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Talkin' Tundras: All The Weird Shit In Alaska · Hocus Pocus Lack Of Focus

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  With others project a hocus pocus lack of focus.
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  It's a very uneducational podcast that brings you on a
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  newer, divergent journey to topics such as witchcraft, true
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  crime, paranormal activity, and a plethora of shy talk.
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  Today we will be talking about a cold, barren hellscape where
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  thousands of men have just disappeared.
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  And after we finished chatting about Danny's inbox, we'll be
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  talking about Alaska, America's last Frontier.
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  I'm justy and I don't have any puns about Alaska, so don't try
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  and encourage me. Anchorage, ME.
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  I'm joined as always by our Hostess with the most who has a
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  lot of who has a lot in common with Alaska.
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  She's wild, untamable and is often invaded by Canadians who
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  accidentally wander in there. It's Danny.
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  Thomas. And making today's episode a
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  true Alaskan triangle. He's also like Alaska in that he
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  joined our union a little late. And it's all thanks to the
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  Soviets. It's all.
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  Hey, hey, I. Know.
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  Happy New Year to everybody. Happy New Year.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  Happy New Year. We have well, by the time that
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  you listen to this, hopefully Alex will have gotten the memoir
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  that there is a new cast member who is no, doesn't know what
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  he's gotten himself into. Well, he does, because we spent
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  the last 40 minutes trying to set up a.
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  Microphone, yes. So he, he, yeah, he didn't know
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  the, the cursed, the cursed content before he dove in.
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  But here he is welcome. Thank you very much for having
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  me. Glad to be a regular contributor
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  now. Why did you want to join?
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  Great to have you as a replacement for Justy.
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  Thank you. Thank you, Thank you.
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  Thank. You.
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  Thank you. Bye.
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  Bye. Bye, bye, bye bye.
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  What made you want to join? Why?
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  Why are you happily stuck with us now?
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  Because I like talking about weird shit, like, you know,
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  talking about people going missing in Alaska and like, is
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  it, you know, like, is it weird magic stuff?
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  Is it like weird stuff with the Earth?
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  Is it the US government? Is it aliens?
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  It's. Always the US.
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  Is it Sasquatch? Which I got to say you you
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  haven't explored it at all in your show notes.
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  No, no, I I figured we'd get there naturally.
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  I do I. Do the shit out of it later on.
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  Do I love that I've made my own notes?
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  Love that actually. My own research.
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  I was, I was researching this whole thing and when I was
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  making the notes, I was finalizing them a little bit.
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  So when I do the notes, I do them like I'm a federal agent
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  and I'm just like, note, I've read this about the Alaskan
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  wilderness and I just, I just talk.
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  So I have to edit a lot because when I do my notes, it picks up
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  a lot of so like, and so I tried to edit that out as much as
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  possible before I send it to you.
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  But I when I was going through all this and doing the lasting
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  wilderness, I was like, there's a bunch of shit that I know that
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  we can get to naturally, so that will be fine.
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  So you sit there in your house, acting like you are Colin
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  McLaughlin from Twin Peaks. Absolutely, yeah.
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  And it's my favorite thing ever to do.
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  Or I'm just like Stargate. Very, very suitable for for for
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  today's topic. It's crazy.
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  So there was a bunch of shit that he found like while I mean
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  exploring it, which is like there's an Otter man, a man who
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  is man, but also Otter just just bouncing.
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  Like he's already figured that out.
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  Otter Man is a thing. Like it said, it's a native.
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  Well, like if you look at every single, as you know, culture has
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  like the there's something person like we have like SEAL
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  people over here and in like Brazil they have yeah, yeah, we
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  do have SEAL people over here. Fucking great.
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  There's a great movie about it. I forgot.
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  I can't remember what it's called.
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  And yes, it's a great movie. It's a great movie.
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  No, no. Let's start.
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  I've I've never heard of the seal people.
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  Yes, people who are seals and then they come on the land and
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  they turn into people. We also have like the selfie,
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  which like is a horse I. Know the.
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  Selfie and I think actually the seal might be called a selfie as
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  well. It just depends on where you are
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  and what people you're talking to.
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  But like we have like a horse that turns into people and we
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  have seals that turn into people.
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  In Brazil they have. A.
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  You're in an oak. Yeah, you're in an Olga,
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  absolutely not got to do with that.
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  Any thanks for the input. No, what's the thing in into?
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  The West What's the fucking horse in Into the West?
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  Yeah, I know the name of the horse, but what has, what has
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  that got to do? It wasn't.
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  It the ma who died and then she was a horse.
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  She came back as a horse. There were travelers, a collar.
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  Media became like, yeah. Yeah, I think she, I think you
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  watched a different movie. No, I didn't.
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  Have you not seen into the The Mad died.
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  She came back as like the White Horse and then Kalamini was a
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  disgruntled dad who didn't believe in any of it.
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  And then apparently. Wasn't that it was.
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  No. Way.
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  No one of them and one of the Irish lives and then but but
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  like the horse looked at him a certain way and he was like so
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  like off he's like, no, like you're 2 fucking retards.
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  You can't have a horse in an apartment in the flat in a flat.
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  You can't have a fucking horse. And then the horse looks at him
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  a certain way and he's like, that's my wife.
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  That is that's literally how that I remember that movie in my
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  head. And then the horse fucked up.
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  But I was like, no fucking duck. Like kind of the IT was in it.
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  This just reminds me of the funny story that, like, Liam
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  Neeson was in a movie with a horse, and then like a few years
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  later, he was in another movie and the same horse was used and
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  he was like, that horse recognized me.
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  Yeah. OK, Liam, why don't you come sit
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  down and have some soup? Now please, Liam, don't don't
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  stalk the town looking for a minority to beat with a steak
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  and. Don't piss yourself and tell
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  everyone about it. That's actually my favorite
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  story. My favorite story about him was
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  basically like, didn't like his friend got raped by a black man.
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  And then he was like, I was so angry that I went through and
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  beaten every black man ice. No, no.
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  No, no, no, he said again that. He he walked around, he walked
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  around the town with a cash in his pocket looking for a black
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  guy that he would just assume was the person who had done the
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  awful thing to his friends. And he was going to like, beat
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  the shit out of the first black guy that he saw.
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  And he told that story and was just like, yeah, this will be a
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  good story to tell. Yeah.
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  I'm on a press junket so. This is a kids animated movie
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  Liam. What research need to do some
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  hate crimes on the streets of Dublin?
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  The Irish movie about the seal is called The Secret of Ron
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  Inish. And then it's about man, yeah,
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  if you, eh, if you capture the seal takes off its, its skin and
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  it's like a jacket and then it's a human.
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  And if you take the skin away, the seal can't ever return to
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  the the ocean. And a guy, he kind of trapped
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  the seal and he was keeping it. I think it.
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  Was a beautiful woman. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  He was shagging the seal and I believe like I think it's.
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  A story though, I get it. Fiona a Young is a young Irish
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  girl with an unusual family history, including a long
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  missing baby brother. When she goes to live with her
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  grandparents on the West Coast of island, Fiona hears stories
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  about her ancestors, tales that involve mythical creatures
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  called selkies, who can shift from steal to human form.
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  After Fiona ends up on a small island of Roan Inish, her
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  family's ancestral home, she believes she may have found her
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  little brother living by the sea.
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  Yeah, that's the whole synopsis. Laugh Film.
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  Yeah. And yes, our family were in
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  Changers Selkies. Skinwalkers.
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  Hell yeah. I would fuck a skinwalker.
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  I think all. Right.
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  OK, grown in it. Yes, it's, it's not, it's not a
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  bad, it's not a bad movie, actually.
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  It's like very Irish, very, very Irish.
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  Again, nothing like, eh, Into the West and The War of the
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  Buttons. War of the Buttons actually was
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  a fucking great movie. Yeah.
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  Everyone not Irish and you're listening to this?
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  Yeah, sorry. Watch Buttons.
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  We have very few amazing films to come out of Ireland but war
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  the probably is is. Definitely absolute fucking
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  bangers. We've some of the the.
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  We've some of the great actors, Yeah.
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  Oh, actors, absolutely. But films to us they're very
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  like, I mean, and I will say this and one of my favorite
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  movies and I'll say of all time, even though it's it's very, very
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  new, is Banshees vintage sharing and I fucking.
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  I. Loved it, I loved it so much and
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  I love Colin Farrell anyway, Love Brenda Gleeson anyway,
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  Barry Kyon can get the fuck but I remember like I know I
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  remember. It's been on several episodes of
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  the podcast that you're talking about.
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  This I just mentioned that I don't do a lot of things.
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  But I I I fucking loved it. And I think it's because so
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  Brendan Gleeson looks exactly like my late father and anytime
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  I watch any movie with him, I just get really like, I just
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  feel like I'm home. But this movie in particular, I
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  remember going home to my mom and I was like, Oh, we, you
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  know, we watch this film with me.
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  Banshees been a share and I think you really like it and
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  she's like all right, grand and this was I think the last time
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  that I was at home. I was home to visit before she
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  passed away and put this on. She got 20 minutes and she's
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  like this is shite. It's like what nothing's
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  happening. Sure like he doesn't he doesn't
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  like your man. He doesn't want to be friends
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  with your man end of film like why are they still talking?
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  I was like I what she said no, turn it off shite.
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  Don't care, don't care about it. And she hated it so much that
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  the next day when people would like come to the house, like the
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  neighbors would come in Asher she made me watch a fucking
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  terrible film last night. Caught your man Colin Farrell
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  and Brenda Gleeson and Usher that their friends one minute
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  and then they're not the next. And I was like.
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  But it it's. It's art.
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  It's just like what I've. Heard a lot and I'm sure like
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  that like that were like just didn't get.
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  It like it was. Straight nothing.
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  Happens, yeah. I said you don't appreciate good
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  film and good writing, and she's like, no, it doesn't happen.
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  What he's? I'm sure the argument of it's
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  art stood up really well to a classic Irish mammy.
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  I know, she said. She probably just looked at you
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  like you're a fucking idiot. Yeah, she was 74 and she was
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  like, nothing happens. And I was like.
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  I yeah, I don't know how to do. This.
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  To you, I love this. Fucking love that film.
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  Yeah, it's incredible. Film and I, I really do, I think
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  like I remember, so my brother has moved to the States and
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  stuff and I messaged him and I said you have to watch this.
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  And he absolutely loved it. And I, I just think it is just
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  like a certain especially I think if you've left the
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  country, I think it's a huge thing.
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  It's like proper Ireland, even the way that like Colin Farrell
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  and Brad Nicholson speak to each other, it's just like, it's
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  really, really good. So it's certain like it's like
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  basically like the Civil war times, isn't it?
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  And then the sister because she's going off to the mainland
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  to get a job and stuff like that.
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  And it's, it's really just fucking really.
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  Shows like isolation, especially like because it's it's yes on a
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  an island off the course of Ireland when the Irish civil war
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  is happening and they don't understand on the island why
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  they're fighting who's fighting who, what it's over because
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  they're like so. Far out of the loose.
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  Yeah, yeah. Like, well, obviously they get
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  it. They understand what's going on.
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  They obviously get all the Irish papers and all, I think so.
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  But they yeah, them. It's just this silly fight
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  amongst themselves and it it didn't make any sense to them on
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  that little island because they were so isolated and in their
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  own world. And I think that, yeah, when you
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  even when you kind of pick apart with the microscope and you go
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  into the actual relationships on the island, everybody is so
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  isolated. Like you.
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  You have like there are this bunch of people that are kind of
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  forced together in a group on this island that is kind of has
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  people spinning their wheels and going nowhere.
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  And it just the the Brandon Gleason character snapping and
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  me Monday just mean I just do not make my life yes I do not
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  want my life here like I want to change at all.
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  Yeah, actually it's just a fucking great.
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  You haven't seen it like definitely, definitely watch it.
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  Umm, I know it was nominated for a bunch of awards.
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  I don't know if it actually won any.
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  I think it it might have won a couple for eh production and
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  stuff. I don't think I.
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  Think it was the best picture. It didn't get it.
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  Yeah, I, I don't think acting wise it would a lot, but I, I
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  just think it to me, Colin Farrell's best role, best thing
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  he's ever done and. It's like a really like
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  understated role for Colin Farrell because like, usually he
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  plays these kind of like big characters and then this, this
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  guy, he's just, he's just so he's just so.
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  Ordinary and. Like we all, we all know fellas
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  like him, you know, I just. I I will go out and say that
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  Colin Farrell basically played a more nuanced version of the
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  character he played in In Bruges.
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  Yes, very. Very Dougal McGuire, but with
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  like. If he hadn't.
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  Booked her in with gangs and gotten so yeah, yeah.
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  And I was going to bring that back to In Bruges.
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  Just an innocent person like you know.
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  Yes, like in Rouge obviously like it's the same 2 characters.
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  Incredible film. Like if you haven't seen that,
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  definitely one of the best films I've ever seen.
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  Like fucking. Object.
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  Yeah. I'm sorry that I called you an
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  inanimate fucking object. Fucking best apology ever.
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  That's like, does Bruce not present?
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  It would if I was retarded and grew up on a farm.
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  But I'm not and I didn't. So he's just it's so good.
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  Enough about that is Colin Farrell.
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  What were we talking about that sent us into this Irish?
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  Yeah, but we were. Yeah.
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  And but what was the what was the the animal that changes?
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  Oh, the Ottoman. Yeah, the Ottoman.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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  So basically. I was just saying that every,
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  every culture has a version of the Ottoman.
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  Like there's werewolves and, you know, things that change in the
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  stuff. Even Ireland has that kind of a
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  thing. So yeah, it wouldn't be beyond
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  the realms of like someone being able to to change.
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  You have a seal that turns into a person.
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  We have an honor to turn to the person.
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  That's why I say all civilizations came from the same
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  spot. And we're not as old as we are.
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  We're not. We're not as young as we think.
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  And he has. Let's go on to Alaska and not
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  make this about me, an Angel civilization.
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  OK, so I'll just, I'll jump straight into the note.
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  So we've all heard of the Bermuda Triangle basically,
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  right? Everybody fucking knows it.
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  But today we're talking about a different triangle and this one
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  is much colder, further north and much more suspicious.
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  So to compare the two triangles, Alaska and Bermuda, about 900
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  people have gone missing in the Bermuda Triangle in a 200 year
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  period. Put it in the Alaska Triangle
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  that many people go missing not every 200 years, but every two
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  years, lots of disappearances. So it's an area of land that
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  covers 300,000 to 400,000 square miles, almost the size of Texas.
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  And it's home to the tallest mountain in North America, which
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  is Mount McKinley. And then there's glaciers, which
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  I until I was looking into this, had no idea what glaciers
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  actually were and. So.
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  Have you reached this point in? Time I know I.
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  Didn't know glaciers. There, I didn't know.
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  I really didn't know I. Didn't know you are special.
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  Interests as a glacier. I don't know.
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  Yeah, I. Have like.
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  I hate Justy. No, she understands what that
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  means. I do.
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  I. Get it right.
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  But like when I get glacier, I just basically assume like OK
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  like an iceberg kind of thing. But so glacier is a slow moving
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  river of ice essentially, right? That moves on land.
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  I know right? And these things can creep
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  downhill under their own weight and pull rocks and anything else
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  into it, like basically ice cold quicksand essentially.
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  So there's on top of that, there's also avalanches and you
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  can run into like swamps and bobs.
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  Like Alaska is just nature's fucking booby.
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  Trap. Yeah, it's.
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  It's just. Anything.
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  Real wilderness. Anything that can kill you in
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  nature is up there. Like legit and so and then and
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  you've got animals, you've got like bears and you've got like
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  fucking like every, everything else.
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  It just wants to kill you. It's basically like cold
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  Australia. Essentially, you've got
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  Wolverines up there. And yes, Kimberly.
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  He hangs around. He Wolverine hangs around up
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  there, Yeah. Technically he is an alien boy.
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  This. Is where he goes up to like, you
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  know, the like amateur fight clubs up there.
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  And that's so funny. Kodiak bears.
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  Is that the ones that are gonna be?
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  Those are. The big fuckers.
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  That. Are like the ones that are most
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  likely to fucking get like, whereas every other bear is kind
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  of just like what? Fucking sorry, geez.
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  And they just believe they're not really like confrontational
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  bears. I did look into like bears in
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  Alaska and they estimate that there is up to 140,000 bears in
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  Alaska and that includes black bears, brown bears, grizzly
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  bears and polar bears and. You just.
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  You listed them in order of danger as well.
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  So the the black and brown bears are kind of like, yeah, they're
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  fucking dangerous, but they're more reclusive.
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  Whereas you've got like the Grizzlies, the Kodiaks and the
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  especially the polar bears that are just like polar bears all
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  eat that. Polar bears are eh, the, the
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  Earth's largest, eh, terrestrial carnivorous animal and they do
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  eat human beings, but they're also, they've started to breed
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  with grizzly bears. And if you, if, if you look at
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  them, if you look at them with their genomes, eh, if your
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  chromosomes kind of match up, then you are able to interbreed
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  and they're able to, to create offspring.
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  So like there's animals like, you know, like lions and tigers
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  can create lagers or tigons, but they can't breed again.
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  But what we've been seeing with bears, because they've got the
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  same amount of chromosomes now I want to say it's 54 each or that
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  I could be just pulling out of my heart, but they have the, the
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  same amount of chromosomes that polar bears and the grizzly
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  bears and they're matching up to what we're they're making.
