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Inside The Birds Week 6 Pregame Show With Greg Cosell: Philadelphia Eagles Vs. New York Giants · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome to the Inside the Birds pregame show.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Mosher alongside Adam Kaplan from Inside the Birds,
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  Speaker 1: and of course it's our pregame show. We need tape breakdown,
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  Speaker 1: so we bring in the expert Greg Cosell to help
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  Speaker 1: us break down the tape not only of the Eagles,
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  Speaker 1: but of their opponent. And it is a familiar opponent,
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  Speaker 1: they play.
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  Speaker 2: Them twice a year.
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  Speaker 1: The Eagles are up the turnpike in a place where
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  Speaker 1: miracles have happened for them before, and I'm sure they're hoping, Adam,
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  Speaker 1: that the Eagles don't need a miracle to beat the
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  Speaker 1: one and four New York Giants at MetLife Stadium. Giants
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  Speaker 1: one and four Eagles four to one. Giants had a
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  Speaker 1: flash in the pan two weeks ago, beating the Chargers
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  Speaker 1: in Jackson Dart's first start, but then they go and
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  Speaker 1: lose a double digit lead in New Orleans to the
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  Speaker 1: Saints in week five. There so you can always say
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  Speaker 1: they went back to being the Giants. Adam, I want
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  Speaker 1: to start with you in just about the the style.
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  Speaker 1: This is a superior roster for the Eagles. This is
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  Speaker 1: a game they should win. They're clearly struggling with some things.
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  Speaker 1: We always say style points matter, it's just about the
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  Speaker 1: w But do you feel the Eagles need to get
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  Speaker 1: some things back in this game and come out of
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  Speaker 1: it feeling like they are the Eagles again?
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  Speaker 3: You know, I typically don't think it matters, but I
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  Speaker 3: do in this case because on your point, they don't
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  Speaker 3: have Greg said on our last show about the identity
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  Speaker 3: right of the offense right, they don't have an identity right.
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  Speaker 4: So don't have a lot of confidence.
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  Speaker 3: We know about the you know, the meeting that three
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  Speaker 3: of the big time players for the Eagles had, they're
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  Speaker 3: the struggle.
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  Speaker 2: Would to Smith feel about that?
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  Speaker 4: What's that?
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  Speaker 1: You got the ball? He got the ball?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess how would that Dallas Goddard feel about that?
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  Speaker 2: You know who knows? Man?
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  Speaker 3: But look, the bottom line is, Jeff as we get
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  Speaker 3: into that very funny who knew Greg?
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  Speaker 4: What's funny looking at it?
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  Speaker 2: But you said who knew?
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  Speaker 1: He was funny looking? And I said, I don't do that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to say that that mustard hoodie. Dude,
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  Speaker 3: can you have something that's a little a little like
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  Speaker 3: less dull? Anyway?
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  Speaker 4: We love we love Greg as far as you know,
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  Speaker 4: which is all that matters.
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  Speaker 1: But rails already.
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  Speaker 4: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, get getting back to the question, which I think
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  Speaker 3: is pertinent, Yes, this is a get well team. We'll
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  Speaker 3: get into the defensive front, which is pretty good shame
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  Speaker 3: Bowen scheme, which is interesting. Greg knows that one very
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  Speaker 3: very well. But the bottom line is they're a bad
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  Speaker 3: football team. They were up fourteen to three, rolling and
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  Speaker 3: they blow and they for some reason they give like
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  Speaker 3: twenty six straight points. So yeah, this is a get
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  Speaker 3: well team on a short week. You just have a
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  Speaker 3: couple of injuries. We'll get to the we'll get the
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  Speaker 3: entry port later. But I would agree with your assessment.
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  Speaker 4: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I think sometimes it's media speak, but absolutely in this case,
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  Speaker 3: on a short week, feel good about yourself going to
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  Speaker 3: that mini buy.
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  Speaker 1: Hey hey, Greg, I want to bring this up to
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  Speaker 1: you from a big picture standpoint, even though we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: talk about a possishing group, because you made a great
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  Speaker 1: point in your ask Greg Cosel show for our Patreon
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  Speaker 1: members that you do every Tuesday night, and someone was
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  Speaker 1: asking you how do they get the running game back going?
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  Speaker 1: And you said, well, let's stop looking at saquon the
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  Speaker 1: quarterback and everything, and look at the offensive line and
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  Speaker 1: went through all of the issues and certainly there's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be a big one who's out for the game Thursday
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  Speaker 1: night against the Giants. And we keep saying can the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles kind of get their groove back? And it's not
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  Speaker 1: going to be a finger snap. I do wonder just
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  Speaker 1: the overall state of the offensive line. People want to
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  Speaker 1: fast track the Eagles getting back to what they are,
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  Speaker 1: but don't they need to get better there first before anything?
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  Speaker 2: I would say yes. Now again, you never know when
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  Speaker 2: a guy can break one in a game. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that can happen even if your all alarm is not great,
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  Speaker 2: you know, And look, who would have thought after five
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  Speaker 2: games that Saquon Barkley's longest run was seventeen yards this season?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think anybody would have thought that. But the
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  Speaker 2: old line, and as I stated both Monday when we
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  Speaker 2: did our evaluation of the Broncos game and probably Tuesday
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  Speaker 2: with the Patreon group, is we've just taken for granted
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  Speaker 2: because they've been so good for three or four years. Clearly,
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  Speaker 2: you know, easy to argue they've been the best in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL, and now they're not playing that way, and
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  Speaker 2: one could almost argue they're playing mid level, you know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe even below mid level. You know, through the first
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  Speaker 2: five games. Now, can we snap our fingers and say
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  Speaker 2: they'll play great this week? You know, the NFL is
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  Speaker 2: very odd. I mean, you know, I'm not a good
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  Speaker 2: predictor and prognosticator, so I'm not going to sit here
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  Speaker 2: and say what's going to happen with certainty in the
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  Speaker 2: game Thursday night. I'm not going to say that. Could
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  Speaker 2: it be that they have a really good game? I know,
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  Speaker 2: I assume you said one big guy is going to
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  Speaker 2: be out. I assume Alna Dickerson is out. Correct, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I was going to be Toss playing left guard.
