Latest / The Play Therapy Circle / Episode 6: Non Directive vs Directive Approaches in Play Therapy
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- 0:33Hi and welcome to an episode of the Play Therapy Circle.
- 0:38I'm Kylie Ellison, a therapist, clinical supervisor and play
- 0:42therapy trainer, and I'm so grateful you're here.
- 0:46This podcast is a space for thoughtful, soulful
- 0:49conversations about child centred therapy, play based work
- 0:53and what it means to show up with presence and compassion,
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- 1:00Whether you're a seasoned play therapist, a student just
- 1:03starting out, or someone deeply passionate about working with
- 1:07children, you belong here. Welcome back to the Play Therapy
- 1:14Circle podcast. I'm your host, Kylie Ellison,
- 1:17and I am so glad you are here. Happy Thursday everyone,
- 1:23wherever you are in the world listening to this podcast today.
- 1:27Welcome. I told you guys last week I was
- 1:31going to try and make the commitment that I was going to
- 1:33record this during business hours and I wouldn't be living
- 1:37my tenants of CPT if I wasn't congruent.
- 1:40So guess what? It's really late at night.
- 1:42I'm recording this zoo. I think it's a good thing that
- 1:47at least I'm getting it done. So I'm committed to the process.
- 1:50You guys, it's just a little bit later in the evening than I had
- 1:53planned. So welcome to our Play Therapy
- 1:56Circle family. I hope you have had a wonderful
- 1:59week. I am excited as always to talk
- 2:03all things child centre play therapy.
- 2:05And so episode 6 today is tackling that question of the
- 2:08difference between directive and non directive approaches in play
- 2:13therapy. So as always, I hope that this
- 2:16is useful and helpful to you. I just need to mention I am in a
- 2:20different room today and I am also sitting up next to my dog
- 2:25Molly, who has joined us tonight.
- 2:27So if you do hear Molly in the background, she also says hi.
- 2:31OK, so we are going to take a deep dive in to this topic and,
- 2:36and I guess I want to really unpack and help us to understand
- 2:42what each of these particular approaches entail, what they
- 2:46look like in practise and I guess some of those key
- 2:49differences. What I love about the community
- 2:53we are fostering here for all of you following along in our play
- 2:57therapy circle family is that we all appreciate and value and
- 3:02recognise each other's approaches to play therapy.
- 3:05You are all welcome within the circle.
- 3:07So I think that I will be keen to unpack those different
- 3:11approaches, share a bit about what I do, but recognising that
- 3:16for you listening at home or on your walk or wherever I am
- 3:20reaching your listening ears today, that this is a topic of
- 3:25conversation that honours our own journeys and our own
- 3:30frameworks for practise. So I'm looking forward to
- 3:32sharing all of the components of both directive and non directive
- 3:36today. So let's dive in.
- 3:39So I think that where I would like to start with this
- 3:41broadcast today is starting really from the beginning in
- 3:45terms of those definitions or from those kind of core
- 3:47concepts. I think that's helpful to ground
- 3:49us in understanding I guess the difference between both.
- 3:54And I think it's something particularly for beginning play
- 3:56therapist that you might be navigating or seeking to
- 3:59understand a little bit more about in terms of that
- 4:02difference between directive and non directive play therapy.
- 4:06So when we're talking about directive play therapy, we're
- 4:09referencing or talking about when a therapist takes a more
- 4:14structured role in the playroom. So the therapist might guide
- 4:17sessions with specific activities, games, testing
- 4:22hypotheses, all different ways that they can help a child to
- 4:26practise certain skills or work through particular challenges.
- 4:30There's obviously many examples of this.
- 4:33There might be just as a kind of scenario I'm just putting out
- 4:37there. It's not based on anything in
- 4:38particular, but potentially you might have a situation where a
- 4:41therapist uses puppets to rehearse coping strategies for
- 4:45anxiety or a situation that the child might encounter that they
- 4:49want to prepare them for or providing say structured art
- 4:52activities to help with emotional expression and
- 4:54regulation. That is certainly where we see
- 4:57directive play therapy sitting. In contrast, we have non
- 5:01directive play therapy which is sometimes also referred to as
- 5:05child centred play therapy, which is obviously my area of
- 5:09practise. So we take in child centred play
- 5:11therapy a slightly different approach where we really have
- 5:15the child leading the way in terms of that agenda and
- 5:19progress and trajectory of work in the playroom.
