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Ken Rosenthal: Skubal frontrunners, MLB Draft slashing proposal + Trade thoughts for Braves, Blue Jays, M’s, Yanks, Pirates · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's the inside scoop with that f T senior
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Speaker 1: insider Ken Rosenthal, and you can crack open his notes,
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Speaker 1: call him in the Athletic.
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Speaker 2: There's a fresh one for you to check out.
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Speaker 1: So Ken, let's start with the headliner here, the guy
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Speaker 1: that we're going to talk about every day up to
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Speaker 1: the trade deadline unless the Tigers suddenly win twenty in
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Speaker 1: a row, Trek Scougle. So the latest wrinkle here I
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Speaker 1: think that I'm trying to understand is who the front
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Speaker 1: runners can be. Can you explain who might be the
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Speaker 1: front runners in this case based on their standings?
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Speaker 3: Yes. What I wrote about today, Scott was just the
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Speaker 3: idea that if you think you have a chance at
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Speaker 3: winning the World Series, you're going to be more likely
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Speaker 3: to perhaps part with the prospects necessary and of course
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Speaker 3: take on the financial burden necessary to get Schooble. So
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Speaker 3: this stems from a conversation Jed Hoyer, club's president baseball operations,
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Speaker 3: had with reporters a couple of weeks ago, and he
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Speaker 3: said that teams that are in position to get the
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Speaker 3: buy skip the first round, get the weaker opponent in
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Speaker 3: the next round because that team has already played are
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Speaker 3: really the best suited to make splashes for rentals at
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Speaker 3: the deadline. That's paraphrasing what he said, but that was
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Speaker 3: the gist of it, and that's true. Obviously, if you
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Speaker 3: think you have a good chance of winning the World Series,
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Speaker 3: you're going to be more inclined than a team that says, say,
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Speaker 3: is on the fringes of the wildcard race and we
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Speaker 3: just want to get into the playoffs because the road
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Speaker 3: it's that much more difficult. So who are the teams
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Speaker 3: we're talking about? The teams currently holding the buys are
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Speaker 3: the Dodgers and Braves. In the National League, Brewers are
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Speaker 3: right there with the Braves, and then in the American
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Speaker 3: League gets the Yankees and the Al Central leader, which
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Speaker 3: right now is both the White Sox and Guardians. Doesn't
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Speaker 3: mean those teams will stay there, of course, but that's
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Speaker 3: the kind of thing that makes sense to me that
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Speaker 3: if you think you have a chance of winning the
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Speaker 3: World Series, yes, then you part with the prospects and
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Speaker 3: you part with the money that is necessary to do
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Speaker 3: this deal. You might do it anyway. You might for
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Speaker 3: some reason be in a particular position where maybe you
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Speaker 3: haven't made the playoffs in a long time. Maybe you
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Speaker 3: have a great system where you can pull this off
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Speaker 3: and not dent it that badly. There are all kinds
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Speaker 3: of factors that are evolved, but that was the gist
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Speaker 3: of it.
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Speaker 4: Let me ask you this, so a trade gets pulled off,
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Speaker 4: what do you think from some of these teams, what
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Speaker 4: do you think the Tigers are going to be looking for?
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Speaker 2: Is it?
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Speaker 4: You know three prospects and you know picks. I mean,
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Speaker 4: what do you think the boatload could be for a
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Speaker 4: guy like this if you had a thought right now
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Speaker 4: in your mind.
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Speaker 3: Tod It's a really interesting question because he is a rental,
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Speaker 3: and he is a rental who will cost almost ten
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Speaker 3: million at the deadline in remaining salary. That is a
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Speaker 3: high price right there, that amount of money for two
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Speaker 3: months maybe three of a pitcher. And then you add that,
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Speaker 3: of course to the prospect hall. And yes, they'll be
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Speaker 3: looking for top one hundred, There's no question about it.
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Speaker 3: It's Tarek Scooble. They're gonna want a lot and maybe
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Speaker 3: they'll be realistic, maybe they won't. They probably will be
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Speaker 3: less realistic earlier than they will later. But it is
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Speaker 3: a mammoth undertaking. Now I'm giving you the negatives, all
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Speaker 3: the money you have to spend, the prospects you have
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Speaker 3: to give up. You are getting Trek Scooble, and presuming
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Speaker 3: he is healthy and he pitches again today or tonight,
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Speaker 3: then you're getting one of the top three or four
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Speaker 3: pitchers in the sport. So there's going to be incentive.
