, fuck off who's
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  checking the GPS trails for that shit.
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  Unless I have an accident.
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  So, uh, that then it became a personal mission to see how
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  fast I can get the band to go.
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  Um, I don't think I ever got 70, but as I say, after you went past
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  55, it wouldn't let you accelerate.
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  The accelerator just did nothing.
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  Yeah.
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  So you had to accelerate hard to 55 and then hit it into neutral as you were
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  going down a long hill . But with it.
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  But bird, lip, bird, bird would've been the dream.
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  But I didn't, that wasn't in my catchment area.
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  I didn't roam to bird lip in the short period.
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  I worked for them in between jobs.
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  Um, but, uh, yeah.
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  Um, I mean, hey, on the other hand, I looked after my vans.
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  I never had any van, let's say for argument's sake, burn to the ground.
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  Well, it's funny because we were talking of doing this podcast, I was
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  like looking back on my time driving vans because I've always considered,
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  you know, in rose tinted glasses, driving the vans for as long as I did
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  made me a better driver just all round.
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  You know, more aware, able to jump in any vehicle and just drive it, you
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  know, and the spatial awareness is much better and that sort of thing.
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  And I, you know, would pat myself on my back like, ah, you know, you know,
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  I really learned from that experience.
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  And, um.
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  Yeah, looking back, it's, well, maybe I learnt because of how many failures I had.
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  And, yes, one of the ones that you, so, uh, just referenced was, I'd been asked
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  by, uh, my, uh, boss at the food firm that I was working at to go and pick
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  a van up from Exeter and drop one off.
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  This is from Plymouth.
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  Yeah, that's from Plymouth.
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  So I bombed up the, uh, A38 in the M5 motorway to Exeter, picked up this fan
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  that just got a brand new reconditioned engine and then started driving it
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  back to, um, a sprinter again, I think.
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  Um, it might have been a transport.
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  Um, not the, uh, the crafter was the Volkswagen version on the same Sprinter
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  platform, so it might have been one of those, but I think it was a sprinter.
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  So it was a sprint if it, so the crafter, the Volkswagen crafter
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  was basically a sprinter that Volkswagen made under license.
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  Yes, and then, um, So it was their motor, whose motor was it?
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  It was, it was the Oh right, I don't know, but Fiat and Peugeot had the
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  same sort of deal with their vans.
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  They were the same platform.
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  I think it might be Citroen as well, given that, um, that's another French
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  car company, so I think the Citroen relay Works van was on the same
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  platform as the Fiat Ducato and the Peugeot, which I forget the name of it.
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  Boxer driving back, driving back from extra with this, uh, sort of van with a
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  brand new reconditioned diesel engine, brand new reconditioned engine, brand
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  new, yes, driving along and, um, yeah, just quite happy listening to some music.
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  Putin along, then a, uh, guy in a Peugeot Bippa, you know, one of those little
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  vans on a car platform came bombing past me and pulled up in front of me about
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  200 metres ahead of me, and he got out and he did the signal from South Park.
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  You know Yeah, the team america world police, what's the signal He got out
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  of his van and was running towards me going like that I was like what what
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  and as soon as my foot touched the brake pedal Like literally The smoke the cab
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  filled with smoke and every light on the dashboard came up I was like, oh
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  right and um So, uh yeah, but yeah, so I dived out of the van and stopped
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  all the traffic coming from behind and uh, yeah, and there we were half an
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  hour later the um, the van was a pit of Melted tar on the road and there was like
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  about it was still in the carriageway I pulled over onto the hard shoulder.
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  Oh, I should say that I'd lost Yeah, I'd lost power and I'd just gone back
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  past this like parking quarter of a mile sign And so I thought, clever
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  old me, I'll just coast along the hard shoulder into the parking lay by.
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  So I wasn't doing, like, full speed along the motorway.
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  So yeah.
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  Oh, okay.
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  So yeah.
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  So, so when you put the brakes on, the smoke came.
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  I, when was the fire?
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  And when did you get stopped?
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  The smoke was when you were still rolling along.
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  No, there was no smoke when I was rolling along.
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  As far as I was aware, I'd just lost power and was just Because it was all
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  in a big comet like cone behind you.
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  I was just cruising, coasting, you know, freewheeling at the side of the road.
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  Ah, you're on fire!
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  Like a spaceship on re entry, just like Yeah, yeah.
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  I'd say I dived out of the van, um, suffered a little bit of shock, uh,
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  loads of bikers that I picture in my head were all Hells Angels, but probably
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  weren't given that it's the, uh, the south of England, you know, they gave
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  me a couple of rollies and stuff.
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  And then, um, So I called work and said, called my boss and said, Howard,
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  there's a problem with the van.
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  And he went, Oh, what is it?
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  I went, it's no longer a van.
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  It's a traffic incident.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, he, he, I didn't know it was a proper traffic incident like that,
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  but at the time, but then, um, he sent another driver that had just
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  finished his round to come pick me up.
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  He was maybe 10 miles from where I was coming from Plymouth.
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  And he said that you could see the column of smoke from , the
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  marsh, the marshmallows, roundabout
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  And it was on the, it was, it was on the local news, like a
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  10 mile tailback on the A 38
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  So has someone just not put oil in the fucking engine or
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  something as dumb as that?
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  Well, officially, the story is that it was something, uh, wrong with the engine.
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  Um, unofficially, I don't know if I maybe hadn't got out of fourth.
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  That shouldn't set the whole thing on fire.
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  But, you know, I, I have never, uh, pilloried myself too much for that
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  one, cause I'm not really certain.
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  Cause you know, you can drive on autopilot and say, I had just overtaken stuff
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  when the power lost and I was like, I'm in fourth, but I had just overtaken.
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  So.
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  You know, I might not have been in four from it.
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  One way or the other, that, that should not have worked.
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  One plus one in those circumstances does not equal several hours in a
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  lay by, you know, by a barbecued van.
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  Yeah.
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  It actually reminds me of my mate Neil from university.
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  He drove, he had a Ford Orion, um, and that Ford Orion suffered
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  a very similar fate to your van.
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  What year?
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  What year?
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  Pre facelift or post facelift?
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  Did it have the grill?
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  I don't know.
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  It was pre university.
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  It was like a year or two before university.
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  So it would have been like, he had it.
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  So it would have been like, 91, something like that.
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  If it was new, I don't think it was new.
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  So it would have been like mid 80s at best.
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  Anyway, I remember him telling me that he was driving along and then he stopped.
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  And when he stopped at the traffic lights.
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  Um, smoke poured out all of the air vents, and he drove, he was like, uh
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  oh, um, drove it across to round the corner and parked it up on the side of
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  the road in front of a terraced street.
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  Uh, and within minutes, it was a fireball, um, and the old lady that
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  lived in the house there, uh, came out, and he ended up, when the fire brigade
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  arrived, he was sitting on a deck chair that she brought out for him, with a
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  cup of tea, having a fact to calm his nerves, um, whilst the thing was just
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  destroyed in front of him, immolated, um, before him, much like you and your van.
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  Yeah.
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  No, I mean, you never want to say I've never rolled a car or I've never caught
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  a car on fire because you kind of, you feel like you're tempting fate.
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  Don't you?
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  Yeah, yeah, I'm almost on uranate in Bentham since there's a dam on the museum.
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  Yeah, well, I mean, another of my I wish I'd never was driven through that dry
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  stone wall outside the country estate in Cornwall in, in yet another works van.
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  I think this, this was a Fiat Ducato.
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  And you know, I said, um, you learn from, or I learned to be a better driver.
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  So this was when I stopped eating.
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  When I was driving,
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  yeah.
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  'cause uh, I'd, uh, was reaching into my lunchbox for one of, you know, a crabs
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  stick to eat whilst driving . And then lost love the way he remembers the exact
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  food that he was eating at the crabs.
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  Stick the cream pot and lost the crabs.
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  Crabs stick in the lunchbox.
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  So then, then looked down and then the road disgustingly.
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  Outrageously decided to take a corner.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And you mentioned earlier, like, um, uh, about, uh, not exploring
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  the limits with your van.
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  Cause it could only do well.
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  I, I did explore the limits of grip with this van at that point and,
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  uh, took it through those limits and through a dry stone wall.