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  Speaker 1: It will unless there's a last minute kind of configuration.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, right, So I mean obviously they're missing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: an important player who, by the way, probably due to
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  Speaker 2: the fact that he's been struggling with injuries all season,
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  Speaker 2: he's not played at the same level he has the
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  Speaker 2: last couple of years. Cam Jur has not played at
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  Speaker 2: that same level that he did last year when he
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  Speaker 2: was a really really good player. Even my a Lota,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think in the run game has been what
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  Speaker 2: we normally expect because he he has been a dominant,
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  Speaker 2: dominant run to run blocker. So it's just not been
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  Speaker 2: as strong an all line. And when guys who you
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  Speaker 2: expect to play at a high level don't play at
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  Speaker 2: that level, you know, you don't really have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of options. You don't have anywhere to go. You're not
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  Speaker 2: benching Kim Jurgens, you're not benching Jordan my Alatta. You're
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  Speaker 2: coaching them each and every week. I'm sure there's detailed
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  Speaker 2: technique work that's beyond you know, what we know. You know,
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  Speaker 2: but that that that Statlan and and the the offensive
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  Speaker 2: staff works with, you know, the little things that separate good,
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  Speaker 2: good plays from bad plays, and that's what they work on.
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  Speaker 2: But it just hasn't been the same. But the bottom
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  Speaker 2: line is, and we've discussed this many times, they're a
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  Speaker 2: running football team at their at their foundation, and if
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  Speaker 2: they can't run the ball, their offense will be in
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  Speaker 2: fits and starts.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll ask you the same thing I just asked
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  Speaker 1: Adam to your feel And I know you don't get
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  Speaker 1: into style points or even win loss, but the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: come out of here with like a seventeen nine win
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  Speaker 1: that that doesn't seem like that you got your groove back.
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  Speaker 2: I want to This is going to sound cliched, but
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  Speaker 2: I think you'll understand it and all people listening will
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  Speaker 2: understand it that you want to see the Eagles play
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  Speaker 2: Eagles football. That's what you want to see. If that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't result in thirty five points, so be it. But
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  Speaker 2: you want to see them play what they have to
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  Speaker 2: be to be a good offense. And for instance, could
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  Speaker 2: they in this game and will get more into specific
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  Speaker 2: you know players, but could aj Brown win on the
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  Speaker 2: outside against Cordel Flott or Paulson Adebo? He absolutely could.
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  Speaker 2: Could Jalen hit him for two fifty yard touchdowns? That
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  Speaker 2: could happen. Does that mean they're back? No, to me,
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't mean they're back because you can't live on
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  Speaker 2: that every single week, you know. So they could win
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  Speaker 2: this game, you know, with those kinds of plays because
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  Speaker 2: of the nature of the opponent. But that doesn't automatically
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  Speaker 2: mean wow, this team is now back on track.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely all right. So we've got a lot of talk
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  Speaker 1: about with this Eagles offense. We'll get into their offense
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  Speaker 1: against this Giants defense. We'll get into the Eagles defense
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  Speaker 1: against a new look Giants offense, and then we'll give
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• 9:54
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  Speaker 1: he's not one hundred percent coming back from his surgery.
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  Speaker 1: Not that he's injured, but that is just not back
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  Speaker 1: to what he was.
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  Speaker 2: Mobility is not his mobility is not the same as
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  Speaker 2: it was.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I remember we picked by the way. That could
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  Speaker 2: also be one reason. I'm just now I'm just speculating,
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  Speaker 2: so I don't want people to think this is an
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  Speaker 2: absolute fact. That could be one reason why we haven't
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  Speaker 2: seen many outside runs. I don't know if there's an
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  Speaker 2: exact correlation. It could be, you know, because I know
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people think, why aren't they running outside,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and and we haven't seen much of that, right,
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  Speaker 2: and who knows. I'm just it's very positive because when
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is yes, especially, hey, Jeff, real quick, one
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  Speaker 3: thing that could be a positive. Marion Hampton did very
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  Speaker 3: well against them, Okay, Gervonte Williams look good against him,
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  Speaker 3: So at least you have Okay, you know, you have
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  Speaker 3: to obviously study the runs that they had, but at
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  Speaker 3: least some backs, Jeff, as I sent it back to you,
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  Speaker 3: if they're well against the Giants front the season.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I wanted to go one thing more with the
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  Speaker 1: offensive line though, because Jason Levant made this observation with
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  Speaker 1: me and Andrew Ducheco on our show on WBCB on
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday nights. He's and I wanted to ask if Greig
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  Speaker 1: stood out to him at all. He felt that Tyler
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  Speaker 1: Steen is a little bit more obvious the way he
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  Speaker 1: stands up and looks back and then has a very
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  Speaker 1: glaring tap to the center on the silent count that
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  Speaker 1: gives it away more so than when Makai Beckton was doing.
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  Speaker 1: He feels he comes out of his stands very early
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  Speaker 1: in his upright and you see it, and it's giving
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  Speaker 1: a tell to the defense as to when he's about
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  Speaker 1: to hit the Uh. That's something that.
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  Speaker 2: You've you've well, the one thing I have noticed and
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. To me, the larger tell is the
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  Speaker 2: fact that they're not changing that up. In other words,
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  Speaker 2: every time he hits them, they snapped the ball, right,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I've seen a lot of teams, you know,
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  Speaker 2: obviously on the road, you know, although the Eagles did
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  Speaker 2: some of it at home as well, but on their
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  Speaker 2: and they're playing on the road this week, so you know,
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  Speaker 2: where teams change that up. In other words, they stand up.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe the first time he hits them, they don't snap
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  Speaker 2: the ball. You know that that always to me needs
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  Speaker 2: to be changed up. So you know, we'll see if
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  Speaker 2: that's something that they do that's self scouting that you
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  Speaker 2: want to take a look at. And you know that's
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  Speaker 2: you ideally. You know, that's why there's many coaches on
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  Speaker 2: a staff too, because you know that's that's the little
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  Speaker 2: minutia that that you know, assistant so to speak, or
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  Speaker 2: quality control guys or you know, those kinds of coaches
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  Speaker 2: that they look for.
