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Discussing Modern Israel | Mondo & Gary · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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  Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the podcast today, Mondo Gonzalez here with Gary
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  Speaker 2: Steerman on the Week in Bible Prophecy Podcasts. Before we
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  Speaker 2: begin here, I want to remind everybody that if you're
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  Speaker 2: always good to to continue to grow that so we
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  Speaker 2: can get the influence out there even more. Well, Gary,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to be talking about this phrase we're seeing
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  Speaker 2: lately with all this stuff going on with Israel, no
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  Speaker 2: doubt there's a there's a war about there's a war
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  Speaker 2: kind of preliminary started getting ready to really jump in
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  Speaker 2: and you see this battle going on, and you see
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  Speaker 2: some people say I stand with Israel and others I don't.
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  Speaker 2: And so what I want to discuss is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: do we stand with Israel? And what does that really mean?
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  Speaker 3: So, Mondo, what a question? Standing with Israel is not
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  Speaker 3: a simple thing. If you go back through the ages,
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  Speaker 3: Israel's life, whether in the land that they presently occupy
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  Speaker 3: or outside the land, is very very complex. And I
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  Speaker 3: think the question right now that is being fought for
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  Speaker 3: even as we speak, is God's relationship with Abraham. You know,
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  Speaker 3: Israel to me is not like any other country in
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  Speaker 3: the whole world, past, present, or even future, because God
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  Speaker 3: declared that country and said this land. He talked to
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  Speaker 3: Abraham at that time, Abram and said, I want you
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  Speaker 3: to look in forward directions. I want you to stand
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  Speaker 3: in a certain place, and everything you see you can claim,
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  Speaker 3: and it's going to become a special place. And God
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  Speaker 3: in several different chapters of the Bible goes into Israel
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  Speaker 3: and what Israel was, what Israel was not, and what
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  Speaker 3: Israel would be in the far future. But it's right
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  Speaker 3: in the center of God's thinking, and no other country
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  Speaker 3: on planet Earth is that way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's you know, as you listen today,
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  Speaker 2: as we get started, Gary, what you just said is
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  Speaker 2: exactly right. And so one of the things that we
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  Speaker 2: want to do today is we want to answer the
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  Speaker 2: question what is Israel. We also don't want to talk
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  Speaker 2: about the covenant that got made with Abraham as relates
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  Speaker 2: to that. We also want to talk about the legal
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  Speaker 2: right as relates to modern Israel. We want to talk
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  Speaker 2: about a little bit replacement theology, the theological concepts of
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  Speaker 2: why there's so much confusion in the church. We also
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  Speaker 2: want to discuss the the Kazarian myth. Oh yes, and
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  Speaker 2: we'll explain that later. But if you're listening and you're
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  Speaker 2: wondering whether it hang on, we got we got some
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  Speaker 2: good topics as well as just anti Semitism in general
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  Speaker 2: seems to be hiding in plain sight. And then also
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  Speaker 2: looking at again, let's following it up or concluding with
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  Speaker 2: what does it mean to support Israel today? And also
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  Speaker 2: what does it mean as a Christian? You know, how
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  Speaker 2: far do we support Israel?
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  Speaker 1: You know, what do we do?
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  Speaker 2: Support everything that they say, everything they do, as everything
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  Speaker 2: that the modern Israel does perfect? What's the also the
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  Speaker 2: religious component? What do they think about Christians as it
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  Speaker 2: relates to modern Israel and how that all comes to be?
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  Speaker 2: And also to say that, you know, do we love Palestinians?
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  Speaker 1: Of course we do.
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  Speaker 2: We're supposed to love everybody, but what does that really
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  Speaker 2: mean in practical terms? And also as it relates to
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  Speaker 2: even Hamas as a leadership as a political terrorist entity.
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  Speaker 2: So Gary, let's start out here. You mentioned abram Genesis twelve,
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  Speaker 2: So what is Israel in the Bible? I mean there
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  Speaker 2: it starts to begin. There is no Israel before that. Well,
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  Speaker 2: there's let's talk about that. This guy Abram Genesis twelve,
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  Speaker 2: verse one. Why is he special? I mean he appears
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  Speaker 2: at the end of chapter eleven in his geneology. Why
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  Speaker 2: is this guy Abram special?
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  Speaker 3: Now there's a good question. You know, Abram was not
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  Speaker 3: a pushover. Let's put it this way. He had a
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  Speaker 3: lot of character, He had a lot of drive, a
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  Speaker 3: good a good word to use. He had a certain
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  Speaker 3: strength of character which was good at times and which
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  Speaker 3: was bad at times. And that's being a human being,
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  Speaker 3: I think. But especially it's true not only of Abram
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  Speaker 3: later Abram, but it's also true of Israel. Israel has
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  Speaker 3: the reputation of being the apple of God's eye, but
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  Speaker 3: no pushover. Israel pretty much does what it wants to do.
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  Speaker 3: And sometimes historically Israel has gotten in trouble, and sometimes,
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  Speaker 3: as in our era, in deep, deep trouble. But we
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  Speaker 3: always know that God is going to come to Israel's
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  Speaker 3: rescue because it started. And if I just go over
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  Speaker 3: here and look at one verse in my Bible, this
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  Speaker 3: is Genesis thirteen seventeen, where God's speaking to Abram says
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  Speaker 3: a rise walk through the land, the length of it,
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  Speaker 3: the breadth of it, and I will give it to you.
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  Speaker 3: What a statement that started what we see going on
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  Speaker 3: today in the daily news as we make this podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is true that, you know, when you
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  Speaker 2: think about the land, and let's be technical here, that Israel.
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  Speaker 2: The term Israel comes from the renaming of Jacob, Abraham's grandson.
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  Speaker 2: So in a technical sense, an Israelites is someone who
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  Speaker 2: is a descendant of Jacob his twelve sons. So Isaac
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  Speaker 2: is not technically an Israelite, and even Abraham is not
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  Speaker 2: technically Israelite, but they're the fathers, no doubt of Jacob,
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  Speaker 2: because you know with certainly with Abraham you have Ishmael,
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  Speaker 2: which and Isaac. So the covenant was made, this covenant
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  Speaker 2: that you just mentioned of the land was said, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to give it to you and your descendants. Well
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't to Ishmael. I'm going to give this covenant
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  Speaker 2: to Isaac, that was clear. And then with Isaac the
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  Speaker 2: covenant was then made to Jacob and not Esau. So
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  Speaker 2: when you come to Jacob in the twelve the word
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  Speaker 2: Jew comes from Jude to the fourth son of Jacob.
