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SMNTY Classics: Dr. TikTok · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
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  Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stuff one ever told you a protection
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  Speaker 2: of I Heart Radio, and welcome to another classic. Samantha
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  Speaker 2: and I have been talking a lot about health lately
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  Speaker 2: because we both had some issues that we've had to
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  Speaker 2: seek medical attention for. And we're both having trouble now
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  Speaker 2: that we've finally taken that step getting that medical Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: which is no laughing matter, but it's just we put
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  Speaker 2: it off for so long and now it's like, you
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  Speaker 2: really really should have done it earlier, at.
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  Speaker 1: Least in my case, but I did.
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  Speaker 2: Recently, both of us have seen medical professionals, and I
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  Speaker 2: there's some things really stuck out with me with my
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  Speaker 2: visit to the hospital. And one thing was I could
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  Speaker 2: tell that some people thought I was trying to diagnose myself.
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  Speaker 2: And this is something that you have talked about. You
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  Speaker 2: did an episode about being on TikTok and diagnosing yourself
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  Speaker 2: more around mental health than anything else. But I could
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  Speaker 2: tell that some people because I would I said it
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  Speaker 2: in the episode where I talked about it.
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  Speaker 1: But I went to like fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: Doctors, not doctors, but like personnel, and some of them
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  Speaker 2: I think were like, she saw this online.
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  Speaker 1: Now she thinks she's got our social media.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't even saying I was just saying, like, I,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it always happens in the morning, and I've
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  Speaker 2: read that if I know how it sounds, I know
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  Speaker 2: how it sounds. But I'm not on TikTok, and that's
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  Speaker 2: not what was happening. But I do think a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people do this kind of a running joke about
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  Speaker 2: like the web, the web in d oh, I'm dying thing.
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  Speaker 2: But what you're saying to me, oh no, never, never, Samantha,
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  Speaker 2: but yes, please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is
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  Speaker 2: Annie and Samantha and welcome to stephan I never told
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  Speaker 2: you a prediction of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and welcome to another Monday Mini. And for today's
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  Speaker 3: Monday Mini, we're gonna play What's Samantha's Diagnosis with y'all.
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  Speaker 3: I'm having a moment right now because I just told
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  Speaker 3: Aandie I'm smelling something very floral. I'm trying to figure
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  Speaker 3: out why because I'm in my little cubby and honestly,
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  Speaker 3: this foreign smells almost like a perfume. So I'm like
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  Speaker 3: freaking out. I'm like, am I having a stroke. I'm
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  Speaker 3: concerned I don't think so. And if you see me
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  Speaker 3: doing things, please let me know. Might be an odd episode.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah anyway, But I mean I say all this kiddingly,
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  Speaker 3: but I mean I'm not gonna lie when I say
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  Speaker 3: I might go look on TikTok. I might go look
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  Speaker 3: on TikTok. Honestly, as much as I love TikTok, there's
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  Speaker 3: so many things that TikTok I've told me that I'm
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  Speaker 3: starting to get really concerned about a lot of things,
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  Speaker 3: and as in fact, I've also learned about conditions that
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know existed and feeling like maybe that's part
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  Speaker 3: of my problem because I really feel like there's something
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  Speaker 3: off all the time. And when I say something off,
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  Speaker 3: I see like something's imbalanced in my body. And it
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  Speaker 3: could be that I'm going through perimenopause, which we're going
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  Speaker 3: to talk about in a later date, because I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: what is that and have I entered that? And what
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  Speaker 3: does that look like? As well as maybe it's something
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  Speaker 3: that I've always been going through that didn't I did
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  Speaker 3: not realize was normal. When I talk to people, I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: that's not normal. I found out that people Asian people
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  Speaker 3: have a gene that makes their ear wax different from
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  Speaker 3: other people. I was like what, And then I started
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  Speaker 3: ask skin around like is this the type of earwax
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  Speaker 3: you have? And they're like yes, And I was like what.
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  Speaker 1: I love that you asked around about.
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  Speaker 3: Like white people, tell me what this is.
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  Speaker 1: I know you asked multiple.