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  Which caused the tire to blow out.
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  Luckily, that was what I told the boss happened.
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  So, the tire caused it, rather than the grass stick.
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  Yeah, so I told the truth, but just the events maybe not in the right order.
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  Yeah.
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  I did explore the limits of grip on a different van, the Citroen C35
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  that we had at Bombard in France.
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  I once took that at full speed round the Amboise Bridge right up towards
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  Limeray and got the back end of that van out, only at about 25 miles an
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  hour, but I was not expecting that.
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  And furthermore, did you know, I know you did because I spoke to
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  you about it, you can pull away a Citroen C35 van in the middle of
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  tour from traffic lights in fifth.
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  If you put it in fifth, rev the nuts off it and just dump the clutching kangaroo
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  down the road for about 400 yards.
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  Yeah.
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  He's doing it.
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  Robotic vehicle.
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  Those C 35 vans, the thing I always remember about them was, do you remember
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  on one side the thread was clockwise on the wheels, and on the other
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  side the thread was anti clockwise.
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  And the story went that once it had a flat tire and people had spent like ages and
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  got all these poles and all this kind of stuff, only to find that they were trying
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  to turn the wheel nuts the wrong way.
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  And that's why they couldn't, uh, they couldn't take the wheels off them.
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  So there was always, and I'd never, I mean, and it's so crazy and so French
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  that, uh, that they should, uh, that they should have them like that.
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  I do remember the, the five speed.
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  transmission that they had.
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  I remember the fact that in one and there were a couple of those C35 vans
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  weren't there and I remember in one of them, if, if you were in like second,
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  you could see through past the engine onto the pavement, you know, it was,
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  uh, as you, as you change gear, like the boot or, or, or moved around the
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  other gear lever in fifth gear, you can move it in about a foot square
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  without taking it out of fifth gear.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Do you remember it had, um, the other thing that I remember about
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  those C 35s was they had a grey Velia speedometer with like a sweep gauge.
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  I loved the sweep gauge, it was like a ribbon, and the needle did a sweep,
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  did a sweep past it, because they were, they were, that Citroen was
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  the same design as the contemporary, um, Fiat Ducato, if that was the,
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  the name, it was an Italian, Citroen.
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  It was like an Italian French combination, if you can imagine
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  anything, uh Because it's kind of ridiculous, like, the UK licenses that
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  we've all got entitle us to drive.
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  Isn't it up to, like, three and a half ton box vans, like, with Seven and a half.
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  Seven and a half, that's right.
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  Yeah.
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  Um, I mean I don't think that's changed.
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  Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, for good reason.
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  I mean, I've driven them, but it, it's You have to be pretty on your
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  case with your, uh When you met with your sort of, you know, your spatial
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  awareness points because when I was a lad, um, like about Ollie's age,
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  like eight or nine, um, my dad rented a BRS Ford cargo, like a box truck.
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  Um, we rented it with a friend or I can't remember whether he was
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  driving it, but I remember it's the first time I'd ever been in a truck.
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  And it was one of those where me and my dad were on like the two
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  passenger seats and, and that was, and then there was this.
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  Shift in the handbrake and then, you know, the, my dad's made driving
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  the truck, but that was huge.
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  And I couldn't believe that you could drive it on, on a car license.
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  Um, I can't, it's hard to believe now that, that in America you can, you
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  know, U Haul will rent somebody who just got their driving license, you know,
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  driving around the block in Wisconsin, U Haul in New York will let you rent.
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  A twin wheel V 10, you know, loot and top van towing a trailer on your car license.
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  But, you know, I guess, uh, as you've observed many times
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  before, Mark, it's about freedom.
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  It is the bombard summer passes by the bombard summer in France,
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  the Mercedes three Oh eight.
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  Do you remember that?
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  It was slow.
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  And the gearbox was a bit reluctant.
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  That was like an 80s Mercedes.
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  One of the ones where they had, where the, the indicators did the wrap around and
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  had the little, like, streaks in them.
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  But that was the first van where I had that feeling of
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  independence, where it was mine.
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  My domain.
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  I love the fact that you could have a nap in the back of it.
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  You could have a pee in the back of it.
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  It was like your own private, like, private space.
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  Um, I also love the fact that people got out of the way, like it was the first time
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  I'd ever had that white van man experience with, uh, with, with people, uh, with
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  people getting out of the way now.
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  Um, that's, that's definitely a thing.
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  People avoiding you.
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  Definitely.
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  Yeah.
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  Does the van need to be white?
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  No, uh, a work van either plane.
• 24:15
  Or in blazing.
• 24:17
  But if you've got like alloys on and things like that, your, your
• 24:22
  average driver will spot that that's, you know, not a work van
• 24:26
  and won't treat it the same way.
• 24:29
  Yeah.
• 24:30
  Yeah.
• 24:31
  Um, dense.
• 24:35
  I've, uh, so whilst we've, uh, whilst I've, I've got you on it, let me do
• 24:40
  these, uh, these questions with you now.
• 24:42
  What of, of the vans that you drove over the, over the years that
• 24:46
  you were, what was the best one?
• 24:50
  Well, there wasn't really.
• 24:54
  A best one because each had depending on what you're looking for each had
• 24:59
  their uh, high point Uh when I was working at olympia foods When they
• 25:06
  got the new fit to kato in was the one that everyone wanted to fight.
• 25:11
  Well, yeah That must have been like 2010, something like that, I think.
• 25:19
  Um, but that the torque on those meant, do you know the Big Hill just outside
• 25:25
  of Extra where, um, the A three 80 to go down towards Tor key splits off
• 25:32
  from the A 38 and you go up that hill.
• 25:35
  Yeah.
• 25:35
  Holden.
• 25:35
  That's Holden Hill.
• 25:36
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:38
  So, um, the Fit Dato could do that with the Olympia Foods display stand.
• 25:46
  Stuff and, and equipment from, you know, the, the West Country Food show up that
• 25:52
  65 70 without needing to drop a gear,
• 25:59
  whereas the sprinters couldn't, but the sprinters had the USB slot and
• 26:04
  the, uh, the cruise control and slight, slightly comfier driving position.
• 26:11
  Um,
• 26:15
  yeah, but then and then and then the Renault master was the smallest van, but
• 26:21
  it had the For your reverse parking Which, when you're a delivery driver, you know,
• 26:28
  trying to get into tight spots down on St.
• 26:32
  Ives Harbour, that was definitely a bonus, having the, uh,
• 26:36
  the reverse parking sensors.
• 26:39
  Yeah.
• 26:39
  Because every other van, every other van, the sensor was,
• 26:43
  Oh yeah, I've hit the wall.
• 26:44
  I feel, I feel, given we're talking about proximity driving, you, you ought to tell
• 26:48
  the story of your first day in the van.
• 26:50
  And the fact that the GPS kind of nudged you pretty hard.
• 26:55
  So, yes, at Olympia Foods, I'd, um, recently got the job and I'd done my,
• 27:02
  like, training, which was to go out with the more experienced drivers and get
• 27:07
  shown various runs and things like that.
• 27:10
  And, um, yes, and then one day, two weeks sooner than it should have been,
• 27:16
  Paul, the warehouse manager, said, Oh, I'm sending you to, um, Dartmouth.
• 27:20
  I was like, brilliant.
• 27:21
  Yeah, I know where Dartmouth is and of course knowing where something is
• 27:25
  and actually, you know, driving in and around it looking for various businesses
• 27:30
  are completely different matters, you know, and I now know that Dartmouth
• 27:35
  is actually like a boot, you know, you come down, you go along the harbor,
• 27:41
  come around the one way street and then out of Dartmouth and that's it.
• 27:44
  That's all you have to do.
• 27:45
  Um, but I didn't know that because it wasn't a run that I've been shown.
• 27:49
  So I was in a vw crafter hired not not even owned by the company hired for
• 27:55
  the summer Sent out into dartmouth and the south hams run which I hadn't been
• 28:03
  shown and I had my dad's old Sat nav which will now call forevermore shat nav
• 28:14
  Driving into Dartmouth, I imagine, you know, I'm driving down the car for the
• 28:20
  boot and what I need to do is go down to the heel and then come along the sole.
