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Happy Hour #14: WandaVision (Spoiled!) · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I don't work to
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Speaker 1: Stephma ever told you production of I Heeart Radio. It's Thursday,
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Speaker 1: so that means is time for another happy hour? Happy hour? Yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: welcome everyone, no matter what day of the week it is. Yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: as I always drink responsibly if you choose to do so.
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Speaker 1: This is really just a space where we want you
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Speaker 1: to hang out with us and try to find a
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Speaker 1: moment of relaxation. Yes, this is a special episode. Yes
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Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, because we're introducing a new sub segment
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Speaker 1: of these happy hours that I'm calling Spoiled Thursdays. Well,
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Speaker 1: and I would also like to put this in here.
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Speaker 1: This is a sub segment of a sub segment. Like
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Speaker 1: we have the Happy Hour, and then there's Any's Corner
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Speaker 1: under the Happy Hour, and then there's Spoiled Thursdays. In
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Speaker 1: that one, there's another part would be called the unhappy Hour. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So I got a lot of sub segments going on here,
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Speaker 1: and I'd like to keep you all on your toes.
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Speaker 1: But yes, and Spoiled Thursdays, we're going to talk about
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Speaker 1: more recent pieces of entertainment. So if you don't want
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Speaker 1: to be spoiled on that piece of entertainment. Wait until
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Speaker 1: you catch up and then come back to us if
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Speaker 1: you care about being spoiled, because some people like Samantha,
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Speaker 1: I like it. Don't really mind. Before we get into it, though, Samantha,
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Speaker 1: what are you sitting on this happy hour today? I
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Speaker 1: am drinking on our local brewery, Monday Night Breweries, uh
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Speaker 1: Nor Water, which is their diversion of heart Seltzer's, And
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Speaker 1: this flavor is key lime cherry. So you would hate
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Speaker 1: it because you don't like fruit. Actually, this is not
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Speaker 1: supposed to be artificial, though I like it necessarily. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they use the real fruits in such glottle jammy year.
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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go ahead open it for you. So
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Speaker 1: if you don't like listening to cans being open, skip
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Speaker 1: five seconds as feeling. I got it. Everything's fine, Yes,
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Speaker 1: it sounds like everything is going swimmingly over there. What
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Speaker 1: are you drinking? Friend? So? I wish I had recorded
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Speaker 1: myself making this because for an honor of today's episode
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Speaker 1: where we're going to talk about the Disney Plush show
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Speaker 1: wand Division, I made a drink I call the Scarlet Twitch.
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Speaker 1: Actually only am calling it that for this episode, but
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Speaker 1: I used my famous in my book Color Changing Gin. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: as you put some butterfly pea flowers in gin, and
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Speaker 1: then I put edible glitter and you let it do
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Speaker 1: its thing. And then when you put it in, if
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Speaker 1: you add any acidity like lemon or lime juice, it
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Speaker 1: changes colors. So it's some of that. And then I
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Speaker 1: put in a lot of lime and then cranberry juice
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Speaker 1: and then finished it out with sparkling water. So it's
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Speaker 1: a nice Samantha can tell you to reddish color. Yes,
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Speaker 1: it's light red h otherwise could be seen as kind
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Speaker 1: of pinking. And it's really delicious. I didn't want to
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Speaker 1: put in that much cranberry juice to make the color
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Speaker 1: that I wanted, Yes, but the idea is there. It
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Speaker 1: is there. I like it. Yes, it's tasty drink. It's
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Speaker 1: very lime, a lot of like sour tanking lime notes happening.
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Speaker 1: I love that. M hm. Alright. So yes, we are
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Speaker 1: going to talk about the Disney Plus Show one division.
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Speaker 1: So we're a bit behind the times. I feel that
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Speaker 1: feels like forever ago, and that was coming out. It
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Speaker 1: really wasn't one preface that a B. Again, we were
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Speaker 1: debating on whether or not we want to do spoiled anything,
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Speaker 1: because people do get very upset. I just read the
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Speaker 1: Reddit section of am I the Ask, and they were
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Speaker 1: talking about a dude who goes to happy hours and
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Speaker 1: such just to spoil things for people, and it's a
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Speaker 1: jerk about it, to the point that he will find
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Speaker 1: out what you're reading and then look it up in
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Speaker 1: Wikipedia and tell you about it, even though he hadn't
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Speaker 1: actually read it, because he it just brings some joy
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Speaker 1: to make other people miserable. H And so people hate
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Speaker 1: the stuff really seriously, yes, which is why we were like,
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Speaker 1: do we don't me? Yeah, but there are so many
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Speaker 1: things that we want to talk about that our current
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Speaker 1: and I do think there's been movies on the back
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Speaker 1: of my mind that I feel like there's a really
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Speaker 1: great conversation, feminist conversation behind them. And then we have
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Speaker 1: originally it was gonna be Spoiled Saturdays. So this has
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Speaker 1: been a long time making. Yes, And there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of requests for you to give your opinions on these
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Speaker 1: shows and movies. So also we do hear you, we do,
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Speaker 1: so here we go, Yes, yes we do, but we
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Speaker 1: definitely don't want to be that guy at the bar.
