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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 1-20-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 3: Chase is gonna swing by today. Jonathan Tavernari will be
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  Speaker 3: our Red and Blue guest, and then Jeff Schwartz to
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  Speaker 3: recap a college football season that is now totally complete
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  Speaker 3: in the books, all said and done, and the Indiana.
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  Speaker 2: Who Who Who's shows are your national champions. Who a
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  Speaker 2: sentence we never thought we would utter on air or
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  Speaker 2: anywhere else. Indiana football reigned supreme in the land. Are
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  Speaker 2: we serious? Now? This is this is bananas.
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  Speaker 3: It's truly something I never thought we would hear or
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  Speaker 3: see happen in the world of college football. We've had
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  Speaker 3: some surprise and some cinderellas, and some people be successful
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  Speaker 3: in the college basketball space.
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  Speaker 2: We have never.
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  Speaker 3: We have never experienced a story like this in college football.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think we ever will again, because there's no
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  Speaker 3: possibility for us to experience that again with the losingest
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  Speaker 3: program of all time from just a couple of seasons ago.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, they shed that Moniker just this year in November,
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  Speaker 3: just last year, in November twenty five, in November this season,
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  Speaker 3: this season, and.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody else can do that. Nobody else can make the
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  Speaker 2: complete turnaround from losingest ever to national champion.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I suppose Northwestern could. They're now the losingest.
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  Speaker 2: They could be frogged back.
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  Speaker 3: But Indiana and Northwestern just just switched.
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  Speaker 2: Year after year, trading off. Now you're the losingest again.
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  Speaker 4: Now you're I don't but Northwestern isn't like Indiana where
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  Speaker 4: it's like you're only known for being good at one
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  Speaker 4: particular sport and it's not the one that you just
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  Speaker 4: you just show that you're the best at right Northway.
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  Speaker 4: So I feel like Indiana is unique even in that,
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  Speaker 4: even if that were to happen.
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  Speaker 3: The Indiana Hoosiers win a national championship and they cap
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  Speaker 3: off the the most story. But not only is it
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  Speaker 3: something that stands alone by itself for serious examination as
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  Speaker 3: perhaps the best college football season ever and it is
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  Speaker 3: undoubtedly the best turnaround story in college sports and maybe
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  Speaker 3: all sports that we've witnessed in our lifetime, but the
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  Speaker 3: individual nature, the personalized nature, the storylines of the fact
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  Speaker 3: that Fernando Mendoza did this at a stadium he had
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  Speaker 3: grown up going to watching a team that didn't want
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  Speaker 3: him coming.
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  Speaker 2: Out of high school.
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  Speaker 3: His dad, his dad was a high school teammate of
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  Speaker 3: Mark Crystabal. They've done a great job of publicizing all
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  Speaker 3: this stuff. Imagine being Mario Cristibal right now, and you're like,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't even let my old high school buddy's son
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  Speaker 3: walk on to my team, and now I'm wallowing in
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  Speaker 3: the grief of losing to that same person who's from
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  Speaker 3: three miles away from here in a national championship.
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  Speaker 2: That kid's got a Heisman Trophy.
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  Speaker 3: That kid's got all the endorsement deals he ever wants
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  Speaker 3: for the rest of his life in the state of Indiana.
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  Speaker 3: That kid's got an NFL future and a national championship.
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  Speaker 3: And look, it's not a direct translation of if he'd
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  Speaker 3: gone to Miami, he would a national championship for Miami.
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  Speaker 2: But still, the fact that that story arc was just
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  Speaker 2: so fictional almost it's Rudy times one hundred because Rudy
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  Speaker 2: didn't win a national championship.
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  Speaker 3: Rudy was the reason Rudy. Rudy is not a Heisman Trophy.
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  Speaker 3: Victor Notre Dame didn't want Rudy. He stuck it out
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  Speaker 3: until they're like fine, and all of his former college
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  Speaker 3: teammates just like, yeah, it didn't really go down like that,
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  Speaker 3: and people actually really don't like that guy.
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  Speaker 4: The jersey, the jersey on the coach's desk scene didn't happen.
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  Speaker 3: Well, when Joe Montana comes out and says that didn't happen,
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  Speaker 3: that's a little bit of a stab to the old
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  Speaker 3: Samwise Gamgee hearts Sean Aston. Great movie, Well done, sir,
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  Speaker 3: highly fictionalized account. You couldn't script it any better. For Indiana, honestly,
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  Speaker 3: a kid who grew up in the shadow of the
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  Speaker 3: stadium Christopher Columbus High School, which.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, how cool was this? They showed it
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  Speaker 2: during the broadcast last night. Christopher Columbus High School had
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  Speaker 2: like a watch party going on out on their football field.
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  Speaker 2: They had like a VIP section set up.
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  Speaker 3: They had tea and all these things and loungers, recliners,
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  Speaker 3: little tables, snacks on the football field to watch the
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  Speaker 3: National championship game. They were going to be winners no
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  Speaker 3: matter what, because either Miami wins their hometown team and
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  Speaker 3: the Alba mater of their head football coach and several
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  Speaker 3: other people Alex Mierbal, their offensive line coach, et cetera,
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  Speaker 3: or Indiana wins and the guy who was just there
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  Speaker 3: four years ago, your dude, Fernanda Mendoza. Now you're celebrating
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  Speaker 3: his championship. So for Christopher Columbus High School, it is
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  Speaker 3: a win win and they don't have class today. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: they let him take another day off mlkday, take.
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  Speaker 2: The day off today because they were so focused on
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  Speaker 2: I mean, everyone's going to be partying.
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  Speaker 4: Or hold on was the loophole that they didn't recognize Mlkday.
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  Speaker 4: They had classes yesterday and then they.
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  Speaker 3: Had There's absolutely no shot, that's no way that's how
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  Speaker 3: that happened. Right, Let's just well, we'll do the holiday
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  Speaker 3: Tuesday instead of Monday.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Also, by the way, the entire state of Indiana no
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  Speaker 3: class today, no class yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: As in, like what you were talking about with the
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  Speaker 4: high school basketball games getting canceled. You're talking high school
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  Speaker 4: high schools across the state.
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  Speaker 2: They're just like, you know what, this is not going
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  Speaker 2: to happen again, but it might next year.
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  Speaker 4: Football state Indiana.
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  Speaker 3: Indiana is now a football state after being a basketball state.
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  Speaker 2: As long as you and I and your grandparents and
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  Speaker 2: your great grandparents have been alive.
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  Speaker 3: Kurt Signetti pulled off the impossible. The postgame speeches, everything
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  Speaker 3: was just fantastic. I mean it was he saw Signetti's
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  Speaker 3: smile on his postgame speed.
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  Speaker 2: It was a Disney movie playing out in real time.
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  Speaker 3: That not only does Fernando Mendoza complete like that storybook journey,
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  Speaker 3: but also the guy who intercepted the game ceiling pass
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  Speaker 3: redeemed a situation for his own uncle, Glenn Sharp twenty
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  Speaker 3: whatever it was years ago in two thousand and two,
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  Speaker 3: So twenty four years ago. Glenn Sharp gets called for
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  Speaker 3: a controversial pass interference call against Ohio State while he's
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  Speaker 3: playing for Miami. Absolutely the right call, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: wrong call, terrible call, And I can't even say that
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  Speaker 3: with a straight face my book. Guys were really fortunate.
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  Speaker 3: Would have been a game winning play. Yeah, fourth down,
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  Speaker 3: it's done. He gets called for pass interference in the
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  Speaker 3: end zone, extends the drive. Ohio State scores, wins, right.
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  Speaker 3: That guy's nephew, Amari Sharp. Jamari Sharp intercepted the pass
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  Speaker 3: for Indiana to seal the National championship. Another Miami kid,
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  Speaker 3: another Dade County, South Florida kid that grew up in
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  Speaker 3: the shadow of hard Rock Stadium, probably wanted to go
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  Speaker 3: to Miami just like his uncle did, playing for Indiana instead,
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  Speaker 3: and that dude seals the game with an interception. So
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  Speaker 3: the most important plays in a National championship game, Two
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  Speaker 3: of the four most important plays were made by kids
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  Speaker 3: from Miami who were in some way snubbed by Miami,
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  Speaker 3: and they beat Miami in Miami Stadium to win a
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  Speaker 3: national championship. If you saw this in a script and
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  Speaker 3: you're a movie exec, you'd just be like, that's it's
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  Speaker 3: too unrealistic. Let's okay, the quarterback can be from here,
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  Speaker 3: but the guy who gets the interception to seal the victory,
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  Speaker 3: he can't also be from here, and he can't he can.
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  Speaker 3: We can't have the storyline of him redeeming a national
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  Speaker 3: championship failure for his uncle. Okay, that's too confusing for
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  Speaker 3: the viewer to follows. There's not a reasonable plot point here,
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  Speaker 3: so let's go with the Mendoza kid. The sharp storyline
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  Speaker 3: can't be in this fictionalized account that we're doing.
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  Speaker 2: This is real. We watched it.
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  Speaker 3: One of the greatest seasons in the history of college football,
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  Speaker 3: capped off in Cinderella's storybook fashion by Miami Kids beating
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  Speaker 3: Miami in Miami Stadium where everybody. Indiana had more fans
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  Speaker 3: in the stadium than Miami did. They talked about it
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  Speaker 3: on the broadcast, they talked about it all over the
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  Speaker 3: sideline reports. You could tell watching the game, the louder fan,
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  Speaker 3: the more robust fan base, the more visible fan base.
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  Speaker 3: Because of the colors in the stands, the Indiana Hoosiers,
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  Speaker 3: the entire state of Indiana, the whole city of Bloomington
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  Speaker 3: was in Miami and in hard Rock Stadium, that is
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  Speaker 3: where the Hurricanes play. If that doesn't show you the
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  Speaker 3: transient nature of Miami's fan base, can you imagine? And
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  Speaker 3: it will never be the case, but can you imagine
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  Speaker 3: if Utah was hosting a National Championship game at rece
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  Speaker 3: Eco Stadium and Oklahoma fans or Notre Dame fans or
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  Speaker 3: USC fans or whoever they're playing against, had more than
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  Speaker 3: half the tickets in that stadium. It would be a
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  Speaker 3: shame upon the state. It would be an unforgivable sin
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  Speaker 3: of sports fandom to allow that to happen. Miami, the
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  Speaker 3: city of Miami, the Hurricane fan base, everyone should be
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  Speaker 3: brutally ashamed of themselves for allowing that to be the case.
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  Speaker 3: The only thing that I think explains it or justifies
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  Speaker 3: it is if you were a Miami fan, you didn't
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  Speaker 3: even think about buying a National Championship ticket until they
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  Speaker 3: had actually beat Ole miss and they had actually won
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  Speaker 3: the game to make it to the National Championship. If
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  Speaker 3: you're an Indiana fan, you probably watched their first playoff
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  Speaker 3: game and we're just like, Okay, I'm gonna book my
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  Speaker 3: National Championship tickets.
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  Speaker 2: Now we're gonna be there.
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  Speaker 3: I'll just bite the bullet and sell these things off,
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  Speaker 3: scalp them if I have to. But I mean, if
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  Speaker 3: you're an Indiana fan, you probably watched them go to
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  Speaker 3: Eugene earlier this year in the regular season and said,
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  Speaker 3: all right, I'm booking my National Championship tickets. Now I'm
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  Speaker 3: getting my hotel, I'm getting my rental car, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: make a couple restaurant reservations. I am going to bank
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  Speaker 3: on my Indiana Hoosiers at least being in the game.
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  Speaker 2: That's how impressive they were.
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  Speaker 3: Sixteen and oh has not been done since eighteen ninety six, Oh,
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  Speaker 3: the Yale Bulldogs.
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  Speaker 2: This is pre helmet football.
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  Speaker 3: That's the last time a team has been sixteen and
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  Speaker 3: oh in the Division one world.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't even realize that any team had played that
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  Speaker 4: many games in a season ever, because for so long
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  Speaker 4: it was it was eleven games, and then it was twelve,
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  Speaker 4: and then it was thirteen. And obviously we've we've expanded
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  Speaker 4: it with the expanded playoffs, so that's uh. I would
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  Speaker 4: have guessed that Indiana would be the first. Let's see here.
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  Speaker 4: That can't be right.
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  Speaker 2: I thought eighteen ninety was it eighteen ninety four?
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  Speaker 3: I gotta find this. Oh yeah, sorry, excuse me. Eighteen
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  Speaker 3: ninety four nineteenth century of seen ninety four, two centuries ago.
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  Speaker 2: Technically.
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  Speaker 3: The team finished with a sixteen and oh record. They
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  Speaker 3: shut out thirteen of sixteen opponents. Wow, they threw three
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  Speaker 3: forward passes a game.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, here's let's a little do a little education on
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  Speaker 2: the sixteen and oh eighteen ninety four Eastern College Football
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  Speaker 2: Independent champion, the Yale Bulldogs, sixteen and oh, Penn Villanova,
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  Speaker 2: Penn State, Harvard, Geneva. I mean these are the give
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  Speaker 2: me a break.
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  Speaker 3: At Trinity Brown, they had a ten zero victory against
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  Speaker 3: the Crescent Athletic Club.
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  Speaker 2: They beat Williams twenty three to four.
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  Speaker 3: That's how different the scoring was back then. They beat
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  Speaker 3: le High thirty four to zero, Dartmouth thirty four to zero,
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  Speaker 3: the Orange Athletic Club twenty four to zero, the Boston
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  Speaker 3: Athletic Association twenty three to zero, twelve to five victory
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  Speaker 3: at Army twelve five, the Volunteer New York Athletic Association
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  Speaker 3: forty two to zero at Brown twelve to zero Tofts toughs,
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  Speaker 3: great medical school, not a wonderful football team, sixty seven
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  Speaker 3: to zero. Eighteen ninety four Yale with the dominant victory
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  Speaker 3: there Lehigh again. They played Lehigh again for the second time,
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  Speaker 3: fifty to zero. So they outscored lee High eighty four
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  Speaker 3: to zero in a single season in two different games.
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  Speaker 2: That sucks Lehigh Chicago Athletic Association forty eight to zero,
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  Speaker 2: twelve to four. They beat Harvard twenty four to zero
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  Speaker 2: against Princeton on December first to finish it off, and
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  Speaker 2: that was played. That was a game played in run
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  Speaker 2: of thirty thousand fans. All right, the Harvard Yale game
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  Speaker 2: only had twenty three thousand that year. Not a real
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  Speaker 2: RIVALI when they.
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  Speaker 3: Demolished Dartmouth, there were seven hundred people at attendance eighteen
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  Speaker 3: ninety four.
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  Speaker 2: Yale was a wagon but yeah they were.
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  Speaker 3: But they were also beating up on teams called Crescent
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  Speaker 3: Athletic Club.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So I actually weirdly have a little bit of knowledge
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  Speaker 4: about this era, oh see, because I read I read
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  Speaker 4: a book about the earliest professional football, which started in
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  Speaker 4: eighteen nineties. Those athletic clubs that it was common for
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  Speaker 4: those athletic clubs.
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  Speaker 3: They're semi pro. They're actually they're amateur technically, and they
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  Speaker 3: gradually started paying these players and they became semi pro
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  Speaker 3: and then fully professional, but they were they're like adults
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  Speaker 3: college ish age football community. The clubs that eventually became
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  Speaker 3: professional a lot of them, and so yeah, it was
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  Speaker 3: pretty common for the college because there wasn't a ton
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  Speaker 3: of colleges playing college football yet. As you can tell
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  Speaker 3: from that schedule, they they scheduled a.
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  Speaker 4: Lot of these community athletic clubs too, which pretty fascinating, which.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, are probably groups of guys that played
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  Speaker 3: rugby and we're probably like playing baseball together. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 3: then we're just like you guys want to do a
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  Speaker 3: football game.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's the equivalent of you showing up like an.
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  Speaker 3: Eighth ward versus sixteenth ward, yeah, and just being like, wow,
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  Speaker 3: they got some hoopers over there. But also you might
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  Speaker 3: show up and they'd be like, no, there's no nobody
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  Speaker 3: here plays basketball. It's guys that worked in the mine
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  Speaker 3: or worked with firefighters.
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  Speaker 2: Or in the steel the steel mill.
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  Speaker 3: Or whatever that that are like, yeah, i'll play football too,
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  Speaker 3: I'll play baseball too, which by the way, is a
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  Speaker 3: unfortunately something that is lost in American society.
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  Speaker 2: Would be the coolest thing ever if we still had this.
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  Speaker 2: The New York Athletic Club still exists, that was doing
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  Speaker 2: a lot of these things.
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  Speaker 3: It still exists. They have a rugby club, but these
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  Speaker 3: things are so rare now. They're only in major cities,
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  Speaker 3: and only guys who have, like I don't know, independent
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  Speaker 3: wealth are able to do that. Just be like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you want to play a pick up football game on
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  Speaker 3: a Wednesday afternoon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have I don't have to work, I
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  Speaker 2: don't have to.
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  Speaker 3: Pick up my kids. Like, yeah, let's I'll be part
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  Speaker 3: of that team. Anyway, that was part of American life
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  Speaker 3: back in eighteen ninety four. Yale ended up sixteen and
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  Speaker 3: oh and I honestly, I'm probably being overly dismissive of
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  Speaker 3: how good Tufts.
