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Magick Mike XXL: The Aleister Crowley Experience · Hocus Pocus Lack Of Focus

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  The weave are the spa jiggle, hocus pocus, Lack of focus, the
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  very uneducational podcast that pinballs its way through
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  subjects such as witchcraft, conspiracies, paranormal
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  activities and high strangeness. I'm justy your resident, easily
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  distracted. Oh look, a microphone.
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  And as always, I'm joined by the Hostess with the most chest.
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  When asked if she would banshee, she said not only would I
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  banshee, I banned all the pronouns because I'm no walk.
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  Liberal cook. It's Danny.
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  Thomas. Oh, it's so funny because I am
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  notoriously very left-leaning. Yeah, I I'm really going to try
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  and push the agenda that you are right wing.
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  Nazi. Yeah, this.
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  That would be most fun, right? What?
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  What do you offer us today? Aleister Crowley we've got
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  today. And it's going to be a banger.
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  Yeah, not not Charles Crowley. The rest are.
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  Not Charles, not Charles Crowley as I have.
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  That was my dog brain. But Aleister Crowley, one of the
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  most infamous people that has ever walked to the earth, an
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  absolute YEAH Tour de force of folk opera.
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  And I don't know if we're going to fit this into our normal 2
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  hours of shape. It's ridiculous.
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  Like, so we had both kind of gone down rabbit holes this week
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  and it was really funny because we didn't plan this, just he
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  just randomly sent me a voice note saying that he was gone
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  down all these like Charles Crowley rabbit rabbit holes and
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  stuff. And I was like.
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  Literally Alice. Probably not.
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  Not, not, not Charles Crowley. Did I say Charles?
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  Yeah, we're. Going to say.
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  We're going to have to have a Charles Crowley alarm here.
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  We're. Going to have to have him on the
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  show. I'll just explain the situations
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  like you need to come on here now.
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  But yeah, we bought, we bought kind of dug away into some
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  independent rabbit holes about Aleister Crowley.
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  Yeah, like, like ridiculous stuff.
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  Just insane, insane stuff. Necromancy.
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  I mean mostly just orgies really was his.
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  Sex magic. That's that's just if.
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  Yeah, if I had two words to describe them, it would just be
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  sex magic. Speaking of, I have more witchy
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  gossip. You want to go into the witchy
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  gossip? We'll start this out first
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  because it does tie into what you just said.
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  So I did a money spell for myself last night, right?
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  I was at a party, not a sex party, fine.
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  And I came home drunk and I was like, I'm going to do a money
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  spell because I really want to buy this pair of headphones.
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  I put like a lot of shit into it.
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  It's I'm actually looking at it right now.
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  The jar is right in front of me. The headphones that I want are
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  100 and 4999. This guy, this absolute fucking
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  weirdo who has followed me for the longest time, offered me
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  £150 to watch him come on his own face.
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  OK. I was like, Yep.
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  Yeah. Give me a call there now, Like
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  answer the phone to him. He folded up like a pretzel,
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  comes on his own face in his mouth, and then hangs up.
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  And then my revolute ping received 150 from the man.
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  Fantastic. That's never, I'm probably never
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  going to get a woman, eh Sage £150 to watch me blue fall over
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  my own face. Yeah, yeah, that's fascinating.
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  I'm glad what my sisters eh said this week.
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  Oh, good luck with the podcast. I'm going to be listening and
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  within the 1st 5 minutes of this podcast you've talked about a
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  man putting his fucking ankles to his ears and coming on his
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  own face. So I mean.
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  I get to get the headphones that I want, so who cares?
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  Witchcraft works. I'm.
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  Probably going to have to do a lot of work my own headphones.
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  I can get him to call me again and then I can bite.
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  If he wants to, I'll watch him. I'll watch him spit all over his
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  own face for £150. Things are tough.
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  Yeah, he's he's a, he's a weird guy.
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  But so Speaking of your sisters. OK.
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  That's yeah, nice segue. Yeah, I mean, like I'm normally,
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  this was the the thing on the last podcast.
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  I'm so bad at Segways. So we've received a very, very,
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  I'm not going to call it fun story.
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  It's fun for you. Very disturbing story.
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  It's fun for me. I loved it.
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  I thought it was great. From Justy's sister.
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  We do have her full permission to talk about this on the
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  podcast. Just you found out for the first
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  time. Was it yesterday?
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  Yeah, yeah, yesterday. And just, he wasn't aware of
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  this at all. So I'm going to let you tell the
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  story and then we will jump into our friend Charles Crowley.
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  Aleister Crowley. Fuck.
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  It is Aleister. I am.
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  I honestly thought you were joking there.
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  So just just to preface this with all you've been all week
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  looking up Aleister Crowley stuff.
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  I've just gone down I've, I've fallen into the Aleister Crowley
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  rabbit hole. And as everybody's going to
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  learn, all of his stuff is about devil worship.
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  And he like, you know, praise to certain gods who are basically
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  Lucifer and all all his buddies. Yeah.
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  It's it's kind of weird that it was this week that my sister
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  decided to go on to me. She was like, hi, because she
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  talks like this. She's really nice.
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  I love her voice. Sounds exactly like my
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  sister-in-law. And I was like, oh, comforting,
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  Yeah. Yeah, she's, she's an absolute
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  sweetheart and eh, so she's really nice, really proper.
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  And she was like, I don't know if you know the, the story, eh,
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  because I'm way younger than my sister.
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  Like she's, she's the eldest, I'm the youngest.
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  There's like 7 years between us. When she was three years of age,
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  apparently she was having like visions in our house where like
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  she was visited by what she described as a large bull
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  figure, which I still think she's thinking of a goat.
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  But she said a large bull with the horns, big blackhead on him
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  clip clop of his hooves as he was in the room, a big black
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  clock and she knew him. She was three years of age.
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  She explained it to me that we have at this stage all she had
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  was like this is 198182 then and she was saying all we had at
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  home was black and white television with two channels and
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  like a record player. So it's not like she was
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  watching The Omen or The Exorcist.
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  And my family, devout Catholics, so like they wouldn't have any
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  of this kind of stuff in the house that have a Sacred Heart
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  of Jesus hanging up. So like there'd be no thought.
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  My mother was morbidly afraid of anything got to do with the, the
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  devil or the queer fellow. She just called him the other
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  lad. Like she wouldn't even like want
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  to talk about them. So like, they're my sister as
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  well. She's three years of age.
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  So she wouldn't have like the cognitive ability to kind of
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  just like go and find out this kind of stuff.
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  So she said that she knew him as like Satan, the devil, Lucifer,
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  all these things. Like she was saying these words.
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  This is her story again, like I'm I'm not telling you what I
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  do. I don't believe in this, but she
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  was explaining it to me like she's like so in the house we
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  grew up in, it's in the backroom at the wall where the the room
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  touches off of the bathroom. He used to stand there and stare
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  at her in her bed. Now the thing that's weird about
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  this is I moved back into the house I grew up in and that's my
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  fucking bedroom. And now that I've been looking
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  up fucking devil worshippers all week, my sister out of nowhere,
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  unprompted, comes up with this. Oh, I hear you've got a weird
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  podcast. Now here's a weird story from
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  our youth that you didn't know about beforehand.
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  But I was visited by the actual honest to God devil who
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  proclaimed themselves as Lucifer.
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  And he used to stalk me as a child in the room that you now
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  sleep in. So yeah.
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  I would love that. Yeah, you would.
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  Again, like I said, I'm a non believer.
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  I don't, I don't believe in like all this stuff until it's
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  presented with me and I'm lying with my eyes wide open on the
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  bed. Go on.
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  Please don't come tonight. Please don't come tonight.
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  Please don't come tonight. That's what she said.
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  But sorry, I can't give up an option.
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  I knew we were going to say I was trying to work in.
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  That's what he said. Because men are notoriously shy
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  at me, women going. But yeah, we got there first.
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  Yeah, that's the weird because I don't normally have these
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  stories. It's normally you talk most shit
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  into a jar and fucking lads coming on their faces, but I
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  have. Never shot into a jar.
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  Well, OK, let's let's say you're probably a half a bottle of wine
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  away from at any stage, but we've got jokes that you Danny
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  brandishing the Wayne that she's going to have tonight and let's
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  try and get through this stand before you fucking get into the
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  giddy mode. Unusable for the most.
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  So let's let's right move on from you.
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  Haven't guys come on her face and me having the devil visit me
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  at night, eh? Let's jump straight into eh
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  Aleister Crowley. I know there is a song about
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  Aleister Crowley, but I can't. Osborne hasn't.
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  No, I know. But anytime that I say his name,
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  I say it like Ellen or Rigby, like Aleister Crowley.
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  I was doing the same thing. Yeah, I know.
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  Because it just hits perfect. But also he is on the cover of
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  the Sergeant Pepper album as well.
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  So yeah. And we have discussed that when
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  we were talking about Paul being the replaced beetle.
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  There's a lot of stuff that kind of ties in here to different
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  things. So much weird shit.
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  I am opening my notes, but do you want to start us off there?
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  Eh yes, I don't have any notes so I'm just going to eh just off
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  the top of my kown and he was born in 1875 to a fairly
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  affluent family. I forget where where it is but
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  it's a it's a super posh place in England anyways, but he's
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  English. Plymouth.
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  He was born in Plymouth. Plymouth, Yeah, yeah, he was
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  born in Plymouth, but there's another place where I guess it
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  doesn't matter, but eh, they're rich.
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  Anyways. They were a family that had a
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  brewery and they supplied beer to like pubs all over England or
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  all over the local eh area. Anyways, by the time Alistair
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  was born, he was born Edward Alistair Crowley I believe, and
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  he adopted Alistair later on in life, but his father who was
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  Edward as well, he ended up get making all the money after the
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  family sold their business and then he became a minister in
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  this church that there were very devout Christians.
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  So like proper like EV evangelists.
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  I believe there were. Is that what I look, I'm going
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  to get a lot of details wrong because I am an idiot.
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  But he ended up marrying the his mother in 1874, the year before
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  Crowley was born, and she converted over to his
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  evangelism. So the two of them are very
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  devout Christians. Extract Plymouth Brethren is
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  what the religion I guess was called.
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  So, yeah, yeah. The father kind of became a
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  after they sold the the business and became kind of rich.
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  He had nothing else to do except for like he just became a
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  minister and he was going around preaching the word of the Lord
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  and he was sold about that. Like he would read them Bible
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  verses after every meal that they had.
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  By the time Crowley got to age 11, I believe it was his father
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  died from cancer. I think it was throat cancer or
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  tongue cancer. One of them once, but it was a
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  mouth cancer. Anyway, that's when Alistair
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  proudly went off the rails and kind of, you know, started
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  acting out. He kind of went against, like,
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  the religion as hard as possible.
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  And his mother was like, plagued by this because he was, yeah, he
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  was basically a little shit. He was just trying everything he
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  could. And he was sent off to a
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  boarding school, I believe somewhere in Plymouth.
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  Eh, when he came back, he was like, he was riding everything.
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  He was like even just as a young lad, on one of their trips,
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  there was a chambermaid and he rolled the chambermaid on his
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  mother's bed and his mother found the two of them in the
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  trolls of it. And that's when she kind of had
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  enough and she kicked him out of the house.
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  I think he was 15 at that stage, so.
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  He. He was on his own by that stage,
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  but he has inherited the money from his father, Which would
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  probably be about £20 million sterling like in today's money.
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  But also they didn't have a lot of, like they didn't have
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  Netflix, you know what I mean? Like they didn't have stuff to
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  be spending money on frivolously.
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  That money lasted way longer than you would imagine.
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  The stuff that he was he got himself into then was basically
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  poetry because like you'd not else to do, everybody was into
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  poetry at the time. The.
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  Victorian goth kid, of course. Basically, that's it.
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  You know what I mean? Like basically everyone was
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  Edgar Allan Paul. They just wanted to write poetry
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  about girls, farts or whatever they were they were doing at the
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  time. And he was into mountain
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  climbing and hiking. He got into the occult as well,
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  which ended up being like the big fucking thing in his life
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  that ended up being like they're all-encompassing thing.
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  Like he'll always be a reclaimer, He'll always be a
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  poet and a writer. But the thing that just like
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  took over his life was his love for magic.
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  Magic with a with AK magic. With a he was the first person
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  to actually coin. That wasn't it.
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  He was. I think so.
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  Like, yeah, he he was obsessed with with the number 11.
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  If we're going to get into numerology, you actually know a
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  little bit probably more about numerology than me.
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  Well, he was mad into the number 11.
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  So K is apparently the 11th, eh, letter of the alphabet and he
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  kind of just threw that in everywhere.
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  He also changed how he spelled Alice or he changed his name
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  from Edward, Alice or to just Alice or Crowley.
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  It's debate whether it's Crowley or Crawley.
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  It's. Crowley.
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  Yeah, but I think somewhere he did write a poem where he rhymed
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  Holy and Crowley. So I don't know if that's, you
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  know, up to interpretation, but I'm going to call him Crowley
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  anyways. So as he left the house, he had
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  plenty of money, so he kind of went on this cycle of absolute
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  fucking debauchery. And I don't know if you want to
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  pick it up from here. Every drug.
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  Every drug that you could think of.
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  Orgies everything and in 19 O four he founded claimed channel
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  being called as it like a was I think it is.
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  A A was, yeah. Who dictated a holy book to him,
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  which she calls the Book of Law? So the core message of the Book
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  of Law is do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law,
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  which is basically very early Levan Satanism.
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  Well this a was character is for him is basically an evolved
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  elevated version of Lucifer. So it is the same it is the same
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  demon but he was like my version of him is better.
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  So it is basically Satanism. Yeah, so then this became the
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  foundation of his religion, Salima.
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  So Selema and Louise, a blend of ceremonial.
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  I know, I just made myself laughing, blend of ceremonial
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  magic. Egyptian gods.
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  He fucked heavy with the Egyptian gods.
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  Very much ego driven spiritual anarchy.
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  Really. Like it didn't it was live fast
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  die young kind of shit that he really got himself into.
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  And so magic with AK, to him it basically meant using willpower
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  to shape reality. So essentially what witchcraft
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  is today. It's all energy.
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  So this would be rituals, invocations, astral projection
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  and summoning some demons which he loved huge into sex magic as
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  well and like ritual orgies. So he I would do orgies,
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  masturbation, sigils and this is the anal sex because it was a
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  spiritual gateway apparently. I 100% agree with them if I'm
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  completely honest. You're on a date with a girl and
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  you're like, listen, I follow Salima.
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  So, you know, this is really just practice for me.
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  It'd be kind of fucked up if you did.
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  It's my kind of gas lighting I've actually got.
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  I'm calling the ass lighting. It's just where I convinced them
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  that it's the only it's the only good way to do it.
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  So, yeah, all of these, like, for this time was the early
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  1900s, they would have been like taboos, but he just turned them
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  all into like, rituals. Just everything fucked up that
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  you can't do. Yes, you could.
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  That was a ritual and that was part of his religion.
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  Like this just said, do ask thou wilt.
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  It's it's why he turned it into a religion.
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  But from early like in his life, his whole thing was hedonism and
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  he wanted to do what he was going to do no matter what.
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  And he, he kind of prided himself into bending people to
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  his like before he was talking about bending reality to his
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  will. His thing was kind of bending
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  people to his will. He was a very manipulative
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  person. Even as a teenager, he was very
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  kind of manipulative and he could.
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  Very charismatic and like, yeah, yeah, could wrap people around
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  his finger. It's it's it his mother called
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  him the beast and would say that she sees the number on him.
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  She called him the B666 and it was because he had this kind of
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  enchanting kind of personality like as we said, like that that
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  made that she found him right. That wasn't his virginity like
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  he was already been. He'd been writing people flat
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  out since he was like 12 years of age.
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  Like SH. I get everyone.
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  He was an absolute player and someone who could, you know,
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  talk to knickers off and on at an early age, like, but he was
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  just so from what we can tell, he was just so charismatic and
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  so forceful with his will that he could kind of get people to
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  do whatever he wanted from an early age.
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  It's, it's incredible, like. Yeah.
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  So you mentioned in there that she said she saw the number.
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  So 666, if you look at that in terms of spirituality, it is
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  message from the divine realm encouraging a shift in focus and
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  a return to balance. So that could very easily be
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  manipulated for someone to just stray off the path.
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  Yeah, 666 could be taken kind of either way, which would make a
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  lot of sense for him considering he was very sly and very
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  manipulative and could get people to do anything he wanted
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  really. Because he knew scripture
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  inside. Now his father used to, umm,
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  used to like just rattle off scripture to them like night and
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  day. And he had to follow around this
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  kind of travelling church because his father was a
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  minister. But he became obsessed with the
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  book of Revelations and this 7 headed 10 hard beast that was
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  Lucifer, that was like, you know, the, the end times, the,
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  the, the, the beast that was going to end at all.
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  So he became obsessed with that. And that's how, and I don't know
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  if it's one of these self professing things that the
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  mother was it because the mother called him the beast that he
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  rebelled and adopted that kind of persona and leaned into it
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  more because he wasn't getting love from his mother.
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  So he said, you know, fuck you, I'm going to lean into this kind
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  of a thing. Or was it because he was already
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  in trial in this kind of stuff and he was studying it?
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  Is that way she adopted that kind of a nickname for him?
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  That's a really good point, actually.
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  Yeah. Because like, I mean, and you
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  tend to find a lot of the time, so male serial killers and stuff
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  like that, a lot of them have really fucked up relationships
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  with their mother. Yeah.
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  Like either they got absolutely no love from them at all or too
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  much. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  And yeah, so it would make a lot of sense.
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  So he did all of the drugs, literally everything.
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  Heroin, cocaine, hash, peyote and ether.
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  He loved ether. Ether was his favorite by by a
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  country mile. And he would use these as part
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  of his rituals as well. He might have popped into a
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  cathedral as part of a magical working and then took a shit.
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  So you just don't know if it was you're.
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  Just rattling off as great as it's now at this point.
