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Chino Moreno · Broken Record with Rick Rubin, Malcolm Gladwell, Bruce Headlam and Justin Richmond

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  Speaker 1: Pushkin. Chino Morino is the lead singer of Deftones, the
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  Speaker 1: Sacramento band experiencing resurgence as a new generation discovers their
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: nineties hits on social media. This year, Deftones have been
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  Speaker 1: selling out arenas while putting the finishing touches on their
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  Speaker 1: latest album, Private Music. During the recording sessions, guitarist Stephen
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  Speaker 1: Carpenter's health took a turn when he was diagnosed with
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  Speaker 1: type two diabetes. Chino stepped in to handle more of
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  Speaker 1: the guitar parts, approaching the album with newfound clarity after
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  Speaker 1: getting sober. On today's episode, Lea Rose talks with Chino
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  Speaker 1: about the band's early days living with their late bassist
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  Speaker 1: Chee Chang. He reflects on the story of their Around
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  Speaker 1: the Fur album cover, and shares his post show ritual,
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  Speaker 1: which often includes winding down with rom coms and his
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  Speaker 1: tour bus bunk. This is broken record, real musicians conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Here's Leo Rose with Gino Moreno.
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  Speaker 2: I was just listening to Private Music, and I was curious,
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  Speaker 2: Like the album starts so.
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  Speaker 3: Hard, so fast.
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  Speaker 2: It's got like that sledgy riff right off the top,
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  Speaker 2: Like how important is that first Like three seconds when
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  Speaker 2: you're sequencing the album.
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  Speaker 4: It's pretty important.
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  Speaker 5: I mean when we wrote that song, I kind of
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  Speaker 5: knew right away that that wanted that to be the
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  Speaker 5: first song on the record because I think the like
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  Speaker 5: you said, it's kind of this bombastic sort of sledge
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  Speaker 5: riff that yeah, and I loved Abes drumming on the song.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's really created what he does in the
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  Speaker 5: verses and the staccato intro as well. It's just like
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  Speaker 5: it kind of has a lot of elements that we're
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  Speaker 5: sort of known for, so it's familiar, I think in
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  Speaker 5: the beginning for the first thing to introduce the record,
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  Speaker 5: but I also think it's powerful and then the just
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  Speaker 5: you know, the song itself sort of has this like
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  Speaker 5: just great introductory phil I think too, like what's to come.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: You know what's crazy is that we we wrote the
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  Speaker 5: record in different sessions, like just getting together playing one
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  Speaker 5: we did in the desert, which was we probably wrote
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  Speaker 5: like five or six songs there, went to Shangri La,
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  Speaker 5: did another five or six songs, wrote them there, didn't
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  Speaker 5: record anything there but recorded what we were doing, but
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  Speaker 5: it wasn't.
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  Speaker 4: The actual you know, recording. We went actually after that
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  Speaker 4: we tracked it.
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  Speaker 5: So when we started tracking it, though, I already had
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  Speaker 5: a sequence in mind once we had of the songs,
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  Speaker 5: So we actually tracked the album in the sequence of
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  Speaker 5: the record, which was cool. So's that's something that I
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  Speaker 5: kind of like figured out early, Like I really had
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  Speaker 5: this mindset of like creating an album, the kind of
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  Speaker 5: that started in one place, went somewhere, and ended somewhere.
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  Speaker 4: I kind of liked that idea of doing that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, have you guys ever done like a hidden track
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  Speaker 2: or anything like that, like any like special.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we did.
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  Speaker 5: That was like real popular in the nineties, I think
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  Speaker 5: yes on CD. So we we had one on our
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  Speaker 5: second record around the fir and it was pretty funny
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  Speaker 5: because it's like it has to be a part of
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  Speaker 5: the last song on the record, so the last song
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  Speaker 5: on the record, that being like thirty something minutes long
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  Speaker 5: or whatever, because we had like there was like a
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  Speaker 5: twenty minute like break of silence. It's pretty funny we
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  Speaker 5: we had. That was back when answering machines were still
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  Speaker 5: people still had answering machines in their in their apartments
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  Speaker 5: or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: So we were staying in this apartment in Seattle.
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  Speaker 5: We were recording, and Stephan Abe and myself shared an apartment,
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  Speaker 5: so we had our answer machine and our it was
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  Speaker 5: attached also to the intercom too, so like when friends
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  Speaker 5: came over, they'd pressed the intercom to call us, and
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  Speaker 5: then they'd leave the messages from either downstairs in the
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  Speaker 5: you know, in the intercom to our our answer machine
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  Speaker 5: or if someone called whatever, but we had our greeting
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  Speaker 5: on there. Was like super funny, Like it was like
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  Speaker 5: Stephan was like taking a bong hit and like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: call us back, you know what I mean, well over night,
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  Speaker 5: but we actually took that tape and we put that
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  Speaker 5: on there so that our little message thing was on
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  Speaker 5: as part of the hidden track. And then like a
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  Speaker 5: couple of minutes later, a bonus song pops in out
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  Speaker 5: of nowhere.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that's so cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember Alanis Morissette had one of those, and
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  Speaker 2: it came in like twenty minutes after. So if like
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  Speaker 2: you left the CD on, yeah totally, just like all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden it started playing, you were like, whoa
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  Speaker 2: who is it.
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  Speaker 5: Was that on the Jagged Little Bit of album. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: that was a great record. I mean it's crazy because
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  Speaker 5: that was also Maverick Records, which was where we were
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  Speaker 5: at at the time, So our records came out pretty
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  Speaker 5: close to each other, our first record and her record.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we had a kind of a close thing with
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  Speaker 4: that record. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, that's so cool. Yeah, that was an awesome era.
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  Speaker 2: So speaking of you guys living together, I know that
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  Speaker 2: I think like right after or maybe while you were
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  Speaker 2: still in high school, you lived with Chi right.
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  Speaker 5: Yep, right out of my parents' house. I was still seventeen.
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  Speaker 5: I kind of just stopped going to school. It was
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  Speaker 5: a senior quote unquot senior the normal high school I
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  Speaker 5: went to, and ended up going to a continuation high school,
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  Speaker 5: which is like sort of just where you go and
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  Speaker 5: make up credits and whatever, still get a diploma about
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  Speaker 5: you like, you know, you just kind of do textbook work.
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  Speaker 5: There's not really teachers and they're teaching. You're just kind
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  Speaker 5: of like going through textbooks and whatever. But we started
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  Speaker 5: playing shows actually, and we started taking little trips from
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  Speaker 5: Sacramento to like Oakland and San Francisco and just like
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  Speaker 5: d outskirts of a town and playing shows. So we'd
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  Speaker 5: get back from playing shows like you know, three in
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  Speaker 5: the morning, and then like and then I would just
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  Speaker 5: like end up saying over cheese house, and then I'd
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  Speaker 5: wake up in the morning and.
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  Speaker 4: Be like, I'm not going to school today.
