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Pete Crow-Armstrong gets into it with a White Sox fan and more takeakways from the Cubs’ rough road trip · North Side Territory: A Chicago Cubs Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Moodey. We are your
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  Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick, it was
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  Speaker 1: a crazy atmosphere on the South Side. The White Sox
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  Speaker 1: take two or three. The Cubs won the first one
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  Speaker 1: pretty They pretty much had that one, but the atmosphere
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  Speaker 1: was wild. It seemed like I was not there for
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  Speaker 1: that one, but it seemed like even watching it on
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  Speaker 1: TV that there was that the fans were into it.
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  Speaker 1: Saturday they got out of hand pretty quickly. White Sox
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  Speaker 1: power kind of took over right away, and then Sunday
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  Speaker 1: was just one of those classic games and the fans
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  Speaker 1: were into it the entire time. And let's start there
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  Speaker 1: with some fan interaction, like a pretty big moment Miguel
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  Speaker 1: Argus two men on two outs, Peek Armstrong nearly makes
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  Speaker 1: a play.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's important to.
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  Speaker 1: Set that up with saying like he had no business
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  Speaker 1: making any play on that ball, where it was hit,
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  Speaker 1: how hard it was hit. It was like that he
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  Speaker 1: was even close and had a chance to get a
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  Speaker 1: glove on. It just shows how talented he is and
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  Speaker 1: how good he is, but he nearly made the play,
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  Speaker 1: didn't double for Miguel Vargus. Two runs, score four to
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  Speaker 1: four game, and he's kind of sitting there back to
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  Speaker 1: the you know, to the infield, and and it's it's
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  Speaker 1: right there where like in the outfield the White Sox
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  Speaker 1: have fans. It's I think it's like the dugout bar,
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  Speaker 1: or not the dugout bar.
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  Speaker 2: The bullpen bar.
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  Speaker 1: And and a fan, a woman who I believe was
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  Speaker 1: like like it was an engagement party or something. Some
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  Speaker 1: I think some people had reports on that, uh starts
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  Speaker 1: screaming at him. Uh, and and he had some choice
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  Speaker 1: words back at her. Afterwards after the game, he said
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  Speaker 1: he said she was talking, she was talking stuff and
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  Speaker 1: and he decided to talk back.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that that was that was probably the moment
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  Speaker 1: of the series as far as like what what stands
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  Speaker 1: out as as far as like an image from that series.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, without a doubt, I think that is going to
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  Speaker 4: be the the shorthand from this weekend. That will just
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  Speaker 4: kind of go into everyone's uh, you know notebooks.
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  Speaker 2: As kind of a.
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  Speaker 4: Catchphrase to describe the Crosstown series, whether it's you know,
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  Speaker 4: Ozzie Geean Rippin' Wrigley Fields Loopanella going off on Steve Stone,
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  Speaker 4: what was it big Z going after to Derek Lee
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  Speaker 4: in the dugout? Obviously our colleague Aj Persinski was involved
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  Speaker 4: in one of them. And I think Pete versus this
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  Speaker 4: fan will just be part of that sort of endless
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  Speaker 4: loop now. And I was curious what was Pete's demeanor
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  Speaker 4: in the clubhouse afterwards, because he can be unpredictable when
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  Speaker 4: you approach his locker.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, at first he was a little short
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  Speaker 1: with his answers, but I think he you know, he
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  Speaker 1: did not like back away from the questions. He eventually
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  Speaker 1: answered them a little longer form, and and yeah he
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  Speaker 1: was I don't think he was thrilled that they lost
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  Speaker 1: the game. I think that was his primary frustration. He
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  Speaker 1: believed he should have caught that ball, Like I said,
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  Speaker 1: like he, I think we really need to recalibrate how
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  Speaker 1: we watched defense with Pete crow Armstrong out there there
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  Speaker 1: are balls he gets too, he comes close to making
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  Speaker 1: that just shouldn't he shouldn't be close to them, like
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  Speaker 1: it just shouldn't be a play. But he has high
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  Speaker 1: expectations for himself which is great. That's what you want
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  Speaker 1: from a guy like him, And he was disappointed that
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  Speaker 1: he didn't make that play. He didn't like the fans stuff.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't get too deep into. It was just one question,
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  Speaker 1: but I think I think in the moment he was
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  Speaker 1: just like he didn't want to hear that. And he's
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  Speaker 1: not the title like he's gonna say stuff back. That's
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  Speaker 1: just how Pete is. He's not afraid to talk, so
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think the other thing that he said
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  Speaker 1: is like he was very he was full of praise
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  Speaker 1: for the White Sox, and I heard that a lot
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  Speaker 1: this weekend, a lot of praise for that team.