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  I am and that's my favorite part.
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  So he went in and took a shit in a cathedral.
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  I don't know if that was protest or.
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  We've all been caught. Sometimes a confessional box
• 21:11
  kind of looks like a. True, makes sense if the men
• 21:15
  always piss in wardrobes. Yeah, I.
• 21:17
  Don't know what that is. My brother pissed in a wardrobe
• 21:19
  and then tried to get out of wardrobe.
• 21:21
  The wardrobe fell on them and he kicked his way out of the back
• 21:23
  of the wardrobe and my father bet the ball itself in front of
• 21:26
  me and it was very funny. I thought you were going to say
• 21:29
  it killed him. I was just like what?
• 21:34
  That will be a. The wardrobe fell on him.
• 21:35
  I was like that. 'D be A twist.
• 21:36
  No, He. I.
• 21:37
  Thought you're going to say and he.
• 21:38
  Died. My brother used to sleepwalk
• 21:40
  when we were kids and he went into my sister's bedroom pissed
• 21:44
  in their wardrobe, tried to get out and it fell on the doors.
• 21:47
  So he and then he panicked and kicked his way out of the back
• 21:50
  of the wardrobe. And yeah, it was very fun
• 21:53
  watching my dad come in and there.
• 21:59
  Like that, me growing up in a big Catholic family, that puts
• 22:02
  the fear of God into me. Like you knock anything over,
• 22:04
  You're like, oh. Yeah, well, yeah, we used to
• 22:07
  destroy stuff, but yeah. I remember and it this sounds
• 22:11
  like I was beaten black and blue when I was a kid.
• 22:13
  I wasn't, but to a point where Irish Irish parents are so
• 22:18
  fucking scary that I remember the first time.
• 22:21
  Well, the first time I can remember, I broke a glass and I
• 22:24
  rang my mom on the House phone and I rang my auntie's house to
• 22:29
  tell her that I broke a glass. And she's like, why are you
• 22:31
  ringing me? And it's like, what do I do?
• 22:34
  Well, prison do I send myself to.
• 22:37
  I was like shit, like I give myself lashes in the background
• 22:42
  like how many Hare and Mary's fucking shot myself?
• 22:47
  Like, but anyway, the British tabloids then because he was
• 22:50
  always in the fucking tabloids for his shenanigans.
• 22:53
  Umm, they gave him the title. Where is it?
• 22:57
  The wickedest man in the world. But that's there's, there's kind
• 23:00
  of some, umm, some kind of stories around that as well.
• 23:04
  Like he, he actually enjoyed being the wickedest man in the
• 23:07
  world. He enjoyed having, yeah, this
• 23:09
  kind of stuff because it gave him a little bit of bravatas
• 23:12
  when it came to people who like, he could manipulate, who were
• 23:15
  into his cult kind of behavior. And like, I'm, I'm the real
• 23:19
  deal. Look, the tabloids are talking
• 23:20
  about me. Kind of.
• 23:21
  Yeah, I like the tabloids, basically.
• 23:23
  So they accused him of devil worship, human sacrifice,
• 23:26
  sodomy. Sodomy was illegal at this time.
• 23:29
  I'm being just fucking too much. But it is important to note then
• 23:33
  that most of this was like sensationalism.
• 23:36
  Like, he definitely did push the limits, but he wasn't like
• 23:39
  sacrificing versions or anything.
• 23:41
  A lot of it was to sell papers. To sell his own books as well,
• 23:46
  because like he was, he was a writer and he needed he needed a
• 23:49
  source. I mean, I know he was he was
• 23:50
  rich at the start, but come to the end of it, he did need a
• 23:53
  source of income because he was on a lot of the drugs.
• 23:57
  A. Lot of them.
• 23:58
  So he basically was trying to destroy all dogmatic religion,
• 24:02
  explore consciousness through ritual, sex, drugs and magic,
• 24:07
  and help people find their will or their cosmic purpose, which
• 24:13
  is still very, very much alive in spiritual spirituality and
• 24:18
  practices and stuff like that today.
• 24:21
  It's like it's the same as like say, look at your fucking like
• 24:24
  your birth chart and your 7th houses, you know, family and
• 24:28
  relationships. So your destiny is to like mine
• 24:31
  apparently, is to marry rich, which I love that for me.
• 24:34
  Goodman, Rich. Anyway, we're like, we're really
• 24:42
  good for the for the, the tame dad.
• 24:45
  Yeah, that's what they're. Killing us, yeah, but at all was
• 24:50
  this is the first half an hour. Like it does get worse from
• 24:53
  here. Yeah, it gets so much worse.
• 24:56
  I haven't even opened my second bottle of wine yet.
• 24:58
  So when you go spirituality, it's all astrology, numbers,
• 25:02
  everything like that. I can take astrology with a
• 25:06
  pinch of salt to be honest, and I know that that might be hard
• 25:10
  to believe because I like to blame the moon on everything.
• 25:13
  Hard to believe because of the amount of stuff that you do
• 25:15
  believe in. Yeah, that's true.
• 25:17
  But what I do believe in is very much what he did and he is still
• 25:21
  very much commended in practices and the craft today.
• 25:25
  I personally don't really support him.
• 25:29
  I don't like him. I don't really.
• 25:31
  Yeah, there's, there's like a lot of shit that I don't kind of
• 25:34
  stand for. But I would fucking hope so,
• 25:38
  given, given some of the shit that he's done.
• 25:42
  We will get, we will get down there.
• 25:44
  We're just giving you the bare bones of the facts about him and
• 25:47
  his life right now. But yeah, so astrology is kind
• 25:50
  of, I do believe in the moon and the tides because that is just
• 25:55
  science. And then the moon being tied to
• 25:57
  women being fucking mental around the time in the full moon
• 26:00
  because the tides are high. So it's like, I do believe in
• 26:03
  all that, but not a fucking bunch of numbers are going to
• 26:05
  tell you what your purposes in life, what you're meant to do
• 26:08
  with the rest of your life. You're a star seed.
• 26:09
  You're whatever the. Yeah, plus there's 13 moons in a
• 26:13
  year and they just say 100% like left out what you Euclides is
• 26:19
  that what the the name of the Yeah, something like that.
• 26:21
  And he has, but it's it's the 13 sign and they got rid of the 13
• 26:25
  moon because it was the female deity.
• 26:28
  Yes. So basically they just wanted to
• 26:30
  get women out of everything and because the church are like.
• 26:33
  That's literally. Yeah, men patriarchy and yeah,
• 26:38
  yeah, they, they kind of got rid of anything that would be to do
• 26:42
  with like the godly Mother, anything that will be a deity
• 26:45
  that would be female, except for Mary, who is the, the, the
• 26:50
  mother of God, but she's just there to kind of facilitate God
• 26:53
  coming to the world. But yeah, so like I can't
• 26:58
  believe in astrology and the way it is because it, there's just
• 27:01
  so much stuff leftover. And like again, yeah, we're,
• 27:04
  we're heartland, true space and we're changing, eh, we're
• 27:09
  changing where we are all the time.
• 27:11
  So like where we are compared to where the stars are.
• 27:13
  That can't really tell you what's going on in your life.
• 27:16
  The moon I do believe in because it actually has a physical
• 27:18
  presence and a physical draw towards us.
• 27:22
  So yeah, I can believe that the moon affects us, but I can't
• 27:24
  believe that there's some lad called or I am out there with a
• 27:28
  belt and he's telling me what way, why, why I can't seem to
• 27:34
  win the fucking lottery. He's like crack that whip.
• 27:40
  You'll find that a lot as well that they so self limiting
• 27:43
  beliefs are like a fucking huge fucking thing, right?
• 27:46
  And This is why I don't buy into all the like the woo woo
• 27:49
  spirituality side of things because it's like, oh, like, you
• 27:52
  know, you're trying to manifest this, but you're operating from
• 27:55
  a place of lack and that's why you don't have it.
• 27:57
  It's like, no, I lack it and that's why I don't have it.
• 28:01
  So that's why I'm manifesting it.
• 28:03
  And like they'll make you think constantly.
• 28:05
  You have to constantly be in a state of positivity and
• 28:08
  receiving and everything. You're human, and like, you have
• 28:10
  to be. I believe that you already have
• 28:11
  it. It's like, all right, OK, fine.
• 28:13
  I'm going out with you, Jackman. Just so you all know.
• 28:16
  I'm going out with you, Jackman. I am married to you, Jackman.
• 28:20
  Fucking hell. Well, Rich hears about this.
• 28:25
  But you know what I mean? It's it's just things like that.
• 28:27
  It's all been twisted. And I do like while I don't
• 28:29
  agree with the majority of Crowley's life, the fact that he
• 28:33
  very much was putting just his own energy and his own workings
• 28:37
  into things and not relying on like numbers or stars in the sky
• 28:41
  is something I really do agree with.
• 28:44
  As much as I would say like, first of all, horrible human
• 28:49
  being, let's just get that one out there.
• 28:51
  Some of the stuff he does is. Absolutely.
• 28:52
  We are not condoning anything this man has done.
• 28:55
  Abhorrent human being. OK, you will you learn, but eh,
• 29:02
  I do have to commend his eh goal get ability like he will.
• 29:08
  He's not for lack of motivation. He.
• 29:10
  Gets. It done.
• 29:10
  Yeah, he's, he's, he's someone who's like, you know what, I
• 29:13
  want to do some shit today and I'm going to do some shit and he
• 29:16
  gets it done. But it's the whole thing.
• 29:17
  So it's like if you look at, you know, the book, like the secret.
• 29:19
  Yeah, familiar with it. Yeah.
• 29:20
  Yeah, Manifest. Yeah.
• 29:21
  This is why spell work I think and it has always worked for me.
• 29:26
  Well since I started you. I'm not like that far, but a
• 29:29
  year or two. I think it's because you're
• 29:32
  actually putting physical energy into things like the energy that
• 29:36
  you're even like ingredients that you need say like I buy all
• 29:40
  mine online, I'm going online, I'm spending my money, I'm
• 29:42
  getting these things, they're arriving.
• 29:43
  I'm opening them, I'm putting them into a jar.
• 29:45
  I'm like, you know what I mean? It's a lot of like energy that
• 29:48
  you're putting into it physically.
• 29:49
  It's just fucking quantum physics.
• 29:50
  Like anything you put outcomes back.
• 29:53
  That's like the karmic wheel, all that shit.
• 29:56
  And the fact that he was using like sex magic, which again, a
• 29:59
  lot of energy, putting his body through the like just any of
• 30:03
  these drugs. So like heroin, everything
• 30:05
  that's really fucking horrible for your body, you're putting
• 30:09
  yourself through. That's energy that your body is
• 30:12
  expending trying to deal with this high with these drugs that
• 30:16
  you've got in your system, all of this shit.
• 30:19
  And that's why I think he was so good at what he was doing,
• 30:24
  because he was putting so much of his body and his mind and his
• 30:28
  focus into this. And it comes back to you.
• 30:31
  Do you know I said the same thing with like blood magic?
• 30:33
  So I think I've explained this in the first episode.
• 30:36
  But blood is is seen as currency in the spiritual world.
• 30:40
  You're offering a sacrifice of your blood and then you get what
• 30:44
  you want in turn. And he certainly worked with a
• 30:48
  lot of fucking blood, will tell you that.
• 30:50
  Blood and Combs seem to be a lot of his his currency.
• 30:54
  Yeah, and I got a lot of things. So there are people that will
• 30:56
  still do animal sacrifice. Like I personally know a few
• 31:00
  witches who will use mostly chickens.
• 31:03
  The civil raised chickens to kill chickens and like bugs and
• 31:06
  stuff, which I don't believe in that side of things.
• 31:09
  But yeah, he did a lot of that. But then he also wrote a lot of
• 31:13
  these animals. So apparently.
• 31:17
  Allegedly I need the fucking Crowley family to come and sue
• 31:20
  us. Really interested in the fact
• 31:22
  that he had so much money at the start of the story.
• 31:24
  He died pretty much in poverty. Yeah, he was destitute by the
• 31:27
  end, Yeah. Yeah, he had nothing left all of
• 31:30
  like just spent all of his money on drugs and just hedonism
• 31:34
  basically. He had a pretty sad death.
• 31:37
  He was pretty much alone as well when he died.
• 31:39
  But since then he's become, I guess you could call him like an
• 31:44
  occult icon. People would refer to him as a
• 31:47
  spiritual revolutionary, a disgusting hedonist, A proto
• 31:52
  Rockstar chaos priest, a mad genius, or just an unhinged
• 31:57
  Victorian bisexual wizard who just lived his truth really,
• 32:02
  really loud. That sounds about right.
• 32:03
  That's, that's pretty much it. And then of course, we have like
• 32:07
  a he's had a massive impact on pop culture.
• 32:12
  And have you played, do you play Uncharted?
• 32:14
  The Uncharted. Game I'm familiar with with
• 32:16
  them, but I wouldn't have played them.
• 32:18
  It's the third one, I think, and the whole basis is to find
• 32:22
  Aleister Crowley's like hitting whatever the fuck, which is
• 32:26
  really interesting. So it goes a lot into like
• 32:28
  witchcraft and things, and it goes through the history, which
• 32:30
  is really cool. But Jimmy Page from Led
• 32:33
  Zeppelin, he was obsessed with Crowley, and he even bought
• 32:36
  Carly's old house up on Loch Ness.
• 32:38
  Bald skin mansion. That's that's what it's called.
• 32:45
  Is it balls? And yeah, not not spelled
• 32:49
  ballskin, but I had a good giggle at that one.
• 32:51
  But that's that house in itself is a fascinating one.
• 32:55
  It was built in the place of a church that burned down.
• 33:00
  And everybody that was in that church burned to death, and they
• 33:05
  built. Loves the symbol, yeah.
• 33:06
  They they built a house on it. So he, he bought the house that
• 33:10
  was built on that spent some time eh, up there.
• 33:12
  It was always the place where he always came back to, even though
• 33:15
  like he travelled the world and we'll get into this one that
• 33:17
  like where he, like he's been fucking everywhere, but he
• 33:21
  always came back to this mansion in eh Ballskin and Loch Ness,
• 33:26
  eh, after he died, as you say, Jimmy Page, he bought the house
• 33:31
  and of course he was touring as well.
• 33:34
  So he has a caretaker of the house and the caretaker would
• 33:39
  talk about how the house was just always cold.
• 33:43
  It was eerie. He could hear things.
• 33:46
  The house in itself is supposed to be just the creepiest,
• 33:50
  creepiest place. He ended up obviously selling
• 33:53
  the house and there was two families lived in the house
• 33:57
  after that, like 2, I think it was just two, two sets of
• 34:01
  couples and both of the sets of couples died while living in the
• 34:04
  house. And the house was empty.
• 34:07
  And I think, I think it was like recently enough, the house was
• 34:10
  empty. I think it was like 2018 or
• 34:11
  whatever burst into flames by itself, poof, nobody was in the
• 34:15
  house. Just there was no reason for the
• 34:17
  burst into flames. Well, not that I know of or that
• 34:20
  was kind of documented and it just burst into flames.
• 34:23
  So the house in itself has a history of being like this
• 34:26
  creepy place. It was a story behind it.
• 34:28
  Yeah, and like the likelihood of it being like arson as well as
• 34:31
  really low because it's so remote.
• 34:33
  It's like in the middle of nowhere, so it's like.
• 34:37
  It's it's nowhere because that's why he bought the house, because
• 34:39
  it was like so remote, had this history.
• 34:41
  Yeah, so it is like near Loch Ness, obviously, but you would
• 34:44
  have to go through wilderness for hours to find it.
• 34:48
  And The funny thing is he has a house on Loch Ness and at no
• 34:52
  stage does anyone be like, is there anything got to do with
• 34:54
  the Loch Ness Monster? Because there isn't.
• 34:57
  But like, it's because so much fucked up shit happens that
• 34:59
  people are like, I don't need a Loch Ness sponsor in this story
• 35:02
  because it's already fucking crazy.
• 35:04
  Yeah, exactly. Like it's, it's already weirder.
• 35:08
  So as we said earlier, he's got that Ozzy Osbourne song called
• 35:11
  Mr. Crowley on the cover of The Beatles, Sergeant Pepper's
• 35:15
  album, and basically has inspired everyone from David
• 35:18
  Bowie to Alan Moore to anyone who had a Tumblr face.
• 35:25
  He was supposed to be because like he did die in 1947.
• 35:28
  But they believe that like the 1960s revolution of free love
• 35:33
  and like drug taken, eh, did come off the back of Crowley
• 35:38
  kind of, eh, putting it out to the world that like, yeah, if
• 35:42
  you go out and have a little thing called like fucking
• 35:45
  hedonism and you look after yourself and you kind of take
• 35:48
  things that you want and you do whatever you want, then you will
• 35:52
  have fun. And you don't have to be
• 35:54
  restricted by Because he, he wanted to get rid of religion,
• 35:56
  like, yeah. And he wanted hedonism to be
• 35:58
  like this kind of a thing. But he, he was a classist.
• 36:01
  He was a part of the racist man. He, he, he, he did believe that
• 36:05
  like lower classes should be his slaves.
• 36:08
  But he wanted a kind of free love kind of society, like for
• 36:14
  himself, I suppose, maybe his kind of his peers, although I
• 36:19
  don't think he really thought anyone was his peer by the end
• 36:22
  of it. I do.
• 36:22
  I do believe he had a superiority complex as well,
• 36:25
  where he just thought anybody that he might meet that he was
• 36:28
  there better. Yeah.
• 36:29
  And he always wanted to be better and better and better.
• 36:32
  Where where will we should we start and kind of head for a
• 36:35
  timeline here? It's very hard to get a get a
• 36:37
  handle on the timeline here. Oh, it is because there's so
• 36:40
  many just offshoots and different things.