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Speaker 1: Don't be that coworker people spoiling happy hours. I had
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Speaker 1: a friend that did that to me with the last
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Speaker 1: Harry Potter book. But the best part was he messed
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Speaker 1: it up. So I was really upset and I cried
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Speaker 1: and cried and cried because he told me the ending.
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Speaker 1: He like fl to the last and told me the ending,
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Speaker 1: but it didn't end at the part he flipped to.
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Speaker 1: It kept right, so he was wrong. I thought you
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Speaker 1: got me jokes on him. The joke is on him. Okay.
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Speaker 1: So the very brief plot of Wanda Vision is, let's
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Speaker 1: see how to explain it's a weird show. I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: say that at the top, but basically it's dealing with grief,
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Speaker 1: and the premise is sort of you see Wanda maxim
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Speaker 1: Off are the Scarlet which she gets that name throughout
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Speaker 1: this show in a very idealistic suburban neighborhood with her
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Speaker 1: husband Vision and later her two children, and just sort
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Speaker 1: of these like increasingly weird events happening that are like, okay,
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Speaker 1: something's going on here. And then every episode is a
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Speaker 1: different decade of television kind of being represented, and usually
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Speaker 1: specific show or sitcom. So it's like I believe it
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Speaker 1: starts in the nineteen fifties, and then it goes up
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Speaker 1: to the present and this takes place after the most
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Speaker 1: recent Avengers movie, End Game. Then you get to see, yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: there's something happening outside of this like perfect Bubble or
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Speaker 1: in her head, perfect bubble. She's built herself. And there
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Speaker 1: are characters that we've seen from previous Marvel movies like Darcy,
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Speaker 1: You've got Monica Rambo. Yeah. Yeah, So that's the that's
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Speaker 1: the plot in general. And then we wanted to talk
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Speaker 1: about one of the most interesting things I thought about
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Speaker 1: this show when I was watching it. It's because it
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Speaker 1: does take place through the decades. You do get to
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Speaker 1: see these stereotypes around women on TV throughout, and it's
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Speaker 1: especially like at the beginning when I like the fifties women,
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Speaker 1: and of course, in the back of your head this
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Speaker 1: whole time, you're thinking, well, is it vision dead here? Um?
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Speaker 1: But yeah, especially right in the beginning when you would
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Speaker 1: see Wanda trying to fit into this, you know, stereotypical
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Speaker 1: fifties housewife trope, and it just felt weird to see
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Speaker 1: her trying to do that because you know her as
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Speaker 1: a superhero, as one of the Avengers, and now She's
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Speaker 1: like trying to run a magic show and keep her
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Speaker 1: powers hidden and making cakes, right, chicken, lobsters, rabbits. It's
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Speaker 1: not a minute since I've seen this show, so I
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Speaker 1: feel like you could make something up and I'd be like,
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Speaker 1: when did that happen? So the rabbit was the main
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Speaker 1: Katherine Haunt Agnes m hm her pet oh yeah, which
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Speaker 1: I think has a bigger plot point in the comics,
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Speaker 1: but it is in reference to and the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: So there is Affin Hahn. Some of the actors in
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Speaker 1: this Catherine Hahn played Agatha. You have Cat Dinning's starcy
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Speaker 1: Um Andrew w k really yeah, threw me off. Threw
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Speaker 1: me off too. You have Randall park him love Fancy,
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Speaker 1: and then yes, you do have elizaeth Olsen as Wanda
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Speaker 1: maxim Off and Paul Bettany as a vision and then
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Speaker 1: randomly Evan Peters. Yes, I feel like he was just
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Speaker 1: such the throwaway character, Like I get what they were doing,
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Speaker 1: but the climax was so antichomatic that you're like, oh, right, okay, yeah, no,
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Speaker 1: it was. I mean, it was exciting, but it was
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Speaker 1: it was It did feel kind of anti climactic to me.