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  It's kind of this hybrid bear that is able to reproduce, but
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  the bear isn't really suited to either kind of habitat like the
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  ice or the, the forests like the Grizzlies are, eh, Forest bears
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  and polar bears obviously are polar bears.
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  That's why they're called that. And but they're kind of creating
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  this, eh, this big headed because polar bears have smaller
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  heads for getting into seal holes and stuff like that.
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  And umm, Grizzlies obviously have that massive large head and
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  polar bears have longer claws. Grizzlies have kind of wider eh
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  paws. But you're getting like, eh,
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  with these eh hybrids, you're getting like these polar bears.
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  It's like something that's the size of a polar bear or bigger
• 21:46
  that has the head of a grizzly bear, this massive wide head,
• 21:49
  these huge claws. And they're basically like the
• 21:54
  ultimate predator. Like I'll put a fucking, I'll
• 21:58
  put a polar bear up against any animal on an arc.
• 22:00
  Like, yeah, a big cat, like a tiger might, might take down a
• 22:04
  polar bear because of its dexterity.
• 22:06
  But like, if you have two of these massive fucking creatures,
• 22:13
  you've bred them together. They're now one homunculus
• 22:17
  that's kind of not do with any of its environments, but is like
• 22:20
  the world's best, like predator. It's just a shame that we can't.
• 22:27
  Like they don't really survive out that long in in the wild
• 22:30
  because like they can't eat feels are there too white for
• 22:35
  the forest. You get me?
• 22:37
  So like. Yeah, because I'm, I'm looking
• 22:39
  at a picture of it here now and like, holy shit.
• 22:41
  Like it is just like the two of them like mashed together.
• 22:45
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's.
• 22:46
  An. Insane.
• 22:47
  It's an in simple, it's kind of good for polar bears.
• 22:51
  Like, if you think about like the way we've like a, we're,
• 22:54
  we're white so that we are somewhat Neanderthal.
• 22:59
  Like all of us who are white will have some Neanderthal DNA
• 23:04
  in us because we've interbred with Denis Ovens and
• 23:07
  Neanderthals at some stage. And that's why we are the way we
• 23:11
  are, eh? But it's also helped us to kind
• 23:14
  of survive in the, the colder climate of Europe compared to
• 23:17
  like Africa and Asia. But what you've got there is
• 23:22
  polar bears who are kind of in a really tough spot because
• 23:26
  obviously when you've got your habitat is melting, you've got
• 23:30
  to come down South, further further South.
• 23:33
  So, yeah, to help polar bears survive, they're kind of
• 23:36
  interbreeding. It's not exactly a polar bear
• 23:38
  that's going to be left. But if they're interbreeding
• 23:40
  with these grizzly bears, you're going to have some polar bear
• 23:43
  left in these bears, eh? Or is it?
• 23:48
  The question then is, is it an actual polar bear?
• 23:50
  But I'm very much so gone off on an animal tangent here.
• 23:54
  I really should do an animal podcast.
• 23:56
  But I I am. I do still love that pussy
• 24:01
  focus. But I do I 44.
• 24:03
  That would be 44. But then.
• 24:05
  You get a lot of people tuned into that, but as but yeah, so
• 24:15
  that's that's my take on polar bears and grizzly bears.
• 24:18
  I don't know. I I told this story on the
• 24:22
  podcast before Butler. I don't think she heard it.
• 24:25
  So my ex who was in the Navy, he might well my ex's dad was in
• 24:30
  the Navy, sorry and he would like so very Senior High level
• 24:37
  and would had a lot of like Antarctic emissions and stuff
• 24:43
  like that. So basically their job was to
• 24:45
  accompany scientists of that way, like British scientists and
• 24:49
  stuff and. Not Antarctic then, because you
• 24:52
  wouldn't see a fucking bear in the Antarctic, would you?
• 24:54
  I don't. Know I don't care either
• 24:57
  whatever and somewhere where it's cold I don't give a fuck.
• 25:01
  But umm, so he would go and like basically their job was to keep
• 25:06
  signed it like divers safe. Well, they're fucking doing all
• 25:10
  of their science shit. I don't know, but he had said
• 25:14
  like there is nothing fucking scarier than being down like
• 25:21
  fucking however many meters deep.
• 25:23
  Just basically like watching the scientists, I mean making sure
• 25:26
  they don't die and then having like full blown adult elephant
• 25:31
  seals just fucking charge at you.
• 25:35
  Then would they be leopard seals?
• 25:39
  He said Elephant. I don't know.
• 25:40
  Well, elephants are they're, they're, they are big massive
• 25:43
  fuckers. But the the leopard seals are
• 25:45
  the really aggressive ones who are OK to come at you.
• 25:48
  Yeah, I, yeah. I think I he had said elephant
• 25:51
  and maybe I don't know, but. He's with.
• 25:53
  The big big. Guys.
• 25:55
  Like, you know, they're like the size of a car, like, yeah, he's.
• 25:59
  Like they're. Fucking huge, yeah.
• 26:01
  And that's why when they're diving and like, so it could be
• 26:04
  something like the like the scientist or whatever is like, I
• 26:09
  mean to a certain depth to chip off rock for whatever
• 26:13
  experiment. What he's like.
• 26:14
  I I wasn't, he wasn't part like. The science part.
• 26:17
  Of it, yeah. And like literally that's
• 26:20
  exactly kind of Harry like just basically like he doesn't know.
• 26:23
  He just knows he needs like the fucking Navy to be around him to
• 26:27
  help this go smoothly and safely, basically.
• 26:33
  And he said, yeah, he'd been like charged by elephant seals,
• 26:40
  like whatever the fuck you call them, huge, fucking massive
• 26:43
  things. And that was like, basically his
• 26:46
  whole thing was to keep them at Bay while these scientists
• 26:49
  because like you just they were so big that they they, they just
• 26:52
  see someone diving as prey. They're just kind of like, oh,
• 26:55
  this is easy. Like off we go, which is fucking
• 26:59
  terrible. Like, again, you know, you know,
• 27:00
  my whole thing with the sea, respect the sea.
• 27:03
  I am terrified of of any and all sea creatures in like a an
• 27:08
  autistic way. But yeah apparently elephant
• 27:11
  seals are terrifying. So I don't know if you meant
• 27:15
  luck, word or elephant, but. Yeah, yeah.
• 27:23
  They and he he like he told like such cool stories and stuff.
• 27:27
  So like while he was up that way as well, like apparently they
• 27:29
  like had encountered orcas, which are supposed to be very
• 27:34
  aggressive and violent to other other mammals and stuff are in
• 27:39
  that area. But like with orcas, he had said
• 27:41
  that they just kind of swim around you.
• 27:43
  They're more furious than anything.
• 27:45
  They're just kind of. Seen the new videos of that.
• 27:48
  They've got 7 different. Stuff, yeah, bringing.
• 27:52
  Gifts. Yeah, I love that.
• 27:54
  And like, and it's someone else. Like I saw shared something and
• 27:58
  it was like when we all like closed for a lockdown, basically
• 28:03
  these popular tourist spots where dolphins would show up
• 28:07
  during that time because there was no people, they were showing
• 28:10
  up with gifts because they were like, hello, where is everyone
• 28:14
  gone? Excuse me, but yeah, can I go
• 28:18
  through? But yeah, I've seen like loads
• 28:21
  of that, which is like. Can I cook it down now?
• 28:25
  This is Bob at all. These all.
• 28:29
  These dolphins like turning up with gifts because they thought
• 28:32
  that the humans had left. Yeah, they were like the.
• 28:34
  Humans. The dolphins were like, please
• 28:35
  come back, have these gifts. Yeah.
• 28:38
  Fuck, that's fucking cool. Because they thought like, oh,
• 28:41
  they're all gone. They don't want to hang out with
• 28:43
  us anymore. And they're like.
• 28:44
  They're finding. Like their shiniest things, like
• 28:47
  you could, there's like a I'll send you the post later.
• 28:50
  I but like they were finding like shiny things, like there's
• 28:54
  a really pretty coral and then you know the what do you call
• 28:58
  the big joke bottle glass bottles growlers and because
• 29:02
  they sparkle. So they're bringing up growlers
• 29:04
  from the bottom of this and anything like.
• 29:07
  Really cool. They were like putting them and
• 29:10
  they were leaving them on the beach and then going back
• 29:13
  because they were like, oh, maybe if they come to the beach
• 29:15
  and they see the presence, they'll stay because they were.
• 29:19
  Them there, Danny, by saying this is not what this is what
• 29:22
  the dolphins were thinking. But no, I hope so.
• 29:25
  Oh. It's just like.
• 29:26
  Because they just miss people so much that they were like, and
• 29:29
  they were leaving the mall in the line.
• 29:30
  So all the dolphins knew where other dolphins were leaving
• 29:34
  presents. And then they were leaving them
• 29:35
  there, too, which was like, do you know, they're like, oh,
• 29:38
  maybe if we keep just pulling up the presents, the people will
• 29:41
  come back and they'll hang out with us.
• 29:42
  You know, they were bringing us things that they thought that we
• 29:45
  would find, like, interesting and nice.
• 29:47
  And that's basically how we train dolphins.
• 29:49
  We give them like food, which is like something that motivates
• 29:52
  them, so maybe dolphins have the capacity to train us.
• 29:56
  Yeah, maybe I would go running back to the fucking beach, very
• 30:01
  locked there and I'd be like, my dolphins need me, yeah.
• 30:04
  But like the length of an orca, which is basically just a big
• 30:09
  dolphin, but not basically it's technically is just a big
• 30:12
  dolphin. Like it's not a whale at all.
• 30:14
  A killer. Dolphin.
• 30:15
  They're yeah, but they're, they, they have an EQ, which is like a
• 30:20
  their, their brain to body size, like their, their, their brain
• 30:25
  size. The body size is massive.
• 30:27
  Like it's, it's it, it's we have obviously the largest one for
• 30:31
  like the likes of a great apes and fucking pigs actually have a
• 30:37
  large one as well, which makes me feel very guilty about how
• 30:39
  tasty they are. But like with the likes of a
• 30:43
  killer whales and dolphins, they have the ability to be, eh, self
• 30:47
  aware. So like they do these tests with
• 30:49
  the with the animals where with like mirrors to see if they can
• 30:54
  recognize themselves. And yeah, so they can recognize
• 30:58
  themselves, which is, it's funny because like they've started
• 31:00
  like we figured out that some bird species are doing as well,
• 31:02
  like, but like, so it's kind of not like the be all and end all
• 31:07
  of intelligence. But it's the fact that they kind
• 31:11
  of especially when you look at the way that whales become
• 31:16
  depressed when they're in captivity and they actually can
• 31:19
  think existentially as well. So not just like they don't just
• 31:23
  like your dog when, when you leave the room, the dog thinks
• 31:26
  you're gone forever because there's not an outside that
• 31:29
  room. Like, you know, like, yes, yeah.
• 31:32
  What they did the whales actually have, eh, you know,
• 31:37
  they've they've they've been known to kind of communicate
• 31:42
  beyond where they are because they know someone is like, you
• 31:47
  know, like in tanks in different tanks.
• 31:49
  Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:50
  But like, did they. Yeah.
• 31:51
  They are more intelligent than we give them credit for.
• 31:54
  So the fact that what you're saying there is that like
• 31:57
  dolphins and Wales are training us.
• 31:59
  Technically it does happen. It actually happens when our own
• 32:01
  pets, they kind of like try try their best to train us to do
• 32:06
  things that they want. But it's the same with like
• 32:08
  dolphins and whales. And there is an argument there
• 32:11
  to be made that like, are we the most intelligent species if you
• 32:17
  count different types of intelligence like our way?
• 32:20
  We're too easily LED. Way too easily LED.
• 32:22
  Yeah, well. Like because my, even my cat
• 32:26
  right in the morning knows my alarm, wakes me up before my
• 32:31
  alarm. Like because the cat like
• 32:32
  animals just just know they have a really good sense of time,
• 32:35
  right? But that cat also knows that if
• 32:39
  I'm in the zone and if I'm like doing something like working and
• 32:43
  he fucks with something, he knows that's the only way in
• 32:48
  that moment I'm going to play with him.
• 32:50
  So he'll be like, oh, this thing just fell because I pushed it.
• 32:54
  And I'm like, you fucking idiot. And then I'm up to like sort it
• 32:57
  out and he goes running and he's like, he can't catch me.
• 33:01
  I broke this. And I'm like, are you kidding
• 33:03
  me? I'm like, that's the I'm chasing
• 33:05
  him then for like a couple minutes, whatever.
• 33:09
  But like he knows that that's the only way he can get my
• 33:12
  attention is to do something fucking asshole ish if I'm
• 33:15
  working from home because I I can't focus on him.
• 33:18
  And like, they do definitely know that they can only have
• 33:21
  your attention at certain points unless they fucking do something
• 33:25
  horrible. I know this is eh, my fault that
• 33:29
  we've gone off 1 of this tangent, but let's get back to
• 33:30
  Alaska after a year we will get back.
• 33:34
  When? We just I'm holding in the
• 33:35
  that's how we feel like stop talking about your your.
• 33:39
  Cat because. In my in my head, in my head,
• 33:42
  all I was like, well, yes. And here's and here's how I
• 33:45
  relate to that with my cat. So before I had to catch myself
• 33:48
  before I went down. That road, that's fine.
• 33:52
  We'll go back. We'll go back to it.
• 33:53
  Let's get back on track. Uh, where are we?
• 33:58
  Where are we even talking about? Uh.
• 34:00
  Mount McKinley. Uh, fucking.
• 34:01
  Mamakilly, so glaciers, blah blah.
• 34:04
  So because of all of this, it makes sense that the
• 34:07
  disappearance rate in the Alaskan Triangle is more than
• 34:10
  double the national average. It's not somewhere that you kind
• 34:14
  of really want to go missing. Basically, umm, because you're
• 34:19
  going to be really fucking hard to find.
• 34:21
  But that's exactly what happened to the Douglas.
• 34:25
  So in January 20. OK, give me a second.
• 34:33
  It's January 26th, 1950. Everyone in the United States
• 34:36
  was living in a state of constant paranoia because of
• 34:39
  something called the Cold War. I'm not going to get into the
• 34:43
  weeds of the Cold War because we've talked about it on like
• 34:47
  fucking six different episodes now.
• 34:50
  But basically this is when the Soviet Union and the US were in
• 34:53
  a standoff because they both knew that they had nuclear
• 34:56
  weapons and everyone was freaked out that at any second someone
• 35:00
  was going to drop a nuke. Basically, there you go.
• 35:03
  I think I did a good job and and some in other.
• 35:06
  Things you've ever been. Yeah, I, I, but I think that was
• 35:09
  a good, that was a good thing. That was a good way of
• 35:11
  describing it, right? I think I I got it.
• 35:14
  Yeah, you got nailed. So Alaska was the only thing
• 35:19
  between the US and Russia, which back then was called the Soviet
• 35:23
  Union. So at one time Alaska belonged
• 35:27
  to Russia. All right.
• 35:30
  And then in 1867, America bought Alaska for 7.2 million from
• 35:37
  Russia, and this was called the Alaska Purchase.
• 35:41
  Is this like one of those things were like in 1867 in like the
• 35:44
  value of a currency at the time it was bought for like $5 on a
• 35:47
  handshake? I think so because when I was
• 35:50
  going, so we will do this at some point down the line, but
• 35:58
  when I was going through the whole John Wayne Gacy notes that
• 36:01
  I'm making for a future episode, he basically like would tip guys
• 36:06
  that worked for his construction company $50.00 to have sex with
• 36:10
  him, which in today's money would be worth 400.
• 36:15
  So I I don't even know. 18 was it 1867 you said?
• 36:21
  1867 for 7 million. I don't know what that even
• 36:24
  would be. And like I would say like I'm
• 36:27
  not, I'm not even a guess what I would say it's in the hundreds
• 36:30
  of 1,000,000 right now by today's money.
• 36:33
  But still, if you think about the the cost to what they got
• 36:40
  for their money, it was they've definitely got more out of
• 36:45
  Alaska for what they would ever pay for it.
• 36:48
  I've had. Russia up here, so it was.
• 36:50
  It was $7.2 million in 1867, which is the equivalent to $132
• 36:56
  million in today's money, and they paid about two cents per
• 37:02
  acre. Which is like, it's for nothing.
• 37:06
  Yeah. The problem Russia had at the
• 37:08
  time was a cost problem and America was kind of doing this.
• 37:12
  This is kind of tactical for America as well because the
• 37:16
  Rooskies had like obviously you can see Russia, like the part of
• 37:20
  Russia that was touching Alaska was very much so the Asian
• 37:24
  Russia. So it's not like you would see
• 37:26
  like a bunch of slabs hanging around there like it was.
• 37:29
  These guys were basically what we would probably call Inuits
• 37:36
  were were more or less who are living in Alaska are like a, as
• 37:40
  they call them in Canada now the eh, First Nation people.
• 37:44
  Yeah. So like Russia that was a far
• 37:48
  away from umm from Saint Petersburg or a Moscow or any
• 37:54
  other like Russian city that they could handle it.
• 37:57
  So they were like happy to get rid of Alaska, but also it was
• 38:02
  tactical for the USA, umm, because they wanted the Russians
• 38:09
  out of North America because obviously Russia had a
• 38:12
  propensity to have a wars with people.