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  Speaker 3: I asked multiple people, but like, this is all because
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  Speaker 3: of TikTok. These are things that I'm like, huh, I
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  Speaker 3: did not know this. Again, like I said, because I'm
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  Speaker 3: watching these things and these things are popping up on
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  Speaker 3: my for you page, I sorry to become a little
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  Speaker 3: concerned with all the similarities I've seemed to be having
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  Speaker 3: with all these mental and medical help things that I'm like, what,
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  Speaker 3: what's going on? And with that, I began to wonder
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  Speaker 3: if others were feeling and noticing this too. Uh. And yes,
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  Speaker 3: there are article after article with similar questions, and even
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  Speaker 3: one is concerned on how it's affecting the youth today.
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  Speaker 3: But I will say we're going to go back and
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  Speaker 3: forth bit on this for a minute, because it also
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  Speaker 3: it's one of those moments of like we need things
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  Speaker 3: like this to be taken seriously. There are two different
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  Speaker 3: perspectives obviously, with this one. It's a good thing because
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  Speaker 3: it brings awareness to mental health and physical health for
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  Speaker 3: those who've been gas lit by the medical filled u.
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  Speaker 3: You can see why women You can see our episodes
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  Speaker 3: about why women are not believed by the medical professionals,
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  Speaker 3: and even our episode on women with autism and ADHD
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  Speaker 3: and how misdiagnosed that is for women specifically, and for
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  Speaker 3: those in the black community specifically, like for those in
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  Speaker 3: the marginalized community, how often this is misdiagnosed or not
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  Speaker 3: diagnosed at all, or just disregarded altogether. And the information
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  Speaker 3: on how to be taken seriously by their doctors has
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  Speaker 3: been validating and even life saving, to the point that, yes,
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  Speaker 3: I know doctors are really, really, really really really upset
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  Speaker 3: with WebMD and getting more so with TikTok because people
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  Speaker 3: are like I saw this on TikTok, I googled this
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  Speaker 3: on WebMD, and yes, I think that TikTok has become
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  Speaker 3: the new web ms, which many have talked about recently.
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  Speaker 3: I saw a Reddit post about it like it's just
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  Speaker 3: the new MMD and people complaining about it. I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: it's kind of true, but we talked about before any how,
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  Speaker 3: TikTok has become one of the best or the bigger
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  Speaker 3: search engines for people today, like instead of going to Google,
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  Speaker 3: they're going to TikTok. And I wonder if that's partially
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  Speaker 3: because not only did Google get bought out essentially by
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  Speaker 3: people who wanted their content to be at the top
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  Speaker 3: or who can do this and who has the more
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  Speaker 3: money companies, big corporate companies coming in and for a while,
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  Speaker 3: TikTok was not like that. It has drastically changed. Please
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  Speaker 3: see previous episodes with Bridget about consumer stuff as well
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  Speaker 3: as influencer stuff and who's getting bought out. We could
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  Speaker 3: talk about this genocide that is currently occurring and influencers
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  Speaker 3: who are being bought out by pro specific sides. I
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  Speaker 3: guess you can say, you know, like they've been called out.
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  Speaker 3: They've talked about big lobbyists going after politicians to try
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  Speaker 3: to run against other politicians that they did not like
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  Speaker 3: their agenda. We've known that's happened with NRA, but they're
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  Speaker 3: actually using TikTok and social media influences like that and
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  Speaker 3: buying people out like that. So we know that TikTok
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  Speaker 3: has changed, unfortunately from what it was originally when you
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  Speaker 3: could get more probably genuine, I guess posts. Whether it's
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  Speaker 3: people talking about their own experiences with whatever diagnosis they
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  Speaker 3: may have or whatever physical element they may have, and
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  Speaker 3: being able to understand what it is and for a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people figuring out, oh, that's what's been happening
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  Speaker 3: with me, POTS, POTS, post les, tachycardia syndrome, and I
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  Speaker 3: hope I said that right. Which is POTS, which has
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  Speaker 3: like dizziness or lightheadedness, fainting or almost fainting, noticeable heartbeats
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  Speaker 3: or heart palpitations, chest pains, shortness of breath, the chickening,
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  Speaker 3: and sweating. Those are some of the symptoms. I'm wondering
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  Speaker 3: if I need to question my doctor about that, because
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  Speaker 3: I definitely have fainted, not a lot, because I've seen
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  Speaker 3: people with severe POTS who think constantly like they have
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  Speaker 3: to have a service dog because this dog can feel it.
