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Riley Gaines on the Supreme Court Case That Could Decide the Future of Girls’ Sports · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: The Supreme Court is about to decide if your daughter
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Speaker 1: has a future in sports or if she loses everything
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Speaker 1: every time to a biological male. Riley Gains dropped the
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Speaker 1: evidence the NCAA knew what it was doing was wrong,
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Speaker 1: but kept right on doing it anyway. She's here to
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Speaker 1: warn you. If we lose this case, women sports are
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Speaker 1: gone forever. Family, Are things better now than for your daughter?
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Speaker 1: I mean, any hesitation bringing a you couldn't decide the gender.
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Speaker 1: Of course, she's a beautiful daughter, But any apprehension with
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Speaker 1: a daughter now knowing what it is that you've been
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Speaker 1: fighting for for the better part of what is it
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Speaker 1: four or five years now? Something like that, maybe even
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Speaker 1: more than that. But is the world better for Margo
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Speaker 1: than it was for girls and women just a few
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Speaker 1: years ago?
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Speaker 2: The world is much safer, more just more fair, more
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Speaker 2: righteous for girls like Margo now than it was two
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Speaker 2: years ago. And that's pretty strictly because of who we
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Speaker 2: have back in the Oval office, Riley.
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Speaker 1: Was it only two years ago? Are you kidding me?
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Speaker 1: It was just too years ago?
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Speaker 2: I know not even we've seen so much momentum, and
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Speaker 2: we've seen so many victories and wins in the past.
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Speaker 2: I mean, really just one year. I think we're in
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Speaker 2: January now. President Trump was inaugurated last January, and one
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Speaker 2: year we have seen so much movement towards again a
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Speaker 2: just and fair and safe world, which who wouldn't want
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Speaker 2: that for their daughters, for all of humanity, and again
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Speaker 2: largely thanks to people like President Trump, of course day one,
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Speaker 2: signing an executive order declaring there are only two sexes,
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Speaker 2: male and female. I've always wanted to ask the critics
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Speaker 2: of this first and foremost, well, how many are there?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 3: Like, how many sexes are there?
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Speaker 2: If you say there aren't two, what's is there a
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Speaker 2: finite number? And to that point, if there is, then
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Speaker 2: what are they right? They've never been able to answer
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Speaker 2: those questions. I got to stand alongside the President as
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Speaker 2: he signed his executive order barring men from participating in
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Speaker 2: women's sports within any educational program that receives federal fund
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Speaker 2: and Joe, it was one of the most amazing things
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Speaker 2: that day. Because you have President Trump. Maybe you remember,
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Speaker 2: like some of the visuals and images and videos that
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Speaker 2: surface clips on Fox News whatever it was, You've got
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Speaker 2: President Trump surrounded by a sea of young girls, and
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Speaker 2: it was special to me because I had just found out.
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Speaker 3: I was pregnant. No one else knew I knew I
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Speaker 3: was pregnant.
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Speaker 2: And I remember looking at this visual, President Trump, You're
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Speaker 2: surrounded by five six, seven, eight year old girls and
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Speaker 2: they've got their bows in their hair that they were
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Speaker 2: on the soccer field, or their jersey or their uniforms on.
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Speaker 2: And that visual meant more to me than I could
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Speaker 2: possibly put into words. And that's constantly what I think
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Speaker 2: about when I see people like again. You probably remember
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Speaker 2: Governor of Maine, Governor Mills, who thought she had kind
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Speaker 2: of this mic drop moment where she told President Trump,
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Speaker 2: I'll see you in courtA. You've got Governor Gavin Newsom,
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Speaker 2: who likes to sit on the fence or appear to
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Speaker 2: sit on the fence on this issue, kind of winking
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Speaker 2: at both sides, telling Charlie Kirk before he was prematurely
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Speaker 2: taken from this.
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Speaker 3: Earth and podcast.
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Speaker 2: Look, it's really end for it's deeply unfair to have
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Speaker 2: men and women's sports get again. We know his voting
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Speaker 2: record on this. Yes, when those people oppose this issue,
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Speaker 2: I think they're doing it in an attempt to, you know,
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Speaker 2: give Donald Trump a middle finger. But that's not what
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Speaker 2: they're doing at all. They're giving all those little girls
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Speaker 2: who surrounded Donald Trump on that day the middle finger.
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Speaker 2: People like my young daughter, girls like her. That's who
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Speaker 2: they're giving the middle finger to, not President Trump, but
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Speaker 2: because of him. I think we're seeing a more safe
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Speaker 2: and justin fairworld.
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Speaker 1: It's Riley Gaines. Could check out the Rilly Gaines show.
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Speaker 1: She does it twice a week. Go and check it
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Speaker 1: out at Riley Gaines and all the social media. She's amazing.
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Speaker 1: So you're saying, had Kamala Harris won and thank god
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Speaker 1: it didn't happen, that things would not be as good
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Speaker 1: for Margo because under a Kamala Harris or a Joe Biden,
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Speaker 1: or an auto pen or a fill in the blank,
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Speaker 1: they literally just wanted to eliminate women. If there is
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Speaker 1: no protection for women and girls in sports, or it's
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Speaker 1: than any guy, any male, any x y can go
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Speaker 1: and take them on without with total impunity. There is
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Speaker 1: no punishment. You could take them. A woman would never
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Speaker 1: win anything again if they allowed that to happen. Would
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Speaker 1: it have been that different had she won?
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Speaker 3: I can't even fathom what it would look like.
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Speaker 2: And not even just in sports, which yes, of course, right,
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Speaker 2: like you don't even have a women's sporting category.
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Speaker 3: If anyone can be a woman, yeah right.
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Speaker 2: And it's so ironic because they claim to be the
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Speaker 2: party of in for women, you know, fierce defenders of
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Speaker 2: women's rights. How in the world can they claim to
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Speaker 2: defend what they can't even define, Joe, they can't even
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Speaker 2: define what a woman is. And that was re solidified
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Speaker 2: just a few weeks back at the Supreme Court. I
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Speaker 2: stood on the Supreme Court steps as we heard from
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Speaker 2: the inside the ACLU lawyers who had no definition for
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Speaker 2: sex man, woman, girl, boy, male female mother father of
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Speaker 2: course Justice Jackson, who's inside, who famously could not answer
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Speaker 2: the question of what is a woman because she's not
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Speaker 2: a biologist. That's the entirety of the Democratic Party. But
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Speaker 2: it's not just in sports, where I would be concerned
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Speaker 2: for the safety that my daughter would inherit if President
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Speaker 2: Trump didn't win and the alternative did. Think of what
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Speaker 2: we've seen at the border, President Trump shutting down the border,
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Speaker 2: deporting illegal immigrants. Are we so quick to forget the
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Speaker 2: plethora of young women just like Lake and Riley. Of course,
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Speaker 2: she has become I think the most renowned Her story
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Speaker 2: the most well known and has garnered the most media attention,
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Speaker 2: But there are so many other young women and people
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Speaker 2: just like her who died at the hands of illegals
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Speaker 2: who were in this country again unjustly undocumented. At that
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Speaker 2: we have no idea how many illegal immigrants are here
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Speaker 2: totally unvetted. So for that, my daughter's safety on that front,
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Speaker 2: I'm so just grateful. So it's unfathomable the damage, the
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Speaker 2: destruction that would have been done had Kamala Harris and
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Speaker 2: jazz hands Tim Waltz one. And now we're seeing, of course,
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Speaker 2: the fraud that's happening in Minnesota.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well he's in big trouble.
