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Happy Hour #214: What's Lost and Gained · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sandy and Samantha from the Stuff I
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  Speaker 1: Never Told your production of iHeart Radio, and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: another edition of Happy Hour. As always with these, if
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  Speaker 1: you're choosing to drink or whatever you're choosing to do,
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  Speaker 1: please do so responsibly. Samantha, what are you up to?
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  Speaker 2: I am drinking my citrone and throat coat, which has
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  Speaker 2: been the drink of choice or breathe deep, Yeah, two
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  Speaker 2: teeth that I've been drinking for my allergies. I'm on
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  Speaker 2: a whole remedy right now. What about you?
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  Speaker 1: You've made some progress.
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  Speaker 3: It's getting better, it's getting better.
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  Speaker 1: I have some rose rose today. I feel like it's Friday.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why.
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  Speaker 3: It does feel like that to me too.
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  Speaker 1: It's definitely not I guess. I don't know. I just
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  Speaker 1: have this Friday vibe. I'm gonna be really depressed about
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  Speaker 1: it later, I think. But okay, so I do want
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  Speaker 1: to put a content warning on this one. We are
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  Speaker 1: talking about weights and weight loss and anxiety around weight
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  Speaker 1: and weight loss, I would say, and also disclaimer, I
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  Speaker 1: don't normally I think because we've sort of switched around,
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  Speaker 1: like the Monday Mini some stuff we would normally put
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  Speaker 1: in the Monday Mini is sort of getting put into
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  Speaker 1: the happy hour sometimes, So this is a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more written out than I would normally do for a
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  Speaker 1: happy hour, but it is still pretty much my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: so I want to put that out there. And also disclaimer,
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  Speaker 1: this is really tricky to talk about, and yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: am speaking from my own thoughts and experiences, and we
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  Speaker 1: are planning on doing a whole episode on this eventually.
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  Speaker 1: It's been on our list for a long time. We'll
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  Speaker 1: get to it, but for now, these are some thoughts
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  Speaker 1: and anxieties I am having about things like ozempic and
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  Speaker 1: how popular they're becoming. Okay, so first of all, there
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  Speaker 1: are a lot of reasons people will use something like
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  Speaker 1: ozempic for their health or for whatever it is. There's
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  Speaker 1: like a variety of things and ultimately it's your choice
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  Speaker 1: to make and I don't want to take that away
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  Speaker 1: at all. That's not what I'm trying to do, but
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  Speaker 1: I guess, like when it comes to my own anxiety,
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  Speaker 1: I've I now know several people, like people who are
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  Speaker 1: close to me who are taking ozembic or we govy
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  Speaker 1: or whatever in that kind of weight loss. Well, it's
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  Speaker 1: being termed as like weight loss right, but as we know,
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  Speaker 1: it does do a bunch of other stuff. That's what
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  Speaker 1: it was originally made for, but it has given me.
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  Speaker 1: I just get really anxious about it, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: ultimately it's not really my business. I just want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about why I have the anxiety, and that a
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  Speaker 1: lot of this I'm projecting my own stuff, so okay,
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  Speaker 1: disclaim or disclaimer disclaimer. The main issue I really have
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  Speaker 1: is societal because I can't blame people and largely women
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  Speaker 1: in this case, for wanting something that has been promised
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  Speaker 1: to help them lose weight because that sounds nice. I
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  Speaker 1: honestly would want it to sometimes I do want it.
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  Speaker 1: But we've talked about this a lot before on the show.
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  Speaker 1: It's messy to untangle what society has taught us when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to what we should look like versus what
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  Speaker 1: we actually want versus what is actually healthy, and very
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  Speaker 1: very selfishly, I'm kind of annoyed. I feel bad admitting this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of annoyed that I spent years, years counting
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  Speaker 1: calories and waking about the crack of dawn to run
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  Speaker 1: and to exercise before I went to work, to look
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  Speaker 1: a certain way, and now it feels like people are
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  Speaker 1: just taking a medication. I know, I'm terrible, it's the worst.