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  Speaker 2: And then later it becomes kind of a synonymous word
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  Speaker 2: with all of his brothers, including Jacob. So let's be technical.
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  Speaker 2: Israel is Jacob and all the descendants of Jacob. So
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  Speaker 2: again not isesa not Ishmael. So but in that sense
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  Speaker 2: what you see there too, you cannot separate this covenant
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  Speaker 2: that God made with Abraham Isaac, and then certainly with Jacob.
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  Speaker 2: You can't separate the covenant that God made with the
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  Speaker 2: people and the land.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great statement because and I was about to
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  Speaker 3: say as you were talking, I was thinking, think about
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  Speaker 3: the genealogy Adam and Eve, and they have children, and
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  Speaker 3: their children have children, and you trace the genealogy, and
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  Speaker 3: you come down into the day's Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,
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  Speaker 3: and guess what their genealogy tracks right through the period
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about, onward to the period of the Kings,
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  Speaker 3: and onward into the period of New Testament, the birth
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  Speaker 3: of Jesus. We have then a not only a continuing
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  Speaker 3: genealogy that tracks all the way through the Bible and
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  Speaker 3: to our Messiah, but we also have a geography to
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  Speaker 3: go with it. And it's heavily contested by the God
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  Speaker 3: of this world. And I believe that when we look
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  Speaker 3: at the subject that we're looking at, you can't leave
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  Speaker 3: out the devil. He's very mad, he's very grave, he's
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  Speaker 3: very He believes that he unfairly was stripped of his
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  Speaker 3: legal right to planet Earth, and still he still claims it.
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  Speaker 3: And the whole Bible is very clear about that. And
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  Speaker 3: in particular, he's got his eye on that promised land.
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  Speaker 3: And you can see it so plainly in the news.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, all you have to do, why would you
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  Speaker 3: want that little strip of land.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it reminds me of children where the kids are playing,
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  Speaker 2: and maybe there's ten different toys, ten different toys, I
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  Speaker 2: mean lots of there's. But yet the one kid goes
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  Speaker 2: up and grabs the one toy, and now the other
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  Speaker 2: kid wants that toy, not because there's not nine others.
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  Speaker 2: It's because he wants that one because the other kid
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  Speaker 2: has it. And in the same way, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: Earth is very large. But when God says this particular
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  Speaker 2: piece of land, Abraham, look around these mountains, you see
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  Speaker 2: this land, the desert and the negeve, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: I'm giving that to you.
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  Speaker 2: In Genesis twelve, verses one through three, we see this
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  Speaker 2: promise I'm going to give it to you in your descendants,
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  Speaker 2: and you're going to be a blessing and all the
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  Speaker 2: nations of Earth will be blessed for you. So you see,
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  Speaker 2: we call that the Abraham at Covenant, and out of
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  Speaker 2: that covenant you have a land component, you have a
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  Speaker 2: seed component. You know in your seed you also have
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  Speaker 2: a blessing component. And it's fascinating if you look at
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  Speaker 2: the Abraham at Covenant. The other three covenants that come
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  Speaker 2: out of that is the land is the Deuteronomy or
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  Speaker 2: Jude Army twenty nine thirty the Land the Land Covenant.
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  Speaker 2: You have the seed, which is the dynasty. We see
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  Speaker 2: that in tewod Samuel seven as ear least to David.
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  Speaker 2: And then you have the blessing, the new covenant blessing,
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  Speaker 2: which is in Jeremiah thirty one. So it's fascinating that
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  Speaker 2: as soon as God said this land I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: give to you, and through that I'm going to work
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  Speaker 2: by a plan of redemption. Now Satan wants the land,
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  Speaker 2: or he wants to corrupt the land, or he wants
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  Speaker 2: to fill it full of evil, and he does or.
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  Speaker 1: Corrupt the people and the people yep.
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  Speaker 3: And which is his way, and by the way, it's
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  Speaker 3: still working even right down to this present day. Really
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  Speaker 3: is because the world is a place that you think is, wow,
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  Speaker 3: this is great. World War two is all finished, and
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  Speaker 3: we're back and we're working, and the economy is great.
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  Speaker 3: Fifty years later, it's still great and everything's going to
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  Speaker 3: be just wonderful, and uh oh. All over the world
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  Speaker 3: you have people fighting. You have the Chinese, and you
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  Speaker 3: have the Iranians, and you have the Russians, and on
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  Speaker 3: and on. I could go, but somehow, and this is
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  Speaker 3: more than supernatural to me, that little strip of land
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  Speaker 3: there at the east end of the Mediterranean is still
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  Speaker 3: more valuable than all of that other land. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I've got Deuteronomy chapter nine open here, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Five and six. Will you read that to me?
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  Speaker 2: Let me preface it before you read it, Okay, is
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  Speaker 2: everybody's going to say, okay, this verse applies just as
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  Speaker 2: much in ancient Israel as it does to today. And
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  Speaker 2: so what we have here this is important. This is
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  Speaker 2: the promises of God, eternal promises of God made to Abraham,
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  Speaker 2: Isaac and Jacob. And here's what God says to them
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  Speaker 2: as they're about ready to enter into the land after
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  Speaker 2: wandering in the wilders for forty years.
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  Speaker 3: And verse five says, not for and I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: read it in the kingdom.
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  Speaker 1: That's fine.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Not for thy righteousness or for the uprightness of
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  Speaker 3: thine art does thou go to possess the land. But
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  Speaker 3: for the wickedness of these nations. The Lord thy God
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  Speaker 3: doth drive them out from before the end, that he
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  Speaker 3: may perform the word which the lords swear under by
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  Speaker 3: fathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And here's verse six. Understand therefore,
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  Speaker 3: and this is a you know, listen up.
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  Speaker 1: This is.