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  Speaker 1: What have you seen from Jordan Malatta so far?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I don't think in the run game
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  Speaker 2: he's been quite as good this year. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: look the run game overall, you know, and we've discussed
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  Speaker 2: this so we're not going to repeat all the same
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  Speaker 2: stuff we've said, but the run game has clearly not
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  Speaker 2: been there, and it's a combination of o line. At times,
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  Speaker 2: it's on Saquan, who you know, when he doesn't feel
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  Speaker 2: like it's clean, will start to look for you know,
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  Speaker 2: and search and you know, the way I've always described it,
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  Speaker 2: I did it a few years ago and someone said, hey,
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  Speaker 2: that's a great way to describe it. It just struck
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  Speaker 2: me watching the college player, and I actually put it
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  Speaker 2: in my notes. You know, he's becoming a little more
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  Speaker 2: kind of improvisational jazz musician than classical pianist, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and just playing the notes the way you're supposed to play.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that you know when when you're struggling
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  Speaker 2: with the old line. To me, and this is what
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  Speaker 2: I learned from the likes of the Merrill Hodges and
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  Speaker 2: others through the years, is you've just got to get
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  Speaker 2: the yards you know you got if it's blocked for
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  Speaker 2: you know, look, Barkley's a great back. If it's blocked
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  Speaker 2: for two, he can get four and second and six
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  Speaker 2: is not bad. But what you don't want to do
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  Speaker 2: is just try to balance or do other things and
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it's second and ten. That's what
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  Speaker 2: you don't want to do. So you know, you you
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  Speaker 2: know every yard matters, and you know that's you got
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  Speaker 2: to just get back to hitting it up in there
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  Speaker 2: and getting what's there, getting the hard earned yards. That's
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  Speaker 2: one thing that I thought. You know, everybody remembers last
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  Speaker 2: year the big explosive runs because there were so many
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  Speaker 2: of them. But I thought what Barkley did exceptionally well
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  Speaker 2: last year, which by the way, I didn't think he
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  Speaker 2: did super well with the Giants or in his college tape,
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  Speaker 2: was get hard earned yards. And I thought last year
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  Speaker 2: he got hard earned yards at a really high level.
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  Speaker 1: So when you look at this Giants defensive line, greg
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  Speaker 1: it's got a lot of talent.
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  Speaker 2: It does.
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  Speaker 1: It's got Brian Burns, got Dexter, Lawrence abdul Carter. First
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  Speaker 1: of all, how has abdul Carter's tape looked so far
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  Speaker 1: through four or five weeks up and down?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you can clearly see the athletic traits, but
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  Speaker 2: you know, he hasn't been a dominant player, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in that sense. But they have a nice de tackle
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  Speaker 2: rotation with a bunch of guys who've been in the league.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Dexter Lawrence is obviously, you know, at the
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  Speaker 2: top of the marquee and he's great. But they've got
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  Speaker 2: I guess you have to have two names to play
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  Speaker 2: on the Giants defensive front. They have Robertson Harris and Roachez,
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  Speaker 2: really solid guys who've been in the league. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: just it's a solid rotational group. Davidson is a nice player.
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  Speaker 2: They got a bunch of guys. You know, Lawrence is
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  Speaker 2: really really good obviously, and I got to tell you,
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  Speaker 2: I think I think their linebackers are really solid. Okerock,
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  Speaker 2: he's just a good player. And the guy who and
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  Speaker 2: I did him coming out of UCLA and I knew
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  Speaker 2: you wouldn't be a high pick. But because McFadden is injured,
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: they're playing Moasaw. He's a nice player. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 2: is he a superstar, No, but he's physical, he attacks downhill,
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: he you know, he stacks in sheds. He's he's a
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: pretty good football player. He's he's obviously not a name.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of people know, but I remember,
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: you know, doing his tape coming out of UCLA, and
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: you know, this is what he was.
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: Greg Dexter. Lawrence is a guy. Everyone knows who he is.
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: But what makes him so great? From your tape study?
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, I mean you got her first. I gotta remember
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: he's three hundred and forty pounds, you know, and so
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: he's incredibly powerful. But he's so lightfooted and lightfooted in
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: like in almost like a ballet like way in a
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: small space, you know what I mean, Not like light
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: foot in the fact we see Jordan Davis fron Son Eagles,
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: you know, run fast like there seems to be a
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: play a couple of times a year where he just
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: runs down someone. People remember Josh Allen, he did it
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago. I forget who he ran
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: down to the on the sideline. Stafford. He ran down
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Stafford to the sideline. I'm not talking about straight line speed.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about really light footed quickness in a small
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: space for a man that big. It's it's pretty remarkable.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: All right. So then two questions I would have based
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: on this matchup specifically right One is with these three
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: pass rushers or more edge rushers and Thibodeaux and Carter
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: and Burns and then an interior rusher like Lawrence, what
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: is their predominant four man rush.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Well, how's what I'm going to tell you, which people
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: might not be aware of, And Jeff maybe you know,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: is that when they go to their dime front, okay,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: and they play a lot of dime, Okay, they play
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: an incredibly high percentage of dime, almost twenty eight percent
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: scent of their of their defensive snaps have been dying.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: And because they bring in Belton, the Iowa kid, who's
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: a good player too, so in their dime front, their
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: dime front has Burns, Carter, Thibodeaux and the rookie Alexander
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: from Toledo who really looks good. So Lawrence does not
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: play in their dime front. And what they normally do
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: is Burns tends to stay on the outside and Carter
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: and Thibodeaux will line up switch off and line up inside.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: And sometimes they'll put Burns as kind of a stand
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: up joker. But just so people understand, you know, Alexander,
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: you know, he plays a lot of snaps and he
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: plays in their dime front, and he's been very very good.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: So that's interesting because Dexter Lawrence is considered one of
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: the better interior pass rushers in the league. So you're
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: basically saying, in most of their fore man Ruski is
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: not on the field, well, on their dime, Well that's
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: what that's what they go to when they're they're trying to.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: They play, like I said, twenty eight percent of their snaps.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: So if it's thirn, they're going to be in dime.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: Okay, all right?