• 28:25
  And then I can do all the deliveries around the Harbor and then come
• 28:29
  back along the toe and then up along the shin of the boot, if you
• 28:32
  like, to get out of Dartmouth again.
• 28:34
  I know my sat nav decided why it's be a much better idea if you drive through
• 28:40
  all the little You know 17th century fishermen's village Streets and roads to
• 28:47
  drop you down into the harbor that way Of course, I was like, alright, yeah, Mr.
• 28:51
  Shatnav, I will follow what you say.
• 28:54
  So, I start driving down these, um, tight ass, tight ass,
• 29:00
  like, little, um, uh, streets.
• 29:03
  It's a long wheelbase, the crafter's long wheelbase.
• 29:07
  Uh, this one actually wasn't because it was a hire van, so it was just,
• 29:11
  I mean, it, it, it wasn't a short wheelbase vehicle, you know, it's still
• 29:15
  like, a lot, I, anyway, I was going down these like little lanes, like
• 29:21
  little ginnels, back lanes, whatever, I've only done about 100 meters and I
• 29:26
  already decided I'm not reversing out here because, you know, some of the
• 29:30
  corners that I've been around, I can't physically See to reverse background.
• 29:36
  So I was like, it's, it's forge forward, you know?
• 29:41
  Um, and so forward, I went and then, uh, maybe two more meters.
• 29:48
  I then went down some steps.
• 29:51
  That was a good sign on a road, I feel.
• 29:54
  Two or three steps on a road and then, and that's when I
• 29:59
  really knew I was in trouble.
• 30:00
  What's that meme go?
• 30:02
  That's when he knew he'd fucked up.
• 30:05
  Yeah, so, so, and I probably would have got away with the whole experience
• 30:12
  if there wasn't scaffolding down this street that I was driving down.
• 30:17
  So, bubba dubba dubba, down some steps.
• 30:20
  Which you don't want to do in a work van anyway, you know, like And I've
• 30:27
  already had to wind down the The windows to pull in the mirrors because
• 30:32
  the street i'm driving down so tight And then I I like get to this little
• 30:39
  bit and There's scaffold, a scaffold tower up on this little cottage, but
• 30:44
  it's not like traditional because, you know, it's a really, really tight lane.
• 30:48
  So it's only sticking out about a foot, the scaffold poles, but
• 30:53
  on the passenger side of the van.
• 30:57
  So I go, no worries, I line up, you know, like this, so I can like
• 31:02
  judge the, uh, the distance, right?
• 31:05
  And drive along and clear the scaffolding.
• 31:08
  Absolutely brilliant.
• 31:10
  However, the cottage on the driver's side.
• 31:13
  of the road about three feet up or three feet of height.
• 31:18
  It's stuck out about a foot from the rest of the wall.
• 31:21
  A little buttress.
• 31:24
  Yeah.
• 31:26
  And, um, so I'm driving along.
• 31:28
  And of course, on the sprinters, it has the slightly Toed in nose on it, make it
• 31:35
  look a bit more aerodynamic, which leaves just a shoulder of your tyre exposed.
• 31:42
  And that got caught on the bus for us.
• 31:46
  But, unbeknownst to me, who couldn't see that this was sticking out, I said,
• 31:51
  I'll floor it, get through, you know, that'll be, that'll be the answer.
• 31:54
  So, and, it wasn't, I did get through.
• 31:59
  But, um, not without incident because the, uh, the, the two steering wheels,
• 32:08
  um, where they call it Dagenham Dartford.
• 32:11
  One of them was pointing at, like, 12 and the other was
• 32:14
  pointing at, like, 2 o'clock.
• 32:16
  So, my, my, the steering wheels are like that.
• 32:24
  And so, I drove down, got to a, like, a little safer area where
• 32:28
  I, you know, could park up and, like, not block traffic and stuff.
• 32:33
  And then, uh, phoned the boss up saying, uh, you know, this is my first day out
• 32:38
  by myself and I've ruined a hire van.
• 32:41
  And, um,
• 32:46
  I don't think I'm going to have a career here very long.
• 32:50
  So he sent out one of the warehouse staff to come along and, um, fit a new
• 32:55
  tire because it had popped obviously.
• 32:58
  Um, and he couldn't because there was no tire fixing, tire replacement.
• 33:07
  Each van is supposed to have like a kit to enable you to replace a wheel.
• 33:13
  But the wrench, the torque wrench handle was about nine inches long.
• 33:20
  Whereas if you have a professional tire fitter turn up, their torque
• 33:23
  wrench handles are like, you know, a meter and a half long.
• 33:27
  So trying to untorque a Buckled wheel with the nine inch wrench handle.
• 33:33
  It just bent.
• 33:34
  So yeah, we then had to call the RAC out, but this warehouse driver, he
• 33:39
  couldn't get the van out of the space that I'd parked it in, in amongst
• 33:43
  these garages and stuff like that.
• 33:46
  And for me to get out to get down onto the Harbor, call the RAC
• 33:51
  to come and sort the wheel out.
• 33:55
  The boss, but they're pointing at like 12 and 2 o'clock and he
• 33:58
  went, just fucking do the rub.
• 33:59
  So, after about a five hour delay.
• 34:05
  Um, I got going again and then spent the whole rest of the, uh, I think I
• 34:10
  drove about another six hours with that van with the steering wheel constantly
• 34:15
  cranked over as hard as I could manage it, just to drive in a straight line.
• 34:23
  Oh, man.
• 34:25
  Oh.
• 34:29
  You remember, you remember I had that transit.
• 34:32
  For that summer in England, this is a story that, um, my, my, my
• 34:37
  family know, but, but, but you don't, this is just a vignette.
• 34:42
  Um, I, uh, was staying in hotels and when you buy a beer.
• 34:48
  It's not very economical, is it, to buy like individual cans.
• 34:52
  It makes more sense to buy a six pack and, you know, when you go from,
• 34:57
  there's usually a, you know, ice making machine or a fridge or something like
• 35:02
  that in the room you're staying in.
• 35:04
  So you can chill the beer in your, well anyway, long and short, I had
• 35:09
  a spare can of beer in my suitcase.
• 35:13
  Um, when I was, uh, when I had that transit and I only had a suitcase and
• 35:20
  I just thought at first I tried to, like, attach it to the side of the
• 35:25
  van, but after a bit, I was just like, because I live in San Francisco where
• 35:29
  there's loads of car break ins, right?
• 35:30
  This van had a bulkhead.
• 35:32
  Uh, silver Transit, it's thumb, the thumbnail of episode two or three.
• 35:37
  One of those, by the way, silver Transit had a bulkhead, so you, you
• 35:40
  had to get in to get into the back.
• 35:42
  You had to get out of the cab.
• 35:43
  Right?
• 35:44
  And, and so what that meant was anything that you, any valuables
• 35:47
  that were in the cab were visible from the, so I put my suitcase in
• 35:51
  the back so it wasn't visible right.
• 35:54
  And it slid around a bit and I was fine with it sliding around.
• 35:58
  Well, I thought I was, you know, anyway, long and short, I, uh, I thought I was
• 36:03
  fine with it, but it split a can of beer and pissed beer all over all my stuff.
• 36:10
  So I had all these like nice clean shirts and jeans and things for later in the
• 36:14
  drip and all of them were There was that there were there were rare books
• 36:19
  Everything is stinking now of cheap beer and I wish I'd just gone to the hotel bar
• 36:25
  and not been such a fucking skinflint.
• 36:30
  I Can't believe we've got this far through this van episode without mentioning my
• 36:37
  brown Ford Econoline van And, and one.
• 36:42
  Teddy said love Anne.
• 36:44
  Absolutely.
• 36:45
  Yeah.
• 36:45
  It does.
• 36:47
  And, and, uh, and, and just, and I would highlight just, just one story in
• 36:52
  particular, um, Gammy, when you stayed and there were two streets in California,
• 36:58
  in San Francisco that have trams on them, California street and Powell street, and
• 37:05
  we were driving up California street.
• 37:08
  And managed to get one of the wheels.
• 37:11
  It was raining and we managed to get one of the wheels on, on the, and I
• 37:15
  remember, I remember, I can't remember whether you or I were driving, but
• 37:19
  I do remember the wheel spinning.