- 5:22So we provide that environment. The toys is we have our language
- 5:28that we use to help support kids in that space, but we align with
- 5:32the idea or the intention behind the child choosing what they
- 5:36will do and how they will express themselves and work
- 5:39through their issues in the playroom.
- 5:41So we don't provide a direct structure in terms of the play.
- 5:46So both of these approaches are very important in play therapy
- 5:50and our field in Australia and overseas.
- 5:53And so I want to talk a little bit about unpacking I guess
- 5:56those distinguishing characteristics or differences
- 5:59there because I think that might be helpful too.
- 6:02So what do we know about those key differences between
- 6:05directive and non directive play therapy?
- 6:08So in directive play therapy, one way of conceptualising that
- 6:13could be that we could say that the therapist is more like a
- 6:17guide or an instructor. So these sessions often follow a
- 6:21plan with specific goals in mind.
- 6:23So there's an intention behind the work that the therapist is
- 6:26doing in that particular session or sessions in a directive
- 6:29space. In the non directive play
- 6:32therapy space, we can kind of look at the therapist being more
- 6:36that facilitator of that environment and that space for
- 6:40the child to explore and it has that less structure and
- 6:44opportunity for the child's choice in that space.
- 6:48I think another way that we could look at it in terms of
- 6:51those different characteristics is also unpacking or
- 6:55understanding the definition of goals in terms of directive
- 6:59versus non directive. So often times directive work
- 7:03might focus on building skills or reducing symptomology,
- 7:08whereas non directive play therapy looks at more of a
- 7:11holistic growth, self expression, the child leading
- 7:16that agenda of those goals. For example, in a directive
- 7:19session, you may have a therapist that might build out,
- 7:22pull out a resource such as a board game.
- 7:25I mentioned a few before in terms of other resources in the
- 7:28room with that specific goal. I guess around helping to build
- 7:33frustration tolerance, expand the window of tolerance as well
- 7:36helping with those elements of goals that the therapist can
- 7:41assist in in the playroom in that connection with the child.
- 7:44Versus I guess that non directive session or space where
- 7:48a child might choose resources in the room and engage in some
- 7:52of that symbolic play, say in the sand tray.
- 7:54And the therapist role is more around reflecting and tracking
- 7:58that work, making meaning of it of course as well, but not I
- 8:02guess, providing that structure or direction to that sand tray
- 8:05work. So that's a little bit in terms
- 8:07of those goal differences and I guess how those sessions might
- 8:11look. I think that what I would love
- 8:14to convey in this reflection of that directive and non directive
- 8:18space is that both have very useful functions in terms of the
- 8:23work that happens in the playroom and that intervention
- 8:26with children. So when we are looking at that
- 8:29more directive space, directive play therapy certainly has those
- 8:33benefits in being especially useful when there might be say a
- 8:36short time frame of intervention with the client or there is
- 8:40those specific goals that the family and connecting with them
- 8:44have set with the therapist for the child.
- 8:46It can also be reassuring for parents or organisations if
- 8:50they're seeking more of those concrete kind of measurable
- 8:53outcomes that can be obviously reported back then.
- 8:57So that is certainly the benefit of directive play therapy.
- 9:01In non directive play therapy or child centre play therapy as I
- 9:05live in it offers something different in terms of the child
- 9:10being viewed more, having autonomy I guess in the room
- 9:14leading as I talked about, for the agenda and the goals in the
- 9:18playroom. And by having that facilitated
- 9:21space in that non directive format, we rely on building that
- 9:26sense of trust and resilience and connection and safety so
- 9:31that children can unpack their world in their own way, in their
- 9:35own pace, rather than having a specific agenda.
- 9:38So I think one of the considerations for practise that
- 9:41I think is really important is to look at, I guess, the context
- 9:47of the sessions and what might be happening in terms of the
- 9:50delivery in certain settings. So whether it's in a school
- 9:53setting or a clinical setting or outreach, what that looks like
- 9:58in terms of suitability for those approaches and where
- 10:01directive might have a better suitability, I guess in that
- 10:05space as opposed to non directive.