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  Speaker 2: Was back then.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe, I mean we would. A lot of people
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  Speaker 4: would probably scoff at the thought of Yale being a
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  Speaker 4: football power at one point, but they were like those
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  Speaker 4: Ivy League schools were the only football powers for a
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  Speaker 4: long time.
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  Speaker 3: Then the Service academies were great for a while, And
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  Speaker 3: now we're in an era where Indiana is great. Indiana
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  Speaker 3: is the national champion, and Indiana I know that that
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  Speaker 3: LSU national championship team that was fifteen to zero is
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  Speaker 3: for most people the high watermark of the greatest college
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  Speaker 3: football seasons ever. Indiana twenty seven to fourteen over Old
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  Speaker 3: Dominion to open the season, fifty six to nine over
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  Speaker 3: Kennesas State, seventy three to zero over Indiana State, Sorry Sycamores,
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  Speaker 3: sixty three to ten over Illinois, twenty to fifteen over Iowa.
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  Speaker 3: That was that was the late game heroics, the totap catch.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 4: The Oregon game was a really tough game for them.
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  Speaker 4: You're going to get to that score.
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  Speaker 3: But you could argue that in the regular season Iowa
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  Speaker 3: was really their only tough game. I mean, Oregon was tough,
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  Speaker 3: but it was Iowa was the only one score game
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  Speaker 3: in the regular season. They at least were able to
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  Speaker 3: pull ahead and get a couple score on the road
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  Speaker 3: against the Oregon.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe they were looking ahead a little bit to Oregon.
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  Speaker 2: The trip to Eugene. They escape against in against Iowa,
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  Speaker 2: I'm forgetting Penn State thirty twenty. They beat Oregon thirty
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  Speaker 2: eight to thirteen.
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  Speaker 3: Over Michigan State fifty six to six, over UCLA fifty
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  Speaker 3: five to ten over Maryland twenty seven to twenty four
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  Speaker 3: against Penn State, thirty one to seven, against Wisconsin, fifty
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  Speaker 3: six three against Purdue, thirteen to ten, against the number
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  Speaker 3: two team in the country, Ohio State.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have to bring that one up. Thirty eight three,
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  Speaker 2: they smash Alabama fifty six, twenty two, They smash Oregon
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  Speaker 2: twenty seven twenty one. A tough, hard fought victory. Great
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  Speaker 2: job by Miami to keep this one a game, to
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  Speaker 2: keep it close. We were talking about it before the show.
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  Speaker 3: You never really felt like Miami was going to win
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  Speaker 3: the game until they held Indiana to that final field
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  Speaker 3: goal and it's like the door zone and it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: now can they drive? Can they put together a game
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  Speaker 3: winning drive like they did against Old Miss And instead
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: it's a storybook ending for Jamari Sharp who gets the
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: game ceiling interception.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: That's that's crazy that you had. We all knew about
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: the quarterback story. They publicized that really well leading up
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: to the game all season, really especially leading up to
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: the game. Uh but Sharp also had a family member
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: who played for notable Miami team. And he's also in
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: his hometown looking looking to win a national championship against
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: it against a school that he would have been somewhat
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: of a legacy kid at that overlooked him. And and
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: and the fact that his uncle Glenn Sharp was involved
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: was was the one call for that that absolutely correct
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: call in two thousand terrible call. And look, it's not
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: just that this is a Becker kid, right, Becker, the
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Becker kid.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: He caught those back back shoulder fades. He was a
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: couple of times a year. He was great all year.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: In this game, you don't win unless he makes a
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: couple of those big catches, right, And that's a guy
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: that they were just like, I don't know, I'm mad,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: you might not be good enough.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: And he stuck it out. He stuck it out. He
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: stuck it out.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: He ended up being a prominent player in a national
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: championship game that the they it didn't end up being
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: a touchdown, but it was him that almost that dragged
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: like three defenders into the end zone and early in
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: the game right and stepped out of bounds. Though I
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: believe that was Becker, like he incredible came by him. Yeah,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: just unreal game by the way Indiana overcomes a team
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: that never makes mistakes, never hurts themselves. They're Big ten
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: offensive linemen of the year. They're left tackle with a
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: false start that takes you it was going to be
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: a one yard one and a half yard conversion.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: It would have been second and one. You need to
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: get that and then the game is over.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Basically, yeah, that's the drive that they end up kicking
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: the field goal, leaving the door.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: His false start pushes him back.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Miami's defense accounted well for themselves all night, especially that
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: front four. And you don't get anything going, you have
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: to kick the field goal because of that added a
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: little sprink of the little extra drama. Again, this is
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: a Hollywood movie, ladies and gentlemen. The all American caliber
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: guy that never makes a mistake, makes a mistake in
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: a national championship, potential game siding moment, what and they
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: still overcome it. So let's cast the movie here, All right,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: let's cast the movie. Kurt Signetti said, three Games ago
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: make a hell of a movie.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I agree with him. Who's playing Kurt Signetti? I was
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: looking this up last night. Kurt Signetti. He's sixty four
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: years old, which means you take all your favorite Hollywood actors,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: and you say, actors in their sixties.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: I got some options here. Actually, this is the golden
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: age of actors in their sixties. Although if you're if
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: you're an eighties or nineties kid, you know it's all
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: of your favorite actors or all of the A list
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: actors in your favorite movies. If you're Kurt Signetti's agent,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: you're on the phone right now with Walt Disney Studios
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: and you're saying, like, look, we will sell you the
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: rights to Kurt Signettes.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: You can do his name, image of likeness thing.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: We will sell you the rights, but you gotta have
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Brad Pitt play him. Brad Pip, come on, Hey, they're
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: in the same age group. Okay, Brad is not realistic
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: as Kurt Signetti. Okay, fine, maybe not Brad. He's more
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: of a sexy leading man kind of thing.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: We'll do Tom. We'll settle on Tom Cruise. Same thing.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: You can't have Tom Cruise play Kurt Signetti. Okay, who
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: can give me that raised eyebrow grumpy look better than anyone.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: And you've got myriad options out there, like Steve Buscemi's
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: a little too ugly to play Kurt Signetty. He's also
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: in his sixties. Gary Oldman, what do you think of
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: that one? I could see Gary Oldman. Also, here's the
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: thing about Gary Oldman too. Dude's a chameleon. He can
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: make himself look like anything. He was a great Winston Churchill.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: He gat like one hundred pounds for that.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: He also he's also serious black in Harry Potter, which
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: I did. I had to do a double take when
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: I realized that's the guy who's also James Commissioner James
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Gordon in the Dark Knight trilogy.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Like he can.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: He and his makeup team, whatever they do, they always
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: have done a great job of making him look like anything.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: So I can see Gary Oldman.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Let's go through this. I'm gonna I'm gonna throw out
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: a name. You say yes or no? Are we? Are
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: we in him? To the casting call?
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Okay, Tom Hanks, These are all actors in their sixties. Sure, yeah,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Tom Hanks. Okay, Tom Hanks is invited to audition. Audition
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Denzel Washington. He could go method, he could go white
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: face Denzel Washington, and white.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Face Denzel Washington can be one of his maybe a
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: different character.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: George Clooney. Is he invited to the audition or is
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: he too handsome? I think Clooney's to Brad Pittish. Okay,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: what about Colin Firth? Now I think I would rather
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: have an American actor play him. Respect to Colin Firth,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: respect to Gary.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Oldman, I'd be a little reverse ted Lasso thing.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: It could be, It could be. So are we inviting
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Colin Firth?
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: Sure?
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: By the way, if you want to give us your recommendations,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: you grant you groms uh yep. I love Hugh Grant,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: but probably not Liam Neeson, Lim Neeson, Yes, oh my gosh,
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Kurt Signetti played by Liam Neeson. And that you put
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: a little side plot in there where between film study sessions.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: He hunts down bad guys. Yes, which Kurt Signetti. You
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: absolutely could be convinced that he would do that. Now,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: this this guy might he might be the best choice.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: He's seventy, he's not in his sixties anymore. He's seventy
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: years old. But just picture him with the stance, the
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: hands on the hips, the eyebrow raised. Kevin Costner as
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Kurt Signetti. He might he might be my number two.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna get to my number one? Are
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: we inviting Woody Harrelson?
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I like Woody Harrelson? Why not?
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: I just he's too his look is too distinct. He
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: can't be a chameleon into Kurt Signetti. What about JK.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Simmons.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: He's also seventy, but he's jacked right now. You could
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: have him Russell Crowe.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: No, I'm not gonna HEYK Simmons would have the uh
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: would would get the RBF?
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: This Kurt Signetti RBF.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Daniel day Lewis, he goes full method when he's an actor. Yeah,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Daniel day Lewis would have to become a college football
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: coach in order to play the role.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be like what he did Last of
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: the Mohicans.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: He disappeared into the woods and lived wearing buckskin for
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: real for like three months. They couldn't find him to
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: do like promo shoots and things like that.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: He's supposed to do the role.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: If he's not, if he's not actually one of the characters.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: So here's who I think really should play the role.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: We're gonna invited all these guys to the auditions, but
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: I think the person that really has to play Kurt
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Signetti in the film adaptation of the Hoosiers full on
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Turnaround for being losing his program in college football history
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: to twenty twenty five season national champions number one team
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: sixteen to zero, not since eighteen ninety four, Yale. Have
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: you seen this done, Brian Cranston. Yeah, Walter White as
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Kurt Signetti.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: He half of his career has been built on him
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: making that face, that nonplus I'm mad and a little
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: bit dangerous type of face. It's the perfect Kurt Signetti.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: And Signetti is he's shown us over this playoff run,
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: especially how he's got like a dry, sneaky sense of humor. Yeah,
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: Ranston can nail that absolutely.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: He he is in different cameos and Malcolm in the Middle,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: He's nailed that type of like, I'm not overtly slapstick funny,
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: but I I do have a sense of humor.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: This one's sneaky.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: From twenty seven oh two, I actually thought about this one,
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Jim Carrey for Kurt signetty, he can really over exaggerate
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: those faces. Yes, Nicholas Nicholas Cage, that would be so oh,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Nicholas Cage, Harrison Ford Harrison Ford unfortunately is too old. Now, yeah,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: I have one that's probably that's probably too old, but
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: is really good at the at the grumpy Face too.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Tommy Lee Jones, Yeah, Tommy Lee Jones. Harrison Ford and
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Tommy Lee Jones are like they're running into their eighties.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: So that'd be a little bit insulting. For Kurt Signetti,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Hey probably, uh, Josh Brolin from sixty eight to forty four,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: this one is off the radar for me. But Nick Offerman,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Ron Swanson, yeah, as Kurt Signetti.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: Someone on the Dan Patrick Show they were trying to
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: cast the movie too. This morning on ESPN seven and
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: ninety two one fm uh, someone said Stephen Root, I
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: thought that was decent.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: He's a richie, says Billy Bob Thornton. Bob Thornton, he's
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: too busy filming land Man. Steve Carell seventy nine thirteen
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: says Steve Carell. I love Steve Crell. I'm not sure.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure he's right for it. Mike on Mike
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: on the text line says, there are things to talk
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: about why this dribble.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: What you're looking for is the word Drivell. First of all,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: dribble doesn't fit here. It's drivell you know, second of all,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Indiana won the national championship. Mike and Kurt Signetti said
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: it'd be a hell of a movie. So we're casting
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Kurt Signetti in the movie. Mike, you know what?
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: You know where dribble does fit with our next guest,
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: Cordy Chiasa.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm gonna ask Gordy Chiasa, who would
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: play Gordy Chiasa in the Hollywood adaptation of his movie?
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah? How's that for dribble?
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: The Sean O'Connell Show ESPN seven hundred and ninety twofm with.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: The latest stank Utah Jazz with former Jazz assistant coach
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the NBA than any
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: of us will ever know.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Let's not get crazy.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Come for the hoops talk. Stay for his list of
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: the day a list today. Here's o C with basketball
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: sab on Gordy Chiasa on The Sean O'Connell Show.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell Show continues here on ESPN seven hundred ninety TWEFM.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Gordy Chiasa, our resident NBA insider, joins us Gordy, welcome.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: How are you, Sean.
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: I'm doing well, but almost as good as I you
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: last night? Also, how about it?
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: We talked about it a lot, Gordy.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: You know, this is a team that that pulled off
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: the greatest turnaround from a program standpoint in the history
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: of college sports. They cap it off with the national
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: championship last night, and I mean, is it proof of concept?
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Is it proof of like the changing of the guard
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: in college football? Is this going to be a one
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: season outlier in your mind?
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: I think it's going to be more just parody because
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: now because they're nil money, but all since I forget
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: about quarterback, Mendoza did everything for his team. And you know,
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: whether it's the NFL or high major college football. Just
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: like also in basketball, where the perimeter guys, if those
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: guys can make play, especially with their feet, everything changes.
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: So think about Mendoza what he did, undefeated, sixteen and
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: zero wins, the Heisan Trophy went to natural championship and
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: a Storybooks season, so it's nothing like it. So good
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: for him and good for you. Tremendous coaching again, I'm
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: I'm a football fan. Tremendous coaching and just unbelievable as
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: far as team chemistry. Just watching from Afar, it was.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Great to see. We've been talking about it. We will
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: keep talking about it. Also, they're going to make a
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: movie out of this. We're trying to figure out who
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: should play Kurt Signetti and Fernanda Mendoza. Who would play
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Gordy Chias in the gordychiasa Hollywood movie.
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: Oh it's easy. Nicholas Cage.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, I love that idea, Okay, jet I love them.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Nicholas Cages. Gordi Chiers would be the role of
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: a lifetime for him.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: That's changers for him. God bless him for him. But
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: speaking the role of a lifetime, Sean. Yesterday was an
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: MLK celebration day, and in San Antonio, Victor Wembionda helped
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: celebrate that with an unbelievable sensational performance showing this guy
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: is generational talent. HiT's a quick mass about it. Thirty
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: three points shooting from the field ten for eighteen seven
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: to twelve from three ten rebounds, two blocks and two steals.
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: And so the Jets had no answers for him like
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: many teams do, and he led the Spurs as far
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: as just the overall fluidity of how they play offense,
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: how they pop the ball on perimeter, They shoot from
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: the field fifty six percent in the field and in
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: three point range forty two, so that Jazz had no
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: chance of guarding them just collectively.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: When you have a guy who's capable of doing that,
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: of going off like we can see, you know he's
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: not the only guy. But as from a coaching standpoint,
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: what do you what do you do? What do you
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: say to your team?
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Do you do?
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: You just say, I mean, throw two three guys at him?
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: How do you make adjustments to a night like that?
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: From a player like that?
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: It's only abu. So the first you want to do
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: is be with him, pick him up way above sue happens.
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: The question is that he's a big guy that plays outside.
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: So philosophically, do you play a big guy guarding him
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: on perimeter or do you go your best defender as
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: a midside guy. And then once he gets into the
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: scoring area. Now I know that's a interesting word to say. Well, say,
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: on the twenty three foot radius, that's when you double
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: team them. So you try to pressure him up the floor.
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: You go small against him, he gets in the scoring area.
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: If he starts backing down on that stacing the basket,
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: it's an automatically called the nearest sky trap, and then
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: off that you rotate. If he goes into the block
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: right now, you have to try to funt him and
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: get help site and pressure the passer. And the last
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: point about it, would you go zone. So usually speaking
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: teams that play zone, especially showing after a time out,
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: it takes away some of the offensive rhythm of the players,
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: I mean the opposing team. So I would go zone,
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: I elongate the catch, I would trap him, and then
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: I would pick him up early and be much physical
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: as I can, and then try to get him to
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: be a passer versus wife being a scorer.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: We saw a little echo from the past.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Kevin Love at one point was the best rebounder in
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: the NBA. He had a big rebounding night, eleven boards
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: for him last night. I don't think we're going to
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: see a lot of this, but it was a bit
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: of a throwback, yeah.
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: Very much. And his all position, he rebounds for two hands,
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: and so a lot of times guys, for all the
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: wrong reasons, they try to cup rebound and that's when
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: I call finesse rebounding, but with Kevin Love, he's a
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: two handed rebounding. He gets that ball and throws that
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: incredible rocket two hundred chest pass over his head as
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: far as igniting a Jazz fast break. So Kevin Love,
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: at thirty eight years old, still has a game. And
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: so if I'm a playoff type team, I'm staring right
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: at him because his contract is absolutely team friendly. He
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: makes the NBA minimum for a ten year player, which
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: is basically a three three point two million dollars. I'm
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: looking at him to try to solidify my team. So,
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: for example, from the Bosston Celtics, I'm looking at Kevin
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: Love to try to come to the team to be
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: courte minimum the backup center as the Celts try to
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: go deep in the playoffs.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: A team like that, is he the most likely Jazz
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: man to move before the deadline, either him or.