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
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Speaker 2: I saw today where he announced he will never run
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Speaker 2: for political office again. I hope, I desperately hope he
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Speaker 2: will not be able to do that because he will
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Speaker 2: be behind bars. Yeah, he should be behind bars, accountable
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Speaker 2: to the politics and.
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Speaker 3: Of the law.
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Speaker 1: Well, there's so much evidence out there that this guy
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Speaker 1: is dirty, and that his lieutenant governor is dirty, and
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Speaker 1: that Jacob Fry, the mayor, is dirty, and the police
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Speaker 1: chief is dirty. We're going to find all that out
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Speaker 1: for sure. It's Riley Gaines at Riley Gaines. Go follow
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Speaker 1: her over your check out our program called the Riley
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Speaker 1: Gaines Show. Do they just got to Rileygaines dot com?
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Speaker 1: How do they find the show? Every week? I watch it,
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Speaker 1: but I think I see it on YouTube.
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Speaker 3: That's it.
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Speaker 2: You can find it on YouTube at Riley Gaines's show.
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Speaker 2: Follow us on Instagram, Riley Gaines Show. Anywhere where you
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Speaker 2: get your podcast Spotify, Apple Podcasts.
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Speaker 1: Go check it out. Make sure that you do that.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you about when you were standing there
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Speaker 1: next to Will Thomas, six foot four fully of biological mail.
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Speaker 1: Nothing changed, I mean anatomically, he was male. Standing They're
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Speaker 1: naked in front of all of these young women that
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Speaker 1: that deserve privacy when they're changing into the swim swim outfit.
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Speaker 1: When you tied with Will Thomas, a man, they said,
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Speaker 1: he gets to hold the trophy. You don't. Did something
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Speaker 1: click in your head? Riley and I think we've talked
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Speaker 1: about this before, but did you say to yourself, I
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Speaker 1: had this is an inflection point for Riley Gains the person.
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Speaker 1: I cannot because your your your sporting life was just
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Speaker 1: about done. But as a person, you had an inflection point.
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Speaker 1: I just closed my eyes close my mouth walk away.
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Speaker 1: All right, a big dude won the swimming competition. Let
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Speaker 1: me go be a dentist or or I mean, was
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Speaker 1: was it that salient where you said, Nope, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: be loud, I'm gonna be boisterous, I'm gonna make some noise.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be that person. What happens right then? Is
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Speaker 1: it a conscious decision or a moral decision? I know
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Speaker 1: I have to do this, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, I think it kind of goes both ways. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I think more more so in hearing you describe it
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Speaker 2: that way. Honestly, I think back to how I felt
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Speaker 2: in that moment, all the while knowing it was wrong,
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Speaker 2: right Like. It wasn't like I had this epiphany where
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Speaker 2: I suddenly realized it was wrong.
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Speaker 3: No, that wasn't the case.
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Speaker 2: Me, my teammates, my coaches, my family, anyone with a
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Speaker 2: fifth grade understanding of science and biology and a shred
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Speaker 2: of honesty knew it was wrong from the inception of
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Speaker 2: this issue, So there was not necessarily an epiphany.
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Speaker 3: But I remember feeling in that moment like a.
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Speaker 2: Flip or a switch had been flipped, where suddenly I
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Speaker 2: was overcome with feelings of guilt and conviction and responsibility.
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Speaker 1: Wait, wait right, why would you ever be guilty? Why
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Speaker 1: would you ever feel guilt in what way?
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Speaker 2: Because I participated in the farce by me staying silent,
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Speaker 2: I was just as guilty as the people who created
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Speaker 2: the policies and forced the policies. By me going along
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Speaker 2: with it, I was no different than those people.
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Speaker 3: And I think it took.
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Speaker 2: Me ultimately being negatively and directly impacted before I saw
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Speaker 2: it in that light, because up until that point, I
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Speaker 2: just didn't think it was my responsibility.
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Speaker 3: Right, I was the one affected by this.
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Speaker 2: I shouldn't have to speak about it, right, Like there's adults,
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Speaker 2: which I was an adult at the time, twenty one
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Speaker 2: years old, of course, over that, you know, no longer
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Speaker 2: a kid.
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Speaker 3: Although I still felt like it.
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Speaker 2: I felt like there were people in place whose job
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Speaker 2: it was to protect us. Actually they were getting paid
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Speaker 2: really glamorous salaries to protect us and didn't at all.
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Speaker 2: Actually worse, they were the ones who put us in
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Speaker 2: harm's way. And it wasn't until I was negatively impacted
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Speaker 2: personally and directly that I understood.
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Speaker 3: Like, how can I even look myself in.
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Speaker 2: The mirror, Like I have a younger sister and at
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Speaker 2: that point, you know, I could only hope that I
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Speaker 2: would have a daughter of my own one day. Flash
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Speaker 2: forward now not even four years, and here she is.
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Speaker 2: God has blessed us with her. That's what I thought
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Speaker 2: of in that moment.
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Speaker 3: It wasn't about me. This was the end of my
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Speaker 3: swimming career. So I was done.
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Speaker 2: This capped off eighteen years of of you know, dedication
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Speaker 2: and sacrifice, social sacrifice, personal sacrifice, the physical toll, the
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Speaker 2: mental toll, all of that that it takes on you.
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Speaker 2: This capped off eighteen years of that. But I realized
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Speaker 2: at that point standing on the podium, it wasn't about
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Speaker 2: me anymore, and how selfish it was for me to
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Speaker 2: ever approach it in that light. It was about girls
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Speaker 2: like my younger sister or my future daughter, now my
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Speaker 2: very present daughter.
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Speaker 3: It's about her.
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Speaker 1: That's my five daughters. It's about my three grandchildren, who
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Speaker 1: my two grandchildren who happen to be a girls. And
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Speaker 1: I've got a boy as well. But all of that said,
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Speaker 1: it's kind of amazing as you talk about this, because
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Speaker 1: you'll remember, as you and I spoke three and a
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Speaker 1: half four years ago, you said, because I said, Riley,
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Speaker 1: why don't the girls just not jump in the pool?