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  Speaker 3: Understand therefore that the Lord thy God giveth the not
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  Speaker 3: the good land, to possess it for thy righteousness, for
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  Speaker 3: thou art a stiff necked people. Now the next verse
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  Speaker 3: continues on that man explaining why there are stiff neck
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  Speaker 3: why there is stiff necked people. But essentially that is past,
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  Speaker 3: present and future Israel. That it's condensed into that little
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  Speaker 3: statement made by God. We see it today.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And obviously God's not anti Semitic, he's just calling
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  Speaker 2: him out that. And again, as you said, in the
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  Speaker 2: next few verses, he's saying, you were stick stiff necked. Here,
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  Speaker 2: you were stiff necked here, you rebelled here. But again
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  Speaker 2: the key is at the end of five, God says,
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  Speaker 2: it's not because you're righteous, and I'm given this because
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  Speaker 2: my promise that I made to abrahm Issac, Jacob, and
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  Speaker 2: so in the same way when you come to the
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  Speaker 2: current modern era, when Israel became a nation in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: forty eight, and again in anticipation as we're approaching the
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  Speaker 2: end of the age, it's it's the super signed and
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  Speaker 2: prophetic sign. In the same way, God says, look, I'm real.
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  Speaker 2: I'm bringing you back into the land again, not because
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  Speaker 2: you're righteous, not because of this, but because I gave
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  Speaker 2: a promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And we know
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  Speaker 2: Roman's eleven twenty five that God all Israel will be saved.
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  Speaker 2: Well in order for them to be saved national Israel,
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  Speaker 2: they need to be back in the land and they
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  Speaker 2: need to follow Jesus. So they came back in unbelief.
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  Speaker 2: And right now when we look at modern Israel, they're
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  Speaker 2: not following Jesus. That most of them are secular, most
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  Speaker 2: of them are atheists, most of them are complete pagan as. Gary,
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  Speaker 2: you and I talked the state of Israel today is
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  Speaker 2: very imperfect. It's not a moral high ground as it relates.
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  Speaker 3: To well comment on this. I want to ask you
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  Speaker 3: a question, what is it about the Jews? They really
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  Speaker 3: want to be hospitable, they want to be charitable. Are
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  Speaker 3: their thoughts are good? They observe Torah and they try
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  Speaker 3: to do good to their fellow man. And yet there
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  Speaker 3: is something about the Jews. There's there's because of years
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  Speaker 3: of experience, you know, more experience than I can even imagine.
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  Speaker 3: They have a kind of a suspicious nature. They've been
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  Speaker 3: kicked out of just about every country in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Persecution will do that to you.
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  Speaker 3: And they have developed a, if you will, a resistant quality. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and God has a word for it, stiff neck. But
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  Speaker 3: and we think maybe that's not a good attribute. But
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  Speaker 3: on the other hand, maybe they've had to be stiff
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  Speaker 3: necked to survive. And we think of that even today
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  Speaker 3: because suddenly, as we make this the whole world is
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  Speaker 3: going after them again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think if you look there's two ways to look
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  Speaker 2: at it. You know, certainly one is modern, but the
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  Speaker 2: other one is just historical. If you go back to
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  Speaker 2: their identity, even in the land of Egypt, it turned
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  Speaker 2: very quickly, where they became ostracized and isolated as a group,
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  Speaker 2: and certainly persecuted in slavery in the Book of Exodus.
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  Speaker 1: We know that.
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  Speaker 2: And then their history got you know, standing with them
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  Speaker 2: and isolating them. God put them, I think he did
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  Speaker 2: that on purpose. He put them at the cradle of
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  Speaker 2: civilization as it relates to you know, Europe, Asia and
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  Speaker 2: Africa and all these these empires are going back and
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  Speaker 2: forth right through there. And they had their own identity,
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  Speaker 2: and he did that, you know, he gave them law,
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  Speaker 2: which again gave him a special identity.
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  Speaker 1: They stood out.
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  Speaker 2: They were always different because they didn't participate in the
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  Speaker 2: pagan practices. And you go all through history them in
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  Speaker 2: the land, but also being kicked out of land after
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  Speaker 2: the first century, going into all the nations having that identity.
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  Speaker 2: But again, as you mentioned, Gary, persecuted, so that stubbornness
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  Speaker 2: God has used to keep them from assimilating into the
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  Speaker 2: whole rest of the world. So they have had this
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  Speaker 2: separate very cultural even religious. Again in Israel today there's
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  Speaker 2: there's very few that are religious. They don't really care
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  Speaker 2: about the Bible, but they still have a cultural identity
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  Speaker 2: and now a nationalistic identity since nineteen forty eight.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's always amazed me to read the Bible
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  Speaker 3: and to read into Revelation, into the tribulation period and
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  Speaker 3: to learn about the the regathering of the Twelve tribes,
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  Speaker 3: and it very clearly says in Revelation that all twelve
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  Speaker 3: tribes are there in numbers that can congregate, they can
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  Speaker 3: reallocate their positioning, they can become what they've always been.
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  Speaker 3: And yet if you ask somebody today, they'll say, well,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we're not even sure the Jews are genetically
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  Speaker 3: present with us today. You know, they may not even
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  Speaker 3: be Jews at all. They may be descended from people,
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  Speaker 3: you know, out in the steps of Russia, out in
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  Speaker 3: the foreign land, and some people call them Kazars, and.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about that.
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  Speaker 3: So we just had to throw that because there is
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  Speaker 3: an argument about are those Jews really do?
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  Speaker 1: I think?
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting that even in the first century,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Paul recognized he was of the tribe of Benjamin,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and we have the tribe of Asher.
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  Speaker 1: Those are all.
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  Speaker 2: Especially Asher was I thought that was supposed to be lost,
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  Speaker 2: and so you do see.
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  Speaker 1: After them that's a good point.
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  Speaker 2: After the Assyrian captivity, many of them in the north
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  Speaker 2: that were part of the ten Northern Tribes came down,
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  Speaker 2: so they weren't lost. In fact, again they understood that
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  Speaker 2: even James rights to the to the twelve tribes, you know, scattered,
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  Speaker 2: and so they understood those things. And no doubt seventy
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  Speaker 2: a d Once the temple records were destroyed and stuff
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  Speaker 2: that there there, it's a little bit more problematic. But
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  Speaker 2: God knows, God knows who's who. And so if we summarize,
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  Speaker 2: Israel had theological promises eternal promises accorn to Jeremiah thirty one,
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  Speaker 2: God says, I if the sun and the moon and
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  Speaker 2: all the ordnances of Heaven stop, then Israel will cease
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  Speaker 2: to be a nation. They've always been a nation, but
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  Speaker 2: they haven't always been again in God's favor, He kicked
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  Speaker 2: him out of the land in the first century because
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  Speaker 2: of their rejection of Jesus as a messiah.
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  Speaker 1: We know that.
