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Tech Friday w/ Dave Hatter - Sponsored by Intrust IT - 2/20/2026 · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 2: to what Dave Hatter tells us every Friday. Welcome back,
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Speaker 2: Dave Hatter, appreciate you doing this every week.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, always my pleasure, Brian. You know, as I say
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Speaker 1: all to you all the time, I hope we're doing
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Speaker 1: some good out there. People are winding up on these topics.
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Speaker 2: If you save one person from the devastating mistakes that
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Speaker 2: so many people make online, you have done a great
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Speaker 2: service to society. If people choose to not heed your advice,
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Speaker 2: well I think you give them an indication of what's coming.
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Speaker 2: And this one shocked me not at all. The rundown
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Speaker 2: says deleted doesn't actually mean deleted it. I've always said
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Speaker 2: this from a person with back basically zero computer experience
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Speaker 2: or knowledge. Uh if if you if you post anything,
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Speaker 2: it's out there literally forever. You can't unring the internet bell.
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Speaker 1: That's pretty much true. But it's even broader than that,
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Speaker 1: brind So you know this, this this sad Nancy Guthrie
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Speaker 1: case has brought several things to light, which I'm hoping
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Speaker 1: is making people wake up to something you and I
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Speaker 1: have talked about, literally from more than a decade, concerned
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Speaker 1: around the Internet of things aka smart device, store bells,
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Speaker 1: burn afs, TV's cars, whatever.
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Speaker 2: Right, and pacemakers too apparently.
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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, Well, I mean, let's let's put it this way.
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Speaker 1: If you have a device that can connect to the Internet,
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Speaker 1: then it's at least smart ish. Okay, you know it
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Speaker 1: can send and receive data. It's collecting some kind of
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Speaker 1: data certainly, or what would its point be, right, It's
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Speaker 1: got software in it. And as I've tried to explain
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Speaker 1: to people for a long time, I'm not in cerently
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Speaker 1: against this stuff. What I'm really against is most people
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Speaker 1: see the convenience, the potential convenience and or coolness factor
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Speaker 1: of these things and just go buy stuff. They don't
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Speaker 1: know where it came from. Most of it came from China.
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Speaker 1: They don't really understand that the software inside it is
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Speaker 1: usually not very good, is not geared towards your privacy
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Speaker 1: and security, needs to be updated, and is probably not
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Speaker 1: configured correctly out of the box. That these companies have
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Speaker 1: a goal of speed to market, market share, needs of use,
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Speaker 1: not protecting your privacy and security, and ultimately collecting as
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Speaker 1: much of your data if possible, to monetize it to
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Speaker 1: sell it to other companies, et cetera. So, as a consumer,
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Speaker 1: while these things seem cool and seem to provide convenience
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Speaker 1: for you, they're typically not geared to your interests whatsoever.
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Speaker 1: Some would argue it's a privacy and security dempster fire.
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Speaker 1: I would be one of those people who would argue that,
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Speaker 1: and very smart people like Michel Oppone and a well
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Speaker 1: known cybersecurity expert, has written a book called If It's Smart,
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Speaker 1: It's So You got the security problem and then you've
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Speaker 1: got the privacy problem. We've talked about the cameras, the microphones,
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Speaker 1: when is it listening? You have access to that data
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Speaker 1: to this This Nest situation with Nancy guffrids Perk shows
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Speaker 1: that rips the Nest camera off the off the door
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Speaker 1: they have, they find video of this, and that's the trick.
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Speaker 1: Right at first they said, well, she didn't have a
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Speaker 1: subscription and we don't have access, there's no data. Then
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Speaker 1: the FBI gets involved and finds, like ten days later,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, we found some video. And the first
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Speaker 1: question I got asked by people was how do they
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Speaker 1: do this? Dave, I'm like, well, I don't know. I
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Speaker 1: don't think about a mass camera because shockingly, you know,
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Speaker 1: I don't have any ring doorbells, et cetera. So my
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Speaker 1: first thought was, well, okay, the camera probably has some
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Speaker 1: kind of on device storage, so that if your Wi
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Speaker 1: Fi connection goes down, for example, it could store that
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Speaker 1: data temporarily and then send it to Amazon's cloud. But
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Speaker 1: I want to to Google's cloud. I want to remind people,
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Speaker 1: if you have a device that can stream video, it
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Speaker 1: unless you are very technically sophisticated and know how to
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Speaker 1: set something like this up there stuff, it's definitely going
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Speaker 1: to somebody's cloud, at least for some period of time.