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  Speaker 2: Jameson Taiwan, who.
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  Speaker 1: Will talk about later, had a great quote on Murakami
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  Speaker 1: just basically saying, you know, I don't know how twenty
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  Speaker 1: nine other teams passed.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like the.
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  Speaker 1: League just passed him up, like that's a that's a
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  Speaker 1: miss by the league. Certainly seemed that way watching him
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  Speaker 1: this weekend. The rest of it, like, in general, this
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  Speaker 1: offense looks legit, This White Sox offense a lot of
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's obviously there's ways you can get him
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  Speaker 1: out and it's a high strikeout group. But between Montgomery, Murakami,
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  Speaker 1: Miguel Vargas, who I mean that trade looks great now
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  Speaker 1: for the White Sox. He looks legit. I mean, of
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  Speaker 1: the three, he's the one that I see like doesn't
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  Speaker 1: strike out, he walks a ton and now is hitting
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  Speaker 1: for power and it plays their base like yeah, like
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  Speaker 1: he seems like this is this is impressive. This is
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  Speaker 1: this is a guy that you know, you can kind
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  Speaker 1: of build around or build with at at minimum some
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  Speaker 1: nice pieces there. And and they they took it to
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  Speaker 1: the Cubs for a couple of games there. They did
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  Speaker 1: not have trouble scoring runs, and I think, uh, open
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  Speaker 1: some eyes for some fan like for some players in
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  Speaker 1: that Cubs clubhouse where they were like, yeah, this team,
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  Speaker 1: you know, not easy to pitch to, not not easy
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  Speaker 1: to work around in any way. And Pete said he
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  Speaker 1: kind of relates to the group, the bunch of young
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  Speaker 1: guys that are trying to get after it and hungry,
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  Speaker 1: and he understands that mentality and and uh seems like
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of respect for that group in the
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  Speaker 1: Cubs clubhouse.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: If I if I'm following the White Sox, I want
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  Speaker 4: to see how those position players hold up over the
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  Speaker 4: course of one hundred and sixty two games. Can they
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  Speaker 4: keep their pitching like healthy and viable over six months?
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  Speaker 4: You know, can their front office meet the moment at
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  Speaker 4: the trade deadline should it come to that. And then
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  Speaker 4: obviously long term, like this ownership situation is sort of murky,
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  Speaker 4: and I guess you know, it's unconventional, and like will
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  Speaker 4: they eventually like spend to augment what looks like a
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  Speaker 4: pretty nice score, But yeah, they play in the right division.
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  Speaker 2: To hang around.
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  Speaker 4: I think you and I and most people who've interacted
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  Speaker 4: with Will Venable, even somewhat briefly during this time with
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  Speaker 4: the Cubs, have a lot of respect obviously for his resume,
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  Speaker 4: his demeanor, his humble nature, his intelligence, all of those things.
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  Speaker 4: So definitely a big time weekend that felt like the
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  Speaker 4: City Series was back, and I think it was a
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  Speaker 4: you know a little bit of a I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if wake up call a reality check is too strong
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  Speaker 4: a word, but looking at this group of Cubs position players,
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  Speaker 4: obviously very solid one through nine, but right now they're
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  Speaker 4: kind of going through. I mean, Pete has not really
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  Speaker 4: fully launched yet offensively. Alex Regman's fine player, but hasn't
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  Speaker 4: really been a huge difference maker. You know, Dansby Swanson
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  Speaker 4: seems to be going through one of his you're really
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  Speaker 4: cold spells as a as a streaky hitter in general.