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  Speaker 5: Like I kind of already had my mind made up that, like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, not that I would be successful with the band,
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  Speaker 5: but like I just was like that was kind of
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  Speaker 5: like my priority. And my parents were supportive. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: they were bummed I think that I like stopped going
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  Speaker 5: to school, but they were also a little preoccupied. My
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  Speaker 5: parents were actually going through divorce at that time too,
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  Speaker 5: so it was like I kind of slipped through the
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  Speaker 5: cracks a little bit. Like normally my parents were pretty
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  Speaker 5: strict about stuff, but like they were kind of dealing
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  Speaker 5: with their own things, so like I kind of just
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  Speaker 5: like was able to do what I wanted for the
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  Speaker 5: most part, wow, and really like checking up on me
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  Speaker 5: like are.
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  Speaker 4: You doing this, are you doing that? Are you doing
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  Speaker 4: this or whatever.
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  Speaker 5: So in a way, it was kind of I guess
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  Speaker 5: I got lucky in a way because I got just
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  Speaker 5: dived deep into music as opposed to like trying to
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  Speaker 5: do school and that. Yeah, I was able to really
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  Speaker 5: like focus on music stuff. But it was weird, you
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  Speaker 5: know what I mean. It wasn't like, you know, I
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  Speaker 5: was still kind of it was a bummer, you know
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  Speaker 5: what I mean. I was like one of the only
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  Speaker 5: kids at that point. We had a lot of friends
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  Speaker 5: whose parents were divorced, like when you grow up whatever,
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  Speaker 5: and I was always so proud, like my parents are
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  Speaker 5: still married, blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 4: And then right like you know, your high school league divorce.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't like something you saw coming.
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  Speaker 4: Not really, no, no, Yeah, did.
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  Speaker 2: You guys sound like Deftones in the beginning, like when
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  Speaker 2: the band first started playing together, Like what did you
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  Speaker 2: sound like?
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  Speaker 4: I think, yeah, some of the DNAs there.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, obviously we were trying to figure out, like
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  Speaker 5: we were trying to figure out how to play our
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  Speaker 5: own instruments. I was, I was emulating a lot of
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  Speaker 5: what I liked, so like, you know, some songs, I
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  Speaker 5: would try to sound like Morrissey and sound like Danzing
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  Speaker 5: and like those things don't match. But like in a way,
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  Speaker 5: like I kind of came up with my own sound
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  Speaker 5: maybe because those things don't match.
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  Speaker 4: And I just liked what I liked and I was.
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  Speaker 5: Trying to take I was just taking influence from the
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  Speaker 5: things that I like enjoyed. Yeah, Also, like I listened
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  Speaker 5: to a lot of rap music back then, so I
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  Speaker 5: used to like to try to rap as well. And
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  Speaker 5: to me, I didn't think it was that weird to
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  Speaker 5: like put like rhythmic singing over some of the stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever.
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  Speaker 5: My lyrics weren't really like I guess rap oriented lyrics
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  Speaker 5: where I wasn't like, you know, talking about things that
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  Speaker 5: I didn't really do. But I think just the format
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  Speaker 5: of like like the Cadences and things like that like
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  Speaker 5: that were inspiring to me. So I put like all
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  Speaker 5: those things together screaming from like I loved Pantera and
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  Speaker 5: Bad Brains and and so like just I guess all
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  Speaker 5: those little elements whatever, I was just kind of you know,
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  Speaker 5: emulating maybe each one at certain points, like a little
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  Speaker 5: bit more like where you can really tell, oh, he's
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  Speaker 5: trying to do this. And I think over the time,
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  Speaker 5: I've been able to, like, I guess, find myself within
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  Speaker 5: all those things and kind of have my own voice.
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  Speaker 4: I guess, I hope.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, when did you find your voice?
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  Speaker 2: Like when do you feel like you were squarely standing
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  Speaker 2: in your own sound.
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  Speaker 5: I mean it would probably be I think definitely after
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  Speaker 5: our first record, because our first record is still hard
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  Speaker 5: for you to listen to because I can hear like
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  Speaker 5: myself not still like not being confident and not really
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  Speaker 5: knowing what.
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  Speaker 4: I was doing.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I was so nervous on our first record
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  Speaker 5: that I didn't even write a lot of lyrics, like
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  Speaker 5: a lot of it's just like freestyling syllables and whatever.
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  Speaker 5: Like and then so like if you notice, like inside
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  Speaker 5: there's not lyrics in the record, there's some scribbled notes
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  Speaker 5: of me that I wrote whatever. So there's some words
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  Speaker 5: in there, but like some of it's not because I
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  Speaker 5: was so scared to commit to like what I was
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  Speaker 5: going to say.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, just kind of like used my voice as an
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  Speaker 4: instrument more.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so that record's hard for us too because I
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  Speaker 5: can see exactly where I was whatever, just kind of
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  Speaker 5: non confident, like sort of still figuring out. Whereas maybe
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  Speaker 5: our second record, I think, you know, touring a lot
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  Speaker 5: from our first record and just like actually getting the
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  Speaker 5: opportunity to make a second record, which a lot of
• 9:32
  Speaker 5: bands don't even get that chance, right, we got to
• 9:34
  Speaker 5: signed to a pretty big label and yeah, and you know,
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  Speaker 5: we didn't sell anything close to like what Atlantis sold, right,
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  Speaker 5: so who's our label made? So like I mean honestly,
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  Speaker 5: that probably helped because I think our label was making
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  Speaker 5: so much money from Atlantis. Yeah that like they probably
• 9:50
  Speaker 5: lost a lot of money on our first record, but
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  Speaker 5: allowed us to go and make a second record.
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  Speaker 4: Reallyant honestly, did.
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  Speaker 2: You have to like show and prove at that point
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  Speaker 2: to the label, Like, was there anything that you had
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  Speaker 2: to in a way promise them that we're going to
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  Speaker 2: bring next time to make the next album do even better.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that there was early ever thatscussion, but
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  Speaker 4: I think within ourselves, I think we wanted to. I
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  Speaker 4: know I wanted to.
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  Speaker 5: I wanted to show and prove, like, wow, we can
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  Speaker 5: do so much better, because even if our first record
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  Speaker 5: was done, I knew that it wasn't as good as
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  Speaker 5: the band that we were becoming. So with the second record,
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  Speaker 5: I really think that we made a statement. I think
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  Speaker 5: it's probably still one of our strongest records to the state.
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  Speaker 5: And then after that we made the White Pony record,
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  Speaker 5: which was like a pretty big left turn to like
• 10:37
  Speaker 5: where music was sort of at that point, where like
• 10:40
  Speaker 5: a lot of new metal music what they were calling
• 10:42
  Speaker 5: it at the time, which I guess they still call
• 10:44
  Speaker 5: it that, but it was like kind of that was
• 10:46
  Speaker 5: like kind of pop like on the Raino all day long,
• 10:50
  Speaker 5: and we steered like far left of that and made
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  Speaker 5: the White Pony album. And the label wasn't actually really
• 10:57
  Speaker 5: that stoked on it because of that, but they did
• 11:01
  Speaker 5: support us a lot because they knew that it was
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  Speaker 5: still a good record. And honestly, that was probably one
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  Speaker 5: of the best decisions we ever made doing that, because
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  Speaker 5: I think it help with our longevity for sure.