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  Speaker 1: But before you yell at me, it was also privileged
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  Speaker 1: of me to have the ability to take that time
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  Speaker 1: to exercise and to get like healthy food already, even
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  Speaker 1: have time to eat, which I'm now struggling with. I
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  Speaker 1: get so caught up in things I just forget, and
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  Speaker 1: so I want to make that clear. This is a
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  Speaker 1: very selfish, not good, toxic thought, but I do have it.
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  Speaker 1: There are also genetics involved, like we can't deny that too.
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  Speaker 1: No one asked me to wake up at the crack
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  Speaker 1: of dawn and do all of these things. There were
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  Speaker 1: societal pressures around it and around women and desirability, but
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  Speaker 1: no one in my life, right except one guy, but
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  Speaker 1: no one in my life one guy I dated, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: no we didn't last long. But they weren't asking me
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  Speaker 1: to do that, and in fact, they were very complimentary,
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  Speaker 1: like good for you. So I want to make that
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  Speaker 1: clear too, And I do have I've talked about this before.
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  Speaker 1: I have bad coping mechanisms that can look healthy on
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  Speaker 1: the outside, and this this whole thing was one for me,
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  Speaker 1: and I do like I love I did love it.
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  Speaker 1: I loved exercising, I loved brending, I loved being outside.
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  Speaker 1: But I just took it too far. And that's kind
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  Speaker 1: of my problem. I do that with a lot of stuff,
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  Speaker 1: with coping mechanisms. But yes, there is a part of
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  Speaker 1: me that is feeling frustrated and anxious because not only
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  Speaker 1: did I not appreciate my traditionally desirable thin body at
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  Speaker 1: the time when I had it. Now I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting left behind. Now, I feel like like I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to wake up one day and I'm, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the only one who hasn't been taking this medication, which
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  Speaker 1: I know is also a little ridiculous. But to reiterate,
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  Speaker 1: I want to be clear. You can do all the
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  Speaker 1: things I just mentioned, like running all the time and
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  Speaker 1: eating correctly and not lose weight. But that is something
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  Speaker 1: that can happen, and in my case it did. It
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  Speaker 1: did work, but looking back, it just wasn't sustainable. I
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  Speaker 1: did do it for years, but there's no way I
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  Speaker 1: could have kept doing it. I mean, I try to
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  Speaker 1: get back into it during after the pandemic, and as
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  Speaker 1: my good friend told me, your body will remember what
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  Speaker 1: you put it through. And the body does, and the
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  Speaker 1: old nies are like, Nope, no way, and I went
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  Speaker 1: to years of physical therapy for in years. Another thing
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  Speaker 1: that's really heavy on my heart about this whole thing
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  Speaker 1: is the ramifications. This is what really concerns me of
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  Speaker 1: kind of the who can afford this aspects because it's
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  Speaker 1: not everybody can and even though the prices have gone down,
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  Speaker 1: still expensive, not everybody can afford it. And also the
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  Speaker 1: ramifications when it comes to body positivity or just how
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  Speaker 1: we feel around bodies that look bodies that aren't the
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  Speaker 1: traditional thinness that is unfortunately coming back in. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: concerned that people with the money to access these medications
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  Speaker 1: will while those who don't have the money won't can't,
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  Speaker 1: and it will reinforce these kind of classiest lines and
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  Speaker 1: thinness as the quote superior body type. And there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot being written about this right now. This kind of
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  Speaker 1: all came up for me. I've been thinking about it
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  Speaker 1: for a while, but I was telling Samantha when I
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  Speaker 1: was watching the Olympics, there were a lot about like
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  Speaker 1: every ad almost was for one of these drugs, and
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  Speaker 1: I just was thinking, I feel like we're in some
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  Speaker 1: kind of shift that I'm not sure we're shifting where
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  Speaker 1: we should be shifting. Yeah, and I can admit that
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  Speaker 1: I am jealous. Like I said, it's nice to think,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm also scared of the side effects. That's that's true.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's not like I couldn't take it. I
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  Speaker 1: honestly don't want to. So all of this is on me.