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: And Thibodeau, you said lines up where even though a.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Line up more mostly inside, whereas Carter and Burns will
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: be on the edge.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: From a coverage standpoint, greg what what because typically from
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: a right a call they were there'd be a lot
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: of zone. But if I saw the numbers right, it
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: seemed like they're playing a little bit more man this season.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: But they predominantly play zone at well they play again,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: they play a lot of dime. They what they play
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: at a dime is they tend to play a lot
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: of two man coverage. Now, whether they do that this
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: week again, now you're specific to the quarterback you're playing against,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: because if you're going to play two man coverage and dime,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: you've got to wait, have to find a way to
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: account for the quarterback. And you know, so maybe this
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: is not the week where we'll see a lot of
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: two man coverage, which is the number one coverage out
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: of dime. Right.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: So the Giants have talent in their front in their
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: past rush that linebacker. But you go look in where
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: they ranked defensively, I mean bottom five total defense, bottom
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: five passing, bottom like six or seven rushing. Where is
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: the disconnect? Are they on the field too much? Are
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: they not good at doing certain things against them that
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: the Eagles can capitalize.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question. They've played too many snaps
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: on defense because their offense has been a problem obviously.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I mean they played the fifth most snaps of any
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: defense in the league. It's too many snaps, so that
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: that's the issue, one of the issues. It's just too
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: hard to play when you play that many snaps, you know,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: But it's it, you know. I think I'm just looking
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: at the talent. Okay, I'm not looking at you know,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: what the specific numbers are with each category. I think
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: most teams going against the Giants would probably feel that
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: they could attack on the edges on the outside. In
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: the past game, basically what they do is in base
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: and nickel. Well, Debo plays every snap and he plays
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: left corner and in base and Nickel Flot plays right corner.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: And what they were doing but it's very haphazard is
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: they were bringing Banks in to play on a right
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: corner opposite a debo in dime. But they do that
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: kind of I don't know the rhyme or reason for it,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: you know only you know Saint Bowen would have to
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: tell us that. But you know, Banks is a very
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: gifted player who obviously, for whatever reason, hasn't become a
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: pro yet because he's more gifted than Flat, who's not
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: a bad player, by the way, but not you know,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: he's a beatable player, but he's not a bad player.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: But just Banks does not you know, he only played
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: eight snaps last week. You know.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: You know it's interesting, Greg, he was a guy that
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: most not all that Jeff and I talked to before
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: the draft when he came out. I really thought this
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: kid was a ball, a big time talent. And it
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: tells you that he's not getting it because.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: So gem much of the game is mental, no matter
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: what position.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Cordell Fly.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I remember watching him, and you know, obviously when you
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: watch corners in the Big Ten, you'd always want to
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: see if they played against Marvin Harrison. He played really,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: really well against Marvin Harrison. I mean he played him
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: in press man. It was it was a good matchup.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously he's not winning every snap. It was
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison, but you know, he was a first round
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: pick and that was on merit in terms of tape.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I don't obviously don't know Dante Banks, but you know,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: we all know that he's you know, obviously has not
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: lived up to being a professional and therefore he's hasn't
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: played a lot.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: So in flop plays, he's number twenty eight.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: He is thin like he's not he's not two hundred
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: pounds like that's a he's a fine backup, but he's
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: technically a starter at well, so.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: He might be better than that. But he's a but
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: he's a guy you can attack. Yes, that's the point, right,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: that's my point. You know, he's you know, he also
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: has played in his career a lot of slot, but
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: he's not playing that now because they've got Phillips. It's
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: a pure slot. So you know that's the way it goes.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: So so let's bring this then back to an Eagles
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: discussion on how they are going to attack a defense,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: specifically the giants, but also through the lens of what
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: they've been trying to do. The data so far says
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: that blitzing Jillen Hurts is not a good idea. The
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: data says that he's got the highest passer rating, the
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: highest completion percentage of the highest EPA, all that stuff,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: top two, top three, top four, and yet Greg and
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: something you said to us inside the tape sort of
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: resonated with me even more and it was just a
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: passing comment. The Bucks came out and blitzed him ridiculously
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: in the first half. The Broncos did the same thing,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: and then both of them, you could say, adjusted in
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: the second half, or what you said was maybe that
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: was the plan all along.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Could have been. That's the stuff we don't know.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I think it's a fascinating sort of case study because
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: all the data says you should never blitz Jill have
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: so many man beaters and he's doing so well and
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: completing the butt. If you were doing it for the
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: purpose of having him see an entire picture for a
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: little while and then completely change it to confuse him
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: in the second half, that's a pretty interesting strategy because
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: you have to take the hits at first and have
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: confidence this way.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Let's think of it this way. First of all, he's
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: been if you go by dropbacks, he's faced more or
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: five or six man rushes. He's the fourth most of
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: any quarterback in the league. By the way, Patrick mahomes
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: a second. So so think of it this way. Normally,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: when you blitz, you know, based on tape study and
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: just understanding, you know there's a place to immediately go
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: with the ball normally, and we saw that against the Bucks.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: You're not reading, You're not dropping back and trying to
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: decipher a defense. You're not reading. Okay, so he can
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: be very effective doing that. Where he struggles more is
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: when there's some kind of sim pressure that works off
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: a six or seven man front where you have to
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: account for bodies and then they drop people out and
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: then as you and often because of that, you have
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: to keep it tight end or a back in because
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: you've got to account for people due to the front.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: And now all of a sudden, you might have seven
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: zone defenders against three primary receivers, and now you've got
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: to start working through a progression where the defense has
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: the numbers advantage.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: Greg You've talked about when the picture changes the picture.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: The picture not his strength, right, that's hard, right, that's
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: not his strength.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: And that seems to be what the last two opponents
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: and even the Rams I felt, tried to replicate.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: And I'm not going to sit here and say everybody's
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: going to do that and he's not going to make
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: any plays. I don't do that. You know, they know.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: The Eagles know this too, by the way. So this
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: is things they're they're going to work on, you know,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: and they're going to try to beat it and and
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: be aware of it. But you know, it's it's not
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: an easy thing, by the way. I see that more
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: and more in the league this year, with teams lining
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: up with six seven man fronts and dropping people out,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: and you know, fans always think, well, what's the problem
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: with the protection, and now three guards aren't blocking anything exactly.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: That's whole point. That's why defenses do this because if
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: you put six guys on the ball, you have five
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: offensive linemen, so that means the back becomes responsible for
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: the sixth guy. Now, if you put seven guys on
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: the ball, and by the way, that's what happened on
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: the Patrick Mahomes interception in the Monday night game. You know,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I'm sure everybody saw that play with that Lloyd took
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: back for one hundred yards. Yeah. Now, if you have
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: seven on the line of scrimmage, you've got five offensive