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  Speaker 2: How hands on, was Madonna with a label because it
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  Speaker 2: was her label?
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  Speaker 4: Right? Yes? Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Was she involved with like the artist sound? Would she
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  Speaker 2: sort of be in like an executive producer position? Did
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  Speaker 2: you have any conversations with her, like creative conversations about
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  Speaker 2: what you were putting out?
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  Speaker 5: No, you know, no, not really, And I can only
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  Speaker 5: speak for us. Maybe she did with some other artists,
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  Speaker 5: but I mean, I remember the first time that we
• 11:36
  Speaker 5: when we very first got signed. I went to the
• 11:38
  Speaker 5: office and I didn't even know she was there. I
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  Speaker 5: went to go sit in my an r's office, the
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  Speaker 5: guy who signed his name's guy, And I was sitting
• 11:48
  Speaker 5: talking to him and like staring at like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: face to face with him. The doors behind me, and
• 11:52
  Speaker 5: the door opens and he starts talking to her. I
• 11:55
  Speaker 5: just hear a female voice and I look over and
• 11:57
  Speaker 5: I look up and it's her. And then she he's like.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, this is new artist, blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 5: And I was just freaking out because as like a
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  Speaker 5: ten year old and myself was just like.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 5: And then she ended up coming to a few of
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  Speaker 5: our shows, and like I remember one time we were
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  Speaker 5: backstage and we were about to go on stage and
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  Speaker 5: she was like looking me up and down. She's like,
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  Speaker 5: are you going to get ready? I looked down at
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  Speaker 5: my clothes. I was like, yeah, I'm ready. She's like,
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  Speaker 5: that's what you're gonna wear? And I think I just
• 12:21
  Speaker 5: had a prayer like Dicky's and a T shirt or
• 12:23
  Speaker 5: something on whatever, and she was like, that's what you're
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  Speaker 5: gonna wear, like kind of like and I.
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  Speaker 4: Was like, whoa, she's a come here.
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  Speaker 5: And then she like helped me like pulled my pants
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  Speaker 5: up a little bit, like help me fix my belt
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  Speaker 5: and whatever. And it was just like this is like
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  Speaker 5: surreal right now, But those kind of things are like,
• 12:38
  Speaker 5: you know, like like a story like until today that
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  Speaker 5: still like brings joy to me totally.
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  Speaker 2: So I was going to ask you about like back
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  Speaker 2: when we were talking about you living with Chi. Since
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  Speaker 2: you've known the guys for so long, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: you can tell a lot about a person by the
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  Speaker 2: way their bedroom is. Do you remember, like growing up,
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  Speaker 2: what people's bedrooms were.
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  Speaker 4: Like, I totally do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like Abes or Chi or.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, Abe.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, so I'll use Abe as an example because
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  Speaker 5: this is great. I went to Abe's house for the
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  Speaker 5: first time. I think we were in seven, in maybe
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  Speaker 5: eighth grade. We're in junior high school, and I go
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  Speaker 5: to his house after school A skateboard over there, and
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  Speaker 5: I go into his room and he's got a little
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  Speaker 5: tiny room. I mean it's, you know, pretty small, but
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  Speaker 5: his drum set takes up his whole room.
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  Speaker 4: And it was his dad's drum set.
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  Speaker 5: His dad passed away when he was a couple of
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  Speaker 5: years before that actually, and he was in a band.
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  Speaker 5: He inherited the drum set from him, and he had
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  Speaker 5: so his room was just the drum set. And then
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  Speaker 5: he had a little tiny like mattress on the like
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  Speaker 5: in the corner, like where he slept. I don't even
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  Speaker 5: know if it was a mattress. I want to say,
• 13:42
  Speaker 5: it was just like the blanket, started sleeping bag whatever.
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  Speaker 5: But he sacrifices like comfort. So it's like his room
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  Speaker 5: was just like his drum set. And then back then
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  Speaker 5: as when we had cassettes, so we have a whole
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  Speaker 5: wall of just like cassettes and a lot of like
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  Speaker 5: dub cassettes because that's what we used to be back
• 13:54
  Speaker 5: in the day, like dub cassettes. And then like do
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  Speaker 5: our own artwork on him whatever, So whole wall of cassettes,
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  Speaker 5: you know. So I was just enamorated by his cassette
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  Speaker 5: collecting and it's just music, like his music ruled his life,
• 14:06
  Speaker 5: so like that was his little world, right. That was
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  Speaker 5: awesome now now cheese. So we shared a bedroom when
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  Speaker 5: I moved in. It was a one bedroom apartment that
• 14:14
  Speaker 5: we lived in, and he lived in there actually with
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  Speaker 5: his girlfriend at the time. When I would go stay
• 14:18
  Speaker 5: the night over there, and then him and his girlfriend
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  Speaker 5: broke up and it could have had something to do
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  Speaker 5: with that. I was always asleep on the couch in
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  Speaker 5: the other room whatever, but she was finding like, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it's either him or me or kind of thing whatever.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, but she ended up moving out and then
• 14:32
  Speaker 5: so I moved in officially and then we both shared room,
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  Speaker 5: so we had two like twin mattresses on each side
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  Speaker 5: of the room. But our room was a fucking mess.
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, our whole apartment was. But it was like
• 14:42
  Speaker 5: college off and it was actually on the college campus
• 14:45
  Speaker 5: because he still went to school. The deal was his
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: dad would pay half the rent as long as he
• 14:50
  Speaker 5: was in school.
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  Speaker 4: So his dad paid half.
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: The rent and then she and I split the other half.
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: With the rent was so it was like the rent
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: was like nothing. It was like it was like one
• 14:57
  Speaker 5: hundred and fifty bucks a month, and it was in
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: an apartment on kind of off campus a Sex State University.
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: And I worked at the dining comments there, like the
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: where they served the kids in the dorms stay lunches
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: and dinners whatever, the dining home whatever, so.
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: You could take food.
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: Yes, so we used to like come home with food. Yeah,
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: that's how we lived. But it was mostly just like beer.
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: We just drank beer. And like she was, he's a
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: couple of years older than then the rest of us actually,
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: so so he was old enough to buy beer at
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: that point.
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: I was still young and he might not even been
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: twenty one yet.
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: But there was a store across the street that we
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: could buy beer from so like, and it was cheap beer,
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: like the cheapest beer you can buy.
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: So like.
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: Our whole balcony was just full of beer cans and
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: it was like a total like I don't know, I
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: guess what I would expect a front house to kind
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: of write. It was just like us too, And then
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: all our friends.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: Were there all the time, the hangout spot.
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: It was just the hangout spot. Yeah, but it was awesome.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: So you must have been over high school.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't know, you seemed like you were beyond
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: high school at that point, Like, I know, you're going
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: to the continuation school, but mentally, it seems like you
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: were already like graduated.