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  Speaker 1: Like I like, I don't want to do it. I've
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  Speaker 1: also not really doing other things to like make my
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  Speaker 1: life healthier. I keep trying, and like two days later,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, but these are all my decisions. These are
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  Speaker 1: all the decisions I'm making. But I think it's that
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  Speaker 1: societal pressure that it feels like it's weighing down on me.
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  Speaker 1: And it feels like one day it's going to come
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  Speaker 1: back and bite me that I didn't partake. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't like what that says about me, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: like how that makes me feel. It's like dredging up
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  Speaker 1: some stuff that I really, I really don't want that
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  Speaker 1: to come back. I was trying to shake that stuff
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  Speaker 1: off and I thought, you know, maybe I had, but
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  Speaker 1: now here it is. It also makes me this is
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  Speaker 1: a problem I've always had, it's just been amplified by this.
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  Speaker 1: It makes me more anxious about food around people like
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  Speaker 1: I no longer feel very I wouldn't like text somebody
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  Speaker 1: who I knew was taking something like that, like I
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  Speaker 1: want French fries. I would never do it anymore. Like again,
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  Speaker 1: that's a me thing and not a them thing. But
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  Speaker 1: I have always had that problem and that makes me sad.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, ultimately, I'm afraid we're just moving
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  Speaker 1: into a new world standard. I mean they're already talking
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  Speaker 1: about like restaurants are changing their menus based on this
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  Speaker 1: whole thing, which I'm not necessarily opposed to at all,
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  Speaker 1: but those changes are happening. So I'm just I'm worried
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  Speaker 1: about it and what it might mean. And I'm worried
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  Speaker 1: I'll get left behind. But maybe I don't know, maybe
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  Speaker 1: it'll be fine. Maybe I'm overthinking all this.
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  Speaker 2: Your words, you'll be left behind as in like that
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  Speaker 2: you're not losing weight or.
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  Speaker 1: How Yeah, Like suddenly everybody I know is going to
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  Speaker 1: be like the traditional thin body type and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to be, which again makes me feel really terrible
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  Speaker 1: about myself because what does that say? But it's just
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  Speaker 1: that like social the value, the social value you get
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  Speaker 1: from that. If we are going back to this, like
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  Speaker 1: tossing body positivity out the window. Then it does feel
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  Speaker 1: like a diminishing of your value if that's what we
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  Speaker 1: as a society are saying is the norm and what
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  Speaker 1: it is good and which I hate, I don't like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't like. I have these thoughts, but I also,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, I can't blame people, because it is
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  Speaker 1: true that historically we have value than this. So it's
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  Speaker 1: it's a complicated situation. That's why we when we do
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  Speaker 1: the episode, that one's going to take it, that one's
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  Speaker 1: going to take a minute to get it right and
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  Speaker 1: to to dig through all the stuff people are writing
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  Speaker 1: about it. But I hope it is clear I'm more
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  Speaker 1: angry at society. I'm not mad anybody. I'm add it
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  Speaker 1: myself mostly feeling some of these things. But I did
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  Speaker 1: want to express it because I think some people might
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  Speaker 1: be struggling with it too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you and I talked about that the many ads
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  Speaker 2: we get for private organizations that are making profits off
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  Speaker 2: of this, specifically products that are being released without it
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  Speaker 2: being actually studied. The fact that the government does not
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  Speaker 2: care about this product because it brings in profit and
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  Speaker 2: we're not having enough testing. I think there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of conversations we're not having that new back to the
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  Speaker 2: eighties nineties, rail thin supermodel look has been attainable because
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  Speaker 2: of products like this, whether it's healthy or not. You
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  Speaker 2: know that again, is that conversation things being released without
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  Speaker 2: studying true side effects, things being released without the talking
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  Speaker 2: about the environmental impact and then social impact, especially for
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  Speaker 2: those who use these types of medications because of diabetes
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  Speaker 2: and health related things and not being accessible to them,
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  Speaker 2: or maybe it is not more accessible, who knows, Like
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of this thin line about what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: And then quality control, Like there's been a lot of
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  Speaker 2: conversations about like the lack of quality control and what
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  Speaker 2: you're actually getting. It is a lot to be said,
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  Speaker 2: Like there's a lot to be thrown out there in
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  Speaker 2: this conversation and why why these these topics are important
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  Speaker 2: and because it is affecting everyone, like everyone is taking it,
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  Speaker 2: we'd see this, but we also know that it's geared
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  Speaker 2: more towards women than any other marginalized group. So it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of this level of like but also, as I've seen,
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  Speaker 2: like many other way things, the minute like you come
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  Speaker 2: off of it, the likelihood of you gaining that weight
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  Speaker 2: back is really high, and then some in an even
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  Speaker 2: more unhealthy way, like the dramatic change.