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: Use of Nurkice. Either or the Nurkice. He's played very well,
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: so not a question of he hasn't done a good
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: job for the Jazz. His contract, again is friendly, it's
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: up this year, and so the Jazz philosophically he makes
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: nineteen million dollars this year so did the Jazz keep
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: him to back up Walker Kessler. We're assuming that he
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: comes back full force and the Jazz we sign him
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: as far as they're giving him technically, they can give
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: him four year extension, all right, So you sign him
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: where he signed him for meeting use of nurkice. If
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: you don't say philosophically in the office, we're not going
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: to resign him. Then try to move him on to
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: it and get more assets here because people like him. Again,
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: if I'm the Celtics, I'm standing right at him. Also,
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: they need big guys, So big guys in playoffs are
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: absolutely critical because they're able to control the boards and
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: be inside presence because the shot of choice in the
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: most playoffs and it's not the three, it's to drive
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: to the basket of midchier game as far as minigame,
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: and that's when a big coming and to force in
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: a regular season, bigs aren't as important when I players
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: they are. So those two guys people are staring at,
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: and the third guy would be Kyle Anderson. If you
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: need a vosatile veteran player to play outside, inside, inside, outside,
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: did they shu opim play?
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: We saw the other day the player votes for the
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: All Star Game and the jazz Men that received votes
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: and didn't.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Were you surprised at all to see?
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: I mean there were guys pretty far down the roster
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: getting at least a single player vote. Is that teammates saying, yeah,
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Cody Williams deserves to be there. I mean, how does
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: that situation work? When you get a vote or two
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: you as a player, do you know who it's coming from?
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: No, you don't. Un Let the person tells you that
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: I voted for you. You know you're my man, You're
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: my dog, all right, So it could happen. And so
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: now the question is it's is it deserving or non deserving?
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: Or is it a bit of a hypocrisy that a
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: person would get votes as far as that's probably not deserving? Probably,
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: or I'm trying to paint the picture and a broad stroke.
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: And so that's the But the NBA wants that the
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: NBA wants the voting for fifty percent for the starters
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: by the fans, twenty five by the media's credentials in
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: the NBA, and twenty five by the present players, and
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: then the reserves. Of January thirtieth is the last day
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: that's when the coaches vote for the reserves, and that's
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: when that's when the coaches can zero in and who
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: they think is deserving. As far as making an All
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: Star roster, it's important showing because you're selling your own
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: brand as far as globally and from a sneaker's point
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: of view, the sneaker war was is absolutely critical as
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: far as your advertisers, who as the most players wear
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: their shoe in the All Star Game and then later
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: on eventually it would be the Olympics.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at the Western Conference voting breakdown and that
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: formula that you just gave us uh Nicola Jokis Joker
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: got he was ranked number one in the player voting.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: His peers in the NBA put him number one from
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: in there from their votes. The fans and the media
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: have him number two. Now, two is not disrespect. Two
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: is like your way way up there? But is there?
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Why shouldn't there.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Be a consensus if he if the the players think
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: he's the best player in the game, why do fans
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: in media not reflect that?
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: Trained die That's the reason why, because players have to
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: guard him in a game and they really how difficult
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: it is. And also players are more intuned to player,
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: to the competition at the have a winning game. The
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: fans check speaking respect guys like Jokic, but it's not
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: the wow factor as far as you know, a highlight films,
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: as far as making dunks or rainbow three point you know,
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: off to the bathroom, as far as splashing threes. And
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: that's how it's viewed most of the times by the fans,
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: and it's not their fault. That's why they're fans. They
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: go for more the energy and more the juice and
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: more white gravity points. The Jokic is the The players
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: know that he's the best player in basketball and you
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: can see why he is. And a close second would
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: be like Luca Donches, Type Sha Jies, Alexander. Those guys
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: are all in play, also Giannis. They're all a top.
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: You can debate that who's one, two, three, or four.
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: I'm saying that number one is by far Jokic.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Gordy Gias is our guest here on the shot on
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• 42:54
  Speaker 3: the Jimmy Butler torn acl how devastating.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Is this right now for Golden State?
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: Immensely very much. Jimmy Butler has played tremendous for the
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: the Golden State Warriors. He is really besides Steph Curry.
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: He's the guy who makes it run as far as
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: this every intensity which he plays right, and he's played well.
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: And the Warriors have right now a four game winning
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: streak and they won twelve to last sixteen and Jimmy
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: Butler is a big part of that. Of what he's
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: done for the team, it's devastating. Besides the injury, it's
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: a really a franchise because now they really it's highly
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: unlikely that they're going to contend. Even even when he
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: was there, their rosters really is a lot of different
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: holes in it, and now by him not being there,
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: it affects everything. And the injury most times it takes
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: usually ten months to a year to heal. So we're
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: talking about him not playing if I'm that's right, roughly,
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: let's rich around it off until next January fifteenth, So
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: his contract is this year and next year, and so
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: now they are the Warriors have a different calculust as
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: they head to the trading deadline. I did the question
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: right now is did they trade Johnson Caminga, but now
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: suddenly they're back and play as far as playing them more,
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: or they've already committed to try to move them onre
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: so Jimmy Butler as far as edding tech this year,
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: when Jimmy Butler played this year, the winning percentage for
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: the Warriors is sixty point five percent. And the games
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: that didn't play this year because of injuries, they've only
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: won thirty three percent of their games, and so you
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: can see the impact as far as him being a
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: trusted sidekick to Steph Curry and to Draymond Green devastating.
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: Can they overcome it, It's highly unlikely.
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: It's not lack of effort. They don't have enough. The
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: rest is absolutely loaded. So right now the Warriors are
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: twenty five and nineteen. They're they're the eight seed, So
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: number seven the Suns, number nine to Trail Blade, and
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: number ten is the Clippers. The Clippers at the host
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: team and basketball right now, they've won six in a row,
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: their healthy minus Kawhi Leonard, who's got some niche sort
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: in stat of holding them out. So the Warriors in
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: their world, if they can get to the playoffs, because
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: they overachieved the rest of the season. They're staring up
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: probably I'm assuming the eight seed, so now they're playing
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: eight versus one. They're playing right now the saying champion
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: would be the Thunder then, so it's highly unlikely that
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: they would get past the first round. And they do
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: make the postseason. It's really a tribute to the quote
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: this system deep, Steve coach coaching and Steph Currye's brilliance.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Since the last time we spoke Alex Jensen in the
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Running Youth's got their first Big twelve victory of the year,
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: so his first Big twelve victory as head coach, and
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: you know, it's a milestone that you had to achieve
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: at some point. How important is it as you try to,
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: you know, rebuild your program, do things in a different
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: way and potentially get back to the glory days of
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: Utah basketball. To knock off that first conference win in
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: a very tough basketball conference, Yeah, very much.
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: Very twelve. It is absolutely just very similar to the
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: Western Conference in the NBA. It's loaded. So with that said, impactful.
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: So now the players know that they in fact they
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: lost to BYU and a really hard fourth game at
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: the Hunts and Center. Recently also and ironically they played BYU.
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: Besides playing Kansas State tonight in Manhattan, Kansas, they played
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: BYU Saturday at the Marriotte Center. So with the first
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: win over TCO, all e validates all the hard work
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: and all the little details that in previous games maybe
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: they only did some of them. In their victory over TCO,
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: they did most of them. And so that helps the
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: practice sessions being more upbeat and that there's a more
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: element of a conference as far as them being common,
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: and that we can be the good team at home
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: and let's try to win tonight. I mentioned against k
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: State and definitely on Saturday versus really our top flight
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: team BYU and a b YU they've brought. They got
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: punched in the face by Texas Tech just quickly. As
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: far as the local landscape, they're outscored thirty to seven
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: in that second half. And Texas Tech got a lot
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: of people that were going to be in the draft,
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: and they did a good job on AJ Debanser by
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: really playing billiam Viy Kobe called rolling them up where
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: he penetrated there was three or four buys in front
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: of him. He tried to kick it out to the
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: corners or to the three point line, and those guys
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: couldn't make consistent shots, but they were more physical against
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: BYU and that's why they're able to do to win.
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: Now b Roy's point of view, it's good because now
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: they've played a quality team on the road, that's what's hostile,
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: and they got exposed what they had to work on.
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: So from a silver lining, it's important to play against
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: teams so that when you get to the postseason that
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: it happens already before you can see what's going to
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: how they're going to guard us and hit the CounterPunch
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: to it.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Coty, what's your list today?
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: But let's today sean all time NBA regular season career
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: point leaders because this week Kevin Durant has edited through
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: his total and Lebron James is always keep adding to
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: his total. And you know, getting back quickly about the
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: All Star Game is the first time in twenty one
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: years Lebron James has not been selected as a starter,
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: but he will be selected absolutely as a reserve coming
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: to the game. And so we'll deserved top ten of
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: all time Number ten. Shaquille O'Neill nineteen seasons. He messed
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: twenty eight five ninety six points. Number nine, the only
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: lefties shown on this list. So I know you're south board,
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: you know you like this. He's playing for the Clippers
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: as we speak. James Harden seventeen seasons, twenty eight thousand
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: and seven oh three, Number eight on the all time Greats.
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: He broke so many records. He played fourteen seasons. Wilt Chamberlain,
• 49:13
  Speaker 6: he scored thirty one thousand, four nineteen. But heyme and
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: Michael Jordan tied for the most ever koreerwise points per
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: game average. Will's averaged thirty point one points per game
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: in his career. Number seven he had a step back
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: jump shot off the glass. Humberie will a shooter from Germany.
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: Derrick Nowitski played twenty one season in the NBA. Thirty
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: one thousand, five six oh tallies. Number six Kevin Durant
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: moving up every single literally year. Kevin Durant's played in
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: the NBA for eighteen seasons. Sixth all time leading Korea
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: scorer thirty one thousand, five sixty two. Number five. Michael
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: Jordan played only fifteen season, so we'll played fourteen and
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: mj played fifteen. He a mess thirty two thousand, two
• 50:02
  Speaker 6: ninety two I mentioned earlier had been Wilter tied thirty
• 50:06
  Speaker 6: point one, most ever points per game. Number four Kobe
• 50:10
  Speaker 6: Bryant Lakers twenty seasons, fourth all time thirty three thousand,
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: six forty three. But add to this, he's second all
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: time and most ever fourth quarter points scored. Kobe Number
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: three I deferred to the coaches guy for sixteen years.
• 50:26
  Speaker 6: Carl MacLane played in the NBA for nineteen seasons, where
• 50:29
  Speaker 6: he scored thirty six thousand, nine twenty eight. Would call
• 50:33
  Speaker 6: averaged twenty five points per game for his career with
• 50:36
  Speaker 6: the Jazz eighteen years and one year with the Lakers.
• 50:40
  Speaker 6: Number two all time leading scorer. Kareem Abdul Jabbar he
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: played in the NBA for twenty seasons, thirty eight thousand,
• 50:49
  Speaker 6: three eighty seven and one little quick note, and that's
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: including only one three point shot made. Kareem. He made
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: one three point shot where the ball came to him
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: with one second left. He's flinged it up and went
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: in with thirty six thirty six nine twenty eight, including
• 51:06
  Speaker 6: only one three. The number ones score and history of
• 51:09
  Speaker 6: basketball is Lebron James. This is twenty third NBA season,
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: he has tallied forty two thousand, seven hundred and twenty
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: seven points, and he has the most ever fourth quarter
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: points in history of basketball, where he has scored nine thousand,
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: two hundred and fifty three points in the fourth quarter,
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: which we know is clutch time slash money time. I
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: have a question for your Sean named this player. I'll
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: give you a hint about it. This player really thought
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: about scoring. But he's fifty third all time in the
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: most points scored. What's his name, Sean, You've heard me
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: talk about him all the time.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Fifty third.
• 51:55
  Speaker 6: And he never thought about scoring.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I.
• 52:00
  Speaker 6: Gave one more hint. He was six foot.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: One John Stockton.
• 52:05
  Speaker 6: That's correct. It's amazing.
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 52:07
  Speaker 6: John Stockton never thought about scoring. I know some I've
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: coached some guys, Sean, They never think about passing in
• 52:14
  Speaker 6: the whole life. Ever, the only time he passes when
• 52:17
  Speaker 6: they passed somebody in the hallway, you know what I mean.
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: So John never thought about scoring, but he's fifty third
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: all time. John Stockton scored nineteen thousand, seven hundred and
• 52:28
  Speaker 6: eleven points without thinking about scoring.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: It's pretty good for not having it be your top priority.
• 52:36
  Speaker 6: It's amazing. And he shot for the field fifty one
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: point five for his career, nineteen games, nineteen years, apartment,
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: excuse me, nineteen campaigns without a dunk in an NBA game. Look,
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: he made one three point shot and John never dunked
• 52:54
  Speaker 6: the ball in the game. And Cream's number two and
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: John's number fifty fifty three, which shows you that you
• 53:00
  Speaker 6: could be successful by different styles. And it's it's about
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: team winning. And last night's game with the IU football
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: it was a class example. And in basketball jogging right now,
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: someday in the playoffs come up May and June, whoever
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: champ is going to be, there be a bunch of
• 53:18
  Speaker 6: guys that are ultra talented. They play as a unit,
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: but the clutch players in the fourth quarter, fourth quarter,
• 53:24
  Speaker 6: they come alive and they make plays out of nothing.
• 53:27
  Speaker 6: That's why they're going to be champions.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: Whoever it might be, look for him, or look for
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: the Hollywood movie starring Nick Cage about his life. That's
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell show.
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: Thank you Gordy, Thanks Sean, peace out, stay well.
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  Speaker 3: it time now to talk about a different conference?
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  Speaker 2: We're getting a lot of.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: Great suggestions on who should play Kurt Signetti in the
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: Hollywood movie about his life. Will Ferrell coming in from
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: eighteen fifty three. He could make some exaggerated faces like
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: Kurt Signetti. I love I love the amount of comedians
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: that are coming in with this because I didn't I
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: didn't think that angle until we started getting some of
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: these texts. But I feel like there's definitely a comedic
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: angle that can be explored here with.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Really like extra.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: Sahara Desert dry humor, seems like the Kurtzignetty thing well
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  Speaker 3: and listen, which actually, you know what, The Sahara Desert
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  Speaker 3: is not the driest of all deserts. So if we're
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  Speaker 3: going the driest desert on Earth Atacama, okay, the Ata
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: Kama Desert dry. Where does the Mohave nearby us? Yeah,
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: that's gotta bet it's pretty dry. But the Atacama Desert,
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: I think in Chile, I think is the driest place,
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: or maybe Peru.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: It's the driest place on earth, somewhere in somewhere in
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: South America. Gotcha, all right, learn something new today that geography.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: Lesson that.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: By the way, almost all of these like great comedians
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: they've been suggested to us, also have been known to
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: play pretty good serious do pretty well in serious roles too,
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: and adding just a little bit of humor.
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: So I'm on board.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: Is it time for us to stop talking about the
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: SEC as the most dominant, an important, powerful, influential conference
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: in college football? I know things move very very fast
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: in the world of college football now, and normally when
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: you start talking about well, you're not a dynasty until
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: it's been you know, four out of five years or.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: Three in a row. You really started talking that way.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: And the Big Ten Conference is now the dominant force
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: at the top top top of college football. You look
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: at the final rankings of this season and it's Big
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: Ten teams. Can we now say that the Big Ten
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: has firmly established itself as the number one conference in
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: college football, supplanting the SEC.
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: I think for the moment they are oh see. And
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: it's not just because of the last three champions coming
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: from the Big Ten. But last year you had you
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: had more Big Ten teams in the top five throughout
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: the year than then SEC teams. I think we had
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: a similar thing happened this year. The SEC seems to
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: be beating themselves up a little bit too much, to
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: the point where they're maybe don't have a whole lot
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: left by the time the playoffs roll around. The ole
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: miss this year.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: Notwithstanding right, the other thing, remember when I said on air,
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: what midway through the season, I don't think there's another
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: I don't think that there's anyone at Ohio States level
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: this year because and you astuteley said maybe there maybe
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: there doesn't seem to be another great team out there,
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: because there's no great teams in college football. And Indiana
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: proved to be the great team in college football. But
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: as as the season wore on, I went, you know what,
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: OC was probably dead on about this because that's how
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: the playoffs. That's how the playoffs played out in the end.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: And notwithstanding so unpredictable because the teams that we thought
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: were super highly ranked should be super highly ranked, didn't
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: end up being that much separation between the teams that
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: are playing in the playoffs. I think that we have
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: now arrived at a spot where and it's not permanent,
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: it can always swing back. The pendulum does in everything
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: in college football and in college basketball and in college
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: sports in general, and a lot of it right now
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: follows the money. But I think that you know, if
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: you're a fan of the Big Ten, if you're a president,
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: university president in the Big Ten, if you're an athletic
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: director in the Big Ten, you can pat yourself on
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: the back right now and you can say we have
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: become the leaders in the clubhouse.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: The SEC is still their partner, still their equal, but
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  Speaker 3: it's not a one horse show. It's not the SEC
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  Speaker 3: and looking down at everyone else. The Big Ten Conference
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: did the right things, made the right move and added
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: a team like Oregon to the ranks that was on
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: the rise and still is. USC is always probably a
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  Speaker 3: different coach or a different quarterback away from being back
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  Speaker 3: in those conversations. Washington is a respectable program. Obviously, you
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  Speaker 3: have your long standing blue bloods, and now you've added
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  Speaker 3: Indiana to this mix of power teams in a way
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  Speaker 3: that nobody ever thought that was going to be possible.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: I think that when you talk about the more respected,
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: the more dangerous, the more prominent conference, the Big Ten
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  Speaker 3: has overtaken the SEC, and I think that the SEC
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: knows it, and people tied to the SEC know it,
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: including Nick Saban, who was asked about it. He said,
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: in this day and age, the culture we have now
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: in college football, paying players name him jo likeness transfer,
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: it's an advantage to the Big Ten. You'll never convince
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: me otherwise the North, because people in the South would
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: not go to the North unless you pay them salty.