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So yeah I did. I just stopped going to school.
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: I stopped even going to the continuation school. And it
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: was probably almost towards the end of the school year anyway.
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: So I was kind of bummed that I didn't graduate.
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: My parents were bummed that I didn't graduate. But other
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: than that, I was just like, yeah, I was already.
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: Like we started playing shows, and you know, we started
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: to guard a small following even around Sacramento at the time,
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: and we practiced almost every day and we just had fun.
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: We were wrapped by the river, so we swam, like
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: all summer, we're just swimming and like, yeah, it was
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: like the time of our lives, really like making music.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and who came Did Abe come up with the
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: name deftones?
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: Stephan did? Oh?
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Stephan did yeah, And we.
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: Were going to play one of our first shows and
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: we had to buy tickets too. It was like one
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: of the things pay to play kind of thing, but
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: where we buy all the tickets and then we can
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: We bought the tickets for a dollar apiece from the
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: promoter and then we can sell them for three dollars
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: so we can make a cop books up each ticket.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: But we did end up doing that.
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: We ended up just giving away to our friends at
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: school and whatever so we can have a pact for
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: a show. And we were like, well, we need a
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: band of we're gonna play a show. So Stephan said, oh,
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: we're going to be called deaf Tones and I was
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: like okay. So then Abe wrote it on the ticket,
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: but he didn't even know how to spell it, so
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: we spelled it like me a F tone whatever. Right, Oh,
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: So we gave all the tickets away and he's like no,
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: that's not how you spell it whatever.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: So it's like deaf, like you know, like the rap.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Like yeah, like jamar or whatever.
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: Yes, So I was like okay, so like yeah, it
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: wasn't anything that was like well thought out or other
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: than just you know, Stephan said, that's the name of
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: our band.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: We said, okay, it's a great name. I mean, do
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: you like it now? I don't know. I mean it's worked.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: I guess it's like you probably can't even think of it,
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: like yeah, objective.
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: It's silly.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: I mean most band names are silly. There's a lot
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: of silly band names. But you kind of like the
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: name takes on its own thing after a while, right,
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: the music is kind of like whatever, and then you
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: don't really think so much about the name itself.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: We'll be back with more from China Moreno after the break.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Who in the band and is in charge of like
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: the aesthetics? Like is there somebody who sort of keeps
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: an eye on that or is it a collective thing?
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Like as far as the final album covers, the actual
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: font of the band name has always been super cool.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Is there one of you who is kind of like
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: that guy?
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty much the one that is like in the
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: trenches with all that stuff. But everybody he's it, you know.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: I always I never do anything without everybody at least
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: likes seeing, Hey, what do you guys think about this?
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: And then there everybody's pretty easy going and they trust me,
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: which is rad cool.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: But it's myself.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: And then there's a guy at Warner Brothers who has
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: been working with us since the White Pony album by
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: the name of Frank Maddox. So him and I like
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: get together and brainstorm and like he's really good with
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: graphic art and photography and so yeah, we just come
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: up with random stuff and then we just sort of
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: sort of start like brainstorming.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: And do you enjoy that part of it?
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: I do? I really do.
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: From everything from our T shirt designs to our like
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: our so when we play our live shows now we
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: have like these huge led screens behind us whatever, so
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: there's like different content that goes on between during the songs,
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: and then like some of it's imag which is basically
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: like the live feed of us on stage in the crowd.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: But but I've been but like we throw filters on
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: that kind of stuff whatever, and just the color palettes
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: everything like I'm just like, really, that's kind of stuff
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: is fun for.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Me to do.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen like still shots of it and there's
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: like pink like a woman's face.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Saw people on Reddit trying to figure out where those
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: images come from.
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of stuff I research and find, like
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: archive dot org is one one site that I've been
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: going on for years and years, and it's just like
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: all this like old archival footage of stuff whatever, some
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: old movies like I like to find like old like
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: rare you know stuff, And yeah, imagery and like sonics
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: like those two things to me, Like, I love marrying
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: those things together, whether it's like I mean, when I
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: listened to music a lot of times, I'll see images
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: and vice versa. I'll like look at the image sometimes
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: and I'll kind of hear music. So really marrying those
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: two things is always fun.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: And you've done some scoring recently, right, some movie scoring
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: or show scoring.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: I've done some of it. Some I did, like this
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: Hulu thing once I've done. Yeah, but it's something that
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: I want to do more of. I haven't done anything recently,
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: but I love I'm really into soundscapes and Yeah.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: That seems like something that you'd be really really good at.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: It still takes I mean, you have to know what
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: you're doing. It's hard.
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: Like coming up with the ideas, to me, that's the
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: easy part, but like actually doing it. I like, I
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: definitely help with that kind of the technical side of things.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: And then again it's like musically, I'm not trained professionally.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: I don't stand theory. I understand some. I'm trying to
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: learn more. But that's kind of been my goal lately actually,
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: as especially as I get older, is just working on piano,
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: playing piano, taking less and playing guitar, learning chords, tunings, everything.
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: Just that's kind of where I find fun now. Yeah,
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: learning stuff like that.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I heard Steffan saying that, I guess while making private
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: music he he has type two diabetes and he started
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: talking about it. But because of the illness, you had
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: to do more of the guitar parts.
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, and honestly, it's crazy because I didn't
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: I knew something. We all knew that something was going
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: on with him at the time.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: Whatever.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: He was like very lethargic, Like during the writing sessions
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: where he was there, he was present, but he was
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: just like he just seemed run down, and like we'd
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: start working on stuff and he'd kind of come in
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: and he'd like, he just seemed like very slow. And
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: it was hard sometimes because I would take it as like,
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: like we got in a couple of arguments a couple
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: of times where I was like, dude, look, what's wrong
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: with you? Do you like not want to be here?
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: Like I would just ask him, and then you get
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: mad at me. You're like, what are you talking about?
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: And I'd be like, how could you ask me if
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: I want to be here? I'm here, and I'm like, yeah,
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: I know you're here, but like you don't seem interested
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: in what's going on. He's like, and he would get
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: mad at me for asking that, but everybody else was
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: thinking it, but no one else was asking this, So
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: then he'd get mad at me for like confronting him
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: about it. But we soon realized that, man, maybe something's
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: going off to health. And then we were playing Coachella
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: maybe I don't know, a few months after that after
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: that one of those sessions and and we got a
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: stage and he just like came up to all of
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: us and he was like, you guys, I'm really sorry that,
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: Like I played so bad, and honestly, I didn't really
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: realize it. I noticed that he was a little sloppier
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: than usual, but he was like, yo, he's like I
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: was like having a heart standing up. He's like in
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: my my hand wasn't like doing what, wasn't like responding
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: to like playing these songs.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: And so I was like, yo, I was like, you
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: need to go figure out what's going on with you.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: And he's been one of those people who I've always
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: tried to self diagnose himself, like our golf YouTube and
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: like be like, oh, well, this is what's wrong with me.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, dude, no, you need to go to
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: the doctor. And no one really likes to go to
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: the doctor. I get it, right. It's like, you know,
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: sometimes it's like scary, right, especially if you feel like
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: something's wrong with you.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: You don't want to hear do you know what I mean?