• 38:16
  And also eh, communism was eh, the talk of the town eh, around
• 38:23
  the late 1800s. And America really didn't want
• 38:27
  that to be something that was going to be coming into to eh to
• 38:31
  North America. So practically, they bought
• 38:36
  Alaska not just to keep the Rooskies out there.
• 38:40
  They knew there'd be some natural resources there and they
• 38:42
  also kind of wanted to claim more of North America.
• 38:45
  But when they it turns out the oil reserves, the gold and their
• 38:51
  precious gems and metals that you find in Alaska, where when
• 38:55
  they found that treasure trove, it was like, yeah, the the land
• 38:59
  had already paid for itself by the time they threw the first
• 39:02
  oil rig in there. Crazy.
• 39:05
  Yeah. Big loss to Russian, really.
• 39:08
  Definitely. And it will, it kind of goes a
• 39:12
  little bit like full circle when we get to the end of this.
• 39:17
  But yeah, so since it was just a tiny sliver of oceans separating
• 39:21
  Alaska from the Soviet Union, Alaska basically became a
• 39:25
  watchtower. The military started building
• 39:27
  air bases, radar stations and early warning systems in Alaska
• 39:32
  that would warn them in case there was a Soviet attack coming
• 39:35
  over the Arctic. So yeah, a lot of military
• 39:38
  planes flying around, like all over during the 50s.
• 39:44
  One of them was the C54 Skymaster called the Douglas.
• 39:48
  Now, this was a really big military warplane, like one of
• 39:52
  the largest of its time. It had four engines, and it was
• 39:58
  basically like a fucking a flying tank essentially.
• 40:02
  It was like fucking massive. And it was 117 feet across and
• 40:10
  904 feet long. On January 26th, the Douglas was
• 40:15
  scheduled to fly from an Air Force Base in Anchorage, AK all
• 40:19
  the way down to Great Falls, Mt. On this plane there were 8 crew
• 40:23
  members, 34 military servicemen and two civilians, A woman named
• 40:28
  Joyce Abby. Abby Eby, I guess, and her baby
• 40:34
  Victor. So in total there were 44 people
• 40:37
  on this plane. Now, going from Anchorage to
• 40:39
  Montana was not a quick and easy flight.
• 40:42
  The flight path was known to be long and dangerous.
• 40:46
  The Douglas was supposed to take off in the morning, but one of
• 40:49
  its engines needed repairs, so they had to delay it.
• 40:52
  And then finally, at 1:00 PM, the plane takes off.
• 40:56
  It was said to be a beautiful day in Alaska.
• 40:59
  It was -25°. So, you know, perfect.
• 41:03
  I. Don't know what that is.
• 41:03
  Beautiful day. I don't.
• 41:05
  Know. What is that Celsius -25
• 41:08
  Fahrenheit? What is that Celsius and
• 41:11
  checking? Cold.
• 41:12
  And for pretty fucking cold, right?
• 41:14
  Yeah, pretty fucking cold. So the first two hours,
• 41:18
  everything is going good. At 3:09 PM and two hours after
• 41:22
  takeoff, Douglas made a routine report.
• 41:25
  They said they were flying a 10,000 feet over a small town of
• 41:28
  Snag in Yukon and they expected to reach the next radio station
• 41:34
  in around 30 minutes and then they would check in again,
• 41:38
  though everyone's just waiting around.
• 41:40
  The next check in never came and no one heard from the Douglas
• 41:44
  ever again. But still, it was an industrial
• 41:46
  military plane, so people still expected them to land.
• 41:50
  It was kind of like, you know, right, maybe they're still,
• 41:53
  they're still going to land. There could be anything that has
• 41:56
  gone wrong with the system, anything like that.
• 41:59
  They they, they weren't too worried, basically.
• 42:01
  Like, you know, they were like, OK, we've lost contact with it,
• 42:03
  but this is a big military plane.
• 42:04
  Like, this is a flying tank that has been around in one form or
• 42:08
  the other for decades at this point.
• 42:10
  Yeah. But they were just, like, it'll
• 42:11
  be fine. It'll turn out.
• 42:12
  Yeah. They're like, it's, it's nobody
• 42:14
  was really that worried about it.
• 42:16
  But when the Douglas doesn't show Montana, people kind of
• 42:20
  start to panic. So the military launched
• 42:23
  Operation Mike, which was later later, which was named after the
• 42:29
  pilot, Lieutenant Mike. They had a camp and 7000 troops
• 42:34
  in the area looking day and night for any sign of the plane.
• 42:38
  And they found nothing, no signal, nothing.
• 42:41
  Just dead silent. So this plane went down.
• 42:45
  No remote indication as to where they had people out searching.
• 42:51
  Nothing. Nothing could be found.
• 42:53
  And like, it went down, it didn't go far.
• 42:55
  Like in terms of this flight path, like it went down fairly
• 42:58
  soon after it took off because yeah, it was yeah, like they
• 43:03
  lost contact within like a couple of hours, right?
• 43:06
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, not that, not that soon at
• 43:08
  all. And then as well, to have a camp
• 43:11
  and 7000 troops not find anything is fucking crazy.
• 43:17
  Like that's just ridiculous. And so by February 20th, there's
• 43:22
  25 days after the Douglas vanished, they shut down the
• 43:25
  search. Families were told that their
• 43:29
  loved, their loved ones were presumed dead and had they had
• 43:33
  no answers. All 44 people on board were
• 43:36
  never seen or heard from again and their families were left
• 43:40
  with like no closure. The only explanation was that
• 43:45
  the plane vanished. Now I was looking into like the
• 43:49
  search, like this operation like, and apparently like the
• 43:52
  search itself was a bit of a shit show and like they didn't
• 43:55
  have flying patterns. They didn't have like a search
• 43:57
  grade. A lot of the pilots were like
• 43:59
  trainee pilots or like untrained and certainly not trained to fly
• 44:03
  in the correct search patterns required for like the area.
• 44:08
  So like that's very mountainous. It's very like, you know,
• 44:11
  heavily forested. And you would need like a
• 44:14
  certain set of skills to be able to fly over that.
• 44:16
  And the, the pilots that they had for it didn't have the
• 44:21
  skills for it. And even like the, the people
• 44:23
  who organized it, the senior military people, apparently they
• 44:26
  just, they didn't like follow the correct procedure for like,
• 44:29
  you know, you, you break up the terrain, you break up the
• 44:32
  countryside into a grid. And it's like, you know, ABCD
• 44:35
  and so on, 1234 and so on. And you like, you search it
• 44:39
  block by block. And apparently that was not the
• 44:41
  way they went about it was it was a shit show.
• 44:44
  Yeah, even if they had and like if they were the most organized
• 44:49
  and they had donated a grid system, it still is kind of
• 44:52
  needle in a hairs case that kind of soft saw.
• 44:54
  Oh. Absolutely.
• 44:55
  Yeah, but to have like a shoddy kind of a settle then like it's
• 45:00
  just you're looking for a miracle and it was never going
• 45:03
  to happen. Because even like now when like
• 45:06
  the a more modern plane crash like the Malaysia Airlines 1
• 45:09
  like they searching that with meticulous detail and they.
• 45:13
  We can do a whole episode on that because that's fucking
• 45:16
  crazy. But like, some wreckage has
• 45:18
  like, washed up on some like, you know, islands, like, but,
• 45:21
  like, you know, 10, tens of thousands of miles away.
• 45:23
  Yeah. Like, they searched that with,
• 45:25
  like, meticulous military precision, like, you know,
• 45:28
  actual proper, like techniques used.
• 45:30
  And they have found alcohol. Yeah, and it is like it's just
• 45:35
  fucking we can get I I think I've made some notes on that
• 45:39
  for, for later on. But like, yeah, it is just kind
• 45:42
  of fucking insane that there there was nothing that you could
• 45:46
  even like look back on. Like, I mean, I'm the search
• 45:50
  efforts and stuff. There's not a lot of notes on
• 45:52
  those themselves to be like, I mean, it was kind of just a
• 45:55
  checklist thing where it's just basically like, Oh yeah, we like
• 45:58
  can't hear me look, but there's nothing.
• 46:00
  Sorry. Bye.
• 46:02
  Like it was very. Weird.
• 46:05
  Yeah, it was. It was obviously like a weird
• 46:08
  circumstance in in which the plane went down.
• 46:10
  But like, the recovery, like was even weirder because it was like
• 46:15
  they ticked all the boxes, but I don't think they like
• 46:18
  necessarily, you know? And like something like this
• 46:22
  would leave like a hell of a wreckage in theory because like,
• 46:27
  you know, the plane itself is like you said, like whatever the
• 46:31
  wingspan was, like this thing yeah, on Laden weighed like 17
• 46:35
  1/2 tons. Like, it is absolutely gigantic
• 46:37
  playing. It's it's huge and.
• 46:39
  That's. Something that like, so you
• 46:41
  know, there to be like scorch marks somewhere, you know, like
• 46:44
  a part of the forest leveled from it.
• 46:47
  Yeah, and we will get into that later as well, like for another
• 46:50
  another point that we're going to talk about.
• 46:52
  But it's a whole thing of where, OK, so if this massive fucking
• 46:56
  aircraft went down and you're telling me there's not even a
• 46:59
  bolt to be found, there's not a fucking, you know what I mean?
• 47:03
  It's. And that seems to be a theme up
• 47:06
  that way. So anyway, where am I?
• 47:11
  February 20. So yeah, everyone vanished.
• 47:14
  But yeah, big fucking plane that apparently vanished into thin
• 47:19
  air. Well, in 2012, relatives of the
• 47:22
  people lost on the Douglas came together and petitioned the US
• 47:26
  government to reopen the search using modern technology, but
• 47:31
  they wouldn't unless significant new evidence was discovered.
• 47:35
  So the family set up a Facebook page called Operation Mike,
• 47:39
  where to this day they still fight to get the case reopened
• 47:43
  and answers for the families. You know, the craziest thing is
• 47:46
  that at this point, it's been over 70 years and no wreckage at
• 47:51
  all has ever turned up from the Douglas.
• 47:55
  And again, we're talking about a fucking massive plane, as we
• 47:58
  just said, not like a little fucking helicopter where maybe
• 48:02
  you can that can crash into a mountain, you can maybe get it
• 48:06
  fucking covered by an avalanche, whatever the fuck.
• 48:09
  Like it's easy to fucking lose in Alaska of all fucking places.
• 48:13
  Yeah, whatever that was advocate here.
• 48:15
  Like just to go back to my previous point, like whether
• 48:19
  it's eh fucking Blackhawk helicopter or eh eh, playing the
• 48:24
  size of a football field, I do believe it will be very hard to
• 48:28
  find it in Alaska because of Yeah, no, absolutely.
• 48:32
  The fact that it's all vast. But to find nothing at all when
• 48:36
  a fucking plane that size goes down?
• 48:38
  With you that like the the the I do believe that like the
• 48:42
  authorities just came and said, ah, this is pointless.
• 48:45
  Let's just fill out fill out the forms.
• 48:47
  But I do think. That though a military plane?
• 48:51
  I feel like a minute. Friday and someone was just
• 48:53
  like. Ah, yeah.
• 48:56
  Love off unassigned task. But it is, it is really weird
• 48:59
  that like 70 years later, they haven't found like anything in
• 49:02
  the woods. And you think of like all the
• 49:04
  people, but you go like wandering in into that
• 49:06
  wilderness, like, you know, some people look for and some people
• 49:09
  are just up there camping. But like how do you not like
• 49:11
  find something? I think.
• 49:14
  Like you find bodies like in camp spots like.
• 49:18
  Years later, the devil's advocate.
• 49:20
  It's very bad, right? I work.
• 49:23
  For the US. Government.
• 49:24
  No, I don't I. Think.
• 49:26
  They're fucked. But I do.
• 49:28
  I do think that we are underestimating how wild and
• 49:32
  vast that the Alaskan territory is.
• 49:35
  Like like there's cities in Vast.
• 49:37
  Fortunes. But there's there's cities in
• 49:42
  rain forests in South America that have been covered up in,
• 49:47
  in, Yeah, like a ancient Aztec cities that are bigger than
• 49:54
  cities that we have here in Europe and that expand.
• 49:57
  The network of cities, yeah. A network of cities, yes.
• 50:00
  And what? Like connected together by
• 50:03
  actual roads? But they couldn't.
• 50:05
  Find roads, yeah. Because the the the jungle
• 50:08
  overtook it like there was the the stories of guys, eh?
• 50:12
  Like the Spaniards eh Common over there and finding like
• 50:17
  these massive cities where they said like these things like that
• 50:21
  pay the the roads are paved, the gold have got gold all over the
• 50:24
  place. These guys are fucking eh.
• 50:26
  El Dorado. Basically, basically every city
• 50:29
  was El Dorado. And yeah, when they came back,
• 50:33
  like because they couldn't just send expeditions there, they
• 50:36
  came back a couple 100 years later and said that this laptop
• 50:39
  an absolute fucking bollocks because, eh, there's not in
• 50:43
  there. It was really.
• 50:44
  Overgrown again? Yeah.
• 50:45
  Yeah, they, they just didn't see it because it was overgrown.
• 50:47
  Do you imagine if, eh, what 70 years ago a plan is after
• 50:53
  fashion in somewhere where it snows a lot and it's dense
• 50:58
  forest and you know, like even if you were to do a thorough
• 51:02
  search, I don't believe you would have seen a lot of stuff
• 51:05
  there. So like I'm just saying when we
• 51:08
  when we talk about Can you believe they didn't even find a
• 51:11
  bolt? A bolt would be very hard to
• 51:13
  find in the last that was bought for two cents an acre.
• 51:16
  Guys. But what what I meant was that
• 51:19
  the fact that they didn't find the smallest oz.
• 51:22
  Yeah, I want everything. Yeah, No, I get they won't look,
• 51:24
  they don't, they didn't care like they were just like we're
• 51:27
  not spending money on on this, but it was because it's so vast
• 51:30
  and so futile that they didn't bother.
• 51:33
  They're they're looking at this like, look, we're not going to
• 51:36
  even if we do a proper thorough search, we're not finding it.
• 51:38
  But why would we do it? But that's in my mind, that's
• 51:41
  what happened. They just thought it was like,
• 51:44
  just take the loss and move on. Yeah.
• 51:47
  I also just think like, I don't know, I don't think I could be
• 51:51
  in a position where I would stop looking.
• 51:55
  I don't know, maybe that's just me.
• 51:56
  But like if I knew it was like a case of something went down, I
• 52:01
  knew it was in the Alaskan wilderness, I would at least
• 52:03
  make more of an effort to be like, I don't know, maybe that's
• 52:08
  just me. So.
• 52:09
  Who are you though, Danny? Like you know what I mean?
• 52:14
  You're just someone in Ireland just hearing this story.
• 52:16
  Get sympathetic and goes I keep looking you.
• 52:19
  I don't you wouldn't worry about that way.
• 52:20
  I had no device. No, look at the cost, right?
• 52:23
  Don't try to give up eventually. So listen, don't tell me give
• 52:26
  up. Now I'm really looking at this
• 52:29
  right is from APR point of view, right.
• 52:34
  So if you had something that went down, who was it was
• 52:37
  definitely for the US military. OK, it was for like, basically
• 52:41
  the fucking organization that protects the country and its
• 52:44
  citizens, and you're not even going to fucking try and like
• 52:48
  remotely like recover something. I would just be thinking like,
• 52:51
  OK, we have to put some faith back into the fucking military
• 52:54
  even though we're all corrupt as fuck.
• 52:57
  You would. Try a little.
• 52:58
  Bit harder like, I'll take that. I'll take the arguments.
• 53:01
  You know, as a PR point of view, you have to be seen to be doing
• 53:05
  a little bit more to even pretend that your country,
• 53:10
  you're, you're acting within the best interests of your country.
• 53:14
  You know what I mean? Yeah, but you're talking about
• 53:15
  the guys who shot JFK and we will get to that.
• 53:20
  Funnily enough, we will get. To that, but I just mean like
• 53:24
  maybe for the for the time frame there wasn't too much like I
• 53:27
  mean, I guess it's like you can you can go back to the 50s.
• 53:30
  It's not going to be like some fucking tick tock sleuth is
• 53:32
  going to be like, Oh my God, I bet this that there it's not the
• 53:36
  same thing where anyone can even kind of remotely look into the
• 53:42
  findings or anything like that. But I just think if I was a
• 53:47
  fucking scammer for my country, I would put a little bit more
• 53:51
  effort into basically being like, oh, well, we did
• 53:54
  everything we could. Sorry, bye.
• 53:57
  I'm just being like, Oh yeah, nothing up there.
• 53:59
  We stayed for fucking two days and there wasn't a bolt.
• 54:01
  Do you know what I mean? I just feel like, I mean, as
• 54:06
  technology has advanced, I do think like you can probably like
• 54:11
  as technology has, I feel like you can get away with a lot less
• 54:17
  than you could back then. But I just feel like, I don't
• 54:19
  know, maybe I'm just a drama queen.
• 54:21
  I would want to sell it a little bit more.
• 54:23
  I don't think the US military gave too much of A shit about it
• 54:26
  to be honest. Like it was the 19. 50s but we
• 54:29
  will get to the one. PR wasn't really like, it wasn't
• 54:32
  really something that they give too many thoughts about back
• 54:35
  then. Like, you know, they, they
• 54:36
  searched for three weeks, they called it off.
• 54:38
  And like, you know, like you're saying you're in like, the,
• 54:41
  like, deepest wilderness and like, I'm looking at like,
• 54:44
  potentially what the flight path would have been.