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Speaker 1: That is no shade on like anybody it was super
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Speaker 1: excited about it or even the plot line, but I
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Speaker 1: just yeah, I was kind of like, oh, well, I
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Speaker 1: mean because like not to go to forward. But like
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Speaker 1: in the end, it really he really has doesn't have
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Speaker 1: a lot of significance as you would hope for. It's
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Speaker 1: almost like tongue in cheek and You're like, maybe I'm
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Speaker 1: missing something. Maybe I'm missing something because there was all
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Speaker 1: these indications of the crossover of the universes, and I
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Speaker 1: know everybody people because I had had to come to
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Speaker 1: you like every week. I think we had to sit
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Speaker 1: down about it. But I thought maybe that's what was happening.
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Speaker 1: But in the end, it was just like kind of
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Speaker 1: a throwaway character of I'm not supposed to be here.
9:25
Speaker 1: My name is so is so Ralph, I'm Ralph. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: these universes are so big, and now that Disney has
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Speaker 1: twentieth Century and they have their own X men, as
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Speaker 1: you know, I could talk about this and I confuse
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Speaker 1: everyone forever, but there's all of that going on, so
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Speaker 1: it's hard to say, like maybe it will be something
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Speaker 1: different when whoever next the sides, whatever story line is
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Speaker 1: going to go and be the cannon. I will say
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Speaker 1: there was some crossover and I don't know if it
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Speaker 1: was purposeful between Schill Agents of Child and the show.
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Speaker 1: And I really like Agents of Shield. I will say
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Speaker 1: I haven't been able to watch the last two or
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Speaker 1: three seasons because it's I kind of got, you know,
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Speaker 1: disenchanted with it, I guess the best word. But like
10:08
Speaker 1: a few things, I was like, oh that I we
10:10
Speaker 1: started watching some of the Ages of the Shield and
10:12
Speaker 1: I was like, that person, isn't this one? And this
10:14
Speaker 1: was like the because I my stupid, useless superpower is
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Speaker 1: that I can recognize people and know where they come from.
10:23
Speaker 1: But I may not know their names right, so I'll
10:27
Speaker 1: have to look it up. But I have a really
10:29
Speaker 1: good recollection of faces and what other shows they've been in. Yeah,
10:33
Speaker 1: I can attest that this is true. I'm weird on
10:36
Speaker 1: that one, but yeah, I was able to do that
10:38
Speaker 1: between the two shows, which made more sense since it
10:40
Speaker 1: is an interlocking world sort of. Yeah, and I one
10:44
Speaker 1: of the interesting pieces of news that came out recently
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Speaker 1: because we all were in part because the cast and
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Speaker 1: crew were teasing as about it, waiting for this huge cameo,
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Speaker 1: and it never really came right, and they recently said, well,
10:55
Speaker 1: we didn't want to bring a doctor strange and be
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Speaker 1: a white guy savior like coming in to say the day.
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Speaker 1: I was like, well, I didn't have to save the day,
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Speaker 1: but all right, I appreciate the point. But they were
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Speaker 1: trying to pretend Evan Peters right, because other part was
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Speaker 1: that it was just could have been like the multiverse, right. Well,
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Speaker 1: Paul Bettany was trying to tease and say, oh, I
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Speaker 1: was talking about myself. Mm hmm. I know that, but
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Speaker 1: I was like why why why? Yeah, that's interesting. I
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Speaker 1: mean I guess maybe it's the what is it white
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Speaker 1: vision at the end, Yeah, like he comes to himself
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Speaker 1: and that he comes back, and I guess he's out
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Speaker 1: there in the world and has collected all of the
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Speaker 1: original vision's memories. But that doesn't mean he's vision obviously. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I remember when that was the next day that like
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Speaker 1: weird thought experiment was trending on Twitter and I was like,
11:50
Speaker 1: what the But then I watched the episode, Okay, so weird,
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Speaker 1: Yeah I did. I mean in terms of women in
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Speaker 1: feminism and I do you think like the whole seeing
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Speaker 1: that how when we were represented over the decades and
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Speaker 1: sort of that quick succession. It was pretty jarring and
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Speaker 1: pretty like, oh wow, yeah, the nineties was still real
12:15
Speaker 1: messed up, huh all of that. And then I did
12:21
Speaker 1: I feel like we should talk about witches because that
12:25
Speaker 1: did end up being kind of the big reveal is
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Speaker 1: that Agatha slash Agnes is this witch and she was
12:33
Speaker 1: in this coven that tried to kill her or restraining
12:37
Speaker 1: her at least like restraining her powers, and then she
12:38
Speaker 1: ended up killing all of them. Um, and it has
12:41
Speaker 1: been sort of controlling this whole thing all along to
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Speaker 1: get to Scarlett, which is power are Wanda's power? And
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Speaker 1: I had so many friends I hate to be this person,
12:54
Speaker 1: but even you you we we we talked about it
12:56
Speaker 1: before this happened, where if you know the comics, unless
12:59
Speaker 1: they are taking a big diversion, you're kind of like, yes,
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Speaker 1: that's what's gonna happen. But I had some friends who
13:04
Speaker 1: didn't know the comics, and they were so disappointed because
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Speaker 1: they were like, I want to wander Aga to go
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Speaker 1: fee witches together, like the best friends. Didn't one of
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Speaker 1: the comics actually have them doing that like they were.