• 37:21
  And I remember being able to see down the hill out of one
• 37:25
  of the side windows of the van.
• 37:28
  There was tiresmoke pissing past and he was like, Nyeh, nyeh, nyeh, nyeh, nyeh.
• 37:32
  The whole time everyone was looking.
• 37:36
  My other memory of that van is that I got out, I've got a video somewhere of it
• 37:40
  where we were, I think we'd been to see, didn't we go and see Judas Priest in it?
• 37:45
  Yeah, we went to see Judas Priest in San Jose.
• 37:48
  Yeah, with Steel Panther supporting.
• 37:51
  Good guess.
• 37:52
  Um, um, tips for free in the crowd, who knew?
• 37:56
  Um, but um, that's the Steel Panther effect.
• 37:59
  Um, but yeah, um, we went to sit, and I remember you went in to get, you
• 38:04
  parked in front of a no parking sign.
• 38:06
  And I got out to take a photo of the van in front of the no
• 38:09
  parking sign, which I've still got.
• 38:11
  I'll send it to you.
• 38:12
  Um, and, uh, I did a little caned video of the sort of, the motion
• 38:17
  control that you had on the seat.
• 38:19
  I, that it only had one bolt holding the seat down.
• 38:22
  So you could basically rock the seat around completely all over the show.
• 38:25
  Yeah, because Mark's dogs had chewed up the original vinyl seat.
• 38:29
  So I went to a pick and pull, and I got this lovely velour seat.
• 38:35
  They were comfortable.
• 38:36
  Yeah, for, it was from the Chateau, like, you know, like, shag wagon.
• 38:41
  Yeah.
• 38:41
  Yeah.
• 38:41
  Version of the econ line, and I assumed that the seat would fit.
• 38:46
  Notice that assumed that the seat would fit.
• 38:49
  It wasn't the, the, the mounting points were different sizes.
• 38:53
  So I, I could only mount the seat on one side, so yeah, it did, it did swing.
• 38:58
  But do you remember it had an armrest?
• 38:59
  It was that kind of purplish purplish au, wasn't it?
• 39:03
  Oh, it was, it was lovely.
• 39:04
  It was super comfortable.
• 39:05
  See yeah.
• 39:08
  Yeah, the other thing that was striking about that van was, um, it
• 39:11
  was owned by Stanford before me, and so it existed, it was like a 92, so it
• 39:18
  did sit from like 92 to 2008 without hardly any rust, because it lived
• 39:23
  down on the peninsula where it's dry.
• 39:25
  Street parking in San Francisco with all the salt air, the bump,
• 39:30
  the, the leading edge of the trunk just rusted off completely.
• 39:35
  I mean, that's how much the rust just completely attacked.
• 39:38
  Do you remember?
• 39:39
  It had that scrape down the side and that rusted and, and ran.
• 39:43
  The rust streaks ran down the, the, the side.
• 39:46
  Had moss on the window ledge as well.
• 39:48
  It did, yeah.
• 39:49
  Which didn't blow off.
• 39:50
  It just stayed there and, and, and kept growing.
• 39:53
  You know, the other thing that I remember about that Judas Priest
• 39:56
  night with it was that you said, as we were walking back to the car, you
• 39:59
  were like, you know, I get this van.
• 40:02
  That van is a.
• 40:03
  Fuck you to everybody and it really was and that was sort of why I got rid of
• 40:09
  it because I wanted to To not be that it was to it was just offensive whether if
• 40:15
  you didn't like cars It was polluting and took up a lot of parking space When you
• 40:19
  parked in a parking spot people used to be annoyed because it was so big It meant
• 40:24
  that they couldn't open their car door to get out and people didn't want this Ugly
• 40:29
  van next to this molestory freaking van.
• 40:32
  But it didn't take up eight spots like, um, The van did on Slater's Stag Do.
• 40:39
  What is that eight spot story?
• 40:41
  I don't even know that story.
• 40:42
  That, I actually had that on my agenda of stories to cover.
• 40:47
  Mainly because I don't actually know that, that story.
• 40:50
  That wasn't a Sherpa that you drove on Slater's Stag Do.
• 40:54
  It was an LDV of some sort, I think.
• 40:59
  I remember the photos and it was a Dually.
• 41:01
  It was like a Dually Sherpa.
• 41:04
  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 41:04
  But it was an LDV by then, like the later It was a horrible van to drive in anyway.
• 41:10
  Like, the driver and the passenger in the front seats sat right on the engine.
• 41:16
  And so all the hot air just comes up through the floor
• 41:19
  and just, yeah, chokes you.
• 41:22
  So I wouldn't ever Get one of those vans or drive one of those vans again, but
• 41:27
  yes, it was on the stag and uh, everybody got tanked up whilst I was driving along
• 41:32
  and it was decided to stop at a motorway services to uh, for sustenance like
• 41:40
  ginsters pasties and such like, yeah.
• 41:43
  Marvellous.
• 41:44
  Such high class delicacies, yeah.
• 41:48
  Yeah, yeah.
• 41:49
  So we pull into the parking area.
• 41:52
  It's not very busy.
• 41:55
  What is it, about six o'clock in the afternoon, something like
• 41:58
  that, on a Sunday or something?
• 42:00
  And, uh, I just, just to get into the spirit of things, because I wasn't
• 42:04
  drinking and everybody else was, I was like, right, watch this lads, and just,
• 42:08
  I, I pulled up on eight parking spots.
• 42:12
  So the van was four parking spots long A crossway and so
• 42:19
  yeah, and I just did a crossways.
• 42:21
  So I was taking up Eight spot on the gap between the two rows of space.
• 42:25
  Yeah, because I wasn't in the van I was driving in a different car.
• 42:28
  I remember arriving and seeing me parked in eight spaces Uh, what was the worst
• 42:38
  van you drove great that one Yeah, what was the fastest van you drove?
• 42:47
  The, um, the Ford, uh, transit turbos that the plumbing firm used to have.
• 42:56
  What, what year transit is that?
• 42:58
  I mean, that was when I worked at the, uh, PSS Midlands.
• 43:01
  So, we're talking 2000, 2002, something like that, maybe?
• 43:08
  All right!
• 43:10
  All right, but the Ford's like at the uh, the food firm Howard never would
• 43:16
  never buy the Ford's because they were more expensive to get than the Mercedes
• 43:23
  because your entry level transit had more bells and whistles and bigger engine and
• 43:28
  that sort of thing than the the Sprinter.
• 43:33
  Interesting.
• 43:35
  How many miles were you doing when you were van driving like that all the time?
• 43:39
  How many miles a year were you doing?
• 43:43
  A year, I don't know, but I could do Um, 1250 in a week.
• 43:50
  Two 50 a day.
• 43:55
  Yeah.
• 43:56
  So I'm not gonna try and do the maths on that, but Yeah.
• 43:59
  60,000.
• 44:00
  Yeah, that, yeah.
• 44:01
  60.
• 44:02
  Yeah, that is, and that's on lanes in Devon and Cornwall, isn't it?
• 44:05
  That's no highway miles at all.
• 44:07
  Uh, going to your delivery area and coming back was obviously on main roads, but then
• 44:13
  the rest of the time you are driving down.
• 44:16
  Cobble streets and to beaches and, um, across fields and things like that,
• 44:22
  you know, gated communities down in Cornwall that you have to radio in like,
• 44:28
  uh, and they'll like open the gate and then you drive a mile over a field to
• 44:34
  deliver to some, some hippie, um, cafe that only serves people on, that are
• 44:40
  walking on the coastal path out of their kitchen window, sort of crap, you know.
• 44:46
  Huh.
• 44:46
  Toils out the serpent unwashed Buried beneath your body Deep in
• 44:55
  the heart of the dead Spirit is black to the end People get real
• 45:08
  parochial about fucking bands as well.
• 45:10
  I mean, the amount of time I remember I was driving, like,
• 45:13
  somewhere around in Redding.
• 45:15
  No, was it Redding?
• 45:16
  No, it would have been Newbury.
• 45:17
  And I, I went up this street and I was like, oh bugger,
• 45:20
  I'm gonna have to turn around.