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  Speaker 3: I also really am sad for people.
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  Speaker 2: And I say this because I went through a whole
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  Speaker 2: weight loss stuff with well Future, and when I was
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  Speaker 2: taking it from my depression and I was like, hell, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I look good, I'm finally down. This is the best
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  Speaker 2: medicine in the world. And then I started having heart palpitations.
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  Speaker 2: I might never never mind, never mind, I can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: But for a minute I felt amazing because of the
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  Speaker 2: way I looked, because of the things that I could
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  Speaker 2: wear and feel more confident in, and so like there's
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  Speaker 2: this level of wanting to be in that place again.
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  Speaker 2: But at the same time, when I gained it all back,
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  Speaker 2: because I neavitally gained it all back, the people who
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  Speaker 2: stopped complimenting me, the people who you know, was all
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  Speaker 2: about telling me how look great I looked every time
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  Speaker 2: they saw me, immediately stopped. And it was so noticeable
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  Speaker 2: to me that it like it kind of I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to come out even less after that fact, you know,
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  Speaker 2: but like this level of conversation is like are you
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  Speaker 2: going to be Can people beyond it? For the remainder
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  Speaker 2: of their life. Is the supply going to meet the demand?
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  Speaker 3: Is it healthy?
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  Speaker 2: Because I've also hard people having heart trouble due to
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  Speaker 2: some of these complications with a medication, Like some people
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  Speaker 2: have more reactions. Apparently Asian people have a really harsh
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  Speaker 2: reaction or no reaction to met Foreman, which is one of.
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  Speaker 3: Those drugs as well.
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  Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, really, I didn't know that,
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  Speaker 2: Like it's all these conversations were being had, but again
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  Speaker 2: everything is being released so quickly, and then coming back
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  Speaker 2: to like what happens if we do go backtrack, because
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  Speaker 2: like is the money marketing scheme.
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  Speaker 3: They want you to be on it for a while.
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  Speaker 2: The industry in itself wants you to be on it
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  Speaker 2: permanently so they can have that subscription service being paid
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  Speaker 2: out all the time. So it is this really fine
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  Speaker 2: line to get to. And then seeing people who once
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  Speaker 2: were really positive like body positive, going into weight loss
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  Speaker 2: journey and I'm like, you don't want to hate it
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  Speaker 2: because you under stand it, but at the same time
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  Speaker 2: you feel kind of sad and disappointed because those people
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  Speaker 2: who were such great influences. But then at the same
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  Speaker 2: time they get the pressure of like, well, there's access
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  Speaker 2: to this, why don't you try this type of conversation too.
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  Speaker 2: There's just it's such a deep level in conversation in
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  Speaker 2: the study alone, like the scientific look at it, the
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  Speaker 2: resource backed assessment in it all, and then also again
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  Speaker 2: the implications that we see, and yeah, the tugging pull
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  Speaker 2: of being people who seek perfection and feeling like having
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  Speaker 2: a specific body type, looking a specific weight which is
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  Speaker 2: never the standard until more recently has taken over, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and then where do you go fall in line with
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  Speaker 2: that in society.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a complicated conversation in a lot of ways
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  Speaker 1: because it is like you do understand why people are
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  Speaker 1: doing it, and you don't want to judge them for it.