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Speaker 1: She was, she was a mentor for her, so that's
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Speaker 1: what I like. I'm I'm hoping that it grows bigger
13:21
Speaker 1: because Katherine Han ends up being alive. She's less power,
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Speaker 1: but she ends up being alive of course, so of
13:26
Speaker 1: course that gives her an easy pathway into this world,
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Speaker 1: I really hope, because Katherine Hahn is a treasure. She
13:32
Speaker 1: is a freaking treasure. Yeah, so is raynald Park. They
13:36
Speaker 1: are freaking treasures. They should remain in this universe forever.
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Speaker 1: So I hope that's the case that they will bring
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Speaker 1: that about. But yeah, in the comics, originally she was
13:45
Speaker 1: a mentor and not necessarily someone who was a nemesis
13:50
Speaker 1: as pain in the show. Yeah, and that's that's always
13:53
Speaker 1: been one of the hardest sales for me, Which is
13:58
Speaker 1: funny because I love like supernatural stuff and which is
14:01
Speaker 1: and all that, but it feels kind of odd in
14:03
Speaker 1: this universe, especially if you're talking about the cinematic portion
14:06
Speaker 1: of it, where even if it's like ridiculous movie magic science,
14:10
Speaker 1: it's still kind of like science. And now it's like
14:14
Speaker 1: which is right? But I mean, and that the whole
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Speaker 1: point was that she her power didn't reveal itself until
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Speaker 1: she was experimented on. Yeah, no, absolutely it's complete, like
14:25
Speaker 1: just disconnecting my brain. It makes sense for me for
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Speaker 1: some reason. I'm like, we're going back to the sing
14:33
Speaker 1: of them, which trials. So does it make it? And
14:37
Speaker 1: this is a question because and because I think it's
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Speaker 1: purposeful obviously, um and what what they are trying to do,
14:43
Speaker 1: especially with the pandemic and quarantine and the way that
14:46
Speaker 1: we're releasing things. Of course they were always intended for
14:48
Speaker 1: one division to be a little series and then moving
14:53
Speaker 1: on to the big screen. But do you think them
14:56
Speaker 1: doing that made that gap even more like apparent for you? No,
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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I really think this is just
15:04
Speaker 1: a total hang up of mine because like I was
15:07
Speaker 1: that way with Thor where I've original I didn't really
15:12
Speaker 1: care for Thor until Thor Ragnarok, which there are a
15:15
Speaker 1: lot of reasons for that is not only because of
15:18
Speaker 1: this sort of god element, but it just kind of
15:21
Speaker 1: felt like, Okay, this seems it like is an outlier.
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Speaker 1: It stands out, but it totally makes I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: like you know, a universe where anything can happen. I
15:32
Speaker 1: don't know why this is like right right, this is
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Speaker 1: the one thing that you don't believe. Everything else is fine, possible,
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Speaker 1: but this which thing, Hell, no, it's totally my own problem. Well,
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Speaker 1: and I would say for me, who who? Again? I
15:49
Speaker 1: I do things based on entertainment and not necessarily because
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Speaker 1: of love. So I would not try to insult anyone
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Speaker 1: who is into these comics and who have grown up
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Speaker 1: with these comics and who feel really hard alliances and
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Speaker 1: allegiances to specific things about the comic. I did find
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Speaker 1: it really entertaining, and I think it to me again,
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Speaker 1: like it was the whole you're wait for the special
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Speaker 1: character that was unnecessary. Why they needed to do that?
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Speaker 1: Had they been quiet, I think know, been less jarring,
16:21
Speaker 1: especially with Evan Peter showing. Don't get me wrong, I
16:23
Speaker 1: was like, what he sees quicksilver from this and trying
16:27
Speaker 1: to explain to my partner who was watching it with me,
16:29
Speaker 1: who is not as good at putting two into characters
16:33
Speaker 1: together as well as if he falls asleep in a
16:36
Speaker 1: majority of the movies we watched. But like, it still
16:40
Speaker 1: was not the impact that the a I think we're
16:42
Speaker 1: trying to tease be again, the ending just didn't match.