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Speaker 1: So then you dig into it and find out the next.
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Speaker 1: Cameras work a little differently than most of the rest.
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Speaker 1: They're always storing stuff for at least the short period
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Speaker 1: of time. Even if you don't pay for the subscription,
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Speaker 1: you may not be able to access it. But they can.
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Speaker 1: But the real trick, Brian, and I know we're about
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Speaker 1: out of time. The real trick is they theoretically delete
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Speaker 1: this data. Now, you mentioned the cloud, but I want
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Speaker 1: to explain something real quick to people. When you delete
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Speaker 1: something on visually any digital device you can think of,
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Speaker 1: it is not physically removed from the device. It's telling
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Speaker 1: the device the space that it used to occupy. Could
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Speaker 1: be a word document and Excel spreadsheet and video and
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Speaker 1: NP three file, whatever it is. It's telling that device
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Speaker 1: the space that it used to occupy is now available.
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Speaker 1: And unless than until it's overwritten, it's still just sitting there. Now,
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Speaker 1: you don't have to have a skill to recover something
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Speaker 1: that was the quote deleted unquote. Now if you overwrite it,
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Speaker 1: and there are tools to do this, there are standards
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Speaker 1: to quote purge data, okay, because deleting it does not
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Speaker 1: get rid of it. Overwriting it once trivial to Otever,
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Speaker 1: if you know what you're doing, you may have to
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Speaker 1: overwrite it. Part of the government as many as twenty
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Speaker 1: two times. But when you yeah, when you think you're
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Speaker 1: deleting something, it's still there, as has been illustrated by this.
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Speaker 1: So this isn't just your personal computer, your phone. It's
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Speaker 1: stuff out in the cloud. To mention, many different doubt
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Speaker 1: switches a server that then if we're an ended wherever
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Speaker 1: it was when they recovered. So the point is these
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Speaker 1: devices are not your friends, and you're not really deleting
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Speaker 1: things unless you are very sophisticated to know what you're doing,
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Speaker 1: or you destroy the device. Indeed, so folks got to
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Speaker 1: wake up. This got to wake up folks. The less
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Speaker 1: editive things devices.
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Speaker 2: You have, the better something to contemplate as you use
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Speaker 2: your internet connected marital aid. Apparently those are out there.
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Speaker 1: Let's let's god, yes they are.
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Speaker 2: Apparently, as senior scams are all the razy today. He's
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Speaker 2: got a story about an eighty two year old got scammed.
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Speaker 2: We'll do that coming at next and then we'll talk
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Speaker 2: station six forty if you got KCD talk station Dave
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Speaker 2: had her find Dave and his company and his team
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Speaker 2: to help you with your business computer needs at intrust
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Speaker 2: it dot com. So I just weep for the seniors,
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Speaker 2: and I think of my mom struggling with technology, Dave
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Speaker 2: had her And you know, I love my mom and
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Speaker 2: I understand where she's at is. I find it very
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Speaker 2: difficult to keep up with modern technology as well, and
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Speaker 2: I follow your advice. I use very little of it,
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Speaker 2: you know, forget the apps, forget the crap. I've lived
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Speaker 2: my life without most of that. But what a great
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Speaker 2: vehicle they are for scamming people, most notably seniors who
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Speaker 2: are really pretty much out of their element.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're sadly exactly right, Brian. And this is a
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Speaker 1: tragic story. First off, I have a lot of respect
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Speaker 1: for this woman who came forward and told this story.
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Speaker 1: You know, I talk about this stuff pretty much every
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Speaker 1: day with businesses and all shapes and sizes, trying to
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Speaker 1: get them to take this stuff seriously, you know. But
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Speaker 1: interest our goal is to make your ensure your environment
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Speaker 1: is productive. Right. You got to be able to work,
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Speaker 1: You got to be able to do what you need
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Speaker 1: to do. So that's the key thing. It's not just
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Speaker 1: about security, it's productivity. It's resilience. So if and when
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Speaker 1: something bad does happen, doesn't have to be a cyber attack.