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  Speaker 2: So what we want to summarize here is that God's
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  Speaker 2: promised to Israel and their connection with the land, the
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  Speaker 2: only land ever in the history of the world that
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  Speaker 2: God has promised to a specific nation that we know
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  Speaker 2: about is eternal. Now let's talk about modern Israel for
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  Speaker 2: a moment. Let's talk about the legal standing. Let's talk
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  Speaker 2: about the Balfour decoration for a minute. Talk about that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the Balfour declaration came after the Great World War
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  Speaker 3: that the war to end all.
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  Speaker 1: War, World War One, it's gonna end all wars.
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  Speaker 3: There's going to end all wars, the big one. And
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: in the process of that, uh, the the Israelis, the
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Israelites and Aliah, having wandered, had positioned themselves very nicely,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: mostly into northern Europe. And you can say amazing things
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: about about their positioning. When the Jews were uh, living
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: outside the land, they thrived, they multiplied in northern Europe,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: particularly in Germany. And when that happened, the Jews had forgotten, basically,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: if you look at their history, they had forgotten about
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: the promises of going back to the land. They said,
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: we're doing fine here, we've all settled in and we're
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: not sure about this whole biblical thing about going back
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: to the land. And in fact, they became rooted in Europe,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: as is widely known, good lot terrific life, and they
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: called themselves the best Germans quote unquote, we are the
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: citizens to end all citizens in Germany. And they were.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: They were the poets, the scientists, they were the producers
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: of new products and inventors everything you can think of,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: and hey, why go back?
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, why go back to a desolate land?
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: And then God arranged something. After the Balfour Declaration going
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: into World World War One, there was a great upheaval
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: in Germany. Everybody remembers that. Everybody knows about it, and
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: that was the impetus of a return to the land.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: And we all read about it, we thought about it,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: We have watched it since nineteen forty eight, and we've
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: all said, this is going to be great. Israel is
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: building up the land, they're going to be settled in,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: They're going to assume their true identity. And of course,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: if you've read Bible prophecy, you know that there's still
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: another war to come. Yeah, there is a warlike situation
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: and it's going to be aimed right at the Jews.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: So I think if we.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: See what we're talking about here is we're talking about
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: the promises that God made and then but we're bringing
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: in the element of the spiritual battle that there's a
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Satanic hatred of the Jews. Why it's not so much
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: that the Jews or anything special, except that God said
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: they were. And so the fact that God has chosen
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: to bring the Jews into existence from Abraham, Isaac and
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Jacob all the way down and to bring the Messiah
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: through the line of Judah and then through the line
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: of David. So now he's he's he's he hates.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Them for what they do.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: He also knows that we have several passages in scripture
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Hoseah f I Pint. Fifteen Matthew twenty five read that
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Jesus can't return unless the Jews ask him to return.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Jesus says, you will not see me again until you
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: say blessed Zeu comes in the name of the Lord
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: in Matthew twenty three, thirty seven through thirty nine. So
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: when you look at that passage, Satan's like, oh, well,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I got to annihilate the Jews so that they can't
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: ask Jesus to come back. And because if they can't
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: ask Jesus to come back, well then Jesus can't come
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: and rule and certainly disarm Satan fully and finally and
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: put him in prison. So that being said, as we
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: approach the end of the age. God has brought Israel
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: back and He's given them legal right through the Balfour Declaration.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Also the League of Nations in nineteen twenty three they
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: issued the Mandate for Palestine, which was given to the
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: British to implement and to manage. But then in nineteen
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: forty seven you have the un Partition Plan. So when
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: you have this, the United Nations itself coming and saying
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: we are agreeing internationally legally to give Israel a place
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: in the land which they haven't had since they were
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: kicked out in the first and second centuries with the
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Great Revolts. All of a sudden, now I think Satan's
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: put on notice what the very United Nations has given
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: official legitimacy. And at the time the people that were
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: part of the ilwould call the quasi government of Israel,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: which wasn't Israel.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: When they heard this.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: There was a timeframe it was they had to have
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: it done by October of nineteen forty eight, but Israel
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: preempted it because the British were phasing themselves out in
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: the early part of nineteen forty eight, and so May fourteen,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: ninety forty eight, they declared we're a state based on
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: the UN resolution, you know, one to eighty one from
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: the previous November. So now here it is a miracle,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: a nation as a sixty six, a nation's born in
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: one day.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: However, Comma, comma, there's a big However, and what we
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: mentioned the idea of the Kazars a minute ago, and
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: you said, well, let's let's put a few more facts
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: in play here and then get back to the idea
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: of the Kazars. There were many, many people all over
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: the world who objected to the idea that the Jews
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: had returned to the land and that the nation Israel
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: was reborn. Christians celebrated it, particularly Bible believing. Others, sensationalists,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: you know, celebrated the.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Fact that others didn't. Christians didn't.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Others did not. And some people said, those aren't Jews
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: at all, They're not the true Twelve tribes. And they
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: resurrected an old myth, the kazari and myth, which is
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: that the Jews were not from the Twelve tribes, but
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: rather they were tribes from the east, from the steps
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: of Russia who traveled toward Europe and took on the
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: identity of Jews and called themselves Jews. And where do
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: you go with that?
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: You know, I think that lot of people might not
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: even say, what in the world is that?