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: But you you gotta know, right.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: So, so eventually he faced up and he went and
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: then like and then I just like you just watched
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: his whole like he just changes, like once he knew
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: what was wrong with him, then he was like okay,
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: and then he started to figure out the tools of
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: it to deal with it. And now he's like he's
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: an obsessive person where it's like anything he gets to do,
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: whether it's like anything, just like he gets into he
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: gets obsessed with it.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: So like how it's his health that he's obsessed with.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: So, like we share a bus together and he every
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: night he's just like he's like, has this like his.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: Sugar mon like thing on.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: He's just like, look numbers and he's like, oh, look
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: at my thing is spike here and it's blah blah blah,
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: and I know so if I eat this, if I
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: you know, and this whatever. So he's just like he's
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: excited about it, and so like I just engage with
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: him about it, and it's like I'm just seeing him
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: like his like life come back into him, like physically
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: and mentally. Like he's just like awakening because he you know,
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: it's a it's a real positive thing that I'm happy with.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: But that's awesome.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: Back to what we were saying about as far as
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: the writing stuff, so like during that time, I didn't
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: realize that I was doing that. It was more or
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: less like Okay, well we're here and we're just going
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: to keep busy. So if he wasn't engaging. I would
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: just be like, Okay, here's an idea, kamany, let's go
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: boo boo boom, and then we'd just start working on stuff.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: But before you knew it, we had like almost the
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: albums worth the material that where a lot of it.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: He didn't spearhead because of what he was going through whatever.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: So so in hindsight, yes, there was a lot more
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: I think where I picked up the slack on whatever.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: But I enjoyed doing it too.
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: I mean, I love writing music and I love playing
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: with Abe and the other guy. So and it wasn't
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: like a thing where I wasn't mad about it and
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: he wasn't. Now I mean I obvious see it took
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: him a while because he was I think before he
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: knew what was going on and whatever, he was like
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: and he's always going to maybe have been away where
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: he's never really told me that. But it was weird
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: when we did the Zanelow interview. He in the middle
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: of the interview, he's like, I just want to say that,
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: you know, Gino like really stepped up and he really
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: like came through and blah blah, and he's like and
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: that was the first time he ever like like complimented
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: me or like our knowledge that, like you know, all
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: the hard work that I put into the to the
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: writing and stuff like that whatever. So like like I
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: kind of got like a little you know, teared up
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: a little bit. I mean funny the camera panned away
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: from you because you can't see, but I'm there with
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: my mouth open, just like whoa, like thank you for
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: technowledging that.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Oh that's so sweet?
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: Right, yeah, I mean I was just it was it
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: was like a you know, sentimental moment between friends.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a cool interview.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: I liked.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: That was just cool seeing you all together when you're
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: in the studio, are you sort of I don't know
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: if you saw the Beatles Get Back documentary, Oh yeah great.
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: It was long, but it was like worth watching, especially
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: if you're a musician. Like watching how they work and
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: their dynamic between the guys, it was like.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: It turned them into real people for me, Like I
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: didn't think of them as real people. It's like I
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: understood their personalities and how they worked together and I
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: had no idea, Like seeing Paul's roll, how he stepped
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: up and he totally was like the task master and
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: he's like the band leader.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: It's Orecm there like like George and they're just like
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: showing his rifts and stuff too, and you're just yeah, WHOA,
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: Like I don't know, I just love watching it because
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: it's it's pretty funny because like most bands are the same,
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: Like we all like there's so many cliches, like we
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: all do the same shit, and like relationship wise, and
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: like the kind of fight for you know this like
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: underlying fight for like you know, who's kind of steering
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: the ship sometimes, right, yes, And there's like with the
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: Beatles especially, there's like there's a lot of great songwriting
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: amongst all of them individually, right, So it's like how
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: they made that work and how like you got to
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: pick your battles and then you have to sometimes like
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: not say what you're thinking and then sometimes also like
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: tiptoe around certain things because as you know, that might
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: trigger somebody or this or that whatever. Try to get
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: your ideas heard, but like not take you know, not
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: dictate what everybody should be doing. Let people come up
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: with their own parts. And it's a part of being
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: in a band. It's like you know, it's like, yeah,
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: it's definitely like psychological like work.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, but I was thinking about that,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: like picturing you now in the sessions for this new album,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Like are you sort of like the Paul McCartney of
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: the group. I don't know about that, Like as far
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: as you're like getting everybody in order, like organizing the chaos.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess so.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, we have a producer there that, especially with
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: this with this record, Nick Rasky Lenox, who did this record.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: He also did a couple of workers.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: But one of the main reasons why aside from him
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: being a great producer, but one of the main reasons
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: for hiring him for this, for this record specifically, was
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: for him to take on that role, you know, kind
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: of take some of that off my plate, because you know,
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: as much the band does trust me on certain things whatever,
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: I still don't want to be the person that that's
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: always kind of dictating like where we're going, what we're doing,
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: and Okay, we're working on this song now or whatever,
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: blah blah, and a lot of times they just like
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: when we even were at sound checks, like Okay, what song
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: are we playing, I'm.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: Like, I don't know what song you want to play?
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: Like like I don't don't ask me all the time, right,
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: I don't want to and I don't get mad about it,
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: but it's just like, but it is very helpful to
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: have someone else there in the room that sort of
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: can just like be the sort of ring leader, right,
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: and I can just work on my part.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean I think especially.
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: To like I've had like three years of sobriety and
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: just like a very clear minded now and focus, so
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: like it feels natural for me sometimes to like make
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: an order of things and like kind of keep track
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: of what's going on whatever. Like my memory is like
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: really crisp right now, you know what I mean. Sharp,
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: And so I'm able to remember things really well. And
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: like if I'm working with a a drum part whatever,
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: like like I can like literally like three minutes ago
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: you played this, but whatever, blah blah, and He'll be
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: like and I'll remember, you know things like or maybe
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: you know five years ago I would have not remembered.
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: So it's cool to use those things, right, especially when
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: we're working in work mode.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. And it keeps you it keeps you sharp.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, that kind of stuff is just important for
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: overall health, for brain.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: Health as we get older, totally.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: You know, now that you're sober, you strike me as
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: someone who's sort of romantic and dreamy and emotional. And
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm just saying that because of
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: the type of music I know that you were into
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: as a kid, But.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: That's actually a lot of it. I mean honestly.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm just like a sucker for like all
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: the stuff that I loved when I was a teenager. Yeah,
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: and I still like look back to that time in
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: my life as being like I can smell you know,
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: what the air was like and what like. I'm just
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: like really in tune with that time of my life
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: and I reflect upon that time of my life a lot.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: And you know what's when I fell in love with music.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: That's when I love That's probably one of the first
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: times I had a crush or this or that whatever.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: All those things are like really like milestones of like
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: the human experience, So like I always draw from that.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Would it help you with the substances to like get
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: deeper into those feelings or can you still go there now?