- 10:08What I think when we tackle this topic, especially for beginning
- 10:13play therapists in the field, and I guess the message I want
- 10:16to connect with everyone listening at home is more that I
- 10:21think what's important is to have a framework that aligns
- 10:26with your approach to intervention.
- 10:28I think that we can certainly be drawn to different modalities
- 10:33such as directive or non directive play therapy.
- 10:37I know there's practitioners out there too that do an integrated
- 10:40approach of both as well. So we have amazing practitioners
- 10:44in our community in Australia who do incredible work in the
- 10:47space of play therapy. And we all have our strengths,
- 10:52our approaches that we're drawn to that sit for us.
- 10:56And so that is where we navigate our play therapy practise.
- 10:59So for me, and I guess every person is different in this
- 11:04space, every practitioner is different and I liken that to
- 11:07play therapy as well. I feel like everything at the
- 11:09end of the day relates back to child centre play therapy or
- 11:13play therapy directive or non directive guys.
- 11:15I can't help myself in integrating this modality into
- 11:19my everyday practise. So I think that when we're
- 11:21talking about that experience or that journey for play therapist,
- 11:25it's not dissimilar to experiences that children have
- 11:28in the playroom, right? Where we can have this
- 11:31exploration at the beginning of our play therapy journey, where
- 11:34we are understanding and getting to know the different modalities
- 11:39out there within our field of play therapy and what aligns and
- 11:42works best for us. What speaks to us and feels most
- 11:45comfortable for us and is something that we gravitate
- 11:48towards in terms of our practise with children.
- 11:51So I think that everyone is going to be different and I
- 11:55certainly come with my own background and experience and
- 11:58qualifications in the field where for me, child centre play
- 12:03therapy sits really well. So for those of you who don't
- 12:06know a bit about my background, I don't think I've actually
- 12:08talked about this ever in the podcast.
- 12:09Well, maybe I did, I don't know. Like I said guys, it's a little
- 12:12bit late, but I have been working in the Human Services
- 12:16industry now for over 20 years. Started out in acute mental
- 12:20health and child protection and then moved into non government,
- 12:24worked in community services, lots of different agencies
- 12:27before moving into private practise.
- 12:29So I've had a journey, I guess in terms of many families I've
- 12:32connected with over the last two decades and obviously working
- 12:37specifically as a child centre play therapist for the last 10
- 12:39years. And I think that it just for me
- 12:42connects well with my how I guess I view my role as a
- 12:47therapist and how I view that intervention and connection in
- 12:51the playroom. But that's going to be different
- 12:53for everyone and that's OK. I think we all have a space and
- 12:57an importance in this field. And so for me, I really like
- 13:02child centre play therapy in terms of that opportunity for me
- 13:07to sit more in that space of not having the answers or being the
- 13:11expert or wanting to lead. For me personally, that doesn't
- 13:15necessarily sit for me. So I like to offer that space
- 13:19when I connect with children on those principles of CCPT, of
- 13:22them allowing the child sorry to be able to tell their story in
- 13:27their way in their time. That is definitely something for
- 13:31me as a CCPT practitioner that I do need to navigate in terms of
- 13:36the things that I spoke about earlier in relation to location
- 13:39of delivery of services. So I've had clients I've seen in
- 13:42outreach in schools and now I have obviously in my clinic I've
- 13:45had for a while now. But that is a consideration for
- 13:48practise when we're working in that CPT space.
- 13:51And I guess also true funding restrictions and stakeholder
- 13:55expectations. And there's so many factors that
- 13:58go into the work that we do. And so I think you know what, I
- 14:02guess I'm keen to share and have you as a listener reflect on
- 14:06yourselves is what resonates for you in that space and what works
- 14:11for you. Because ultimately we will have
- 14:13those different training backgrounds, but we have that
- 14:16opportunity to bring our whole self to the playroom as well.
- 14:20So we were talking last week in Episode 5 about ultimately at
- 14:25the end of the day, that therapeutic relationship and the
- 14:28foundation of that connection between a therapist and a child
- 14:33is absolutely paramount over any of these kind of approaches that
- 14:37I've talked about today. So we value all of these
- 14:41approaches in being able to connect with kids.
- 14:43But ultimately at its core, we all agree that relationship and
- 14:47connection is super, super important.
- 14:49So I guess certainly when we're looking at some of those
- 14:53considerations in terms of work, when practitioners might lean
- 14:57towards directive or non directive, what might be part of
- 15:01those factors that are considered when we're applying
- 15:04the different modalities or sorry, the different approaches.