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: linemen in the back. Let's leave a tight end out
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: for the moment. Let's say he's split. Now the quarterback
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: has to be responsible for the seventh guy. So most
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: teams are not rushing seven. Okay, but you don't know
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: which that guy who the quarterbacks responsible for might be
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: one of the four, right. I mean the perfect example
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: of that was the McMillan sack this week against Jayley.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: That was the perfect example where they put I think
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: seven guys on the line of scrimmage and they ended
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: up rushing four. Both defenders came Whufanga from the backside
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: and McMillan from the front side. But part of that
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: seven was the double mug look, and ninety nine point
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: nine percent in the double mug look, the back is
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: responsible for one of those guys. So Barkley initially stepped up.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Both those double muggers dropped out. Barkley, to his credit,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: immediately looked to Hufanga coming from his left, but there
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: was no one to block McMillan. He was, you know,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: you can't change the protection. I say this all the
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: time in the middle of the play, so you know
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: it's he's unblocked. That one was you know, that's hard,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: that's right to do. See.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: But I also think some of the effectiveness of that
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: strategy is the fact that they were blitzing earlier.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: In the game.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Like you have to make the offense believe that you
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: actually might send those seven guys, and now I don't
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: know if you're sending seven or dropping you know, seven.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know that the Giants are good enough as
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: a team or as a defense to blitzen.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: They're not a heavy blitz They're a big sim pressure
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: team right.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Right, prepared for if you don't believe a blitz is coming.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Amazing John Bowen, who did a ton of sim pressures
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: in Tennessee that was sort of foundational. Yeah, got anywhere
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: near that amount with the Giants this year. Maybe he
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: just feels that, you know, those guys. Look, sometimes you
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: got to feel like a guy can be a good rusher.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you don't just you don't use
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: a guy if you don't believe he has the trades
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: to do what you'd like to do. You know, Uh,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: I can tell you for a fact that muats Saw,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: who I really like, is not that guy. And I
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: think Oka Recky can do it. But I think Okarecki
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: is a terrific UH zone coverage defender, and that maybe
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: one reason they play a lot of his own. He's
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: a terrific zone coverage greg.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: One question though, on the edge with Burns, Thibodeau and Carter,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: how they work in that rotation.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Well, if it's if it's nickel, then what you normally
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: have is two of the three play and one guy's
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: out in dying and they all three played, you know
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: in what they probably you know, call the NASCAR cheater
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: or you know a team have names for that stuff. Yeah,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: but in dying and in base there are five two base,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: so you know, then you're going to have Carter and
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Thibodeau maybe on the edge, Carter, Burns on the edge,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Burns Tiberda, you know, I mean it's you know, the
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: only time they all three play at once is in
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Dyne got right.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: I think what the Giants will have to have, and
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I question if they do, is the same kind of
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: discipline that the Bucks and the Broncos really had to
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: be able to rush the passer to the degree where
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: you're not going full throttle, you're keeping them in the pocket.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: You're doing everything you can to the mush rush that
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: we talked about, because the Broncos had a great plan
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: for that, and they had great athletes up front where
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: they could not rush full throttle but still keep him
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: in closed and if he did try to break contain,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: they could pursue you. So Jonathan Cooper, how fast he
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: was he caught Barkley from behind on a run. And
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know that the Giants have that same.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And sometimes you know it, just saying that let's
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: spy isn't always the answer you have to you know,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: because look, I happen to watch the tape of the
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Titans defense against Kyler Murray, who I understand now might
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: not play this week, but but they spied him with
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Femi Ladaja, who's a very good athlete, and you know what,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Murray ran around him and he scored on a twelve
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: or thirteen yard touchdown run. So just saying okay, let's
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: spy doesn't automatically mean that that gets the job done, right.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Would you guys both agree that the Jalen Hurts run,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: whether it's designed or scramble, has really been missing from
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: this offense, Like an important part of his offense has
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: not been there for a couple of weeks.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and which, you know the other thing that makes
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: you think, again, we don't know the answer to this.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: You know, Hurts he's not old, but he's you know,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: he's run a lot in his career, He's been tackled
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: a lot. You know, maybe at some point you feel like, okay,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe we just have to cut back on that.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true or not, but you know,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: he's he's he's he's not an explosive athlete in terms
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: of twitchiness, Like he's not like Lamar or Jaydon Daniels.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: He's not twitchy like that. He's straight line fast and
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: he's powerful, but he's not shift.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: Out runner, right Yeah, powerful?
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: All right, So that is a look of the Giants defense.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the bottom line point before you move on,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: is this could be a game. Look, you know how
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I feel. I believe they have to get back to
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: who they need to be running, but this easily could
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: be a game where they could win on the outside
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: and make some big plays. This game could be like that.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I think that that they don't have to be mutually exclusive.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: You would like to get that one game going and
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: set up some of those great down shots.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: By the way, you always like Paulson the Diebo's who's
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: one of their starting corners, right.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Salid another one of those just really a solid fl corner,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: you know. Yeah? Cool?
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: All right, good stuff.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Let us turn it around. We'll talk about this Eagles
• 30:42
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  Speaker 1: All right, Eagles defense. Now we saw Killey Ringo get
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: the start. You know what, I neglected to go through
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: injuries by the way, at the start of this game.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: So let me just quickly get on that. Nikobe Dean
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: was listed as questionable on the injury report, so we'll
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: see if he is. You know what the plan is
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: for him, Just.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: So you know, a couple of things on him. He
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: did way more work this week than he did last week.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: That means he's close.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: But what would be in a week of nothing but
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: walkthrough is what would that mean?
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Just basically what?
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: But he took more snaps. I know it's not starnius
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: that it can't practice leading up to a Thursday night game. Yeah,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: but he took more snaps just in practice snaps. Now,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: the thing is with him is if he's activated, by
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: the way, they have till four pm Easter in the
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: day of the game. This is the odd rules that
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: the NFL has. Like on a Sunday game, you have
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: to you have until four pm on Saturday. On a
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Thursday night game, you have to four pm Eastern to
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: activate the guy if you want, if you if you
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: want him for the game.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Will be his role when he becomes active.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Vick was, look, he's he's gonna they're gonna
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: ease him in whatever that's gonna look like. And you know,
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: we we've we've talked about what it could possibly be.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: They don't play a lot of bass, but he could
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: help him against the run. Give Campbell a little bit
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: of breather. But again, as We've said since August. If
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Campbell's playing well, he's not coming off the field. I
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: don't care how great or how much the fans Jeff,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: as you know from her our message or YouTube board,
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: and we appreciate the comments, but they want Dean to
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: start over Campbell the worst way, and they know how
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: well Campbell's playing, but they think Dean is like, well, Dean.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: Was great before he got hurt. He suffered a devastating injury,
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: one of the worst the injuries you could have, a
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: torn butteler tendon. So let's a lot to see.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Right, And then just from an offensive standpoint, since we
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: already did the Eagles offense, Grant Calgatara is out for