• 36:45
  All right, let's let's, let's try and get into how
• 36:47
  disgustingly horrible he was. Well yeah, I wouldn't mind
• 36:51
  getting to like looking at the likes of him getting involved in
• 36:55
  the occult. I forget the name of the day,
• 36:58
  the Order of the Golden. What was the name of those
• 37:00
  fuckers? Snitch.
• 37:03
  It was it wasn't the snitch ham. It's not the orders of Golden
• 37:08
  Dawn, but it's, it's a, it's, these are called people anyways
• 37:12
  that like it had some, eh, had some famous people in it.
• 37:16
  The most notably WB Yates, who is for our eh, Irish people here
• 37:22
  listening, eh? We'll know that Yates is a very
• 37:26
  famous poet and writer from Ireland who maybe not a lot of
• 37:29
  people would know that he was involved in this occult kind of
• 37:32
  a practice like he would have been into his.
• 37:34
  He's a fucking creepy. Person 100% creepy person makes.
• 37:38
  So much sense A. 100% he was a creep, but he would have been
• 37:44
  involved in this kind of stuff as well.
• 37:45
  He was into magic, he believed in a kind of an otherworldly
• 37:50
  magic and he was a part of this group.
• 37:53
  Why didn't I write anything down?
• 37:56
  I'm Googling it now. It's the, it's the ball and
• 37:59
  something run over anyways. But it was very, eh, we've
• 38:02
  already gone in, gone down the road of talking about the
• 38:04
  Masons, but it's a very Masonic kind of a thing where it's a
• 38:08
  there's orders in here and Crowley was accepted in there as
• 38:12
  kind of an outsider at first. Golden Dawn.
• 38:15
  The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.
• 38:17
  But I said that and everything. And yes, so the the Order of the
• 38:20
  Golden Dawn, he was accepted into it as kind of a, you know,
• 38:24
  you can come on in. We know that you're into your
• 38:26
  magic. So Crowley would have now it's
• 38:28
  reported that he would have been into like he would have got into
• 38:32
  like sleight of hand hypnotism, uh, stuff like that.
• 38:36
  Like beforehand, like the the kind of trick magic that would
• 38:39
  have been just magic with a plane all see not this special
• 38:42
  magic that is which. He did use for pickpocketing.
• 38:46
  A lot yes. So he like this is and and
• 38:49
  again, didn't need to pickpocket.
• 38:51
  He was just doing it because he wanted to see what he could get
• 38:53
  away with. So he was the kind of person who
• 38:57
  would he, he was teaching himself sleight of hand, just
• 39:00
  trickery. Umm, and he went into again,
• 39:04
  like I said, hypnotism and stuff like that.
• 39:06
  That was kind of like bending the will of other people.
• 39:08
  Like his will is stronger. So he wanted to bend the will of
• 39:11
  other people. When he found out that there was
• 39:14
  places like the Golden Dawn that practiced magic, he was straight
• 39:18
  away, I want to get, I want to get in there.
• 39:21
  Umm what the thing about was when he got in there, there was
• 39:24
  a bit of pushback. He kind of divided the place a
• 39:26
  little bit because he went in there and was like, I want to
• 39:30
  ride who I want and I want to do some drugs.
• 39:35
  He was still like practicing sex magic and bisexuality, doing
• 39:40
  whatever he wanted. And there was a lot of people in
• 39:43
  this order of the golden snitch that had him that didn't want
• 39:48
  him doing things his way. They kind of set up to get rid
• 39:52
  of him. And he wasn't all that happy
• 39:54
  with that because he wanted to get in there, get to the top
• 39:56
  spot and and to kind of oust their way of thinking.
• 40:00
  And he wanted to impose his way of thinking, his magic with AK,
• 40:03
  this sex magic, these kind of rituals with kind of sexual
• 40:08
  proclivities and masturbation and these kind of like drug and
• 40:12
  do sessions as well. And the likes of Yates and like
• 40:17
  I think Arthur Conan Doyle, who wrote Sherlock, I think he was
• 40:21
  part of this as well. Yes, actually, he used a bunch
• 40:24
  of his, like he wrote about him a lot and then in the the
• 40:28
  Sherlock Holmes and stuff, yeah. And Hemingway, Hemingway was,
• 40:31
  was a part of this as well. So a lot of kind of like people
• 40:34
  that you would know as like writers and intellectuals at the
• 40:36
  time were actually into this kind of eh, occult witchcraft
• 40:39
  stuff where they believed that imagination was the key to
• 40:45
  unlocking all of their powers of like, you know, writing and
• 40:48
  stuff like that. Like, so like they believed that
• 40:50
  like imagination was its own kind of magic, but Crowley
• 40:54
  believed that he could impose his will on anybody else's
• 40:57
  imagination, if you know, if you get what I'm saying.
• 40:59
  So they kind of weren't happy with him and they were kind of
• 41:02
  going to oust him. And he wanted to go up the
• 41:05
  ranks, but he was subdued by these guys.
• 41:07
  They didn't want him to go up the ranks, eh?
• 41:10
  So I believe he went to France and he got like ordained in
• 41:14
  there to a higher level because he knew somebody in France.
• 41:17
  Again, I'm going to like these details are probably eh, Fuzzy
• 41:20
  Wuzzy was a bear because I again, absolute Swiss cheese
• 41:24
  brain. He came back.
• 41:26
  He was like, I'm going to go in there and I'm going to take
• 41:29
  over. I'm going to take all the
• 41:30
  scripture and everything out of this, eh, out of the actual
• 41:33
  place where they had their meetings and stuff like that.
• 41:36
  He decides he's going to fucking charge and lay a siege to this
• 41:41
  place. Go in there, take all the
• 41:43
  scriptures, burn all this kind of stuff because he want to
• 41:45
  impose his himself in there. He wanted to take over this
• 41:48
  place and he was physically going to do it.
• 41:50
  So he got to the building and he was met by WBA it's and a bunch
• 41:54
  of other people. Now the story goes that they
• 41:58
  have a wizardy magic fight. He shows up with a large like
• 42:03
  upside down pentagram on his chest, large black 1A mask of
• 42:09
  some deity could be Osiris. And so he's wearing like this
• 42:13
  big, like either Egyptian or African mask, has a massive
• 42:16
  pendant on his chest and two black daggers and he comes in
• 42:21
  and they just start casting spells at one another.
• 42:23
  So WBA's and then Aleister Crowley are now casting spells
• 42:29
  at one another. What is the result of this?
• 42:31
  Absolutely. Focus on the lads are just like
• 42:33
  waving their arms about or whatever and this.
• 42:36
  Is. Insane.
• 42:37
  Finally Crowley decides that's it I'm getting fucking in there
• 42:40
  and he charges the stairs. But like all be 1, WB had the
• 42:46
  high ground and. No, you can't win, Crowley.
• 42:52
  I have the high. Ground and he Sparta kicks him
• 42:55
  down the stairs so as harvester Crowley is a is charging WBA
• 43:02
  Sparta kicks him in the chest and sends him flying down the
• 43:05
  stairs and they call the police and Crowley gets arrested.
• 43:09
  There's all kinds of hullabaloo, but Needless to say that was the
• 43:12
  end of Crowley and these guys. That's the story of him in there
• 43:16
  and that was his first foray into like being involved in some
• 43:19
  kind of Church of the occult, which he didn't like it.
• 43:23
  He didn't like when there was rules imposed upon him.
• 43:26
  As we've already said his his whole philosophy in life is his
• 43:31
  will is his way. His whole thing is like if he
• 43:35
  has to be in charge of his own destiny and if he's involved in
• 43:41
  kind of regimented church like structure which he fucking
• 43:44
  hated, even if it was an occult church, he was still too
• 43:48
  restricted and it wasn't going to end well because he if he's
• 43:52
  not taken over he doesn't want any part of it.
• 43:56
  It's really similar to like the the Hellfire Club when you had
• 43:58
  like James Joyce and and stuff like that were were part of the
• 44:01
  Hellfire Club and everything and that was very.
• 44:03
  Much he loved the fact, didn't he?
• 44:06
  Oh, he did. And it was like very much like a
• 44:08
  hierarchy as well. Not to keep taking it back to
• 44:11
  like spirituality and stuff like that.
• 44:12
  But I mean, a huge thing that they tell you to like keep
• 44:16
  believing and doing whatever is I always get what I want.
• 44:19
  I always get what I want, which that can always happen because
• 44:23
  other people have free will. You can't bend.
• 44:26
  But I was like, it was really funny.
• 44:28
  I was saying this to Michaela. So I went for a job interview on
• 44:31
  Tuesday and I didn't get it. And then on, when I found out I
• 44:34
  didn't get it. She was talking to me.
• 44:35
  She was like, they just can smell it off you, though.
• 44:38
  And I was like, what? It's like, you're just, you're
• 44:40
  not a bootlicker. And I was already like going
• 44:42
  through the Crowley stuff and I was like, no, it's like, I'm not
• 44:47
  getting into the same boat as this man.
• 44:49
  But yeah, it is. It's just kind of things like
• 44:51
  that. Just a little bit of the black.
• 44:52
  Sheep takes everything to the extreme.
• 44:54
  Kind of thing to the extreme and it was like again, not accepted
• 44:59
  into something that he feels like he should have been like,
• 45:01
  yeah, I should be top dog in there.
• 45:03
  Those people should be fucking licking my balls.
• 45:05
  Like do you know what I mean? I can't even imagine like the
• 45:09
  rage that he felt after that. Can kick down the stairs by
• 45:13
  fucking William Butler Yates. By fucking soy boy beta cook WB
• 45:18
  eights as well. Imagine getting beaten up by WB
• 45:20
  eights. I would be mortified.
• 45:24
  Like I'd rather say that I slipped while charging than he
• 45:28
  kicked me. Not that little fucking twink
• 45:31
  like no thank you. We we don't know what the true
• 45:34
  story is here on this one that the the story of them having
• 45:37
  this wizardly fight is kind of farcical.
• 45:41
  But I. Think they're both losers like
• 45:44
  it was probably like a slap fight like.
• 45:48
  Just more more stories of them of Crowley kind of getting
• 45:53
  frustrated that he's not in charge in situations is so where
• 45:57
  as we said, kind about the start that like his tree loaves in in
• 46:02
  life were poetry mountain clayman and the occult.
• 46:05
  So when it comes to mountain claiming, he was actually, he
• 46:09
  was obsessed with getting to these extreme places as well.
• 46:14
  So and. Like one of the best in the
• 46:16
  world at the time as well. He was like really skilled at
• 46:19
  it. Like, yeah, he was, he was good
• 46:20
  as whether he was one of the best, I don't know, but he was,
• 46:23
  he was one of the people that was willing to go fucking
• 46:26
  anywhere. He would do it, a lot of it
• 46:28
  without safety gear. As well like a.
• 46:30
  Lot of it without being hooked in or anything.
• 46:33
  That's what would have caused a lot of contention with people as
• 46:35
  well. So like, yeah, he wanted to
• 46:37
  claim the third highest peak in the world.
• 46:40
  Not going to try and remember what it was, but it's in the
• 46:42
  Himalayas. And he was like, I'm I'm going
• 46:45
  to I'm going to claim this fucking this peak and never got
• 46:49
  to never got to the top. But one of the stories while he
• 46:53
  was claiming it was a that he was adamant there was an
• 46:57
  avalanche and he was adamant to keep on going.
• 46:59
  And the people that was Whitten, eh, They said that the the snow
• 47:03
  was too fresh. You're not going to be able to
• 47:05
  get up there. The avalanche is after like
• 47:07
  blocking our way And the whole Crowley was take as a bastard
• 47:11
  stormed off. He was in his camp, eh?
• 47:13
  Some of the guys were outside and Crowley was further up along
• 47:17
  the way, and he heard of another avalanche coming, but out of
• 47:23
  pure spite and stubbornness stayed where he was and didn't
• 47:27
  shout and relay it to anybody else that there was danger
• 47:30
  outside. Now here again, I could be
• 47:33
  fuzzing this one up, or I could be, eh, just absolutely eh,
• 47:37
  listening to hearsay. But people got badly injured in
• 47:41
  this avalanche because Crowley wouldn't go out and help them.
• 47:45
  He could hear them outside screaming for help, whatever.
• 47:48
  And he was just fucked them. They wouldn't help me when I
• 47:50
  wanted to go. He ended up having to turn back
• 47:53
  from his expeditions because even like his guides that were
• 47:56
  going that bringing him up the hill or whatever, they have
• 47:58
  refused to work with him like and he had no one to bring up
• 48:00
  his packs or anything like that. So he had to kind of turn around
• 48:03
  and go back. It just showed his spite that,
• 48:05
  like, he would rather have people get hurt.
• 48:08
  Now, he didn't. Obviously you wouldn't call it
• 48:10
  like homicide, but like, if somebody died, it was that true
• 48:15
  neglect because he, like, purposely failed to warn anybody
• 48:19
  that there was danger there. So yeah, he was kind of just a
• 48:21
  spiteful cunt as well. I hate that I'm like slowly
• 48:25
  finding more and more of of Crowley and myself because it's
• 48:30
  just. I would watch tomorrow die.
• 48:33
  I know I've done that. You know when you have a fight
• 48:35
  with your boyfriend, you're one of those girls on the night out.
• 48:37
  Girls. Girls will back me up here and
• 48:39
  you're just like, no, fuck you. I'm walking home and you're like
• 48:43
  just walk through the fucking absolute worst streets through
• 48:47
  town and your boyfriend's training along behind you and
• 48:49
  you're like, no, like you're not like that.
• 48:52
  Key and peels sketch and he's like Megan.
• 48:55
  He's like. No.
• 48:57
  Shut up. Why don't you go ask Sarah?
• 49:01
  No. Yeah.
• 49:03
  And it's like, well, you're the one following me, and if you get
• 49:06
  raped, it's your own fault. Yeah, it's what I call toxic
• 49:10
  femininity. It's a where, Oh yeah, where,
• 49:14
  where people are like men are the worst.
• 49:16
  Yeah, OK, scoring. Don't fucking follow me.
• 49:21
  And then if he doesn't follow you, you're like, what a prick.
• 49:23
  He didn't even fucking follow me.
• 49:24
  I could have been murdered. Like I'm so glad.
• 49:28
  I'm so happy I'm single. What what a roller holter this
• 49:35
  last 30 seconds has been. No, you know what I mean?
• 49:39
  Like that's that's what he sounds like.
• 49:41
  Just like, oh, didn't want me to go.
• 49:43
  Oh, the I'm just going to block my way.
• 49:44
  It's going to block your way. Just Richie and like, yeah.
• 49:51
  And it's just like it's so funny to me that he he just seems like
• 49:55
  know when people are like, oh, Trump was born to be a teenage
• 49:57
  girl. That's what he just sounds like
• 49:59
  a fucking teenage girl. Like just stroppy and edgy and
• 50:04
  like. Oh yeah, he's he's emo before
• 50:06
  emo like. But also, weirdly, captain of
• 50:08
  the cheerleading squad. You know what I mean?
• 50:10
  Yeah. Doesn't.
• 50:11
  Doesn't like to hear. No, I hate that.
• 50:13
  I relate to that. I'm just like, well, I mean.
• 50:16
  He so we could probably get into his relationship with women,
• 50:20
  seeing as we're after talking about toxic femininity and we
• 50:23
  can talk about his absolute toxic masculinity, you know?
• 50:27
  Hatred for women, we could say. Basically, yeah.
• 50:30
  I'm not so sure if there was a hate because I do believe like
• 50:34
  he did fall for women like and he did, he did love certain
• 50:40
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  We basically have down that he has a dabbled in joining
• 53:14
  different occult places, but he likes to impose his will on this
• 53:18
  so he cannot be kind of restricted himself.
• 53:21
  So this is where he kind of heads off on his travels.
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  He's done that climbing boy. He kind of heads to places and
• 53:27
  learns a lot about these other religions other than than
• 53:30
  Christianity. So like he heads off and.
• 53:33
  Kind of theologist. Yeah.
• 53:35
  Like he, he, he heads off and kind of like learns a little bit
• 53:39
  about Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, like all this kind of
• 53:43
  other stuff. Like he, he comes back from
• 53:45
  India and Nepal and Pakistan. Like he brought back yoga
• 53:48
  practices that like not a lot of people would have been into in
• 53:51
  the West at all. But like he was kind of into
• 53:53
  this kind of stuff. And obviously I'd imagine he
• 53:56
  loved a little bit of the Kamasutra, but like.
• 53:58
  That's what I was going to say. I was like, bitch, that's just
• 54:00
  the Kamasutra. He was doing it on his own as
• 54:03
  well and and he visited Japan. He was kind of all over the
• 54:08
  place, like he, he wanted to kind of see as much of the
• 54:11
  world, to kind of grow his own philosophies.
• 54:16
  And while he was doing this, he would have had, I forget the
• 54:19
  name of his first wife, but he referred to all the kind of
• 54:23
  loves of his life as the Scarlet woman.
• 54:25
  So like when she became the love of his life, they'd get married
• 54:29
  and she becomes a scarlet woman and he kind of would kind of his
• 54:34
  sexual practices of the magic would be kind of focused in on
• 54:39
  her. He was still off right and
• 54:40
  everything he could and kind of encouraging her as well.
• 54:43
  And still up to all his kind of bisexual stuff.
• 54:46
  He was riddled with syphilis. He he ended up getting all kinds
• 54:50
  of venereal diseases, which you would if you're, if you're up to
• 54:52
  like that kind of no good. Fucking moldy ham sandwich.
• 54:57
  But he, he did have these partners in life where he would
• 55:02
  get married, like he got married to this woman and he had, uh,
• 55:05
  his first daughter, which has a whole stream of like Elon Musk
• 55:08
  esque names, but the last name is Lilith and he's stuck on
• 55:12
  Lilith love. Lilith.
• 55:14
  I'm terrified of her. Lilith also, uh, demonesses name
• 55:17
  somewhere in the in in one of these religions.
• 55:21
  Yeah, she's named as a as a demoness, but it's again, the
• 55:24
  patriarchy. She was like the first woman who
• 55:28
  took the blame for Adam, who actually took the bite.