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Speaker 3: Some team is going to do this. We just don't
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Speaker 3: know who yet.
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Speaker 5: You're talking about what jeded Hoyer was alluding to, basically
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Speaker 5: about you know, you know you just don't want him
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Speaker 5: for one start? Is that the permeated like thought throughout
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Speaker 5: the league that if we only have one shot, we
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Speaker 5: don't want to really push all in because the fans
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Speaker 5: don't want that from our team, do they? Because we're
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Speaker 5: all about the fans.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's face it, you trade for schoobl you do
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Speaker 3: what I just said, You trade those prospects and you
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Speaker 3: pay him that money. Those are opportunity costs that you
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Speaker 3: could devote elsewhere. And if you're going to trade for
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Speaker 3: Schooble and possibly even miss the playoffs, you're really taking
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Speaker 3: a chance. If you're going to trade for him, and
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Speaker 3: you're the kind of team that maybe sneaks in or
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Speaker 3: gets in even pretty well, but it's not really kind
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Speaker 3: of ready to go far in the playoffs. We know
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Speaker 3: who those kinds of teams generally are the things gonna
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Speaker 3: happen that surprise us. Then maybe you don't do it either.
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Speaker 3: So that's why I wrote what I did that if
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Speaker 3: you're a team with World Series aspirations and realistic World
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Speaker 3: Series possibilities, you're going to be more inclined to make
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Speaker 3: this final push for a guy who can clearly put
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Speaker 3: you over the top.
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Speaker 5: I would say, look at the Tigers and look at
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Speaker 5: their offense. They almost made the World Series and they
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Speaker 5: had Trek scouble. But I hear what you're saying, Ken,
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Speaker 5: I get it, But I want teams to all of them,
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Speaker 5: to push all in and everybody because I know the
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Speaker 5: players are pushing one team.
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Speaker 3: Tigers haven't even gotten to an ALCS with schoobl so yes,
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Speaker 3: they've had good runs, but that's not far enough. Okay, Okay,
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Speaker 3: I get it.
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Speaker 5: I get it, and I'm too biased to the player
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Speaker 5: who is pushing all in every single day. But I
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Speaker 5: understand the long term for teams. A team that is
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Speaker 5: pushed all in and has pushed all in for a
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Speaker 5: few years with some long term contracts to their players.
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Speaker 5: Are the Braves what is their outlook looking like? I
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Speaker 5: get it they had a little, tiny, little move just
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Speaker 5: here last night, But what does that outlook for them
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Speaker 5: need to look like? And what do you feel like
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Speaker 5: alex Anthopolis's history of being a GM there has been
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Speaker 5: to make those moves good?
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Speaker 3: Question, Eric, and I'll answer it in a couple of
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Speaker 3: different ways. First, I believe I said on Fair Territory
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Speaker 3: maybe a week or so ago, that the Brave system
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Speaker 3: is not rated very highly. That is true. It is
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Speaker 3: not rated very highly by the outside publications, by fangrafts,
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Speaker 3: by MLB dot com, by the Athletic. A fan, though,
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Speaker 3: jumped me into comments this often happens and said, u
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Speaker 3: uh uh, our system is really good right now. Now
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Speaker 3: that's a fan talking. So I actually thought, well, you
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Speaker 3: know what, maybe I should check see what the Braves
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Speaker 3: think of their own guys. Now, teams always think their
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Speaker 3: systems are better than the outside might believe. That's fine,
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Speaker 3: that's the way it should be. But the Braves generally
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Speaker 3: do believe that their system is on the rise. Some
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Speaker 3: of the people think it might even be a top
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Speaker 3: ten system right now, So they would seemingly have enough
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Speaker 3: to get Trek Scoogle. That's number one. That was the
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Speaker 3: first question and the first question for every team that
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Speaker 3: has to be answered, do you have enough? Can you
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Speaker 3: make this kind of deal? Okay? Now, Alex Anthopolis as
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Speaker 3: the present based operations for the Atlanta Braves, has not
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Speaker 3: generally made huge moves for rentals, expensive rentals. Remember the
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Speaker 3: year they won, he got all kinds of rentals and
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Speaker 3: they were kind of piecemeal guys, so Laire and Jack
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Speaker 3: Peterson coming from all over the place. He hasn't done
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Speaker 3: this kind of move. He did do it though in Toronto,
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Speaker 3: if you remember, they traded for David Price, and that
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Speaker 3: was a big move at the time, and that was
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Speaker 3: something that they did under Alexanthropolis. So to suggest that