- 15:07So looking at certainly context and intention.
- 15:10So if we are looking at certainly very specific
- 15:14behavioural or skill based needs, directive methods could
- 15:18be very effective in that space and could be something to
- 15:21consider. Whereas if we have a child that
- 15:23needs space to explore their emotions, develop trust and need
- 15:27it to be at a slower pace, non directive or CCPT where it can
- 15:31be really helpful there as well. So I guess I want to encourage
- 15:35you guys to consider what are your own values and strengths as
- 15:40a practitioner? And I guess thinking about the
- 15:43clients that you're working with, in what context you feel
- 15:48that non directive or directive might be helpful.
- 15:51And also, I guess considering that location, so whether you
- 15:55are in a school setting, in a clinic, at home or in a
- 15:59community and what might be the ways that you can navigate that
- 16:03either in directive or non directive spaces as well.
- 16:06I think ultimately, as I ground out in this episode and really I
- 16:11guess, offer that opportunity for your own self reflection
- 16:15around what I guess I've shared today and what resonates for
- 16:19you. Because I think everyone's going
- 16:21to be different about where they lean.
- 16:23And certainly for me, I think that both directive and non
- 16:27directive have benefits unique to them and considerations for
- 16:32practise as well as key differences.
- 16:35And I think both approaches absolutely have their place in
- 16:38our profession. It's so important to consider
- 16:41our whole community and our whole circle family and when
- 16:44we're talking about play therapy.
- 16:46And I think for me personally, in terms of my own philosophy
- 16:49for practise, and I guess it doesn't come as any surprise
- 16:51because this is a podcast about child centre play therapy.
- 16:54But I certainly lean into that CCPT space 10 years down the
- 16:58line in my play therapy journey because it really does resonate
- 17:02for me, I guess, in terms of my view of working with kids.
- 17:06And really at its core, leaning into that Rogerian way of seeing
- 17:11the importance of that self actualization principle in the
- 17:14kids that I work with and their capacity for growth.
- 17:17So that is certainly all those things to consider.
- 17:21And the great thing is that we are always learning, right?
- 17:24And I always say that all of the children that I connect with in
- 17:27the playroom are my teachers. So they are always teaching me
- 17:30about my practise and offering that opportunity for self
- 17:33reflection along the way, which is great.
- 17:35So I would love to hear from you.
- 17:37I'd love to hear your reflections in terms of where
- 17:41you lean, what connects for you, and we'd love to have your
- 17:45feedback. So we post a message on our Play
- 17:49at Play Therapy Circle podcast Instagram page where we let you
- 17:54guys know that the episode has dropped.
- 17:56And so feel free to let us know in the comments what resonated
- 17:59for you in terms of your reflections of this topic when
- 18:02listening to this podcast today. I am so grateful that you are
- 18:06here. And look, this episode only went
- 18:09for 18 minutes this time, guys. So I'm getting much better to
- 18:13staying on time, right? That is a work in progress.
- 18:17What are we going to cover next week?
- 18:19I want to do a bit more of a dive into understanding the
- 18:22child's world through play. And I think that is so important
- 18:27when we are considering those fundamental elements of child
- 18:31centre play therapy around themes, stages of play,
- 18:36understanding how they communicate to us.
- 18:39What are some of those theories that really influence child
- 18:42centred play therapy in our assessment and analysis of
- 18:45understanding the child's world? So we've got a lot to talk about
- 18:48next week, you guys. But hey, thank you so much for
- 18:51your support. Genuinely.
- 18:53I am so grateful to everyone that has been listening, has
- 18:56been giving such great feedback. This podcast is intended as an
- 19:01opportunity to share all aspects of child centred play therapy
- 19:05and how we work and why we love what we do.
- 19:09So we've got so many topics to go, you guys.
- 19:12This is just the beginning. So thank you so much for joining
- 19:16me tonight because I'm recording this tonight you guys.
- 19:19So until next time, please take care of yourselves and each
- 19:24other and keep holding space for letting children's stories
- 19:28unfold in the playroom each and every day.
- 19:31I am grateful for each of you. I look forward to talking to you
- 19:34again soon. Thanks.
- 19:35Bye. Thank you so much for being here
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