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  Speaker 3: From Nick Saban, I think another thing that you're seeing
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: is that there's a lot of the success that Indiana
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: had this year and that a lot of these.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Teams are having.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: You don't need dudes from Florida in order to win
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  Speaker 3: a national championship. You don't have to overemphasize on your
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: players out of Georgia. Although Indiana did have a Miami quarterback,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: I was just say, even though their Heisman Trophy winner
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: was from Miami, but not not the Florida guys that
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: we think of, right, this is a guy who would
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: have been a walk on at the University of Miami
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: if they'd have taken him, not a you know, a
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: highly touted recruit. But you know what, even if Nick
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: Saban is correct and you gotta pay players to make
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: them leave the South, the South was paying the players
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: before and keeping them home. So if that diaspora is
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: happening now and under a new rule set where these
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: guys from Texas, from Georgia, from Florida, from Louisiana are
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: just like, yeah, I'll go, I'll go check out the
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: Mountain West region. I'll go see what it's like at Utah,
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  Speaker 3: I'll go see what it's like at BYU or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe they wouldn't have done that before.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's kind of that was one of the main
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: points of having these mechanisms in place in college football.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of negative to it, but the positive
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: is increased parody and the number one beneficiary of that
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: right now seems to be the Big Ten Conference, and
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: more specifically seems to be Indiana University that was a
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: nothing three years ago and is now the national champion
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: and the presumed number one moving forward next year and
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: who knows for how long? That's crazy. Gotta take a
• 1:01:48
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• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: the vaunted BYU Cougar's basketball team has lost a conference game.
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  Speaker 2: How are you?
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  Speaker 5: Hey? I'm great, but you know it's in BYU country
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  Speaker 5: and it's a Murdock whom I played with. Tell them
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  Speaker 5: that JG sents you, so you got a bigger discount, guys.
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  Speaker 2: That probably will work to your benefit.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure the JT discounts better than the OC discount.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: JT.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna talk plenty of hoops, but I have to
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: reference a tweet that you sent out about fourteen hours ago,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: because we were discussing this earlier in the week. What
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: the success of Indiana Hoosiers football means for all the
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: other teams that were not talked about as national championship
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: contenders for most of our lives. And I think you're
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: you're speaking to that with this tweet. I've never thought
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: BYU football had a realistic shot at winning a national
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: championship until today. Nil transfer portal of the state of
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: college football today. Kalani's more capable to strike when the
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: stars align, it will happen in my lifetime.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: There's certainly a lot of BYU fans feel that way.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's Utah fans that feel that way. I
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  Speaker 3: think tit there's you know, Indiana fans that just watch
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: that happen for themselves, and there's probably Kansas State fans,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: and who knows. Texas Tech certainly believes that now and
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: Indiana has proven that it is possible. And we never
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: would have thought five years ago, ten years ago that
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  Speaker 3: Indiana would be near the conversation for a national champion.
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  Speaker 2: Has it changed enough that you can now believe it? Truly?
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  Speaker 2: For BYU, for Utah, for Texas Tech, I.
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  Speaker 5: Mean, Sean, we you know, I feel like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: like I feel like we could do a weekly investigative,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: you know, report on nil. Right, and it's today you
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: and I talk about a lot and and how can
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: you not And you know, if one thing became clear
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: yesterday is that first of all, the stars have to align,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: things have to go ride. You have to stay healthy,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: so taking aside all of you know, some of the
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: variables that you can't control, right, so staying healthy and
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: so on. But Texas that was the prime example of
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: being able to put a team together. And as long
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: as you stay healthy or you're able to navigate, you
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 5: can win. I mean, and you know Indiana and the
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: way that they were able to have a heck of
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: a season. You know, I just I fully believe, you know,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: I look at Utah, you know, at the Sugar Boone
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: when Utah beat Alabama. I look at Boise State when
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: they did the Statue of Liberty Dingy and they won,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: you know, big what where would those teams be if
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: there was a college football playoff then? And then I
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: look at it and I say, you know, if if
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: it is all about money, and if it is all
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: about an arms race to see who can spend the
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: most and spend the most, well, then how doesn't this
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: becomes uh, you know, just something that it's almost close
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: to a formula. Now, obviously it's not a zero sum game,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 5: but you can then pretty much say that as long
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 5: as you invast x amount of money, you know, more
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 5: oft than not, you're going to get a Big twelve championship,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: you're going to get, you know, a bid for the
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  Speaker 5: college football playoffs. Now there's also the example of Kentucky
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: basketball that spent you know, a crep ton of money
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: this year on their roster and Mark Bolp is having
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: a terrible season. But more oft than not, you're going
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: to spend the money, and you know things are going
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  Speaker 5: to work out, And which is why I said what
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  Speaker 5: I said, I fully believe that in my lifetime a
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  Speaker 5: school like BYU who has gone all in on NIL,
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  Speaker 5: a school like Indiana, a school like Utah, and a
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  Speaker 5: school like they just name it, you know, I wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: be surprised Sean if U and LV basketball some way,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: somehow got back to the glory days of the early
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 5: nineties with crazy nil money. That's just that's just the
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 5: environment we're in right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like even more so in basketball, the
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: upward mobility is possible because just the way the numbers
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: work out, you need like three really great basketball players
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: and now you're in a different conversation and football, you
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: still got to have, you know, twenty two starters and
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  Speaker 3: you better make sure that at least ten of those
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: guys are elite players if you want to have a
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  Speaker 3: truly great team. So look, BYU basketball has been proof
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  Speaker 3: of this concept. They've really elevated themselves on the national
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  Speaker 3: stage with NIL and with you know, a big time
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: coaching higher that I know took them a lot of
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: resources to secure and to extend, and now they've got
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: this journey through the Big Twelve starting off very successfully.
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  Speaker 3: They finally lost the game on the road at Texas Tech.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I was having a conversation after Utah
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  Speaker 3: played Texas Tech, and the person I was talking to says, look,
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  Speaker 3: I've seen BYU and I've seen Tech Texas Tech. Texas
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  Speaker 3: Tech is the best team that Utah is going to
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  Speaker 3: face this year in the Big Twelve Conference. Now that
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: you've seen them up against BYU, how do you rate
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  Speaker 3: the Red Raiders on the basketball floor?
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  Speaker 5: That is a bold statement. You know, I am looking
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  Speaker 5: at a Utah schedule, and you know Utah played Arizona,
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  Speaker 5: so you know, I think that's a bold statement. But
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  Speaker 5: I will say this, Shawn, between Arizona, Iowa, Stay, Texas Tech,
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  Speaker 5: BYU and now Kansas, right, I think I think short
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  Speaker 5: for the longest time, all of us are like, what
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  Speaker 5: the heck is Derek Peters are never going to play
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  Speaker 5: a game this season, right.
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  Speaker 7: And so and so?
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  Speaker 5: Now that he's back, I mean, my goodness, gracious, you
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: know Kansas is looking good and we haven't even mentioned Houston.
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  Speaker 5: So I think those are five six teams that are
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  Speaker 5: very challenging, and both by U and Utah play both
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  Speaker 5: of them. But what I do find intro thing is
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  Speaker 5: I look at I look at the way Utah played TCU, right,
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  Speaker 5: and Utah want to close one by you want to
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: close one against the horned frogs. And then you look
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  Speaker 5: the way that that that that both by U and
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 5: Utah played at Texas Tech right where. You know, the
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: score was kind of the same. You know about a
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  Speaker 5: thirteen fourteen point loss a Texas tack is just good man,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: you know, like watching the game on Saturday, you could
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  Speaker 5: tell by you hung with them into the thirty minute mark,
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  Speaker 5: and then you know, BUYU they had some issues AJS
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: two recovering for a sickness. You know, Richie didn't play
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  Speaker 5: particularly well. Rob Ryt was probably the best out of
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: the BUYU Big three. They're calling them the break three,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: you know, but I think he was the best one.
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  Speaker 5: But buy you just the supporting cast is just none
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  Speaker 5: existent right now, right Keba Keta is not a score obviously,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: when Keba scores and and and thus pull back dunks
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: and he is able to have a good offensive game,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: you know, if Keva can gets you know, if if
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: Kevic can get ten points a game, I think that's huge.
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  Speaker 5: But that's just not the reality right now. And then
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: and then outside shooting, BUYU brought a couple of guys
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  Speaker 5: in last year and this year that just are you know,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 5: they're just not delivering right, and and to me that's
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  Speaker 5: the bigger issue. And so uh that's to me watching
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 5: the game against Texas Tack because of all of that,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 5: and then Texas Tack was able to go a notch above.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: Texas Tack really hung with Buyu into about the nine
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 5: eight minute market in the second half and then boom
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: they went somewhere the b YU couldn't get. You know,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 5: could we even say that Kevin Young got out coached?
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: Maybe yes, maybe no? Right, as a former player, I
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: will say this, you could tell that Kevin well, you know,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: Kevin didn't call a time out for a while to
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 5: kind of stop the bleeding. And people are like, well,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: he got out coach, he should have stopped. But that's
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: a double edged sword because a really good coach, you know,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: trust their team to be able to go and try
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: to figure things out on their own. And so but
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: it was a great game. And again, right, I mean,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: you look at Utah's loss and BYU's loss to Texas Tech.
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  Speaker 5: It's not like you lost to Colorado State. You know
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying. It's not like you went up to
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: Ioming and you lost there. I mean you lost to
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  Speaker 5: the number fifteen team in the country, and so, you know,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: not a terrible loss for either by U or Utah.
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  Speaker 2: I Mean, one other thing that we're going to keep
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: talking about with Texas Tech in football and in basketball
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  Speaker 2: is the athletes that they have on both of those rosters,
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  Speaker 2: and that can create matchup problems.
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  Speaker 3: It certainly has for the University of Utah. Are hyper
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: athletic teams going to be a matchup problem for BYU
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: basketball because they've got some hyper athletes.
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  Speaker 2: It's not top to bottom on the roster.
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  Speaker 5: Though, So I mean, yeats in no, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I think we're at a point where we've seen, you know,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: I would even include Terrence Brown on that category that
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 5: it just doesn't matter who you play against sometimes you
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: just got it right. And and I would very much
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: put Terrence Brown at you know, at at the same
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: or very darn close to the level of Robert Wright,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: Richie Saunders, and A. J.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: Debonts.
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  Speaker 5: So obviously AJ is probably a step above everybody because
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 5: he's the number one pick, right, But Terrence Brown, what
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: I saw from him when by you played Utah was incredible.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: What I saw from him against Texas Tack was really good. Right,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: Maybe just didn't shoot the threes too well, but aside
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: from that, just a solid overall performance to care the ball,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 5: you know, a two to one assist the turnover ratio,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: and so I just think that again to your point, Sean, right,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 5: it is Let's let's just.
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  Speaker 7: Put it this way.
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  Speaker 5: It's less difficult to construct a really successful college basketball
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 5: roster in this day and age because you probably pay
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 5: one or two studs, you know, over a million, and
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 5: then you pay another two guys close to that that
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: are just really really good, fill out your team with
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 5: another two or three rotation players with about you know,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: four or five hundred thousand, and kaboom, you have a
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 5: seven man rotation that can probably get you the Sweet sixteen.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: And so obviously it's easier said and done, and you
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: have a lot of you know, variables that you don't control,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: that you have to account for, you know. But you know,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 5: I look at those six teams I mentioned, right, Arizona, Houston, Iowa,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 5: Stay BYU and Dan Texas stack right, and I just
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: think that the level of talent and athleticism. To your point,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 5: they are at a step above everybody else where. Most
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: teams maybe have one player that level, you know, in
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 5: Utah's cases, Terrence Brown, but a lot of the teams
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: don't have one at that level.
• 1:14:00
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  Speaker 3: our friends down at Murdock Ford, Santa Quinn. So, this
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: is a pretty tough stretch for BYU basketball. Four out
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: of six are against top twenty five teams. You've got
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: Arizona right after another in state rivalry game, you got
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: Houston at the tail end of this tough six game stretch.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: And when you've got four out of six against ranked
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: teams and then the other one is an in state
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: rival that's always at least emotional, even if you are
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: the better team and you're on your home floor, I mean,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: that could be an exhausting little run for this BYU team.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: So as we look forward to this weekend and another
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: matchup with Utah, obviously BYU successful eighty nine eighty four
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: the first time out, and that was on Utah's home floor.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: What do you need to see the Kougs do against
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: the running Uts to make this one, I don't know, easier,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: less close, less of a fight.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 5: So I will say this, I I'll answer your question
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: in a different way that hopefully makes sense. I don't
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: care if BYU beats Utah by one or ten. What
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 5: I personally want to see is I want to see
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 5: non Big three players score more than thirty five points.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: And to me, that becomes the key of every single
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: game that BYU plays, because you already know that AJ
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 5: and Richie and Rob are going to have you know,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: sixty seventy eighty percent of the points, and that's fine.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 5: But at a certain point in time, Sean, some of
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: these guys, you know, as they say on the Wolf
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: of Wall Street, you know, the roosters come home to
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 5: roost or whatever is the expression that it says. But
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 5: you know, like the chickens are going to come home
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 5: to roosts. Some of these guys are getting one hundred
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: thousand dollars, two hundred thousand dollars, what are you getting
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: the money for? Because if you're shooting twenty five percent
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 5: from three, that's not good bye, Like that's terrible. And
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 5: so to me, Saturday's game against Utah. BYU has a
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: whole week to be able to get healthy and recover.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 5: And you know, let guys sleep on a hyperbar chair.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 5: You know, tint for all I care. But to me,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 5: the main thing is because becomes the supporting cast. I'm
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 5: not even talking about the danch. I'm talking about Canard
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 5: Davis is four to twenty six from the three point
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: line since Big twelve Big twelve Plays started. Mahailo is
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 5: playing about the same amount of minutes as you was
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 5: last year, and he's shooting less and you know his
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: percentages are lower. Tyler Moruss were truly brought in for
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 5: BYU to be able to knock down three pointers. He's
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 5: shooting less than thirty percent from three point line. And
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 5: so to me, the goal for Saturday is win the game.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: Make sure nobody gets hurt. Can we get someone not
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: named aj, non named Richie, and non named Rob to
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: be able to help with more than ten points? To me,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 5: sean in full transparency.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: And I know a lot of.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 5: YU fans don't like that I said this. I got
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 5: a slap on the risk from one of the networks
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 5: that I work with for seeing it. But my goodness, gracious,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: someone needs to step up, Sean, because these guys are
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: actually getting.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 7: Paid to do this.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: It's a weird dynamic now in college sports where you know,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: we used to be less critical, or you'd criticize performance,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: but you wouldn't call out individual players and things like that.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: And now we all have to adjust to the idea that,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: like we do it with the pros, we could do
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: it with the college athletes because they are pros, they're paid,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: they're highly compensated. It's a wild adjustment for everyone.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 5: And I couldn't agree more right, And you know, as
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 5: I got to BYU, and I came from Brazil, obviously
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 5: I never played professionally in Brazil. You know, the club
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: that I grew up for had a professional team, so
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 5: I was around pros and the notion that like, hey,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 5: you know, ticket sales is what funds our salaries, and
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 5: you know sponsorships is well fund our salaries. So you
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 5: are on a performance based, you know, situation where you
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: got to perform, you got to show up. So I've
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 5: always known that, you know, especially when I got to America,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 5: and it is difficult, right, I mean, you know, I've
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 5: never really hated NIL until and maybe that's a strong thing.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 5: I love N I L. I think the players should
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: get played. And I told this to my mother in
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: law yesterday. I never was like, wow, I really wish
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: I had an I L until last week. I was
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: at Buyu TV. I was preparing for one of the
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 5: games that we were doing and one of the interns
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 5: is a softball gal that that that it's interning. She
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 5: wants to be a journalist and so on, And we
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: did the map, Sean, and in one year at BUYU,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 5: she got more money than I did all of my
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: four years. You know, of colle now again, right, I've
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: always said this, Sean. You can go back to when
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 5: I you and I start our relationship back in the
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: dancy A tournament, you know, a couple of years ago.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: I have zero problem and I've always said that with
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 5: NIL and players getting paid. But you know, like I
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: broke a ton of records at BUYU, and you know, like,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: I mean, the only guy that's made more threes there
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: is a guy named Jim Or I can live with Dad.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: I was the winningest player when I graduated, and a
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 5: softball player made makes more than I did in my
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: four years. And I'm supposed to be okay and not
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 5: criticize a guy that's getting three hundred thousand dollars to
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: knock down three pointers and he's not. My patience has limits,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: and you know, I to your point, I've always been
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 5: very critical of players. But now the Pandora's boxes out,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: the genie is never going to go back in a bottle,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: and that's just the reality that we're in right now.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: It's a it's a crazy thing, and it's actually blessing
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: for me that I was never a good college athlete,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: because I would be bitter, right if I was a
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: great if I was a Jonathan Tabernari or I'm really
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: close friends with Jan Jorgensen, or if I was a
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: gym er for debt and I was not allowed to
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: be paid anything and I was generating that kind of
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: revenue and ticket sales and people were wearing my jersey
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: and I had nothing to show for it. But then
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: these kids do I would. I would not have such
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: a good mindset like you guys all seem to have.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: So it was a blessing for me that I was
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: a walk on, and I would be a walk on
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: now where you don't get anything, you know what I mean.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 5: I would say one thing, Sean, there was one thing
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: that I am I am bitter about and I am