16:47
Speaker 1: I was like, that was it, that was the whole?
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Speaker 1: That was it? Okay? Cool? I guess but for me,
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Speaker 1: like as again a spectator of just enjoying it as entertainment,
16:58
Speaker 1: I really did enjoy it. I did have a hard
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Speaker 1: time with the first two because it was so slow
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Speaker 1: and build up. Looking back on it is not but
17:05
Speaker 1: I know that was a trend in all of Twitter.
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Speaker 1: People are like, Okay, what is happening? Is it worth
17:10
Speaker 1: continuing on? Do I need to keep watching it? Everybody's like,
17:13
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, it gets better. And then again, as
17:16
Speaker 1: you were saying, the whole plot of grief, we can all,
17:19
Speaker 1: especially this last year unfortunately, we can all understand that
17:24
Speaker 1: depth of pain and trying to work that out in
17:28
Speaker 1: ourselves and trying to work through it and what that
17:30
Speaker 1: looks like to work through it or if you can
17:32
Speaker 1: work through it. And also this whole overlying arc of
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Speaker 1: the evil dude manipulating. Yeah, and I'm talking about the
17:39
Speaker 1: director right, manipulating her grief for power and as a
17:45
Speaker 1: whole different level. Yeah, and I think it's I'm assuming
17:49
Speaker 1: it was purposeful. But to have a character you have
17:54
Speaker 1: Monica Rambo who lost her mom, and then um you
17:58
Speaker 1: have Diarcy and then Randall Jimmy running around and they're
18:04
Speaker 1: all marginalized people are minorities, and they were the ones
18:07
Speaker 1: that were like, no, she's greeting like we can't, we
18:10
Speaker 1: don't have to attack her, right, like she needs help, right,
18:13
Speaker 1: and she did. Also there's also underlying manipulation. Some white
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Speaker 1: man is doing this, Yes, yes, and I do. I
18:22
Speaker 1: didn't want to touch on that very briefly because Samantha
18:24
Speaker 1: and I watched one of the Halloween episode together and
18:27
Speaker 1: there is a line in there where the director calls
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Speaker 1: Monica sassy, and we both looked at each other like
18:33
Speaker 1: like a sassy black woman trying to get herder shut
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Speaker 1: up when she's totally right. And then I did think
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Speaker 1: it was interesting. There was a lot of conversation around
18:45
Speaker 1: the costuming in it, which I know I've talked about
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Speaker 1: a lot before, but I think it's hasn't been as resent.
18:51
Speaker 1: But like in back in Bridge and I did the
18:53
Speaker 1: feminism of Star Wars, I talked about that a lot,
18:55
Speaker 1: about the importance of costuming and um, Elizabeth Olsen was
18:59
Speaker 1: really vocal, but she wanted the original scarlet Witch outfitted
19:05
Speaker 1: there and that was in the Halloween one. But then
19:10
Speaker 1: at the end when she gets the new outfit and
19:12
Speaker 1: you see this big fight between her and Catherine Han
19:14
Speaker 1: in the air and they're so powerful. That was cool
19:16
Speaker 1: to see too. Yeah, to see these two women and
19:20
Speaker 1: and Catherine Hahn. By the way, it's also in Spider Verse,
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Speaker 1: and I kept being like, is she oh, yeah, she
19:26
Speaker 1: is this a multiverse with her? But she is Dr Octopus.
19:34
Speaker 1: I'm having a moment because of James Bond and octopusy
19:37
Speaker 1: and just sexism in that that I don't like that
19:41
Speaker 1: title in general. Whole different conversation. But yeah, I completely
19:45
Speaker 1: forgot about that. Yeah, well that's what because or even
19:49
Speaker 1: all that happened when Evan Peters was on and then
19:51
Speaker 1: Spider Man had just come out and they cast out
19:53
Speaker 1: for Malina to be in the New Spider Man with
19:55
Speaker 1: Tom Holland and they already said it's a multiverse and J. K.
19:58
Speaker 1: Simmons showed up in the Last Spider right, and so
20:03
Speaker 1: that's why it was kind of like an extra layer
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Speaker 1: of will, wait, what's going on here? Because um, are
20:09
Speaker 1: you doing a multiverse thing? Because you've already started doing that,
20:12
Speaker 1: But is Evan Peters part of that? Who's doing this?