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  Speaker 1: Like I feel like a lot of times when I
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  Speaker 1: see celebrities who have lost a lot of weight, now
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, and it's not a good Like that's
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  Speaker 1: their decision, right, And like you said, there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of pressure. There's a lot of push to do that,
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  Speaker 1: but it does feel very disheartening in some ways. But
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  Speaker 1: then you're like, oh, I can't pin that all on them,
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  Speaker 1: So it's just like a mess. It's like a whole
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  Speaker 1: tangle of emotion.
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  Speaker 2: Where do we go with this, Yeah, there is, and
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  Speaker 2: we do definitely want to talk about it because also
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  Speaker 2: how do we have this discussion and also we have
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  Speaker 2: to talk about the fact that the main spiriteness behind
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  Speaker 2: these conversations as well in judgments, there's the damned if
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  Speaker 2: you do, damned if you don't, and people with good
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  Speaker 2: intentions are still doing really like harmful rhetoric in these
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  Speaker 2: conversations too. And we could say that about the same
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  Speaker 2: thing with the plastic surgery. I just saw someone who
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  Speaker 2: I hadn't seen, like a celebrity in years and whatever
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  Speaker 2: work she has that done amazing, like blown away about
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  Speaker 2: how good it looks. But at the same time, I'm sad,
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  Speaker 2: yeah that, you know, like she can't just be but
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  Speaker 2: you can tell in what she speaks and how she
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  Speaker 2: speaks she feels great and she feels like she can
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  Speaker 2: come out and doing, you know, even though she looks
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  Speaker 2: this good. I'm telling you, she looks like she's in
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  Speaker 2: her thirties, like and she's in her fifties. I'm like, well, damn,
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  Speaker 2: but now we know part of this conversation. When she
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  Speaker 2: was an it girl back then, she's no longer the
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  Speaker 2: it girl. Now she's the Grandma. Now she's like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: all these characters that she never thought she'd have to
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  Speaker 2: play or never thought about playing, and now she's back
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  Speaker 2: to that. And even with looking that good, she will
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  Speaker 2: never be place in a younger role type of thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's such a like blatant tight rope that people have
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  Speaker 2: to ride and not knowing how to do this. But
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  Speaker 2: at the same time, the changes are very significant and
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  Speaker 2: people notice it and can't help but notice it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so how do you walk that line? It's such a
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  Speaker 2: hard place in this whole depth of conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean people are waiting for women to fail.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that they are waiting for you. They're going
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  Speaker 1: to make fun of you as you get older, and
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  Speaker 1: they're going to make fun of you if you take
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  Speaker 1: steps to look like you haven't gotten older. I believe
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  Speaker 1: that completely. And I guess that goes back to the
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  Speaker 1: point I was trying to make is that the societal
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  Speaker 1: part is what really gives me anxiety more than like
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  Speaker 1: a personal like a person I know doing it. It's
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  Speaker 1: that I get. I understand why they're doing it because
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  Speaker 1: of these pressures. It makes sense. I get why actors
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  Speaker 1: do it, and especially women actors do it because you
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  Speaker 1: do get aged out. You're like, oh, you're thirty the grandma. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I mean for a while, this was like ten years ago,
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  Speaker 1: but I believe the average Oscar winning male like actor
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  Speaker 1: was fifty something and the average Oscar winning female actor
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  Speaker 1: was twenty something. Like that's a that's a pretty stark difference.
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  Speaker 1: Uh So, it's like it's a reality. It's a reality
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  Speaker 1: that we live in. But that's what I was really
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  Speaker 1: hoping we were changing. And now I'm worried with this,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna go backwards. But there are people I was
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  Speaker 1: reading some articles about this before we started, and there
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  Speaker 1: are people who obviously who are still doing the work
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  Speaker 1: and who are being the work of just being body
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  Speaker 1: positive and like there's different types of bodies and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But there's a lot of like people out there and
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  Speaker 1: resources and research still happening, so it's not all doom
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  Speaker 1: and gloom. And some people were very well, we don't
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  Speaker 1: know how much how much bigger this is going to get.
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  Speaker 1: We're not sure, we don't know. Huh. Anyway, it's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: It is a lot. It is a lot, and I
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