• 55:30
  And that's why Adam has an Adam's apple, that whole story.
• 55:33
  Oh, OK. She, she is very much
• 55:35
  misunderstood in a way. She does hate men, which you
• 55:38
  can't blame her if she got kicked out of the Garden of Eden
• 55:40
  for it. So she is very good for she
• 55:42
  works really well with women, with men.
• 55:46
  She tends to. So there is this.
• 55:50
  Which so is Lilith this the snake?
• 55:52
  She has the snake in the apple. OK, so the snake is the.
• 55:56
  Snake is. It's yeah, that's it's not her.
• 56:00
  Temptation. It's not her.
• 56:02
  And then she constantly like you.
• 56:03
  If you see like you'll see statues of her and stuff and
• 56:06
  she's depicted with the snake. Yeah, I've seen her.
• 56:08
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen. Yeah, so it's it's not the so
• 56:11
  the snake is what took over the man.
• 56:14
  She got the blame for it. And that's how generations and
• 56:17
  things started of hating women. And we've been real wicked and.
• 56:20
  Sometimes it's interpreted that the snake is Lucifer, but is
• 56:23
  that is that the right? Yes.
• 56:26
  So she would be referred to as the bride of Lucifer, right?
• 56:31
  The wife of Lucifer. But she isn't really anyone's.
• 56:34
  She is just trying to exist. No one has like hold over her
• 56:38
  because God made it very, very clear he didn't want anything to
• 56:41
  do with her. And then you had Satan, who who
• 56:44
  was trying to tempt her, didn't work, got Adam and she just got
• 56:48
  fucked out. So now he's like, oh, you're
• 56:49
  mine now. And she's like, well, no, I'm
• 56:50
  not fucking anyone's. So that's kind of where she
• 56:54
  became so mad and hating basically.
• 56:57
  And I love, I'm very, very scared of her, but I love her.
• 57:01
  I love all the shit that she has going on.
• 57:03
  It does make a lot of sense that he would have like.
• 57:06
  No. That you've said, Because I did
• 57:07
  think that he hated women a little bit.
• 57:09
  But yeah, I feel like named one of his own daughters after after
• 57:12
  Lilith. That's like, pretty cool.
• 57:14
  Yeah, I don't think like that he hated women.
• 57:17
  I think it's just there's some residual resentment for his
• 57:20
  mother always going to be evolved there, which was always
• 57:23
  going to be afraid kind of relationship when she kind of
• 57:27
  abandoned, kicked him out. Makes sense, yeah.
• 57:30
  She more or less said that he was the devil walking.
• 57:32
  So like, again, he's not going to have a great relationship
• 57:35
  with women. But I think he actually became
• 57:37
  slightly obsessive with the women that he did fall in love
• 57:41
  with. He wrote a lot of poetry.
• 57:44
  He'd include them in a lot of his writings as books and stuff
• 57:47
  like that. So a lot of love letters going
• 57:48
  on. Her name escapes me.
• 57:50
  We can just call her the Scarlet Woman because they all become
• 57:54
  the Scarlet Woman. Yeah.
• 57:56
  So Lilith was his first child. This is all after the the Golden
• 58:01
  Dawn. So he is kind of now on a little
• 58:04
  bit of a world tour. And he has decided that he wants
• 58:08
  to go all over the place. He he wanted to head back and
• 58:11
  try and tackle this third highest peak again.
• 58:13
  This time he convinced his Scarlet woman to bring the
• 58:18
  daughter and very harsh trip on kind of both of them.
• 58:22
  He was kind of still all over the place, eh, preaching to
• 58:26
  people about this, fucking his philosophies on life and he was
• 58:30
  like learning more and bringing it back and kind of he didn't
• 58:32
  have as much time for them. He'd meet up with them like
• 58:35
  periodically He like he went to Russia and all these kind of
• 58:37
  places in the meantime. And she ended up getting kind of
• 58:43
  sick while she was away with him.
• 58:45
  So she was like, I'm going back to England.
• 58:48
  I'm bringing our daughter back. He was like, OK, I'll meet you
• 58:50
  back there. But while this was happening,
• 58:52
  the daughter actually died. And I think that hit him pretty
• 58:56
  hard because, yeah, he kind of there was a consequence to
• 59:02
  actions, if you get me, which like, yeah, normally he wasn't
• 59:06
  used to having to deal with consequences because he done
• 59:07
  whatever the fuck he wanted. But now you've got this kind of
• 59:10
  a dependent and true what basically kind of what it sounds
• 59:16
  like was neglect. The child died.
• 59:19
  So he realized like consequences to his actions or miss actions
• 59:23
  or non actions resulted in this. And this this is where his wife
• 59:28
  then headed for the drink and she went pretty hard on on the
• 59:32
  drink at this stage. And they would eventually get a
• 59:36
  divorce and she was committed to a mental institution.
• 59:40
  And he used to joke to people all I think that anybody,
• 59:42
  whoever gets close to him ends up in a mental institution.
• 59:45
  Not a fantastic thing to brag about, like.
• 59:47
  No, absolutely not. And like this, this is again, is
• 59:49
  like a it's, it's so strange. It's a strange because I, I
• 59:52
  didn't know any of this, but if you're linking this to Lilith,
• 59:56
  she was named after Lilith. Basically men who choose to work
• 1:00:01
  with her. She'll give men what they want
• 1:00:03
  when they ask her for it, but they will slowly rush them.
• 1:00:09
  From the inside out, there is this male which that he's he
• 1:00:14
  bounces the room and takes off. He just basically just views his
• 1:00:17
  hatred at things. He talks about how Lilith is
• 1:00:21
  actually his wife and not a deity that he worships.
• 1:00:24
  He's like, no, we're on the same kind of thing.
• 1:00:27
  But it's so funny because people have like pointed out he's just
• 1:00:30
  getting uglier and more haggard by the day.
• 1:00:35
  He's in and out of hospital. It's all of this, this horrible
• 1:00:38
  thing. So if you take, say, a child,
• 1:00:41
  which is supposed to be the most precious thing in the world, and
• 1:00:44
  she loves children and like other women, obviously.
• 1:00:47
  So this is a little girl and he names her Lilith after this
• 1:00:50
  goddess. And he basically neglects,
• 1:00:53
  mistreats, whatever. It's a, it's a reflection of how
• 1:00:58
  the, the deity he's treating the, the yeah, like little
• 1:01:02
  herself. Like, yeah.
• 1:01:04
  Yeah, exactly. And that would make sense
• 1:01:06
  because didn't he start to just spiral out of?
• 1:01:09
  Control, Yeah, he kind of, he's spiral there and he, I think
• 1:01:12
  that's when he kind of like maybe started hitting some
• 1:01:15
  harder drugs. Mescaline became kind of one of
• 1:01:17
  his big things. They are down the road.
• 1:01:19
  Mescaline actually plays a big part.
• 1:01:21
  After we start, after we talk about his life and we talk about
• 1:01:24
  after his life, Mescaline actually comes into things a
• 1:01:26
  little bit more. What is mescaline?
• 1:01:28
  Can I ask because I haven't heard about it since?
• 1:01:30
  That, that is a good question because it, I'm not going to say
• 1:01:33
  it's LSD, but it's kind of a precursor, I believe to LSD.
• 1:01:37
  So like, it is, it's a psychotropic hallucinogenic.
• 1:01:39
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:41
  Yeah, so it's psychotropic and that's where we'll find out
• 1:01:45
  later on where he has ties in with, with stuff that like
• 1:01:48
  psychotropics come kind of that it'll all come into play.
• 1:01:51
  I want to get in a little bit into more about like kind of
• 1:01:55
  conspiracies about him now, right.
• 1:01:57
  So he's travelled all over the world and people are like, OK,
• 1:02:00
  so like stuff we know he's done, like he's off, he's he's kind of
• 1:02:05
  building these cults and he has followers and and stuff like
• 1:02:08
  that. People who believe in him,
• 1:02:09
  people who will fund him, people will give him some money and
• 1:02:12
  stuff like that. And he has his own money as
• 1:02:14
  well. But like he's blowing a lot of
• 1:02:15
  that money, especially like, you know, just purely on drugs and
• 1:02:19
  travel. And but he finds himself, and
• 1:02:23
  here's where I have a connection to Charles Crowley, credit on
• 1:02:27
  our credit. And he finds himself heading to
• 1:02:31
  the USA, heading to America. And what ship do you think he
• 1:02:35
  went to America on? I.
• 1:02:37
  Don't. Know the motherfucking Lusitania
• 1:02:40
  so oh. Hell yeah, that was supposed to
• 1:02:42
  be the Titanic. But.
• 1:02:43
  Yeah, he wouldn't have met it. Allegedly.
• 1:02:47
  So, so Crowley heads to to America on the Lusitania.
• 1:02:52
  He kind of sets up shop on an island in the Hudson River and
• 1:03:00
  he's doing magic rituals on this island in the Hudson River.
• 1:03:05
  And, and he is painting on the like the, the Cliff walls of
• 1:03:10
  the, the, the river in like all these kind of a pentagrams and
• 1:03:14
  different kind of hieroglyphs and stuff like that all in red
• 1:03:18
  paint for people to see. So people are kind of seeing
• 1:03:19
  that he's a little bit, you know, he's out there, he's a
• 1:03:22
  little bit naughty and. This would have been like the
• 1:03:24
  early like the 1920s. Eh, no, early teens like this is
• 1:03:27
  before kind of before the I think 1914 probably in and
• 1:03:32
  around. So before the the breakout of
• 1:03:35
  the First World War and importantly right there before
• 1:03:39
  the Irish rising cup. So now let's keep in mind
• 1:03:43
  Crowley, racist man, a classist man, you know, as from what I
• 1:03:49
  can tell, he was eh anti-Semitic.
• 1:03:52
  He didn't like the Irish. If he could, he would have
• 1:03:55
  people of lower classes be his slaves.
• 1:03:56
  That's that's the way it would be just.
• 1:03:58
  To hate a hateful. Man, hateful fucker.
• 1:04:00
  Yeah, yeah, but he was over in America under the guise that he
• 1:04:05
  was anti monarchy, anti British. So he's an Englishman now and
• 1:04:11
  he's over there in the guys that he is anti British.
• 1:04:14
  He is fighting for the Fenian 'cause right in in Britain.
• 1:04:19
  Now this apparently this man has never set foot in Ireland at
• 1:04:22
  this stage. He's been all over he's been
• 1:04:24
  around the world and I I he's never been in Ireland has had
• 1:04:28
  never had an interest in that like like the only Irishman that
• 1:04:31
  he probably would have eh talked.
• 1:04:33
  It was WB yet and he got kicked down a flight stairs by him.
• 1:04:36
  He, he, he had no, he had no. Cause.
• 1:04:40
  To fight for Irish freedom. But he was over there.
• 1:04:43
  I. Get that now though, Yes, stupid
• 1:04:45
  Irish. Fucking play a munch and Paddy,
• 1:04:49
  he's kicking me down the stairs and.
• 1:04:52
  But yeah. But this he's over there now and
• 1:04:55
  he's fighting for the Fenian cause which is weird but also he
• 1:05:00
  is pro German. Supposed to never end.
• 1:05:03
  And it's never ends with this man.
• 1:05:05
  Yeah. But here's here's where it gets
• 1:05:08
  conspiratorial. So he's he's been to places like
• 1:05:12
  Russia. He's been to places like Japan.
• 1:05:14
  He's been, he's been to all these places that would end up
• 1:05:18
  being enemies of Britain. Yeah.
• 1:05:21
  And he's been in the company of like very kind of high up people
• 1:05:25
  in all these places. Now he's over in New York.
• 1:05:31
  He is spouting anti British rhetoric, pro Finian.
• 1:05:35
  His rhetoric is all pro Irish Irish revolution.
• 1:05:39
  Which, yeah, which obviously, like America being liberated
• 1:05:42
  from the English, that was the whole founding of of the country
• 1:05:45
  in. The South, you've got a lot of
• 1:05:46
  Irish people over there. But as with all of this going
• 1:05:50
  on, he starts writing for a publication called The
• 1:05:56
  Fatherland, which is obviously a pro German publication where he
• 1:06:00
  talks about how Britain is evil, all this kind of stuff.
• 1:06:04
  And he gets close to the guy who is writing this eh publication
• 1:06:10
  who's also into the occult. Again, name escapes me.
• 1:06:13
  But the story goes here's where it gets eh where the conspiracy
• 1:06:16
  comes in. The story goes that Crowley was
• 1:06:21
  British intelligence assets. Knew I hated.
• 1:06:23
  Him who was sent to all of these places by the British, because
• 1:06:28
  if you think about it, he always ends up back in fucking England
• 1:06:34
  and he's never taken up. Like the tabloids run them into
• 1:06:39
  the ground, but he's never accosted by like the the cops
• 1:06:43
  don't come and take him when he comes back to England for
• 1:06:46
  basically what is treason? Like, he's over there denouncing
• 1:06:50
  eh would have been Victoria at the time.
• 1:06:52
  So he's over there denouncing Queen Victoria when he gets back
• 1:06:55
  to England. There's not an of it.
• 1:06:57
  So the conspiracy here is that he actually was over there
• 1:07:03
  trying to, eh, get information from the Germans because it was
• 1:07:08
  the tensions were built and like the First World War didn't like,
• 1:07:11
  they talk about this fucking mill bomb with Franz Ferdinand.
• 1:07:14
  But there was tensions rising for a long time with the
• 1:07:16
  Germans. And it didn't just spark off at
• 1:07:18
  that bomb. There was a like the war was
• 1:07:20
  coming before the war was coming and people were able to see it.
• 1:07:23
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:07:24
  So he was now over there. This is all kind of
• 1:07:27
  questionable. There was no MI 5 or MI 6 at the
• 1:07:30
  time. There was no CIA.
• 1:07:31
  There was no FBI, it was British.
• 1:07:34
  It was like the the British intelligence something or I
• 1:07:38
  can't remember what it was. What was BI so British?
• 1:07:40
  Intelligence, Are you mad? I've never seen any, but umm, so
• 1:07:48
  that's kind of the story. So again, it's another layer on
• 1:07:50
  this kind of software. Like this guy was like a fucking
• 1:07:54
  sex, blood magic fucking dude, but also he was like a British
• 1:07:58
  intelligence asset who was over there.
• 1:08:01
  Now this story also goes. Basically James Bond, he's.
• 1:08:05
  James. Bond if you were into the
• 1:08:06
  occult. He was, yeah.
• 1:08:08
  He's Doctor Strange slash James Bond.
• 1:08:10
  He's Doctor Strange Bond. But we both took a sip at the
• 1:08:14
  same time there and left him dead air.
• 1:08:19
  You're welcome. A little bit of silence.
• 1:08:21
  A little bit of silence. So anyways, the other story goes
• 1:08:25
  now this where you can believe this or not, this is kind of
• 1:08:28
  fantastical, but did he get into the ears of the German and
• 1:08:32
  convince them that the Lusitania was carrying munitions back from
• 1:08:38
  America? So this ship that he went to
• 1:08:40
  America on when it was on its way back and the, the, the thing
• 1:08:46
  that drew the Americans into the First World War.
• 1:08:50
  So like the war was going on over in in Europe, but the
• 1:08:54
  Americans won the world yet. And in fact, the Americans were
• 1:08:56
  kind of deciding whose side will we pick on this war?
• 1:08:59
  If we have to pick a site, it was still kind of open the air.
• 1:09:02
  The thing that true the Americans into the war was the
• 1:09:04
  fucking sinking of the Lusitania, which eh, if anyone
• 1:09:08
  was listening, as on a previous episode, my great grandfather
• 1:09:11
  was on. So here's the that's the tie in,
• 1:09:13
  eh? He was a survivor.
• 1:09:15
  Sanctus off the coast to Cork, did you say?
• 1:09:18
  Yeah, just off court. Yeah, a couple of miles out from
• 1:09:20
  Carl, I believe, and a German you bought sunk to Lusitania and
• 1:09:26
  that was what tipped it all over the edge for the Americans to be
• 1:09:29
  like, OK, we're coming in here now.
• 1:09:31
  They've like blown off an American ship.
• 1:09:34
  Well, it's an Irish ship, but like, it was a yeah.
• 1:09:39
  It travelled to America, yeah. It was full of Americans
• 1:09:42
  anyways. British ship built in Ireland
• 1:09:46
  you could say. I mean the belt like the the
• 1:09:49
  Titanic was, was it built in Belfast and then went up and
• 1:09:53
  around? Yeah, they normally head to
• 1:09:55
  Southampton and go from Southampton onwards, but
• 1:09:57
  anyways. Also, my, my one of my friends,
• 1:10:00
  Elise, she's from Southampton and she said the pub at the
• 1:10:04
  start of the movie that Leonard DiCaprio is playing cards in
• 1:10:08
  that was there back. Like people were actually
• 1:10:11
  dropping in there for for sailing off of the Titanic.
• 1:10:13
  Yeah. And it's still there, which is
• 1:10:15
  mad given she's like the majority of this like of the
• 1:10:18
  city has been bombed by the Germans.
• 1:10:21
  And she said there's just so much like ruins that are still
• 1:10:23
  left and whatever. But she was like, there is like
• 1:10:26
  a lot of real like historical kind of buildings in that way.
• 1:10:28
  And there's like a a Titanic kind of monument, but like,
• 1:10:32
  again, loads of World War 2 stuff because they had the docks
• 1:10:35
  and. They had.
• 1:10:35
  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Factories and stuff that they
• 1:10:38
  targeted Southampton a lot. That's really cool.
• 1:10:41
  I'm really, really interested. I'll ask her more about that.
• 1:10:43
  But her granddad was actually on the Titanic.
• 1:10:45
  He worked in the bow. Obviously didn't make it out,
• 1:10:48
  but like, yeah, it's just, it's really cool, like the history
• 1:10:51
  that Southampton has. And we can probably do like a
• 1:10:53
  whole whole story on that, like, mad stuff.