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: the game, so potentially a little bit more lawt in there.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: We'll see how they are Kylon Granson, and we'll see
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: if maybe that impacts either positively or negatively, the ability
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: for the Eagles to run the ball.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Big one though, is Jalen Carter being at it after
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: the walk through on Wednesday with the heel injury. So
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: that's not good, right, This is to have nothing to
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: do for the former game, not just something happened, right,
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: What's that It's.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Interesting He's not on the report at all for the
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: shoulder that they have said exactly.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so who knows.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: And boy, heel injuries. I could tell you this. We're
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: talking to players over the year's receivers. They hate it
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: because you can't you have terrouble pushing off. So you
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: talk about his shoulder, now you're talking about his foot,
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: so that that's worrisome. And then if he's not ready,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: it would be Byron Young, who, by the way, is
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: on the injury report with the triceps injury heat heat.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: He's he's expected to play, He expected to be available.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: So look the Calcatara lat To, we know he's and
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: he plays the off set full back, but he is
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: the guy.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: Who should be playing in line, not grantson of Coppa
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: Terra can't play. I mean coup charged out. I'm sorry,
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: He's the one who should be players out. Yeah all right.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: So on the other side, the Giants were fairly healthy defensively,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: he's offensively. We know they're without Molik Neighbors, so that
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: takes away from their offense, and they're going to be
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: without Darius Slayton, one of their longtime deep threats, so
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: they're basically going up against this Eagles defense with Greg
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, wan Dale Robinson and Jalen Hyatt, I
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: guess as they're outside receivers or they're movable receivers there
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: and Deo Johnson as their tight end.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Well, it leach to believe that they're going to play
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: a ton of twelve personnel, which by the way they
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: did last week. It was clearly how they wanted to
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: play last week because they started off the game that
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: way and until you know, they got behind because without neighbors.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Think about this, and I did this research. Without neighbors,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: they do not have a true boundary X wide receiver.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: So that was reflected in the fact that against the
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Saints they lined up in three by one sets on
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: only eleven of Dart's forty five dropbacks, and some of
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: them were actually what we call one by three sets
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: where Theo Johnson was the boundary X because he's a
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: pretty athletic tight end. So they don't have a boundary
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: X receiver. They don't have that guy. Now, Hyatt can run,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: but he's obviously not developed in the way that they
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: had hoped because barring injuries, he doesn't really play. You know,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: if neighbors wasn't hurt, Hyatt wouldn't be playing, you know,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: And now that that Slayton's out, you know, obviously he
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: becomes in a sense Number two one. Del Robinson is
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: a pure slot, pure slot because I think he leads
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: the league in lining up in the slot and he
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: might be at the top of the league in slot targets.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: So you know, that's what he is.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Real quick, do you know anything about bo Collins. I
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: was just about, oh, yeah, yeah, he's a kidding go
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: ahead about him.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: He's he was a huge recruit and he started at
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Clemson and ended up in Notre Dame and he's going
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: to play and he's he's you know, he was a
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: guy that when he first went to Clemson as a freshman,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: people were talking about him as like the next guy,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: you know, the next big time wide out because he's big,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: he can run and it you know, it didn't work out,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: and he obviously transferred and and Notre Dame. He didn't
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: have big numbers, but he's got ability. He's gonna be
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: he's the he's the third guy, maybe the second guy
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: who knows. I don't know how they're going to work
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: their their rotation, but you will see a lot of
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: twelve personnel unless the game gets out of handle early
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: with Neo Johnson and Daniel Bellinger, that's what you're gonna see, right.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: And then Chris Manherts is in the NFL for one thing.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: He can block from that power.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: He plays, you know, he plays eight ten snaps a game.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, He's a third time he'll come into short
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: yards from that powerhouse football school.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: Jeff Canisius And.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't want to jump on you, Jeff,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: so I'll wait till you, you know, changed to what next
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: thing to talk about?
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: No, go ahead, go for it, you know, and then
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: the run game.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: You know, scatter Bow was a guy I really I
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: was found so intriguing watching his college tape at Arizona State,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: you know, And we probably talked about this leading up
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: to the draft, but that's a long time ago, so
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: we can revisit it. You know. He's not explosive, but
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: he's powerful, he's competitive, he's urgent, you know, and no
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: one is going to look at Camp scatter Bow and say, wow,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: that's my feature back. But you know, we had this
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: conversation about Kyraen Williams one hundred times scatter Bow to me,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: can be that guy if you know what he is
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: and it fits how you put together an offense. He's
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: not going to take it to the house. And he's
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: a very good receiver, by the way, and he will
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: stick his nose in there to block because he's he's
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: got that. He's an attitude guy. He's a swagger guy,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: and every offense likes that, particularly at the running back position.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: And he could catch it man.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So again he's not a guy that you know,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: you have to worry he's going to break off at
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: seventy year or two. But if you know, if they
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: can somehow with their old line, which is you know,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: it's been serviceable, it hasn't been We've seen giants old
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: lines over the last four or five years at times
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: been atrocious. There it's not atrocious, it's serviceable.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: Evan Neil does not play, that's kind of where they're at.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: And again, if Carter can't go, you know, I'm not
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: saying that, you know, young and and Joemo are bad players,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: but obviously Carter, you know, went healthy and playing well
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: as a star and a stut so you know they're
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: going to need to have some semblance of a run game.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: And by the way, Dart's been a part of that,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: because Dart's been very up and down, which we would
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: all would expect, you know, starting two games.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Well, one thing coaches don't like Craig. They liked everything
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: you said about Cam Scattaber. What they don't like is
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: when you have a chance to score a go ahead
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: touchdown and you fumble right the other opponent picks it
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: up and runs it back eighty six yards, which is
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: exactly how the Giants lost last week to the Saints.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Rookies are going to make rookie mistakes. And I can't
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: believe how many people have already fumbled the ball when
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: they should have had a touchdown, because I know it's
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: it's unbelievable that that's.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: That's terrible, right. But the thing is definite Signatory is
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: a nice backup.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: He's just not They've the John shrib is the starter
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: fail Buffalo tried fail, Uston tried fail.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: He's a good backup. Coaches love him.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: He does everything ask But Scatabo has got to be
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: that guy and is Greg said. He's not explosive, but
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: he's decisive and he knows where he wants to go
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: with the football he could be because because.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: What's going on with Tyrone Tracy.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: It sounds like Tyrone going to play, though it sounds.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Like he's, uh, well no he I'm looking at the
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: latest update.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: He's a gay. Okay, I'm sorry. He's a game day decision.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, real close. If he gets clear of the question
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: is how much does he play?
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Because he's got he's the guy with the most juice
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: of those guys.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right on there by the way, on their on
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: their final injury report, Tyrone Tracy did not carry an
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: injury designation, so it sounds.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Like he should play.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: The question for him, Okay, let's say let's let's just
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: that which is a key point here. He hasn't think
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: he does have a game that he does have a
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: game statisisignation, so that means he'll play. But the key
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: for him is, because it's a shoulder injury, how much?