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Well, Kazaria was a nation. It was.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: It was a very loosely confederate. It was a confederation
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: really what we would say, in the area of the
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: stands Kazakhstan, you know, Georgia, in the Caspian Sea, the
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Black Sea area, and it went all the way up
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: as you mentioned, the southern steps of Russia, when west
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: as far as Ukraine, and then it went east a
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: little bit. So it was a real nation in really
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: this seventheighth and ninth centuries. But what happened was in
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: the eighth century you have the leadership, the royal class
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: converting to Judaism. So now you have this influential class
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: converting to Judaism, this empire. And then of course when
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: you have that, you're going to have multiplication of people.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: And then so what people will say is, well, the
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: modern Jews that you see today are just simply converts.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: They don't have the blood, the genetic blood of Abraham,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Isaac and Jacob in then because they're converts. And so
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: the ones you have to. Then they migrated over as
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: the Kazari and Empire went out of existence, they migrated
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: over into eastern Europe, you know again Western Ukraine, Germany,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: the Ashkenazi group. But you say, okay, no one denies
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: that there was a real group that converted. But let's
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: put this in context. There's two things that I think
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: are important here, and that is, we know from the
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Book of Acts seventeen that Paul was out preaching to
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: in synagogues that were all throughout the Roman Empire. So
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: there were Jews spread out everywhere within the Roman Roman Empire.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: From I would say that the even prior to the
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: time of Jesus, but at least from then on. And
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: of course they spread after the dispersion in eighty seventy
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: and one thirty five. So there's Jews everywhere. Gary, They're
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: not just limited to the Kazarian era. So even though
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: you have this conversion of the Kazars in this specific area,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: they were already at the Jews in every other part
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: of the.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: World Spain, Gaul, Britain.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, so the fact that all of a sudden
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: now the only Jews left in the world are the Kazarians,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: that just doesn't make sense. Historically they were everywhere, all
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: through Istanbul, all through the northern Africa, so especially in
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: the in the sense that in the in the religious.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Way they did right.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but when the Jews came back to the land,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: you have the Sephardic Jews of the Iberian Peninsula, Spain, Portugal,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: et cetera, or all along maybe the north again northern
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: coast of Africa. So the Jews that came back. Are
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: we saying that only one single group, the Kazarian group,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: came back to the land of Israel.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Clearly not clearly not, And which brings up the point.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: We now have the means through genetic genetic research to
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: look at haplotypes and to determine which bloodline you come from,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: and all twelve tribes have been identified by a tribal haplotype,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: so you'd have your blood tested and know which dribe
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: you're from, which I think is just amazing, which blows
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: all that mythology.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: That's a good way you said. The DNA evidence blows
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: it right out of the water. And there's no doubt
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: that there are some many who claim to be Jewish
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: today that go back to the Khazars or the Caspians area.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: We know that's true, but a lot of the others
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: go back to Portugal, they go back to other lines
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: into western Europe or even northern Africa, or even to
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: the east towards there's a lot of Iraqi and Iranian
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Jews from the Babylonian captivity. Still, so Ethiopia, we have
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Ethiopian Jews. There's nothing new with the Kazars, but it's
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: in their genetics clearly to show that is there a
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Kazarian connection. Yeah, there may be a few percentage, but
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: the rest of the Israeli population today comes from all
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: over the world. And that's the other key. Gary is
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: for me Ezekiel thirty six, thirty seven and thirty eight.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: God says I will bring them back in the latter day. Yes,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: and I will bring them back from all the nations
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: that I've scattered. I don't think God is limited by
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: DNA studies to say I don't know who is a Jew.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know who the true genetics are. The fact
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: that God says he will bring back to Jews is
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: enough for me.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Case closed.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: The Jews that are in the land today are the
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: ones that God brought brought back supernaturally and providentially. And
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: so if God says those are the ones I brought
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: back and I'm calling them Jews, do we really need
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: anything else?
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: We don't. Well, I'm looking at Ezekiel, you know, and
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Ezekiel thirty seven that twenty five says referring to the
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: latter days, very carefully laid out in the end chapters
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: of Ezekiel, it says, and they shall dwell in the
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: land that I have given unto Jacob, my servant. And
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: that begins, shall we say, the really beautiful ending of
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Ezekiel's prophecy, because he goes from there into how the
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Jews are going to have to fight to keep the
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: land after they return it, and after that they win
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: the battles and the kingdom then is described as Ezekiel's
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: prophecy rolls to an end. And so we look at that,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: we say, well, we know how it ends. We've read
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: the end of the book. We know what's going to happen,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: and God knows who those tribes are and what He's
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: going to do with them.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, it's so clear in scripture. And again for
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: those listening, there's a lot of confusion out there and
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: we're trying to provide some historical and but most importantly biblical.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: So the question, maybe we can do a little summary
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: here is that we're asking the question why do we
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: stand with Israel. Well, we don't stand with Israel because
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Israel's righteous, just like God said, I mean, we're not
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: picking on the Israel is just as imperfect as every
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: other nation. But we stand with Israel because of the
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: promises of God. So in reality, we're standing with God.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: We're standing with God. And if God says, hey, Mondo,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: if you want to stand with me, I've made this
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: promise in my word to the nation Israel, to Abraham,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Isaac and Jacob, the land is theirs forever. So I
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: brought him back into the land. Did you see that, Yes,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: they're in the land. I planted them there for a reason.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: We have the end game is coming at the end
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: of the age. Therefore, what are you going to do? Well,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I'm going to stand with the promises of God that
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: it's not right. As much as we might we should
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: love the Syrians and the Lebanese and the Palestinians and
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: the Arabs. We come and we say, hey, look, we
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: love you. You need Jesus just like the Jews do.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: But if you're asking where I stand as relates to
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: who owns the land, God said, I've given it to
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: this group. So I'm encouraging you don't fight with God
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: on this.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: There doesn't mean that they get carte blanche to murder
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: people or whatever. I mean again, we know that, but
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: the land belongs to Israel. Why why do you say
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: because God said so?
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: And who's going to challenge God? Reason? Not I?
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Not I.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: And by the way, the whole Bible is built that way.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: It's built around the point, the single point that God
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: created the heavens the earth. You go through the entire Bible,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: he creates a new heavens and new earth. In the words,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: God has got it pretty well laid out. Shall we say? Yeah,
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: all we have to do is learn to read his book.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: And his book has written in a linear fashion, you know,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: and we call it Bible prophecy. It begins over here,
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: it has a middle, and you go to the New
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Testament and things happened there, and then it has an
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: end and right in the middle of all that, or
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: the twelve tribes, basically they're driving what happens sociologically on
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: the face of planet Earth, and God made the decision
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: that they would have that position. And you know, the
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Jews sometimes have been heard to say, God, why did
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: you choose?
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Why did you choose?
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: There's a certain sense that's true because then Satan attacks
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: them because there has chosen.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in that regard, and.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Which brings me to a point that I wanted to
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: lay down in front of you. What is anti Semitism?
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Anyway we talk about it? Where does it come from?