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  Speaker 4: I'm assuming you're not too concerned about the offense, but
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't overall, it doesn't look like great at this
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  Speaker 4: particular moment.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, they're they're going through it, especially this road
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  Speaker 1: trip at three and six road trip. Outside of the
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  Speaker 1: games that they won, and even in those there were
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  Speaker 1: some there were some moments that you know, they didn't
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  Speaker 1: come through, but like the offense just did not come
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  Speaker 1: through in with runners in scoring position. Uh. I tend
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  Speaker 1: to believe and I've said, probably said this a dozen
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  Speaker 1: times on the podcast. Uh and and Craig Counsel will agree, like, well,
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  Speaker 1: will emphasize this as well. Look, you're those things kind
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  Speaker 1: of go in cycles sometimes and it seems to come
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  Speaker 1: in bunches.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I that.
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  Speaker 1: That's the one weird thing to me about the runners
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  Speaker 1: in scoring position things. It'll go well for like two
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  Speaker 1: weeks and you'll be like, wow, this team just knows
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  Speaker 1: how to come through, and then it just craters. They're
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  Speaker 1: hitting like one eighty something with runners in scoring position,
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  Speaker 1: or they did on this nine game trip, just not
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  Speaker 1: coming through a lot of opportunities and not coming through
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  Speaker 1: in those moments. I think they were two for fifteen
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday, they scored eight runs, you know, and they
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  Speaker 1: lose that game. You're not talking about that if they
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  Speaker 1: you know, somehow pull that game off.
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  Speaker 2: You're talking about Michael Gonfordo's clutch hit.
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  Speaker 1: I think there was a game, I want to say
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  Speaker 1: the Saturday in Texas that was just like you can't
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  Speaker 1: like I want to say they were like Oho for
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  Speaker 1: thirteen or something like that. It was like, those are
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  Speaker 1: the types of games that just eat at a team
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  Speaker 1: and drive fans nuts. But I do think that they
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  Speaker 1: have a good enough offense to kind of come through
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  Speaker 1: in those moments. They have players that know how to
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  Speaker 1: come through. I do think Bregman's starting to turn it around.
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  Speaker 1: But the Bush is starting to turn it around. Dansby
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  Speaker 1: Swanson is in a funk deep one Moist is by
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  Speaker 1: a steros. The league is adjusted, He's got he's got
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  Speaker 1: to adjust back. Nico's kind of struggling lately now. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he was off to such a hot start. May has
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  Speaker 1: been a little bit of a struggle for him. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think anybody really doubts that Nico's gonna come through
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  Speaker 1: and and and figure it out and get back to
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  Speaker 1: being Nico. But there are some you know, it's just
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  Speaker 1: been a it's been a slog on this road trip.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think the offense is something to be freaked
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  Speaker 1: out about, but you know that's not gonna stop fans
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  Speaker 1: from focusing on the runners and scoring position stuff. Again,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say like they I think these things swing
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  Speaker 1: wildly over the course of a season, and it tends
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  Speaker 1: to even out. The one weird thing, like I said
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  Speaker 1: to me, is like, it's weird that it sometimes happens
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  Speaker 1: in bunches, and that's when you really focus on it.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it's a mental thing too, when it does happen
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  Speaker 1: in bunches you get that one hit. Like you know,
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  Speaker 1: the game feels very different if say Suzuki is someone
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  Speaker 1: that's also been in a little bit of a funk.
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  Speaker 1: If say it comes through with two outs in the
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  Speaker 1: bases loaded in the tenth inning, gets a base hit,
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  Speaker 1: kind of blows that game open. We're probably talking about
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  Speaker 1: a different situation as well.
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  Speaker 4: Or if the Cubs execute a pitch here or there,
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  Speaker 4: which we'll get into.
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  Speaker 2: In the next two segments.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, let's take a break and talk a
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  Speaker 1: little bit about some pitching and what's going on there.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Patrick, pitching injuries have obviously piled up, and
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  Speaker 1: that's that's led to a lot of questions. And the
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  Speaker 1: Cubs have done a pretty arkable job of staying afloat.
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  Speaker 1: But I think it's catching up to them right now
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  Speaker 1: and their depth is being tested. And it's not even
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  Speaker 1: the injured players, like the replacements that are causing issues now.
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  Speaker 1: Guys that you thought you could rely on just are
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  Speaker 1: not performing. And one one in particular, who was on
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  Speaker 1: the il. You thought him getting healthy could maybe shake
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  Speaker 1: things up and get him back to being his twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five self.
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  Speaker 2: But Phil Mayton, I know, fans quickly.