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Speaker 3: he wouldn't do this, he probably wouldn't necessarily be the
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Speaker 3: most inclined of the teams that we mentioned, But I
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Speaker 3: don't know that you can rule him out simply because
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Speaker 3: their system is stronger and they are a team that
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Speaker 3: has legitimate World Series aspirations with a rotation that beyond
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Speaker 5: All right, well then that is what makes me really
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Speaker 5: intrigued about the Braves. They have young guys on their
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Speaker 5: big league team, on their big league roster that are
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Speaker 5: extended for a long time. You talk about the Mets
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Speaker 5: and possibly Freddy Peralta. The Mets aren't like the Tigers
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Speaker 5: where they get rid of Schooble. All right, we got
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Speaker 5: to get prospects and whatever. Is it possible that the
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Speaker 5: Braves trade from their big league controlled roster to add
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Speaker 5: a Freddie Peralta to the Mets, who are like, hey,
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Speaker 5: we want to win in the next three years, We'll
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Speaker 5: take a I mean Alby's is now a free agent,
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Speaker 5: but like somebody like an Austin Riley will take a
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Speaker 5: player that's controlled, which is what David Sterns likes. Or
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Speaker 5: do you think the Braves keep their entire roster intact
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Speaker 5: that way and just go to the minor leagues.
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Speaker 3: Austin Riley's on a big contract and he's been in decline,
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Speaker 3: So I don't know if that's the best example, but
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Speaker 3: could something along those lines happen? Yes, except for this
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Speaker 3: Eric that Peralta is still a rental, and teams generally
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Speaker 3: like giving up years of proving control for a rental.
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Speaker 3: We'll give up prospects and they'll kind of do it reluctantly.
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Speaker 3: But to think that they would give up on it,
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Speaker 3: don't know, name a Brave. Let's just use Austin Rodley
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Speaker 3: as an example. It would clear the contract for the
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Speaker 3: Braves great, but I don't know that that's something that
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Speaker 3: the Mets would want to do. I'm not sure that
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Speaker 3: it's something the Braves would want to do either. It's
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Speaker 3: not the kind of trade we usually see. Not to
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Speaker 3: say that it can't happen because the one thing I
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Speaker 3: always say at the deadline. Haven't said it this year
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Speaker 3: because we're still six weeks away. But things will happen
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Speaker 3: at the deadline that will make our head spin that
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Speaker 3: will completely unanticipated. So I'm not going to rule it out.
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Speaker 3: It's just generally not the way these things go.
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Speaker 4: Understood, understood totally. Now, I want to talk about the
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Speaker 4: Blue Jays a little bit. I want you to dive
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Speaker 4: deep into this team, like I do you think this team,
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Speaker 4: for one, has an opportunity to get going, to get
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Speaker 4: back in his playoff picture, to make a run. And
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Speaker 4: for two, do you see them not being afraid to
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Speaker 4: go out and get a little more offense As we
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Speaker 4: move forward here, Todd.
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Speaker 3: I definitely see them as a team that can go
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Speaker 3: in and run. And my understanding is they're telling teams,
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Speaker 3: even though they're over the highest luxury tax threshold, that
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Speaker 3: they're willing to still take on money. So if that's
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Speaker 3: the case, okay, how do you take this team, which
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Speaker 3: has been really mediocre so far and make it better.
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Speaker 3: The first thing that has to happen is vlad Junior's
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Speaker 3: got to start hitting for power again. Had the home
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Speaker 3: run at Fenway yesterday. I know the wind was blown out,
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Speaker 3: but it was a home run, So that's number one.
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Speaker 3: When I asked yesterday what their biggest needs were talk
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Speaker 3: to a few people, I was told a high contact hitter,
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Speaker 3: kind of someone who would fit into their system right
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Speaker 3: and obviously a right handed hitting outfielder. Their outfield is
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Speaker 3: pretty much all left handed, excluding Springer, who really is
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Speaker 3: more of a DH at this point, so those are
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Speaker 3: two editions they could make on the offensive side. They also,
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Speaker 3: much to the surprise of everyone, although I guess we
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Speaker 3: shouldn't be surprised whenever something like this happens, they need
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Speaker 3: rotation help. They started the year with like seven or
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Speaker 3: eight and now they're down, so a rotation piece would
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Speaker 3: be helpful. And their bullpen is kind of worn out,
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Speaker 3: so they're gonna need bullpen help as well. But because
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Speaker 3: they got a taste of it last year, it's my
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Speaker 3: expectation that they're gonna want to keep going and keep
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Speaker 3: trying to win with this group.