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Why is it so powerful? And by the way, we're
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: seeing some waves of anti Semitism traversing the world right now.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: And anti semitism has a biblical source point, I think,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: and there is biblical reasoning that helps us to understand
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: anti Semitism. But it's a crazy, crazy thing, it really is.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: And I think that as we've kind of said it,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: but now let's say it a little bit more explicit
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: in that anti Semitism is the hatred of the Jews
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: that is satanically inspired. Because why we have an enemy
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: that again is seeking to interrupt or try to try
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: the best. He's failed that it has a great record
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: of failing in the sense of thwarting God's Messianic plan
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: of redemption which includes the Jews.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: And so as soon as as soon as.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: God says I'm choosing this group, Satan now is hating them,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: and he's hated them from Abraham's day all the way through.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: We don't have time to trace all that, all the
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: way through history, Church history, all the way up to
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: the modern day. But let me ask you this, Gary,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: because part of the anti Semitism, it presupposes something else,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: and that is something that we want to discuss here
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: is give a definition, if you will, of replacement theology.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: And because some might say to you, well, Gary, here
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: you're quote in Ezekiel, But don't you know, didn't you
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: know that all the promises, all the unfulfilled promises that
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: you would have to national Israel and the Old Testament
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: are now on the church. So talk about how replacement theology,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: what it is, and how it contributes to anti Semitism.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Well, the church is about that two days old or
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: two thousand years, a thousand years being a day in
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: a day one thousand years, and the two thousand years
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: of the Church age have not been all roses and
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: fresh fruit and all the old There have been wars,
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: there have been battles, there have been factions, and a
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: lot of them have arisen to challenge what we consider
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: to be the biblical view of the Church. And we
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: talk about replacement theology, you're essentially saying something has replaced
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: something else. And jew hatred runs all the way back
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: to the first century to the present and in Europe,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: in the Middle East, even the Far East, everywhere you
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: could find that Jews have traveled, there was jew hatred,
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: and the common belief became generated over the years that
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: God once had a covenant with Jews that's broken. They
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: sinned so grievously he scattered them all over the world.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: They'll never come back. And he has replaced Judaism and
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: the Twelve Tribes and the promises made to the twelve tribes,
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: he has transferred those over to the Church. And there
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: have been several lines or factions of replacement theology that
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: have come down through the various Church. And I don't
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: know whether we want to get into the various denominations or.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Not necessarily, but there would lead us down too far
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: off the It's the.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Jews really had the covenant of God, but they were
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: so disobedient that God had to rip it away. And
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: the new Covenant through the Lord Jesus Christ has replaced permanently, forever, permanently,
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: forever what the Jews? Yeah, so so how do you
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: how do you argue against that?
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: You know, I think it's one of the things that
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: we I want to recommend here is we have a
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: book in our in our online bookstore called Zionism, The
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Case for Zionism by by Tommy Ice, doctor Tommy Ice,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: And hopefully you'll find that in the description below. But
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: that's a book that I think every Christian should read because,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: especially now that as we move forward with Israel becoming
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: so central this war who knows, who knows how long
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: it is, we need to be able to discuss intelligently
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: with those around us that are that again has released
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: to anti Semitism, that it's increasing. The anti Semitism, it seems,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: has never left since World War Two and the Holocaust.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: It's kind of laid dormant, but it's there, it's been there,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: and now this is it's it's been. This has given
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: an opportunity to make it rise. But I'll read to
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: you a quote from the Zionism book. It says, we
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: believe that the International Church has superseded for all times
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: national Israel as the institution for the administration of mine
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: blessing to the world. And that is Kenneth Gentry, a
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  Speaker 2: replacement theologian. And so when you look, when you think
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  Speaker 2: about that phrase, I'll read you another quote by the
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  Speaker 2: other side, doctor Randall Price. He defines it a theological
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  Speaker 2: perspective that teaches that the Jews have been rejected by
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  Speaker 2: God and no longer God's chosen people. Those who hold
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  Speaker 2: to this view disavow any ethnic future for the Jewish
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  Speaker 2: people in connection with the biblical covenants, believing that their
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  Speaker 2: spiritual destiny is either to perish or become part of
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  Speaker 2: the new religion that superseded Judaism, whether Christianity or Islam.
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  Speaker 2: So here we have and you say, how do we
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  Speaker 2: respond to it. Well, what we recognize is that there's
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  Speaker 2: no evidence anywhere in the Bible that the Church replaces Israel,
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  Speaker 2: that God will not fulfill his literal promises to Israel.
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  Speaker 2: But again the challenge comes to this, Gary, that we
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  Speaker 2: believe that again the Jews that are there today, God
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  Speaker 2: brought them back because they own the land. But they're
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  Speaker 2: there an unbelief. It's not because of their righteousness with
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  Speaker 2: Deuteronomy nine. We read that, but they have a future,
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  Speaker 2: and they have a future national restoration. Roman's eleven twenty
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  Speaker 2: five says that, but it only comes when they put
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  Speaker 2: their faith in Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: So as long as we maintain.
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  Speaker 2: That they're kind of on hold, God is going to
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  Speaker 2: bring them and accomplish his purposes. But their national restoration,
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  Speaker 2: which is prophesied, will not happen until they call in Jesus.
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  Speaker 3: And the Church, by the way, has been given a
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  Speaker 3: particular destiny and a particular way of blessing this earth.
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  Speaker 3: During the last two thousand years, the Church has brought
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  Speaker 3: a blessing to the world. But I want to point
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  Speaker 3: out rather quickly. Everybody knows something that I'm about to say,
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: but they don't often mention it. And that's something is
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  Speaker 3: that the Jews are a superior people sociologically, mathematically, artistically
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  Speaker 3: Einstein equals mc square. George gershwlind Piano virtuoso. I go
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  Speaker 3: down the list, I could, I don't, I don't want.
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  Speaker 1: To live look and look it up. It's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: It's amazing how many Jews are in the arts and sciences.
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  Speaker 3: They are leading it. And in that way, if you
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  Speaker 3: really want to take that particular view. They have blessed
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  Speaker 3: to the earth with wondrous things by proportion.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they have more nobel prizes exact, and all the
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  Speaker 2: different disciplines in the fields that you just mentioned. So
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  Speaker 2: that tells you that God has blessed them intentionally. I
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  Speaker 2: cannot because they're righteous, but in order to accomplish His
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  Speaker 2: plan to redeem them fully and finally when they trust Jesus.
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  Speaker 3: And they will be redeemed. And we read about that
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  Speaker 3: course of the Book of Revelation, whether the twelve tribes
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  Speaker 3: are regathered, reassembled, reassigned, if you will, and things are
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  Speaker 3: going to be made right after years of absolute horror,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the wars, the miseries, the epidemics that are
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  Speaker 3: rolling down through the years have a point, and they
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  Speaker 3: have a blessed ending. And we as Christians understand that
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  Speaker 3: blessing and we preach it. And that does not include
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  Speaker 3: saying that the Jews have been forever set aside, but
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: rather there is coming a day, and that's why we
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  Speaker 3: teach Bible prophecy. There's coming a day when the age
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  Speaker 3: of the Church will come to an end and Israel
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  Speaker 3: will rise to God the world to that place that
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  Speaker 3: God promised so many centuries ago.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you think about the promises in Isaiah
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  Speaker 2: seven or Isaiah and nine that even in Daniel two,
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  Speaker 2: as it relates to the Messiah that the increase of
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  Speaker 2: his government will have no end. Well, Jesus, Jesus is
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  Speaker 2: going to come and rule as a He's a Jewish man,
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  Speaker 2: he's still, he's he's a human.