• 45:21
  And there was a double paved drive, like, really like two and a half drives
• 45:26
  wide, like, and I thought, so I, I, like, checked, no problem, reversed
• 45:32
  into it, only about half onto it, just enough so I could turn around
• 45:35
  in the road and head down the street.
• 45:37
  Um, guy and his wife, out of the house, running down the street after
• 45:43
  me, screaming at the top of his lungs.
• 45:46
  I stopped and was like.
• 45:47
  Is everything all right, mate?
• 45:48
  I thought I'd run over his cat or something, you know what I mean, it
• 45:50
  was like that, it was that sort of, you know, absolute apoplectic rage, um,
• 45:56
  and he just ranted at me, and I won't bore you with it, other than to say, he
• 46:01
  basically affronted that I'd used his drive to turn round on, that was it.
• 46:05
  Yeah, yeah, I know, I've turned round in driveways where they've hung on
• 46:09
  chains, like across the mouth of the driveway, like, please do not turn here.
• 46:15
  I always make a point of touching the nose of the car on that sign when I turn.
• 46:20
  Well, I mean, I don't think we engaged in, endeared ourselves to
• 46:23
  the neighbours, because didn't you, you used to do that, that geyser
• 46:25
  across the way in Harcourt Drive?
• 46:27
  Remember we used to drive into his drive, and turn around after he came out, and
• 46:31
  he'd look out the window every day.
• 46:32
  LAUGHTER We'd wave.
• 46:38
  And I'd have Jason just looking.
• 46:41
  Was it, was it Harcourt Drive, the one where we tore up?
• 46:46
  There was like a grass verge, and we, we had shitty cars in front of the house.
• 46:51
  Yeah.
• 46:52
  And the landlord didn't consider it, they used the garage.
• 46:55
  And so we had to park our drive in shit.
• 46:57
  We didn't know, when we rented the house, we didn't know we couldn't use the garage.
• 47:01
  I was like, this is perfect, we've got a garage and a drive for two cars.
• 47:04
  We can get stuff in there and work in the garage.
• 47:06
  It was only after we moved in, they were like, fuck you, can't use the garage.
• 47:10
  I, I didn't realize that, um, but do you remember that was when we
• 47:13
  had that alpha 33 on the lawn?
• 47:17
  Yeah, the neighbors hated us pretty quickly, um, after we moved in with
• 47:21
  our detritus of cars that never moved anywhere, and we didn't mow the back lawn.
• 47:27
  Hippies use, hippies use the rear entrance.
• 47:33
  Yeah, the mowing of the back lawn, I remember having my leather coat
• 47:36
  on backwards and going at it with Slater's two stroke streamer, like
• 47:41
  I would play it like it was some kind of jungle in suburban Reading.
• 47:48
  Well, you remember the neighbours were good mates with the landlord,
• 47:50
  so they rang up and grassed us up.
• 47:51
  Oh, I don't remember that, no.
• 47:53
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why that biatch of us in estate agent rang us up and
• 47:56
  was strobing us, because the neighbours had rung the landlord, who'd rung them,
• 48:01
  who didn't know anything about it, and had rung us to rant at us, and we were
• 48:04
  like, well, we'll get the garden cut before we move out, what's the deal?
• 48:08
  They were like, you've gotta cover out of the grass.
• 48:11
  We were like, oh, it's like kneehigh now.
• 48:13
  I mean, it's like a meadow . Yeah.
• 48:15
  I remember you saying, I remember you saying that it needed to be done
• 48:18
  and me agreeing that it needed to be done and not doing it, and you
• 48:22
  being like, mate, it's gotta be done.
• 48:23
  And me feeling an ass for not doing it more promptly.
• 48:27
  Um, I do remember that.
• 48:29
  Well, it wouldn't have been an issue if it wasn't for the snitch neighbours.
• 48:33
  Well, looking back, it was out of order that it was a nice suburban house.
• 48:37
  And I remember some of it being above my head.
• 48:41
  And this was like the back garden.
• 48:42
  Yeah, it I mean, in these days, we just put up a little sign calling
• 48:47
  it an eco grove or something and Lloyd get win an award, get
• 48:50
  rewilding, win an award or something.
• 48:54
  A Titchmar should be down there doing a documentary about it, past the
• 48:58
  rusting Sierra and behind the Capri.
• 49:02
  Well, both of those would be super collectible and
• 49:04
  valuable now, wouldn't they?
• 49:06
  Yeah.
• 49:06
  I mean, a bloke, do you remember a bloke knocked on the door of that
• 49:08
  house to try and buy that Capri off?
• 49:11
  Me.
• 49:11
  I, you know, you shoulda, well, I fucking should have, shouldn't I?
• 49:14
  Because it probably would've lived on and now, uh, and now
• 49:18
  it's, it's gone to the DVLA.
• 49:20
  In the, uh, in, in the sky whilst we pivoted onto cars, um, uh, GRIP, you run
• 49:28
  that Corsa VXR in that rather lurid blue.
• 49:33
  How is it treating you?
• 49:35
  Yeah, I do.
• 49:37
  Well, having been driving it quite a lot just recently, cause I'm back in
• 49:42
  the office say about 50 percent of the time it's been treating me well.
• 49:47
  It is, uh, it's a.
• 49:49
  It's a lovely little car to drive.
• 49:52
  Punchy.
• 49:53
  All the poker that I'll ever need.
• 49:55
  Um, couple of decent corners both to and from work where you can like, you
• 50:01
  know, properly power through them.
• 50:04
  Exit speed.
• 50:07
  When you join the A 38 from, uh, Lee Mill.
• 50:12
  Yeah.
• 50:12
  You know, you come in under the bridge and then the Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 50:15
  Oh, and then up the on ramp.
• 50:16
  Yeah.
• 50:16
  Yeah.
• 50:17
  Yeah.
• 50:17
  That's a good corner that, that corner.
• 50:19
  We all know this bit of road really well.
• 50:24
  Yeah.
• 50:24
  That is a good bit of road.
• 50:25
  Yeah.
• 50:25
  Go on in.
• 50:27
  Well, and then the same coming off if you get and saying, yeah, yeah.
• 50:30
  Okay, cool.
• 50:30
  Yeah.
• 50:30
  If you get the traffic lights coming up, marshal, you've got
• 50:33
  the on-ramp up there as well.
• 50:36
  Yeah, if you get fortunate with it, you need to be late
• 50:38
  into the first one, don't you?
• 50:39
  So it's gone green for the next two, yeah.
• 50:45
  That, that climb up Marsh Mill, um, one of my, uh, salient teenage memories
• 50:52
  is, is doing that in, um, Remember Muir's girlfriend, Andrew Muir, his
• 50:58
  girlfriend, her dad had a used car lot and he had a brown Mitsubishi Starion
• 51:08
  off that lot one time.
• 51:10
  And I remember that was the first time I did more than 120 miles
• 51:13
  an hour in a car up Marshmills.
• 51:15
  Because it was, it was off the roundabout and Muir just launched
• 51:18
  it and I was like, fucking hell, I'd never been in a car that pulled past
• 51:22
  100 miles an hour like that before.
• 51:24
  It was a, it was a life changing.
• 51:28
  A life changing moment for me.
• 51:29
  Um, Mark, that M2, how's it treating you now?
• 51:34
  There, there was, we did, uh, I haven't touched it, to be honest.
• 51:38
  It's, it's my project for, I've got a bunch of stuff on car related
• 51:42
  issues I'm working on this week.
• 51:43
  So the batteries flatten it, because obviously with Angie's
• 51:46
  illnesses and stuff, I basically didn't drive it anywhere.
• 51:48
  So it's, um, uh, it's batteries flattening, it needs an MOT.
• 51:52
  So that's happening like as soon as they can book it in.
• 51:55
  Um, I needed to get.
• 51:56
  A new battery in the Zed and get the Zed running to get that out of the way
• 52:01
  to get it into the garage to charge it.
• 52:03
  Um, so that's how, that, which has now happened.
• 52:05
  The Zed lives again, which is great to, it was nice to hear it finally.
• 52:09
  I put this, I put the battery in it and it just went, no.
• 52:12
  I thought bollocks and I thought on set.
• 52:14
  I bought that battery like a few months ago, so I whacked it on
• 52:17
  charge and the next morning it was like, oh, yeah, yeah, no problem.