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Being sober?
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: Well, you know what I thought, I was like a
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: big lie. I think I kind of fooled myself into
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: believing that it was right. But yeah, but just created
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: being creative in general, Like you soon figure out that like, yeah,
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: I didn't need all that. I mean, not that I
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: didn't make good music, like you know, being altered here
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: and there, but and a lot of great music has
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: been made that way or with being influenced by mine,
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: altering substance whatever, but the fact that you know, you
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: go through your whole life because I was pretty much
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: since high school, I've been you know, like I was
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: telling her, really just drinking beers and whatever. I never
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: made music, you know, without that. So it was scary
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: at first, right to think can I do this? Is
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: it possible? And then once you do it, you're like.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: Oh, of course it is, and yeah that's good.
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: All the clarity like I was talking about earlier comes
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: along and then it's like, oh well, I'm even like
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: I can do this, and I can do this, and
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: you just start to get it's it's everything's more in focus,
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: and then you can make sense of things a lot easier.
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: And but yeah, I mean I still get lost though, too.
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: I got I get I get lost in a good
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: melody and a good you know story. I mean, I
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: watch rom coms. That's that's one thing I do still
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: like on the bus every night when I go whatever.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: I just like like romantic stories too.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: What's the last rom com you've seen that's really good?
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: I mean I like dumb movies too, I like h
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: like Proposal stuff like that. Like I love some j
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: Lo movies. I love Yeah and Hathaway movies. I'll watch
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: like all this like I don't know, yeah, I don't
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: know why. I just like like those movies. I kind
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: of like like turn off part of my brain. I
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: guess whatever, and just like I don't know.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, I want to ask you because I I know,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: like as when you were a kid growing up, it
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: seems like with the band, you all of a sudden
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: just made the jump and became a singer. Did you
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: sing at all as a kid? Like were you inquire?
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Were you like singing around the house, Like was it unexpected?
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Like were your parents surprised at all of a sudden
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: you were a singer in a band?
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: I think so, yeah, especially because I was shy too,
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: like pretty shy when I was young, So like I
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: would sing along to records, but just to myself, right,
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: not in front of people. So it was kind of
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: out of nowhere, and really I wanted to I wanted
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: to play the drums. To me, that seemed like the
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: funnest thing ever, just like bang on these drums. I
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: really loved rhythm that I still do. But yeah, I
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: met Ad when I was in junior high school and
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: he was already like a brilliant drummer, like you know.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: At twelve years older. I don't know what you were.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: So so I needed to find something to do if
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: I wanted to be in the band with everybody. So yeah,
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: Stephan actually he's the one who's like, oh, You're gonna
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: be the singer and I was like okay, and he
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: said he actually said that, He's like I heard you.
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: How are you singing along with Danzig record or something whatever?
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: Before he day you could sing? And I was like
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: like like yeah, I was like okay. So it was
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: like kind of cool that, like, you know, he made
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: me believe that I could sing, and I really couldn't.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, it was really like trial by error a
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: lot of it, you know, And it's kind of still is.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: I mean, I still don't really know what I'm doing.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: I just kind of I don't know, I guess just
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: figured out as I'm going still to this day.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Have you ever taken any lessons, like vocal lessons or
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: anything like that.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: I did try at one point, and it was it
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: was it was just super awkward. I probably should have
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: stuck with it, but I but it was most things
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: where like I didn't like the and maybe it was
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: the teacher because like, you know, just probably like therapy,
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: it's like, you know, you have one bad experience and
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: then you can't say that it's all bad.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: Maybe it was just the actual thing, but it was
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: like it just felt really awkward to me. It was
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: like it's like they were trying to teach me how
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: to sing a certain way that just didn't feel like
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: natural to me. Yeah, I've always sort of just just
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: respond did, like sonically to what the music is kind
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: of you know, dishing out of me, and this is
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: what I'm w I'm responding with this sound. So like
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: if I was thinking too hard about it, I'd be like, well,
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: this doesn't even it's not even fun. It doesn't I
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: don't feel like I'm I'm naturally wanting to do. So
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: that was my excuse for not going back whatever, But
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: I'm sure there are techniques that I should.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: Probably not not too old to learn. I mean I
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: did take from that.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: I did take a lot of these like kind of
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: warm up exercises and things like that that are important
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: that I still use.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: What do you do to protect your voice?
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: I know at one point you had like some serious
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: vocal issues just from screaming on stage, Like, well.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: It could be transparent.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: I think it was some scream but a lot of
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: just like living wild too, like you know, drugs and
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: alcohol and whatever and like not sleeping and you know,
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: and so I think I just liked whatever. But I've
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: noticed like the biggest thing for me is like proper sleep,
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: lots of fluids. I drink a lot of water, tea,
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: And there's really nothing I can do as far as
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: because I do scream and I do sing, and I
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: do it straight for you know, an hour and a
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: half two hours, you know, at night, and physically like
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: you have to rest. So it's like that's the main thing.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: It's like after the show, I'm usually quiet. I usually
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: go on the bus and I don't talk much. Yeah,
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: And I'm really like I really love getting good I sleep.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: And now that I don't drink, like I sleep really well,
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: and so yeah, waking up and feeling invigorated and then
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: kind of just like you know, do a little little
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: warm up.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: I warm up in the shower.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: What do you do to sort of like get yourself
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: in the headspace and just like physically get ready to
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: be on stage and just to give all that energy.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So music is always something that's like like gears
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: me up. So I listen.
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: I listen to music, and then I also make playlists
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: every day, which is really fun. So there's like a
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: thirty five minute time where they change over from the
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: band before us to when we go on. So so
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: I make a thirty five minute playlist that plays in
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: my dressing room, but it also plays in the in
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: the venue, and so the crowd here is what I'm
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: hearing backstage.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Oh that's cool.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: It's kind of neat because I kind of feel like
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: it maybe puts us all in the same sort of
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: frame of mind before like the show show totally it
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: and it changes.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: It's always like a pretty wild mix of stuff whatever.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: But they tell me like three two one play, I'll
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: play it in my dressing room and it'll be playing
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: in the in the venue. And then I get in
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: the shower. Right then, the shower sort of just like
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: regenerates me. I think a little bit the steam helped
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: with my voice. Yeah, and then I get dressed, brush
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: my teeth, and then I'll do maybe I'll do some
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: push ups or whatever. I have a little rolling a
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: pham roller.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, stretch on that nice.
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, just kind of maybe some jumping jacks and just
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: kind of like hide myself up. That's pretty much it.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: And then what do you do when you get off stage?
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Like how do you come down?
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: Same thing?