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  Speaker 1: You know will oh No, they get a guy that
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: used to be with the Astros, it's you know, it's
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: a disaster.
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  Speaker 2: It never works for them.
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  Speaker 1: No relievers from the Astros work for them. Mayton's searching
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  Speaker 1: for it right now. He's had some moments where it
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  Speaker 1: looked like he was getting back to, you know, his
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  Speaker 1: best self, but it's not there.
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  Speaker 2: It's there was a.
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  Speaker 1: Really rough game on the road at some point, I believe,
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  Speaker 1: I mean during the Atlanta or Texas series one of those,
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  Speaker 1: and then obviously, a three run shot to Tristan Peters.
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  Speaker 2: His first long ball.
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  Speaker 1: This is not a guy that you know, you expect
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  Speaker 1: to hit home runs, but that was that was a
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  Speaker 1: big blow in this game, obviously, and Mayton was kind
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  Speaker 1: of dejected in the clubhouse, kind of one of those
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  Speaker 1: moments where he's just staring in his locker the whole
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  Speaker 1: time media is in the room. Didn't feel like talking,
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  Speaker 1: which is his right. He's usually very very accessible and
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  Speaker 1: willing to talk. But I think he probably needs a
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  Speaker 1: day to kind of think over these things. And Craig
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  Speaker 1: Council even said like, we're gonna have to put our
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: heads together and kind of figure it out because they
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  Speaker 1: need it.
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  Speaker 2: They need phil Maton to be good.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you mentioned that off the air. I was kind
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  Speaker 4: of surprised to hear that that he declined to comment
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  Speaker 4: someone who's been a veteran and successful for a very
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  Speaker 4: long time. Yeah, I got. I mean, I gotta say,
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  Speaker 4: like we are usually, you know, covering the offseason, kind
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  Speaker 4: of rolling our eyes with some of the Cubs bargain
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  Speaker 4: bin signings, but maybe they're just like not good at
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  Speaker 4: you know, kind of identifying the relievers giving them the
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  Speaker 4: two year deals. I think in the worst way possible,
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  Speaker 4: they're proving their own points. So I'm sure there's not
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  Speaker 4: a whole lot of satisfaction in that regard. But I
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: go back to you know, Andrew Kittridge's I think it
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  Speaker 4: was a nine million dollar option. I was asked about
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  Speaker 4: that actually during the playoffs, because we didn't know when
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: the season would end. It just didn't want to save
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  Speaker 4: it all till the end. And it was kind of like,
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  Speaker 4: well that nine million dollars. Maybe we signed like nine
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  Speaker 4: guys for potentially nine million dollars and if one of
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: them's right, we're geniuses, and that's it's a pretty effective strategy,
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  Speaker 4: you know. Or you could also say maybe the Cubs
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  Speaker 4: sort of well, that was a large contract by their standards.
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  Speaker 4: It was not really kind of a market rate for
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  Speaker 4: some of these closer types who are moving and a
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  Speaker 4: lot of them moved to you know, National League teams
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  Speaker 4: in the playoff hunt. I want to say his reliever
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  Speaker 4: or contract was maybe top fifteen in terms of overall value.
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  Speaker 4: It was not, you know, close to the top end.
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  Speaker 4: And you're right, you know, one or two outings really
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  Speaker 4: blow up a reliever's profile, his stat line and maybe
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  Speaker 4: they can get them back, but just a really rough
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  Speaker 4: start in an area where the Cubs have are reluctant
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  Speaker 4: to invest money, and you know, Maytons showing them why
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  Speaker 4: right now?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean sorry, excuse me.
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  Speaker 1: That pitch to Peters, if I remember correctly, was like
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  Speaker 1: center cut, like it was not a good pitch. It was, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: right down the middle. I'm looking at it now, just
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  Speaker 1: a hanging sweeper.
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  Speaker 2: He's clearly you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, there's something off, whether it's the knees still bothering him,
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  Speaker 1: whether he's trying to get his mechanics right, whatever it is.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like to suggest that relievers are just completely
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  Speaker 1: done when when stuff like this happens, because I felt
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  Speaker 1: like with Hector Narris and Ryan Presley was a little
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  Speaker 1: more obvious that this is going to be tough. These
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  Speaker 1: guys don't have the same stuff anymore. There's I think
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  Speaker 1: the stuff may still be there for film Aton, but
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  Speaker 1: there's something else off and he needs to get right.