• 1:10:56
  But anyway, yeah, carry on. Sorry.
• 1:10:58
  And but that's kind of it. Like it's it's one of those
• 1:11:02
  stories that like could Crowley have convinced?
• 1:11:05
  And again, if he is someone who, you know, pushes his will on
• 1:11:09
  people, has this hypnotic personality, could he have
• 1:11:13
  convinced the jerk because he was writing in this publication
• 1:11:16
  where he there's it was all pro German and anti British
• 1:11:19
  sentiment. And I think he like he was
• 1:11:22
  trying to get the Americans on site with the Germans and on
• 1:11:25
  site with the Irish, which is, you know, I was wanted to say he
• 1:11:29
  was trying to get like everybody versus Britain really.
• 1:11:31
  But. I love that though, and I any
• 1:11:34
  war the Irish show was like, ah, we're ground here, thanks.
• 1:11:36
  No, no, no, sure, we're all right.
• 1:11:38
  We'll see who's nearly been in Britain.
• 1:11:40
  Should I be? Grand sure you have this one now
• 1:11:42
  and then going home. We had our own problems because
• 1:11:45
  like. I'll be on a taxi now do.
• 1:11:46
  You think about it like 2 years later we had our own war of
• 1:11:50
  independence, so like it. Well we had our own uprising I
• 1:11:54
  should say. So that was it was kind of it
• 1:11:58
  was all in the air at the time. So he was over there fuel and
• 1:12:02
  kind of anti British rhetoric to guess on good terms of people.
• 1:12:06
  So he was obviously trying to infiltrate the Irish to get
• 1:12:09
  information there because the the, the biggest effort against
• 1:12:14
  Britain from Ireland at the time was in Boston and New York,
• 1:12:18
  because the people of Ireland, we were being sure.
• 1:12:21
  Of them are still Irish. Yeah, that's, it's one of those
• 1:12:25
  big things that I got a lot of the people that were involved in
• 1:12:28
  the war effort and involved in their funding the the Irish War
• 1:12:31
  of Independence was all in America.
• 1:12:34
  But yeah, that's just that was just another point on the the
• 1:12:36
  like a weird conspiracy that he was involved in that.
• 1:12:38
  And that's not even like anything got to do with like his
• 1:12:41
  weird sex magic or fucking, you know, his, his, his occult or
• 1:12:47
  his devil worshipping kind of things.
• 1:12:49
  It's just another one that was interesting there this this man
• 1:12:52
  who there's so much fucking information about.
• 1:12:54
  It's fucking crazy. I, you know, I was going to just
• 1:12:58
  liking him to. I don't know if you know much
• 1:13:00
  about Anton La Vey, So founder of the Church of Satan.
• 1:13:09
  Very much so. Basically Aleister Crowley, only
• 1:13:13
  an atheist. Ah, OK.
• 1:13:14
  So no sense of spirituality, nothing like that.
• 1:13:18
  It was basically just a weird sex cult.
• 1:13:23
  And he wrote obviously, the Satanic Bible.
• 1:13:26
  I've got a got a copy over there.
• 1:13:30
  It's a funny thing. Alright, so I follow this.
• 1:13:32
  I I, I would say that I follow it.
• 1:13:34
  I still do believe in spirituality.
• 1:13:36
  I do believe in a higher power, not necessarily like a God, more
• 1:13:40
  gods. It just there's something there,
• 1:13:44
  but it's the only I would, I'm going quote UN quote religion
• 1:13:48
  here that condemns rape and a lot of it was sexual freedom.
• 1:13:55
  A lot of it was like, again, constant orgies, gluttony,
• 1:13:59
  hedonism, all of that. And then the whole kind of
• 1:14:02
  premise of it is do what they will.
• 1:14:07
  As long as it's not imposing on somebody else's will that was
• 1:14:09
  there. Yes, but also if somebody
• 1:14:12
  imposes on you, you can fuck them up.
• 1:14:15
  Yeah, essentially. So murder is OK if they're
• 1:14:18
  getting in your way, but if they're not getting in your way,
• 1:14:21
  don't harm anybody. Just get your your time.
• 1:14:24
  And it's just, it's really, really weird to be like, like so
• 1:14:28
  many people follow this. Taylor Swift, who looks exactly
• 1:14:31
  like Xena Lavey is Anton Lavey's daughter.
• 1:14:33
  It's insane. If you look up the, the, the
• 1:14:36
  comparison between the two, they're fucking crazy similar.
• 1:14:40
  But yeah, all things like that. And it's like, I feel like he
• 1:14:42
  tried to kind of like put himself into things.
• 1:14:45
  So I have like a little bit of a list here of just how he's
• 1:14:49
  similar to Crowley. So Aleister Crowley called the
• 1:14:52
  wickedest man in the world. Anton Lavey was called the Black
• 1:14:55
  Pope. Crowley founded Thelema.
• 1:14:59
  Lavey founded the Church of Satan.
• 1:15:02
  Crowley wrote the Book of Law. Lavey wrote the Satanic Bible.
• 1:15:06
  Carley believed in spiritual magic, true will, and higher
• 1:15:09
  beings. Lavey rejected spirituality but
• 1:15:12
  focused on carnal, rational human behavior and it does
• 1:15:17
  actually so rationally comes into a huge part of it.
• 1:15:19
  He does say that in even in that Bible.
• 1:15:22
  Oh, if I'm hearing voices or from hearing whatever.
• 1:15:25
  And he was like, you need to go to a fucking doctor because
• 1:15:27
  that's not normal. Like just complete rejection of
• 1:15:29
  a higher being other than outside of yourself and outside
• 1:15:33
  of him. Clearly loved ritual sex and
• 1:15:36
  rebellion. Love a ritual, sex and
• 1:15:39
  rebellion, but symbolic, not spiritual.
• 1:15:43
  Kerry was obsessed with pushing taboos.
• 1:15:46
  Levae was the same but with more press releases.
• 1:15:49
  Like they were constantly, it was like the 60s.
• 1:15:51
  They're always in the news. Both believed that you are your
• 1:15:54
  own God in a way, but Levae kind of turned this into his whole
• 1:16:00
  thesis. Very, very, very self obsessed.
• 1:16:04
  Kind of religion. I would kind of describe it more
• 1:16:08
  as a cult, really. Well, religion cult.
• 1:16:13
  I mean, I know, but like. Not like different.
• 1:16:17
  And like, I mean, there's a lot of people like, who still like,
• 1:16:19
  like mistakeness, like whatever, fuck off.
• 1:16:22
  And they, and they say like this kind of thing.
• 1:16:24
  Like I would class myself as a Satanist with a spiritual side
• 1:16:29
  because I do follow a lot of the Levanian Satanism ideals.
• 1:16:34
  I'm quite a selfish person, but I'm also not going to fucking
• 1:16:38
  murder anyone if they piss me off.
• 1:16:40
  Do you know what I mean? Like there is logic in in these
• 1:16:43
  kind of things. And then again, credibly
• 1:16:45
  publicly reviled, mythologized. Whereas Levay publicly reviled
• 1:16:52
  and mythologized as well. So they had like a lot of
• 1:16:55
  similarities. Basically Crowley was Mystic
• 1:16:58
  hedonist who believed in real magic and communication with
• 1:17:01
  spiritual forces, and Lavey materialistic hedonist who
• 1:17:05
  thought that spirituality was bullshit.
• 1:17:07
  Rituals were symbolic psychodrama and not literal
• 1:17:12
  spell work. Lavey was born in 1930.
• 1:17:16
  Crowley died in 1947. So it would make a lot of sense
• 1:17:20
  that he would have grown up kind of learning about him and being
• 1:17:24
  that edgy teen and you know what I mean?
• 1:17:26
  I mean like he was a fucking organist at a carnival like
• 1:17:31
  before he founded a religion. Like people are actually calling
• 1:17:34
  it a religion and saying like your religion was founded by a
• 1:17:36
  literal Carney, but OK. But yeah, no, I just, I just
• 1:17:43
  find it like really, really cool because it's like you can even
• 1:17:45
  see in the way that Levae dresses, holds himself, carries
• 1:17:49
  himself, is very like Crowley. And again, he I don't think he
• 1:17:53
  hit the same, the same charisma and the same hole in the same
• 1:17:56
  power that Crowley had because Crowley genuinely did believe in
• 1:18:00
  what he was talking about. Whereas you've got Levae who
• 1:18:04
  just believes in himself. Yeah.
• 1:18:06
  You know, and I just think that's really, really
• 1:18:07
  interesting that like they kind of came about.
• 1:18:10
  There was a bit of an overlap. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:12
  But I you know, like, well, you could probably say like
• 1:18:14
  Crowley's like pretentious or or whatever the fuck.
• 1:18:17
  But like this is definitely like he took a lot of his religion
• 1:18:22
  just from Carly, which I don't think I don't think he got for
• 1:18:26
  fire with because I think everybody knows the name
• 1:18:28
  Aleister Crowley, where you know Church of Satan, but you don't
• 1:18:32
  necessarily know Anton La Vey. Yeah, the the the thing that
• 1:18:36
  really ring a bell with me there, but like when you start
• 1:18:38
  talking more about what I'd like to church, obviously, eh rang
• 1:18:41
  true with me, but like I I the name didn't like he didn't.
• 1:18:44
  He obviously hasn't hit like popular culture like like
• 1:18:47
  Crowley has. Yeah, let's just just to umm,
• 1:18:51
  not to call off. I, I, I'd love to get in because
• 1:18:53
  I, I feel like we haven't even scratched the surface of like
• 1:18:56
  getting into the say in the side of his world, which kind of
• 1:18:59
  didn't, really didn't really hit until a true, all of this.
• 1:19:03
  When he was, uh, part of this, this, these occult, uh, kind of
• 1:19:06
  Masonic places. He still referred to himself as
• 1:19:09
  the beast and he, uh, spoke about like his higher power
• 1:19:13
  being Lucifer and stuff like that.
• 1:19:15
  But it, it wasn't until Egypt when kind of he really decided
• 1:19:21
  that he was going to make his own religion.
• 1:19:22
  What was the, what was that religion called again?
• 1:19:25
  The the. Lima.
• 1:19:28
  And he founded it when he was in Cairo, in Egypt, Yeah.
• 1:19:31
  There was there was a woman who was back in I believe Scotland
• 1:19:36
  where he was and again her name's going to escape me.
• 1:19:40
  But her story is 2 dudes were in love with her and fighting for
• 1:19:43
  her. She didn't love either of those
• 1:19:45
  dudes. Been there.
• 1:19:46
  She was in a relationship with a married man turd man.
• 1:19:52
  OK, so. Kind of been there.
• 1:19:55
  She is a so this this, this is now like some kind of weird, I
• 1:20:03
  was going to say love rectangle, but actually turns into a love
• 1:20:05
  pentagram, which is kind of fitting, but.
• 1:20:08
  Love that for her. Go off diva.
• 1:20:10
  So 2 guys fighting over. She's off having an affair.
• 1:20:14
  Crowley is friends with her. Crowley says, OK, we need for
• 1:20:18
  you to like, get rid of this smoke.
• 1:20:21
  There's too much heat on you. You're getting in trouble.
• 1:20:22
  You're asking and found out that you're having an affair with
• 1:20:24
  this dude. These two men are going to kill
• 1:20:26
  each other because they are professing their love for you.
• 1:20:28
  You don't love either one of them.
• 1:20:30
  Did the husband dumper though? What's that?
• 1:20:33
  Did the husband dumper as well? And no, I think it was just that
• 1:20:36
  it was found out that there was adultery going on and yeah, got
• 1:20:40
  you. She, she liked the lifestyle of
• 1:20:43
  kind of being a bit of a Jezebel, you know, like she was,
• 1:20:48
  she was into a bit of hedonism herself.
• 1:20:50
  So Crowley suggested, Crowley suggested that they get married
• 1:20:55
  and they can both live their lives the way they want.
• 1:20:58
  She can get out there and get her flaps wet and he can go out
• 1:21:00
  there and get his fucking Dick into whatever he wants.
• 1:21:02
  So. Their original Indigo marriage.
• 1:21:06
  So in, you know, she was kind of a beard for well, not not that
• 1:21:13
  he needed one. He was like he was off right and
• 1:21:17
  whoever he wanted, whenever he wanted, but.
• 1:21:19
  Can I just put in right if any gay man is listening to this and
• 1:21:22
  you have an inheritance that you can get unless you marry a
• 1:21:25
  woman, I am. Happy I'll do it.
• 1:21:28
  Help. You out.
• 1:21:29
  I will. I will chop a cock.
• 1:21:30
  You're not a woman. I need the money.
• 1:21:35
  No one is coming on their face. You'll.
• 1:21:37
  Still have American Republicans calling you Sir, so don't worry
• 1:21:41
  about. It you're the one who doesn't
• 1:21:44
  acknowledge pronouns. Yeah, I don't like pronouns.
• 1:21:47
  It's. She they they can fuck off is
• 1:21:51
  what they can do I. Forget where I wasn't.
• 1:21:58
  Oh yeah. So here, here we go, These
• 1:22:00
  fucking tangents. Yeah, so he gets married to this
• 1:22:04
  woman. Forget what her name is, but
• 1:22:06
  let's just call her the Scarlet Woman because that's what she
• 1:22:08
  becomes. So they go travelling.
• 1:22:10
  The scarlet them scarlet person I would prefer.
• 1:22:14
  Sorry for using a noun. I thought they were like you
• 1:22:16
  were allowed and he is. So this he headed off on his
• 1:22:26
  travels with this scarlet woman and they were right not around.
• 1:22:30
  He was writing who he likes, a man woman, fucking beast.
• 1:22:34
  And she was writing who she wanted and it was working out
• 1:22:37
  perfectly for them both. He kind of fell for her.
• 1:22:40
  Oh. That's not good.
• 1:22:42
  Stuff happens, you know this this happens sometimes, but here
• 1:22:46
  we are. Oh, her name is Rose.
• 1:22:49
  Yeah, I guess he starts to try and convince her that he does
• 1:22:52
  love her and that, like, the marriage should be an actual
• 1:22:56
  marriage. Now, it doesn't mean that they
• 1:22:57
  can't still keep writing because like are, you know, doing their
• 1:23:02
  sex magic all over the place because that's what they're into
• 1:23:04
  anyways. But he does want her to believe
• 1:23:07
  him that he loves her. So he starts writing her poetry
• 1:23:09
  and he starts writing stories where she is like the main, eh,
• 1:23:14
  protagonist in these stories and they end up in Cairo.
• 1:23:19
  He is a fan of the Egyptian gods.
• 1:23:25
  She hasn't a clue what Egyptian gods are.
• 1:23:28
  She doesn't fucking know. She's never been into this kind
• 1:23:30
  of stuff. This isn't her bag.
• 1:23:32
  It is very much so his bag. But when they get to eh Cairo,
• 1:23:38
  she starts having visions, for want of a better world, and she
• 1:23:43
  starts kind of eh, being visited by one particular.
• 1:23:49
  It's not a demon. It's to her.
• 1:23:51
  She doesn't know what it is. It's just a figure that's kind
• 1:23:54
  of like an entity. Yeah, it's an entity, I think
• 1:23:57
  all in black. EH, come with her and starts
• 1:24:01
  telling her to tell him stuff and starts kind of getting a
• 1:24:06
  little bit in depth into his ear.
• 1:24:08
  She tells him this entity has told him to go and have a look
• 1:24:13
  at this particular piece that's either in a museum or in one of
• 1:24:18
  these temples in the, I guess in Cairo statue kind of thing.
• 1:24:22
  Yeah. So, uh, it's basically like
• 1:24:25
  you're, you're coming to have a look and these are all numbered.
• 1:24:29
  And, and she says there's this one tablet in the place you have
• 1:24:32
  to look at. And when he goes there, he sees
• 1:24:34
  it. It's the tablet of Osiris.
• 1:24:37
  Now he is amazed by this because this is who he would call.
• 1:24:44
  Basically he says that this is. 111 by the way, sorry I.
• 1:24:48
  Saw it, I had to point it. What's what?
• 1:24:49
  What's 1111? 11.
• 1:24:52
  What is? 11 O one.
• 1:24:54
  Oh, what time it is? Well, Danny, I'm going to blow
• 1:24:57
  your fucking mind here with numbers.
• 1:24:58
  OK, so we we get to this tablet that she's out of telling them
• 1:25:03
  or Cyrus is on it. What number is the tablet in
• 1:25:06
  this whole fucking business? 666 this.
• 1:25:12
  So when he comes in and sees sees this, he is like, Oh my
• 1:25:16
  God. She is now a conduit.
• 1:25:18
  This scarlet woman doesn't know anything about any of this
• 1:25:21
  Egyptian stuff. She's now a conduit for this
• 1:25:25
  fucking Osiris or. My home girl probably just
• 1:25:28
  overheard clearly talking about it at one point.
• 1:25:31
  Annie, with the stuff you believe in, please get on board
• 1:25:35
  with this now. I want to keep them, I want to
• 1:25:41
  keep in mind, I don't believe in any of this fucking mumbo Joe,
• 1:25:43
  but this is the story. So, uh, he looks into this,
• 1:25:49
  whatever this tablet is and it's Osiris and he's, he loves this
• 1:25:53
  because Osiris is kind of like the deity, the Egyptians that he
• 1:25:56
  would put as, uh, Lucifer as, as the devil, as Satan, this
• 1:26:01
  hedonistic God. So, uh, she convinces him that
• 1:26:04
  he should be in the King's chamber in the, the Great
• 1:26:08
  Pyramid of Giza. And again, like I said to you,
• 1:26:11
  there are some fucking we, we've already, we've already spoken
• 1:26:15
  about this. There is some kind of, with the
• 1:26:17
  way the resonance works in this King's chamber in there.
• 1:26:21
  It's really kind of a spiritual place for a lot of people
• 1:26:25
  because, you know, it's a real peaceful place there.