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Speaker 1: Things die, right that every one of your listening audiences
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Speaker 1: has lost data at some point, and then secure. Those
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Speaker 1: are the three key things we're trying to focus on,
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Speaker 1: and we're trying to do it in a quick, friendly way.
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Speaker 1: So all that said, I'm talking to people all the
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Speaker 1: time about this, and so many guests don't take it seriously.
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Speaker 1: They think it will never happen to them. They don't
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Speaker 1: realize how sophisticated the scammers are, not necessarily from a
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Speaker 1: technological standpoint, which they are in some cases, but so
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Speaker 1: much of this is these are just professional con artists
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Speaker 1: who are using the tools that are available both to
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Speaker 1: get to people and then fool people. Right. They're using
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Speaker 1: social engineering to trick them. They're creating an urgency and
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Speaker 1: thankfully for them, because you have access to people now,
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Speaker 1: whether it's mail, text, messages, social media, chat apps, video games,
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Speaker 1: et cetera. They go where people are right. So again,
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Speaker 1: I got a lot of respect for this woman to
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Speaker 1: come forward and tell her tale, because I think it's
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Speaker 1: much more compelling to hear from someone that's happened to
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Speaker 1: than old Doomsday Day with his two squal hat just
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Speaker 1: telling you this might happen to you, right exactly, this
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Speaker 1: will lost almost two hundred thousand dollars, and I'm reading
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Speaker 1: directly from the article. Eighty two year old grandmother lost
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Speaker 1: nearly two hundred thousand dollars after scammers used an AI
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Speaker 1: generated deep fake of a doctor to confense her to
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Speaker 1: convert her retirement savings to cryptocurrency. So she followed some
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Speaker 1: doctor I never heard of, she saw something online, reaches out,
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Speaker 1: and then the scammers again. I can ignore online right
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Speaker 1: now and create a Facebook profile and claim to beauty
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Speaker 1: when I want right you see that, you think you're
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Speaker 1: dealing with the real person. And this this has happened
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Speaker 1: many times. People have been scammed by celebrities quote unquote,
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Speaker 1: So scammer, you've reached out to me, and I use
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Speaker 1: deep fake tools to create video and audio that appears
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Speaker 1: to be this person. Easily done, especially if that person's
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Speaker 1: a celebrity. And I like to remind people, if you
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Speaker 1: have a voicemail greeting, I can call your phone, record
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Speaker 1: your voicemail greeting, and use free tools to clone your
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Speaker 1: voice in about fifteen minutes. I have done this numerous times,
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Speaker 1: including for a reporter out of a station in Columbus.
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Speaker 1: No way, it came down. Yeah, and we literally I'll
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Speaker 1: send you the link. Mind, we literally called his phone,
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Speaker 1: recorded his voicemail greeting, and then you can watch in
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Speaker 1: the interview how we turned his voice into me typing
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Speaker 1: on the keyboard and saying whatever I wanted to say
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Speaker 1: is him? This is real, folks, Well again this woman,
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Speaker 1: go ahead.
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Speaker 2: No, it's going to remind you about the secure word.
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Speaker 2: You're like my mom, like going back to my mom,
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Speaker 2: we have a password. If I ever received a phone
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Speaker 2: call from my mom and middle that I talked about
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Speaker 2: how she's in desperate help, Oh my god, something we
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Speaker 2: got a guy give me a gift card or whatever
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Speaker 2: scam they're going to use that way, what's the password?
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Speaker 2: No artificial intelligence is going to be able to know
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Speaker 2: what the specific password you orally establish with your loved
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Speaker 2: ones is. So start with that, and you know, if
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Speaker 2: they can't answer the question, then hang up.