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Speaker 1: Why don't they just not participate? And you said, well,
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Speaker 1: I mean they practiced their whole lives. I get why
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Speaker 1: they would want to. The very next time we spoke,
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Speaker 1: you said, you know what I've evolved on that they
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Speaker 1: shouldn't get in the pool, they shouldn't participate. Is that
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Speaker 1: the right way? If there are still some factions out there,
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Speaker 1: some enclaves of idiots that still want to have fifty
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Speaker 1: three year old men compete against thirteen year old girls,
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Speaker 1: is the right answer to tell the girls don't participate
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Speaker 1: until they understand you're not going to have an activity
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Speaker 1: if you don't do what we need. What our needs
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Speaker 1: are to feel safe and feel protected and feel like
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Speaker 1: we can actually compete. Are you still there where you
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Speaker 1: say the girls and women should just not participate if
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Speaker 1: they're not going to play by the rules and make
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Speaker 1: sure no boys or no men are in.
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Speaker 2: It's so hard because you're giving these girls an impossible
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Speaker 2: decision right either sacrifice the sport that you love or
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Speaker 2: while standing by your values, or play the sport that
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Speaker 2: you love like you're placing the burden on the backs
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Speaker 2: of thirteen fourteen fifteen year old girls that should have
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Speaker 2: never gotten to that point.
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Speaker 3: But it is.
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Speaker 2: By far the most effective way to say no, enough
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Speaker 2: is enough again, I'm not participating in the farce. Some
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Speaker 2: things matter more than victory, and our safety is one
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Speaker 2: of them. Reality, truth, biological and objective truth, matters more.
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Speaker 2: And so it's what I have called now I've dubbed
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Speaker 2: it as Project Boycott, with emphasis on the word boy
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Speaker 2: And it's been a priority of mine to make sure
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Speaker 2: those girls feel supported because a lot of times girls
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Speaker 2: don't want to do it because they're scared of facing
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Speaker 2: consequence or repercussions, or being pulled from their team, or
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Speaker 2: having to sit the bench the next game. We're losing
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Speaker 2: sponsorships and endorsements, especially at a high level of women's sports,
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Speaker 2: and so it has been a priority of mine to
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Speaker 2: make sure I'm there for those girls, whether that's offering
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Speaker 2: financial backing, which is something that I have done, whether
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Speaker 2: it's being there at the game. I've flown out to Utah,
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Speaker 2: I've flown out to Colorado to sit outside of college
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Speaker 2: volleyball games, to stand beside girls of they as they say,
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Speaker 2: we're not playing San Jose State University because they've got
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Speaker 2: a boy on their team, and I've presented them with
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Speaker 2: Little Boycott medals and shirts and stuff. But again, it's
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Speaker 2: a way to make them feel validated and supported, because
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Speaker 2: I think that that's why a lot of people don't
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Speaker 2: is they feel as if their voice won't make a difference.
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Speaker 2: I'm here to show those girls that it does, and
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Speaker 2: we're in desperate need of it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I love what you said, because that is a
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Speaker 1: balancing act. Like you said, eighteen years you were in
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Speaker 1: the pool becoming the best of the best. A lot
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Speaker 1: of these girls are five, six, ten years in. They've
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Speaker 1: practiced every day, They've sacrificed, you know, playtime with friends,
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Speaker 1: they've sacrificed by eating a specific diet and doing a
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Speaker 1: certain exercise plan, and then at the end to have
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Speaker 1: to make a decision should I get in the pool,
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Speaker 1: should I go on the field, Should I get in
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Speaker 1: that court. It's not fair to ask a thirteen, fifteen,
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Speaker 1: eighteen year old girl to make that decision. Are the
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Speaker 1: higher is the hierarchy in these organized sports now getting it?
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Speaker 1: Are they coming around? I know the UNCAA guy said
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Speaker 1: what he said in front of Congress, and he sort
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Speaker 1: of came around from what you were saying that he
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Speaker 1: was saying for three or four years ago. Are they
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Speaker 1: really buying in that girls and women deserve the protection
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Speaker 1: and the safe place that you need to go and compete?
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Speaker 1: Are we there yet? Are we almost there?
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Speaker 2: They knew it from the beginning, so their stances haven't
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Speaker 2: necessarily changed, at least privately. I think as it goes organizationally,
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Speaker 2: we've seen some progress. The NC double A specifically, they're
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Speaker 2: still total, I mean, spineless, morally bankrupt cowards.
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Speaker 3: They claim, right.
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Speaker 1: Do you know why? I'm sorry, I've got to jump in.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever figured out you've been the center of
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Speaker 1: the nucleus of this entire thing for four plus years?
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Speaker 1: Have you ever figured out in your heart of hearts
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Speaker 1: what that f they want? What can they possibly want
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Speaker 1: by denigrating women and girls in every sport on the planet.
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Speaker 1: I don't get it? Do you get it yet?
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Speaker 2: I didn't get it for a long time until finally, Actually,
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Speaker 2: really this was pretty early on they had their NC
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Speaker 2: DOUBLEA Woman of the Year award, which is the most
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Speaker 2: prestigious honor for collegiate female athletes.
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Speaker 3: It's something that encompasses.
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Speaker 2: Not just your athletic achievement, but your academic success, your
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Speaker 2: community service. Each university gets one nominee. I was the
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Speaker 2: University of Kentucky's nominee across all their women's sports teams,
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Speaker 2: which we had the number.
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Speaker 3: One WNBA draft pick.
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Speaker 2: We have a national championship volleyball team, national championship rifle team,
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Speaker 2: Abby Steiner, who's breaking world records in track and field,
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Speaker 2: and they chose me. I was so humbled, so honored
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Speaker 2: by this until I saw a full list of NCAA
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Speaker 2: Women of the Year nominees and it was not exclusive
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Speaker 2: to just women, because Will Thomas was U Penn's nominee.
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Speaker 2: And so I figured I would go to this conference
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Speaker 2: where they were going to announce the n SOUAA Woman
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Speaker 2: of the Year, but I was not going to go
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Speaker 2: and support.
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Speaker 3: It was a big convention, really, is what it was.
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Speaker 2: And so all athletic directors and presidents and chancellors of
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Speaker 2: universities and athletic staff, all kinds of people, the president
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Speaker 2: of the NCUBA were going to be there, and so
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Speaker 2: I figured I would show up, and I was going
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Speaker 2: to buy a booth in the convention hall. And again,
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Speaker 2: think this was back in twenty twenty two, so just
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Speaker 2: little O'Reilly. I had no idea what I was doing.
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Speaker 2: I was going to buy a booth in this convention hall,
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Speaker 2: and I was going to talk to these athletic directors,
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Speaker 2: because what better way to speak to people who otherwise
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Speaker 2: wouldn't speak to you unless you put yourself in front
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Speaker 2: of them.
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Speaker 3: So I do that. I apply for this booth.
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Speaker 2: I attempt to give the NCAA two thousand dollars of
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Speaker 2: my own money.
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Speaker 3: They say, no, sorry, we've denied you. I use my name.
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Speaker 2: Well, I use I had my name when I'd been
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Speaker 2: outspoken at this point, again not nearly the platform that
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Speaker 2: I have now. But I then applied for the same
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Speaker 2: booth with an alias, and they said, of course, we'll
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Speaker 2: take your money.