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  Speaker 1: You're not at the point where you're running out of time,
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  Speaker 1: so to say, you know, it's still may so you
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  Speaker 1: can get him right. But they I think it's it's
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  Speaker 1: really important. The injuries and and the ineffectiveness are going
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  Speaker 1: to cost the Cubs in the bullpen if they don't
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  Speaker 1: get get some of these guys right. And may Ton
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  Speaker 1: is obviously big cale Thielbar is probably coming back today.
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  Speaker 1: We're recording on a Monday. He's probably coming back today.
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  Speaker 1: That that's important.
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned Andrew Kittridge Patrick uh eleven oh five r
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  Speaker 1: not striking guys out, and uh, and I think he
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  Speaker 1: just he just came off the I L with a
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  Speaker 1: shoulder issue.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, they made the right call.
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  Speaker 1: There, I guess, but but uh didn't didn't spend that
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  Speaker 1: money perfectly. It's hard. It's hard to rebuild a bullpen.
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  Speaker 1: You never know, these things are go up and down.
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  Speaker 1: You think you have this consistent guy that that every
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  Speaker 1: year performs, and then I mean, and it's not like
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  Speaker 1: he was not on a down trend.
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  Speaker 2: He was.
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  Speaker 1: He had an optic last year. It's a it's not
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  Speaker 1: it's an imperfect science. And and I you know, uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's got to be frustrating for those involved, uh trying
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  Speaker 1: to figure this out. And and and you know kind
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  Speaker 1: of like what did what what did you do wrong?
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  Speaker 1: You finally spend on someone that you think is is
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  Speaker 1: not like at the end of their career and and
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  Speaker 1: it leads to this, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I think confidence has got to be kind of part
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  Speaker 4: of this at this point. The way you described the
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: scene and the visiting clubhouse at Rayfield midtime has a
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: really good reputation as a you know, buttoned up personality,
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: someone who's really curious about pitching. Has I think councils said,
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: you know, a great pitching mind, is how he described
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  Speaker 4: it in spring training, and so that certainly a turnaround
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  Speaker 4: is not totally out of the cour question. And I
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  Speaker 4: think probably could use some lower leverage moments to work
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  Speaker 4: through whatever this is. And I still the back of
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  Speaker 4: my head, I don't know if the knee is still
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  Speaker 4: a thing. But the way he described it as he
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  Speaker 4: was kind of close to coming off the injured list
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  Speaker 4: was like in April he was feeling like how he
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  Speaker 4: felt last September with the knee, and that is that
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  Speaker 4: to me was sounding an alarm bell of like, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: this is just gonna have to me manage the whole time.
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  Speaker 4: And obviously, when you're talking about the knee generating power
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  Speaker 4: and balance and consistency, like that's not not gonna help if.
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  Speaker 2: You have like a chronic knee issue. Yeah, absolutely so.
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  Speaker 1: I mean this could just be like an injury related
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  Speaker 1: thing where and not even injury, just pain tolerance and
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: not being able to fully do your you know, do
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: what you need to do on the mound. So we'll
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: see how they how they move forward with that. Let's
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: talk about another pitcher that had a day to forget
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  Speaker 1: Patrick. We know Jamison Tyne is a flyball pitcher. He
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: gives up home runs. This is not a surprise. And
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: the White Sox hit home runs. They're one of the
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: better home run hitting teams in baseball, and they teed
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: off on Jamison Tyn on Saturday. Five home runs. Yeah,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: five home runs. Just a really rough performance, and they didn't.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: He made mistakes and they did not miss them. This
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: was not a situation where they were fouling them back.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: They popped them up. No, they sent every single mistake
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: that he made. Maybe the one that wasn't a mistake
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: was was the first We're a COMI home run. He
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: probably wanted it a little lower, but still it was
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: off the plate. Other than that, like that, they just
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: kind of took advantage of Tyne not having his best command.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I believe it was eight runs and all on Tyne
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: and all coming via the home run. Just just a
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: rough day and now he's like his overall season numbers
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: are up. He leads all baseball and home runs allowed.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Not not an ideal situation. And Tyne is you know,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: we know he's a pro and he's going to put
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: in the work to get back to get right. But
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: that that was a rough rough day for him.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean his previous start he was matching
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: up well against Jacob du Gram in Texas. He's been
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: pretty good on balance after that really rough spring training.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: I'm not super worried.