• 54:46
  And like, you know, where they're going over, like,
• 54:48
  mountains and fjords into, like, the sea where it's definitely,
• 54:53
  like, frozen over. It's like, OK, we'll have a
• 54:55
  look. But like, you know, the odds.
• 54:58
  You know, it's, yeah, it is a needle in a haystack.
• 55:00
  And that's the thing, I know that it is very, very slim
• 55:04
  chance, but I just think as someone say, I work for the
• 55:10
  government and I know I'm I'm trying to cover something up.
• 55:14
  Just go that little bit. Just go just fucking sugar coat
• 55:17
  the shit out of it. Aliens.
• 55:19
  Yeah. It probably was.
• 55:22
  It probably was, and we will get to that too, but.
• 55:27
  Where would some where would some people say the dog just
• 55:29
  crashed? Right, so some would say thank
• 55:33
  you, I said. I said to my notes.
• 55:39
  So he's reading directly what I said.
• 55:43
  But some would say that the goggles crashed into a frozen
• 55:46
  lake and sank, which is possible, but none of the takes
• 55:51
  in question are like none of the lakes are like that but fucking
• 55:55
  deep like they're not. You would easily like if a plane
• 55:58
  crash you would find it, especially one of that size, you
• 56:01
  would find it. But anyway, the theory is that
• 56:06
  it went off course, crashed into the ocean.
• 56:10
  But many say that it was clear that day, so there was no kind
• 56:15
  of weather that would have caused it to actually crash and
• 56:19
  veer off ports. And if they did, how come there
• 56:23
  was no stress call? The plane did have to repair the
• 56:27
  engine before flying, but even if one of the engines started
• 56:31
  acting up during flight, there were three other engines to take
• 56:34
  over. And again, there was no stress
• 56:37
  call. But even then, two weeks after
• 56:41
  the Douglas disappeared, another plane went down in the Triangle.
• 56:46
  So February 13th, 1950, a huge military bomber plane called the
• 56:52
  Conveyor. Which Con Air is the best movie
• 56:55
  ever made? I just have to put that in
• 57:00
  there. It's the Conveyor.
• 57:01
  It's the perfect fucking movie. So the conveyor, Danny?
• 57:07
  Yeah. I'll do it, I'll do it.
• 57:09
  I'll do it. I'll do it.
• 57:11
  It's fine because the con there, not the con Air, starring
• 57:15
  Nicholas Cage and John Malkovich and the greatest movie ever
• 57:17
  made. The convert B36 was scheduled to
• 57:21
  fly from Fairbanks, AK down to Texas.
• 57:25
  Now, this plane was one of the biggest bombers ever built.
• 57:29
  There were 17 military crew members on board, but the plane
• 57:33
  was also carrying a big fucking nuclear nuclear bomb.
• 57:39
  Now this plane, so this plane you say like how big it was,
• 57:42
  right? So the Douglas, the C54 went
• 57:45
  missing when that was empty, it was 17 1/2 tons.
• 57:49
  This big fucker when it was empty was 75 tons.
• 57:54
  What? And it had a maximum.
• 57:57
  It had a maximum take off weight of 186 tons.
• 58:02
  Like this thing is fucking huge. I think it has 6 engines.
• 58:05
  I was. Going to say what kind of
• 58:06
  engines would have to get that off.
• 58:08
  The fucking has 6. Fucking engines it is.
• 58:13
  It is a flying building. It is fucking huge.
• 58:17
  It's a fucking this is a massive.
• 58:19
  Guy, this is obviously a proper plane then, yeah.
• 58:22
  No, I think this one was a jet engine and then the C 54 was a
• 58:27
  four prop prop engine. Right, right.
• 58:31
  So this one that has the the jet, what year was that that it
• 58:34
  went down in? 1950 it was 1950. 1950, yeah.
• 58:41
  1950 and I had 6 jet engines on it.
• 58:43
  No way. I'm looking at, I'm looking at
• 58:45
  picture of it. It's props.
• 58:46
  It's it's six props but like real high fucking power.
• 58:50
  Props. Yeah, yeah, sorry.
• 58:52
  I I was, I was looking at planes right here when I got excited.
• 58:57
  This is like when did that technology come?
• 59:03
  In we have 6 prop engines. Basically somewhere off the
• 59:07
  coast of British Columbia, three of the planes engines catch
• 59:12
  fire, which, you know, not ideal when you have a fucking nuclear
• 59:16
  bomb on board. The crew was told to drop the
• 59:20
  bomb, released the bomb right into the ocean, and then moments
• 59:25
  later the plane crashed into a mountain.
• 59:28
  Now, luckily, before the plane crashed, the 17 crew members
• 59:32
  were able to jump out and landed somewhere in Canada. 12 of the
• 59:37
  military crew who were on board were rescued.
• 59:41
  One body was recovered later, but there were four people who
• 59:45
  were never found. A couple of years later, in
• 59:48
  1953, remains from the bar plane were discovered or the nuclear
• 59:52
  bomb that was dropped was never found.
• 59:56
  They never found the nuclear bomb which?
• 1:00:02
  Seems bad, yeah. Isn't it like nuclear bombs
• 1:00:05
  missing around the world just like.
• 1:00:08
  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But this is just like, this is
• 1:00:10
  nuts because they just like, dropped it.
• 1:00:12
  They were just like, well, the plane might crash.
• 1:00:14
  Better drop the bomb first. Yeah, that Canada.
• 1:00:17
  Is our disarmament? Drop it on Canada, It's called
• 1:00:20
  Canada. That's their problem.
• 1:00:22
  But like, again, not to bring it back to my ex's dad, who I got
• 1:00:26
  kind of realized I'm probably I genuinely have a really big
• 1:00:29
  crush on. But he used to.
• 1:00:33
  So like, you know, you see when you like all of these fucking
• 1:00:36
  cool video games and like movies and stuff where you got the
• 1:00:39
  floating minds in the sea like this, you know, those cool
• 1:00:44
  things. He actually had one of those
• 1:00:48
  obviously fucking deactivated, but it was cut in half and he
• 1:00:52
  had the bottom of it as like a BBQ pit.
• 1:00:54
  That's class back. Garden really fucking cool,
• 1:00:58
  right? And but yeah, he said there were
• 1:01:00
  so many times that like obviously I fucking pumped him
• 1:01:03
  for questions. Wish I pumped him for more than
• 1:01:06
  that. But I always did ask him like so
• 1:01:12
  many fucking cool questions and he would always kind of look at
• 1:01:15
  like my ex and be like, is she a spy?
• 1:01:18
  He's like, she's fat and Irish. There's no way she's quiet.
• 1:01:21
  It's fine. But I was.
• 1:01:23
  I was. Super interested.
• 1:01:24
  In like I don't know about the bad part but like the Irish part
• 1:01:28
  could mean you could definitely be a spite.
• 1:01:31
  I don't know if you knew. He was at.
• 1:01:32
  War with England for a long time.
• 1:01:37
  And like he did actually, well, original together.
• 1:01:40
  This is a funny thing. He like, so obviously he's like
• 1:01:43
  in the 60s. So I didn't have him on any
• 1:01:45
  other social. I had him on Facebook and he for
• 1:01:49
  the Queen's Birthday when she was still alive at this time, he
• 1:01:53
  commented like happy birthday boss and like post a picture of
• 1:01:58
  her and all of his like old military friends had commented
• 1:02:01
  on it. And I just replied with Jesus
• 1:02:02
  Christ and. He.
• 1:02:06
  Didn't even delete my comment. He just like he called my ex and
• 1:02:10
  he was just like, I like her. She has a brain of her own and
• 1:02:15
  I'm like, Republican motherfucker.
• 1:02:18
  And that is the only man who's ever said that about.
• 1:02:21
  You, these Irish peasants, sure can think.
• 1:02:26
  But anyway, yeah, so he did say so when it comes to like the the
• 1:02:30
  bombs and stuff at that point, he said there's so many fucking
• 1:02:34
  calls daily to the bomb squad to go and like, I think they'll
• 1:02:39
  wash up on shore. So to this day, these bombs
• 1:02:41
  could be from the fucking 40s. And I know that I've told this
• 1:02:45
  story already on the podcast machine.
• 1:02:47
  Again, I don't think that you've heard it.
• 1:02:49
  Right. If you said it on the podcast,
• 1:02:50
  nobody's heard it. That's unfortunately me.
• 1:02:52
  We have 4 listeners, but yeah, so shortly before my mom passed
• 1:02:57
  away, we had like a neighbor who was out walking.
• 1:03:00
  So Wexford town there was like basically a fucking there's
• 1:03:04
  wetlands and loads of people just walk their dog.
• 1:03:07
  So basically he found like a fucking unexploded mine that had
• 1:03:14
  been dropped and it was a German mine and he like took it back
• 1:03:20
  and he used it as a flower pot basically, of course.
• 1:03:23
  And. He he was like, oh, I'll be
• 1:03:25
  ground like for the fucking flowers.
• 1:03:27
  It look lovely and the fucking bomb squad were called and all
• 1:03:32
  this just so it's it's taken super seriously when you find
• 1:03:35
  anything like that and. Well, yeah, like, stuff like
• 1:03:39
  that turns up all the time in London because, like, obviously,
• 1:03:42
  like, it was bombed very, very heavily during the Blitz.
• 1:03:46
  And, you know, with all the development that goes on in
• 1:03:48
  London over the years, Like I was working on a job in East
• 1:03:51
  London and we were digging trenches and we were going down
• 1:03:54
  about two meters. And part of it is that we have
• 1:03:57
  to have someone to examine unexploded ordnance if we found
• 1:04:02
  it, because there is like, there's a map of that part of
• 1:04:06
  East London that shows where bombs have been found in the
• 1:04:10
  past. And we were bang in the middle
• 1:04:12
  of this, like, circle of bombs. So luckily we didn't find
• 1:04:15
  anything. But we did have, we did have,
• 1:04:17
  like, an expert guy on site who deals with an unexploded
• 1:04:21
  ordnance. And so yeah, that stuff like it
• 1:04:24
  turns up all the time. Do you have in the Thames?
• 1:04:27
  Isn't there like a naval ship? There's a couple of ones that
• 1:04:32
  are in there. Yeah, but there's one is it that
• 1:04:35
  has like actually like live. Explosive.
• 1:04:38
  No, no. So this one, it's like way like
• 1:04:41
  off like off the coast. Yeah, it's.
• 1:04:44
  Kind of still. Class does the Thames.
• 1:04:48
  It's the estuary, yeah. Yes, yeah.
• 1:04:50
  There's enough like, unexploded ordinance in it to like, destroy
• 1:04:53
  London. Yeah.
• 1:04:55
  And the Germans sank it and it went down.
• 1:04:57
  And like, it is a heavily like, marshaled area of the sea that
• 1:05:02
  like, when ships are coming and going from it, they have to give
• 1:05:04
  like, the area like a very, very wide berth because like, they're
• 1:05:07
  like, Oh, yeah, you could knock off this and destroy half of the
• 1:05:10
  Kent coast. Yeah, and I remember seeing
• 1:05:13
  that. It's like it's always on like
• 1:05:16
  these just dumb, like disturbing facts tick tocks.
• 1:05:21
  And it's like, oh, there's actually like one single naval
• 1:05:24
  vessel that's like at the bottom of the fucking River Thames that
• 1:05:28
  can destroy all of the UK. And yeah, it is, it's, it's
• 1:05:33
  really interesting. But it's like, again, it ties
• 1:05:35
  back into what we're talking about.
• 1:05:36
  That's like that undiscovered bomb.
• 1:05:39
  Like if something fucking hits off it wrong, like we're all
• 1:05:43
  fucked. It's a nuclear bomb.
• 1:05:46
  And again, we'll, we'll get more into that for what I'm talking
• 1:05:49
  about. So where am I in my notes?
• 1:05:56
  17 crew members, blah blah. So a couple of years later,
• 1:06:01
  wait, am I back on B52? The nuclear bomb was never
• 1:06:08
  dropped but never found. Wait, no, let me just a.
• 1:06:19
  Little bit of Papa. Papa.
• 1:06:22
  For me to see rap for me, she. Gets where she was because she
• 1:06:26
  talks so much shit about a gunship that was in the town.
• 1:06:30
  He said that should worry but I think he meant a delta.
• 1:06:33
  I didn't want to correct him at the time so.
• 1:06:42
  Now she's looking Cold War. Yeah, I can keep.
• 1:06:54
  Going if you want, Danny, you're.
• 1:06:56
  Scaring me. So during the Cold War, some
• 1:07:02
  experts say it's likely both planes had something on board
• 1:07:05
  that made them a target. That was the B52 rock opter and
• 1:07:14
  whatever. You're doing C50. 4 So maybe a
• 1:07:21
  bomb, maybe not, apart from the one that definitely did have a
• 1:07:24
  bomb. So Soviet Union maybe took the
• 1:07:29
  plane out before a distress call could be made.
• 1:07:32
  But it wasn't until 1972 that the Alaskan Triangle officially
• 1:07:37
  got its name. When the FBI tries to cover up
• 1:07:41
  an assassination. So a character that we talk
• 1:07:53
  about a lot here on the podcast is present era John F Kennedy.
• 1:08:00
  Diamond, John F Kennedy. Yeah.
• 1:08:06
  So October 16th, 1972 we're back in Anchorage because you know,
• 1:08:12
  it's just that's just what we like to be an on Alaska Airways
• 1:08:17
  plane is leaving that's leaving for Juneau with some important
• 1:08:22
  people on board. So first we have Congressman
• 1:08:25
  Nick Birch. Second, we have house majority
• 1:08:30
  hail Boggs, which is the fucking coolest name I've ever heard.
• 1:08:35
  Hail Boggs. Hail Boggs.
• 1:08:37
  Hail Boggs So. Those cloches have to do once a
• 1:08:40
  year. This guy's from like, Louisiana.
• 1:08:44
  So like, you know, he was like saying his own name, like hail.
• 1:08:48
  Bob's so a very important politician.
• 1:08:54
  We really have the two. Then we have the assistant to
• 1:08:59
  both of these guys, whose name is Russell Brown, and they're
• 1:09:03
  experienced pilot Dan Jones, which is.
• 1:09:08
  That's Dan Jones. So funny to be dad dot.
• 1:09:14
  Is it not John? John.
• 1:09:17
  John. John.
• 1:09:18
  I know this is Dad. This is Dad.
• 1:09:20
  I thought it was Don John because I thought it was that
• 1:09:22
  the guy who doors of Gordon Levitt played.
• 1:09:25
  No, Don John, that's a great movie.
• 1:09:27
  Yeah, it is a great movie. But no, this is Don dot OK, I
• 1:09:32
  can only say it like that. I hope you say it 12 more times
• 1:09:37
  like that. I can't wait to hear it.
• 1:09:38
  Like that. Dad, dad, dad.
• 1:09:40
  I'm talking about Dad, Dad. So Dad, dad.
• 1:09:49
  They were on route to a political rally in Juno, but
• 1:09:54
  they never made it. Do you know what?
• 1:09:57
  They never made it. I really.
• 1:09:59
  Should not I shouldn't? Go.
• 1:10:01
  Into the temptation because I do drive it off track so much, but
• 1:10:05
  there. Was no, I can't give.
• 1:10:06
  Up on the point. I mean, I know, I know.
• 1:10:10
  And so normally when a plane disappears, there's search, of
• 1:10:15
  course, yes, but this was next level.
• 1:10:17
  This triggered the largest search and rescue operation
• 1:10:25
  operation. How does that stroke taste in
• 1:10:29
  U.S. history? It lasted 39 days, utilized 40
• 1:10:34
  military aircrafts, 50 civilian planes and they covered over
• 1:10:39
  325,000 square miles of glaciers, mountains, coastline
• 1:10:45
  and. Ocean Glacier.
• 1:10:47
  It took a toll. I just can't help it.
• 1:10:59
  You just can't help yourself. Fucking hell.
• 1:11:07
  No, keep playing together. And playing together.
• 1:11:10
  Give context. Here, let Ocean give context
• 1:11:13
  there please for Christ sake. 325,000 square miles of
• 1:11:17
  glaciers, mountains, coastline, and ocean.
• 1:11:20
  As you said earlier, the square mileage of Alaska itself is
• 1:11:24
  between 300,000 and 400,000 square miles.
• 1:11:28
  So they covered most of the gigantic state and didn't find
• 1:11:33
  the other two plane crashes either.
• 1:11:34
  I'm just saying. Gigantic state.
• 1:11:36
  Sounds like my ex-girlfriend. I can't help myself, I'm sorry.
• 1:11:52
  This is why Oliver podcast episodes like fucking 3.
• 1:11:59
  Hours. So by the way, this is what you
• 1:12:00
  signed up for. Now, like you, this is.
• 1:12:03
  This is it. I'm trying to.
• 1:12:04
  I'm trying to pull it back. How good he is at pulling it
• 1:12:08
  back. Like we haven't got tracking.
• 1:12:11
  We haven't talked about anal like once at all and.
• 1:12:18
  But we can now. JFK.
• 1:12:26
  He had a one on his neck anyway. So this fucking flight that's
• 1:12:35
  going to Juneau, AK has a bunch of fucking congressmen on it.
• 1:12:40
  Whatever, I don't know to have house majority hail bugs from
• 1:12:47
  Louisiana, blah blah. He's the kind of he's the only
• 1:12:49
  guy that we need to really kind of know about.