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Speaker 3: So I bought a booth.
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Speaker 2: I have these little bracelets made, you know, protect Title nine.
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Speaker 2: I'm passing out to every athletic director, every single person
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Speaker 2: who walks by, and they're winking at me, saying thank you,
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Speaker 2: you keep going, you know, winks and whispers and fist bumps.
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Speaker 2: Suddenly I see the president of the nc double A,
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Speaker 2: who at the time was Mark Emmert.
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Speaker 3: Now it's Charlie Baker.
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Speaker 2: Now Mark Emmert has stepped down largely, I think, because
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Speaker 2: of this issue. And I see him and we make
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Speaker 2: eye contact, and then he puts his phone up to
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Speaker 2: his ear as if he's on the phone, which is
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Speaker 2: like the.
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Speaker 3: Oldest trick in the book. I'm like, I've seen that before.
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Speaker 3: I'm not letting you get off with that. Yeah.
16:56
Speaker 2: No, totally total blooney. And so I approach him. He
17:00
Speaker 2: puts his phone down and I say, hey, I'm Riley Gaines.
17:02
Speaker 2: He says, I know who you are. You keep fighting.
17:06
Speaker 2: And I said, excuse me, how can you tell me
17:08
Speaker 2: to keep fighting when you are the one that I'm fighting.
17:11
Speaker 2: You have to remember just a few weeks before this.
17:13
Speaker 2: I will never forget. I remember word for word what
17:16
Speaker 2: his public statement said, because it's so hilarious, like unironically
17:20
Speaker 2: hilarious to me. Where he said he unequivocally stands by
17:23
Speaker 2: his decision to allow Leah Thomas to swim with the
17:25
Speaker 2: women because it's based in evolving science. That's what he
17:28
Speaker 2: said publicly. Wow, Yet privately he tells me to keep fighting,
17:32
Speaker 2: And so I say, how can you say that? He says, well,
17:34
Speaker 2: you know, my hands are tied. I said, who's tying
17:36
Speaker 2: your hands? You're the president of the incident. He says, well,
17:39
Speaker 2: we don't want to be sued, and I kid you not, Joe.
17:42
Speaker 2: I looked at him square in the eyes. I'd never
17:44
Speaker 2: thought about this before until this moment, and I said,
17:47
Speaker 2: I'm going to sue you. And that's exactly what I've
17:50
Speaker 2: done now. I told him right then and there.
17:53
Speaker 3: And so now he.
17:54
Speaker 1: Says, I'm on your side. My hands are tied and
17:56
Speaker 1: you said, well, I'm going to sue you. Did that
17:58
Speaker 1: wake HI up? Because I don't think that ever came around.
18:02
Speaker 2: He stepped down. Yeah, and now there is a lawsuit
18:04
Speaker 2: Gains versus NCAA.
18:06
Speaker 3: We've just gone into discovery.
18:08
Speaker 2: We have a lot of incriminating if that's the right
18:13
Speaker 2: legal word, uh, revelations that we have found that would
18:19
Speaker 2: make them, I mean responsible for upholding Title nine, which
18:25
Speaker 2: they failed explicitly that they failed.
18:28
Speaker 1: Horribly, but rightly. They could face criminal charges for what
18:30
Speaker 1: they put you ladies through in the locker room. I mean,
18:32
Speaker 1: I'm a big guy. We've met. If I walk into
18:35
Speaker 1: a lady's locker room, that's a crime. If I say, hey,
18:37
Speaker 1: I have a wrong locker room by mistake. But if
18:40
Speaker 1: I walk in and just undress and ogle or google
18:44
Speaker 1: everybody who's getting undressed in front of me, I'm committing
18:47
Speaker 1: a crime. Is there anything there? Are you pursuing any
18:50
Speaker 1: of that or or you know you went through that.
18:52
Speaker 1: And the more important thing is let's make sure we
18:54
Speaker 1: have fairness for girls and women and stop this nonsense,
18:57
Speaker 1: because I literally think that was a criminal offense that
18:59
Speaker 1: lead to Will Thomas did that day, and that the
19:02
Speaker 1: NCAA allowed and pushed.
19:05
Speaker 2: And what you're describing like that would have I mean
19:09
Speaker 2: I would have imagined two decades ago, twenty years ago,
19:13
Speaker 2: every single person in both political parties would have agreed
19:17
Speaker 2: with you that a man like non consensually undressing and
19:22
Speaker 2: exposing himself to women who are also simultaneously undressed, like
19:26
Speaker 2: that's a criminal offense. Like a da would walk in there,
19:29
Speaker 2: follow you, follow the man and there, pull him out,
19:32
Speaker 2: throw him in handcuffs.
19:33
Speaker 3: He'd be in jail.
19:34
Speaker 2: But now, if we even dared to speak about it,
19:36
Speaker 2: the women, we were the ones who faced repercussions, not
19:39
Speaker 2: command again, the six foot four man who who flashed us. Essentially, No,
19:43
Speaker 2: that's like being applauded as brave and courageous and beautiful
19:48
Speaker 2: and whatever other stunning, whatever other you know, virtue signaling
19:52
Speaker 2: words they want to use, totally being misconstrued by the way, right,
19:56
Speaker 2: we're the ones who the who are the oppressors. He
19:58
Speaker 2: just wants to be happy.
20:00
Speaker 3: Why can't we just accept that? Why can't we be inclusive?
20:03
Speaker 3: It's about his life.
20:05
Speaker 2: He could potentially kill himself if we don't allow him
20:07
Speaker 2: to violate us, if we don't let our guard down
20:10
Speaker 2: and feel totally comfortable undressing in.
20:12
Speaker 3: Front of a man.
20:13
Speaker 2: It's about his feelings that matters far more than our opportunities,
20:16
Speaker 2: or our safety or our privacy.
20:18
Speaker 1: It's so sick now, it really is. And I do
20:20
Speaker 1: think that it's criminal. They were really stupid though in
20:23
Speaker 1: how they did it. I'm glad they were stupid. And
20:25
Speaker 1: let me explain what I mean. And by the way,
20:26
Speaker 1: not stupid is Riley Gaines. Go follow her everywhere at
20:28
Speaker 1: Riley Gaines. She's got a brand new program called Oddly
20:31
Speaker 1: The Riley Gaines Show. Go and check that out. She
20:33
Speaker 1: does an amazing job. It's not just about this, it's
20:35
Speaker 1: about everything. And I actually what I do is I
20:38
Speaker 1: watch your show to learn what I should say on
20:39
Speaker 1: my show. Right, I'm actually learning from you so I
20:42
Speaker 1: want every ready to go. I wantever to go and
20:43
Speaker 1: check that out. Had they been smarter, they had they said, Okay,
20:48
Speaker 1: Leah Thomas will is gonna swim against you, but she
20:53
Speaker 1: he they whatever has their own facility where they can
20:56
Speaker 1: get dressed and undressed. Had they been smarter and not
20:59
Speaker 1: put you guys at risk and made you victims the
21:01
Speaker 1: way that they did, might they have gotten away with it?