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  Speaker 3: But a lot of those are like, yeah, I do that,
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  Speaker 3: that's not normal. Not everybody does that. I thought we
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  Speaker 3: all did that, So there's like different questions. Those things
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  Speaker 3: like that can be really really helpful and life saving.
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  Speaker 3: In a twenty twenty two Time article titled for Some
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  Speaker 3: Women with ADHD, TikTok is the first place they felt heard.
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  Speaker 3: So they talk about how TikTok has been amazing for
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  Speaker 3: them for the women who have figured this out, And
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  Speaker 3: here's a quote from a woman who discovered her diagnosis
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  Speaker 3: after researching and finding videos on TikTok. For many women
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  Speaker 3: who see these videos in their feed, it's the first
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  Speaker 3: time they've learned about some of the symptoms of ADHD,
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  Speaker 3: beyond the most widely known hyperactive and trouble focusing quote.
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  Speaker 3: As an overachieving child who got good grades, ADHD was
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  Speaker 3: never on my radar. Lace told Time in an email,
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  Speaker 3: I was shocked to discover through TikTok that my experiences
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  Speaker 3: were consistent with ADHD. And she's not the only one.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about this before, so many like her finally
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  Speaker 3: had and definitions for things that she was doing. They
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  Speaker 3: were on a clinical level, such as masking or even
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  Speaker 3: being misdiagnosed, concluding that women were quiet due to being
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  Speaker 3: shy or even less intelligent instead of seeing that they
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  Speaker 3: were being inattentive due to ADHD and was incorrectly diagnosed
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  Speaker 3: or was told that's not a diagnosis of ADHD, which
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  Speaker 3: again we've talked about it previously. We've had guess Kate
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  Speaker 3: who was amazing talking about her eye diagnosis of ADHD
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  Speaker 3: and what that looks like for women and why it's
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  Speaker 3: so hard even today. But the message is spreading and
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  Speaker 3: social media has been a big part of that. TikTok
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  Speaker 3: specifically has been a huge part of that. There's also
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  Speaker 3: the awareness that helps destigmatize a mental health diagnosis. More
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  Speaker 3: people are able to talk about their experiences and talk
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  Speaker 3: about what they did and even how they were finally
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  Speaker 3: able to get people to listen to them, which helped
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  Speaker 3: others along the way. There were several articles about how
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  Speaker 3: it's decema tie mental health for men and helping men
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  Speaker 3: get help or realizing that they need help and what
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  Speaker 3: that help can do for them. So those are some
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  Speaker 3: amazing things that have occurred on TikTok specifically. But in
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  Speaker 3: an article written about teenagers and TikTok from CNN, they
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  Speaker 3: talk about the good and the bad and some parents
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  Speaker 3: phylis it has helped them with their teens And here's
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  Speaker 3: a quote from that. Julie Fulter from Raleigh, North Carolina
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  Speaker 3: said she began following ADHD influencers who were able to
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  Speaker 3: better explain behaviors impulsivities and how the condition is related
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  Speaker 3: to executive functioning, so she can help her daughter navigate
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  Speaker 3: her diagnosis. Meanwhile, another person from upstate New York feels
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  Speaker 3: mixed about her daughter using social media for reasons related
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  Speaker 3: to her autism diagnosis. She's doing a lot of self
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  Speaker 3: discovery right now in so many areas, and social media
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  Speaker 3: is a big part of that, she said. I know
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  Speaker 3: social media gets a bad rap, but in her case,
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  Speaker 3: it's hard to tell. Sometimes if the pros outweigh the
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  Speaker 3: cons and it goes on. And many adults appear to
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  Speaker 3: credit social media with helping them identify lifelong mental health struggles.