20:15
Speaker 1: Where is it coming from? And again like, yeah, we
20:17
Speaker 1: I think people are expecting Dr Strange at one point,
20:20
Speaker 1: because that is also a part of the comics. So
20:22
Speaker 1: this is how okay, I must ask because I'm again
20:26
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a spectator. I feel very much enjoying what
20:29
Speaker 1: I'm getting. How much disappointment do you have when it
20:33
Speaker 1: doesn't follow the script of the comics and or are
20:36
Speaker 1: you glad it doesn't happen? I am actually really happy
20:39
Speaker 1: you asked that, because I have a lot of thoughts,
20:43
Speaker 1: but I try so hard not to be that person.
20:45
Speaker 1: I am not a really I'm not a big protector
20:49
Speaker 1: of it's only this and I'm going to be super
20:53
Speaker 1: disappointed because I just think that's not a fun way
20:54
Speaker 1: to be for you and for anybody else. But like,
20:57
Speaker 1: you're not gonna enjoy anything, especially in a huge, sprawling
21:00
Speaker 1: universe like Marvel, like where one character could have had
21:04
Speaker 1: fifteen different platfoints at some at some point. So I
21:07
Speaker 1: don't usually get mad at that as long as and
21:11
Speaker 1: this can get really tricky Marvel if I feel like
21:13
Speaker 1: they get really far off what the heart of the
21:16
Speaker 1: character is, that's what bothers me. Like if if I
21:20
Speaker 1: can convince myself, I think, you know, maybe this isn't
21:22
Speaker 1: what I happened. The comic books. But I can see
21:24
Speaker 1: this character in their motivation doing this in this situation,
21:28
Speaker 1: So I'm not really um protective. And there are certain
21:35
Speaker 1: instances like, um, I think the movies have done this
21:38
Speaker 1: really well, or they'll put in an easter egg where
21:42
Speaker 1: maybe they didn't go that route that that the comics did,
21:46
Speaker 1: but they'll make it like a little wink of like
21:48
Speaker 1: for those in the know though, you know. And one
21:50
Speaker 1: example of that was the Captain America when he leaned
21:53
Speaker 1: in and said, hell Hydra in the elevator and in game,
21:56
Speaker 1: because in the comps he does get all stit up
22:00
Speaker 1: with Hydra. Very unpopular plotline though some type of way,
22:07
Speaker 1: and people would feel some type of way. I think
22:09
Speaker 1: if they actually put that on film, oh absolutely, I mean,
22:13
Speaker 1: but that is the interesting thing, and we are we
22:14
Speaker 1: are planning on doing um Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
22:18
Speaker 1: But that is the interesting thing kind of about that
22:20
Speaker 1: whole um show. But one thing I noticed about this
22:24
Speaker 1: is there's a part of you that almost gets sad
22:27
Speaker 1: sometimes that I know how things end and I don't
22:31
Speaker 1: want I'm happy to see it play out and hear
22:35
Speaker 1: other people's excitement. But I think that's one of the
22:38
Speaker 1: reasons why I was talking to you about this, Samantha,
22:42
Speaker 1: where I felt like the show is overrated, and I
22:45
Speaker 1: think part of that is I didn't have that same
22:49
Speaker 1: I was kind of like, Yep, this is how it goes,
22:51
Speaker 1: and they did they did things differently to like they
22:53
Speaker 1: were definitely surprises, but in general, I was like, yeah,
22:56
Speaker 1: that's it. But also I'm starting to think that my
22:58
Speaker 1: overrated is other people's normal, just because I'm super passionate
23:03
Speaker 1: about things. Yeah, So I think, like, especially when it
23:08
Speaker 1: comes to like Marvel and Star Wars, I'm like up
23:10
Speaker 1: here all the time, and I'm indicating like the ceiling
23:13
Speaker 1: that if I'm not like up there, then I think
23:15
Speaker 1: it's overrated. But I still like it. I mean, there's
23:18
Speaker 1: a reason why people want your opinions on this because
23:21
Speaker 1: they know you know right for sure, Yeah, And I
23:26
Speaker 1: know I really think I like it, And I think
23:27
Speaker 1: it's one of those things like maybe even if I
23:30
Speaker 1: watched it again and I didn't have because that's another
23:33
Speaker 1: issue of when you have these expectations of how it's
23:35
Speaker 1: going to play out because you have read stuff, comics
23:38
Speaker 1: or whatever, then you can get in your head about that.