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: How much could he handle? You know that's because scati
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Boa Scatibo's a guy could handle some volume. He's got
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: real good versatil. He Tracy's the juice guy between the
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: two of them, because remember Tracy's missed time now, so
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: you got to see how it works between two of them.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: So this will be an interesting chess match, right because
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: if because of their wide receiver limitations, as Greg noted,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: the Giants have been playing some twelve personnel, and if
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: there likes me to play a decent a lot of
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: twelve personnel, that means Vic Fangio, at least based on
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: his history, is likely to counter with a decent amount
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: of bass personnel, which would make Cooper to Gene the
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: outside corner and not Killey Ringo corre. If you're the Giants,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: kind of think you want if you're gonna go after somebody,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: you'd rather go after Killia Ringo, then you would coop Gene.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: So that's where the cat and mouse goes. If you're Vic,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: you may, ordinarily, if someone's gonna play that much twelve,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: you might throw your nickel on against the counter, but
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: maybe he sticks with base. I think that's that's a
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: really interesting cat and mouse game here.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think, and I'm not saying they're not
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: thinking about that, but I think the number one thing
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: they're thinking is what is best for our young quarterback,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: because the last thing you want in this game are
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: negative plays and early turnovers because you got a young quarterback.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: You know, granted, they scored on their first two possessions
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: last week, and they scored on their first one in
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: his first game against the Chargers, and then you could
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: almost see on the tape the lack of comfort, and
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: that stood out through the first two games. Now, he
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: can make plays with his legs and you got to
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: deal with that, and you got to be aware of that,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: but he has not really been a comfortable player in
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: the pocket throwing the football.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: How's their offensive line, ban Greg?
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: So far? It's been okay, it hasn't you know, it
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: hasn't been you know, like I said, for the number
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: of years it was you know, probably bottom three or
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: bottom four, and we you know, everybody used to laugh
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: at it, but it's actually, you know, it's okay. It's
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: not great.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: How Andrew Thomas look since coming back from his injury, fine, okay, you.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Know, and they've they've got guys who've been in the
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: league and have played a lot of games, the Van
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Rotens of the world. Not a star. You know, maybe
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: maybe some might say, oh, he'd be better as a
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: sixth or seventh guy, but he started a lot of
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: games in the NFL.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Right, I can imagine This will be a big game
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: for the interior part of the Eagles defense, the linebacker
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: off ball linebacker level, nickel level, because you would think
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: that the Giants would probably to protect their quarterback, want
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: to attack horizontally as much as they can move the
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: try to move the chains with the running back, try
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: to get the ball to their tight ends. If you
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: got something deep to jail and maybe you take it right,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: but in general to your point right, to support their quarterback,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: you're gonna want to try to move, stay ahead of
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: the sticks and keep yeah, limit possessions for the and
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: keep it keep the ball control going.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: That's to take a shout once in a while. They
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: did that against the Saints with vertical type routes which
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: weren't there, and then so Dark didn't throw it. But
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: you know, even John Running, you know, he's the guy
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: who started a lot of games too. I mean, they've
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: got this is not like a bunch of guys where
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: we go, oh my god, who are these guys there?
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: You know, these are professional offensive linemen. It's not the
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: best group in the league, but these guys have played
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: a lot of football.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: See Jeff, I'll be interested to see how Fangio takes
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: this because with their down to receivers right, their best
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: one obviously neighbors and Slayton, who you know has gotten
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: eagles at times, he could run. Jalen Hyatt's a spike
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: putting all the weight on is kind of this guy
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: you just can't you can't trust. Yeah, And Wanda Robinson
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: who has got good interior quickness, but he's an inside player.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: And they're playing the kid Bo Collins, And we talked
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: about who's an untractive.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: Rookie does he see does fixate? Oh, we can.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: We could blitz these guys because we were not worried
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: about their receivers. Because it's not a good group without
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: the two really good players. I'll be in to see
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: what his approaches.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Well, the only thing and again not sitting here saying
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: that Jalen Hyatt is a great player or Bo Collins
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: is a great player, but both those guys can run.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: And if they're in eleven personnel and Kaylee Ringos on
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: the outside, they might think that that's a you know, again,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: when you talk about this stuff, as you guys know,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: we're not saying they're going to do this twelve times,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: you know, but you know they could feel like, let's
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: take a shot.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Do they go under center at all? Do
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: they do they play the traditional pro style game? Where
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: is Jackson Dart shotgun heavy?
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: And it's shotgun heavy? Yeah, shockgun heavy. I don't know
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: if it's every snap, but it's shotgun heavy.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I see he's had some good runs of those designed
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: runs or are they both very interesting?
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: No?
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: And and because he breaks down so quick, you know,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: he looks to move a lot, you know, because he's
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: at the stage in his career which is to be
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: totally expected where he's you know, not seeing he doesn't
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: get a clear picture right away, and he just you know, again,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: that's what vic Fango is well known for. And we'll
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: see how he plays. Obviously he's played a lot of
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: man coverage this year, more than many might have expected
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: given the way we think about Fangio. But this might
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: be a game where he shows that quarter structure and
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: then you know, and then does a lot of movement
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: at the snap of the ball, right, you know, And
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: because that's going to confuse Jackson Dart at the stage
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: of his development.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Greg, how would you how would you just overall assess
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: the tape of the Eagles defensive front, whether it's the
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: interior or the edge of not talking about the linebackers.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Just in general, I think it's been good. I mean,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: I think Jordan Davis has clearly become I don't want
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: to call him a dominant run defender, but a very
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: good run defender. Still needs work as a pass rusher.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Jalen Carter's had an up and down year and I think,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe it's because of the injury, but he
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: has not been as consistently dominant. He has moments when
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: he looks ridiculously dominant, but he hasn't been that guy
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: all the time. I think a Jomo is gradually and
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: incrementally getting better young I think is a nice solid
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: rotational piece. You know, you don't you probably don't want
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: him playing sixty snaps, but if he can play twenty
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: five or thirty, I think he's a you know, he's
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: a nice rotational player. I'm very anxious now based on
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: what you did last week to see the continuing development
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: of Olajari because obviously no one Smith's going to be
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: out until I'm sure at least mid November, so it's
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: going to be a while. So Darius Smith gives you
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: good snaps. I mean he's he's just a solid pro,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: you know, is he You know, he's not Miles Garrett,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: but I mean he gives you good snaps. I think
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: it's I think the front's been been it's not been
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: a weakness.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: No, see, I asked you that question intentionally, and Adam,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: I think this is where when we really break down
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: who the Eagles are compared to what they have been.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Is that they are getting individually good to solid play
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: out of a lot of players. But this team is
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: accustomed to having one or two killers each year. And
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: last year we joked about turning inside the Tape into
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: inside the Williams Tape. Now, Josh Sweat at times would
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: just wreck a game, including the Super Bowl, and I
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: think that's the missing element. So far, it's not played poorly.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: They've done their job for the most part. The Denver game,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: they're on the field quite a bit. I mean Denver
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: made some really nice plays, but no one's becoming the
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: killer on that defensive front just yet. Think about what
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: we said about a Joemo though in training camp, Oh
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: he looked like a killer, And then how training camp
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: can fool you. A Joe has been fine. He's not
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: been a killer, right. I think it's fair to say
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Jelex Hunt, as we said going into the year, is
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: showing that he's still a young, developing player and not
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: ready to be that guy just yet.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Which is probably not a surprise to anybody.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: No, I was expecting. I was expecting that to happen.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: In fact, I thought they would have been better off
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: as having him as their third ad.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: Thresher, right, said more slowly, but they rushed it.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: He had been bad, like you said, yeah, right, as
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: he set it up with with Carter.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: You know, it's also possible despite the athletic traits. And
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying this is true or not. We don't
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: know that. Maybe he'll never be a great pass rusher
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: and it'll be more of just like a really good,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: solid athletic player. You know, there are linebackers like that
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: who are not necessarily great pass rushers, but they're good players. Right.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But the thing is they got to get Carter going.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: By the way, watch the transactions on on Thursday at
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: four pemeaster and that's the deadline. If one d tackle
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: on the practice squad, it's Gabe Hall. If he's activated,
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: it's it's obviously there's a problem with Carter. They're worried
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: about the heel. If he's not, they clearly think he's
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: playing like they're.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: A great point.