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Speaker 5: All right, let's go across to the other side of
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Speaker 5: the coast and go to the Mariners.
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Speaker 2: Are you going to start.
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Speaker 5: Saying everybody wants bullpen help and a right handed platoon bat,
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Speaker 5: because I feel like if the Mariners can add that
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Speaker 5: with Canzone and Rally that it would take place of
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Speaker 5: what Reschneider was supposed to be brought in to do.
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Speaker 3: Eric, we are going to say that every team does
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Speaker 3: need bullpen help at every team seemingly is looking for
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Speaker 3: right handed hitting, and the Mariners are a classic case. Now,
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Speaker 3: Muno's has been up and down. His stuff's good, but
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Speaker 3: his results haven't been great. They could use one more
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Speaker 3: high leverage reliever who couldn't and you mentioned it not hit.
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Speaker 3: Robles is not a great offensive player, so a right
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Speaker 3: handed platoon type would be helpful to them, because, as
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Speaker 3: you said, Raley and Canzone are doing it from the
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Speaker 3: left side. They believe they can win, and they are
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Speaker 3: a team that right now is going to a piggyback
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Speaker 3: rotation because they've got six starters they want to keep
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Speaker 3: stretched out. They also have a guy dominating doublea Kate Anderson,
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Speaker 3: number three pick in the draft last year, who effectively
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Speaker 3: could be their seventh starter. So they have the pitching,
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Speaker 3: or at least the starting pitching, they just need to
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Speaker 3: round out the rest of the team. And also, most
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Speaker 3: importantly for the Mariners right now, they need to get healthy.
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Speaker 3: They've had guys going in and out of the lineup
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Speaker 3: for weeks now, and Ros Rain is on the il.
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Speaker 3: They're waiting to get Brandon Donovan back, so that's got
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Speaker 3: to be paramount for them as well. And if they
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Speaker 3: do have at the deadline, and again we're six weeks away,
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Speaker 3: if they have injuries to certain players that they need
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Speaker 3: to effectively replace, that's going to drive what they do
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Speaker 3: as well.
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Speaker 4: So we talked, we had a conversation about trading draft picks,
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Speaker 4: first round picks.
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Speaker 2: It was good. I thought it was intriguing.
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Speaker 4: But now, another team that you've talked about and we've
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Speaker 4: all talked about is the Pittsburgh Pirates. They have a
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Speaker 4: compensation pick, and from what you're hearing down the road,
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Speaker 4: they're not afraid to trade that thirty fourth pick to
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Speaker 4: get something special or is that nonsense?
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Speaker 3: No, that's true, Todd, and that ex exactly what I'm hearing.
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Speaker 3: And we've seen this kind of trade the last couple
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Speaker 3: of deadlines, where teams will trade their compick for anything
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Speaker 3: that they might desire. And it's happened a couple of
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Speaker 3: times with relievers. It's how the Royals got Hunter Harvey
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Speaker 3: two years ago, It's how the Rays got Brian Baker
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Speaker 3: last year. So it would not shock me at all
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Speaker 3: to see the Pirates make this kind of deal. Follow
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Speaker 3: this kind of framework doesn't have to be for a reliever.
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Speaker 3: They traded for one last night, Joey Barr to Atlanta,
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Speaker 3: Hunter Stratton going back to pitts Burg. But they're looking
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Speaker 3: for better than that, And yes, the pick could come
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Speaker 3: into play for anything that they might be looking for.
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Speaker 3: It would be all on the pitching side, and I
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Speaker 3: would expect bullpen as their priority.
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Speaker 5: When you were talking to the Phillies who all wanted
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Speaker 5: to chime in on the whole, Miseraski and his meteoric
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Speaker 5: rise to what he's doing this year? Was it Don
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Speaker 5: Mattingly Wheeler And what were the unique comments that they
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Speaker 5: made about what they're seeing from the MIS?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I really liked hearing about this and writing about
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Speaker 3: it today. So last Friday night, MIS had that incredible game, right,
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Speaker 3: fifteen strikeouts, one hit, ninety five pitch, complete game shut out,
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Speaker 3: one of the best games any of us will ever
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Speaker 3: see pitched. It's against the Phillies. And in the middle
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Speaker 3: of the game, Manningly turns to Wheeler and says, you
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Speaker 3: know what this is like what it used to be
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Speaker 3: when you guys would come into Miami with you and
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Speaker 3: de Gram and dominate us. Manningly was the manager of
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Speaker 3: the Marlins for quite some time, and Wheeler effectively or
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Speaker 3: essentially said, I wish my body moved like that when
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Speaker 3: I was that age. I wish I had what this
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Speaker 3: kid has, that fluidity. And even now Wheeler says he
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Speaker 3: sometimes watches Missrowski into ground for that matter, because at
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Speaker 3: times he believes he can get too robotic in his delivery.