21:04
Speaker 1: Have they said, there's a private dressing room for anybody
21:06
Speaker 1: who wants to use it, and this guy always used
21:08
Speaker 1: it and you were not put in that sort of
21:11
Speaker 1: sexual harassment if not worse, you know situation. Might they
21:15
Speaker 1: have gotten away with it? Or you are firm enough
21:17
Speaker 1: that this is unfair. It's unfair. What they did in
21:19
Speaker 1: the locker room is discussing it is to the next level.
21:21
Speaker 1: But even if they would have been smart enough to
21:23
Speaker 1: give my separate facility, you still would have pursued this.
21:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, because again there is no if you think about
21:30
Speaker 2: what they're saying in that regard, he's woman enough to
21:33
Speaker 2: compete with us, but not enough of a woman to
21:36
Speaker 2: undress with us like that point, that's just totally nonsensical,
21:39
Speaker 2: Like you're either fully committed to saying he's a woman
21:42
Speaker 2: or that he's not, which again, I can answer that
21:46
Speaker 2: for you both from an objective lens, right, yeah, what
21:50
Speaker 2: is biologically, physiologically, anatomically, chromosomally true. But I think more
21:56
Speaker 2: importantly for myself at least, answering it from a biblical
21:59
Speaker 2: lens where He created us male and female intentionally uniquely
22:04
Speaker 2: in his perfect image.
22:05
Speaker 3: And how amazing is it that we have a creator
22:06
Speaker 3: who doesn't make mistakes?
22:08
Speaker 2: So so what are you saying he's like fifty percent woman?
22:12
Speaker 2: That's just a totally nonsensical argument that would have never
22:15
Speaker 2: been legally withithstanding by any means, and again still violating
22:18
Speaker 2: Title nine federal law that has been federal law for
22:21
Speaker 2: more than half a century. At this point, I was
22:23
Speaker 2: alive when I became federal law. That's old, it is, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:28
Speaker 2: Because you're getting up there, Joe, hello.
22:30
Speaker 1: Duh, Well, Riley, let me take you down this road,
22:33
Speaker 1: because again, this whole thing is is. I think it's
22:36
Speaker 1: coming to a head, and I think the Supreme Court
22:38
Speaker 1: makes the right decision very soon, and I think this
22:40
Speaker 1: thing is done. And by the way, Katanji Brown Jackson
22:41
Speaker 1: should not be on the Supreme Court. If she can't name,
22:44
Speaker 1: you know, what a woman is, can't define it. In fact,
22:46
Speaker 1: even her own liberal counterparts in the Supreme Court on
22:49
Speaker 1: occasion have had to say, are you looking at the
22:51
Speaker 1: right case because the ruling that you just made doesn't
22:53
Speaker 1: make any sense. So she shouldn't be there anyway. But
22:55
Speaker 1: that's not here nor there. But when it comes to
22:58
Speaker 1: the end game here, I think President Trump and maybe
23:01
Speaker 1: a president in advance or a Rubio or whoever the
23:02
Speaker 1: hell is going to be after that, I think that
23:04
Speaker 1: you've got an infrastructure in place now to where we're
23:06
Speaker 1: saying it's okay to tell the truth about biology, it's
23:09
Speaker 1: okay to protect girls and women. If you don't have
23:12
Speaker 1: a definition of a girl or a woman as compared
23:14
Speaker 1: to a male or a man or a boy, that
23:16
Speaker 1: you don't need a title nine. I think we're there.
23:18
Speaker 1: Do you feel as good as I do that we're
23:19
Speaker 1: probably going to win this and we can stop talking
23:22
Speaker 1: about this dumb thing that there isn't a difference between
23:25
Speaker 1: men and women.
23:26
Speaker 2: Man, it's hard to say. There are days where I
23:29
Speaker 2: feel like that. But then you have to think about
23:32
Speaker 2: the longevity of these issues. First of all, I.
23:34
Speaker 3: Mentioned President Trump signing executive orders.
23:37
Speaker 2: That's fantastic, but there's no longevity to that right, those
23:40
Speaker 2: can be undone just legislationship we're written in. Yeah, we
23:43
Speaker 2: need Congress to act. We need all fifty states to act.
23:45
Speaker 2: At this point, twenty seven states have passed some sort
23:48
Speaker 2: of fairness in women's sports law.
23:50
Speaker 3: Seventeen states have defined the word woman in law.
23:54
Speaker 2: Of course, that means what twenty three states don't happen.
23:58
Speaker 1: Thirty three yeh.
23:59
Speaker 2: Act in place to preventment in women's sports, and thirty
24:02
Speaker 2: three don't have laws in place that define the word woman.
24:05
Speaker 2: That that leaves a lot up for scrutiny and for
24:08
Speaker 2: their own interpretation. Actually, many states have it totally backwards.
24:12
Speaker 2: States like I mean, you know, the usual bad actors California, Washington, Oregon, Minnesota, Maine,
24:17
Speaker 2: where they include in they're protected classes under their state
24:22
Speaker 2: constitution both sex.
24:23
Speaker 3: And gender identity.
24:25
Speaker 2: I'm here to tell you you cannot protect both of
24:27
Speaker 2: those things at the same time, like they worked in
24:30
Speaker 2: direct conflict with one another.
24:32
Speaker 3: So there's still a lot of issues.
24:35
Speaker 2: Again, I think four years from now or I guess
24:37
Speaker 2: three years from now, let's say.
24:40
Speaker 3: That I mean, God forbid.
24:42
Speaker 2: The Democratic Party's you know, superstar Jasmine Crockett is in
24:48
Speaker 2: the which is a really yeah, it's a really scary.
24:52
Speaker 3: I don't know who else they have right now.
24:54
Speaker 2: You've got Gavin Newsom, who knows Governor Basher of Kentucky, and.
25:00
Speaker 1: It could all be rolled back if they win.
25:03
Speaker 2: But no matter who it is, it doesn't matter if
25:06
Speaker 2: it's Mom, Donnie or Bashir who appears to be moderate.
25:10
Speaker 2: There is no such thing as a moderate Democrat anymore.
25:13
Speaker 2: At any sort of elected level, local, state, or federal.
25:16
Speaker 2: They are all radical. They are all extreme. That has
25:19
Speaker 2: been proven in their voting records and their unwillingness to
25:23
Speaker 2: leave their base on any issue.
25:25
Speaker 3: They are lockstep on every.
25:26
Speaker 2: Single issue, doesn't matter if it's gender, ideology, parental rights,
25:30
Speaker 2: border crime, I mean, it does not matter. They are
25:32
Speaker 2: lockstep with one another. Almost admirable. It would be admirable
25:36
Speaker 2: if you had no moral compass, it would be an
25:42
Speaker 2: admirable thing.
25:43
Speaker 3: But of course I.
25:45
Speaker 2: Believe you and me and many people on our side,
25:48
Speaker 2: the side of common sense, we do have a moral compass,
25:51
Speaker 2: and so we are willing to step out of line.