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: Transactions always give you a story to watch that on Thursday.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: All right, great, great point? Anything else? Defel oh, I
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: mean both. So when na Kobe does come back, let's
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: talk about this now, because it'll be a long time
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: before our next pregame show. What kind of Let's say
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: he's looks like that he's physically capable of handling the workload.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Where might he fit in in this defense?
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Greg, I don't know the answer to that. I really don't.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: I don't think Vicos just yet either.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that. I mean I personally. Look,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: it's one thing if you want to give John Campbell
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: a spell, but I wouldn't go into like a deep
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: rotation there where each guy's playing thirty snaps. But they
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: also have been to war so to speak with with
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Nikobe Dean, and you know, he was a major part
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: of their Super Bowl season a year ago. You know,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: even though he got hurt before that game, he was
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: a major part. You know, he played exceptionally well down
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: the stretch, So you know, he has a really good
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: resume going back to last year. You know, so I
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: don't know, you know, to me, To me, it's a
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: really tough decision. I personally would not want to take
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: joh Hot Campbell off the field. I mean meaningfully, you know,
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: if you know you hear something snaps, I get it,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: but you know I wouldn't want to I wouldn't want
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: to take him off or you know, meaningful.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: Stuf mm hmm, because on what Greg said is you
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: don't want to slow down Campbell's development because he's a
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: guy that remember he's still relatively new to inside backer.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: We know he came to BAMAS at Rusher Show. You
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: got to be careful you take him off the field
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: because the coaches have always told me, once it's rolling,
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: it's rolling. You live with a couple of rookie mistakes. Now,
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: if he was costing them place placed by plays different, Sorry, he's.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Not he's not right.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: I could see him maybe playing in some bass snaps
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: and then you move Campbell down and take like you know,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Jelex Hunt, Offer, Zadarius Smith. I'll just to give those
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: guys more pass us reps. Uh who else or is he?
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: But yeah, other than that, we're talking about, you know,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: ten to fifteen percent of the game.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: You know, one thing on Ojelari because the one thing
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: Greg I was when when Jeff and I and Andrew
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: were at training camp. I mean we would all talk like, wow,
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: I don't see with o'lari, it's just not moving all that.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: Well, how did the tape.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Look like to you? With Oji really good in this
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: this past week? I thought it was really good. I
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: thought he really stood out. He flashed. I mean you
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: noticed him on tape. So did Vic.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: By the way, you heard him say we had a
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: plan to play him X amount of snaps and then
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: we just kept him in there because he was.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Playing what I want. Well, the TA you know the
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: tape told you that.
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, Jeff, he could.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: We'll say, let's not get ahead of ourselves. And they're
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: playing the giants here. Don't have for a good offensive line.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: Bet on which side they line him up on, but
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: he could be a thirty to forty percent playtime guy
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: if he keeps us up, because man, do they need it.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: All right, let's do what we do best. We're gonna
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: predict the game and give you the game MVP. The
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Eagles enter this game at least as of right now,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: seven and a half point favorites. Do you guys know
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: what the over under is for this game? I was
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: my eyes almost thought of my head.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: I would guess thirty eight.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Thirty nine and a half. That's kind in a long
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: long time. But actually I can understand why it's just
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: really low for an Eagles game, especially, So Adam will
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: start with you. Who wins and what's the score?
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got it. Eagles twenty seven.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: They're gonna take advantage of the cornerback group they're gonna
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: and Barkley we'll have against his former team and all
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: the drama that was caused by it.
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: When you know, on on a.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: Hard knocks, I expect this to be a Barclay game
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: and I'm gonna take him as my MVP.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: All right, So you said Eagles twenty seven, Giants, what
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: now seventeen?
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: And look with Tyrone Tracy in there, I expect him
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: for fantasy I see. I don't know if his shoulder
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: cauld handle it, but man, they need anyone who can
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: make a play to score. They're gonna have to get
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: Tracy and vaucas Greg's right, he's their juice guy running back.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Big time there you go, all right, Greg, what do
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: you see?
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm out of my mind, but I just see
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: that they have an opportunity here to work, you know,
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: outside the numbers in the past game. Sure, and I
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: just think that, you know, I'm just gonna look at
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: AJ Brown and obviously he hasn't had the big plays
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: this year, but I think that you know, Deebo solid,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: but he's you know, he's not fast, flat is I think,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: you know, a good corner, solid, feisty for a size,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: but beatable. I'm gonna go AJ Brown and I'm gonna
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: pick the Eagles to win twenty seven to thirteen.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: That's a good score, all right. So you guys got covered,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: both of you guys cover there. I also see the
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Eagles winning. I'm just I've been wrestling back and forth.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: Am I gonna say that this was a get right
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: game for them at the end? Or are we going
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: to be having a discussion on the postgame show? Like man,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: I thought there was gonna be a little bit more
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: clicking with the Eagles offense. I am concerned a little
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: bit about the old line end about Jaalen Carter's health,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: but that shouldn't really stop the Eagles from them winning
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: this game. So I will say Eagles thirty, Giants sixteen
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: in the end. And you know what, even though that's
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: a high score for the Eagles, I think that it's
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: going to be partly because of turnovers. And I'm looking
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: at Jahad Campbell is having a big game, couple sacks,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: maybe even an interception, take one back. If not him,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: then Zach Bond. I just think the Giants are going
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: to try to play this game horizontally and the Eagles
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: linebackers are not going to allow them to do that. Well,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: So I am sticking with John Campbell as the player
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: of the game and the Giants Eagles winning thirty to sixteen.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: That is going to do it for the Inside the
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Birds postgame show for I'm sorry, pregame show for Gret
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Cosell and Adam Kaplan, I'm Jeff Mosher. We will definitely
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: catch you on the postgame show. Enjoy your football watching.