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  Speaker 2: About ty On.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's just like he's alluded to earlier, so
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: hot of like the pitching injuries just seemed to be
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: catching up to them. Of just like if there's any
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: sort well this is more than a slight down tick.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: But you know, Edward Cabrera hasn't been great. He's been
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: like fine, Tiwn's been pretty good. Shoda has been great,
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: but he's probably due for a little bit of regression.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: Like do you think Ben Brown's gonna you know, have
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: a zero er and the rotation the rest of the year.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Probably not.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: And you see the cracks in the bullpen. I think
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: just all of it kind of reinforces what we've been
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: talking about the Cubs need to go out and get
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: more pitching. Eventually, they need to stabilize the group. They
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: need certain pitchers to get healthy. But it was kind
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: of jarring just seeing the White Sox just teeing off
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: after you know, several years there were they were just,
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: you know, one of the worst baseball organizations of all time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: The home run Colson Montgomery hit was one of those
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: whoa home runs, So you know, one of the ones
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: where you see it live and you're like, I haven't
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: seen many hit that far or you know in that area. Yeah, Yeah,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: that guy's got some legit pop.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm seeing a lot of people like complain I
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: saw I was seeing a lot of people complain about
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: ty Owne. I just feel like, this is this happens.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: He's not an ace. He's a fourth or fifth starter
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: on a good team, and that's what he should be, uh,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: fourth or like even on the best of teams. These
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: those guys, those back of your rotation guys have blow
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: up outings. He's going to have a handful of these
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: every year, and.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like we go through this a lot.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Obviously, the first three months of his first season here,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: it was far too often I but since then he's
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: been really strong, and then this was a disaster outing,
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  Speaker 1: and I like what Tyne has been great at is
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: kind of punching back, figuring out what he did wrong,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: what's going wrong, adjusting in some way and giving them
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: sometimes great but mostly just like good enough. That's what like,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: you need to keep your team in the game, give
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: your offense a chance to win, and set your team
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: up for an opportunity to.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Get a W. But that's mostly what he does.
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  Speaker 1: I I don't like there's like it's either a lot
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: of times the reaction I see is like it's black
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: or white. It's like this guy's awesome, where this guy stinks.
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  Speaker 2: Like they don't have a lot of options.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: First of all, so Jameson Tyne's like spot in the rotation,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, jab Rasad got sent down to stretched
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: out that. It doesn't mean he's taking over Jameson Tyon's
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: rotation spot. They don't have They can't do that. They
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: just need depth. They needed to send Tavirasad down because
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: they need someone in the minors to call upon if
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: there's another injury or if you know, if something happens.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: They need that. They can't have no starting pitching depth.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: So I get the frustration, I get the reactions at times,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: but also I think people need a little perspective. He's
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: been pretty good for the most part, and you cannot
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: expect perfection from the back end rotation guy. He needs
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: to be better than he was on Saturday. He'll tell
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: you that. But I just think like it. The Cubs
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: don't have a lot of options. This is a trustworthy veteran,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: and you kind of know that he's going to put
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: in the work to try and get back. It may
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: take a start or two. There may be more bad
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: starts coming. It wouldn't be shocked by that, but also
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if he doesn't put together, you know,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: a good stretch in the near future as well.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny how it lines up here with the
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: Brewers coming into town. That the Cubs probably caught the
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: Mets and Phillies at good times, and we'll see if
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: the Brewers are catching the Cubs at a good time.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: But it should be a very interesting matchup against the Brewers.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Curious to see if there are any sort of viral
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: rivalry moments, if one team separates itself, or if we
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: just kind of get more the same of these sort
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: of like one run games going going back and forth.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you should. You should absolutely be fun.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Obviously a fun series on this outside fun hopefully fun
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: set coming up here at Wrigal.
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  Speaker 2: First time.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: The Cubs are facing the Brewers this year, and the
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Brewers are not a power hitting team. But the wind
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: is blowing out, I believe, on Monday, and I think
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: we're getting some decent weather this week, so it should
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: be fun at Wrigley. All right, Thanks so much for
• 29:17
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• 29:23
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• 29:27
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