25:53
Speaker 2: They're just not because they're evil. They unite behind evil.
25:56
Speaker 2: So I think to three years from now, let's say
25:59
Speaker 2: one of them, one of the people I mentioned, is in.
26:02
Speaker 3: The Oval office.
26:03
Speaker 2: Then I think we're right back to not even square one,
26:07
Speaker 2: because square one would be where we were fifty years ago,
26:10
Speaker 2: three fifty four years ago now when Tittle nine was enacted.
26:13
Speaker 3: We're actually regressing before that.
26:16
Speaker 1: Well, I think you're right. I think you're right. It
26:17
Speaker 1: is a scary thought, and I think this is a
26:19
Speaker 1: very good reason why people should make sure they vote
26:20
Speaker 1: the right way. It's Riley Gaines, go follow wherever the
26:23
Speaker 1: Riley Gaines show. You and I have been friends a
26:24
Speaker 1: long time, four plus years. I think right after that picture,
26:28
Speaker 1: I got ahold of you and we had John. We
26:30
Speaker 1: didn't meet in person until last year in July, and
26:33
Speaker 1: it was amazing, by the way, amazing. You were all pregnant,
26:36
Speaker 1: met Louis. Everything was great. We high five, we made
26:39
Speaker 1: a muscle, we did all that. It was just such
26:41
Speaker 1: a joyous, happy occasion. At the TPUSA event in Grapevine, Texas.
26:46
Speaker 1: Not two months later, our friend Charlie Kirk is gone.
26:49
Speaker 1: It shattered all of us, It rocked all of us. Absolutely,
26:52
Speaker 1: there's no really other way for me to explain it
26:55
Speaker 1: had him on the show six times, knew him since
26:57
Speaker 1: he was about eighteen or twenty. The fact that he's
27:00
Speaker 1: gone doesn't make any sense. You and everybody there, we
27:03
Speaker 1: were celebrating, I think, a resurgence and conservatism in a
27:07
Speaker 1: value system that we have here in the United States,
27:09
Speaker 1: and then he's taken out and there's a bit of
27:11
Speaker 1: disruption now, a bit of dismay on the right, on
27:14
Speaker 1: the conservative side first and foremost. I think I texted
27:17
Speaker 1: you the day we found out that he was killed,
27:19
Speaker 1: and you and I are in the same place where
27:21
Speaker 1: we miss him. It's disgusting. It's horrible that somebody being
27:24
Speaker 1: assassinated at thirty one for having ideas is dumb. Where
27:27
Speaker 1: are you now though, with going to events like that,
27:29
Speaker 1: was sitting down and really mixing it up and having
27:32
Speaker 1: a dialogue, even if it's an angry dialogue with somebody
27:34
Speaker 1: on the far left. Are you still doing that? And
27:36
Speaker 1: do you have any comments on what happens now for
27:39
Speaker 1: the young conservative movement? Because he was the leader of that,
27:42
Speaker 1: like it or not, he was and right now there's.
27:44
Speaker 2: A void, you know, I think back to It's one
27:48
Speaker 2: of those moments I don't have many in my life
27:50
Speaker 2: being twenty five now where you'll never forget where you
27:53
Speaker 2: were when I heard the news that Charlie Kirk had
27:56
Speaker 2: been shot, before even knowing that he had been assassinated.
27:59
Speaker 3: It was one of.
28:00
Speaker 2: Those you'll never forget where you were moments at shows
28:03
Speaker 2: inside of a Chick fil A and I got a
28:05
Speaker 2: phone call. I answered the call, I you know, was
28:09
Speaker 2: with a friend, and I say, oh my gosh, Charlie's
28:12
Speaker 2: just been shot. And the person at the table next
28:14
Speaker 2: to me was like, no way, Like it was a
28:16
Speaker 2: totally surreal moment. I will never forget that, I think
28:19
Speaker 2: even still honestly, at that time, there was so much
28:23
Speaker 2: disbelief in shock to it that it didn't even feel real,
28:25
Speaker 2: and truthfully, Joe like I still feel a sense of that,
28:30
Speaker 2: just total disbelief that he's gone, that something like this
28:35
Speaker 2: can happen in such a great nation that we've seen
28:37
Speaker 2: people celebrate it, mostly school teachers and healthcare workers and
28:41
Speaker 2: government employees, which is a really terrifying thought. But upon
28:48
Speaker 2: you know, in the immediate of learning about this, and
28:50
Speaker 2: in the weeks following where you find out more information
28:53
Speaker 2: about what was written on the casings it took me back.
28:57
Speaker 2: I mean, I was like thirty eight thirty nine weeks
28:59
Speaker 2: pregnant about to deliver our beautiful baby girl into this world.
29:03
Speaker 2: I remember feeling so heavy. I remember thinking to myself,
29:07
Speaker 2: had I not been as pregnant as I was, I
29:09
Speaker 2: would have been right there with them. I have been
29:11
Speaker 2: right there with them. I've sat at the proven me
29:13
Speaker 2: wrong table with him and understanding that I could have
29:17
Speaker 2: been killed just as easily as he was because we
29:19
Speaker 2: shared the same beliefs, just as anyone, just as easy
29:22
Speaker 2: as anyone.
29:23
Speaker 3: Who shares our beliefs.
29:25
Speaker 2: And again the case things where it's a person who's
29:28
Speaker 2: clearly enthralled with gender ideology and the furry world and
29:31
Speaker 2: whatever other crazy nonsense that that ensues. Joe, I'm not
29:37
Speaker 2: proud of it, but like I vowed to myself then
29:39
Speaker 2: that I would never go back on a college campus again. Right,
29:42
Speaker 2: thirty nine weeks pay and I'm bringing a life into
29:44
Speaker 2: this world. She's my priority. People all the time call.
29:50
Speaker 3: Me courageous or fearless.
29:54
Speaker 2: Please hear me when I say I'm not fearless, because
29:56
Speaker 2: that scares me. Fearless and and being courageous like you
30:01
Speaker 2: actually can't be both of those things at the same time,
30:04
Speaker 2: because of course, fearless is having no fears. I do
30:07
Speaker 2: have fears. That's a terrifying thought to me. Being courageous
30:12
Speaker 2: is having fears but still doing the thing that you
30:16
Speaker 2: know to be right.
30:17
Speaker 3: And true and good and moral.
30:20
Speaker 2: I wasn't courageous in that moment because I wasn't willing
30:23
Speaker 2: to do that. But it was me seeing other people,
30:25
Speaker 2: especially other young people, who were willing to step up
30:28
Speaker 2: and pick up the mic if you will. That's the
30:30
Speaker 2: analogy that was being used. And well, bringing your daughter
30:34
Speaker 2: into the world, that's when I look at her and
30:37
Speaker 2: it kind of all makes sense, Like, again, that's who
30:40
Speaker 2: we're protecting.
30:40
Speaker 3: That's why this is timely.