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 5: jealous about. And I've been open about this. You know,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 5: I fight weight problems. I have weight issues. Like you know,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 5: I've gained over one hundred pounds since I've retired from basketball.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: And the one thing, Sean, more than anything, that really
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 5: hurts my heart and it makes me sad and I
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 5: have a bitterer towards the current situation is I had
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 5: any money to eat, right, I mean I had to
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 5: go to McDonald's and Burger King and Wendy's most of
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 5: my meals because I just didn't have the money for it, right.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I got a nine hundred dollars
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: nine hundred dollars check every month, and you know, four
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: hundred win to rent and then you know another one
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 5: hundred and fifty win on gas for me to drive around.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: I had a phone bill of about fifty seventy five bucks,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: and so like I was last with about four hundred
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: dollars a month, three hundred dollars a month for me
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: to be able to eat. And during season, you know,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: which is when I was always in my best shape
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 5: BYU like every other college supplemented that because we had
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 5: key meals and so on on the off season. Sean,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 5: it was difficult.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 7: It was tough.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: And so that is the one thing that I holded
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 5: that I think the way that colleges are supporting athletes
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 5: now with you know, meals and all of that type
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: of stuff, I think it's great and so and with
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: the money, Sean, you know, once we go on to
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: the next part of the next part of the plan,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: you know, we don't take anything with us really and honestly, Sean,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: relationships like I have with you with the media, where
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: I was able to have a four year career there,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 5: which nowadays, as you know, people just you know, people
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 5: just don't stay at a place for that long.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 5: To me, those mean more than having a couple of
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: million dollars in my account, which would be fantastic. But
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: you know me well enough to know that I mean
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 5: when I say that, and I think there are pros
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: and cons with both aspects of how it was and
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: how it is today.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, and man, I would I would. I
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: would play just for the food.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: Now, I like, you're right, they get taken care of
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: from a meal's perspective, but the genie will never go
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: back in the bottle. We'll keep talking about it with JT.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: Jonathan Tabernari. I always appreciate your time. Thank you my friend.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 5: Hey, I appreciate you and looking forward to to a
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: great battle on Saturday. It would be a fun.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: One to have it on our neck of the woods,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: this time running utes and by u Koog's Saturday at
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: the Marriott Center.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: That is a hostile environment and under the best circumstances
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: it will be so again on Saturday for Alex Jensen
• 1:23:13
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  Speaker 3: Valley Plumbing. Indiana quarterback named Mendoza is entering the transfer portal.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: You heard about it in James Sports Center Break Here.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: Alberto Mendoza is in the transfer portal. You saw him
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: last night on the postgame celebration quite a bit.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: Fernando's walking around.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: Everyone's interviewing him, stop at him, taking pictures with him,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: police escorting him.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: He's wearing number fifteen.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: And then the guy who looks a lot like him,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: wearing number sixteen, is.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: Following close behind or walking a little bit.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: And that's his brother. That's Berto, Alberto Mendoza. So he'll
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: be in the transfer portal. And if the storybook season
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: slash years continue for the Mendoza family, he's gonna end up.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: Maybe at Miami Heisman Trophy, the next Heisman Trophy winner
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: at Miami. The watch Mario Christobal be like, I'm not
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: making this mistake twice all right.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: It's just like, sorry, Mendoza family, I apologize. Maya Kulpa.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: We're gonna have this Darien Mensa guy come in.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: We're gonna pay him ten million dollars from Duke, and
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: then we're gonna have you be his backup and you
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: can step in up due to an injury and lead.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: Us to a national championship or something.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't, okay, So this would be This would
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: be really really hard to do if you're in a
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: situation where your brother is now a legend at that
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: school forever. Fernando Mendoza is the best, most decorated, most
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: significant player in the history of Indiana football, undoubtedly National champion,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: Heisman Trophy winner. If you're the younger brother, you're like, ah, man,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: I really love that I got a national championship here.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: It's been really cool to be part of this. I
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: have to leave, though, even if even if they didn't
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: bring in Hoover to be the heir apparent at the
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: quarterback position, even if the coaching staff wasn't effectively telling you, like,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: you're not gonna be our starter next year, to live
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: in the shadow of your brother who has just done
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: that at Indiana would be a really really tough thing.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: But it also be so hard to walk away from
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: that special season.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: He's doing it. We'll see where he ends up. Yeah, I,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: By the way, transfer portal. When the transfer portal is closed,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: what are you talking about? Remember Miami players and Indiana players,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: they get an extra five.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: Days they get till Saturday is when it closes. So yeah,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: and I I would think that if I were Alberto,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: I'd want to have a chance to compete for the
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: starting job. Hey, my brother's gone. Now I understand why
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: he got why he got the noot over me. Like
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: obviously that's understand Willia ends up winning the Heisman Trophy.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: He's awesome. But you do make a good point. That's
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: if you're not if you're not very good, or you're
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: or you are good, but you're not at up to
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: your brother's standard, that's probably that the weight of those
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 4: expectations is probably a lot, probably too much to stick around.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: And like you said, his decision was kind of made
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: for him when they went after Hoover and brought and
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: brought Hoover in from TCU via the portal. So uh,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: I do hope that he gets a shot. It would
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: be fun to see him start at a somewhat major
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: college football program and see if he doesn'ty good, will
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: see if the if there's something in the in the
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: bloodlines there we talked about this with Gordon chiz torn
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: acl for Jimmy Butler, they kept showing the replay over
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: and over on the screen in front of me.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: Here just a second ago. Always brutal to see something
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: like that. S's any injury for a player who seems
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: like he's kind of found a better home for himself
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: after being in battled at times earlier in his career
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: and maybe having some team chemistry and player chemistry and
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: coaches chemistry issues. A tough thing for the Golden State
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: Warriors and for Jimmy Butler. He's not getting younger, and
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: I know that the surgeries are a lot better, and
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: rehabs a lot better, and the drugs are a lot
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: better than they ever were, but it's tough to think
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: that he'll come back and be the same kind of
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: player that he.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: Was before this.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: So that stinks not as much as this next story
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: coming out of the Bay Area, though. Robert Sala, who
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: left the San Francisco forty nine ers what was it
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: four years ago to be the Jets head coach, came
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: back to be the defensive coordinator this past season. Was
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: a huge part of them overachieving after losing his two
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: best individual players for significant time season ending injuries for
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: Nicka and for Fred Warner. Robert Salaz still put together
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: a really solid campaign for that forty nine ers defense,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: and it was so impressive that now he's going to
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: be the Tennessee Titans head coach. You like seeing good
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: things happen for people when they have success. I just
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: this is a tough one because if you're Robert Sala,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: you obviously want this gig. You obviously want to be
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: a head coach. The Tennessee Titans are still, I think,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: pretty far away from having a top flight defense in
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: the National Football League.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: I think they're pretty far away.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: From being a playoff team potentially, And so you're leaving
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: a team that is just well, maybe it's the right time.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: Has been propping the Super Bowl window open with like
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: popsicle sticks and Q tips and toilet paper rolls, just
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: try and.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: Can we extend this a little bit more?
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: And unfortunately now it looks like it's kind of slamming closed.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: And I think that him leaving is another thing that
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: makes it slam closed even more. So hate to see
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: you go, Robert Sala. Good job this past season as
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: the defensive coordinator once again, for the San Francisco forty
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: nine ers. Good luck in Tennessee, and I am partial
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: by the way to Nashville. I think that Nashville is
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: one of those places that can be already is but
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: can be even more of a spectacular sports town.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: It's a really cool city.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: I recommend to everyone go visit if you have an
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: opportunity to do so. It's a place where the housing
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: is still somewhat affordable, a lot more expensive than it
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: was pre COVID, but still somewhat affordable. They've got an
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: NHL franchise, They've got an NFL franchise. They're doing the
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: new stadium thing for the Titans. It sounds like they're
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: probably gonna get a Major League Baseball franchise at this
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: around the time that Salt Lake will get a franchise,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: they're probably gonna get one in Nashville too. It seems
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: like that will be sort of the East Coast counterparts
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: or East of the Mississippi counterpart two, an expansion out
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: west that we obviously hope is going to be here
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: in Salt Lake City. Portland, people think that they still
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: have a chance.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: You don't, Portland, I mean, Dale Murphy, even you have
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: so low a chance that your celebrity baseball endorser switched
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: to our side.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: So I don't know about that. Smelly hippies, go shave
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: your armpits and maybe you'll have a chance. All right, Portland,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: We're gonna have to.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: Rub that into Jeff Schwartz in a little bit, even
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: though he's not a Portland guy, but just his association
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: with the state of Oregon.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: It's very funny because Jeff is so not Portland.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: Like, do you feel like Arlotte is where he's now
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: put down roots? Is it fits his vibe? Absolutely? Yeah, Yeah,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: Charlotte's dope. I really like I've ben to Charlotte. Is
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: he listening right now?
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 7: Oh?
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: He just texted me as we were saying Jeff Schwartz's name,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: he texted me, that's creepy. He said he needs He
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: said he needs to be off when he joins us
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: at one o'clock.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: He needs to be off by one twenty five.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: Okay, So I just responded, too bad, too bad, too bad.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: We have to keep the bid up where we get
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 4: you late, where you.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: Get to him late, and then keep him late. That's late.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: It's I'm an unprofessional radio host. Everyone knows that.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, but so Robert Salad to get back
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: to Tennessee. Robert Sala leaving San Francisco, which is, at
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: one point San Francisco was America's greatest city. I don't
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: know that that's true anymore because of how screwed up
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: the whole political system is there, and how they've let
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: a lot of homelessness and drug abuse and things like
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: that become normalized in the city proper. But the Bay
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: Area is about as good as it gets in America.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: So to leave that, you better be giving me a
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: cool spot. I wouldn't do it for the Jets. I mean,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: probably to be a head coach, I would.
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  Speaker 2: But New York.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: No, Nashville, all right, Robert Sala, I get it, Nashville's cool.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: I obviously I'm not criticizing Robert Sala for taking this job,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: but I just I'm kind of criticizing the Titans, like
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: there was no end.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, maybe the Jets. Maybe it's just the stink of
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: that franchise. It's just not going to work for anybody.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: But he just showed us nothing to say, Yeah, this guy,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 4: this guy is the guy you want as a head coach.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: Maybe actually, maybe Robert sala is playing chess where everyone
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: else is playing checkers. Maybe he was like, look, I
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: don't know what it's like to be a head coach,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: so I'm gonna take this Jets job because even if
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: I fail, they don't blame me.
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  Speaker 2: They will blame the organization.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: That's how bad the Jets are to where you can
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: be bad at the job and it's not your fault.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: You have the minds of fans, insiders other franchises. Even so,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: maybe it's the perfect first time head.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: Coach job to be with the Jets because people are
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: just like, well, yeah, but he was with the Jets.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: Look how bad They've screwed up every player, and so
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: they screw up every coach too. It's not his fault
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: that they stink.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: It's the organization's fault that they stunk while he was
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: the head coach. Maybe that's like the actual strategic plan
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: for these guys.
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  Speaker 4: And listen, I got nothing against Salah. I hope he
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: proves me wrong. I just don't. I don't know if
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 4: I like this hire for the Titans, don't. I don't
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: know if I would if I were running a team,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: I'd want to hire that guy. I just, but I
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: hope he proves me wrong, because Titans are Titans can
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: be have shown they can be a much better franchise
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: than the Jets, have a lot more success, especially recently,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: and cam Ward is a really good player, and he yes,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: in theory he was going to have that in his
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: tenure with the Jets when they brought in Aaron Rodgers.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: That just didn't work out, cam You know, cam Ward
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: might Maybe having that kind of talented quarterback is one
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: of the big differences for Robert Sala in his success
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: this time around. I just I don't like the retread
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: of guys that were not very good at all before.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 4: You know, so I'm not sure that's why.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of the hire, but maybe he
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: proves me wrong.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know what Cody Barton's contract status is with Tennessee,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: but I think he's still with Tennessee. So Robert Sala
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: will be coaching former U linebacker Cody Barton. There's your
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: local connection. If you cared about that, got it. Got
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: to always bring in the local connection.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: A quick update on the fact I gets earlier, James,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: I feel bad about this when when we give nonsports facts.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: I'm wrong about sports facts all the time, so I
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  Speaker 3: don't feel a need to correct myself on those. When
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  Speaker 3: we're giving geography facts or cultural facts, I want to
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: make sure we get those right.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: It's about the deserts, it is, okay.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: So the Atacamma Desert is often referred to and generally
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: considered to be the driest place on Earth. Some areas
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: of the Atacamma Desert have had no precipitation for centuries. However, However,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: I did say it was the driest place on Earth.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: But there are places called the dry Valleys in Antarctica
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  Speaker 3: where apparently there's been no rain for nearly two million years.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, which, how do you know? Okay?
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: Science, yeah, science, getting that up. How do you know
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: there's been no rain for two million years?
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: How do you know? And how can that even be?
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: That it's covered in ice?
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: Of course there's been rain or this ice right here,
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: this this ice on top here, it's it's it's not
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: been touched for two million years by even one drop
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: of How do.
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  Speaker 2: You know that? Are we carbon dating ice?
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 7: Now?
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: Is that a thing we can do?
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  Speaker 3: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred can
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: we tell how old ice on the surface of Antarctica
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: is like the very top layer.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: In any case, that's crazy to two thousand years allegedly
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 4: that no precipitation in some parts of Antarctica. But when
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: you said no rain for centuries in the is it
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: auta Comma?
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  Speaker 7: Yes?
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: How you say that the Autacamma Desert in South America,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, that has to be the driest
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 4: place hunter two thousand years.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: You ask why is it so dry?
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: Well, because the Andes Mountains block the moisture from the Amazon.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: And then there's something called the Humboldt Current, which is cold.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: It prevents clouds from forming, so boom, no rain. They
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: have set up weather stations in the Atacama Desert that
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: have not since being set up, that have not registered
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: any precipitation at all.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: No rain. That's pretty wild.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: The McMurdo Dry Valley though, in Antarctica no rain for
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: almost two million years a million. They have something called
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: catabatic winds that pulled moisture away. There's snow free valleys,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: and they have saline lakes, so science studies those so
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: that they have like you know what, I gotta go
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: down here and I gotta check this out. I'm gonna
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: take a trip to Antarctica at some point in my life. Yeah,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to this McMurdo Dry Valley and see
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: what the forecast is like.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: You're gonna bring You're gonna.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 4: Buy all kinds of amateur weather equipment just to prove,
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: just to defunk correct. Well, my meter is showing they
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 4: got rain yesterday.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: This this weather thing that I got off of Amazon
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: for eighteen dollars says that this is fresh rain that
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: we got here at the McMurdo Dry Valley. It's actually rain.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: An hour ago you said you said million years. I
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: thought you said millennia, two million million years. Goodness, the
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: wrong mill you know, happens sometimes, it's really insane. So
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: Auto Comma, those are the two driest places in the
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: world probably.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, two driest places in the world Antarctica. Hey, did
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: you know this Antarctica technically a desert.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: It is the Atacama Desert has come to Utah for
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: this winter with no precipitation, but uh, hopefully not for long.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: I think actually we're supposed to get something like tomorrow,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: Is that right? Take that out of Comma Desert.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, no, no, there's no precipitation in the forecast.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, guys, high lied about that all right, A way
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: too early. Twenty twenty six Top twenty five is out
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  Speaker 3: for college football. Where does Indiana the national champion sit?
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: Where's Utah?
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you next on The Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN
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  Speaker 2: seven hundred and ninety two ONEFM.
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  Speaker 7: Another one.
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  Speaker 1: You were listening to The Sean O'Connell Show from the
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  Speaker 1: Murdoch Hyundai Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety two
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  Speaker 1: to one AF.
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  Speaker 2: Amy get another one, way too early Top twenty five
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  Speaker 2: here on the Sean O'Connell Show. Way too early, Top
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: twenty five for the twenty twenty six college football season.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: Last night, crowned champion in Indiana. Jeff Schwartz is going
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: to join us in about three minutes to discuss Number
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: one according to ESPN for next year is Indiana. They
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: lose Mendoza, they lose Elijah Surratt, they lose Pat Coogan
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: the Senate, they lose Roman Hemby Stephen Daily. They're All
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: American linebacker Adan Fisher, the first All American linebacker I've
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: ever had. And they're strong safety Lewis Moore. But they've
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: done great work in the transfer portal. They're bringing in
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: Josh Hoover. We already talked about that. They like the
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: Turbo Richard guy out of Boston College. He'll be playing
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: running back next year. And they still have Kurt Signetti.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: So Indiana number one in the way, it's really top
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: twenty five for next season. Texas two, Notre Dame three,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: Georgia four, Oregon five according to ESPN.
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  Speaker 4: Wait, wait, where's where's the Buckeyes?