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Speaker 1: Healthy does this skepticism And for your family and for
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Speaker 1: like senior executives in your company, for people that have
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Speaker 1: access to money, you should definitely have some kind of
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Speaker 1: password or passphrase that's only known between the people so
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Speaker 1: that when you start talking to one of these scammers
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Speaker 1: using one of these tools, whether they leave you a voicemail,
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Speaker 1: where do they try and do it real time? And
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Speaker 1: another tell for this is if you're talking to a
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Speaker 1: scammer or using some kind of deep bake tool to
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Speaker 1: close someone's voice, you may get a weird pause because
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Speaker 1: they have to type in what they want to respond
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Speaker 1: with and wait for it to generate. That concept. So
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Speaker 1: if you ask me a question and I don't respond
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Speaker 1: for like four or five seconds every time, your getting
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Speaker 1: scammed or there's some kind of network, but let me
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Speaker 1: last before a rount of times. So molec this individual
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Speaker 1: who got scammed hope the investment with security feature for
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Speaker 1: her autistic grandson and significantly increase of money, and trusted
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Speaker 1: doctor Corey. This person. Then it goes on to say,
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Speaker 1: now this is a direct quote from the article. I've
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Speaker 1: really respected doctor Corey for a long time, and it
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Speaker 1: was apparently an AI, which I don't understand that much
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Speaker 1: about Malek said, but it was him talking and he
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Speaker 1: was recommending a way to increase my money using crypto
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Speaker 1: unquot So this is the scam individual the victim explaining
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Speaker 1: exactly what happened. She says, there was a video of
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Speaker 1: him talking. It was obviously AI, and I don't know
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Speaker 1: how that works, but I believed it and I fell
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Speaker 1: for it, and I have nobody to blame but myself.
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Speaker 1: So again, yeah, she basically lost all her money and
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Speaker 1: I just I cannot truss enough clotes. This stuff is real. Again,
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Speaker 1: I will end today's show notes postal link to that
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Speaker 1: interview again with the reporter from Columbus, so people can
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Speaker 1: see for themselves how real this is. You're right, Brian, password, passphrase,
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Speaker 1: whatever you call it, but secret and known between your
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Speaker 1: key people, skepticism and it. But it's getting harder and
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Speaker 1: harder to tell looking at a video or an audio,
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Speaker 1: listening to an audio if it's real or not. The quality
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Speaker 1: of these things continues to go.
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Speaker 2: Up spring from the proposition that what you are looking
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Speaker 2: at or hearing is fake. Start there and then work
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Speaker 2: backward until you so you can establish that it's real.
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Speaker 2: So default mechanism, skepticism, cynicism, fake, learn something every day
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Speaker 2: with you, Dave Hammer at home man every single week.
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Speaker 1: World. Trust Now it's verified.
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Speaker 2: Don't go away. They're doing it at scale. Another reason
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Speaker 2: how it's become so easy to do all this. Yes,
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Speaker 2: there are seven eight billion people in the world, but no,
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Speaker 2: you will be the target of a scammer six forty
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Speaker 2: with six fifty one and fifty five KRCD Talk station
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Speaker 2: Tech Friday Me Dave had or one more segment here
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Speaker 2: to talk about industrial scale deep fake fraud's happening. But
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Speaker 2: you mentioned checking out the materials that he uses in
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Speaker 2: connection with this, and as well as stuff throughout the
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Speaker 2: week that Dave posts. The place you go for that
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Speaker 2: LinkedIn dot com. LinkedIn dot com just type in Dave
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Speaker 2: Hatter and you will certainly run into him right there.
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Speaker 2: So we've got inexpensive and easy to deploy at scale.
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Speaker 2: Apparently no longer required a great technical and computer experience
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Speaker 2: to do a deep fake. Anybody can do it, Dave.
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Brian, that is exactly right. This is a great book.
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Speaker 1: In to the last story about the woman who lost
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Speaker 1: a bunch of money to one of these stamps, yes,
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Speaker 1: unfortunately is not novel at this point. It's happening all
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Speaker 1: the time, and that's really what this story from the
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Speaker 1: Guardian gets at. And as I mentioned in that last segment,
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Speaker 1: so in my show notes, I'll post a link to
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Speaker 1: that interview I did with the Steve Levine from Columbus,
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Speaker 1: where we literally cloned his voice using a voicemail greeting
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Speaker 1: from his phone. So the Guardian says, AI content for
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Speaker 1: scams can be targeted individuals and produced by pretty much anybody.