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  Speaker 1: Still, and he he's going to.
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  Speaker 2: Come and sit on the throne of his father David
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  Speaker 2: because he's he's he's a descend right.
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  Speaker 3: I just had to throw this in. He's the lion
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  Speaker 3: of the tribe of Judas.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he has a tribe Revelation five to five.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's crystal clear Gary that he has a
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  Speaker 2: tribe and he's what the son of David. Yes, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: and so the throne of his father David was a
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  Speaker 2: literal throne in Jerusalem. It's David never ruled in heaven
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  Speaker 2: Luke one thirty two. I mean, you have these passages
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  Speaker 2: that in order for God to fulfill his promises. See
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: what happens here is it comes back to at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the day. Those that are a part of
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: the replace my theology. Again, These these are our brothers
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  Speaker 2: and sisters in the Lord. We love them, we just
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: disagree with them on this regard. We think that they're
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  Speaker 2: that they're that they're being inconsistent, and they're being inconsistent
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: in this one way. And that is again when we
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  Speaker 2: look at the promises and the prophecies, the Messianic prophecies
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: of Jesus's first coming, all of us including them, they
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: take it very literal. Jesus would be born in Bedlam
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: or the Messiah Micah five two, et cetera literal. But
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: then when it comes they say, well, those other promises
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: that God made about restoration the land will always be yours.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: That that becomes applied to the church, how well figuratively spiritually,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: And there's really no one to one correspondence of how
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: they can do that. When you have the idea, they say, well,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Jesus is ruling from the throne in heaven. David never
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: ruled in heaven. And Psalm too, I will set my
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: king on my holy hill of Zion. Well, Zion is spiritual.
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  Speaker 2: Zion is a hill in in in the in the
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: vicinity right there in Jerusalem.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: And guess whose foot is going to touch down on
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: mountain Zion. Yes, that's going to be a physical event
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: when the Lord returns, and from that point all things
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: will happen that you can't even imagine. And we're going
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: to be with our Lord, and we're going to be
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: watching him and perhaps even participating in the most massive
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: reconstruction of planet Earth you can possibly imagine, going into
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: the millennial period. So what can we say except we
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: stand with Israel. Now that may be a dangerous thing
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: to say these days.
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  Speaker 2: Well it really is true, because I think as we
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  Speaker 2: say that, we want to remind people. Hey, look, Paul,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: in the Book of Romans, is given that the whole
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: theological of salvation the Gospel, right, Romans one sixteen. I'm
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: not ashamed of the Gospel. But then, in the midst
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: of describing the beauties of the Gospel, and especially Romans
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: the end of Romans eight, what can separate us from
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: the love of Christ?
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: This? This?
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  Speaker 2: But then Romans nine, ten and eleven, he says, well,
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: what about Israel? If the promises of God are so amazing, Well,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: what about the promises of God that made to Israel are?
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  Speaker 2: Does God just get rid of those? And Paul spends
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  Speaker 2: three chapters explaining no, no, no, God has finished his promises,
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  Speaker 2: and they're by the way.
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  Speaker 3: He uses strong language.
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  Speaker 2: He uses extremely strong language, and he's saying, in fact,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: God has fulfilled his promises to Israel in part in
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Romans nine, because Paul says, I'm a Jew, so I'm
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: receiving part of the promises, but they're not fulfilled. And
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: in Romans ten he goes on in Romans eleven and
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: he says the gifts and the calling of God are revocable.
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  Speaker 1: All Israel will be saved.
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  Speaker 2: Romans eleven twenty five when the fullness of the Gentiles
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  Speaker 2: comes in. But they were blinded partially, not fully, because
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Paul wasn't blinded, Peter wasn't blinded. Other Jews weren't blinded.
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  Speaker 2: So Romans nine through eleven gives us the history in
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  Speaker 2: advance that God has a future. But so when we
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  Speaker 2: say today we're standing with the nation of Israel, the
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  Speaker 2: modern nation of Israel, make sure you understand us correctly.
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  Speaker 2: What we're saying is we don't endorse everything the modern
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  Speaker 2: state of Israel does, because many times, and we've seen
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: this that right now, many of those in the religious
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: the current religious government Gary they are allowing Christians true
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: genuine evangelical Christians to be persecuted. They are allowing that.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: And we know that the modern Jewish, I would say
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Rabbinic movement, those that are truly in the Rabbinic movement,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: they don't like Christianity. If you look at history, they
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: have some very nasty things to say about Jesus and
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: about Christians. So now net in Yahoo, he's a politician,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: so he knows he likes Evangelical Christians because he's looking
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: for support worldwide. And we are a group that generally
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: does why because we believe the scripture. But I guess
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Gary in ask you you stand with Israel, but do
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: you endorse everything that they do as a modern.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: Government, not as a Christian. They might do some things
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: that run against the Christian ethos, but it's bigger than that,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: and that which is why we study Bible prophecy, by
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: the way, because Bible prophecy, truly taught, gives you a
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: perspective about righteousness. Righteousness as it is laid down in
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: human history. What a story. I mean, it has its
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: incredible highs, its incredible lows. The highest of the highs,
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: Abraham Isaac Jacob, the Twelve Tribes, the Great men of
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: the Old Testament who essentially forged history down to the
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: time of Jesus, and everything was set perfectly when Jesus
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: entered the world and accomplished what he came to accomplish.
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  Speaker 3: And then he said, all right, I'm handing it back
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  Speaker 3: to you. Do your best. And for the last two
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: thousand years the Church has been doing its best, knowing
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  Speaker 3: all law that we were not going to be totally
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  Speaker 3: successful because we're not perfect in any way, shape or form.