• 52:19
  Straight up.
• 52:20
  So, um, so yeah, so I'm gonna do some work on the z uh, just some fairly basic stuff.
• 52:25
  I've gotta get the, um, that under tray thing ordered from Nissan.
• 52:28
  Um, and there's a, I looked under the bonnet.
• 52:31
  There's loads of like, bolts on there that are just like little stubby,
• 52:34
  sort of like nut and washer bolts.
• 52:37
  That one piece jobs, they're all rusted and they look awful and they're
• 52:40
  all rusted and they're like nothing.
• 52:41
  So I'm just going to buy a load of those and get that replaced whilst I'm
• 52:44
  doing some other bits and bobs to it.
• 52:45
  But now the M2 is going to get fixed or I'm going to flog it
• 52:48
  because I'm not enjoying it.
• 52:49
  Um, and uh, then I'm getting the CBR fixed up as well because that just
• 52:56
  needs a, I've got a battery for that and MOT and I can start using that again.
• 53:00
  So, um, yeah.
• 53:03
  We, I will report back next, next pod on how we got on with it and
• 53:06
  how well BMW have serviced me with my extended warranty, whether
• 53:10
  they've actually fixed the thing.
• 53:11
  Yeah, I think, um, I do think I do feel bad for you with that
• 53:15
  M2 with the juddery brakes.
• 53:17
  That's the thing that's stuck in my mind from you moaning in the other pod.
• 53:22
  Well, that's the major structural problem that ruins the driving experience.
• 53:25
  There's loads of other tinkery issues that don't work on it that have just
• 53:29
  been a bottle of cake, but they'll, I'm sure they'll fix all those.
• 53:33
  It's will they fix the big one?
• 53:34
  So we'll see.
• 53:35
  Yeah.
• 53:36
  Yeah.
• 53:37
  Um, I'm jumping around here, Greek, but I watch these like used car channel guys,
• 53:43
  and they're always like, Oh, of course.
• 53:45
  They're timing chain.
• 53:47
  So is that, I mean, does it.
• 53:50
  How many miles does yours have on it now?
• 53:53
  Uh, coming up on 35.
• 53:57
  Oh, alright, yeah.
• 53:58
  Alright, yeah.
• 54:01
  Yeah.
• 54:01
  Because apparently the timing chains stretch and rattle.
• 54:05
  And I guess I have some empathy with you because that also happens on Suzuki GSXRs.
• 54:10
  And, uh I have a bike like a fairly high mile one that recently had some work
• 54:15
  done to it and the idea was it fixed that and it's as rattly now as it was before
• 54:20
  and you're like, well, that's marvelous.
• 54:22
  I spent thousands of dollars to get exactly the same thing
• 54:25
  as I, uh, as I had before.
• 54:27
  When I put my foot down in the, uh, the Corsa, it still gives me the, uh, the
• 54:32
  goose pumps that it did on the test drive.
• 54:36
  Which is why I bought it.
• 54:37
  I mean, prior to the test drive, I was, which ST am I going to have?
• 54:44
  Am I going to have, you know, go back to, um, I focus ST,
• 54:49
  you know, the, uh, the old 2.
• 54:50
  5 cause I, um, I'd found a fairly decent, I think it was nine grand
• 54:57
  one up in Tavistock, but I drove it and it just felt floaty and heavy.
• 55:05
  Yeah, it had the, the good noise, the 2.
• 55:08
  5 turbo engine and you know, when the, uh, when it dumped, it gives you a
• 55:13
  little semi every time, you know, um, and then I drove, um, Angie's not, not
• 55:21
  Angie's one, but the, the, um, Fiesta ST, and that felt tighter and, oh, and
• 55:27
  Dana's got one or you've got one as well, but I did enjoy that, but then
• 55:32
  when I got in the, the Corsa, so yeah.
• 55:34
  It just felt tighter.
• 55:36
  It felt more like a, um, a racehorse that you're like, it's on, it's
• 55:43
  on the bridle sort of thing, but it's all pumped up and ready to go.
• 55:47
  Alrighty,
• 56:10
  we've talked for over an hour now, so, uh, I'm going to go under the quick fire.
• 56:15
  Phase now, but but before I do that you you probably you're probably aware
• 56:20
  I break up episodes now when we pivot from one topic to another or when I do a
• 56:24
  choppy edit I break it up with a little a little bit of heavy metal I was gonna
• 56:31
  do only Slayer for for this episode Um, I don't need to explain to you boys.
• 56:38
  Why only Slayer?
• 56:40
  What I was going to suggest was What little clip should I use?
• 56:46
  I tend to use like 30 seconds.
• 56:48
  Um, what little clips when I say, you know, if you were going to
• 56:52
  theme this episode with a break up section, with a few little bits of
• 56:56
  Slayer, what little bits of Slayer would you boys be thinking of?
• 57:02
  Uh, the intro to Die by the Sword?
• 57:07
  Yeah.
• 57:08
  That's the one where it's in one ear and then the other ear and stuff, isn't it?
• 57:12
  No, I think that's behind the crooked cross.
• 57:13
  Is it?
• 57:14
  Okay, that one then.
• 57:15
  Yeah.
• 57:15
  That one then.
• 57:16
  Alright, yeah.
• 57:19
  Uh, what's the one that
• 57:24
  south of heaven?
• 57:26
  Yeah.
• 57:26
  Before you see the light, you must die.
• 57:31
  Yeah.
• 57:31
  That's it.
• 57:32
  Yeah.
• 57:53
  See?
• 58:04
  All right, well, that's, uh, I'll definitely, uh, be able
• 58:08
  to use, you, you use that bit.
• 58:10
  All right.
• 58:11
  Um, quick fire.
• 58:13
  My first car, that orange Cortina that I had, what's your primary memory of it?
• 58:18
  It had a 9.
• 58:19
  1 liter engine.
• 58:21
  Definitely 9.
• 58:22
  1.
• 58:23
  Yeah.
• 58:25
  So I guess the car was a 1.
• 58:27
  6.
• 58:28
  But the badge kept falling off because the trunk lid, the boot lid had got rusty.
• 58:34
  So the badge where it said Cortina 1.
• 58:37
  6, it rusted and fell off.
• 58:39
  So it had been stuck on with sellotape and it kept on falling, whatever.
• 58:42
  One time my dad suggested that I file the top of the 1 off and then matte black the
• 58:49
  rest of it because the badge was all black and then stick it on the wrong way up.
• 58:53
  So it said Cortina 9.
• 58:55
  1.
• 59:00
  Can I just say I know you're on your quick fire round, but um, can
• 59:03
  you beat this as a first car story?
• 59:06
  My first car was a voxel cavalier sri.
• 59:09
  Do you remember this that I bought off?
• 59:12
  Jackie and then sold to gav I, I, I do, but it didn't work.
• 59:17
  There we go.
• 59:17
  It didn't work.
• 59:18
  No, no, I never drove it.
• 59:20
  Couldn't drive it.
• 59:21
  Bought it for 50 quid and sold it for Gav for, I think, 200.
• 59:25
  Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
• 59:28
  Cha ching!
• 59:29
  Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
• 59:32
  I didn't know it was an SRI.
• 59:34
  What color was it?
• 59:34
  Yeah, yeah.
• 59:35
  White.
• 59:37
  Yeah, yeah.
• 59:37
  White.
• 59:37
  I remember it being parked at the back.
• 59:38
  Didn't it like have a window that wouldn't go up or something?
• 59:42
  No, that was the um Was it 209?
• 59:45
  309 that I had.
• 59:48
  They were just randomly lower the window.
• 59:50
  You went Peugeot 309?
• 59:53
  Yeah, that was what I used to come down to visit you guys in
• 59:56
  when I first passed my test.
• 59:59
  Wasn't it red?
• 1:00:00
  Yeah.
• 1:00:01
  Yeah.
• 1:00:02
  Really?
• 1:00:03
  What motor did it have?
• 1:00:07
  An internal combustion engine.
• 1:00:13
  Didn't they have like a 1.
• 1:00:15
  5 or something?
• 1:00:16
  Yeah, it wasn't.
• 1:00:20
  All right, next quick fire.
• 1:00:22
  What's your most recent moment?
• 1:00:25
  How am I going first?