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: Number six? You're Ohio State. Buck guys. Number seven. The
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: highest ranked Big twelve team Texas Tech, who obviously got
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: Brendon Sorosby to replace the departing Baron Morton. We think
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: that's an upgrade. I think the bigger question is what
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: are you going to do with the defensive line. You
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: have to rebuild your defensive line that was so so
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 3: good for you this year. Jacob Rodriguez is leaving, but
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: number seven for Texas Tech, the runner up from twenty
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: twenty five. Miami Hurricanes are the number eight team in
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty six according to ESPN. And remember these preseason
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: polls are always very very accurate.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: By the end of the year, so.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: BYUS comes in at number eleven. They're the second highest
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: ranked Big twelve team after they did not lose much
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: in the transfer portal or to graduation, and then TCU
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: at number twenty. Interestingly enough, the next Big twelve team
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: to make an appearance Arizona State and number twenty three,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: even after losing Sam Levitt and number twenty five. University
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: of Utah key starters gone. You know who all these
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: people are?
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: Fono, Lomu, Dallan Bentley, Smith Snowden, JJ Buchanan, Jonah Leah AA,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: John Henry, Daily, Ryan Davis, Lander, Barton Logan Fano all gone.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: But you got dev back. You got bird back.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: You've got a new outlook on an offense that will
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: once again retool reshift under Kevin mcgiven. You're bringing in
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: a better wide receiving corps than you had last year.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: That's I don't know about any of the other position groups,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: but you know that your wide receiving corps is actually
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: on paper, more productive than what you were bringing back
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: last year. You had like one hundred yards of total
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: offense in your wide receiving corps last year. That's a
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: bad number, and you still ended up with a ten
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: win season. So ESPN says Utah will be the number
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: twenty five team in the country according to.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: Their way way too early top twenty five rankings.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 4: The other thing I think reason for optimism offensively oc Yes,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 4: you don't have Jason Beck anymore. That's obviously you hope
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 4: Kevin mcgiven, and there's signs that he'll be that he'll
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 4: also be a really good offensive coordinator.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: But losing.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: Maybe the best offensive coordinator that you just had in
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 4: a little while here, certainly since the PACDAL championship years
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 4: is a big deal. But other than other than JJ
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 4: Buchanan and and Celesie Moa was a guy that was
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 4: gonna probably play both ways, probably play some wide receiver,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: some cornerback.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: Hopefully not because honestly that was that hasn't been a
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: good experiment for Utah. I don't want that to be
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: a thing Morgan Scalley does too much of. That was
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: the thought as a possibility though they were gonna maybe
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: he would have been a receiver, maybe would have been
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: a corner Maybe we've played some of both. But you
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: lose those two guys they didn't and then you lose
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: some guys to graduation and it lose anyone else on
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: the offensive side, uh, through the transfer portal.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken. Oh see, if Daniel Bray was
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: a guy we all circled, is like, that's a big
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 4: guy to keep. They they're keeping him way Shawn Parker,
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: they're keeping him the quarterbacks obviously a huge deal. They're
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 4: keeping him. So I there's.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: I feel like, quietly, that's a big win for Morgan Scalley,
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: the new offensive coordinator, Kevin McGivern and and the rest
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: of the offensive staff for them to Yes, you lost
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: a good amount of key players in the transfer portal,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: but you kept basically all of your top offensive players
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: besides JJ Buchannon. I think that's a win. Well, we
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: hope that's how it works out. That's your way way
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 3: too early. Top twenty five take a quick one here out.
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  Speaker 3: Number three starts with Jeff Schwartz recapping the national championship
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: and looking ahead to conference championship weekend in the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: It's a Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven hundred and
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  Speaker 3: ninety TWOEFM.
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  Speaker 1: We No, this is the Sean O'Connell Show. You were
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  Speaker 1: seven hundred ninety two to one A f am.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell show. Welcome in Jeff Schwartz,
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  Speaker 2: former Oregon Duck, longtime NFL veteran college football and NFL expert,
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz.
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  Speaker 7: Hello, can we now admit that Michael Irvin thing was?
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 7: It was a little creepy? Like are we allowed to
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 7: be done with? Are we allowed to admit that now
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 7: that the game the game's over last night?
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: What creepy thing?
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 7: Just the Michael Irvan Miami thing, Like why is he
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 7: on the sidelines pep talking the guys during the game
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 7: but he's not You're not coach, buddy, Like what do
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 7: we the belt? The belt to the belt to taking
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 7: the belt off and beating the opponent's shirt after the game.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 8: It's sut.
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  Speaker 2: I've never met Michael Irvin. He seems like an absolute
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: wild card to me, of the highest order, Like he
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: would be the most unpredictable person you could be around.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think I messed that personality.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 3: I think that's probably a safe bet, knowing what I know,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: about you.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 7: I think that you might have a hard time. The
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 7: funny part of my wife and Michael Irvan would probably.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: Be best friends opposite to tract, and that's why you
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: ended up.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: With the female version of that as your wife.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 7: Another day, she just decided like, we're just we're just
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 7: getting rid of all the rugs in the house.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 9: We can you're just getting rid of about your rugs.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 9: She just like like, move all the furniture and took
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 9: them all out. She's anti rug now, or she's she
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 9: just wanted to order new ones.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, got it, got it.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 7: It's just it's just an insane person.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I know what that's like. Different.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 7: Yes, but we all we marry the same person.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 3: Yes, incredible, all right, So they did it. Indiana caps
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: off one of the most impressive seasons in the history
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: of college football. Is it the most Is it better
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: than the Joe Burrow LSU team?
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 7: No, they're not the best team we would ever ever championship.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 7: It's the most probable championship in the history of the sport.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 7: Though those are two different things, obviously, Yeah, and they're
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 7: they're not the same thing. They're not better than the
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 7: nine twenty nineteen LSU I mean, I think that it's
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 7: fair to say they're one of the best teams. Ever.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 7: What they did is the most improbable thing we might
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 7: ever see in the history of the sport. I don't
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 7: think there's another Indiana. It's even hard to put into
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 7: words what this was. I mean, it's just so unpresident
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 7: And you know, we have had a formula to win
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 7: in this sport for one hundred years. It's you have
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 7: more pro players than I do. Right, That's that's what
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 7: wins in the end. And yeah, it doesn't Netty said
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 7: it yesterday. They don't have a bunch of pro guys.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 7: It's not supposed to happen this way, and it did,
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 7: and a resounding way. They didn't. They didn't trail the
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 7: entire college football Playoff. It's it's it's remarkable what they did.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 7: And they won every big moment, although it was interesting,
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 7: like you know, near the end of that game, they
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 7: did sort of start to have some of those faltering moments.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 7: Right the offense, Livemon jumped off sides on second and
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 7: one that would have won them the game, and of
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 7: course that shields Mara Cristobal from the mistake he made.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 7: He should jumped off sides himself and gotten the first down,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 7: they would have extended the game a little bit longer.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 7: He didn't do that, but the false start obviously helped.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 7: And I mean there were a little bit of cracks
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 7: and the perfectness of Indiana dropped one pass in this game.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 7: Other than that, they won every high leveraged situation there was,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 7: you know, postgame win expectancy. I like to use it
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 7: just a tool, right to look at it had Indiana
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 7: fourteen percent. Wow, probably too honestly, probably a little too low.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 7: But the fact is, like Miami success rate was better Indiana.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 7: Miami's offense second half was great. It just they bought
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 7: the punt they missed Indiana did and Miam missed the
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 7: field goal. Like these little moments that Indiana Indiana won
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 7: fourth down, those little moments make the difference. And that's
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 7: that's what difference in this game was.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 3: So you already pointed out Astuteley that the formula has
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: been like we have more ten to you, more pro
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: guys than you, We're gonna win. If Indiana is not
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: the case this year, do they need to be moving
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: forward or is like Kurt Signetti, enough of a trump card.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: Is this group of guys that had so much experience,
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: and a lot was made about their age and how
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: many of them, even in a transfer portal era, have
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: played for Kurt Signetti or played together for a long time.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 3: Is is Indiana gonna be able to do it moving
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: forward differently than teams have for years? Or by winning
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: a national championship? Do they now put themselves in that
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 3: same category as Ohio State in Michigan and Miami and
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 3: Oklahoma and whoever else, so that they can get those
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: four and five star guys that they didn't need to
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: win this one, but now they can get them.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 7: I think this level of success they had this year
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 7: is pretty tough to do it again in this way.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 7: So a couple couple of more couple of things I
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 7: think all play a role in this. First is that
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 7: Signetti has worked with these coordinators for like fifteen years
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 7: at least. It's OC right, they've been together for many
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 7: many years, So there's a comfort level of knowledge and
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 7: system and what they do there that might be different.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 7: You know when those I would imagine they're OC will
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 7: be the head coach job next season, right or in
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 7: two years from now? Okay, So that's one thing right,
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 7: This staff has been together for a long time. Hard
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 7: to do in collegrooble, right, because most of the times
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 7: your coordinators leave. But as he's moved up in ranks
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 7: as corners, I've stayed with him. So it's really awesome.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 7: Two is the JMU thing. So look, the guys he
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 7: brought with him from JMU are all superstars that you
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 7: probably don't hit a home run rate in the portal
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 7: like that, moving forward from a from a power to
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 7: be a group of five school right like that, just
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 7: Signetti just knew the guys he had on the roster.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 7: Now you could argue, of course, that you're bringing more
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 7: talented players on the whole with and I agree with
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 7: that obviously, right, But the fact is, like these jam
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 7: you guys, he just hit it right. He gets the
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 7: perfect quarterback, He gets a season where they lost one
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 7: fumble in the first quarter of the game a game one,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 7: I should say, and didn't lose to fumble the rest
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 7: of the season.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, those old Dominions the only team that recovered a
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: fumble against Indiana in a whole year.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 7: So I think all these things sort of like came
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 7: together at once, and I don't think they can do
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 7: it again. I don't. I don't know. They can do
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 7: it again in a different form, of course they can.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 7: You know Mendoza yesterday, how many perfect backslor phase did
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 7: he throw? Shots? Is Josh suver their new Is he
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 7: doing the same?
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 5: Is he?
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 7: Is it gonna be exactly the same, He's gonna throw
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 7: perfect passes every single time, like you know what I mean?
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 7: Like like those are questions that I just naturally have.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 7: They got really everything to go their way this year.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 7: There's other wrong with they earned it, they earned they
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 7: earned the luck that they got. But every four down
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 7: they needed this year they got it right. Every stop
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 7: they needed, they got it. And so that's why I
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 7: think it's it's tough to sustain. This's why I give
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 7: you know, Georgia and Alabama and Clemson, all these teams
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 7: that have won multiple championships Like there, it's just really
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 7: really hard to do this again. That's why the blue
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 7: tip ratios is so important, I think, because it is
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 7: repeatable if you have the really good players to do that,
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 7: and I think Indiana is getting those players now right,
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 7: and then your marginim err is a little bit a
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 7: little bit less because you have just better players in general.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 7: So I don't. I don't think this is repeatable. They
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 7: can certainly win again with better football players, but the
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 7: caliber players they have now, I don't think they can
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 7: do this again without you know enough, pro guys.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: Is the Big Ten now the best conference in college football?
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 3: Can we stop with the the SEC conversation of well
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: it's just me means.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: More three in a row for the Big Ten.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: You look at the top the end of the season rankings,
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: the top teams are Big Ten teams. The money seems
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: to be equal, just as impressive, the talent distribution, all
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: those things as the SEC lost its its tight grip
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: on supremacy in college football.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 7: Yes, can I tell you my theory? Why? And SEC
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 7: fans so some of my left don't like my theory,
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 7: but I think my theory is pretty good. So the
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 7: Big Time is a conference that has tended to pride
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 7: itself on doing things the right way right, And of
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 7: course there's been scandals, but you know that's like, you know,
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 7: they do things the right way right. We do it
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 7: with honor and integery and all those things right, all
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 7: those catchphrases. And I think they truly do believe that, right,
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 7: They really believe that and While I'm sure that some
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 7: players were getting paid, I think a lot of the
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 7: Big Ten schools before nil were just abstaining from that.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 7: It wasn't allowed, right, wasn't I'm gonna get caught a
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 7: recruiting scandal. Just wasn't allowed. And they've always had money
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 7: in the boosters, but they've been unwilling to spend the
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 7: money because it wasn't allowed. As soon as it became legal,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 7: guess who showed up all the rich boosters in all
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 7: these schools, and Indiana has has the most alumni in
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 7: the country. And then if you look at the top
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 7: other schools, that's Michigan, Ohio State Pens. It's all these
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 7: Midwestern schools. They've got a ton of money. And I
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 7: think this is a big reason I think they. I
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 7: think that when it became legal, the boosters of the
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 7: Big Ten decided, I want to hop in down. Look
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 7: for a lot of these guys, it's just fun money, right,
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 7: Like Mark Cuban's spending five million dollars even won a championship,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 7: of course, but he doesn't notice that money's gone. So
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 7: it's But I think that until it became legal, boosters
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 7: in the Big Ten didn't rush to do this where
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 7: in the SEC very famously they have paid a lot
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 7: of players over the years. I think that's a big
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 7: thing now where because it's legal, you're just getting a
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 7: lot of even just you know, imagine, you know, India
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 7: has eight hundred thousand living alumni. Now it's not everyone's
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 7: but imagine my daughter so sorry, imagine like we're dog friendly.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 7: Imagine like you know, I don't know a fracture of
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 7: those people donating twenty dollars apiece. You know, like it's
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 7: a bigger group of people to donate money now, and
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 7: now that they won, the money feels like it's it's
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 7: worth donating right now that they won, Maybe other schools
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 7: are I we gotta spend a little bit more to
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 7: catch up. So I'm the big ten with nil with
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 7: the portal. With winning the last week championships, they've absolutely
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 7: positioned themselves as the best in the sport.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 3: I didn't know what would happen for a place like
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: Indiana you and I were doing radio. I did know
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 3: what would happen for BYU once it was allowed that
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 3: a team like BYU would have boosters that wanted to
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 3: pay for it. And now Indiana and maybe I don't
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: know Wisconsin, Purdue, whoever else gets on board with this.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 3: It certainly can change the landscape of college football, and
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: I think it has in terms of the Big Ten
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: elevating itself above the SEC.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: And the SEC is real mad about it right now.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 7: Which oh, I love it so much, angry.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: And like even Nick Saban, it was just like, why
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: would they ever want to leave the South only to
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: get paid? It's like, dude, you paid players?
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 7: Did the Saban thing is weird? Did did him and
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 7: Signetty have a falling out? Like, what's the what's the
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 7: thing here? Because he seems like he seems to not
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 7: like him very much.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: Well, I think I think what what happened is that
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: Kurt Signetti left his staff to take a job that
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 3: was inferior to the job he had on Saban's staff,
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 3: and Saban knew that, but he wanted to be in charge.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: He took some podunk crap.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: Like an ai A job, right it was, yeah, And
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: I think that I think that was insulting to Nick
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: Saban because he's like, you don't have to do this.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: You can stay on staff with me and then your
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: next you know, stay long enough, your next job will
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: be Georgia. Your next job will be at least like
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: a place maybe Virginia. And I think that Kurtzignetti was
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 3: just like, no, I've learned what I need to learn.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: I'm gone.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: I think he left earlier than Nick Saban thought he
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: was ready to leave. And you know, he's not a
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: guy who's used to being defied, which is probably enough
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 3: to add a little tension to that relationship.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a good point. I just think it's oddly
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 7: he doesn't he picked Miami last night. I just thought
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 7: that he just seemed to not like him. I just
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 7: find it so odd and maybe that's the reason why
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 7: there's a little bit of tension that he that he
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 7: left so uh very very fascinating.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, super interesting stuff. What happens to Miami now.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 7: Well, they gotta find a way to get the Mensa kid, right,
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 7: I mean they're they're suing. Uh, Duke is now suing.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 3: So it was just announced Duke is suing Darien Mensa
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 3: to try to keep him from entering the transfer portal.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 7: I think both of those pass rushers are gone, right,
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 7: Bine and Messidor, Yes, So you gotta find new ones
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 7: because they they they were who they're bad men. Last night, man,
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 7: they were who They're making life really tough at Mendoza.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 7: Mensa is better than Beck, so that'll be that. That'll
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 7: be improvement for them there. But I mean, it's about
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 7: just finding the next replacement for guys. It's hard. Mario Crystal,
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 7: I think said this yesterday. Everyone says, yo, you just
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 7: get back, and he's like, no, no, it's hard to
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 7: just get back. There's no guarantee that we'll be back
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 7: next year. But they play in a conference that sort
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 7: of allows them, i think, to an opportunity to get
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 7: some an easier path to get there. They have to
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 7: go and do.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: It all right.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 3: Switching gears with Jeff Schwartz. Here to the NFL playoffs
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 3: coming up this weekend. Let's let's the Broncos are the
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 3: de facto home team here for Salt Lake City, and
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 3: everyone's really pumped.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of uts on that roster.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 3: I know, you like Bo Nicks and somehow he broke
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 3: his ankle kneeling.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 7: The ball suck well before that, but sure, yeah it sucks.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 3: That's terrible. So now they've got to try to do
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: it with Jared Stidham. Is it really close?