• 1:26:29
  There's a home that kind of like it carries a sound at a certain
• 1:26:33
  frequency that was really calming to people and it works
• 1:26:36
  out for like anyone that's into a little bit of spiritual
• 1:26:40
  spirituality, this kind of works out.
• 1:26:42
  So he goes in there and he goes and does a little bit of
• 1:26:46
  meditation and kind of what's the name thing where he kind of
• 1:26:49
  goes out of his fucking body through his mind, you know,
• 1:26:53
  transubstantial. No, I don't know what the fuck
• 1:26:55
  it is. But anyways, it's something,
• 1:26:57
  alright. I'm not wanted.
• 1:26:58
  I'm not scientist, but he. Can't believe you said trans You
• 1:27:02
  woke. Liberal.
• 1:27:06
  Yeah, apparently it's that the King's it's, it's the King's
• 1:27:10
  chamber, not the Queen's chamber and.
• 1:27:14
  It's the Them Chamber. Umm, Queen Queen.
• 1:27:19
  Is that a day them Queen? King, you're changing it from
• 1:27:21
  Cayman. Queen it's just, it's just the
• 1:27:23
  chamber. No, that's all it is.
• 1:27:25
  It's the Chamber of Underpants, Secrets and but we've.
• 1:27:31
  It's the Chamber of. I'm not actually sure yet.
• 1:27:36
  He this is the giddy hour. I told you it always happened
• 1:27:40
  this long into it, right. And he has so he goes off and
• 1:27:44
  does this meditation. He meets who he believes is
• 1:27:48
  Lucifer evolved like the beast times whatever his name is
• 1:27:52
  Alabama. No, no, no.
• 1:27:53
  You have it on us. AOS.
• 1:27:56
  Kiss my AOS and I said kiss my AOS fault.
• 1:28:01
  So she, she. Yeah.
• 1:28:04
  So tone, did you hear that? I said Kiss my AOS.
• 1:28:11
  He this is where he comes up with his, his new religion
• 1:28:15
  basically. And he, he comes up with this
• 1:28:18
  whole idea of, of his own version, like better than this
• 1:28:22
  day, the golden fucking snitch or whatever that fucking occult
• 1:28:27
  practice was. Dawn.
• 1:28:28
  Yeah, Dawn. Who she?
• 1:28:30
  Anything too rich? I've been smooth and juicy.
• 1:28:33
  Nice. No, wait, no, no, no, I have to.
• 1:28:36
  Can I jump in here for a second? I promise you it'll take two
• 1:28:38
  minutes. I just have to jump in here.
• 1:28:39
  So I obviously I'm in the UK, the land where God has just
• 1:28:43
  forgotten it. And I was saying the other
• 1:28:46
  night, so Michaela, she can be excluded from this because she's
• 1:28:50
  American. They don't have the majority of
• 1:28:52
  things we have here. But they didn't know that.
• 1:28:55
  They didn't know what Dawn Smooth and Juicy was.
• 1:28:58
  And I was like, it's milk and orange juice.
• 1:29:01
  How do you not? It is weird.
• 1:29:03
  Dawn, Danny. It was so good though.
• 1:29:05
  I was so nice and I was like, how has another messaged my
• 1:29:08
  brother and I said, do you remember dawn Smooth and juicy?
• 1:29:10
  And he was like, no, I was like, no, there's no way.
• 1:29:13
  I just fucking dreamt this. And I was like Googling and I
• 1:29:16
  found the bottle. I was like, Don.
• 1:29:18
  Smooth and juicy, they're. Showing it to everyone and
• 1:29:19
  they're just like, you're a fucking psycho.
• 1:29:21
  I was like Don smooth and juicy, orange and milk.
• 1:29:25
  It was calcium and vitamins. Yeah, and I remember the ads.
• 1:29:31
  I remember the ad well. Smooth, juicy and it.
• 1:29:37
  Was really slutty it was like yeah, but thank you for for
• 1:29:39
  validating me that it was real. I first seconds off that I had
• 1:29:43
  been reincarnated into like a false reality.
• 1:29:45
  So that's. OK, I had this with call a yacht
• 1:29:47
  once where I was. There was no koli.
• 1:29:50
  Off fucking look it up Danny, because I'm not going to go down
• 1:29:53
  this road again, right? You looked at all you looked at
• 1:29:56
  up and I'll go. I'll try and fucking stick a pin
• 1:29:59
  in the end of this fucking Crowley business.
• 1:30:03
  So Crowley, eh, another, another kind of amazing eh, story.
• 1:30:08
  So he, he comes up with his, eh, yeah, there it is right there.
• 1:30:13
  Eh, he, eh Crowley comes up with this, with this religion of his
• 1:30:17
  and he gets all into it. And now he's starting to get
• 1:30:20
  followers and he ends up in Italy in like, an old monastery
• 1:30:26
  and in this weird kind of town. But.
• 1:30:28
  And Spider, yeah. Yeah, I'm back.
• 1:30:32
  I'm back. So, so he ends up getting a
• 1:30:37
  bunch of followers in this kind of old monastery where he is now
• 1:30:40
  in, I want to say it's in Venice, but it's maybe it's in
• 1:30:43
  Florence. No, it's in Venice.
• 1:30:44
  No, it's in Florence. It's in Italy, right.
• 1:30:47
  So he's in, he's in Italy and. Doing that way.
• 1:30:50
  Things kind of get a little bit fucked up here.
• 1:30:52
  So he's got some kids now on the goal and the kids are here.
• 1:30:56
  He's he's stand to do these kind of a he's got people from all
• 1:31:01
  over. Like there's guys that have
• 1:31:02
  arrived. They come over and relays that
• 1:31:05
  there's a lot of gay stuff going on here.
• 1:31:06
  A lot of kind of when when the sex comes down to it, they like
• 1:31:11
  guys only last like a few months.
• 1:31:13
  Somebody's last a year or two in this monastery because they're
• 1:31:17
  like, I can't keep doing the gay stuff because that's not why
• 1:31:20
  what I'm here for. I did.
• 1:31:21
  I thought I was going to like ascend and realize like that I
• 1:31:25
  was going to be able to impose my will on people, but it turns
• 1:31:28
  out I'm just sucking Dick and taking pipe shagging.
• 1:31:32
  Dudes, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:31:33
  So he does like a lot of people kind of come and become
• 1:31:36
  disillusioned because everything that's going on here is kind of
• 1:31:38
  really fucked up. This is where it kind of gets
• 1:31:40
  really kind of down to a point where he, he believed that the
• 1:31:46
  kids that were there should not be shy, shy away from any like
• 1:31:52
  proclivities that the adults have.
• 1:31:53
  So like the kids, like our witness and all this kind of
• 1:31:56
  stuff, like this sex stuff. Now there's nothing to say that
• 1:31:59
  they get involved or that they use the kids or anything like
• 1:32:01
  that. And maybe there is, but I
• 1:32:03
  haven't seen any of this stuff. But it was like that when they
• 1:32:06
  were doing this sex rituals and this kind of a sex and blood
• 1:32:11
  magic with AK that day. The kids would see all this kind
• 1:32:15
  of stuff and it's kind of fucked up or they're in this place.
• 1:32:18
  But apparently there was like rats, cats, dogs, just animals
• 1:32:22
  just all over the place, just shaking all over the place.
• 1:32:25
  And because now they're living this hedonistic lifestyle, no
• 1:32:29
  one wanted to be the housekeeper.
• 1:32:30
  No one wanted to clean up this fucking place.
• 1:32:32
  So the place was just forking stinking, like, so now, like
• 1:32:36
  peeps that they're getting like diseases and stuff like that,
• 1:32:39
  like, there's just fucking dysentery kind of getting
• 1:32:41
  involved in this place. Yeah.
• 1:32:43
  But finally, the, the kind of the, the thing that kind of
• 1:32:45
  tipped this over the edge was did we're doing bloodletting
• 1:32:50
  ceremonies with cats and they basically were killing cats.
• 1:32:54
  They were draining the blood and people were drinking the blood
• 1:32:56
  of the cats. Now there was one guy that was
• 1:32:59
  there again, not going to remember the name.
• 1:33:01
  Fuck this. I don't take notes.
• 1:33:03
  Uh, he drank the blood of the cat, but also he would have
• 1:33:06
  drank from a contaminated water supply as well somewhere near
• 1:33:10
  the town. This is what the story is.
• 1:33:11
  So we don't know one from the other, but they're also walking
• 1:33:14
  around and fucking cat shake constantly.
• 1:33:17
  Yeah, like, yeah. The place is rough, but your man
• 1:33:20
  ends up getting fuck in there a like a really bad bowel
• 1:33:24
  infection and he dies. And there's kind of uproar
• 1:33:30
  around at the time where it's like the authorities come in and
• 1:33:34
  they're like, you guys need to pack up and get the fuck out of
• 1:33:36
  here. And Crowley was like, no, I'm,
• 1:33:40
  I'm the man. I'll do what I fucking want at
• 1:33:42
  this stage. Like his money is kind of
• 1:33:44
  running out. Like he's he's only kind of
• 1:33:46
  being propped up by these benefactors, these people that
• 1:33:48
  he's manipulating to be like someone have like sex magic
• 1:33:52
  here, I'll make you ascend to be a fucking God like me.
• 1:33:56
  So like he's kind of his will is only getting them so far these
• 1:34:01
  days because the will also comes with the money and the money is
• 1:34:04
  kind of running out. So he ends up getting kicked out
• 1:34:07
  of Italy by fucking Mussolini himself.
• 1:34:09
  Oh. Yeah, it.
• 1:34:10
  Did seem which is amazing like like the amazing like did this
• 1:34:15
  cast of characters involved in this man's life is fucking
• 1:34:17
  crazy. That was one of those instances
• 1:34:20
  where, OK, now he ends up back in Britain and at this stage
• 1:34:23
  he's getting asthma really bad. So he's getting, he's getting
• 1:34:26
  kicked out of fucking. This is eh, before the Second
• 1:34:30
  World War, he gets kicked out by Mussolini.
• 1:34:33
  He's back in Britain now. He always ends up back in the
• 1:34:35
  fucking cradle of old. Yeah, that's a weird thing.
• 1:34:39
  Basically he's been treasonous to before.
• 1:34:41
  So again, that kind of comes down to the fact was he being
• 1:34:44
  paid by the British state to be in Italy to kind of figure out
• 1:34:49
  what's going on with the fascist sport instead of doing that like
• 1:34:52
  he done when he was in New York, he.
• 1:34:54
  Was like, I'm going to go write a bunch of cats.
• 1:34:56
  Yeah, yeah, he went on fucking eating cats and fucking riding
• 1:34:59
  Minge and fucking riding lads and doing whatever he wanted to
• 1:35:02
  do, fucking, you know, using catch A for Lube and all that
• 1:35:05
  kind of shape. Whatever the fuck's going on.
• 1:35:07
  Yeah, it was, it was just disgusting.
• 1:35:09
  But he came back and at this stage now, he's been dealing
• 1:35:12
  with asthma for a while. And for his asthma he's been
• 1:35:15
  like using more and more like drugs.
• 1:35:18
  So he's not getting more into the masculine, but this now he's
• 1:35:21
  into heroin. It's after taking hold of him,
• 1:35:23
  so he is. This is what happens when you
• 1:35:26
  cross Lilith. It's all downhill from.
• 1:35:28
  There we became very. I smell my Doctor Pepper, but
• 1:35:34
  no. I do, you know, I've never ever
• 1:35:36
  tried Doctor. Pepper.
• 1:35:37
  Well fucking 4 liters of Doctor Pepper for 4:50 and Sentra
• 1:35:41
  couldn't say no food. Sugar could not leave it there.
• 1:35:44
  Yeah, well, I normally I'm on my, I'm on a sugar free buzz,
• 1:35:47
  but I couldn't leave it there doctor.
• 1:35:48
  Like what's the worst that could happen?
• 1:35:50
  Although I did spill it all over myself so that seems to be
• 1:35:52
  fucking a shit start. I'm more of like AI used to be a
• 1:35:55
  Diet Coke person and then I think but as I've gotten older I
• 1:35:59
  think my taste buds have worn down so I've turned to Pepsi
• 1:36:02
  Max. I like a bit it's.
• 1:36:03
  Not sugar free, but it's sweeter.
• 1:36:05
  It's really nice. Well, I forget about it.
• 1:36:07
  Drove it right up there. Where are we with this?
• 1:36:12
  We're all over the past where no, he's are never going to get.
• 1:36:14
  Back with pneumonia in England. Yeah.
• 1:36:17
  So he's starting like this is kind of this is kind of the
• 1:36:20
  beginning of the end from here. So he's back, he's he's got his
• 1:36:23
  asthma, he's he's a self medicate and he's after trying
• 1:36:27
  to drum up some some more money from benefactors.
• 1:36:31
  He has a benefactor in America who is an actual, honest to God
• 1:36:37
  rocket scientist. His name is Parsons the.
• 1:36:40
  Allen Parsons Project. The this is This is why I
• 1:36:42
  remembered, but he wasn't Allen Parsons.
• 1:36:44
  But the reason why I remembered is because the Allen's Parsons
• 1:36:47
  project in eh fucking Austin Powers was a moon thing and
• 1:36:54
  bought this guy actually did work for NASA.
• 1:36:56
  So this guy is an actual honest guy rocket scientist.
• 1:36:58
  But who's the Here's just another one to be like the cast
• 1:37:02
  of characters. The guy who is at the rocket
• 1:37:06
  scientist has a Jack Garsons. Yep, Jeff Parsons.
• 1:37:10
  And he has a helper Jack. Jack.
• 1:37:14
  Jack Parsons. OK, good, good old.
• 1:37:16
  Yeah. Yes, Jeff, let's go.
• 1:37:17
  Jeff to the border and what are you guys Jeffy Jack Jack Jackie
• 1:37:25
  Joey Joey Joey Shabba do Jackie he that.
• 1:37:29
  It's the worst name I've ever heard.
• 1:37:31
  Oh, Joey JoJo. Giddy.
• 1:37:38
  We're getting giddy. You're.
• 1:37:41
  Not touch Willy. Makes sense.
• 1:37:46
  So where am I with this one? Oh, yeah, this, this rocket
• 1:37:51
  saying this. He's Jack Parsons who's a
• 1:37:53
  benefactor of his. Who's kind of he wants to be
• 1:37:57
  great. He wants to be a great rocket
• 1:37:58
  scientist. He wants, he's starting to
• 1:38:00
  believe now that he could commune with, you know, Satan
• 1:38:05
  and the gods and all the worldly beings that will actually he
• 1:38:08
  believes it was kind of an alien kind of a thing.
• 1:38:10
  I believe. So like otherworldly being like
• 1:38:13
  in this dimension. But like he he thought that
• 1:38:16
  Crowley was on to something with this, with communion, with eh,
• 1:38:19
  with the gods, with eh, yeah, with ASSSSS, whatever his name
• 1:38:25
  is, and AOS AOS. So he was funding him a little
• 1:38:29
  bit, but he had a helper over there.
• 1:38:32
  So his number 2IN command, this Jack Parsons fella was no other
• 1:38:37
  than L Ron Hubbard. No.
• 1:38:39
  Yeah, I'm telling you big. Ron.
• 1:38:41
  Big Scientologist. Ron.
• 1:38:43
  Fucking you're a big boy, so you can imagine.
• 1:38:46
  If you're day, it's like I know that he has he has Scientology
• 1:38:50
  and Scientology is is huge, but imagine you're God being wrong,
• 1:38:54
  wrong, wrong. Just wrong I mean.
• 1:38:57
  Like it's kind of cool to be like, Oh yeah, you know,
• 1:39:00
  Alistair or like Jesus, like they're cool names.
• 1:39:03
  Ron. Hey, this is this is Ron.
• 1:39:05
  He's here to fix my TV. Also, he's the savior of the
• 1:39:08
  free world. He once made my own religion on
• 1:39:12
  Bibo. Yeah.
• 1:39:13
  And it worked out really well. Like, like I had, like, I
• 1:39:16
  remember being a lot of followers.
• 1:39:18
  I call that petalicism. Everything was just like a funny
• 1:39:21
  way. I didn't have a Pope.
• 1:39:22
  I had a peep. I was the peep.
• 1:39:24
  And then I was. I was.
• 1:39:25
  Peter Attica. I was peace as Christ and yeah,
• 1:39:30
  and people, people followed me and everybody like I had peace
• 1:39:34
  instead of priests. Everything was just AP version
• 1:39:36
  of like Catholicism was petalicism.
• 1:39:39
  And yeah, it got to a point where like people were like, you
• 1:39:41
  should, you could go on write this down as an actual church
• 1:39:45
  and like a Flying Spaghetti Monster kind of deal.
• 1:39:47
  You can and get. You can like.
• 1:39:49
  Register, yeah. Probably not going to do it now.
• 1:39:52
  I mean like. That reminds me just of like
• 1:39:54
  literally I just get people all the time constantly right asking
• 1:39:58
  me for dating advice. I'm like, I'm 35 years old.
• 1:40:03
  I have a failed engagement. I didn't even make it to the
• 1:40:06
  altar. I just watched your cat.
• 1:40:08
  I just watched your cat struggle off your lap.
• 1:40:10
  So if that's he didn't. Struggle.
• 1:40:13
  I put him down on his own. He likes to be held like a baby,
• 1:40:19
  he likes being hell like a baby, and he likes when I kiss him on
• 1:40:22
  the move. Right, So let me let me kind of
• 1:40:25
  try and wrap this up because again, there's probably I could
• 1:40:27
  probably do another two hours with stuff because I've I've
• 1:40:30
  really like. We will do a Crowley part.
• 1:40:33
  Too, I don't know because I, I've, I feel like we've kind of
• 1:40:36
  skimmed the surface of like a little bit of everything, but
• 1:40:38
  we, I don't know I, I think if we do a Part 2, we just be going
• 1:40:43
  over the same kind of stuff, but like in there, but.
• 1:40:45
  Didn't you say something to do with 9/11?
• 1:40:48
  Give me the 9/11, I'll give. You a little bit because.