• 1:12:52
  So they were on route to a political rally in and you know,
• 1:12:57
  but they never made it. Now normally when a plane
• 1:12:59
  disappears, you know that there's like a fucking search
• 1:13:03
  blah, blah, blah, but this was next level that triggered the
• 1:13:05
  largest search and rescue operation in U.S. history.
• 1:13:10
  I lasted 39 days, utilized 14 military disks, military
• 1:13:17
  aircraft, 50 civilian planes, which what's the difference?
• 1:13:21
  I don't know but and they covered over 325,000 square
• 1:13:28
  miles of glaciers, mountains, coastline and ocean.
• 1:13:32
  It took a total of 3600 hours of flight time, and some places
• 1:13:39
  even were double checked on foot.
• 1:13:42
  And it left everyone fucking completely puzzled because
• 1:13:44
  nothing was fed. The government was basically
• 1:13:47
  like, yeah, OK, calling it after a search that was cancelled on
• 1:13:51
  November 24th, 1972. So they were basically just
• 1:13:55
  like, yeah, we're not finding anything about this.
• 1:13:59
  So everyone on board was officially declared dead on
• 1:14:04
  December 29th. This was the event that made
• 1:14:07
  people realize like, they had no idea what they were kind of
• 1:14:13
  dealing with. So nobody knows what the hell is
• 1:14:16
  going on over there. And it's basically where the
• 1:14:20
  Alaskan Triangle kind of got its name, because they were just
• 1:14:24
  like, all right, How many fucking massive planes and
• 1:14:30
  fucking aircraft have to go down with no explanation before we
• 1:14:36
  know what's going on? But anybody that's like a that
• 1:14:39
  that like lives under a rock then would just to let them know
• 1:14:44
  why it's called the Alaskan Triangle, because it's a kind of
• 1:14:49
  akin to the Bermuda Triangle where a shit load of planes have
• 1:14:53
  gone down. And, and there is these kind of
• 1:14:57
  magnetic hotspots across around the globe that there is kind of
• 1:15:02
  these anomalies where planes, eh, both things like that will
• 1:15:06
  have gone missing because they will react differently with like
• 1:15:11
  I think it's all got to do with the magnetic field of class.
• 1:15:13
  Like there is a yeah, the dragon triangle eh over eh Japan.
• 1:15:18
  I think the well somewhere somewhere near Japan.
• 1:15:21
  And the Bermuda Triangle as well.
• 1:15:22
  Bermuda Triangle is also known as the Devil's Triangle I
• 1:15:25
  believe. Then there's eh try like the
• 1:15:28
  North and South Pole are also seen as magnetic anomalies but
• 1:15:33
  that makes more sense because of the earths magnetic field.
• 1:15:36
  And yes, yeah, because they are obviously the poles, magnetic
• 1:15:39
  poles. So it's something that we've
• 1:15:42
  covered a few times on the podcast called, um, Thin Places.
• 1:15:47
  Where the technical? Yeah.
• 1:15:51
  I believe it's called thin places.
• 1:15:53
  Thin places. No, I, I just mean like
• 1:15:55
  literally it happens a lot. And it's, it's kind of, it's
• 1:15:58
  defined as thin places. So if you have the Alaskan
• 1:16:03
  triangle, the Rita triangle, all of the Appalachian Mountains,
• 1:16:06
  all that weird shit where your shit kind of gets thrown out of
• 1:16:09
  whack. So your compasses, you know, any
• 1:16:15
  kind of like sat NAV equipment, all of that tends to fucking
• 1:16:18
  play up. You don't really know.
• 1:16:19
  And like this is another huge player in the, as she mentioned,
• 1:16:24
  the Elysian Airlines shit where they flew into one of those kind
• 1:16:30
  of like points where it just fucks with all of your sat NAV.
• 1:16:34
  It fucks with everything. That's kind of like it doesn't
• 1:16:40
  shit can go missing with no explanation basically, unlike
• 1:16:42
  it's again, a thin place. So it's like you go in and you
• 1:16:46
  hear voices, you hear different vibrations, you hear different
• 1:16:50
  things. So it's like it could be a
• 1:16:52
  fucking perfectly explainable explanation, but.
• 1:16:57
  So apparently there is between 90.
• 1:17:01
  Oh my God, fight for my life there before you.
• 1:17:04
  Say there's between 9:00 and 12:00 of these locations on
• 1:17:08
  Earth, These like devil's triangles.
• 1:17:10
  I have more of them kind of out at sea and stuff.
• 1:17:13
  Is if, yeah. Yeah, like, you know, there's
• 1:17:15
  just like a couple of islands around them.
• 1:17:18
  Madagascar has something got to do with that as well?
• 1:17:20
  I think if that's yeah. And it's where there's meant to
• 1:17:22
  be these weird like electromagnetic energy surges or
• 1:17:27
  lack of energy and that messes with like modern technology in a
• 1:17:31
  way that was, you know, like it wouldn't have messed with more
• 1:17:37
  basic technology. It was only when we turn into
• 1:17:39
  like a seafaring when like this kind of and like you're saying
• 1:17:42
  A10 place, it's, you know, it's like a thin veil between our
• 1:17:46
  world and the other world or, you know, like between like us
• 1:17:49
  and the spirit world. And that is possibly what like
• 1:17:54
  causes this interference. But hey, that's the eh kind of
• 1:18:00
  like, especially when he's talking about the Appalachians
• 1:18:02
  and what they talk about with Alaska as well, and what we talk
• 1:18:06
  about in Ireland as well with the, the, the veil.
• 1:18:08
  We call it like the, the kind of shroud that, eh, separates us
• 1:18:14
  from like disorder dimension, basically disorder, disorder
• 1:18:18
  world that exists with ours, eh? But the kind of, eh,
• 1:18:23
  astronomical or the, the more scientific theory behind, uh,
• 1:18:28
  this kind of stuff is that the Earth's magnetic field is just a
• 1:18:33
  little bit, uh, weaker in these points.
• 1:18:36
  And that's why it folks up the likes of navigational systems
• 1:18:39
  and, and things like that. It all kind of depends on what
• 1:18:42
  you're susceptible to or what you are, uh, you want to or not
• 1:18:47
  like that, whatever you believe in, uh, to be like, obviously
• 1:18:52
  this is a, a high strangeness podcast.
• 1:18:56
  So if we have to kind of lean into our open mindedness and say
• 1:19:01
  like we, we could believe that this is an area of high
• 1:19:04
  strangeness and that this veil is a little bit thinner and This
• 1:19:08
  is why weird shit happens. The naysayers or the people who
• 1:19:14
  would be a little bit skeptical would just say, yeah, there's
• 1:19:18
  something that happens where our magnetic fields crossover in 12
• 1:19:23
  points on the the the globe. And but I think it's more fun to
• 1:19:28
  think about metaphysical Bigfoot jumping out of a shroud and and
• 1:19:33
  pulling a plane down to the ground.
• 1:19:34
  I think that's more. Yeah.
• 1:19:37
  Yeah, there's just like a slate in space-time in the middle of
• 1:19:42
  the, you know, like 20,000 feet in the air metaphysical Bigfoot
• 1:19:46
  jump safe holding a sword made from whalebone and cuts that
• 1:19:50
  fucking crane into. Why not I?
• 1:19:52
  Mean. Yeah.
• 1:19:54
  I mean, like, it's as good as, you know, like a possibility as
• 1:19:57
  anything like this. Like you're telling me that
• 1:19:59
  magic? Explain magnets without saying
• 1:20:04
  like you don't know how to explain magnets.
• 1:20:07
  Yeah. And, and, and we will, we will
• 1:20:10
  get back to magnets, but this one specifically is so some
• 1:20:16
  people think that there was bell play involved in the specific
• 1:20:19
  crash because it turns out that Hail Bogs was on a special a
• 1:20:24
  mission that was dedicated to investigate JFK's assassination.
• 1:20:30
  Comes back to fucking JFK. Full fucking circle, right?
• 1:20:35
  So Boggs apparently knew something that was fishy about
• 1:20:38
  the whole situation. We, I don't, it's not my job to
• 1:20:44
  educate you, OK? If you haven't, if you don't
• 1:20:47
  listen to the podcast, come back and fucking listen.
• 1:20:51
  And we have covered the whole fucking JFK saga.
• 1:20:55
  We've covered the Kennedy saga. We've gone through all of this
• 1:20:58
  with you. And you know what I mean?
• 1:21:00
  If it's not, it's your, it's your responsibility to basically
• 1:21:04
  educate yourself. Yeah.
• 1:21:05
  We. Don't want to get bogs down in
• 1:21:06
  it right now so. We're not going to get hail
• 1:21:10
  bogged down in your lack of knowledge, OK?
• 1:21:15
  All right? Just just so you fucking know,
• 1:21:18
  that's how it's going to happen, all right?
• 1:21:20
  So anyway, publicly Bob supported the conclusion that
• 1:21:25
  Lee Harvey Oswald had acted alone, but behind closed doors
• 1:21:30
  it was said that he didn't buy that at all.
• 1:21:33
  And he was really trying to reopen the whole Kennedy
• 1:21:37
  assassination case. So if I have to, if I fucking
• 1:21:40
  have to go back to it, JFK was visiting Dallas, was shot in the
• 1:21:47
  fucking head. Jackie had a big fat ass.
• 1:21:49
  She didn't get shot. She was fucking gone out the
• 1:21:52
  back. Of it.
• 1:21:53
  She's taking straight shots now. For some fucking reason that.
• 1:21:57
  Yeah. You've.
• 1:21:58
  Seen that ours? Fucking unreal.
• 1:22:01
  Fantastic 1960s. Fucking best, right?
• 1:22:05
  He gets shot in the head and his head like it's actually really
• 1:22:07
  funny because like he's just like obviously lying shut the
• 1:22:11
  head and his big fat ass fucking pog of a wife is like crawling
• 1:22:17
  out and it's like JFK gay as hell for falling asleep when
• 1:22:21
  this ass is like right in front of him anyway, so.
• 1:22:26
  What the fuck? It's a meme.
• 1:22:29
  I know what's a meme. I know because I knew you came
• 1:22:31
  out your mouth and had to have been a meme.
• 1:22:33
  I was like horses and it. Didn't sound like I'm fucking
• 1:22:35
  Tim Robinson so it must have been a fucking meme.
• 1:22:39
  I think you should be I right? I think you should Jackie
• 1:22:42
  Kennedy and exit this. Conference.
• 1:22:49
  OK, you can go back onto a track.
• 1:22:51
  Here I'm doing. I'm doing.
• 1:22:52
  I'm. Doing it so busy.
• 1:22:57
  So J OK alright, so basically this guy apparently is the
• 1:23:04
  perfect fucking, you know, Republican.
• 1:23:07
  He's like, yeah, whatever, everything's fine.
• 1:23:09
  But behind the scenes he was trying to get all of this shit
• 1:23:14
  reopened because he didn't think that it was just a random
• 1:23:19
  fucking assassination by some random dude.
• 1:23:21
  He was convinced it was an inside job.
• 1:23:23
  Yeah, I listen to, while I was doing my Christmas shop and I
• 1:23:27
  was listening to a podcast on this.
• 1:23:29
  And that's basically what the kind of consensus here is with
• 1:23:33
  this guy is that like, if you look like scratch the surface on
• 1:23:36
  this guy at all that he was eh, convinced that JFK was killed by
• 1:23:42
  the CIA or a storm FBI. Yes storm eh government kind of
• 1:23:48
  plot to kill JFK because of the well look, the several reasons
• 1:23:52
  why you would kill JFKI suppose, but it's AI think that this one
• 1:23:59
  is kind of more plausible than than you might kind of think
• 1:24:05
  like the more you kind of look into it like why this plan would
• 1:24:09
  go down, then it's kind of like yeah, this this conspiracy kind
• 1:24:14
  of holds a little bit of water with with this box fella getting
• 1:24:17
  fucking. I think this is the one that I
• 1:24:19
  kind of I believe in the most. And because he was like quite
• 1:24:26
  vocal and like this is like kind of it's something about this
• 1:24:30
  word to come out. It would be fucking.
• 1:24:32
  Yeah. Well, like if if you do believe
• 1:24:34
  that the JFK assassination was a scheme by the US government or
• 1:24:42
  that the, you know, the CIA, then you kind of should believe
• 1:24:48
  that the CIA would kill any amount of people who would be
• 1:24:53
  snooping in or would have any kind of evidence to say that
• 1:24:57
  they killed him. Like so I like, I would imagine
• 1:25:01
  a lot of people who died in the late 60s and throughout 70s by
• 1:25:07
  the hands of the CIA. It was probably because of the
• 1:25:10
  JFK situation. Yes.
• 1:25:13
  And like, it was such a, such a high profile, uh, death as well.
• 1:25:17
  Like it was very much, you know, if you, if you do buy into that
• 1:25:20
  he was assassinated by his own government, It was very much
• 1:25:23
  like, you know, if you go against our narrative, you're
• 1:25:26
  going to get onto a plane someday and that plane is not
• 1:25:28
  going to land. And you know, which like very
• 1:25:31
  much reminds you of like modern day Russia, like, you know,
• 1:25:34
  Putin, if any of the oligarchs disagree with them, they all of
• 1:25:37
  a sudden get very, very sad and jump out windows.
• 1:25:39
  Yes, yeah, yeah. And.
• 1:25:40
  It's like, you know, he can, you know, these people can be
• 1:25:42
  touched at any point of anywhere.
• 1:25:46
  I was also going to bring the Russians in there to because
• 1:25:48
  like, if you think about it, like whole war was still
• 1:25:52
  ongoing. And if it were were to get out
• 1:25:55
  that there was collusion in the US to kill a sitting president.
• 1:26:01
  Yeah, Yeah. And you would have a lot of
• 1:26:04
  people in the United States who would obviously, eh, then rise
• 1:26:12
  up like in a kind of, look, I'm not going to say there would
• 1:26:17
  have been a fucking civil war rebellion or anything like that.
• 1:26:20
  But people who were thinking about the enemy was Russia.
• 1:26:25
  And now we're looking at the enemy within.
• 1:26:27
  And like there was a lot of paranoia in, in the, in America
• 1:26:31
  at that stage as well. So to, to be think like, if you
• 1:26:34
  think about like a lot of the conspiracies that would have
• 1:26:36
  been going around at the time, eh, if obviously if people were,
• 1:26:41
  I don't think there was a larger propensity for people to kind of
• 1:26:45
  dig into conspiracy theories around that time.
• 1:26:48
  But you could imagine if there was people thinking about who
• 1:26:50
  killed JFK, was it Lee Harry Oswald or was it the Russians
• 1:26:54
  would have been the number one kind of a problem.
• 1:26:56
  So no one would have been thinking that America would have
• 1:26:58
  killed, Yeah. Well, like all of the the
• 1:27:02
  connections that Lee Harvey Oswald had with Russia as well,
• 1:27:05
  like, you know, it was the IT was the obvious.
• 1:27:07
  It was the obvious like, you know, scapegoat.
• 1:27:10
  Yeah. And even like, you know, the I'm
• 1:27:12
  sure you guys covered it. Like, you know, Lee Harvey
• 1:27:14
  Oswald connections, MK Ultra connections with Russia.
• 1:27:17
  He was the ultimate like Scarecrow, you know, they they
• 1:27:21
  could make him anything that. They needed to make but he.
• 1:27:24
  Was also. Sexy Killian Murphy fucking
• 1:27:27
  yeah. All right, maybe not.
• 1:27:31
  He was. He was careful in the Batman
• 1:27:33
  movies, in the Nolan Batman movies.
• 1:27:36
  Yeah, that. That's a jump.
• 1:27:37
  That's a jump. It wasn't because.
• 1:27:39
  It was the same kind of OK, fine, I'm I'm talking.
• 1:27:42
  About scare pro Danny and it made sense to the fucking
• 1:27:45
  analogy that he was. Going so this guy Hale box.
• 1:27:48
  Hale Box. Hale Box.
• 1:27:51
  So he was he was ruffling a lot of fetters like he was he was
• 1:27:54
  calling a Jagger Hoover who is like Hall of Fame, FBI paranoid
• 1:27:59
  man to ever exist like. FBI like.
• 1:28:03
  All of them. Yes.
• 1:28:04
  Yeah, So yeah, calling out fucking absolutely everyone.
• 1:28:10
  And he was demanding for Hoover to resign.
• 1:28:14
  Like he was literally just calling out like a bunch of
• 1:28:16
  fucking important people and being like, you're not doing
• 1:28:19
  your fucking job. You're used as you're crappy or
• 1:28:21
  corrupt, get the fuck out of office because you shouldn't be
• 1:28:25
  here. Very, very vocal and pissed off.
• 1:28:28
  A lot of people had a lot of enemies.
• 1:28:30
  And there was again, like a bunch of fucking evidence that
• 1:28:35
  like multiple people wanted this man dead because he was just
• 1:28:39
  upsetting everybody in the fucking White House.
• 1:28:42
  So. Did we just strike this one down
• 1:28:44
  to it wasn't Alaska's fault this guy was killed by the fucking?
• 1:28:50
  When the flight that box was on disappeared, people were
• 1:28:54
  extremely suspicious, the JFK assassination blah blah blah.
• 1:29:00
  And after searching and everything, nothing is ever
• 1:29:03
  found and no one comes forward with any information.
• 1:29:07
  But that is until 1994. This is when a man named Jerry
• 1:29:12
  Max Paisley decided to start talking.