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  Speaker 3: We are what can I say? We are redeemed, but
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  Speaker 3: we are not perfect, and this is the human drama.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: But through it all our brethren and Judaism have that
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: role to play, and we as students of Bible prophecy,
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: understand the role and we're rooting for them. Put it
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: just in plain language. We are on their side. We
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: want them to succeed as God says they will succeed.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: But Satan, the god of this world, and we haven't
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: even mentioned him, he has his principalities, his powers as
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  Speaker 3: rulers of darkness in heavenly places, operating twenty four to
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: seven to try to be foul yep. Bible prophecy, as
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  Speaker 3: God has laid it out here in the pages of scripture.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't want that to happen, and he's doing everything
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  Speaker 3: he can to upset history.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's also there can be some confusion
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  Speaker 2: too sometimes and because you use the word brethren, and
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  Speaker 2: yet Paul speaks about his brothers who are physically you know,
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: his brothers, yes, but then he also speaks about brothers
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: who are spiritually his brothers maybe you know, certainly the
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Gentile churches and as he wrote, and so we want
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: to be clear that you have some Jewish heritage, and
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: so they are your brothers in ethnic sense, but spiritually speaking,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: they're not our brothers, not yet until they follow Jesus.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: And so we want to be clear on that. That
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: again what we're saying.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: That's an important yeah, because people say it's oh, you're
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  Speaker 2: calling a brothers, Well, no, no, we're not. I mean, again,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: you have some ethnic Jewishness, so you can call him
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: that in an ethnic sense, but spiritually speaking, they're not.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Why and it's not again we to tell the Jews, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you're not saved, you're lost until you believe in Jesus.
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  Speaker 2: That's not anti Semitic. Paul said in Romans nine and
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: Romans in Romans said, in fact, they said, my heart
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: is in anguish because I want my brothers to be saved.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: And again he's speaking from ethnic sense. But for us,
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: as we as we look at Israel today and we
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: see the battle that they're in, and so how do
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: you how do you work? I mean, how do we
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: deal with that? How do we even how do you
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: evangelize that? How do you how do you love a group?
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Or you can love them in a way, but you
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: can't have agreements. How do you have an agreement with
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: a group that their very culture seeks to murder you.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Islam makes makes one point very clear about about the Jews,
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: and they have it in their written materials that you
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  Speaker 3: are to be considered apes and pigs.
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  Speaker 1: And killed at every moment, every situation.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: And let's face it, who wants to be called an
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: ape and a pig? And then all that goes with that,
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  Speaker 3: in other words, sub human creatures and therefore it behooves
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  Speaker 3: me to wipe them out at any opportunity I get.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: And that's basically Islam. Modern Islam. It does not regard
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: Jews as human beings, which is shocking when you stop
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: and think about it. But God selected, and God is
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: so wise, so far beyond me. But he chose somebody
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: like Abram at that time and said, you're going to
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: go forth. And I'm going back to Genesis thirteen, verse fourteen.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: And the Lord said to Abram, after a lot was
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: separated from them, lift up your eyes. You look from
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: the place where you are. In other words, you're standing
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: on a piece of ground Abraham a Brunn at that time,
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: and I want you to look north, south east and west.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: That land's going to be yours. And you say, oh,
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: that's wonderful. Hold it. There's going to be contention for that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that piece of land where you're standing. And by the way,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: that piece of land where he stood, it's still there.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: It's still there, yea.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: And effectively he's still standing there. Israel as represented by Abram,
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: is still standing on that piece of ground, looking north,
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: south east and west. And they know all about this
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: promise of God. And all I can say is pray
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: for the piece of Jerusalem.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: That really is the key. That's a great verse to
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: kind of end this segment on, because as they're there,
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: it's not ending. We know that the wars are determined
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: all the way to the end until the tribulation comes,
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: which is going to be far worse than going on now.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: And so Israel's an extremely tough place because you know,
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: some people say, well, well, we support Israel because it's
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: the only democracy in the Middle East, and and there's
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: certainly that's that's true. But for us, politically, we that's
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: not our that's not our basis. We stand with Israel
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: because of the scripture and because of the promises of God.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: And yeah, there are some practical ramifications for them being
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: and they have any illegal right for sure, but also
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: being in a democracy. But at the end of the day,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: as you said, Gary, we need to pray for Israel
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: because they they're in this situation. Zacharie twelve. Jerusalem's a cup,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: It's a burdensome stone, It's a cup of trembling for
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: all nations, and it's not going to end until Jesus returns.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: And we know that the future is grim. But in
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: the middle of that, we pray, and we desire we
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: pray for peace. We desire peace, we desire to see them.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: But the main reason we want to do this podcast
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: is again and I encourage people to get The Zionism
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: book by Tommy Ice is we need to have an
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: intelligent response of why.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: And but let's look before we end.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Let's let's bring this up because we didn't really get
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: to it is too much, and that is anti Semitism
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: in America, around the world all of a sudden, but
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: in America now we're having rallies. We talked about a
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: potential rally this coming weekend in different places.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Where was this anti semitism just there? Was it hanging out?
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: I thought it was gone. I thought it was gone
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: after World War Two.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: It's always there. And the reason it's always there is
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: because it's being stoked from behind the scenes. And I
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: believe that's Satan's big role. The big role that he
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: is playing is to interfere with God's prophetic plan as
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: laid out in scripture. If God can be deterred in
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: any way, Satan is going to find a way to
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: do it. But it's not going to happen. I mean,
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: you know, and I know that we can trust the Lord.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: The Lord is all powerful. He has history, past, president
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: and future in his hands. Satan still operates as though
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: history can be changed, and he has a lot of
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: followers on earth who's I don't care what the Bible says,
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: I don't care what prophecy says. We don't want that
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: to happen. We're going to go this way, and essentially
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: that's the world, and most especially that is the world
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: of Islam.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, Well, everybody appreciate you listening today. I hope that
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: this is an informative podcast. You know, A can we
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: encourage you like follow, subscribe all those things. And Gary
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: just want to pray. I think we're just we'll just pray,
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Father Heaven. We do pray for Israel. We pray for
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: the peace of Israel most importantly, and we pray for
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: the spiritual salvation not just of Israel for sure, but
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: everybody in the Middle East. We pray Lord that the
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Gospel would continue to make its way. We pray for
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: cool heads. We pray for again for life. There's so
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: much death all around, and we pray that there would
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: be peace. That's what we desire. We're supposed to pray
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: for those things, and we ask for those things to
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: happen according to your prophetic guide, guidelines or prophetic scenarios.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: We leave that in your hands.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: But in the meantime, i'm you desire for us to
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: pray for the piece of Jerusalm, which is what we
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: do uh and and pray for salvation for all of
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: those jew and gentile like in Jesus name.
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  Speaker 1: Amen.