• 1:00:26
  Yeah, the most recent one for me.
• 1:00:28
  When I went to get this K5 serviced with, with John, he was going to put
• 1:00:34
  lower clip ons on it, he was going to take the factory exhaust off and put the
• 1:00:38
  Remus one on and, and I was worried it was going to spoil the bike's character.
• 1:00:43
  It was going to, you know, make it.
• 1:00:45
  more like the other jigsaws that are too hardcore for me
• 1:00:48
  to feel comfortable riding.
• 1:00:49
  And, and, you know, I was worried it was going to spoil its, its character.
• 1:00:53
  So I thought, but, but it needed the valves adjusting, you know, it needed
• 1:00:57
  to service, it needed care and feeding.
• 1:01:00
  So it was, you know, it was going to go under the knife and I was worried his
• 1:01:03
  character was going to change afterwards.
• 1:01:05
  Um, so I went out for a little ride and did.
• 1:01:08
  Something that I've, I've not done for a long time, which is really
• 1:01:14
  open the throttle on it properly.
• 1:01:16
  And I guess because of the seasons here, you know, when it rains, you
• 1:01:21
  know, the sun bakes the tarmac and makes it all melt and get all bubbly.
• 1:01:26
  And then it rains and the people drive over either way.
• 1:01:28
  The surface of the roads have these sort of quite often quite large potholes.
• 1:01:33
  They might be like an inch deep But, you know, with a quite a rough edge on it,
• 1:01:38
  either way, the kind of pothole, which would have you off on a sports bike at
• 1:01:44
  the kind of speed that I was doing and going in between seeing two of these
• 1:01:48
  potholes and being like, Oh, that foot wide area in between them will be fine.
• 1:01:54
  And going in between them at a significant rate of speed.
• 1:01:59
  That was the most recent time where I was like, you know, it wasn't
• 1:02:01
  really a, like a sphincter clencher.
• 1:02:03
  It was more of a.
• 1:02:05
  Uh, I'm too old to to be doing this and riding in this kind of way and
• 1:02:10
  having to make those kind of decisions.
• 1:02:13
  So that's my so my mine is just harking back to what we're saying.
• 1:02:18
  You know, the entry onto the 38 from Marshmills roundabout, um, you're
• 1:02:23
  coming up the hill to join the main road, and it's only when you're
• 1:02:28
  about two thirds, three quarters of the way up that you can see.
• 1:02:32
  If there's any platform on the lanes.
• 1:02:35
  Because it's above you, yeah.
• 1:02:37
  And there's always that moment when you get there, and there's like some
• 1:02:40
  sort of like, 18 wheeler juggernaut.
• 1:02:43
  On the inside lane and he's going to come across you, but he's 200
• 1:02:47
  meters ahead of you, and you've only got 400 meters of the road left.
• 1:02:50
  What are you going to do?
• 1:02:51
  Ah, floor it, of course.
• 1:02:53
  Yeah.
• 1:02:54
  And the, the responsiveness of your 200 horses, um, VXR means that you swiftly
• 1:03:01
  undertake that, um, uh, 18 wheeling before it can come across your lane.
• 1:03:08
  And leaving all the other twats behind you that are coming
• 1:03:10
  up, struggling up the hill.
• 1:03:14
  My reason, my only, I haven't had any particular issues recently other
• 1:03:17
  than that the, uh, uh, on, on the Fiesta ST, the, uh, throttle body
• 1:03:22
  split when we were driving for a weekend away really annoyed me.
• 1:03:24
  We were going out to watch something at Stratford on, on the, uh, um,
• 1:03:28
  and I didn't get to see the play because I basically, it's this
• 1:03:30
  side going, um, um, um, um, idle.
• 1:03:34
  Um, and then randomly would because it wasn't holding a steady revs when you
• 1:03:40
  were driving along, it would just go after a bit, the fuel injection chip,
• 1:03:45
  which is an engine management chip, would just get confused and go, ah, and
• 1:03:48
  stop sending anything to the, to the, so you, you just have to coast to a stop
• 1:03:52
  and then pull up, turn it off, turn it back on again, and then as long as you
• 1:03:56
  could then get going, but with this constant fluttering accelerator and stuff.
• 1:04:01
  Yeah, because you're getting way too much air, wasn't it?
• 1:04:05
  Fuel mix at all.
• 1:04:06
  So I had to drive that back from basically about two thirds of the way to Stratford
• 1:04:11
  and it did occur to me if it had been Well, any of you, me and either of you
• 1:04:17
  going to that night out in Stratford, we would have made the theatre and gone and
• 1:04:21
  watched the show and just gone, meh, you know, very much in the, you know, writing
• 1:04:26
  on a piece of cardboard on the field, Ford Sierra out the back of Hammersmith Apollo.
• 1:04:30
  That car has broken down.
• 1:04:32
  I'm fetching assistance.
• 1:04:33
  Please do not tow.
• 1:04:34
  And then going in CDO, um, having gone at 55 down the hard shoulder
• 1:04:40
  through a massive traffic jam in the rain because the car was overheating.
• 1:04:43
  Uh, we would have just gone for it.
• 1:04:46
  It would have meant driving through the middle of Stratford.
• 1:04:48
  And you know what a nudgery little ass monkey the middle of Stratford is?
• 1:04:51
  Because the hotel was right opposite the fucking theatre.
• 1:04:53
  Um, it would have just been like, it would have been constantly going,
• 1:04:56
  Ram, Ram, Ram, like sounding like the worst kind of boy racer, Bevan.
• 1:05:00
  Every time he stopped.
• 1:05:03
  Every time he put up with the fucking And then, you know, the only thing
• 1:05:07
  you could do, was just turn it off.
• 1:05:08
  Then of course you're constantly having to get going again and turning back on it.
• 1:05:13
  Now these days, actually, you sort of sound like you're being eco,
• 1:05:16
  and having a, you know, a lot of cars do that stop start, rather
• 1:05:20
  than just you're driving a piece of shit and fucking do what it's told.
• 1:05:25
  So no, as it was, we came home instead, claimed on travel insurance.
• 1:05:28
  That um, D.
• 1:05:29
  O.
• 1:05:29
  night, well I remember about that D.
• 1:05:31
  O.
• 1:05:31
  night, apart from the fact that that was, I saw D.
• 1:05:33
  O.
• 1:05:34
  in San Francisco, but that night in London he was much, much better.
• 1:05:38
  We stayed, Ollie and I, Stay just near like with the family.
• 1:05:43
  Um, I, last summer when we were in, uh, in England, we stayed just near there.
• 1:05:48
  And the first night we were staying Dana had to work on Olly and I like
• 1:05:51
  strolled, we like strolled around and looked all around and I was
• 1:05:55
  like, Whoa, this was where I saw Dio.
• 1:05:58
  Um, do you remember when we came out, we bought water, drank the water, peed in
• 1:06:05
  the bottles and then poured it into the.
• 1:06:07
  radiator.
• 1:06:08
  I remember doing that.
• 1:06:10
  That's the only time I've ever literally put, put P in.
• 1:06:14
  The other thing I remember about that was it overheating and us being like,
• 1:06:17
  what the fuck are we going to do?
• 1:06:18
  Let's just like get over on the hard shoulder.
• 1:06:21
  And then we were like heater on windows down.
• 1:06:23
  Do you remember?
• 1:06:23
  It was like a rainy night and we drove up the hard shoulder with the B flashes on.
• 1:06:27
  And then if you got to the front The police were like, the road's open.
• 1:06:30
  And you were like, top stuff, drop to third and accelerate
• 1:06:34
  away, kind of thing, wasn't it?
• 1:06:37
  We were getting such evil stares from all the poor fuckers in the traffic
• 1:06:40
  as we just drove up the hard shoulder.
• 1:06:42
  Alright, um.
• 1:06:45
  That's Ford's.
• 1:06:45
  Bash it on the heater, full max, vents on, don't know why it works.
• 1:06:50
  Oh, no, the reason, the reason it works is that the, uh, um, the water
• 1:06:58
  normally goes engine to radiator, engine to radiator, engine to radiator.
• 1:07:03
  If you turn the heater on, it goes engine to radiator to heater
• 1:07:07
  matrix to engine to radiator.