30:42
Speaker 2: That's why it's urgent, that's why we there's a moral
30:44
Speaker 2: obligation to use the platforms that we've been blessed with.
30:48
Speaker 2: And so I mean, I've been on ten or so
30:51
Speaker 2: campuses now since Charlie's assassination, but I was really really
30:55
Speaker 2: scared at first. Totally.
30:57
Speaker 1: Well, I don't blame you, because again we went from
31:00
Speaker 1: I think the highest high in July and then the
31:03
Speaker 1: you know, TPUSA was taken off like crazy. Charlie put
31:05
Speaker 1: together something that was unbelievable and almost unrepeatable. But there
31:09
Speaker 1: does seem to be some infighting. Do you rise above that?
31:12
Speaker 1: I see you as a conservative leader. I see you
31:14
Speaker 1: as an American leader. I try to be the same thing.
31:16
Speaker 1: But I'm a different generation than you. The younger generation
31:19
Speaker 1: now does have a void that's being aptly filled by
31:21
Speaker 1: people like you. But like as you said, you're a wife,
31:24
Speaker 1: you're a mom, You've got a life outside of that.
31:26
Speaker 1: This was Charlie's life. This is what he did. He
31:28
Speaker 1: woke up in the morning. It's time to go and
31:29
Speaker 1: do this. Is there somebody who's an air apparent? And
31:32
Speaker 1: what do you think about it? There is some infighting
31:34
Speaker 1: now it's dumb Tucker versus Candace versus Megan versus Nick Fuent.
31:38
Speaker 1: Is this idiot? I mean, don't I don't get it.
31:41
Speaker 1: Can there be a sort of some voice that convenes us,
31:46
Speaker 1: that congeals us, that brings us back together and says
31:48
Speaker 1: we got to get back on track with this movement
31:50
Speaker 1: because this isn't helpful that we're seeing right now. Charlie
31:52
Speaker 1: wouldn't be happy with this.
31:54
Speaker 2: Well, it's so hard because that person was Charlie. I
31:57
Speaker 2: think maybe people could witness it from the outside, but
32:00
Speaker 2: I can say internally, and with having that personal relationship
32:04
Speaker 2: with Charlie, he was the best coalition builder.
32:07
Speaker 3: He was the glue.
32:07
Speaker 2: He was like the connecting fibers of the Conservative Party,
32:11
Speaker 2: and again they prematurely took that from us, which is debilitating.
32:17
Speaker 3: I believe.
32:18
Speaker 2: To speak to this infighting, I'm of two minds. One
32:22
Speaker 2: is to unite, and we have to unite in order
32:26
Speaker 2: to win in twenty twenty six and beyond, so that
32:29
Speaker 2: I believe in one hand. But on the other hand,
32:34
Speaker 2: I don't even think the people that were that I'm
32:37
Speaker 2: kind of thinking of uniting here. We don't have the
32:40
Speaker 2: same foundational beliefs, it seems anymore. I don't want to
32:43
Speaker 2: unite with that. I don't want to unite with the
32:46
Speaker 2: Nick Fuinteses of the world. Some of the things that
32:49
Speaker 2: he said is like, they're horrendous and horrific and just
32:54
Speaker 2: awful things that I don't want to stand beside. I
32:57
Speaker 2: think we should call these things out. And so it's
33:00
Speaker 2: really difficult. You've got people like Candice, who I mean,
33:04
Speaker 2: I guess is attempting to make it appear as if
33:06
Speaker 2: she's the only one who asks questions, the only one
33:09
Speaker 2: who seeks truth and justice, and no one else cares
33:12
Speaker 2: about Charlie or what is good or what is right,
33:14
Speaker 2: which is total blowney. I believe honestly she leads like
33:17
Speaker 2: a cult leader in using verbiage like you know, we
33:20
Speaker 2: did this, or look at what they're doing to us,
33:23
Speaker 2: like it's very cultish.
33:25
Speaker 3: I think we should call that out when we see it.
33:28
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone wants justice for Charlie more than
33:30
Speaker 2: Charlie's widow, Eric Kirk. The attacks that have been hurled
33:35
Speaker 2: her way, it's just really sad.
33:38
Speaker 3: Again, Erica.
33:38
Speaker 2: I've known her, I mean for several years now, and
33:42
Speaker 2: in knowing her before Charlie's assassination to now understanding that
33:47
Speaker 2: she is one of the most compassionate and strong and forgiving.
33:52
Speaker 2: I will never forget being at that memorial and witnessing
33:54
Speaker 2: what I mean, ten eleven days after his assassination forgive
33:58
Speaker 2: her husband's killer. I mean, that was one of the
34:00
Speaker 2: most beautiful and godly displays of forgiveness and strength through
34:05
Speaker 2: that forgiveness that I've ever seen in my life. That's
34:07
Speaker 2: a role model that I want to follow. So in
34:09
Speaker 2: talking about the future, of the conservative movement. I think,
34:13
Speaker 2: and I pray desperately that Erica has a place in that,
34:16
Speaker 2: and I think she will. She'll continue to lead Turning
34:18
Speaker 2: Point USA. It will continue to be influential and effective.
34:22
Speaker 2: Obviously it can't replicate what it was when Charlie was here,
34:25
Speaker 2: but I think it can and is still good overall
34:30
Speaker 2: net for gen Z the next generation, and for the
34:35
Speaker 2: conservative causing for the Kingdom of Christ.
34:36
Speaker 3: Most importantly, it.
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Speaker 1: Is Riley Gains. I think you said it exactly right.
34:40
Speaker 1: I don't want to harp on Candace too much. I
34:42
Speaker 1: know that words just about out of time. Thanks for
34:43
Speaker 1: giving me all the time. But let me just say this.
34:45
Speaker 1: Not a journalist, she's not investigating anything. She doesn't know
34:48
Speaker 1: anything that nobody else knows. None of that is true.
34:50
Speaker 1: But when you're getting two three million views a day,
34:53
Speaker 1: you're making ten twenty thirty forty fifty thousand dollars a
34:55
Speaker 1: day on YouTube, you've got to keep the soap opera going.
34:59
Speaker 1: What bothered me from the very on set because I
35:01
Speaker 1: used to like candas in fact a cute little story.
35:03
Speaker 1: Charlie was supposed to be in my show. He couldn't
35:05
Speaker 1: make it handed the phone to Candas and had her
35:07
Speaker 1: call my show, probably six seven years ago. That's the
35:10
Speaker 1: only interaction I've had with it. But she was part
35:12
Speaker 1: of the team at that point. Since then she was
35:14
Speaker 1: out of the team. What bothers me most about her,
35:16
Speaker 1: and you can comment her not it's up to you,
35:18
Speaker 1: is why would you attack his family? Why would you
35:20
Speaker 1: attack his wife who is the mother of his children,
35:23
Speaker 1: Because if you're attacking the mother of his children, you're
35:25
Speaker 1: attacking his children, and you purport to be a friend
35:27
Speaker 1: of his. I don't know why she had to add
35:30
Speaker 1: Erica Kirk to her conspiracy theories, because if you don't
35:32
Speaker 1: do that, maybe we're going to listen to you. But
35:34
Speaker 1: once you do that, it tells me you don't care
35:36
Speaker 1: about what he left behind. You don't care about his legacy,
35:38
Speaker 1: which tposa is a good legacy, but his children are
35:41
Speaker 1: his legacy, and he thoughts on that. Why bring her
35:43
Speaker 1: into it?
35:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, and not even just bringing Erica into it. Erica
35:50
Speaker 2: flew out to Nashville to meet with Candas right again,
35:54
Speaker 2: like this is a great which I.
35:56
Speaker 1: Was against, by the way. I was against that because
35:58
Speaker 1: I knew what Candas was going to do with that.
35:59
Speaker 1: But go ahead.
36:01
Speaker 2: My whole thing here is this is a grieving widow,
36:04
Speaker 2: and say what you want about how she has grieved.
36:06
Speaker 3: I don't think any of us can put ourselves in
36:08
Speaker 3: her shoes. And let's it's a situation.
36:10
Speaker 2: That you have been in which very very few people have,
36:13
Speaker 2: where you witness your husband be horrifically and graphically murdered,
36:17
Speaker 2: where it.
36:17
Speaker 3: Will live on the internet forever.
36:19
Speaker 2: Right, So, how she has chosen to move on in
36:21
Speaker 2: advancing the cause that he works so passionately and relentlessly
36:26
Speaker 2: for his organization, continuing to build there. I just hate
36:32
Speaker 2: to see how she has attempted to drag Erica down,
36:37
Speaker 2: and not even as much cand as doing that. It's
36:40
Speaker 2: her followers too, like the people who listen.
36:43
Speaker 3: To her show. I just hate it. I hate it.
36:46
Speaker 2: I hate it for Erica again, this is someone who
36:49
Speaker 2: is trying to raise two children. Now. She has a
36:53
Speaker 2: great team around her. She says that all the time,
36:55
Speaker 2: but I mean, she goes to bed every night.
36:58
Speaker 3: Without her husband. So to insid an wait.
37:01
Speaker 2: In some way, shape or form that Erica was was
37:04
Speaker 2: in the know or implicated is just ridiculous and destructive
37:08
Speaker 2: and evil.
37:10
Speaker 3: That's what I think defamatory.
37:12
Speaker 1: I could not disagree with you, and I think that
37:14
Speaker 1: she probably should be sue. She's saying things that are
37:16
Speaker 1: just beyond the pale now and I think a lot
37:18
Speaker 1: of that is certainly defamation, libel, slander, whatever. Last question,
37:23
Speaker 1: let's lighten it up. Do you want Margo to play sports?
37:27
Speaker 2: Duh, She's gonna play sports.
37:29
Speaker 3: I'll tell you.
37:30
Speaker 2: We've seen all the news with President Trump announcing the
37:32
Speaker 2: Trump Savings accounts, which we are are definitely going to
37:37
Speaker 2: be setting up Margo one. That way, she's got an
37:39
Speaker 2: account for when she goes off to college, but she's
37:41
Speaker 2: not gonna need it because she's gonna get a D
37:43
Speaker 2: one scholarship.
37:45
Speaker 1: You think she'll be in the pool or it's going
37:46
Speaker 1: to be up to.
37:47
Speaker 3: Her, you know.
37:48
Speaker 2: I'm it's funny. I I kind of before she was here,
37:51
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, maybe play a different sport,
37:54
Speaker 2: not swimming. It just takes so much out of you,
37:57
Speaker 2: which I'm grateful for and how it's shaped my life
38:00
Speaker 2: and how it's taught me how to be a leader,
38:01
Speaker 2: and the dedication and the perseverance that you learn from
38:03
Speaker 2: playing that sport. But my husband, he was very much like,
38:07
Speaker 2: she's not swimming like yes, yes, yes, he swam at
38:14
Speaker 2: the University of Kentucky as well. His standpoint is he
38:18
Speaker 2: doesn't want to have to sit in a hot, overly
38:21
Speaker 2: chlorinated nadatorium for hours on end to watch her some
38:26
Speaker 2: a thirty second range.
38:26
Speaker 1: It's about mom and dad's comfort. It's not about the kid.
38:28
Speaker 3: It's about it's about being so dramatic.
38:31
Speaker 2: He would like he's totally wrapped around her finger, which
38:34
Speaker 2: is like the sweetest thing ever. And I will say,
38:37
Speaker 2: it has been so fun to watch your husband become
38:40
Speaker 2: a dad Like you. You think you love them as
38:43
Speaker 2: much as you possibly can, but then you see them
38:45
Speaker 2: as a father, and your heart grows ten sizes and
38:49
Speaker 2: it softens, and you fall more in love with the
38:51
Speaker 2: man that you thought you were. You thought that was,
38:54
Speaker 2: you know, impossible. You thought you couldn't love him anymore.
38:57
Speaker 2: Watching him as a dad to her pretty good. So
39:00
Speaker 2: we'll see. We'll see what sports she plays. But she's
39:03
Speaker 2: got some really really big feet.
39:06
Speaker 3: I think she'd be really tall like her dad.
39:08
Speaker 1: I'm like, you need feet to me, We can eat
39:11
Speaker 1: big feet, don't you.
39:12
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly exactly, So we'll see. I think
39:15
Speaker 3: she'll be great. At whatever she does.
39:17
Speaker 1: Outlook contributor, also the host of The Riley Gaines Show.
39:19
Speaker 1: It's out there now, I think on on YouTube. It's
39:22
Speaker 1: just at Riley Gaines. Right, let's start building that like crazy.
39:24
Speaker 1: Go follow her on all the social media. I think
39:26
Speaker 1: you're kicking my ass on TikTok, but we're both over
39:28
Speaker 1: a million, so I'm not gonna complain too much. Are
39:30
Speaker 1: you like a million? Two million? Three?
39:31
Speaker 2: Now?
39:31
Speaker 1: Where are you on there?
39:32
Speaker 3: One point four?
39:32
Speaker 2: Now?
39:33
Speaker 1: Stop it? You blew right back? But I had a
39:35
Speaker 1: million before you. Yeah, I love the hell that happened. Riley.
39:38
Speaker 1: You're amazing. I love everything you do. I just think
39:40
Speaker 1: that you're an amazing mother, an amazing young woman, and
39:43
Speaker 1: I hope to God you can go on for the
39:45
Speaker 1: next seventy five eighty years just teaching people right from wrong.
39:48
Speaker 1: So I think we'll be a better nation and a
39:49
Speaker 1: better people because of it. Thank you so much for
39:51
Speaker 1: your friendship and all this time.
39:53
Speaker 3: Today you're the best show.
39:54
Speaker 1: Thank you, You're amazing. That's gonna do for undshaking and
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Speaker 1: underfraid with Joe PAGs for this time. Another one to
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Speaker 1: dropped very soon