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  Speaker 3: One person, a thirty five year old professional photographer, says
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  Speaker 3: she sought guidance from a professional after seeing videos pop
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  Speaker 3: up on her TikTok for you page about eighty HD Okay,
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  Speaker 3: this for you page really has me thinking. And I've
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  Speaker 3: made this statement and I'm not trying to be ablest
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  Speaker 3: or any of that. I'm not making enlighten me in them,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm like, maybe I am on the spectrum because
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  Speaker 3: at this point in time, I'm having a rough time
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  Speaker 3: with these types of cognitive functioning social functioning, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: like what is this? But let's be very honest when
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  Speaker 3: it comes down to coming out of the pandemic, getting older,
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  Speaker 3: getting tired, things change, and not that I couldn't be
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  Speaker 3: on the spectrum. I could get that diagnosis, but that
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  Speaker 3: the more you hear things, the more you start kind
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  Speaker 3: of convincing yourself yes that's me, which for some is
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  Speaker 3: very helpful. For others, it could go down like a
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  Speaker 3: dangerous route again, like I'm saying, like I'm smelling things,
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  Speaker 3: what is happening? That's why it seemed to be okay, Annie,
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  Speaker 3: would you agree?
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  Speaker 1: I would, but you know I'm keeping an eye out.
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  Speaker 1: I'm keeping this, Please keep an eye out.
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  Speaker 3: But again that same article about teenagers, they talk about
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  Speaker 3: how there's the ups and downs, but it seems with
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  Speaker 3: even more risk with the self diagnosing. So from that article,
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  Speaker 3: it says a growing number of teens are turning to
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  Speaker 3: social media such as Instagram and TikTok for guidance, resources,
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  Speaker 3: and support for their mental health to find conditions that
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  Speaker 3: they think match their own, a trend that has alarmed parents, therapist,
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  Speaker 3: school counselors. According to interviews with CNN, some teens start
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  Speaker 3: to follow creators who discuss their own mental health conditions, symptoms,
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  Speaker 3: and treatments. Others have come across posts with symptom checklists
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  Speaker 3: to help decide if they meet the criteria for a diagnosis,
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  Speaker 3: and it continues. However, many parents and experts expressed concerns
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  Speaker 3: over how self diagnosing and mislabeling could exacerbate teens behaviors,
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  Speaker 3: make them feel isolated, and be counterproductive in giving them
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  Speaker 3: the help they need. In a worst case scenario, teens
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  Speaker 3: could set themselves on a path to receiving medication for
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  Speaker 3: condition they do not have, and once teens search for
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  Speaker 3: this mental health content, the algorithms may keep surfacing similar
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  Speaker 3: videos and posts. Some parents and therapists have found that
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  Speaker 3: once teens decide they have a condition, it can be
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  Speaker 3: hard to convince them otherwise again and in the article
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  Speaker 3: there's some theories as to why this is growing bigger
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  Speaker 3: for teens, It says some experts believe teens may be
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  Speaker 3: over identifying with a specific label or diagnosis, even if
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  Speaker 3: it is not a fully accurate representation of their struggles,
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  Speaker 3: because because a diagnosis can be a shield or justification
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  Speaker 3: of behavior in social situations.
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  Speaker 1: Quote.
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  Speaker 3: With the amounting pressure that young people face to be
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  Speaker 3: socially competitive, those teens with more significant insecurities may feel
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  Speaker 3: that they will never measure up, said a psychologist in
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  Speaker 3: New York. She goes on a team may rely on
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  Speaker 3: diagnosis to lower other expectations of their abilities. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: this might be a boomer take, and I say this
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  Speaker 3: nicely to all the boomers, but that idea of like
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  Speaker 3: I in my days, we never had these things and
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  Speaker 3: so dismissing people with those diagnosts because as a person,
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  Speaker 3: just just a random person being out here in the world,
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  Speaker 3: as well as working in the social work world and
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  Speaker 3: with mental health, everyone has something like I think it
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  Speaker 3: would be incorrect to say that there is normalcy like
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  Speaker 3: some There is a diagnosis for everyone, whether it is
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  Speaker 3: by social pressure or whether it is by mental health, biology, environment,
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  Speaker 3: any of those things do come on. We know PTSD
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  Speaker 3: is a big thing, and especially a lot of us
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  Speaker 3: feeling that pressure are just from the pandemic from recession.