• 1:40:50
  I'm actually really interested. Yeah, I'll give you a little bit
• 1:40:52
  of like, because we still didn't get into like we we kind of
• 1:40:55
  touched on stuff where after his death, like he he came into pop
• 1:40:59
  culture a little bit and stuff. But like these other kind of a
• 1:41:03
  conspiracies that come afterwards.
• 1:41:06
  Like for instance, like I was I was hinting at the the mescaline
• 1:41:10
  earlier on. So the mescaline is.
• 1:41:12
  Paul Mescaline. Yeah, Paul Mescaline we are.
• 1:41:14
  We know him well. Eh loves with any sausage.
• 1:41:17
  He would have, eh, kind of been dabbling in this, but he was
• 1:41:21
  talking about the power of the, the psychic and being able to
• 1:41:25
  kind of control minds or being able to, as we say, like he, he
• 1:41:29
  was forcing his will on people and he was using mescaline in a
• 1:41:33
  way to kind of do this. So he was kind of drugging
• 1:41:36
  people up at the same time and then kind of like trying to
• 1:41:38
  convince them to do things. Now he was.
• 1:41:40
  Just roofing people. Have a think about drugs mind
• 1:41:44
  control and using the drugs controlling minds.
• 1:41:50
  MK Ultra, big fucking deal. Absolutely.
• 1:41:53
  So the link between Crowley and MK Ultra comes into did Crowley
• 1:41:58
  kind of put it into people's mind there?
• 1:42:00
  Because like, he was, uh, very well known.
• 1:42:04
  His practices were very well known.
• 1:42:06
  This all became interesting. People who would have been
• 1:42:08
  involved in the likes of the CIA later on would have known all
• 1:42:12
  about Crowley and all about the drugs that he was taking between
• 1:42:15
  the ether. Like sleeper agents and things.
• 1:42:18
  Like these guys know and especially like when he was in.
• 1:42:21
  Programming your subconscious. Yes.
• 1:42:23
  So like he was, he's involved in a lot of this stuff.
• 1:42:25
  So people are obviously after figuring out now that he is
• 1:42:28
  forcing his will on people and using this mescaline, using
• 1:42:31
  these drugs, using these psychedelic drugs and stuff like
• 1:42:34
  that. And so the there is kind of, I
• 1:42:39
  wouldn't even say it's a tenuous link.
• 1:42:40
  I think it's actually fairly plausible to say that absolutely
• 1:42:43
  people would have used Crowley's teachings on this mind control
• 1:42:47
  with drugs and put it into the likes of MK Ultra later on,
• 1:42:52
  which the MK Ultra thing, if anyone doesn't know about it, we
• 1:42:56
  can go. We can, we can go and do some
• 1:42:58
  stuff on that at some at some stage as well, because that is
• 1:43:01
  kind of fucked up. It was one of those things that
• 1:43:02
  do. The next one on that, and then
• 1:43:05
  we can relay that back to to Carly as like a little bit of A2
• 1:43:09
  parter, I think. But like, yeah, that, that
• 1:43:11
  shit's mental because it's like, it's when you look at things
• 1:43:13
  like that, like obviously like his teachings and findings were
• 1:43:16
  like big into fucking like spiritualism, whatever.
• 1:43:19
  But you had a lot of like cult leaders, even just tiny little
• 1:43:23
  preachers around that time, which were using drugs that kind
• 1:43:27
  of capture their followers. So that's I'm so glad you've
• 1:43:31
  told me that because that's so interesting to me.
• 1:43:32
  I never kind of like even thought of that part of it.
• 1:43:36
  I just generally mean you just think someone's like charismatic
• 1:43:39
  enough, but like when you bring in the drug use and whatever.
• 1:43:41
  And because like, you can literally like get to a point
• 1:43:43
  where someone's in a deep sleep and it's like hypnosis tapes.
• 1:43:46
  I mean, when you listen to overtime where you sleep and
• 1:43:49
  then it stops you from smoking kind of thing.
• 1:43:51
  If you're listening to something over and over again while you're
• 1:43:53
  sleeping and you're just bending to the will of this person.
• 1:43:56
  Because. You're drawn to do that.
• 1:43:58
  That's crazy. Breaking someone's
• 1:44:00
  susceptibility down to like, like mind control.
• 1:44:04
  So we do not hypnosis works. It works.
• 1:44:08
  Some people are susceptible, absolutely.
• 1:44:10
  But when you get to a point where you're able to break
• 1:44:12
  somebody down with drugs now, let's say even just a drug that
• 1:44:16
  kind of sedates people, that's one thing.
• 1:44:19
  But when you do a mind altering drug like LSD or like the
• 1:44:24
  precursor for mescaline is going to be really easy to kind of
• 1:44:28
  bend someones mind. If you're able to project stuff
• 1:44:31
  into someones mind. Like, you know, I mean, if I
• 1:44:33
  give you LSD and start telling you, oh, like I start giving you
• 1:44:38
  being like your trip sharpa where I'm telling you where
• 1:44:41
  we're going, OK, we're in the forest, we're walking down here.
• 1:44:43
  That's that's where you start. That's the stuff that you start
• 1:44:45
  seeing. So again, if you can, if you can
• 1:44:48
  pro project images towards somebody, you can bend their
• 1:44:53
  mind to your will. But so I've, I've taken LSD once
• 1:44:57
  one time and I, I remember it was like the first day that the
• 1:45:01
  iPhone 6 came out and I was like the first person in Wexford to
• 1:45:04
  buy. There's like 3 people in
• 1:45:05
  Wexford. It was not big deal.
• 1:45:06
  And I went to remember when circus was in the Academy.
• 1:45:09
  Yeah. So circus you guys is exactly
• 1:45:12
  what it sounds like and not the place you want to be when you're
• 1:45:16
  on LSD. Just people walking around and
• 1:45:18
  stilts painted like ends of it was it was bad.
• 1:45:23
  That's a bad trip waiting to happen.
• 1:45:24
  So this is the first time I ever took it.
• 1:45:26
  So one of my friends who had taken a bunch of times decided
• 1:45:29
  to not take it and stay with me. And I'm so fucking glad that he
• 1:45:32
  did, because my phone started ringing and I was convinced that
• 1:45:37
  my phone was turning to Jelly in my hand.
• 1:45:39
  Nice. And I was able to squish it and
• 1:45:42
  I was like and then because it but it was like midnight, my
• 1:45:45
  mother would never call me. But I was convinced because it
• 1:45:48
  was vibrating. My mother was calling me and she
• 1:45:49
  could see that I was high and I was like.
• 1:45:52
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was trying to give my
• 1:45:55
  phone to people. I was just like, I don't want
• 1:45:57
  this, take this, you want this? And then like my friend had to
• 1:46:00
  be like, Danny, give me your fucking phone.
• 1:46:03
  And I was, I don't want her anymore.
• 1:46:04
  He's like, good, you don't want it.
• 1:46:05
  I'll take it. Like knowing that I was just so
• 1:46:07
  high that I was like, it's squishy.
• 1:46:09
  I don't want it. I have to return it when I get
• 1:46:11
  back to Wexford. And he was like, we'll return it
• 1:46:13
  when you get back to, which would just fucking give it to me
• 1:46:15
  right now. And it's things like that that
• 1:46:17
  like, yes, I can understand. I was like, OK, cool, my squishy
• 1:46:21
  phone is safe with my friend. I'm going to get a refund on
• 1:46:24
  Monday. Now I can go have fun and be
• 1:46:26
  terrified of clowns. Well, yeah, with these, with
• 1:46:29
  reality does really alter I I went mad on for yeah, I went to
• 1:46:34
  a house party once and the girl that had the house party had a
• 1:46:37
  fucking freezer full of rooms and I had about 35 more.
• 1:46:41
  Shrooms. I went for 35, yeah, but I also
• 1:46:44
  had about fucking 11 people walking Red Bull in me at the
• 1:46:47
  time. Before I took the shrooms I was
• 1:46:49
  doing chin UPS off a third story balcony so people wonder why I
• 1:46:52
  don't drink anymore. Half.
• 1:46:54
  I was a fucking Luna. Have a nice.
• 1:46:55
  Little. Well, she had more parts.
• 1:46:58
  I I thought I was making. I thought I was making the AI
• 1:47:02
  met a fucking Stew because I I thought everyone was going to
• 1:47:05
  have some, but it was just me and this sort of one guy and.
• 1:47:08
  You guys just took all them by. Yourself.
• 1:47:09
  No, no, he took, he took a like he a shroom and drank a cup of
• 1:47:13
  tea and I like like a couple a cup of that and I drank a cup of
• 1:47:17
  that and then I waited 30 seconds and I said that happened
• 1:47:22
  with you. And he said no.
• 1:47:23
  And I said and I lifted the pot to my head and drank about just
• 1:47:28
  you 3 liters of that and then took about 5 handfuls of it.
• 1:47:31
  I had a twitch for like 3 months afterwards.
• 1:47:33
  I, I, I kind of like I thought I was altered for life after that
• 1:47:37
  because Oh yeah. Everything like the, the stairs
• 1:47:40
  I was on turned into snakes. The toilet was talking to me.
• 1:47:43
  Oh my. God.
• 1:47:45
  I had that the first time that I took it though was like
• 1:47:48
  controlled not because I had friends who were there who had
• 1:47:53
  our I had been taking them and I swear to God it cured my
• 1:47:58
  depression for about 10 years. Like honest, it just alters your
• 1:48:01
  brain and the only way that they can describe it is if you know
• 1:48:05
  the way they say that your brain only use 10% of it and 90% is in
• 1:48:11
  the background. The only way you can describe it
• 1:48:13
  is that I was only in my 10% and I was looking at cool colors and
• 1:48:17
  things were turning into glitter.
• 1:48:18
  Like literally he lived on a Lewis stop.
• 1:48:20
  My friend did and I just saw glitter.
• 1:48:22
  I was like my God, so fucking pretty.
• 1:48:23
  It was a fucking Lewis stop. The right Alto Lewis stop.
• 1:48:26
  And not even a not even one of the prettier ones.
• 1:48:28
  Not even a nice one. Yeah.
• 1:48:30
  And then I feel like the back of my brain was, like, Rubik's
• 1:48:32
  cubing. Yeah.
• 1:48:33
  And like I had just gotten out of like my first ever serious
• 1:48:37
  relationship. So I was carrying a bunch of
• 1:48:39
  shit and then I had this one thing.
• 1:48:41
  So you know that they always say that you chase the rabbit kind
• 1:48:44
  of thing. And there was my chase.
• 1:48:47
  The rabbit was there was one word that I don't think exists,
• 1:48:51
  but I thought so hard that exists.
• 1:48:54
  And I spent the whole night trying to pronounce this word
• 1:48:58
  that maybe does or doesn't exist, but I didn't know what it
• 1:49:00
  was. And then I was like, I came down
• 1:49:06
  the next day and I was like, you know what?
• 1:49:10
  Fuck these guys. So it's been man hating ever
• 1:49:13
  since. But yeah, I recommend shrooms to
• 1:49:16
  anyone at least. I, I, I do want to, I do want to
• 1:49:19
  experience it, but I want, I need someone to like, be there,
• 1:49:23
  guide me, make sure, oh. My God, come over here for the
• 1:49:26
  Book of Mormon and then we'll do it.
• 1:49:28
  OK, yeah, we'll get some shrooms, do the Book of Mormon
• 1:49:31
  1st and then I'll get shrooms and then you can guide me
• 1:49:33
  through. Yeah.
• 1:49:34
  And I'll have an ego death and everything will be happy.
• 1:49:37
  And he is. Yeah, I'll pretend to be John
• 1:49:39
  Smith. Fantastic.
• 1:49:42
  Listen. Wait.
• 1:49:44
  Joseph. Smith, Joseph Smith yeah, dum
• 1:49:46
  dum dum. We've we've we've like now
• 1:49:51
  here's here's another conspiracy that's way out there, right?
• 1:49:55
  This one is so I went down here to of this one guy turns out
• 1:50:02
  like he's not not a great dude. And I let one podcast run on and
• 1:50:07
  the next podcast was just him being so transphobic.
• 1:50:10
  It was that's the guy this but I knew name and.
• 1:50:14
  Shame name and. Shame something Ramsey, but it
• 1:50:16
  doesn't. It doesn't matter because like
• 1:50:19
  he. Jon Benet.
• 1:50:21
  That's exactly. No about.
• 1:50:26
  That transphobia is the worst thing he's done.
• 1:50:33
  No any guys right? So this guy he he goes down the
• 1:50:37
  route of the numbers, the elevens.
• 1:50:39
  So he starts going into like he changes his name to Alistair has
• 1:50:42
  an 11 letters, whatever it is. He uses the K on everything.
• 1:50:47
  So that's the 11th letter. He is obsessed himself, like
• 1:50:51
  Crowley is obsessed with the number 11.
• 1:50:54
  He believes that this is what his his divine number, whatever
• 1:50:56
  it is. So he's, he's convinced with
• 1:50:58
  this and then the guy, he goes into the 9/11 thing and I'm
• 1:51:02
  like, what? How is he going to fucking link
• 1:51:04
  up? Fucking do.
• 1:51:05
  It do it. I'm so impressed.
• 1:51:07
  Do it. Crowley was in France at a time
• 1:51:13
  when Barbara Bush's mother was also in France, and it would
• 1:51:19
  link up that he would have her pregnant with Barbara Bush.
• 1:51:23
  I forgot what her first, I forget what her actual name is
• 1:51:26
  and before she married into them but anyways.
• 1:51:29
  I'm going to punch you in. No, listen, this is crazy.
• 1:51:33
  So because he's like, his whole thing is like, look at her head,
• 1:51:37
  look at her head. He she has the same head as
• 1:51:40
  Aleister Crowley. Big Crowley headner so. 2 bad
• 1:51:52
  neighbors like. You got to check out Barbara
• 1:51:55
  Bush's head. So he believes that Crowley's
• 1:51:58
  teachings never kind of left like, so when he died, he kind
• 1:52:02
  of, as we discourse like he died kind of a pauper's dead.
• 1:52:05
  Like he kind of went out with a fizzle rather than a bang.
• 1:52:08
  But people kind of feel that maybe like his kids actually
• 1:52:11
  carried on, but because he was so like sexually fucking out
• 1:52:15
  there that he would have had people pregnant all over the
• 1:52:18
  fucking place, like so. A good point, yeah.
• 1:52:22
  What he's putting out there is that Barbara Bush's mother
• 1:52:25
  fucking got absolutely rammed sideways by proudly gave.
• 1:52:30
  She gave birth to this girl, eh in France, back over to America,
• 1:52:35
  raised the child. This child fucking married
• 1:52:38
  George Bush senior, had a bunch of fucking kids.
• 1:52:42
  One of the mean George W Bush. Now the Bushes are now
• 1:52:46
  Satanists. This is what the guy is saying.
• 1:52:48
  They're all fucking Satanists, eh?
• 1:52:50
  Barbara's just just a step, step in.
• 1:52:53
  Sorry. Barbara's maiden name was
• 1:52:55
  Pierce. Exactly, Pierce.
• 1:52:57
  Yeah. So now this is when he gets all
• 1:53:00
  up in the fucking the September the 11th soft.
• 1:53:03
  They're fucking right. All these elevens happen again.
• 1:53:06
  So he again he just as like, look at the skyline.
• 1:53:09
  These towers are an 11, right? Their first plane to hit the
• 1:53:13
  tower was flight 11. It happened on 9/11 when George
• 1:53:20
  George Bush senior had, uh, he had, uh, not a script.
• 1:53:26
  What? What's fucking He did a speech,
• 1:53:30
  eh, on September the 11th, 1990. So to the day, 11 years to the
• 1:53:36
  day before September the 11th, 2001, where he had a speech
• 1:53:42
  where he discusses a new world order, keeps talking about this
• 1:53:45
  new world order, new world order, real Masonic kind of
• 1:53:49
  prophetic kind of stuff. It's wild.
• 1:53:51
  It's out there, but. No.
• 1:53:53
  Bush's daughter Barbara, who then they named after the mom.
• 1:53:58
  Bush's daughter Barbara, that they named after his mom, born
• 1:54:03
  on November 1981, so the 11th. So he went through all this kind
• 1:54:09
  of stuff. So everything that happens
• 1:54:12
  happens in November apparently, or happens on the 11th of
• 1:54:15
  something, but it's all 11th is 11.
• 1:54:21
  Yeah, Barbara Bush. So knee pierced June 8th, 1925
• 1:54:26
  to April 17th, 2018. That would have been 12 years
• 1:54:32
  though, which is really funny. But yeah, 1989 to 1993, that's
• 1:54:39
  crazy. But yeah, it's mental again.
• 1:54:42
  I don't know. I'll take whatever this guy is
• 1:54:44
  like a pinch of sauce because he comes up with all this JK
• 1:54:48
  Rowling stuff about how Harry Potter is a all Satan worship
• 1:54:53
  stuff, all this kind of stuff. If like you put Harry Potter
• 1:54:56
  together, it all comes out into elevens.
• 1:54:58
  If you put a mirror up to the Harry Potter sign, the HP
• 1:55:02
  apparently it looks like 911 do. You know, do you know what,
• 1:55:07
  right If I'm writing a series about wizardry and witchcraft?
• 1:55:11
  You're going to look at probably.
• 1:55:12
  Maybe, yeah. And I would intentionally kind
• 1:55:16
  of put little things here and there, you know what I mean?
• 1:55:19
  And I know she's a big fucking transphobia or wherever the fuck
• 1:55:23
  but like she's also very intelligent.
• 1:55:25
  This is what I think he kind of messed up because he he comes in
• 1:55:28
  with this or she's a Satanist and she's all for this and she's
• 1:55:31
  all for that. No, she's just an intelligent
• 1:55:34
  writer. She just pays attention to
• 1:55:36
  detail and she's like, yeah, like, I hate her.