• 1:29:15
  So, Jerry, Max Paisley. We don't like him.
• 1:29:19
  We don't like him at all, no. Basically, Jerry Max Paisley was
• 1:29:30
  a convicted mob hitman sitting in prison in Arizona for a
• 1:29:36
  murder. And he starts to talk in hopes
• 1:29:39
  of getting some kind of like, plea bargain.
• 1:29:43
  So he tells a reporter that quote.
• 1:29:45
  In 1972, I was given a locked briefcase by a member of the
• 1:29:51
  Bonanno crime family. I flew into Anchorage and handed
• 1:29:56
  it off to guys and they said something big was about to
• 1:30:00
  happen. So Jerry said that he found out
• 1:30:04
  later that I completely fucking hit the wrong button and
• 1:30:11
  scrolled way back to where I was fucking scroll.
• 1:30:23
  So he said later, the briefcase that he was paid to deliver had
• 1:30:28
  a bomb in it, and then it ended up on the plane that vanished
• 1:30:34
  with Congressman Box. That's.
• 1:30:38
  That's specific though. Isn't that like, you know, he
• 1:30:41
  didn't just like that one there, like a little bit of water there
• 1:30:47
  because like it's kind of a random plane to have gone.
• 1:30:52
  Down a bit, right, But so he basically like he ended up going
• 1:30:59
  into business with one of the men who gave him the briefcase
• 1:31:01
  in the 1st place and they ended up coning a bar in Anchorage,
• 1:31:07
  which is is kind of weird, right?
• 1:31:08
  But they ended up getting he ended up Jerry fucking Paisley
• 1:31:13
  ended up getting married to one of the women whose husbands was
• 1:31:17
  on that plane that was missing. That's such a weird connection.
• 1:31:22
  Right. Jerry said that there was one
• 1:31:24
  day when he and the business partner guy, they were hanging
• 1:31:27
  out and the guy tells him, yeah, you know what suitcase they gave
• 1:31:32
  you? Well, there was a bomb in there,
• 1:31:35
  right? So he confesses all of this
• 1:31:38
  later on to a journalist, Jerry, Jerry Paisley does.
• 1:31:42
  And then the journalist obviously contacts the police
• 1:31:45
  in, in Anchorage, in Alaska. So by this point, it's it's 1995
• 1:31:51
  and the Anchorage police are like, you know, this is fucking
• 1:31:54
  like this could change everything.
• 1:31:55
  This is a huge fucking development in this case with
• 1:31:58
  fucking hail bogs and all of this shit like the plane going
• 1:32:02
  down. So the police Sergeant in
• 1:32:05
  Angridge, his name is Mike Grimes.
• 1:32:07
  He contacts the FBI, the FBI immediately.
• 1:32:15
  I knew you were going to do it. I knew you were going to do it.
• 1:32:18
  And still I don't need safety gloves because my name is Homer
• 1:32:24
  Simpson anyway. So basically he where the fuck
• 1:32:31
  am I now? Just see, you can't.
• 1:32:35
  Yeah, he contacts the FBI, he doesn't hear anything.
• 1:32:38
  And then he ends up meeting up with the initial agent.
• 1:32:43
  And so like, I guess like the, I don't know what the term is, but
• 1:32:48
  like the receptionist, I guess you could say FBI agent that he
• 1:32:53
  initially reports it to is who was supposed to hand that up the
• 1:32:56
  chain and it. Would have been the
• 1:32:58
  investigation officer like it wouldn't, yeah.
• 1:33:02
  And. She basically was told she told
• 1:33:06
  him that yes, she did hand everything up.
• 1:33:09
  Then she was basically told stay the fuck out of it, leave it
• 1:33:14
  alone, and he was told basically to not look into it again.
• 1:33:20
  So Jerry Max Paisley, he offered to take a polygraph test, but no
• 1:33:26
  record shows that that ever happened.
• 1:33:29
  So there were no charges, there were no follow-ups.
• 1:33:33
  There's still no clear answers at all.
• 1:33:36
  And that's when the story died, as did Jerry Paisley in 2010.
• 1:33:42
  So I still do have to, I have to go back and be like this.
• 1:33:49
  My thoughts basically. And actually, I think I'm very
• 1:33:52
  much literally said what my thoughts are in the notes.
• 1:33:57
  If again, again, if something blew up, why isn't there any
• 1:34:03
  fucking evidence? There's no evidence of that
• 1:34:07
  plane ever fucking going anywhere.
• 1:34:10
  There's that above. That plane just left.
• 1:34:14
  It never came back. But there's no evidence of that
• 1:34:17
  plane ever. There's no evidence.
• 1:34:20
  Of that plane ever exists. Yeah, there's nothing.
• 1:34:25
  There's nothing. I'm like, I, I kind of like for
• 1:34:28
  the fact, I mean, obviously you don't want anything, any
• 1:34:33
  conspiracy involving a dead president to come back to you
• 1:34:36
  like and I do. Understand that.
• 1:34:40
  Yes, I I get that. I really do.
• 1:34:43
  But also at the same time, like there should be something like
• 1:34:46
  even if, right, it was exploded because this guy is saying that
• 1:34:53
  his job was to deliver a fucking bomb in a briefcase.
• 1:34:57
  Fine, all right, that that plane is still going to fucking
• 1:35:00
  explode. Where is the evidence of it?
• 1:35:05
  It like it just disappeared? Like there's no fucking
• 1:35:08
  evidence. But what do you think of?
• 1:35:09
  Anything. It just flew into this other
• 1:35:12
  fucking dimension or. And I will get to that, but I
• 1:35:17
  just want to see what the fuck you guys are talking like what
• 1:35:20
  you guys? Think, I think, I think this is
• 1:35:23
  like, I think there is a very high chance that Hoover just was
• 1:35:27
  like, oh, fuck this guy. And just like take him out.
• 1:35:29
  He's asking too many questions. He's attacking me.
• 1:35:31
  I'm going to show everyone that like, I don't care who you are,
• 1:35:35
  I can touch you and I can do what I want.
• 1:35:37
  Like it's it's mafia style stuff and I think that like.
• 1:35:40
  That's how it seems. And I think that like the fact
• 1:35:43
  that the flight was in Alaska, like maybe there was like a
• 1:35:48
  thought process of like, well, look, planes go down all the
• 1:35:51
  time in Alaska. So like if another plane just
• 1:35:54
  disappears and no one ever hears from it again, it's like, oh,
• 1:35:57
  look, it's the mystery of Alaska.
• 1:35:58
  You know, the, you know, like, and it's kind of like a mafia
• 1:36:02
  thing where it's like, oh, you know, accidents happen there all
• 1:36:04
  the time. Yes.
• 1:36:05
  No questions. You get no answers.
• 1:36:07
  I'd be, I'd be inclined to agree there with Ocean.
• 1:36:11
  But as well as that, they just put like, I think what you're
• 1:36:15
  talking about with like it being mafia style like is literal
• 1:36:19
  because like the FBI, yeah, was embroiled with the book and
• 1:36:23
  mafia for a long time, especially in the 60s.
• 1:36:26
  They're like, so like there was a lot of, there was a lot of
• 1:36:29
  that going on more like the FBI were outsourcing their hits to
• 1:36:35
  the mafia. So I I definitely think that
• 1:36:39
  what Ocean is saying is right, that Hoover says let's get rid
• 1:36:44
  of this mouthpiece. He's fucking, he's digging too
• 1:36:47
  deep and Alaska's the perfect place to do it.
• 1:36:50
  So like, yeah, if the plane goes down again, like we said, it is
• 1:36:55
  a needle in a haystack there. I know what you're saying,
• 1:36:57
  Danny, that like it if it's over a flight path, that there should
• 1:37:00
  be a wreckage there. But I also believe that if you
• 1:37:03
  land or if a plane lands in fucking a snowdrift or a frozen
• 1:37:09
  lake or a glacier or somewhere that is like you cannot get to
• 1:37:13
  it. Eh could by conventional means.
• 1:37:16
  It doesn't take long for the Alaskan snow and wilderness to
• 1:37:19
  overtake any kind of a wreckage. I I do believe that if you're
• 1:37:23
  doing that in a or if you, if you go missing in Alaska, you
• 1:37:30
  don't need an FBI cover up because nature will do a literal
• 1:37:34
  cover up for. You I will say though is if you
• 1:37:38
  are a politician of high importance like that, there
• 1:37:45
  should be a lot more things in place to recovery.
• 1:37:48
  Oh, I agree. But imagine if the government
• 1:37:51
  that is in charge of putting out those kind of, you know, if
• 1:37:57
  they're the people that are in charge, they're not interested
• 1:37:58
  in. Finding exactly.
• 1:38:00
  Yeah, I mean, I do. Yeah, again, beating into it.
• 1:38:04
  Also, these guys were like, it was, I think it was like a four
• 1:38:07
  person craft. It was a fucking Cessna.
• 1:38:10
  So if they're not able to find a 100 and fucking 25 ton plane,
• 1:38:17
  they're not going to. They're not going to buy
• 1:38:18
  personal. Craft.
• 1:38:19
  Yeah, it wouldn't even explode when it crashes.
• 1:38:22
  They probably did. Just go down and then it was
• 1:38:25
  like. A car.
• 1:38:26
  Yeah, Yeah. And that would be it.
• 1:38:28
  It would just be crushed and that that would be the end of
• 1:38:30
  it. And then there would be like,
• 1:38:32
  it's if they they went down in October.
• 1:38:34
  So like, you know, winters coming in.
• 1:38:36
  Yeah, they're just gone. Yeah.
• 1:38:40
  So yeah, basically it was like, that is 1 theory that it went
• 1:38:45
  down and people were kind of like, oh, we're just going to
• 1:38:47
  keep this under wraps and Alaska is the best place to just
• 1:38:50
  dispose of this person who would basically expose all of our
• 1:38:56
  shit. But this is where I get to my
• 1:38:58
  favorite theory. And some people believe that
• 1:39:01
  maybe the reasoning behind all of this is an energy vortex,
• 1:39:07
  right? Stick with me though.
• 1:39:08
  Some people are completely convinced that Alaska Triangle
• 1:39:12
  is the home of a massive swirling energy vortex, like a
• 1:39:15
  Whirlpool of electromagnetic energy.
• 1:39:19
  So like what happens in the Bermuda Triangle?
• 1:39:23
  The same thing happens in the Alaska Triangle.
• 1:39:26
  Search and rescue teams have reported that their compasses
• 1:39:29
  will spin off for no reason, and some even say that they would
• 1:39:33
  hear strange noises in the Triangle that sounded
• 1:39:36
  otherworldly. Basically, there has been a I'm
• 1:39:43
  sure you both have heard of the it's called the Bloop bloop in
• 1:39:47
  the sea where it's this fucking the loudest sound ever heard on
• 1:39:54
  the planet and someone heard it under undersea.
• 1:39:57
  So it was it's shit like that that they hear up there with no
• 1:40:01
  explanation, right? Some experts believe that all of
• 1:40:07
  this magnetic weirdness might be tied to a mysterious energy
• 1:40:11
  project built by the government called HEARP.
• 1:40:15
  So. Yeah, the US government, sorry.
• 1:40:17
  So her stands for high active. Wait, no higher you can see
• 1:40:27
  active arrow. I can't say arrow, arrow, arrow,
• 1:40:32
  arrow, arrow. Arrow.
• 1:40:34
  Arrow Arrow research program. It was built in the 90s and of
• 1:40:40
  course it's located right inside the triangle on the surface.
• 1:40:43
  HARP was created to study the ionosphere, which is the
• 1:40:48
  technical term for the upper layer of the atmosphere.
• 1:40:53
  This is basically radio waves, satellite orbit.
• 1:40:59
  I don't know all that kind of fucking shit.
• 1:41:05
  So if you were to go to the area where HAARP is at, which
• 1:41:09
  honestly, I don't think that you're actually allowed to do
• 1:41:12
  that, but if you did go, you would see a giant metal forest.
• 1:41:17
  It's made-up of 180 radio antennas lined up in rows, all
• 1:41:22
  blasting high frequency energy straight into the sky.
• 1:41:26
  So when they flip the switch, HAARP can literally make a word
• 1:41:32
  that I can't pronounce. Basically.
• 1:41:38
  Their yeah, their own fucking Northern Lights, basically is,
• 1:41:41
  is is what they can do up there. And they said that they do these
• 1:41:48
  experiments to help scientists figure out how like AGPS works,
• 1:41:52
  how to predict storms, how to keep military communications
• 1:41:56
  safe, which is why HEAP has been paid for by the Air Force, the
• 1:42:01
  Navy, and DARPA. And now we did talk about DARPA
• 1:42:05
  a little bit before. Basically, it is a, it's
• 1:42:10
  America's kind of fucking mad scientist lab.
• 1:42:14
  Basically DARPA is and it's to do with all of the fucking.
• 1:42:22
  Someone take over because I'm tired.
• 1:42:24
  Weird. Thank you.
• 1:42:25
  Yeah. They like push the absolute
• 1:42:28
  envelope of like weird stuff that they can explain away with,
• 1:42:33
  you know, like, oh, that's, you know, that's not us or that's
• 1:42:36
  like some mysterious stuff or you're imagining things.
• 1:42:39
  Yes, Yeah. It's like, you know, Area 51
• 1:42:43
  kind of territory, you know? Yeah.
• 1:42:46
  And like, I think what we got into in the whole like Montauk
• 1:42:49
  experiment episode and stuff like that, probably kind of a
• 1:42:52
  lot of that shit goes on up there with Serpa.
• 1:42:57
  Well, The thing is like America is so big and they've so much
• 1:43:00
  wilderness and there's so much like, you know, space where it's
• 1:43:03
  just nature that like, you know, the the government and the
• 1:43:05
  military would just see is like, Oh, well, there's nothing there.
• 1:43:08
  Instead of there's nature there that they've all these areas
• 1:43:11
  that they've just kind of cordoned off and they're like,
• 1:43:13
  OK, this is where we do weird science yet.
• 1:43:16
  Did you know, though, that one, the only country in the whole
• 1:43:19
  world that has, I guess, something that you can
• 1:43:23
  officially class as wilderness is Romania.
• 1:43:28
  Like I, yeah, I think that that's the only country in the
• 1:43:32
  world that you can officially class as wilderness, that there
• 1:43:35
  hasn't been any like human interaction with that land or
• 1:43:43
  anything like that. Like they're there are parts of
• 1:43:45
  Wales that like, especially in like Brecon, where like humans
• 1:43:50
  have never touched or on record never touched.
• 1:43:53
  But I guess it's so hard to get to.
• 1:43:56
  But I think Alaska and Romania are the only places in the world
• 1:44:02
  that have like uncharted wilderness.
• 1:44:06
  The fantastic wilderness documentaries about Romania on I
• 1:44:10
  think they're on Netflix. Now Romania is fucking real
• 1:44:13
  like. The oldest forests in the world?
• 1:44:15
  Yeah. What it is like, Yeah.
• 1:44:16
  And Romania has has bears as well.
• 1:44:19
  Yeah. Yeah, and there's like I, I saw
• 1:44:21
  documentary before, it was like they always kind of had these
• 1:44:25
  like locals who would go in and. Like.
• 1:44:31
  Who is doing that? You.
• 1:44:34
  It's not me you didn't do. Anything you're swinging your
• 1:44:36
  mic around while you're. I think that was me.
• 1:44:38
  That was me. Well, oh, OK, right.
• 1:44:43
  Oh, she's fucking. That was me.
• 1:44:45
  Come on. Apologize immediately.
• 1:44:50
  I am so very sorry. Anyway, so I I saw a documentary
• 1:44:56
  and it was like basically there is like.
• 1:44:57
  So there's a bunch of like Romanian like villagers and like
• 1:45:02
  10 people that like rely on those trees just to a very kind
• 1:45:06
  of short distance into the woods to basically like chop down
• 1:45:12
  trees and stuff like that. And they, they sell the wood and
• 1:45:15
  whatever they need. And now it's at a point where
• 1:45:18
  like they have like their businesses are being shut down,
• 1:45:22
  they're being reported to police and stuff like that, where
• 1:45:24
  they're not even touching a fucking fraction of the forestry
• 1:45:28
  that they have, but they're just so strict on actually keeping
• 1:45:31
  it. Good.
• 1:45:32
  Like, you know. Exactly 1.
• 1:45:34
  For that I would brought them people into the sea and ground
• 1:45:37
  them while their kids look at them.
• 1:45:40
  Maybe a selkie can like, you know, come and like, fuck them
• 1:45:43
  up as well, yes. But it I guess and it is.
• 1:45:45
  Just imagine what a Romanian selkie would be like.
• 1:45:48
  No. Just always be chain smoking
• 1:45:50
  really. Horrible cigarettes I I come
• 1:45:53
  from the seat by this, rose by this.
• 1:45:56
  It's like smoking like 3 cigarettes at once like.
• 1:45:59
  You buy a lot for a pretty lady and I disappear back into sea
• 1:46:02
  and you'll never hear from me again.
• 1:46:05
  But like, yeah, no, I've been to.
• 1:46:06
  Romanian and I've dead driven. That's been driven, been driven
• 1:46:12
  true. I've been driven.
• 1:46:13
  It is vast. It's like when when you look out
• 1:46:18
  like I was looking off that road and into like just massive flat
• 1:46:23
  lands and then you see the the the mountains just covered in
• 1:46:28
  trees. It was absolutely beautiful.