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  Speaker 3: All of these things have a name. There's a level
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  Speaker 3: of anxiety that everybody is going through. There's a level
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  Speaker 3: of depression that most people have gone through, especially during
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  Speaker 3: the holidays, like it's there and for teenagers who also
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  Speaker 3: watch social media on a constant or on social media
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  Speaker 3: on a constant like that level is pretty high. So
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  Speaker 3: I think that it would be disrespectful to dismiss teens
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  Speaker 3: in general saying you've been looking at too or anybody
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  Speaker 3: you've been looking at too much social media, because that's
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  Speaker 3: part of the problem to begin with, you know, when
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  Speaker 3: we go up one step back, three steps type of conversations.
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  Speaker 3: Mental health could be a part of that as well.
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  Speaker 3: And that too much diagnosis. We had that with the
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  Speaker 3: when medications were finally coming out and people started talking
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  Speaker 3: about needing medication, that being too medicated, and I think
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  Speaker 3: that's that's the true story. I've seen that where kids
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  Speaker 3: being diagnosed with the simplest things, or being forced to
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  Speaker 3: be diagnosed with the simplest things so they could sedate kids,
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  Speaker 3: which I thought was horrible. Like I saw kids on
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  Speaker 3: ADHD medication because they wouldn't go to sleep. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: what is happening? Why are we putting them on a
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  Speaker 3: prescribed medication for that? So there's definitely this level that
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  Speaker 3: I've seen, But when it comes to social media, there
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  Speaker 3: is this back and forth. It's like how much is
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  Speaker 3: too much? Is this too much information given to kids
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  Speaker 3: who are smart enough to know the system and work
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  Speaker 3: the system, and I say, what the system. I'm one
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  Speaker 3: of those people I can manipulate into a diagnosis. I've
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  Speaker 3: done it as someone who's like, but I also did
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  Speaker 3: it because I knew that there was something wrong and
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  Speaker 3: people were not listening to me, and I knew the
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  Speaker 3: links that you had to go to to get those medications.
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  Speaker 3: So there's this level of like, and it's not everybody's
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  Speaker 3: like what it is this balance because of the system
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  Speaker 3: that's been created. You have social media coming in here
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  Speaker 3: and let me help you, and that has fed into
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  Speaker 3: the TikTok algorithm, which is making TikTok money, lots and
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  Speaker 3: lots of money. That's also what a reminder is also
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  Speaker 3: those who are the disingenuous, bad players who have found
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  Speaker 3: that kind of It's been around with snake oil salesmen.
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  Speaker 3: They have found a new platform and it has worked.
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  Speaker 3: So if you can build trust and saying I know
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  Speaker 3: this is what you're going through because I'm going through
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  Speaker 3: this and this has helped me, they can sell stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, I think TikTok has done a
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  Speaker 3: great job, especially the followers and the individuals and people
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  Speaker 3: in there where they call that out when they find
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  Speaker 3: it out. It's beautiful to see. I don't want anybody
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  Speaker 3: to go down in flames. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 3: if you're feeding misinformation to people to make a profit
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  Speaker 3: and could be hurting those individuals, yeah, I hope you
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  Speaker 3: go down in flames. You know. So all of these
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  Speaker 3: things are happening, But this type of rise of teenagers
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  Speaker 3: diagnosing themselves has come as in fact they all There
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  Speaker 3: was also a trend I didn't know about this because
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  Speaker 3: I guess I'm not as cool as I thought impossible
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  Speaker 3: called undiagnosed, where they the kids who have been diagnosed
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  Speaker 3: would make jokes about how they were cured now, and
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  Speaker 3: they even use those who had eating disorders, like a
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  Speaker 3: one girl joked I have eight a mil I'm cured
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  Speaker 3: type of conversation. And it is not because they're being disrespectful.