23:41
Speaker 1: And I think they can distract you. Oh yeah. In general,
23:44
Speaker 1: I'm not protective. I think it's good to try new
23:49
Speaker 1: things as long as you don't go like way away
23:51
Speaker 1: from the heart of it. And I'm right yeah and
23:55
Speaker 1: again yeah, I come from a person who only has
23:58
Speaker 1: watched the movies in story, and I've asked you about
24:02
Speaker 1: a few things, and I will read about it, like
24:04
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes or other things that you should notice,
24:07
Speaker 1: or here are the easter eggs? Love that, Love that,
24:11
Speaker 1: But I don't know so for me, Like again, I
24:13
Speaker 1: think Age of Ultron was one of the least liked
24:16
Speaker 1: movies of all time. I liked it, and I'm like,
24:20
Speaker 1: maybe it's because I don't quite grasp the level or
24:24
Speaker 1: the depth or how far they fell off of what
24:27
Speaker 1: was being done at that point in time. I don't know.
24:31
Speaker 1: Maybe it was a weird accent. I do have the
24:33
Speaker 1: thing about that, like why do they have this accent?
24:35
Speaker 1: What is this accent? Why does it keep going away?
24:38
Speaker 1: Which again I do love that they addressed that in London,
24:41
Speaker 1: like what is with the stupid accent? Uh? And I
24:45
Speaker 1: appreciate that, but like I enjoy it for what it
24:49
Speaker 1: is and move on. Of course, I'm also a big
24:50
Speaker 1: James Spader fan. I really hope he's not a creep.
24:53
Speaker 1: I haven't done anything yet about him being a creepe,
24:55
Speaker 1: so for now, i'll say that with that caveat. So
24:59
Speaker 1: I enjoyed him playing Ultron as a sarcastic, you know,
25:04
Speaker 1: nihilistic self in general, So I love that in itself.
25:09
Speaker 1: But yeah, again, I come from a complete review just
25:12
Speaker 1: entertained me, and I'm just gonna watch it and moving on. Yeah. Yeah,
25:17
Speaker 1: And I do think wand Division tried something really interesting,
25:21
Speaker 1: like for a format of a show to be pretty weird,
25:25
Speaker 1: where it's yeah, I got this kind of the Office
25:28
Speaker 1: themed episode and it's got sort of a full house
25:30
Speaker 1: and Brady Bunch themed episode, and I think that was
25:33
Speaker 1: really fun. And I think for a lot of people
25:35
Speaker 1: that was really really fun of like, oh yeah, I
25:37
Speaker 1: remember that house or you know, from my childhood. And
25:41
Speaker 1: I think that was Again, this is such a huge
25:44
Speaker 1: profitable Disney owned universe, and I there's a fear that
25:49
Speaker 1: Disney will be like, you can't try anything interesting anymore.
25:52
Speaker 1: So I think that was really cool that they did that,
25:55
Speaker 1: and it was really interesting, and I think it worked
25:57
Speaker 1: really well and people really liked it. And so far
26:00
Speaker 1: Disney has been pretty willing for those experiments. But I
26:04
Speaker 1: remember when it first came out, people like, this is weird. Yeah,
26:08
Speaker 1: I definitely like this is slow, what's happening? Yeah, because
26:11
Speaker 1: it was so different than Marvel One, but a lot
26:14
Speaker 1: of other shows in general. Right. I think it was
26:18
Speaker 1: also like the fact that it was satirical in a
26:21
Speaker 1: way that you know, when are we getting to the point? Yeah, exactly,
26:25
Speaker 1: And two episodes seemed like a long time. Yeah, yeah
26:29
Speaker 1: for sure. And then one of one other thing I
26:32
Speaker 1: really wanted to touch on is we won't go into
26:34
Speaker 1: depth about this because we talked about at a toime,
26:36
Speaker 1: but motherhood was a big part of this show too,
26:38
Speaker 1: Wanda's protective instincts and her desire for these children and
26:43
Speaker 1: to protect these children. So that's something we see again.