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Speaker 3: And those two pictures in particular, they have this unique
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Speaker 3: flow to them and flow to their deliveries, and it
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Speaker 3: works obviously extremely well. And Wheeler also mentioned Miserowski's extension,
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Speaker 3: which is ridiculous. It's the longest extension really of any
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Speaker 3: picture in the Majors. He is six foot seven. He
16:42
Speaker 3: gets out there seven feet six inches down the mound,
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Speaker 3: so that one oh one when it's one oh one
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Speaker 3: plays up to maybe one oh three, and vice versa,
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Speaker 3: and all these different equations makes it that much more
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Speaker 3: difficult for the hitter. Now, Wheeler has great extension two.
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Speaker 3: He's like top five percent of the league, and he
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Speaker 3: noticed obviously this is something that helps the miz as well.
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Speaker 3: But the real takeaway was really saying, I wish I'd
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Speaker 3: moved like that when I was that age.
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Speaker 2: for a second.
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Speaker 4: You know a lot of talks about their bullpen, you know,
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Speaker 4: world if they're going to be a World Series team,
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Speaker 4: this bullpen's got to be better.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, understandable. I get that. We have.
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Speaker 4: There's there's some injuries. Aaron Judge is not there. You know,
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Speaker 4: guys are just getting back off the injuries. What do
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Speaker 4: you think too, For the Yankees to get over that
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Speaker 4: hump to win a World Series, they're gonna need at
18:36
Speaker 4: the trade down, and we talked about school boll Don't
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Speaker 4: get me wrong, that would be great, But what do
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Speaker 4: you think their biggest need is as they move forward
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Speaker 4: into the six weeks?
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Speaker 3: Right hand, the hitting catcher. We've all talked about that.
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Speaker 3: There's no question that is something that they are seeking.
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Speaker 3: You've heard Ryan Jeffers name a lot. He's with the Twins.
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Speaker 3: He's going to be healthy soon. He would be ideal. Bullpen,
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Speaker 3: as you mentioned, Todd might be the even bigger priority
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Speaker 3: because they've got to get it straight. Their bullpen is
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Speaker 3: not bad and there's talent there, but they need more now.
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Speaker 3: The one thing outside of a tray they might do
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Speaker 3: is promote one of their top pitching prospects, Carlos le Grande,
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Speaker 3: who is pitching in relief in Triple A right now.
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Speaker 3: Le Grandjey is a guy with one of these amazing arms,
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Speaker 3: and they believe that he could come up and impact
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Speaker 3: their bullpen in a big way. Maybe could he even
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Speaker 3: be what Frankie Rodriguez was to the Angels in two
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Speaker 3: thousand and two, David Price was to the Rays in
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Speaker 3: two thousand and eight. The guy who comes up out
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Speaker 3: of nowhere makes his major League debut when it's suddenly
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Speaker 3: pitching in the late innings. That's probably a stretch, but
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Speaker 3: they could dream and certainly he has that kind of ability.
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Speaker 2: Oh.
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Speaker 1: I'm a big believer that if you've got elite arm
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Speaker 1: talent and teams haven't seen you, you can make an
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Speaker 1: even bigger impact than the playoffs. We saw that from
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Speaker 1: Treya Savage last year. That's definitely a thing, So I'm
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Speaker 1: into it. I'll follow that storyline. Ken last one for you,
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Speaker 1: we'll take a different turn here. Your thoughts on anything
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Speaker 1: that was put out there with the latest CBA proposal,
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Speaker 1: Because we can talk money all day, but these were
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Speaker 1: some significant changes from MLB that would impact the way
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Speaker 1: that we watched the sport. You wouldn't have nineteen year
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Speaker 1: old rookies anymore, right, You'd get rid of that. You'd
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Speaker 1: have guys come out of I guess you could be
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Speaker 1: a nineteen year old rookie international but not domestic with
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Speaker 1: JJ was pissed about and I'd love to hear the
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Speaker 1: explanation there from the league at some point, But there
20:27
Speaker 1: were a number of changes that were proposed. Thoughts on
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Speaker 1: anything that you saw yesterday that stood out.