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: To possible.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 7: Yes, it's against the new old team. Absolutely, yes, I
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 7: think it is. I'm gonna actually pick Denver to win
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 7: by the end of the of the week. I look
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 7: so a couple of things I think play play a
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 7: role here. Sean Payne has had actually a lot of
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 7: successive backup quarterbacks in New Orleans. Remember Teddy Bridgewater won
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 7: a lot of games for him. Now Jase is not
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 7: Teddy Bridgewaller, So it's not you know, that's not really
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 7: apples to apples. But we know that he can design
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 7: a game plan that works, like we see. We know
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 7: he's good offense coordinator, like we know that, right, So
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 7: that's a positive right there. If Dobbins comes back, you
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 7: got to feel much much better about their chances. Now
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 7: he's gonna come back healthy because I think they're the
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 7: The weekness of the offense is they're running backs, not
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 7: the run game. They have good offensive linemen, they just
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 7: don't have good running backs. And you know, Harvey's young
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 7: and small, and so is McLoughlin. He fumbled that ball
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 7: ro in that game, Like there's there's room for improvement
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 7: a running back. But Dobbins comes back, you feel great
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 7: about it and then defensively, you have a good defense
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 7: and and look Drake may his it's his first road
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 7: playoff game. Sean, It's like it's it's a big deal
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 7: on the road. Their offense has not been very crisp
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 7: so far in the in the postseason. So yeah, they
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 7: can absolutely win this game.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: Who else is gonna win? Uh? I?
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 7: Well, so the Rams. It's one of those things where
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 7: if they play their best game, they're gonna win. But
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 7: they haven't played their best game and maybe all season
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 7: they they they they have the opportunity if if they
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 7: play their best game, they will they beat Seattle's best,
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 7: but they just often this year haven't done that. So
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 7: I I I think Seattle wins until I was on there.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 7: I've been on the Rams like for a long time.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 7: This this year, I just I gotta I gotta see
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 7: them play their best game. Man, they haven't done it yet.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 3: Sam Darnold is gonna be in the Super Bowl. What
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 3: will it's about the NFL? What we'll say about all
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 3: the teams that Sam Donald played for in the past.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: If he can win a Super Bowl in Seattle.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 7: I mean, I I think my same as Indiana that
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 7: there's just no long lasting takeaway other than this was
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 7: his year to do it, Like what what what's the takeaway?
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know if there is one, like I I
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 3: we we saw Sam Donald's first real game here in
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 3: Salt Lake City when he was a freshman at USC,
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 3: and he was amazing. USC ended up losing that game,
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 3: but not it wasn't his fault as a true freshman.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: He's an excellent player.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: But you know, then you see this happen where guys
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 3: transition to the NFL and it just doesn't fit, doesn't work,
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 3: doesn't fit, doesn't work. And now twice Seattle has been
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 3: the place where guys have a career resurgence and Sam
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 3: Donald is taking it even further than Geno Sminton.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I just don't. I just I don't think there's
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 7: any long last like Minnesota wasn't when he had championship
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 7: with Sam Donald. They tried last year and he failed
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 7: twice in those games. So I just I don't think
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 7: that it will change fundamentally, Like how teams pick up quarterbacks.
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 7: I think that obviously they might regret getting rid of
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 7: them the Viking as well, But no, I mean, no
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 7: one's gonna be like, oh, let me get Malik Willis.
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 7: I mean, who's the next I don't know if there
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 7: is one. There's to me, there's no next Sam Donald.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 7: So it's like there's no next Indiana. There's just no
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 7: next Indiana. There's just not gonna happen. Now, maybe someone
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 7: wins out of nowhere, that's only fair to say, but
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 7: there's just no next Indiana. It's just not gonna happen.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: All right. I know you're up against it here. We
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: gotta let you go in just a second. But is
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: Robert Sala a good hire for the Tennessee Titans.
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 7: I think he's I don't know. I think that's fine.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: I love him as a defensive coordinator.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 3: James made the point earlier that we didn't really like
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 3: the Jets are a crap organization, so I don't know
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 3: if anyone's gonna succeed there, but correct, I don't think
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 3: he showed us anything in New York where it's like, yeah,
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 3: somebody else will be great with him.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 7: Well, look you give him cam Ward. It was talking
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 7: about Brian Dabell being as oc he run the defense
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 7: like it's it's not the worst idea. I think it's
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 7: fair to say that the Jets don't get everyone opportunity
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 7: to win, So give him a chance.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 3: Elsewhere Jeff Halfley, do you have any thoughts on him?
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 7: And then feel a great higher But I mean, it's
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 7: the opposite of Mike McDaniel, Right, You've got a defensive
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 7: minded coach. So that's I believe is what happens. The
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 7: opposite of the.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: Coach you just had is John Harbaugh. Now that it's officials,
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 2: he gonna win big in New York.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 7: I gotta see it was oc Is first. I think
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 7: that's gonna be Todd Monket. I like that a lot.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 7: I think what Harbad does is he gives them a
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 7: level stability that position they haven't had it just years
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 7: and years and years. They're one of the worst franchises
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 7: in the last five years, and he gives them stability
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 7: where you know at the baseline you're gonna have a
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 7: team that is well prepared. Well, there was you know,
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 7: there was reports that, uh, you know, the Giants are
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 7: just but so far behind analytically and that Horribaugh when
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 7: he got there. Part of the hold up and why
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 7: he wasn't signed was that that they hated like they
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 7: get revamped the analytics apart, like all this stuff with
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 7: the Giants are just not quite the same as other organizations.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 7: They're sort of slow to move in those categories. So
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 7: hard Bunch is adding that what will be a difference
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 7: in my mind that it looks with superwol Jackson. I
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 7: don't know, but they justly a level of professionalism at
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 7: that position. They didn't have it they ever, just haven't
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 7: had in years.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 3: All right, uh, over time, but only by a thirty seconds.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 3: So I'll let you go, dude, thank you.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I believe it or not. I have work to do.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 7: It's it's so.
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  Speaker 2: Dumb that sounds blame.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 7: All right, Bye, buddy, talk to you later.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: Thanks. That's Jeff Schwartz. He's been an expert for US
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: on college football and the NFL all season long. And
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: we've got at least another week or two of that
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: because you got conference Championship weekend. You should go watch
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 2: those games at Big Willi's at seventeen seventeen, South Maine.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: And then you've got the Super Bowl in a couple
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 2: of weeks, which I'm going to have to watch on
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 2: an airplane, which will be an interesting experiment for me.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 2: I've never had to do that before.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 3: But yeah, the NFL season coming to a close. The
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 3: college football World ground its champion last night with Indiana,
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 3: and we we've talked about what an incredible story this is.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 3: We did not really spend any time and we should have.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 3: On the fourth down, call fourth and five, Indiana going
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 3: in to score, and they send out the field goal unit.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: Then Kurt Signetti calls a time out and he's just like,
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: all right, let me think of something else, and they
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: run a QB draw that after the game we were
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: told was something they've run before but blocked differently this time.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: And they were hoping that Miami would come out in
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: the defensive coverage that they were looking for.
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 3: Fernanda Mendoza, he also sat down after the game and
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 3: he said, well, we're looking for them to run this
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 3: particular zone coverage and on one half of the field
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 3: they're running zone.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 2: On one half they're running man. He has the option
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: to throw the ball and he said, I'm just gonna
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: call my own number, and he got completely turned around.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 3: He had to run somebody over, got completely turned around
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 3: like he's actually facing the wrong way, plants his hand
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 3: in the ground, spins again, leaps into the end zone.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 3: It's an iconic image they're gonna build a statue to
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 3: something for this national championship year. That's a way better
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 3: statue than the stupid Philadelphia Eagles, one of them calling
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 3: the play.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 4: And talking to each other, talking to each other.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 3: You want to run Philly, Philly. That's the dumbest statue,
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 3: by the way, in all of sports. I hate that
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 3: that statue is. Of all the things that you could
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 3: have built a commemorative bronze too, you choose the moment
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 3: where they were like, hey, should we try this thing?
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: Should we try this thing?
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 4: That has definitely been done before by all the other
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 4: teams in the NFL, but we're acting like it's the
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 4: first time it's ever been done.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 3: Very obnoxious, but like, if you're in a Philly, if
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 3: you're gonna build the statue for Indiana, that's like Fernando
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 3: Zone leaping, stretching out as somebody drills him directly in
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 3: the spine. But he breaks the plane and he gets
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 3: the touchdown on fourth and five. And you were talking
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 3: about this during the break, Kurt Signetti. He doesn't show emotion.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 3: He raised his hands in celebration.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: There's plenty of football left to play, and that outcome
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 2: was still in doubt, but he was vindicated. He had
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 2: trotted the field goal unit out there and then he
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: changed his mind and who knows what the argument or
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: the discussion is like on the headsets, and he gets
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 2: that play call in, he gets that touchdown in and
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 2: it's like, Yep, we did the right thing there, and
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 2: that was the biggest moment of the game.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 4: They were talking about Herbie and Fowler and it might
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 4: have been I think it's Molly McGrath and Holy Row
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 4: they might have chimed into at this point, but they
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 4: were talking about on the broadcast, the television broadcast, how
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 4: I think after the blocked punt touchdown, which is one
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 4: of the most exciting A block punt touchdown is always
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 4: one of the most exciting, if not the most exciting
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 4: play in a football game, and how everyone on the
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 4: sideline around him is jumping up and down because that's awesome,
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 4: and he's just stoic, like, got more work to do, guys,
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 4: And they were talking about he doesn't celebrate touchdowns, right,
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 4: But then I thought it was very telling that he
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 4: celebrated that touchdown. Later Also, I think I told you
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 4: this off air too. Oh see, it's very reminiscent of
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 4: the Lway helicopter touchdown in the first Broncos Super Bowl
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 4: win over the Packers, or it's just similar situation I
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 4: think later in the game for Lway in the Broncos,
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 4: but similar situation. We gotta have this to win the
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 4: championship kind of thing, and we don't have any more
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 4: games after this, so I don't care what happens to
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 4: my body kind of mentality and reaching into the end
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 4: zone in the harm you know, in the harms, Way
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 4: getting clobbered by the defender, but ultimately getting the touchdown
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 4: other than him, other than Lway getting spun around and
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 4: Mendoza not it. It looked like basically the same play.
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 3: Beautiful play, beautiful play call, beautiful decision to put it
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 3: in the hands of your Heisman trophy quarterback and say,
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 3: make the right play here. If you get the look
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 3: you're looking for, you could throw that ball. Otherwise it's
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 3: a draw. He's not the best athlete, he's not the
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 3: most nimble, but he has great sense of the spacing
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 3: on a defense. He's got a great sense of how
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 3: to navigate through a little bit of traffic and like
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 3: he could remember he already had the first down, so
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 3: when he got hit, they piled up on him or whatever.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 3: He could have just gone down like, okay, now it's
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 3: first in goal and you got another set of downs
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 3: and we're probably gonna punch it in at some point.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 2: But he he like he.
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 3: Gets turned around, so he's facing the wrong way. He
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 3: hand plants plants in the dirt that old running back
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 3: drill that you see people during warm ups do where
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 3: you go tripod and you put your hand down. He
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 3: does that and then spins and leaps and it was
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 3: just gorgeous.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: Man. And that is the photo.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 3: That is the moment, That is the thing that is
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 3: going to be the enduring image of Indiana's first ever
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 3: college football national championship. Another thing we have an addressed,
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 3: so Holli Row, who's the best in the business. Utah's
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 3: very own. We love Holly Row.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: Holli Row was on the sideline report, she was on
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 2: the field after right, she was doing all the stuff
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: that she does. And a photo that she took it
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: kind of like this tweet she and viral because Mark
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 2: Fletcher Junior, the Miami running back who had a great game,
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: incredible game, a couple of touchdowns over one hundred yards.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 2: Mark Fletcher Junior.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 3: Apparently, according to Hollyrose tweet, he waited like a long
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 3: time on the field to congratulate Fernanda Mendoza and she
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 3: was like, Wow, what a classy young man.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 2: This is amazing. But also Mark Fletcher was throwing punches
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 2: at Indiana people as this game was coming to a close.
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 3: It's like the celebration for Indiana was happening. There was
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 3: one Miami player that apparently didn't like what was said
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 3: or did not like the fact that his team had
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 3: lost the national champion and he was actually trying to
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 3: punch people. I think it was a reserve d lineman
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 3: for Indiana, if I'm not mistaken, probably said something he
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 3: shouldn't have said. Who knows, But Fletcher threw punches, and
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 3: it was funny because you see this guy who's now
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 3: ready to celebrate a national championship. He instead of fighting back,
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 3: he's like pointing to the Miami coaches and other players
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 3: that are near Fletcher, like, hey, get your guy, get
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 3: him away from me, because he didn't want to smoke.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 3: But a little juxtaposition of man the emotion of disappointment, anger, etc.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 3: Losing a game but then obviously realizing getting the moment
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 3: of perspective of like, I gotta congratulate what Brenana Mendoza did,
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 3: same person, same postgame. Holly row saw one thing, the
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 3: positive thing. She obviously didn't see the negative thing. That
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 3: was so funny, what a great guy. Love this kid. Hey,
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 3: you know what.
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 4: In one aspect she was totally accurate about how Fletcher
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 4: was postgames.
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing missed the other aspect, I don't know
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 2: what was said. I don't know.
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 3: It's always dumb to fight when you wear in football pads.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 3: It's not a good look to be fighting when you're
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 3: on the losing end of a national championship. It's like
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 3: when the confetti drops, you just gotta let whatever happens go. Probably,
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 3: but I cannot even begin to imagine the disappointment, the
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 3: difficulty of getting that close of being I mean, you
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 3: have the ball, you have an opportunity to drive down
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 3: and win, and instead Carson Beack throws an interception, he
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 3: misreads the coverage, he throws an interception, and your season
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 3: is over.
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 2: He's coming back to Miami.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 3: Mark Fletcher Junior is gonna be back in Miami next year,
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 3: barring any major surprises. But that has to be a
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 3: brutally disappointing moment, no excuse to start throwing punches and
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 3: fighting people. But at least it seems like he came
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 3: back down to earth.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 4: And you know the Indiana player, by the way, like
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 4: goats him and then backs away. Yeah, like yeah, yeah,
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 4: come at me. And then as he's like, okay, I'm
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 4: coming at you, he's back.
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 2: Just kidding, Please don't don't. I'm gonna get into trouble.
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 3: It's like, okay, man, as long as we're talking about
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 3: this National Championship game. You got an incredible story from
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 3: a former Heisman Trophy winner about Fernanda Mendoza over Heisman Weekend.
• 2:15:05
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  Speaker 3: sports dot com. All right, Fernanda Mendoza is a legend
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 3: in college football. He is seemingly impossible to deter. He
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 3: has this sunny disposition.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 2: The family story is absolutely incredible the movie. By the way,
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 2: who are we casting to play for Nana Mendoza? My
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: my number one vote is if if there's a way
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: you can make Timothy shallow may look like he's a
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: normal sized human, make him tall, then he'd be good.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 2: But you probably gotta go with the guy from Stranger Things. Oh,
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 2: Joe Kerrey, Joe Carrey, Steve right from Stranger Things. He
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 2: the hair Harrington. Yeah, of course, give him a more
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 2: normal haircut and let him play for Nana Mendoza. Yeah,
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 2: what if he could throw a ball? A lot of
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: actors when you have him play anything athletic, you could
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: tell their theater kids, you're just like, oh geez, he
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: looks so bad.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, he played jock high school guy in Stranger Things.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, conspicuously absent from that any actual athletic activity. He yeah,
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 3: there was the little pe basketball scenes, but yeah, that
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 3: probably you can't really tell. Bernanda Mendoza, whoever gets to
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 3: play that role. What a great honor for that actor.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 3: Also with his mom, Elsa, who's every touchdown they show
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 3: her right huge at the Heisman Trophy ceremony.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: You got to put those things in the movie.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 3: Courtney Cox from Friends could be his mom, or you
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 3: might as well take some liberties and make it Sophia Virgara,
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, you might as well might
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 3: as well might as well.
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: She would probably not have a problem with that.
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 4: Maybe see Sophia Virgara the mom and Courtney Cox the ant.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because the ant was one that was also prominently
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: He looked so similar, it's wild, So I wonder how
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: that goes. You go, you go to like Bernana Mendoza's family,
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: which like, hey, we think this joke, Key gotta be
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 2: perfect to play Fernando. Okay, yeah, right, that's probably as
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: good as it gets.
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 5: Mom.
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 2: We think that, you know, we were gonna find the
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 2: sexiest Latina possible to play you as mom, and the
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 2: boys are probably like, what.
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 3: No, no, don't do that. The husband's like perfect, right,
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 3: I know. The fourth is like absolutely, Mom's like wait
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 3: what he wanted who to play me?
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know how that works. I don't know.
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 3: I mean if they if someone came to me and
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 3: was just like, here, you know, fill in the most
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 3: sexiest man alive, we want that person to play you
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 3: in a movie.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 7: I bet. Yeah.
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 3: Obviously that's what I look like. Clearly, clearly that's the choice.
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 3: It's the only person anyway.
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 4: I also like Patrick Schwarzenegger Arnold's Okay sons as a
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 4: who's in, who's now rising up the ranks, and as
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 4: a prom somewhat prominent actor.
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: I could see him as Nanavan. You might have a
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 2: chance of the some athleticism being there.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like he might be able to throw football maybe,
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: Maybe. And he's tall at least, so there's that. Okay.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 2: So anyway, Brenana Mendoz is a great story, and the
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: legend only grows when you hear the behind the scenes stuff.