26:46
Speaker 1: I feel like one of the areas the show fell
26:48
Speaker 1: down for me, which again I really liked it, but
26:50
Speaker 1: I think I don't care about vision. I really didn't
26:54
Speaker 1: care about her kids. Oh No, that's just like the
27:00
Speaker 1: It wasn't there like the emotional And I do think
27:02
Speaker 1: because I was talking to someone else about this recently,
27:04
Speaker 1: and I do think it's a tough sell to suddenly
27:07
Speaker 1: be in one movie like, Okay, Wanda and Envision are
27:09
Speaker 1: together and there in love, like deeply in love, and
27:11
Speaker 1: you haven't seen any of that in this It's like, oh,
27:14
Speaker 1: here are kids and we're in love with them, and
27:17
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, what right, You're right. I felt like
27:21
Speaker 1: the original push for them to be together felt so
27:24
Speaker 1: disingenuous it was jarring. I think it's come to the
27:27
Speaker 1: point that we all have accepted it. We're like, Okay,
27:29
Speaker 1: we'll just keep going with that. But isn't the next
27:32
Speaker 1: plot point for Wanda these children. They're a big part
27:35
Speaker 1: of her story. And that was really funny when um,
27:39
Speaker 1: one of my friends was like, what did she say? Like,
27:44
Speaker 1: no way, is she's just gonna randomly get pregnant and
27:46
Speaker 1: give birth to two children? Right, I just didn't say
27:49
Speaker 1: anything like yeah, that was ridiculous, I will say that.
27:53
Speaker 1: But again, a willing suspicion of disbelief throughout all these movies.
27:57
Speaker 1: Oh sure, sure, I got no problem with that. But
28:00
Speaker 1: and I think like all the actors just did great.
28:02
Speaker 1: There's no shade to any of them. And Elizabeth Olsen
28:07
Speaker 1: did a really great job of selling like maybe I
28:09
Speaker 1: don't care so much about Vision and their relationship. But
28:12
Speaker 1: I believe that she does, and she's grieving and it's
28:14
Speaker 1: very sad, and like when her kids all disappeared, very
28:17
Speaker 1: very sad. But that was one of the areas to
28:20
Speaker 1: because the whole premise of the show was kind of
28:22
Speaker 1: her grief about Vision and her relationship with Vision. So
28:25
Speaker 1: if I wasn't buying into that, I was kind of like,
28:29
Speaker 1: I'm not feeling it as emotionally as I think I
28:31
Speaker 1: should be feeling it, right. I mean, again, we talked
28:34
Speaker 1: about this even Star Wars. There's a lot of times
28:37
Speaker 1: we're like, you just lost someone significant in your life,
28:39
Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm sad moving on to see someone
28:45
Speaker 1: who actually sits back and be like, no, this is
28:47
Speaker 1: tragic and affects how I think and how I feel
28:51
Speaker 1: and how I impact others. Again, we didn't talk about
28:54
Speaker 1: the trauma, and when you talk about that, like, I
28:55
Speaker 1: know that's men of Twitter to thing about what about
28:57
Speaker 1: the towns people justice? For sure, I know that's a
29:02
Speaker 1: great point because I feel like that's something not to
29:06
Speaker 1: talk about this too much. But as someone who does
29:08
Speaker 1: read like books or comics or sort of this outside entertainment,
29:12
Speaker 1: like I read the whole book about Luke Skyward Walker's
29:15
Speaker 1: trauma PTSD. That's not in the movies, but it exists,
29:19
Speaker 1: and like the comics and books, and the same is
29:21
Speaker 1: true with Marvel for sure, Like that stuff isn't necessarily
29:26
Speaker 1: made for a twenty to thirty minute show were show
29:29
Speaker 1: on Disney Plus, I totally get it, but I do
29:31
Speaker 1: think that was one of my That was one of
29:33
Speaker 1: the things that just didn't work for me. And then
29:37
Speaker 1: just to wrap it up, I the ending where um
29:42
Speaker 1: Wanta learns about her magic, has this grieving moment, let's
29:47
Speaker 1: go accepts what's happened or do you know at least
29:51
Speaker 1: isn't having a false perfect suburban town anymore, and she goes,
29:57
Speaker 1: and at least from the end credit scene, it seems
29:59
Speaker 1: to indicate she's really taking control of her own destiny
30:02
Speaker 1: and she's going to learn all about her powers and
30:04
Speaker 1: how to control them. And that was one of the
30:06
Speaker 1: biggest issues some people had with endgame. Well not one
30:09
Speaker 1: of the biggest, but she's technically like, if not the
30:13
Speaker 1: most powerful Avengers. She's up there, and um so, I
30:17
Speaker 1: feel like this is a real jumping off point for
30:20
Speaker 1: her characters. We'll see where it goes well that has
30:25
Speaker 1: been On the first episode of Spoiled Thursdays, we started
30:30
Speaker 1: off with and we don't really have a structure to this,
30:32
Speaker 1: which is gonna talk and I was like, oh, it's
30:33
Speaker 1: gonna be a thirty minute episode. Here we go. We're
30:35
Speaker 1: absolutely correct and we could keep going. But alas, if
30:41
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30:45
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