• 1:07:09
  So it has a longer journey.
• 1:07:12
  Oh, so it's just taking more energy out of it before it goes back in.
• 1:07:15
  Oh, I got you.
• 1:07:17
  Uh, we mentioned your Cavalier SRI there, um, Greig.
• 1:07:22
  Was that the cheapest car you ever bought?
• 1:07:23
  That's my next question.
• 1:07:24
  Cheapest car you ever bought?
• 1:07:26
  It was.
• 1:07:27
  Yeah.
• 1:07:29
  It's 30 quid.
• 1:07:29
  Cavalier SRI.
• 1:07:30
  30 quid.
• 1:07:31
  50 quid.
• 1:07:33
  50 quid, yeah.
• 1:07:37
  Uh, I think the cheapest vehicle I've ever bought.
• 1:07:40
  Was that Honda Cub 90 that I think I bought for 190 quid.
• 1:07:47
  You don't even try and I paid 20 for that Kawasaki KZ that I, I bought.
• 1:07:52
  Um, dens.
• 1:07:56
  NFL or Premiership?
• 1:07:57
  NFL.
• 1:08:01
  Alright.
• 1:08:02
  Easily.
• 1:08:03
  It's the I'm not even asking you why, because I know it's NFL.
• 1:08:07
  It's the greatest team sport on the planet, full stop.
• 1:08:12
  Best movie car?
• 1:08:17
  Mad Max Ford Falcon.
• 1:08:20
  Yeah, there's a lot you can be saying for that.
• 1:08:22
  Only because I've been recently liking him, I'll go with that Ronin SA.
• 1:08:28
  Alright.
• 1:08:28
  After he ported it, invented it, and tweaked it and stuff.
• 1:08:32
  That'd be good to get.
• 1:08:33
  Or is it the Sucks 6000 from Robocop?
• 1:08:37
  Awww, it's still got the factory sticker on it!
• 1:08:42
  Yes!
• 1:08:43
  I'd buy that for a dollar.
• 1:08:44
  6000 SUX.
• 1:08:51
  Favorite car of the moment?
• 1:08:56
  Uh, I wanna have a go in one of those, um, Yaris GRs.
• 1:09:02
  We don't get the Corona GRs over.
• 1:09:04
  I'd be interested.
• 1:09:04
  We don't get them here.
• 1:09:05
  I'd be interested in that, but you get them in the U.
• 1:09:07
  S.
• 1:09:07
  We don't get them, but like that, that is a cool looking piece, piece of kit.
• 1:09:11
  That Jerry Harris GR 300 horsepower in a fucking titchy
• 1:09:14
  ass proper homologation special.
• 1:09:17
  I know my mate's Tesla and I know it was my first experience of an electric car.
• 1:09:24
  And I just, um, it's pretty.
• 1:09:28
  Fucking far removed from the old definition of a car, but the performance
• 1:09:36
  that it could deliver was just on a level beyond anything that I'd driven in, you
• 1:09:43
  know, you know, when we sat in the ring taxi and that guy bond us round and like,
• 1:09:49
  we were like, fuck, this is like, you know, he's doing stuff we would never do.
• 1:09:53
  That's what the sort of step up to the Tesla.
• 1:09:57
  Felt like yeah, I mean I didn't like the whole rest of it like the the
• 1:10:02
  screen and it like telling you when you're like Not in the middle of the
• 1:10:06
  lane and all that crap like fuck off.
• 1:10:08
  I'm driving Yeah, they they are I say to people now because I had a clash with a
• 1:10:14
  student about five years ago where I'd said look They're just not cars to me.
• 1:10:19
  Tesla's are just not cars It's,
• 1:10:27
  it's, and I, and so in other words, at that time, I hadn't yet come to
• 1:10:31
  terms with just how revolutionary they were in terms of moving up, moving
• 1:10:35
  forward with how we define the car.
• 1:10:39
  What I think, what's been interesting for me is, is, um.
• 1:10:43
  With Tesla, the way they sort of were revolutionary and have since then
• 1:10:48
  have just done things like improve the build quality and tweak and improve and
• 1:10:52
  tweak and improve and where once they were, you know, like Ikea furniture
• 1:10:57
  next to a Porsche now they're in the same breath as, uh, as a Porsche.
• 1:11:05
  Don't you think, are you excited by any, like there's, I mean, electric hot
• 1:11:10
  hatches coming out now, isn't there?
• 1:11:11
  I do like that idea.
• 1:11:17
  Yeah, I saw that Renault one, that Alpine that's like the Renault
• 1:11:21
  5 Turbo, I saw some stuff about that, we talked about that on this
• 1:11:25
  pod, that is an interesting car.
• 1:11:28
  I was going to say, my favorite, my favorite vehicle at the moment, I
• 1:11:31
  didn't have one when I asked you the question, and, but there is something
• 1:11:35
  that's popped into my mind, it's led me to be surfing on, online,
• 1:11:40
  these, these particular vehicles.
• 1:11:42
  I like this BMW CE 04 scooter.
• 1:11:47
  This BMW electric scooter is the first electric vehicle.
• 1:11:51
  I've looked down for that's bloody cool.
• 1:11:55
  And the driver is that around the city.
• 1:11:59
  Um, there's these, there's these Neo mopeds that you
• 1:12:02
  can rent as part of, of, um.
• 1:12:06
  Oh, I can't remember the name of the service now, but whatever.
• 1:12:09
  It's like scooter rental and they limit them.
• 1:12:11
  They're neo scooters.
• 1:12:11
  They limit them to 30 miles an hour.
• 1:12:13
  They're great fun for around town.
• 1:12:15
  It's a really good idea that, that, uh, um, to, to do these kinds of things,
• 1:12:20
  but 30 miles an hour is too slow.
• 1:12:22
  These are less.
• 1:12:22
  So I was looking for some cheapy little electric thing
• 1:12:26
  that could do 50 miles an hour.
• 1:12:27
  I feel like 50 miles an hour is the 50 miles an hour.
• 1:12:30
  And you can park easily.
• 1:12:32
  That seems to me to, to, to be the, the sweet spot, but those
• 1:12:35
  machines all seem to be about sort of 2, 000 the BMWs more than that.
• 1:12:40
  It's like 4, 000, but, um, I saw them when we were on holiday in Paris last summer.
• 1:12:46
  Um, I, I'm really interested in a moped environment, 13, 000.
• 1:12:55
  Oh, have I missed, looked at the price?
• 1:12:57
  Was it, uh, no, it's 4.
• 1:12:59
  I mean, I, I, I, I, I, I always thought, oh, I'll just look it up whilst we're
• 1:13:02
  chatting because I couldn't picture it.
• 1:13:04
  And I thought, oh, I have seen a picture of that.
• 1:13:05
  And at the top of the page, I'm on the BMW CEO for 12, 000, from 12, 850.
• 1:13:11
  Ah, they're not as expensive as that here, but they're still pretty expensive.
• 1:13:14
  They're still more expensive than I'm, than I'm going to be spending on one.
• 1:13:17
  I'm just saying I'm quite fascinated by them.
• 1:13:19
  If money was no object.
• 1:13:20
  Oh, look, I like the avant garde looks on them.
• 1:13:22
  Yeah, that's what I love.
• 1:13:23
  It's like you were talking about that suitcase one, Ganny, that suitcase
• 1:13:27
  moped that looks like a suitcase.
• 1:13:29
  I like that as well, but that's one of the ones that's limited to 30
• 1:13:32
  miles an hour, which is all right.
• 1:13:33
  If you've, if you've like popped out of the tube and you just
• 1:13:37
  need to go somewhere, that's.
• 1:13:39
  But but for me getting around suburbia on but you need 50 miles an hour and I'm
• 1:13:43
  ready to do I'm ready to do two wheels on city streets More than on a dual
• 1:13:49
  carriageway because the speeds are too high on a on a dual carriageway on city
• 1:13:53
  streets The speeds are kind of lower and I know san francisco and that's
• 1:13:57
  that's a a use case that I feel like I could I could use um tesla rosser or gt3
• 1:14:09
  Yeah, I probably would take the GT3 as well.
• 1:14:12
  Um, I'm really not sure.
• 1:14:18
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• 1:14:25
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• 1:14:27
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