• 1:46:30
  Like the forested area just looks unreal.
• 1:46:32
  But unfortunately I never really got near it.
• 1:46:36
  I mean, I, I think I love, like, I just fucking love wilderness.
• 1:46:41
  I like if I'm like exploring shit, the further away I can get
• 1:46:46
  from people having been there, the better.
• 1:46:48
  Like I just fucking love that so much.
• 1:46:50
  It's like my favorite thing and and remind me especially like I
• 1:46:53
  think like either what if there's gypsies, Dracula and
• 1:46:56
  then just nothing, Which is it? Which is always good Gypsies.
• 1:47:01
  Dracula. Yeah, I.
• 1:47:03
  Don't. Think.
• 1:47:06
  That's where you want to be like, you know, and like, I know
• 1:47:08
  you said that like what the Dracula castle was like.
• 1:47:12
  Yeah, yeah, you've. Both been there.
• 1:47:14
  Yeah, well, I'm left out then. Transylvania was just a pub and
• 1:47:21
  a market stall. A.
• 1:47:23
  Ship Club. It was just like a it was just
• 1:47:25
  merch tables. Yeah, that was.
• 1:47:27
  Like, you know, buy all this goofy shit.
• 1:47:28
  Oh, by the way, Vlad the Impaler never actually stepped foot in
• 1:47:31
  this castle. It.
• 1:47:33
  Must. Have been.
• 1:47:33
  From there he was from like a fucking like we.
• 1:47:37
  Yeah, anyway, so I'll I'll move on.
• 1:47:42
  I'm. Jealous.
• 1:47:49
  So if you were in the area, the harp was that which you're not
• 1:47:55
  allowed to go to, blah blah blah.
• 1:47:57
  Did we go through all of this? No.
• 1:47:59
  So there's theories that HARP is actually trying to weaponize the
• 1:48:02
  atmosphere. Yes.
• 1:48:03
  So basically joint metal forest, 180 radio antennas lined up all
• 1:48:13
  blasting high frequency energy. And if they flip the switch,
• 1:48:18
  apparently HEAP can make that word that ocean you said with
• 1:48:23
  the Northern Lights. So they say that they do these
• 1:48:28
  experiments to help scientists figure out GPS at how to predict
• 1:48:33
  storms, how to keep military communication safe.
• 1:48:36
  Which is why HAARP has been paid for by Air Force, Navy, and
• 1:48:40
  DARPA. DARPA does all the weird shit
• 1:48:42
  with the future and Stranger Things and all that fucking
• 1:48:45
  bullshit. But anyway, there are theories
• 1:48:47
  that HAARP is actually trying to weaponize the atmosphere, but
• 1:48:51
  they're likely trying to figure out how to cause storms, steer
• 1:48:57
  hurricanes, and trigger earthquakes.
• 1:49:00
  Some people swear that HARP can even beam low frequency waves
• 1:49:05
  right into our heads, messing with brain function and
• 1:49:10
  behaviour. There are people who think HARP
• 1:49:12
  is basically a distraction from the real source of all of these
• 1:49:17
  electromagnetic disturbances, missing planes and vanished
• 1:49:24
  hikers. That isn't weather Harvesting
• 1:49:27
  Antenna Farm, but it's something very deep in the Alaskan
• 1:49:31
  wilderness, a massive underground structure known as
• 1:49:34
  the Dark Pyramid. This dark pyramid is very
• 1:49:41
  interesting. Crazy this dark pyramid is so
• 1:49:45
  this rumor is that there's a top secret energy source hidden in
• 1:49:49
  the Alaskan Triangle, which people have been calling the
• 1:49:53
  dark pyramid. This pyramid is allegedly 4
• 1:49:57
  times the size of the Great Pyramid of Giza and allegedly so
• 1:50:01
  powerful and secret that the government has scrubbed it from
• 1:50:06
  satellite images entirely. So apparently, yeah, it's, it's
• 1:50:11
  been absolutely scrubbed. So how do we know about it?
• 1:50:16
  Basically, in 1992, China performed an underground nuclear
• 1:50:22
  test. And then geologists in Alaska
• 1:50:25
  were studying the shock waves created by this test.
• 1:50:28
  And when they came across like something weird, they realized
• 1:50:32
  there was something buried 700 feet below Alaska.
• 1:50:36
  Something. Massive.
• 1:50:39
  I'm waiting on one of you guys to fucking take over.
• 1:50:48
  So like, they think that like underneath Alaska, there is
• 1:50:51
  this, this like enormous pyramid.
• 1:50:54
  And it was discovered to like what China was doing.
• 1:50:57
  And they reckon like when they say that there was like a lot
• 1:51:00
  of, you know, it's really powerful.
• 1:51:03
  Like they're talking about like this is a power that it was
• 1:51:06
  built to harness. It was power that it was built
• 1:51:10
  to, to master like, you know, control, like you know, the
• 1:51:13
  atmosphere, to control storms, all this kind of stuff.
• 1:51:18
  But like, you know, is there is there anything unlike, you know,
• 1:51:22
  who supposedly built it? Is it a military thing or is it
• 1:51:25
  something the military found? Or is it something that is
• 1:51:28
  extraterrestrial? Yeah, unless, like, so they do
• 1:51:34
  more testing. And when they do more testing,
• 1:51:38
  they see that this was something pyramid shaped.
• 1:51:40
  Years later, a retired naval captain.
• 1:51:43
  So this is really cool. Justy, I'm surprised that you
• 1:51:45
  don't. You don't know this because you
• 1:51:47
  subscribe to all of this crazy people calling into radio shows.
• 1:51:52
  That's very much your your bag. You're going to like when you
• 1:51:55
  say something here, it's probably going to jog my memory
• 1:51:58
  because I've, I've done like I've listened to so much of
• 1:52:01
  this. But yes, when you say it to me
• 1:52:04
  again, it's like I'm hearing it with fresh ears because I'm
• 1:52:06
  riddled with ADHD and I've got CTE and also aids.
• 1:52:11
  Like it's, it's not like, it's not like I haven't listened to
• 1:52:16
  any of this information or absorbed it before, but it is.
• 1:52:19
  I have forgotten more stuff than I've ever fucking learned.
• 1:52:22
  But basically this, uh, former military captain, he called into
• 1:52:26
  coast to coast A. With Artie Lange or whatever his
• 1:52:30
  name is. A very popular radio show,
• 1:52:33
  especially for, I guess, basically people who love the
• 1:52:36
  old conspiracy theories here and there.
• 1:52:38
  Art. Bar not Artie Lang.
• 1:52:39
  Artie Lang was on Art Bell. Sharp Bell, that was.
• 1:52:42
  Yeah. I haven't listened to it, so
• 1:52:43
  yeah, so. Unreal.
• 1:52:46
  The people who used to get fucking calling in.
• 1:52:50
  OK, never mind. Go on.
• 1:52:51
  Keep up, keep up. We.
• 1:52:52
  Can do that. We can do that.
• 1:52:53
  So he's at the back in the 80s. So this guy who called in said
• 1:52:58
  that back in the 80s, he was working on government radar
• 1:53:01
  systems in Alaska, and he kept running into this mysterious
• 1:53:05
  electromagnetic interference, and none of his superiors could
• 1:53:10
  explain it. He said this interference made
• 1:53:13
  planes glitch and messed up communications.
• 1:53:16
  And over time, over his time working there, sorry, he became
• 1:53:20
  convinced that the source of all of this unexplained energy was
• 1:53:26
  the dark pyramid. So this guy, he goes and he
• 1:53:30
  tells his higher ups about his theory.
• 1:53:33
  And when he did that, they threatened him with a court
• 1:53:35
  martial. Yeah.
• 1:53:38
  So basically court martial, if you're not aware of what that
• 1:53:42
  is, is like a military kind of summons.
• 1:53:45
  It's basically like, yeah, it will ruin your fucking life, but
• 1:53:47
  military wise you'll never be able to work for the US again.
• 1:53:52
  Essentially this is. Basically, the Pyramid of
• 1:53:54
  Transformers. Yeah.
• 1:53:58
  Basically they have like this like underground like energy.
• 1:54:01
  And. Like because you know, in
• 1:54:03
  Transformers they have like there is the big cube of energy
• 1:54:06
  on that's underground that that the US government has like built
• 1:54:09
  all new technology from has, you know, they use it to control
• 1:54:12
  like, you know, all the like area and space around it.
• 1:54:15
  They've built, you know, planes, radars, everything based on what
• 1:54:19
  they found there. And that is basically, it's
• 1:54:22
  pretty much what the Dark Pyramid is.
• 1:54:24
  Yeah, wow. So they, they basically, they,
• 1:54:28
  they tell him like we're going to court martial you, shut the
• 1:54:30
  fuck up. Just stay in your lane and like,
• 1:54:33
  leave everything alone. So the people who subscribe to
• 1:54:38
  the dark pyramid theory think that the government is keeping
• 1:54:41
  it secret because it's such a powerful source of energy.
• 1:54:46
  And many people believe that this is where aliens live.
• 1:54:50
  Because, you know, why not? Doing the remote viewing
• 1:54:55
  episode, wasn't this one of the places that that the.
• 1:54:59
  Dark Pyramid. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:55:01
  He looked in Alaska. He said that there was because
• 1:55:05
  he was talking about different places like Mount Shasta and
• 1:55:08
  stuff like that. When you look underneath it,
• 1:55:09
  there was a place in Spain as well that when you look below
• 1:55:12
  the the ground, there was bases and you could see kind of like
• 1:55:16
  all these this different stuff. But when he looked in Alaska,
• 1:55:22
  that in Alaska that that in Alaska that this was where he
• 1:55:29
  definitely saw actual aliens in the base.
• 1:55:34
  You guys just keep scatting for a second.
• 1:55:36
  I have to pee really bad, so I'm gonna go do that and yeah, just
• 1:55:42
  keep talking. Catch me up in a second.
• 1:55:44
  Alex will edit all of this out. No, he won't, but we will
• 1:55:49
  continue. Yeah, that's one.
• 1:55:54
  Yeah. I didn't realize that that was
• 1:55:57
  like the dark pyramid was something that like the remote
• 1:55:59
  viewing is tied into. I do, I do think it is, I think
• 1:56:02
  umm, now I again, I hope I'm not talking on my ass, but I think
• 1:56:07
  because they talked about Alaska in there, because when we talk
• 1:56:11
  about the umm, these different triangles, I do think that they
• 1:56:15
  did correspond to some of the remote viewing places.
• 1:56:19
  But again, you're when you do look this stuff up, it kind of
• 1:56:22
  you do find you'll find anything to call and say about what
• 1:56:26
  you're looking for because somebody will have talked some
• 1:56:29
  shit about some. Conspiracy tie?
• 1:56:31
  Yeah, exactly to. Everything else, you know, maybe
• 1:56:34
  I'm the one. Like.
• 1:56:37
  Sorry. Maybe I'm the one that's playing
• 1:56:38
  this all back here with my fractured brain.
• 1:56:42
  Well, earlier on I was like, I was making some connections
• 1:56:44
  myself that like, you know, Alaska was bought from the
• 1:56:48
  Russians and then Lee Harvey Oswald.
• 1:56:51
  Oswald worked for the Russians. He killed JFK in Alaska, former
• 1:56:56
  Russian territory very much. Maybe it was a power move by the
• 1:57:01
  Soviets. Maybe.
• 1:57:02
  Maybe it was the Soviets using Lee Harvey Oswald to kill JFK as
• 1:57:08
  revenge for them losing out on the territory of Alaska.
• 1:57:12
  Yeah, well, that's possibly, but.
• 1:57:17
  Conclusions can be drawn from everything.
• 1:57:19
  Yeah, exactly. That's what I was going to say.
• 1:57:20
  Like, you can say anything is a stretch, but earlier on we said
• 1:57:23
  that metaphysical Bigfoot could jump over Skyrift and take down
• 1:57:27
  a plane. So like when it comes to your
• 1:57:29
  theory on if the Harvey Oswald was sent by the the Russians to
• 1:57:34
  kill J&K because they screwed them out of Alaskan lands, well,
• 1:57:40
  it's not the, you know, weirdest theory that we can go back with
• 1:57:43
  here. Like.
• 1:57:43
  And then killed, killed the other guys who were involved in
• 1:57:46
  it, who were getting close to the truth about why and who
• 1:57:49
  killed JFK. And they were like, well, you
• 1:57:51
  know what? Let's kill him in Alaska so that
• 1:57:53
  the people who are also close to it know on a stay the fuck away
• 1:57:57
  from Alaska, Stay the fuck away from JFK.
• 1:58:01
  Yeah. Because Russia has always,
• 1:58:03
  they've always made a like a song and a dance about things.
• 1:58:06
  You know, everything is very public.
• 1:58:07
  Everything is for everyone to see that they want people to
• 1:58:10
  see. Yeah.
• 1:58:11
  So it's, you know, like Putin is the king of doing it, you know,
• 1:58:14
  like this whole thing, you know, when people get assassinated,
• 1:58:17
  they are public, you know, and it's, they're not like
• 1:58:20
  assassinations, assassinations, but people kill themselves
• 1:58:23
  publicly. And it's like, you know, no one
• 1:58:25
  just like shoots themselves in the head.
• 1:58:27
  It's always jump out of a window onto a street.
• 1:58:29
  There is, there is showbiz to it.
• 1:58:33
  Yeah. But I miss.
• 1:58:38
  Theories we went back to the JFK theories and Russia and we
• 1:58:42
  brought yeah I. Certainly think that like he was
• 1:58:48
  trying to bring about because he was like he was a Democrat IK
• 1:58:52
  bin I in Villina and I I really feel like he was trying to make
• 1:58:57
  such positive changes that the government were just like, hey,
• 1:59:01
  easy there, you fucking Kathy fucking cunt like they're
• 1:59:08
  probably just like we're not ready for this at all, And I
• 1:59:12
  think like yeah, a lot of it. I'm like, I with the whole like
• 1:59:17
  Boggs thing. I think Boggs was a good pile of
• 1:59:21
  his and he was just like, yeah, there's there's no other fucking
• 1:59:24
  reason other than the fact that the government just worked ready
• 1:59:27
  for his views and. Yeah.
• 1:59:30
  Except for Big Rose. So then, has anyone ever tried
• 1:59:36
  to find the Dark pyramid? I mean, we'll get there right
• 1:59:41
  now. Thank you, Ashina.
• 1:59:42
  Oh, my God. See, like we made the right
• 1:59:44
  decision taking a good level headed sober man on I mean,
• 1:59:49
  just, you know, you're sober, but you're not level headed at
• 1:59:51
  all. So.
• 1:59:52
  I'm not that over anymore. I'm sober now but I'm I'm back
• 1:59:56
  on the drink. You had lovely drinks at New
• 2:00:00
  Years. I didn't tell anyone.
• 2:00:03
  Didn't murder anyone and I didn't arrive and tell anyone
• 2:00:07
  that I made the bbci just had some nice if I thought my
• 2:00:11
  tolerance for alcohol will be a lot and more and I thought I
• 2:00:15
  would be on my fucking ear after a couple of cocktails, but I was
• 2:00:18
  I was actually fine had a. So for those of the listeners
• 2:00:24
  who who don't know just, he is sober and he has, uh, on Tuesday
• 2:00:28
  beaten alcoholism. Yeah, you.
• 2:00:32
  Are you beaten? Alcoholism.
• 2:00:34
  I just. Wasn't I?
• 2:00:36
  Just I just didn't drink. I'm not an alcoholic by any
• 2:00:38
  chance. And if I was an alcoholic, I've
• 2:00:41
  won. So that's a yeah.
• 2:00:43
  And I love that for you. I love that you have to.
• 2:00:46
  How long had it been since you drank until you drank at New
• 2:00:49
  Year? It was almost 10 years actually,
• 2:00:51
  like it would have been in March.
• 2:00:53
  It would have been 10 years since I had a sip of alcohol.
• 2:00:56
  Amazing. I decided fucking I'm I'm not
• 2:01:00
  the same kind of young fellas that goes mad on the beer
• 2:01:03
  anymore. Or so I would hope.
• 2:01:05
  So I just had a couple of cocktails and a couple of Mold
• 2:01:08
  wine. You have a good night.
• 2:01:10
  Yeah, it was great. We ate grapes under the table
• 2:01:12
  and I did that. I watched, I watched my my
• 2:01:18
  beautiful girlfriend almost talk to that on grapes because she
• 2:01:21
  panicked. I was I was eating and chewing a
• 2:01:25
  grape at home. Why were you both doing that?
• 2:01:28
  Because eating grapes on the tables, apparently.
• 2:01:30
  If you're completely fucking single and you're trying to
• 2:01:33
  bring in the love of your life. Apparently it's for luck.
• 2:01:36
  That's, that's what I was and uh, she, she was going to do it.
• 2:01:40
  I said I'll I'll do it when she's like I had to fucking.
• 2:01:43
  I don't have any actual tables in my house either, so I had to
• 2:01:47
  go on. Same I have like a fucking like
• 2:01:50
  you know what a rented apt 2 chairs are at this.
• 2:01:54
  Yes, like there's. One meal that can fit on it.
• 2:01:56
  Yeah, that's how I did it. But I was like, I was like
• 2:01:59
  fucking ducked under it. So I was like now fuck.