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  Speaker 3: They're trying to make a joke, as we have often
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  Speaker 3: done for ourselves about their own condition, trying to joke
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  Speaker 3: through it, essentially, But it kind of has fed into
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  Speaker 3: this like misinformation to other teens, where it can lead
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  Speaker 3: to a bad, harmful pattern where they backtrack and say
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  Speaker 3: I can solve this myself. Now that's not always the case. Again,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: a lot of them are doing this in like a
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: tongue in cheek way, but it's coming off as m.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: This actually may be a bad trend m for other teens. Again,
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: there's also those who actually think TikTok has trivialized they're
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: actual diagnosis. So there was a writer who has been
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: diagnosed with autism who talks about that specifically of like, okay,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: everybody's joking now that because they don't like loud sounds,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: that's autism, you know, and that's the spectrum, and not
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: that it can't be once again, but to put it
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: lightly in making a joke very ablest, but trying to
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: accept it at the same time, because you see on
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: TikTok's kind of that balance of like, okay, but how
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: much have we put into this content that is now
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: trivializing those who have struggled all of their lives with
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: that diagnosed, so with actually being diagnosed and may have
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: this like be on the further spectrum of autism. We're
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: not going to talk about Cia in any way, but
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: if you kind of look at what she did with
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: that and how she did both of those things, not
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: only did she almost made it like graphically over the top,
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: where it was all the caricatures of people who have
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: autism or who are on the spectrum, to trivializing it,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: to make it excuses for others. It's kind of just
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: like m But is this partly because social media has
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: also led into that as well? And yes I have
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: been on autism, uh the spectrum TikTok and they you know,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: and ADHD TikTok and the overlapping is I mean, like
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: over the top. And then this whole conversation about being
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: neurodivergent versus uh, neurotypical, which again came to my conversation
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: of like, but there's no such thing as really anybody
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: being neurotypical if we really look down into what society
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: has kind of created in itself, whether it's the anxiety
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: or the push or the depression like and PTSD in
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: itself and the trauma in itself, Like, it's kind of
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: like does that actually exist? So I don't know. So
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: that term, the over blanketing term, is an interesting term
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: to me. Again, I know I'm not I'm not saying
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: I'm a professional any list, but just seeing what it
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: is if we come to realization that the norm is
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: actually being neurodivergent it seems, but the spectrum does change,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: and then the respect that we give those terms are
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: really important. And yeah, a lot of the articles that
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: I've seen that we've talked about talk about that terminology
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: is really, really, really important, mainly because it does differentiate
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: from a true diagnosis versus a false diagnosis. I guess
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: one of the things they talk about is high functioning.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: That is not a clinical term, which is also why
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: that's kind of been banned. And we talk about the
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: spectrum in itself. Yeah, again, a big reminder, people make
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: money off this content. They can make tons of money
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: just by having a certain amount of views and accruing
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: a lot of followers. Again, there's some amazing content creators
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: who do good things. There's a lot of bad players
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: as well. So what are some things that we can
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: do to lessen this issue? I could just get off TikTok.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I really like the dog videos. And
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: right now, following Neil the Seal Elephant seal down in Australia,
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: have you seen anything about Neil the Seal you know.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: And not on TikTok, but yes, yeah, isn't it interesting
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: when you're like, how do you find things?
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Do you find things? It's been fantastic. That's just one creator.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: I think it goes by J. C. J. A y
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Cee and I think he works with like the government
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: to try to keep Neil safe. But he's just like Neil.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Those people need to go to work, get off their lawn.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: Like it's just fantastic content. Fantastic content, okay, but some
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: other ways to look at it outside of just getting
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: off of TikTok. And this came from the University of
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Colorado's medical school. They said, look at credentials. Who is
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: giving advice or posting what's their background? And I know
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: people can put whatever they want because there's been several
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: call outs for people who said their doctors are in
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: the medical field that it turns out they're not. But
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: actually trying to see if you can research deep enough
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: like you usually those who are in the profession will
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: show you credentials because they realize how important that is,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: So look for that. Look at the data being presented.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Are they throwing a lot of words together again like
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: high functioning and all these things, like you've got to
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: talk about where this is coming from look for resources,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: ask them for resources, and then following that up realizing
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: there's no such thing as quick fixes. Saw content about
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: someone saying this is the over the counter adderall drug.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Y'all be careful, just just be careful, And they even
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: talked about how to fix or recalculate your for you page.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: So if you're following some content creators that are specialized
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: to that, if you unfollow them sometimes that'll help.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: For me.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: I don't follow those content readers, but I still get it.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: There is a way, and I think you just need