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: This is Ricky Williams, Yes, that Heisman Trophy winner former
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: Texas running back Ricky Williams talking about an encounter he
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 2: had with Fernanda Mendoza at the Heisman Trophy presentation. Well,
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, you.
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 11: Know, not to put him out there, but we were
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 11: in the back walking to the Dais for like the
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 11: Heisman brunch and he was talking to I was talking
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 11: to Tim Tebow. I'm talking to someone else, and I
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 11: overheard him talking and he was asking about girls, and.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: You know, I want I tried to be.
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 11: A really dedicated football player, and I think I was,
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 11: but I couldn't be so dedicated that I.
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 2: Put girls to the side.
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 11: And for him, he's that kind of guy who's so
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 11: dedicated that he really put girls to the side to
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 11: focus on football. And he was asking advice on you know, eventually,
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 11: I'm gonna have to get into girls. So you guys
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 11: got any advice for me?
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 7: Did you have any what? What kind of advice did
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 7: you give him?
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 11: I wasn't in a place to give him advice, so
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 11: I said, you know, keep folks on football.
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: You should talk to one sometime.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 3: Ricky Williams on the Dan Levotard Show airing out that
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 3: Fernanda Mendoza apparently, you know, not not exactly a master
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 3: with the ladies. He's asking other guys like, hey, when
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 3: I when I eventually care about this, which, by the way,
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 3: you talk about the juxtaposition of him with that I
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 3: don't even talk to girls versus the Carson Beck, the
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 3: other quarterback.
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 4: In this game, I don't do anything but talk to girls.
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 3: I mean they kept cutting too Carson Beck's girlfriend, who
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 3: is a professional dater.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: To put it lightly like, that's a wild, wild difference.
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 3: Carson Beck is the Miami party boy who's already before
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 3: you know, in entering professional life. He's been in like
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 3: a couple of high profile relationships. Girlfriends are a big
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 3: story for him, and Vanana Minds is just like, guys,
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 3: what how do I talk to girls whenever I decide
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 3: I need to do that?
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. The way that Ricky.
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 4: Williams put it, Dude, when I when I get into
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 4: them or I should probably get into them soon, that
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 4: is crazy.
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 3: So thanks for the story, Ricky Williams. It's weirdly endearing.
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 3: If this was anybody else, I'd be like, what a dork,
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 3: But the fact that it's Nana men doze.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: He's just like got this smile on his face and
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 2: this effusive energy and he's just like amazing. Guys.
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 10: We won the national championship I love my teammates so
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 10: much and I can't wait to play more.
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 3: Football instantly, and then instantly right after he gets every
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 3: thing out, starts crying. It's like, oh my gosh, you
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 3: in the National Championship he finally said a curse word,
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 3: which was like refreshing for some people. It was really
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, the kid is just the whole thing, the
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 3: whole thing is just too good. I think it was
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 3: Michael Castricone, who's the Washington play by play guy, who
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 3: tweeted something to the effect of like watching a guy
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 3: like him who is rejected by his hometown school win
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 3: a national championship on the hometown field against the hometown
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 3: team that rejected him while his mother, who struggles with
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 3: MS is cheering in her wheelchair. He's like, that's as
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 3: that's just it's as wholesome as it's ever gonna get
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 3: with college football. And I don't even care. I'm sure
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 3: Fannanna Mendoza made like four million bucks this year, right,
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 3: Like who It's not like Indiana is operating outside of
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 3: the system that everyone else is operating in.
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  Speaker 2: It's just not the number one thing you talk about
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 2: it and it's probably why they win.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 3: It's probably why they're such a good team because the
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 3: salary have not been a focus of Indiana football.
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 2: Do you know, have you like raised your hand?
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 3: Tweet at me, text me if you know, like who
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 3: the highest compensated guy aside from Fernanda Mendoza's we know
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 3: for every other team, including our local teams, who's making
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 3: the big money.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know who that is for Indiana. I can assume,
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 2: but I don't know exactly who it is. It's wild.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, let me ask you this, if Fernando Mendoza was
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 4: the BYU quarterback, would it be as endearing and set
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 4: aside if as best you can the rivalry because I
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 4: think culturally, I'm not sure it would be as endearing,
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 4: because that's what because you expect that, and people who
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 4: are not in that culture roll their eyes really hard
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 4: at that sort of thing.
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 2: Well, look, BYU's quarterback is basically the same. Yeah, it's
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 2: a good point.
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 3: Bear Bachmeyer and Tiger Bachmeyer go to the old folks
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 3: home on Sundays and play music and sing to the
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 3: lonely folks that their families just stuck there and never visit.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 3: Like it's not the exact same level of corny, but
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 3: it is that level of corny.
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I meant.
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 3: And it's very easy when you're a grumpy, jaded person
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 3: like myself to just be like, that's not real. It's
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 3: like these kids are not as nice as they're pretending
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 3: to be. I don't even care. I if you're doing
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 3: something like that, if you're for Nana Mendoz and every
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 3: time somebody puts a microphone in front of your face,
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 3: you like, now's a good time for me to glorify God.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 3: Now's a good time for me to defer all of
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 3: the praise I'm getting and distributed amongst my teammates. Now's
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 3: a good time for me to tell everybody how grateful
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 3: I am for the stuff around me and for my family.
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: Like, I'll just buy it.
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 3: Man, Like, even if you're kind of a jerk sometimes
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 3: away from the camera, if when you're given an opportunity
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 3: to bask in your own spotlight you say no.
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, look at what everyone else did for me.
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 3: And the same thing with with the back market, and
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 3: by the way, your quarterback Utah Fans Devin dan Pierre,
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 3: very much the same thing. We talked to him every
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 3: single week and we had some laughs and we would
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 3: tell him how cool this thing was, and he you
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 3: know what did he do every single time? Like, man,
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 3: my old line, incredible way Sean Parker did some great
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 3: like it's how you want your quarterback to be. It's
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 3: not seemingly how Carson Beck is. All right, and I
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 3: don't mean to keep taking shots at that guy, but
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 3: just the juxta push it position. The contrast could not
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 3: be more pronounced underdog story.
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 4: Carson Beck, by the way, he's.
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 2: Been through so much. Okay, he's been through so much
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 2: in his seventh year as a multi million dollar quarterback. Who,
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 2: by the.
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 3: Way, did you see that stat that I tweeted? Apparently
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 3: and I don't even know this.
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 2: He's only he only lost six games in his college
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 2: football career that he started. Four of those six games.
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 3: He has had the ball with an opportunity to drive
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 3: down and win, and he threw an interception in those games.
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 2: Turn the ball over.
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 3: Now, it's not pylon Carson Beck day, But that is
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 3: a crazy staty. Now, it also ignores the fact that
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 3: against Old Miss, they don't go down and score and
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 3: win without his heroics, right, without him playing well, He's
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 3: a good enough quarterback to be in a position where
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 3: we're talking about the six career losses that he has.
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's a thing.
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 3: If it's like in crunch time when the quarterback when
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 3: we're like, hey, we need you to be the guy
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 3: that makes these plays. We can't run the ball right now,
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 3: we can't. We have to have you do this for us,
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 3: and he turns the ball over four times, that's a thing.
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 4: I was gonna say, did I see you defending Carson
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 4: Beck on Twitter a little bit? Because you said you
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 4: started out that you quote tweeted someone who put that
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 4: out there, but that's set out there, and you said,
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 4: well that you started out saying, well, that ignores well
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 4: in the wins.
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 2: Because he has a lot more wins and losses. And
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 2: so to just say, like to just say they only
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 2: talk about the one.
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 3: The only stat that matters is this one is inaccurate
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 3: and dishonest.
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 2: And I'm not going to do that because there's no
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 2: reason to. But Carson Beck fano.
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 3: We might be looking at a Shador Sanders type of
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 3: situation here where NFL teams are just like, I don't know,
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 3: he was on a lot of really really good teams.
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 2: He had a lot of success, but I don't know.
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 3: And in that case, it's not a good analogy with
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 3: Shador Sanders because Shador was dragging some stuff along.
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know that Carson Beck ever did.
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 3: But I think I when I do compare to Shore,
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, are the NFL teams going to be like,
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 3: we don't believe in him the same way that the
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 3: media does?
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  Speaker 4: Do you remember it was just two years ago he
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 4: was looked at as the presumptive number one overall pick
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 4: of at the start of the college football season, and
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 4: I remember people saying, it's not close, and then it's
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 4: the it's the year. I guess it was. I guess
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 4: it was last year. It was the year that he
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 4: that he broke his his he had the arm injury
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 4: that was at the broken wrist that knocked him out
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 4: of the playoff, and Gunner stocked and supplants him, and
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 4: then Georgia says, we're good with Gunner Stockton. And it
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 4: seems like since then, even though they got he got
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 4: Miami to the National Championship Game, they had a really
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 4: good year. Obviously his stock is just plummeted.
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty wild, all right, we got to take
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  Speaker 12: My mind is spinning. The hardware is like malfunctioning. Why
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  Speaker 12: rolling into the studio today, as I do every day,
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 12: I tune into my favorite midday radio show, the Sean
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 12: O'Connell Show, all Right, and I hear former Heisman Trophy
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 12: winner Ricky Williams share a story about meeting Fernando Mendoza
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 12: and paraphrasing, Fernando basically said he doesn't talk to women
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 12: and doesn't know what to do, and maybe at some
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 12: point should try to do that. Look, man, it's it's
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 12: messing with my mind. It did remind me of the
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 12: story I shared with you off Era. As the legend goes,
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 12: in the nineties, Tiger Woods went to a club with
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 12: Michael Jordan and Derrek Cheater So at the time, like
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 12: the three biggest athletes in the world go to this
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 12: club and they're surrounded by women, and, as Michael Jordan
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 12: tells the story, Tiger Woods sheepishly approaches him and says,
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 12: I don't know how to talk to these women. What
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 12: should I say, to which Michael Jordan responds, tell them
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 12: that you are Tiger Woods. Now, obviously Tiger took that
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 12: advice and ran with it. As we know, sister tells us, but.
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 2: Here's just sprinted away with that news.
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 12: He's like, oh, okay, I'll just start doing that and
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 12: nearly ruin his life. But anyway, here's what I can't understand.
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 12: All right, And you know that, Sean, you played sports
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 12: as a very young person. I made a very simple
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 12: observation that seemed to motivate me to do certain things,
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 12: which is, athletes seem to date the prettiest girls and
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 12: the prettiest girls, and I hate to be stereotypical. Don't
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 12: get mad at me. When you're young, you see the cheerleaders,
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 12: you see the dancers, and you're like, all right, those
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 12: are the girls that I would like to date. How
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 12: do I do that? Okay, I become good at sports,
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 12: That's what I do. So I'm out back getting jumpers up.
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 12: Moms asking me to come in and do homework. I'm like, Mom,
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 12: I can't do respect to the nerds that run the world.
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 8: I have a motivation here.
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 12: I need to get good at this, okay, And I
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 12: was good enough at it to, you know, play as
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 12: long as I could. And certainly the better I got
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 12: at it, I noticed the more attention I received. You're
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 12: the Heisman Trophy winner and you don't utilize that to
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 12: date women is a really odd juxtaposition.
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 8: For me to wrap my mind around.
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know when I think that. I think an
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 2: interview was this morning on the Daan Lebertard Show.
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know, but Ricky Williams could have done
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 3: for Nana Mendoza the ultimate favor by letting that be
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 3: known National Championship Week. Yeah, because last night Banana Mendoza
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 3: was a National Champion Heisman Trophy winner out on the
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 3: town in Miami.
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he probably would have. You probably would have been okay.
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 12: Oh, I'm sure he would have been fine outside of
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 12: the fact that when he decides to talk, you're just like,
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 12: what is us with this dude?
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 2: He's a human Golden retriever. He's just excited about.
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 12: Everything, and there's a I heard you talking about this,
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 12: there's a sweet side of this, like a wholesome element
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 12: to it.
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 8: Where give me some of that.
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 12: It's like when you see kids at a grocery store
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 12: and they're playing and you're like, oh, that's so cute,
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 12: and then the parents yell at them, and you're like,
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 12: let them be kids, okay, let me let me be
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 12: around the wholesome nature of children for a little bit longer.
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 12: Let's not knock the beauty out out of them. You know,
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 12: there's a wholesomeness to Fernando Mendoza that you don't see
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 12: very often. You guys reference this. The quarterback on the
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 12: other side has a current girlfriend that makes a living
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 12: in a certain area of business.
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 8: And commerce that I'm not judging. Go get your bag, okay.
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 12: And and the dichotomy between Carson Beck and Fernando Mendoza
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 12: a really interesting thing to study. But just like hearing
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 12: the Heisman Trophy winner, the best player in college football
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 12: say that he doesn't even talk to women, when anybody
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 12: who's ever tried to be good at sports, I feel
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 12: like one of the main pieces of motivation to get
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 12: really good as an athlete is to date women and
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 12: he doesn't even talk to them. It's I'm gonna think
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 12: of I'm going to be going to sleep tonight. Be like, dude,
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 12: I've been doing it wrong my whole life.
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 2: Married to the game.
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 8: Respect.
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 3: There are people that are just that way. Their focus has.
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 2: To be wholly on the one thing, keep the main thing,
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 2: the main thing. You hear players say that all the time. Yeah,
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 2: but he's actually done it. Apparently.
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 8: But people say that and then they don't live it.
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 12: Well, apparently he does. You tried to be very good
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 12: at sports? How much of the motivation was so to
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 12: make sure that your social life was what you wanted
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 12: it to be. That's what I'm saying, Sean, this flies
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 12: in the face of everything I've been taught.
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 3: Thank goodness, my beautiful wife was such an MMA. If
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 3: she was such a fight GROUPI er I never would
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 3: have met her.
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  Speaker 8: Well it worked, bottom line.
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 12: The Heisman Trophy winner, the Heisman Trophy winner does not
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 12: talk to women.
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 8: But hell of a player.
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 12: It really is such a It screws with your mind
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 12: because if you didn't know he was a football player
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 12: and you just saw an interview, he'd be like that
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 12: guy is a gamer and a streamer and never leaves
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 12: the house, and he's the best college football player in America.
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 12: It's a hell of a story, man, I mean, all
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 12: joking aside, And I'm going to try to bring this
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 12: around as far as what does this mean for Utah
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 12: football or BYU football. That is such a remarkable two
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 12: year turnaround under Kirk Signetti, and we'll see if they
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 12: can keep it going. You know, I was just look,
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 12: I thought Miami really shut up last night.
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 2: I mean they were one.
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and they're not going anywhere either.
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 12: But for about i don't know, six seven years, entering
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 12: the college football season, it felt like, Okay, it's gonna
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 12: be Bama, it's gonna be Clemson, it's gonna be Ohio State,
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 12: maybe Georgia. It was like when the Warriors signed Durant,
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 12: like why are we watching? They're gonna win it. And
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 12: this new era it's interesting. I'll let you go after this.
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 12: It seems like all of the things that we believe
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 12: are chaotic about college football have actually brought parody and
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 12: a better product to the game nationwide.
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 3: Look, Texas Tech was not a factor five years ago,
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 3: right BYU is not a factor five years ago. Indiana
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 3: was not a factor of five years ago. All of
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 3: those teams are top ten, top fifteen and projected to
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 3: be in the same spot next year. And I just
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 3: used like the lowest hanging fruit there. There's a bunch
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 3: of other squads that everyone's just like, huh, where did
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 3: they come from?
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 2: And now, I mean, Oregon is.
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 3: In the national title picture in a way that people
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 3: thought they would never be able to stay. So it's
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  Speaker 3: pretty cool to see. Yes, there's some chaotic elements to it. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of things that need to be cleaned up. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: some teams benefit more than others, and those teams are
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  Speaker 3: the ones that have billionaire boosters who care, and Indiana does,
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  Speaker 3: and good for them. But we'll see how sustainable it
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  Speaker 3: is for the Hoosiers. We'll see how how much you
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  Speaker 3: can copy it for everyone else. But you're right, nineteen
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  Speaker 3: ninety six was the last time you had a first
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  Speaker 3: time college football national champion, and now here in twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty six, it's happened again. And maybe in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: seven another team can do it for the first time ever.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, Kerkzik Natty.
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  Speaker 12: Last night, up of the players like why not us
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 12: why not Indiana, who, prior to this season had lost
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  Speaker 12: more college football games than any college football.
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  Speaker 7: Program in the history of the sport.
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  Speaker 3: If you're Northwestern, who now has that title? You're champion
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  Speaker 3: at the bit Probably not Northwestern. They don't have a chance,
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 3: but can Why not?
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  Speaker 2: Why not them? You know what?
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  Speaker 8: Why not them?
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  Speaker 5: There?
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  Speaker 7: You go?
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  Speaker 8: Why not Northwestern?
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  Speaker 12: I just I wonder if this is a model that
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  Speaker 12: a program like you tah and follow.
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  Speaker 8: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: We got to find a Mark Cuban. Let it be
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  Speaker 2: Spence checkets uh, listen to the drive.
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  Speaker 3: And he will try to figure out why Heisman Trophy
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  Speaker 3: winners don't talk to women.
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  Speaker 2: It's the Sean O'Connell Show. We'll do it again tomorrow
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  Speaker 2: on ESPN seven hundred ninety tem