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: Shower right away. I think the shower in vigorates before
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: the show. And then obviously when I got stage, I'm
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: soaking wet. Usually just get in the shower and then
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: you know, put on dry clothes. And usually they bring
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: me food in because I don't eat usually like I
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: don't know, four to five hours before we go on stage,
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: because that's weird. But I'm never hungry when I get
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: off stage too, So yeah, get me fooded, and I'm
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: always just like just take it to the bus. I'll
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: eat it later. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, but
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: but yeah, I usually call home and check in and
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: then I've been going to pretty much straight you know,
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: to the bus. I'm pretty boring, man, I don't like
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: it's not as crazy as at least it was at
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: one time, right, Yeah. I don't drink anymore, so it's like,
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: you know, I don't have the need to like go
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: out and socialize too much.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, Are you like peopled out at that point? Like
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: do you want to be by yourself?
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: Kind of?
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: I mean I really do enjoy like the silence of
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: just like you know, being on the bus and it's
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: just on our bus now it's just myself stuff and
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: then our assistant and our photographer, so it's just four
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: of us on there.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: So it's really quiet.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, watch movies, play video games, kind of just really
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: really relax.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: When you call home and you talk to family, Like
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: if you talk to your wife or whatever, like do
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: you tell her about the show or do you just
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: talk about regular stuff?
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean she always asked me how was your show?
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: And like, my it's like, you know, when somebody ask
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: how are you always say oh, fine, you know, at
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: the show, whether there's stuff going on, I always.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: Just say, oh it was fine. Yeah. I won't get
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: into too many details of it. The show's happened.
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: Great, But but you know, sometimes there'll be a little
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: like an audio thing or something will go haywire. Like
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: last night we were playing a show and there's a
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: few songs that I played guitar on that I use
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: the RF mic on, and it wasn't turned on, so
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: like the first verse, I'm like singing into it, and
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, there's nothing coming out of this. So
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: that you know, Tech runs on stage and he goes
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: and he like turns the mic on. Okay, there you go.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: It wasn't turned on, but so like.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: It's like, come on, dude, one oh one, yeah, turn
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: it on.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: It's one of the things where like I think years
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: and years ago, I probably would have like lost it,
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: you know, where Yeah, I think my patience is like
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: a little better these days where I'm just like, Okay,
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: shit happens, and and uh just laugh it off, and
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: you know, I think people understand. I think I think
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: probably back in the day, I would have like maybe
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: felt embarrassed or like just Matt exactly like that's one
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: on one, What the hell I got mad about it? Whatever,
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: But it's like it's a mistake, and yeah, it was
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: like the first half of the verse was.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Not there, but yeah, and it's probably like so loud
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: in there anyway, Like maybe people don't really notice, you know,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Oh I.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: Think they realized. Oh really yeah, yeah, I think they
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: definitely realized.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's part of the live experience though. It's
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: nice to see, like, you know, bloopers and stuff like.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: That that we don't you know, use playback. How about that?
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Well, let's break when we're back with Lea Rose's conversation
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: with Gina Moreno.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Going back to the Deftones album covers, what are your
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: would you say or your top five favorite album covers
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: from Deaftones?
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: From Deaftones, I like the Quino Yo Kan cover, which
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: is a photo taken by the the artist Futura.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Oh wow.
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was like he we had talked with him
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: about designing an album cover for us, and then we
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: did a couple of different things, but ended up just
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: gravitating towards this photo of his, which was like he
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: took it in this hotel somewhere in China or something.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: But the picture itself, like you can't really tell. It
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: almost looks like outer space.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: It's just like it's really like you got there at
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: it whatever and kind of figure out what if it's
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: the actual place and it's like I think it's a
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: view through this class through towards the elevator or something.
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: But I just it looks kind of otherworldly and and
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: it's just like it's pretty and I like that cover
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: a lot.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: What else? What are the album cover do? I like?
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: What about around the fur Man?
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: Honestly, like.
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: Now I can appreciate it whatever, but like you know,
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: and it's so weird that like even like as far
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: as like our merchandise goes, like that T shirt with
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: that album cover on it, like it is like one
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: of the biggest sellers, like so many, but it's such
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: a random photo and it makes no sense at all.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: And it was, honestly just like we were our photographer.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: The guy who was doing all our photos for that record,
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: this guy named Rick Cassick, and he was from this
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: magazine big brother from It was a skate magazine, and
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: he and they ended up going out to do like
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: Jackass and all that stuff whatever.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: So he's like in all the Jackasses stuff like that.
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: But he was like the videographer photographer, and he was
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: a good friend of ours, and he came to Seattle
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: when we were recording that record, and he took all
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: the a bunch of photos of us and then just
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: photos of us hanging out like outside of the studio.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: So that record we were like all like twenty two,
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: maybe we were still pretty young, and like when I
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: look back at that record, it was like I don't
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: remember hardly any of actually like recording the record, I
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: remember everything.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: Outside of it, Like just like we were just like wild, like.
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: Out every night, partying, driving around, listening to the roughs
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: from the day and like that album cover was like
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: after the we had like this jacuzzi at our apartment,
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: the same one that were me and Haven and stuff,
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: and we have the answer machine. Think there was a yeah,
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: a hot tub downstairs.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: Whatever.
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: So every night we'd like, you know, after at the
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: end of the night, after all our bar happened, we'd
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: go with everybody we'd meet from the bar, let's go
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: back to our players.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: We're gonna gota.
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: And that photo was just like from a random night
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: there or whatever, and it was like it got mixed
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: in with all the other photos from the thing. So
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: when they came and spreading all the photos out for
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: the album cover, that picture was there and like it
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: was literally just like everybody pointed at that one.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: It's such a cool photo.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's very nineties too, so nineties, so
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: it like really represents that time. It's kind of funny.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Do you know who that girl is?
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: I mean kind of she was.
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: She was a friend who we befriended while we were
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: there in Seattle, and I did see a thing the
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: other day.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: It was cool that she was.
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: They showed like you know then and now, so it
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: was her Like now, she's probably our age now too,
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: like you know, maybe late forties, early fifties, and she's
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: holding up the album cover and she's like smiling, this
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: is me, you know what I mean? Whatever when she
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: when she was young as well, but who knew, right,
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: It's like that like even when she was asked, hey,
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: we want to use this for the album cover, but
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: then thinking that like thirty something years later whenever, whatever,
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: it is that like that would be such an iconic
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: photo with like T shirts and all these like teenagers
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: now wearing that picture on their T shirt.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: It is very nineties. That's such a good call.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Like it's kind of like has like that kids like
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: the movie Kids that asthetic or even like pre American apparel.
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: Totally, and it has but like like the fish eye
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: kind of lens of fact whatever. So it's like, you know,
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: it's very like kind of like Beastie Boys. He kind
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: of like go to like nineties kind of like.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Flair, do you ever think back on those times,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: like the debaucherous times are just like, oh my god,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: I can't believe I survived that.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: Totally. I had a lot of good time. I mean
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: we had fun. Yeah, we were kids. We were probably
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: doing what we should have been doing, right. I mean,
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: for the most point, we were like in a rock band,
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: like you know, touring the world, like going places and
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: doing different things like all out like walking the streets
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: Paris or whatever at three o'clock in the morning, going
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: into you know, different bars and meeting random people.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: And doing whatever.