• 2:02:01
  This I had to pull an old table out of my garage and clean it
• 2:02:06
  and then bring it, bring it into the house and there was barely
• 2:02:10
  room for her. And I am not like these days, I
• 2:02:14
  am not very elastic. So I was in a lot of pain
• 2:02:19
  underneath that table. And yeah, how?
• 2:02:21
  Did you feel the next day? Did you have?
• 2:02:24
  Hangover. Oh, I was like, I was fun.
• 2:02:26
  To be honest, I only had I had a couple of sex on the beaches,
• 2:02:29
  which I felt very weird asking the waitress.
• 2:02:31
  Nothing. In there anyway.
• 2:02:33
  Around vodka and cherry liqueur in, in, in that bad boy.
• 2:02:37
  And then I had two mulled wines and when we got back.
• 2:02:41
  So yeah, I was Grant walk off and I said, you know what?
• 2:02:45
  I don't want to have this hearse and I'll just go back to a
• 2:02:48
  normal life. I love that all of you.
• 2:02:54
  Alaska. How about?
• 2:02:56
  Alaska, I can't, I can't get through this unless both of you
• 2:03:01
  just say Alaska, you have to go through it right now.
• 2:03:04
  So see, you've already done it or seen, say, Alaska.
• 2:03:08
  Alaska. No, Alaska.
• 2:03:10
  Danny just read the book in the water, yeah.
• 2:03:13
  I I loved it. Now I had to see.
• 2:03:15
  He did it. He did it.
• 2:03:17
  I need to pee. Hang on.
• 2:03:20
  You just need. I know I needed to pee.
• 2:03:23
  I know I lost it so. Bladder like a Terry's chocolate
• 2:03:26
  orange. Aliens fucking there's one
• 2:03:29
  Nathan fucking the thank you machine, Nathan Campbell.
• 2:03:34
  He attempted to find the pyramid that we've just been talking
• 2:03:38
  about because Alex is going to have to cut out about fucking 7
• 2:03:41
  minutes there a man named Nathan Campbell.
• 2:03:45
  Don't laugh. Let me fucking Alex.
• 2:03:49
  And. I'm.
• 2:03:51
  Trying to do it. Shut up.
• 2:03:52
  I'm trying to fucking do it. To give him a point to cut it
• 2:03:55
  on. All right, shut up.
• 2:03:56
  OK, 321, a man named Nathan Campbell actually attempted to.
• 2:04:04
  I beat you to death. I'm trying to do it.
• 2:04:08
  Just let me do it. I'm sorry.
• 2:04:14
  I'm sorry. I was getting there all right.
• 2:04:18
  OK, so a man named. Oh, should you get the north of
• 2:04:30
  India? Oh yeah, I can meet the rest
• 2:04:32
  you. Could.
• 2:04:33
  Just. So named Nathan Campbell, he
• 2:04:38
  actually attempted to find the pyramid back in 2020.
• 2:04:41
  He hired a charter plane to drop him off as close to the
• 2:04:44
  coordinates of the pyramid as he could get.
• 2:04:47
  And then with him he had four months of camping equipment.
• 2:04:51
  So obviously, you know, he had to kind of extrapolate where the
• 2:04:57
  coordinates for this, for this pyramid were.
• 2:05:00
  And, you know, to the best of his knowledge with his research,
• 2:05:02
  he was like, I've got these coordinates.
• 2:05:04
  I'm going to get someone to drop me off in the Alaskan wilderness
• 2:05:08
  and I'm going to find this like, incredibly powerful and
• 2:05:12
  mysterious and possibly alien and military base.
• 2:05:16
  And I was like, I think on my own.
• 2:05:19
  My favorite part of that is that you just had a buddy named
• 2:05:23
  Jason. Jason was like, yeah, I'll drop
• 2:05:27
  you off at the fucking Alaskan wilderness.
• 2:05:30
  He just happened to know a pilot called Jason.
• 2:05:33
  So he was 41 when he came up with this plan.
• 2:05:36
  And this is like during COVID. So this is like the ultimate
• 2:05:39
  stupid man during COVID project. I would have done the dark
• 2:05:43
  pyramid. So he had he he was married, he
• 2:05:47
  had kids. So to, you know, to put his poor
• 2:05:51
  beleaguered wife at ease, he brought two way satellite
• 2:05:55
  communicator so that he could send messages.
• 2:05:57
  So his buddy Jason was a pilot and he just went to his buddy
• 2:06:02
  who's a pilot is like here you fly me to Alaska and drop me
• 2:06:05
  off. And his friend Jason was like,
• 2:06:07
  yeah, sure. Like if you're.
• 2:06:10
  Alaska, you're a lunatic. Like that's, that's just a,
• 2:06:13
  yeah. Yeah.
• 2:06:15
  So on the 27th of May in 2020, deep into COVID, Nathan was
• 2:06:20
  dropped off and he was feeling confident.
• 2:06:23
  The pilot arranged to pick him back up on September 15th.
• 2:06:26
  Like, you know, his plan was to be in there for months before
• 2:06:30
  the weather would get too cold. But by mid June, Nathan's family
• 2:06:33
  stopped getting his satellite texts and he was never seen
• 2:06:35
  again. Search parties were sent out
• 2:06:38
  looking for him. They didn't find any trace of
• 2:06:40
  him, No blood, no body, no sign of an attack.
• 2:06:43
  But they did find his journal. And in the last entry, he said
• 2:06:46
  that he was leaving to get water.
• 2:06:48
  And that was it. Nathan's disappearance left a
• 2:06:51
  lot of people convinced that he got too close to something, of
• 2:06:53
  course, too close to something that the government doesn't want
• 2:06:56
  us to know about. Another theory is that aliens
• 2:07:00
  got him. And in another theory is that
• 2:07:02
  bears got him and another theory is that he just decided to never
• 2:07:07
  come back. He just hated his life and he's
• 2:07:11
  essentially committed suicide. And this reminds me of the the
• 2:07:16
  book. Sorry, No, I was going to say, I
• 2:07:20
  was going to say the book and subsequent movie Into the Wild,
• 2:07:24
  which is the story of Chris McCandless, who like, like kind
• 2:07:29
  of just hated his life and wanted to go live in the wild.
• 2:07:32
  A guy called John Krakow wrote the book Into the Wild, and it
• 2:07:36
  documents his journey from like, you know, simple, small town
• 2:07:41
  life, perfectly content kind of life that he just decided, you
• 2:07:46
  know, was suffocating him. And he went into the wilderness
• 2:07:50
  in Alaska. And he went and stayed at this
• 2:07:53
  bus that he called the Magic Bus.
• 2:07:56
  And he thought that he could live off the land and he could
• 2:07:59
  live in the wild and he could survive and thrive and just live
• 2:08:02
  this simple life in the wilderness.
• 2:08:05
  But he was not built for those skills, for that life.
• 2:08:08
  He didn't have any skills. He wasn't an outdoorsman.
• 2:08:11
  He bought some books that, like, you know, would identify
• 2:08:14
  poisonous plants, you know, dangerous animals, how to deal
• 2:08:18
  with and all that kind of stuff. But he didn't actually have the
• 2:08:20
  skills. It's not the kind of skills that
• 2:08:21
  you can just read in the book and then, you know, apply with
• 2:08:23
  like, you know, perfection. And I think this like, you know,
• 2:08:27
  Nathan Campbell is a bit of a character like that.
• 2:08:30
  He lost his mind in COVID and was like, I'm going to go find
• 2:08:33
  this fucking dark pyramid. I, I am the man to find it.
• 2:08:38
  And he dropped himself off and didn't have a plan.
• 2:08:41
  Like, you know, he was out in the the woods, you know, like in
• 2:08:44
  the middle of nowhere in this vast, you know, 400,000 square
• 2:08:49
  kilometer state. And yeah, he had coordinates,
• 2:08:52
  coordinates. But like that he come came up
• 2:08:54
  with and he was in a state that has 140,000 bears.
• 2:09:00
  So there's every chance that he just went up there, had a look
• 2:09:03
  around and then just fucking got eaten.
• 2:09:07
  Yeah, or or aliens both fucked them into it.
• 2:09:10
  He's oblivion. Or aliens looked at him and
• 2:09:14
  thought that he had some kind of like Jackie on ass's ass.
• 2:09:17
  Yeah. And then?
• 2:09:18
  Oh my God. The Jackie.
• 2:09:20
  'S ass. Yeah, Hell yeah.
• 2:09:24
  Yeah. So like, again, like we can go
• 2:09:28
  into conspiracies here and be like, can we talk about?
• 2:09:32
  Because I just see I didn't make any notes on the Ottoman.
• 2:09:37
  Can you tell us about the Ottoman?
• 2:09:39
  Well, The thing is just pretty. It's it's rudimentary.
• 2:09:44
  The locals will tell you that there is a.
• 2:09:48
  Talk to the locals. I didn't make any notes with the
• 2:09:50
  locals. It's the same, it's the same as
• 2:09:54
  as every story you've ever heard.
• 2:09:56
  There's in the River Potters and at night they'll turn into Maine
• 2:10:04
  and went to the village and fucking snatch something or
• 2:10:06
  something or other. It's just it's the same story of
• 2:10:09
  some. Virgin and take her into the
• 2:10:11
  into the river and you know, yeah.
• 2:10:15
  They're the ones that do this kind of thing.
• 2:10:17
  And then like, I think in in India, I think there's they have
• 2:10:22
  the same thing with like the crocodiles, like, you know,
• 2:10:26
  anything that like is this weird thing that lives in water for
• 2:10:32
  some reason, we always have a water thing.
• 2:10:35
  That's that's the thing that can turn into a human.
• 2:10:38
  It's where like, you know, obviously.
• 2:10:40
  I, I mean, respect the fucking sea, first of all, right?
• 2:10:45
  But if you tell me that anything fucking weird happens in the
• 2:10:48
  sea, I'm like, yeah, it probably did because it's the sea.
• 2:10:52
  Respect the sea. Oh yeah, like I suppose like
• 2:10:54
  you've got the things like mermaids, like the manatee or
• 2:10:57
  whatever, like that is or, or. Even.
• 2:10:59
  Where the manatee vagina is the most is the closest resembling
• 2:11:06
  to a human vagina. That's where that.
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  Did you see that? That Stingray?
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  No. Oh look at the video of the
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  Stingrays vagina if. You if you.
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  Told If. You're telling me right now that
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  you jerked it to a sting, right? I've never talked it, but I'm
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  not I'm not even at all off the table as of yet.
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  But if if you look at. It it's definitely not not an
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  option. There's.
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  I'm. Just saying.
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  Just saying. Like fucking.
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  Actually, a guy that I'm talking to, I think he has earned many,
• 2:11:41
  many points in talking to me. So he messaged me out of nowhere
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  and he was just like, oh cool. So he is Scottish and he is
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  living in Scotland and he messaged me and he was just
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  like. Oh.
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  Glasgow. That that's not answering my
• 2:11:59
  question. Polish.
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  Polish kind of answers my question.
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  Yeah, the I don't know how to put a little uh, fuck black
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  which. Yeah.
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  Never mind, I don't want to hear.
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  I don't want to hear what your lack of wits.
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  But eh, what I'm asking is, was he the the slave owner kind of
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  Scottish or the good kind of Scottish?
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  I don't know, like his mom is Irish.
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  Yeah, well then he's. His his granddad was Polish,
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  then his dad was. Scottish.
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  Yeah. Good Catholic boy, Yeah.
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  He is Catholic. So he he sent me like this
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  article that had come up and it was about Bearsden, Bearsden
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  shark. So this really weird fucking
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  prehistoric shark that the, the thin is, is like an anvil.
• 2:12:57
  It looks like, you know, like it.
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  Yeah, just. Flat on the top, whatever.
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  And the last fucking known, I guess sighting of the shark was
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  in a river in Glasgow and where they found this, this in 1983.
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  And then they like, he just sent me.
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  He was like, oh, just because I know you like sharks.
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  And I was like, well, now I have to marry you.
• 2:13:23
  Would you want to sabotage it in somewhere for yourself, Danny?
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  Thank you. Thank you.
• 2:13:28
  Look at a trasher shack thing just to keep it on to the
• 2:13:31
  software it it explains how trasher sharks actually sure.
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  So when it comes along, it goes, it goes to Shoals of fish and it
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  Rams itself at the shore of fish.
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  And at the last second it turns upside down and uses its tail to
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  snap. And it snaps so fast that it
• 2:13:58
  actually like boils the water and creates bubbles and storms a
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  bunch of fish. And then it just comes in and
• 2:14:07
  eats all the fish afterwards. And like, there's only like a
• 2:14:10
  couple of other animals that can hit that kind of velocity, which
• 2:14:13
  is like that, you know, mantis shrimp or and, and.
• 2:14:15
  One other one that is the fastest.
• 2:14:18
  Yeah, down a bunch that does, yeah.
• 2:14:21
  Yeah. Yeah, so like.
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  Maybe that's what the blue bits. Maybe that's what the but that's
• 2:14:25
  what. I mean.
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  That the blue is that the blue is something along that lines
• 2:14:30
  that is like, yeah, super. Sonic some something other
• 2:14:33
  massive creature down, yes, that's something insane.
• 2:14:36
  We can, we can do this. We have like a bunch of fucking
• 2:14:38
  time left. What I wanted to say is that the
• 2:14:40
  blue right? So Alaska for a bunch of time
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  with left. The thing is the sea, right?
• 2:14:48
  So I have a whole thing like I I talk about on every fucking
• 2:14:51
  episode that everyone's like, Oh yeah, like we only do like
• 2:14:53
  fucking 5 to 7% of the sea and blah blah.
• 2:14:56
  So we stopped discovering it because the pressure is blah
• 2:14:59
  blah, right? What I fully fucking I fully
• 2:15:04
  believe that the bloop right, which people try to explain away
• 2:15:08
  as like they've even tried to say that it's tectonic.
• 2:15:12
  Plate. It's obviously plate tectonics,
• 2:15:14
  Danny. Well.
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  Yeah, that's no. My.
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  Thing it's a big fucking ass fucking creature that we haven't
• 2:15:23
  discovered. Maybe Big Jackie O Nas this is
• 2:15:29
  like fucking like there's there's something else there
• 2:15:32
  that I think it's a creature. I think it's whatever because
• 2:15:34
  you cannot fucking tell me right?
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  And my whole I will dedicate my whole fucking life to basically
• 2:15:41
  knowing that there is still megalodon shark.
• 2:15:44
  There's no way there isn't still megalodon shark.
• 2:15:48
  There's no way that there isn't megalodon sharks.
• 2:15:52
  And I think it's just, it's happened to the fact that it
• 2:15:55
  could be something fucking tiny, like I guess maybe like a
• 2:15:59
  fucking whale farting or whatever the fuck that noise
• 2:16:02
  could be. But I don't believe, I don't
• 2:16:06
  think that you could come to me and tell me that there is
• 2:16:09
  anything in the sea that's extinct.
• 2:16:12
  You can't because we know what? Have you looked everywhere?
• 2:16:16
  Have you looked everywhere? You're like, oh, this is
• 2:16:19
  extinct. Where?
• 2:16:19
  Like where did you did you look everywhere for that?
• 2:16:23
  Where did you look? Discovered I believe and that
• 2:16:27
  there is oceans are one giant massive huge ocean that is
• 2:16:34
  actually underneath the Earth's crust between the crust and the
• 2:16:38
  mantle and and my working theory on the bloop would be that
• 2:16:46
  you're a different fact that the back.
• 2:16:52
  Of course. It's my theory.
• 2:16:54
  In like 25 years, but yeah, well.
• 2:16:57
  Feature stuff, Danny, for Christ sake.
• 2:16:59
  Well, it's my theory. My theory that the the plate
• 2:17:05
  iconic. It's not.
• 2:17:07
  It wasn't the heating of the plates.
• 2:17:09
  It was the separating of the plates and an air pocket.
• 2:17:14
  Yeah, such as a heated, A heated air pocket came out from the
• 2:17:21
  mantle through our eh, our underwater and like just a trap
• 2:17:28
  air bubble that would have been in this eh ocean that's
• 2:17:31
  underneath our plate tectonics or our plates, tectonic plates,
• 2:17:34
  sorry. And when the tectonic plates
• 2:17:36
  separate just a little bit, ah, no, came up an air bubble just
• 2:17:40
  came up through it, through the Earth or through the through the
• 2:17:45
  cross and into our ocean and created basically a mantle fart
• 2:17:51
  that would have been filled with the Earth.
• 2:17:53
  'S farting. So the Earth was farting as
• 2:17:56
  sulphur filled a fart from the the actual hell that is the
• 2:18:03
  Earth's mantle. And maybe that sulphur came up
• 2:18:07
  through the ocean, penetrated through the surface of the
• 2:18:11
  ocean, and took down some planes above Alaska.
• 2:18:15
  Way to bring it back, way to play it back here.
• 2:18:17
  That's absolutely what a professional and I'm just.
• 2:18:22
  Going to bring some professionalism to this every
• 2:18:25
  time I'm on. I've been Arsheen, I've been
• 2:18:28
  Arsheen. She's been Justy.
• 2:18:34
  Hey, we didn't talk about the millions and millions of people
• 2:18:36
  that went missing in Alaska. We didn't talk about Bigfoot.
• 2:18:38
  We didn't talk about the aliens. We talked about football.
• 2:18:41
  So maybe we'll get back to it. He's been intolerable.
• 2:18:44
  He's been professional. I've been barely here.
• 2:18:47
  Thanks for hanging out with us for a spell you guys.