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Speaker 3: Scott, you said it's not about money. It's all about money.
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Speaker 3: It's all about saving money, cutting what they paid draft picks,
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Speaker 3: cutting the amount of players drafted. The whole thing is
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Speaker 3: about that. Yes, the international draft would result in those
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Speaker 3: players getting a higher aggregate, perhaps, but it's all about
20:53
Speaker 3: cost control. Every proposal they're making is about cost control.
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Speaker 3: I didn't like what I heard. High school players are obviously,
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Speaker 3: in many cases risk your draft picks, but some of
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Speaker 3: the great players in the game are high school players
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Speaker 3: and international players who are signed not at eighteen, but
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Speaker 3: at sixteen. And then you're asking the colleges to essentially
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Speaker 3: become the feeder system for Major League Baseball, to take
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Speaker 3: over development in many ways, because you're obviously funneling players
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Speaker 3: to college. And as many people have pointed out, and
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Speaker 3: this is a great point, college baseball is not about development.
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Speaker 3: College baseball is about winning. Those coaches are under increasing
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Speaker 3: pressure all the time to win. Freshmen don't play for
21:37
Speaker 3: that reason, so you lose a year of development. There
21:41
Speaker 3: are going to be a lot of proposals, obviously coming
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Speaker 3: back and forth over the next month, several months really
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Speaker 3: until next spring training. Some of them can be taken
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Speaker 3: more seriously than others. I just can't imagine this ever
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Speaker 3: being adopted in a meaningful way. You might see of this,
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Speaker 3: you might see some kind of compromise, But it seems
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Speaker 3: to me and this will happen with the union's proposals too.
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Speaker 3: They aim here and maybe they get back to here
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Speaker 3: at some point, And actually it's going to have to
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Speaker 3: happen with all the proposals that we've seen from both
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Speaker 3: sides so far, they're going to have to eventually come
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Speaker 3: down from what they're asking. And what bothers me is
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Speaker 3: these proposals that the owners are making, it's almost as
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Speaker 3: if they're operating like the sport is broke. Sport's not broke,
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Speaker 3: not even close.
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Speaker 5: How can the owners spin this to be something positive
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Speaker 5: for the game, because I'm missing it and maybe I
22:39
Speaker 5: just have one day of the feeling of wait a minute,
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Speaker 5: you're taking this away. You're taking this away. I get
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Speaker 5: the money costs, but how are the owners going How
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Speaker 5: does this enhance the game?
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Speaker 3: Their point is that college baseball is really good right now. True,
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Speaker 3: no one would dispute that. Their point also is the
22:56
Speaker 3: college baseball many of the tools that exist in the
22:59
Speaker 3: Major and even the miners exist at the college level,
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Speaker 3: and I'm talking about the advanced analytical and technological tools.
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Speaker 3: So what they're saying is players can develop better that way.
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Speaker 3: This will help college baseball. And as for high school kids,
23:14
Speaker 3: they get a college education more likely than not because
23:17
Speaker 3: they can't be a major leaguer or even in a
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Speaker 3: major league organization until they're twenty years old. Okay, but
23:25
Speaker 3: there's always the other side of it. And the other
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Speaker 3: side of it here is they want international players to
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Speaker 3: begin their careers later. They want high school kids to
23:34
Speaker 3: begin their careers later. And what does that do. It
23:37
Speaker 3: pushes them further down the line in the age cycle
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Speaker 3: for free agency.
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Speaker 2: Bingo.
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Speaker 1: Oh, and just to take this back to my question
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Speaker 1: to kick this off to Ken, Oh, it is all
23:51
Speaker 1: about the money. I just get fatigue from talking about
23:54
Speaker 1: the money component and say, hey, how can we relate
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Speaker 1: to this to the sport.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, it is no saying Scott, I know you're asking,
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Speaker 3: but it is all about the money. And remember when
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Speaker 3: they made the initial salary cap proposal, the owners that
24:08
Speaker 3: the players were like, whoa, whoa, whoa, this doesn't add up.
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Speaker 3: Something has to be coming out of the amateur side. Bingo.
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Speaker 3: Something's coming out of the amateur side.
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Speaker 2: There you go.
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Speaker 1: There you have the people and thanks for the time.
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Speaker 2: Have a great weekend the two guys. Thanks