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: Was like yeah, I mean like you know, let's have fun.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: And it was my youth and whatever. But uh, you know,
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: at some point, yeah, it's like I realized that I'm
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: not once people that can just like just like have
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: a little bit of fun and then just like you know,
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: go to sleep, Like.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: I just like I'm having fun, Let's keep going.
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: And that's I think what like the definition of like
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: someone who's an alcoholic, right, So I had to learn
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: that I don't denounce like a. I think a is
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: great for people who especially works for I don't do it,
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: but I don't live under the pretense of that, like
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: you know, I'll never have a drink again either. I
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: think that's kind of helped me stay sober too, is
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: because like I don't feel like, oh my god, I'm
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: never gonna have a drinking Like I honestly like want
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: to be in my seventies sitting on my porch, you know,
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: as an older man drinking a beer, petting my dog
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: or whatever.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: Like I can foresee that at some point in my future.
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: But I just like, like, right now where I'm at, I
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: feel good. I'm on tour, I'm out here, like I
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: like doing this sober. I like this part of life
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: and doing it. But so I don't look at it
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: as like and I'll be all thing and you know whatever,
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: this and that whatever. But I just know it works
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: now and I feel good, so I'm just gonna keep
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: doing it.
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense. Living through what you've lived through,
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: experience what you've experienced.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: As a father, were you like extra protective because you
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: know what's out there, or were you sort of like
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: let your kids experience things the way that you experience things.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, luckily that my kids haven't tested
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: me that bad. I mean, I have good kids. I'm
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: so lucky for that, especially my two older sons, who
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: you know, they like, you know, and everyone.
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: If you talk about like like the parts that I
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: was probably that I'm probably ashamed about now is whatever
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: is like you know, when my kids were coming of age,
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: like when I used to live in Soccer, when I
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: used to have like a I had a bar in
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: Myles had a tiki bar downstairs, which was awesome.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: I loved it. Yeah, but it was.
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: Like, you know, every night, like my friends would be
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: there playing records, you know, sitting at the bar just
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: drink or whatever, and my kids would be upstairs, you know,
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: and I would like, you know, what do you guys
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: want for dinner?
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: We want Chinese food? Okay, I order them Chinese food.
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: They want a new video game, Just buy a new
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: video game kind of whatever, and they just kind of
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: like you know, spent a lot of hours like on
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: their own, just like you know, doing the same thing
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: as I like upstairs, hanging out with their friends, playing
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: video games, eating, you know, whatever they wanted and whatever.
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: And now in retrospect, it's being like, man, it's like
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: and I was busy with my friends downstairs, you know,
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: still like living like I was on tour kind of thing.
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: So now in retrospect, I can't get those times back
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: with my kids when they were at a certain age
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: where I wish I had spent more time with them, right.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: But you were young though, when you've I watched it.
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: I mean when I was twenty years old, when my
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: son was personal was more so I was pretty young myself. Yeah,
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: but even in spite of that, like, I'm so lucky
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: that my kids like have grown up and have been
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: very responsible and are like upstanding sins and you know,
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: they they work and they they hustle still and they
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: don't expect like you know, just they're good. They're a
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: good hearted kid. And yeah, my daughter is super smart.
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: She's like she she's in college and she she's in college. Yeah,
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: she's she's a junior in Calle. She's going to be
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: twenty one next month. Too, So like, oh, now they're gone,
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: you know, because everybody's like, oh, you're empty nests. I'm like,
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: Nicks do all dogs like you can't. I can't just
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: do whatever I want whenever I want. Like, the dogs
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: are like a lot.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: How many dogs you have?
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: So I have two, you know, little pugs and their
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: rescues and they're they're they're awesome. But yeah, they're like
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: a lot of work in there. But I love it.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: Maybe deep down I don't want to be an empty nester.
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: I think that I have something to be responsible for,
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: like all the time. It's like something that I need.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, have you guys started working on the next album yet?
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: Oh? I don't know.
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: No, I don't really I feel I mean the record
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: just came out like three weeks ago, two weeks ago.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, sometimes there's like stuff left over, and no.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: We do. We do have some luck.
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: And my idea would be maybe if there's like a
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: soundtrack opportunity or something like that, I think it'd be
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: fun to go back and finish those things up, if
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: for a specific thing or something like that. But but
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: as far as I going in to make like a
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: complete new record, I mean that's like at the long process. Yeah, yeah,
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: I'm going to enjoy, like, yeah, just like not doing
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: music and playing I started playing video games again, which
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: is kind of Yeah. I didn't allow myself to play
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: video games while I was working on music because I
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: just feel like, if I have time to do this,
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: I should definitely have time.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: To do it. My job is, so what games do
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: you play right now? I'm just I'm playing these Star Wars.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: Like there's this platform game Falling Order. I think it's
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: about for a while.
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: There's a new one now that I but I want
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: to play the beat the first one first.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: So it's just kind of like an adventure game. You going.
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: There's like puzzles and stuff and I got to figure out,
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: which is kind of cool because I feel like I'm
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: still using my brain and figuring out.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: But at the same time, it's like I'm just like
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: getting to be a little kidding in and just like it's
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: not music. As much as I love doing music, sometimes
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: it's like it's kind of healthy, I think, to like
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: do something.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: That's not music.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: I was watching an old interview with you, I think
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: it was from ninety eight, and it was from some
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: like Dutch TV show.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Anyway, you were in a.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Pool hall and you were talking about the thing that
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: was most important to you was that the band had longevity,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: and you were like, you didn't care about the sound
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: or the genre that you were placed in. The only
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: thing that was important was longevity. And I was thinking,
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, so you achieved it, Like here you are.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: How many years later it's twenty twenty five and you
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: guys are bigger than ever. Does that feel like a
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: miracle in your mind? Or does it feel like it
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: was written? Like no, wonder.
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: It definitely feels I don't know, a mirror. It's crazy
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: to think about it, really is. I mean, it all
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: happened so gradual, though, I mean obviously a lot more
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: happened over the last few years kind of without our doing,
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: you know, But like our career itself, like we were
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: never like one day just kind of going and the
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: next day we were the biggest band in the world.
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: We've always started gradually growing as a band. Yes, we've
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: had some like lulls in our career, for sure, But
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: to look in retrospect now, for sure, it's like whoa Like,
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: you know, last night we're playing a soult out arena
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: and I'm looking out there and everybody's holding up their
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: camera lights, are their their phone lights whatever, And just
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: I'm like mesmerized by how many because you really get
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: to notice when they do that, like how many people
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: are up yeah, two hundred yards away, like you know,
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: in a top back seat at a concert. And it's
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: just like this is insane and seeing the demographic could
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: be all over the board, across the board, parents and
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: their kids and you know, so no, even if I
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: did say that back then, I definitely didn't expect it
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: to go to fruition.
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: So I'm like bugged out by it for sure.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: It's awesome though, Yeah, awesome.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for doing this. I appreciate it.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Thank you, and have fun tonight at the show that's talking.
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