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: a Google or actually you can look it up in
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: TikTok to completely wipe off your for you algorithm and
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: it starts over again. So there is a way to
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: do that. But I've discovered as so as my partner,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: just as talking about something, that stuff will pop up. Yeah,
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: at like, it's not that we will look at it,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: we don't look it up anything, it's just that we're
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: talking about it. So that tells you we know we're
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: being watched. I'm not even that I'm not even that cool,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: stop watching me. But there's ways to do that. You
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: can also go through and report and say you're not
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: interested because I've done that oftentimes, so you can get
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: off of those types of contents. But yeah, there's this
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: whole back and forth about how well this is going
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: for our society. I'm calling this doctor TikTok because again,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: like WebMD, I start falling in that rhythm of like,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: maybe this is what's wrong with me. But at the
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: same time it may not be inaccurate, and it does
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: validate how I feel. I still think I'm not a elliptic.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Thanks tik tok.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Also a listeners, some listeners have written into you.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like all the listeners like these are
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: the diagnoses we'd give you. You may want to go
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: see a doctor, And I'm like, you're right, you're right,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: you're right. And that's just the reminder that if these
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: things are in question, it's okay to ask, don't act
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: on it, don't try to self medicate, don't do all
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: these things. Don't make it your excuse necessarily. But trying
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: to get a diagnosis going to a doctor saying these
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: are the following things, maybe not say I got this
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: off a TikTok. I have a feeling that I roll
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: will be They'll probably know anyway, they'll probably know anyway,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: but in general, just like, these are the things I'm
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: concerned with. These are the things I didn't know was normal.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Can you help me it was not normal rather in
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: your physical health, like being dissy and passing out.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's it.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I again, like you kept saying throughout this, I feel
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: like that's the balance of it because pre TikTok, I've
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: had multiple people in my life come up to me
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: and say, like the episode you did about women and
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: autism change my life because we don't talk about it
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: because it has been historically ignored or misdiagnosed.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: And so it's both.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: It's like it is good that we're talking about it
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: more and we're seeing more things, and people are like, oh, okay,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: maybe it's that. Maybe it's that I know when somebody
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: I think it was you told me like having the
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: at the back of my neck, I have a very
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: strange thing about that with shirts and hair, and it
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: is like, oh okay, so that's not like completely normal thing,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: but it is also yes you. I mean I could
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I always joke web MD as like a horoscope. I
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: could read it and be like, I probably have this
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: and it could be nothing close to what I have like,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: so it is like a it's good, it's bringing awareness,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: but it is important to know where it's coming from
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: and to do further research before you you self medicate
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: or self diagnose. So yeah, it's just both.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Well when you said that the horoscoping thing, actually there
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: was one article that talked about the horoscope effect.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Really, Yes, what is called people.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Read symptoms online or hear someone discuss the experience and
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: feel connected to it so much so that they both
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: now believe they may have the same diagnosis. The bold
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: proclamations as of like predicting it or something along the lines.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: But yeah, apparently that is a whole theory within psychologists
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: when it comes to predicting or the disorder they used
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: to TikTok.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I just feel like a lot of times we all
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: do it. But there are some symptoms that are just
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: common amongst a lot of things, right, And for me,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: one of them is my heart beats really fast. Not
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: all the time, but sometimes it's fast. Yeah, and that
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: is just a symptom amongst all things. And it could
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: just be and I fingers cross suspected is I'm anxious?
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: But if I go on to womend it's like Jesus.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: This and you would do good. Yeah, but we can't
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: negate that because women more women died than men every
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: year of a heart attack or heart related uh fatalities.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: So part of this is like being told we're being paranoid,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: but at the same time it's actually true because no
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: one listens and what which part do we listen to?
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: And it should be better safe than sorry, But we
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: as women have been so shamed yeah, to be healthy
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: that we're we are afraid to go to doctors half
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: the time.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, and it costs money and it takes time. So
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: it's like really unfortunate. Some people's healthcare is really bad. Yes,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: yes it is. But yeah, so I think it's like
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: more complicated than saying like one side is bad. I
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: don't know, right, it's just it's it's more nuanced than that, right. Yes, Well,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: thank you for bringing this to Samantha. Believe we're going
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: to talk about episode coming up about why you were
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: thinking about this, but our our calendars and flux, so
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: we'll see.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: I think this is going to be ahead of this,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: but yes, we'll.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Talk about why why you were thinking about this?
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, all right, Well in the meantime, you can contact
• 29:26
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• 29:29
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