• 1:55:39
  I can't stand her, but yeah. He he kind of backtracked a
• 1:55:43
  little bit when he find when he realized that she's a transform
• 1:55:46
  as well because like she now has because he he's like one of
• 1:55:50
  Satan's agendas is all this new trend.
• 1:55:53
  So for like, you know, fucking oh.
• 1:55:56
  Yeah, like you can be what you want to be.
• 1:55:58
  God made you this. I say you can be whatever you.
• 1:56:01
  Want so this is this is in his mind, that's kind of a say and
• 1:56:03
  that's the kind of a view on life.
• 1:56:05
  So he kind of thinks like that anyone who would be involved in
• 1:56:10
  Satanism would be also pushing this trans agenda according to
• 1:56:14
  himself. But I don't think he kind of
• 1:56:16
  realized that JK Rowling is a renowned transport.
• 1:56:19
  Like, you know, So again, oh, yeah, it's probably thrown his
• 1:56:23
  theory up into the fucking air about her.
• 1:56:25
  Like, But a lot of the stuff there with this, like, he's
• 1:56:28
  like, Harry's wand is 11 inches long.
• 1:56:32
  It's, you know, this kind of all this again, all this stuff comes
• 1:56:36
  down to it's 11, it's 11, it's 11 and like.
• 1:56:39
  Listen, I've been with dudes whose ones were 11 inches and
• 1:56:43
  they've all been very God fearing, OK?
• 1:56:45
  That's it's not all of them. It's fine.
• 1:56:48
  It's not about to say someone, it's about how you
• 1:56:50
  Abradakalabra. So that means that I think we've
• 1:56:54
  kind of we've touched a little bit of, of everything with a,
• 1:56:58
  with Crowley here and we're, we're kind of hitting like we're
• 1:57:01
  well over the two hours and I don't know if he was.
• 1:57:04
  Alex probably has about 20 minutes, half an hour to add.
• 1:57:07
  I don't know. But like again, I don't mind
• 1:57:10
  like, but I don't if we keep scratching at this, well, like I
• 1:57:14
  can go down the route of like Crowley thinks he influenced
• 1:57:18
  Hitler and you know, this kind of stuff as well.
• 1:57:20
  Like so he you're going down. There's so many different
• 1:57:23
  avenues. Like I love that.
• 1:57:25
  Though I would love that because Hitler was notorious
• 1:57:29
  notoriously, But it was like later found out that he was very
• 1:57:32
  much into the occult. And when they had raided his,
• 1:57:35
  like, mansion, it was very much a lot of occult items and things
• 1:57:39
  like that, that he was practicing certain forms of
• 1:57:42
  witchcraft. Not even animal sacrifice.
• 1:57:46
  It was human sacrifice because, you know, not like he couldn't
• 1:57:49
  fucking find a heart or a liver if he wanted to.
• 1:57:53
  But yeah, I think that would be so fucking interesting.
• 1:57:54
  Like a lot of his. And I mean, I know like, Crowley
• 1:57:58
  died in like, what, 1947? 47, yeah.
• 1:58:01
  He was there for the fucking bulk of it and I.
• 1:58:05
  Really. Like it's awesome, serious
• 1:58:07
  stuff. Yeah.
• 1:58:08
  And I feel like a lot of, like, his kind of beliefs and
• 1:58:11
  teachings were maybe, yes, taken by Hitler, but blown up way
• 1:58:18
  beyond proportion because like, well, Crowley, I think was a
• 1:58:21
  horrible bastard. I don't think he was that
• 1:58:25
  horrible of a bastard. Well, I do.
• 1:58:28
  I think that like this, the occult and all that kind of
• 1:58:32
  stuff was there before Crowley. He he didn't invent this stuff.
• 1:58:35
  He kind of came up with his own version.
• 1:58:36
  Absolutely. Not so like, yeah, Hitler, well,
• 1:58:40
  no one that Crowley existed. And he would obviously, he would
• 1:58:44
  know because Crowley, obviously he wrote for a German
• 1:58:47
  publication when he was in New York.
• 1:58:49
  And like, yeah, when when Hitler was fighting in the First World
• 1:58:52
  War, obviously, like they all would have been reading this
• 1:58:56
  Batterland magazine, like, you know, he he would have known of
• 1:58:59
  Crowley and then like Crowley wouldn't have been shy about
• 1:59:03
  writing about his occult practices in this fucking
• 1:59:05
  magazine as well. So like, yeah, that kind of
• 1:59:09
  stuff. And like, again, as you say,
• 1:59:11
  with Hitler, he was kind of open to a little bit of everything.
• 1:59:15
  Like when you you've got the likes of alien technology, what
• 1:59:18
  he thought about with the occult stuff, with drugs, with his own
• 1:59:21
  version of mind control, the. Fact that he saw German
• 1:59:25
  shepherds as like carriages to the underworld and that's why he
• 1:59:28
  had like. Again, how much did he get
• 1:59:32
  influenced by Crowley? I don't know, but it's obviously
• 1:59:35
  there and it's in the zeitgeist. A lot of that is selling your
• 1:59:40
  soul for your cause, which sounds exactly like something
• 1:59:44
  probably would fucking preach but not practice.
• 1:59:46
  Journeyman. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:59:48
  And it does say, like, Hitler reading his workings, Yeah, he
• 1:59:53
  would probably be like, oh, you know, this is good.
• 1:59:55
  So I can't paint a fucking simple landscape, but I can sell
• 1:59:58
  my soul and it's fine. There's there's even the stories
• 2:00:02
  with eh with Crowley as well. Another one I'm going to just
• 2:00:05
  fucking skim through here where eh common kind of eh around the
• 2:00:13
  the end of when he was kind of like being upheld as like eh
• 2:00:17
  someone who could control people.
• 2:00:18
  He had one particular follower who was, uh, this guy he
• 2:00:23
  convinced a prostitute was in love with him.
• 2:00:26
  So he staged this whole thing. He had this kind of humiliation
• 2:00:29
  ritual for this one guy who was his closest follower.
• 2:00:32
  And this guy's family was like paying Crowley to the, you know,
• 2:00:36
  he kept getting money off his parents to, to give to to
• 2:00:39
  Crowley. This guy was someone who was
• 2:00:41
  like a gifted author, apparently.
• 2:00:43
  Like he was like, you know, he wasn't an idiot.
• 2:00:45
  He was, he was a clever guy, but he had fallen into the, the trap
• 2:00:48
  of eh being enticed by Crowley and being mesmerized by him.
• 2:00:53
  And he was a virgin and he wasn't doing too well with the
• 2:00:56
  women. You know, he was very shy,
• 2:00:57
  couldn't, couldn't do anything. So eh, Crowley convinced them
• 2:01:01
  this woman was in love with him. And eh, he got the prostitute to
• 2:01:04
  play along with it so in so much that he married the two of them.
• 2:01:08
  So they, they, they got married. He was with her.
• 2:01:11
  She was pretending in a whole lot like they, they had sex.
• 2:01:14
  So the guy was on top of the world.
• 2:01:16
  And then Crowley brought this guy off to a brothel and
• 2:01:19
  convinced them to have sex with a prostitute and then came back
• 2:01:25
  to this woman who I. Was.
• 2:01:28
  Like, oh girl, she was all in on it.
• 2:01:30
  But like he he told her she she said, I heard you cheat.
• 2:01:34
  I mean, this brothel had this whole thing were fucking like
• 2:01:37
  and this whole stage thing where the guy was so fucking down,
• 2:01:41
  like she ordered a divorce. She was she was like, that's it.
• 2:01:46
  Fucking you should go fucking kill yourself the whole lot.
• 2:01:48
  And when he was at a point when he was going to fucking like end
• 2:01:50
  it all, that was when Crowley went Ha, gotcha.
• 2:01:55
  You've been pumped the whole thing like so he.
• 2:01:59
  I hate this guy. He just ruined a guy like an
• 2:02:04
  innocent person, someone who's like given him money, who is
• 2:02:08
  doing every bit of bidding that he would do.
• 2:02:10
  He's he's like, he's a runaround for him.
• 2:02:12
  He's an errand boy, but he just couldn't help but play.
• 2:02:17
  But he was this whole thing was like a, he was like, this is
• 2:02:20
  going to make you stronger. This is going to bring you
• 2:02:22
  closer to the the higher powers that are out there because
• 2:02:27
  you've like Crowley ended up like spending like a week in
• 2:02:31
  this fucking circle where he called onto a beast to possess
• 2:02:36
  him. And he told the guy, do not let
• 2:02:38
  me fucking leave. No matter what.
• 2:02:40
  I can't leave this circle. I'm going to convince you.
• 2:02:42
  I'm going to try and convince you it's me or whatever.
• 2:02:44
  And you can't let me leave this circle until it's done.
• 2:02:47
  And he tormented this guy. So again, whether it was him or
• 2:02:50
  this beast, like fucking saying who possessed them.
• 2:02:54
  Yeah, but the guy was there and the like, he said the worst
• 2:03:00
  things, threaten the worst things to this guy, that if he
• 2:03:02
  doesn't let him out with the circle.
• 2:03:04
  And again, Crowley never left that fucking circle.
• 2:03:06
  So it's like, was he playing this character?
• 2:03:10
  But he really believed himself. Was he possessed by a fucking
• 2:03:12
  devil? This is the whole.
• 2:03:14
  I think so to have a good handle on himself though when it came
• 2:03:19
  to that kind of shit. He was a like, he was a lunatic.
• 2:03:23
  He was a cunt and everything, but he was very, very
• 2:03:27
  knowledgeable and spiritual about what he was tapping into
• 2:03:31
  and what like, and I mean, again, it's just like it is
• 2:03:35
  pushing it back on me and me relating to Crowley a little bit
• 2:03:37
  because I'm just like, yeah, you give me money to watch you come.
• 2:03:40
  Like, yeah, yeah. I'll tell everyone.
• 2:03:42
  Do you know what I mean? And I'm just like, am I just
• 2:03:44
  like a a very, very small version?
• 2:03:47
  Of again, eh, back to you watching a guy fucking splooge
• 2:03:51
  in his own face. That's not you using that like,
• 2:03:55
  that's you benefiting from that guy's fucking kink.
• 2:03:58
  But you didn't force him into that situation where Crowley is
• 2:04:01
  very much someone manipulate. He would manipulate it for his
• 2:04:04
  own ends. You're just kind of and.
• 2:04:06
  Then like do this or yeah, it was very.
• 2:04:09
  Much you're being opportunistic there with yours like you're
• 2:04:11
  like this guy wants to do that and I can fist I'm.
• 2:04:14
  Like Pazuzu, I'm the I'm the smiling demon.
• 2:04:17
  I'm like, yeah, yeah. So I.
• 2:04:21
  Yeah, I only exist to be like. I suppose like that we've said
• 2:04:27
  enough. I think we've kind of come to a
• 2:04:28
  point where we can. Alex is gonna hate this.
• 2:04:31
  He's just like, what do you want me to do with?
• 2:04:34
  This again, I don't think there's that much stuff here
• 2:04:36
  like because again, it is we're meandering in and out.
• 2:04:39
  We're like fucking 2 ricochet and pinballs that are coming in
• 2:04:42
  and out of. But at the same we, we kept a
• 2:04:44
  true line with with Alistair. And I think that you can't, you
• 2:04:49
  can't really do the whole story. There's too.
• 2:04:52
  Much. There's too much.
• 2:04:53
  You just kind of have to maybe. Yeah, that's the thing.
• 2:04:57
  I think maybe like at most we could probably split it into
• 2:04:59
  two. But like, again, I know we did.
• 2:05:02
  They're off at times, but it was all very relevant to him and his
• 2:05:06
  behavior and how he lived his life and his beliefs and stuff
• 2:05:09
  like that. And it just like it just it
• 2:05:12
  never ends. You could go off on so many
• 2:05:16
  tangents about this. Man.
• 2:05:18
  Like he just was an enigma. Fucking crazy.
• 2:05:22
  He inspired a whole fucking bunch of people who still preach
• 2:05:26
  him to this day and still like actually use them in their
• 2:05:29
  incantations. I never fucking would.
• 2:05:32
  I just think he's misogynistic piece of shit but a lot of
• 2:05:37
  people still do use his name. If we yeah, if we look at what
• 2:05:40
  he did inspire like you've got the like the likes of
• 2:05:43
  Rock'n'roll lifestyles, you've got the swing in 60s, eh, the
• 2:05:51
  the hedonistic drug use that came later on, Even so far as
• 2:05:55
  the tarot cards that you would actually use now, yes.
• 2:05:59
  Exactly. As they're the deck that Crowley
• 2:06:00
  would have kind of inspired, of course they were there before
• 2:06:02
  Crowley their their centuries and bought the absolutely he the
• 2:06:07
  decks that we use now would have been inspired by Crowley.
• 2:06:11
  And the same way Satanism right now wouldn't be the same way as
• 2:06:15
  it was without Crowley's input and the same with Wicca.
• 2:06:20
  So Wicca is is another one that again, it would exist, but it
• 2:06:26
  wouldn't exist in the same way as it does now because Crowley
• 2:06:29
  had such an influence on witchcraft.
• 2:06:31
  Exactly like the the practices and the way that you practice so
• 2:06:36
  much of it is is actually taken from what Crowley had started
• 2:06:40
  and like, whether you believe in him or not.
• 2:06:42
  Like I know a lot of witches who want nothing to do with anything
• 2:06:45
  in but like invented by a man impossible, obviously
• 2:06:49
  impossible. Witchcraft has been around long
• 2:06:52
  before Christianity, long before anything else.
• 2:06:54
  And I do think while I don't agree with him, a lot of his
• 2:06:58
  methods very effective. Very you know, it does get the
• 2:07:04
  results. You can say what you want about
• 2:07:06
  him again. Is it the whole like right
• 2:07:10
  message, wrong messenger kind of?
• 2:07:12
  Thing that you could kind of use with this some some of it is the
• 2:07:15
  wrong message as well. But yeah, I get what you're
• 2:07:17
  saying. You can you can reject you can
• 2:07:20
  reject some of his team, his teachings.
• 2:07:22
  You can reject him as the the kind of person that he was, but
• 2:07:26
  you can't deny who he was, the influence he had.
• 2:07:29
  And even I'm not even just talking on witchcraft or
• 2:07:32
  Satanism or anything like that, but I mean like on popular
• 2:07:35
  culture and even how, eh, how the world kind of came to be in
• 2:07:42
  the 20th century, so. Just such a complex mind and so
• 2:07:48
  interesting, very powerful, which you know, whether he was
• 2:07:52
  using it for good or bad, but his mind alone like was like
• 2:07:55
  just he says incredible. You can't deny that this was a
• 2:07:59
  very fucking like intelligent man with just no limits.
• 2:08:06
  A complicated, A complicated, influential man who was flawed
• 2:08:12
  to the NTH degree, but boy folk was he able to where command
• 2:08:19
  attention and an audience And a real if.
• 2:08:25
  If you didn't know about Alistair Crowley and you did get
• 2:08:30
  as far as we are getting right now in this podcast, you
• 2:08:33
  probably haven't learned a lot because we skimmed through it.
• 2:08:35
  But if you could just go, yeah, there's so much.
• 2:08:38
  Pick up a ball, listen to a podcast, watch a YouTube video.
• 2:08:42
  It's fucking fascinating. I fell down this rabbit hole.
• 2:08:46
  I know. And Danny, you fell down some
• 2:08:48
  rabbit holes for Aleister Crowley this week as well.
• 2:08:50
  Not as deep as you, not. As deep?
• 2:08:52
  Yeah, there's again. I got it.
• 2:08:54
  I want to thank you for that because that that was so
• 2:08:57
  interesting to me. I.
• 2:08:58
  I kind of just went the Life and Times and you just were like.
• 2:09:02
  Yeah, I got I got in there. But again, like, yeah, for me
• 2:09:05
  it's an overview. It's no details, but anyways, we
• 2:09:07
  we we could talk about it all night, but we'll we'll stick a
• 2:09:10
  pin in it now and thanks everyone.
• 2:09:13
  If you got if you got this far, thank you for listening.
• 2:09:16
  I've been justy. I've.
• 2:09:18
  Been dying. Thank you.
• 2:09:18
  I'm. Just here.
• 2:09:19
  Thank you very. Much.
• 2:09:20
  For you very much took the lead on this one, so.
• 2:09:24
  And yeah, this has been hocus pocus lack of focus.
• 2:09:28
  And thanks for hanging out with us for a spell.
• 2:09:32
  Sounds pretty good. Wait, wait, no.
• 2:09:33
  Do you know what I'm going to do?
• 2:09:34
  I'm going to cut off that intro because I'm going to do.
• 2:09:38
  It's a natural. A communication spell.
• 2:09:41
  Whatever. A communication spell,
• 2:09:43
  incredibly, and I'll let you all know how it goes.
• 2:09:46
  I think it would be a lot of fun.
• 2:09:47
  And then Alex can add No, I'll just post it.
• 2:09:51
  On probably. After the episode.
• 2:09:53
  No, I'm gonna go do it right now.
• 2:09:55
  I've had like fucking 2 1/2 bottles of wine and I'm looking
• 2:09:59
  at my spell jar and I just bought Bay leaves.
• 2:10:02
  So I'm gonna, yeah, I'm gonna go talk to Alistair and we'll see
• 2:10:05
  what we can get. OK, well let us know how that
• 2:10:07
  works out. This probably isn't bad.
• 2:10:12
  If my bowl splits in half, then you'll know, OK, OK, I'll post
• 2:10:17
  that on the Instagram and then I won't have a caption.
• 2:10:19
  And then I'll be like, OK, it's a broken bowl and you have to
• 2:10:23
  stay for three more episodes to find out what that is.
• 2:10:27
  OK, so if this is the outro, then thank you.
• 2:10:30
  Thank you for listening to Hocus Pocus, Lack of focus.
• 2:10:33
  I've been just the she's been. Danny, thanks for hanging out
• 2:10:37
  with us for a spell. Love you.
• 2:10:41
  Bye.