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Speaker 1: Researchers say so, I'm reading directly from the article, and
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Speaker 1: they say, you know, deep fake is fraud as going
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Speaker 1: industrial tools to create tailor. He's a personalized scan letting.
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Speaker 1: For example, deep sake videos of sweets journalists with the
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Speaker 1: President of Cyprus are no longer niche, but inexpensive, easy
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Speaker 1: to deploy at scale, said the analyst. So let me again.
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Speaker 1: I have done several of these now just to demonstrate this.
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Speaker 1: Did one with John Mattaree here in town, did one,
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Speaker 1: let's see one with Fox nineteen one with ABC six
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Speaker 1: out of Columbus. And here's the bottom line, Brian. In
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Speaker 1: every one of these cases, I went out, especially the
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Speaker 1: first time with John Matteis, literally went out after he
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Speaker 1: said let's do this thing and you and I could
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Speaker 1: try this if you want. I just went and did
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Speaker 1: a search and found a site that claimed to be
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Speaker 1: able to do this, never done it before, had zero
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Speaker 1: experience with this found a fight. They claimed to do it,
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Speaker 1: created an account played with a little bit. John shows up.
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Speaker 1: He had to read a sentence to train the model,
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Speaker 1: and then you can literally watch me type of his
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Speaker 1: voice come out of my speakers. But I was over
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Speaker 1: two years two years ago. Not that great. And again
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Speaker 1: it's just audio. We did not try to do videos. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so fast forward to this last time I did this
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Speaker 1: with ABC six out of Columbus. Like I say, the
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Speaker 1: reporter shows up, he gives me a cell phone number.
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Speaker 1: I call his cell phone, I record, literally, put his
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Speaker 1: phone on a desk, turn my computer on, hit record,
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Speaker 1: I record his voice from his cell phone. I upload
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Speaker 1: that into a different tool that claims to be able
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Speaker 1: to do this, But I also had not used before
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Speaker 1: and did not spend any money on and within thirty
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Speaker 1: minutes you can watch me type and his voice come
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Speaker 1: out of my speakers. This is trivially easy. Now, what
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Speaker 1: they're trying to get out of the article is the
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Speaker 1: hackers have access to much better tools than the free
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Speaker 1: things I'm using. You know, would you pay let's say,
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Speaker 1: one hundred bucks a month to have access to a
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Speaker 1: much better tool with much higher capabilities? If you could
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Speaker 1: scam ten thousand dollars a day out of people, or
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Speaker 1: get on once a week two hundred thousand dollars hit
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Speaker 1: like on this poor woman who lost her her life savings.
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Speaker 1: You know, in many cases they may even be paying
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Speaker 1: for this stuff to get access to better tools. Now,
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Speaker 1: think of all the data that has been stolen leaked
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Speaker 1: about you. I keep trying to bring this back to people,
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Speaker 1: all these devices collecting your data, all of the people
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Speaker 1: who are willingly uploading their data all over the place
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Speaker 1: through these apps and the Internet of things devices, and
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Speaker 1: say something along the lines of I don't care about privacy,
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Speaker 1: I have nothing to worry about. Fine, great, you probably
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Speaker 1: don't understand surveillance capitalism or surveillance pricing, where your prices
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Speaker 1: are changed based on the profiles of data these companies
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Speaker 1: have about you. But when your data gets leaked and
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Speaker 1: you get one of those data breach notices, think of
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Speaker 1: all the data that might be capture recked you, especially
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Speaker 1: from a background check company like National Public Data that
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Speaker 1: lost two billion records. I know so much about you.
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Speaker 1: If I had access to a background check, I could
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Speaker 1: easily craft very very detailed and very very authentic appearing emails,
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Speaker 1: text messages, or deep sake voice calls and deep sake
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Speaker 1: video targeted at you. It's not just this sounds like
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Speaker 1: your son's voice or your boss's voice, or your spouse's
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Speaker 1: voice or whatever. They know things about you that theoretically
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Speaker 1: only that person would know because your data has been
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Speaker 1: stolen and leaked and they're using it to amp up
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Speaker 1: the social engineering and convince you that what you're seeing
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Speaker 1: or hearing is legit. Does this make sense what I'm
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Speaker 1: saying Brian to that, don't think people connect these dots.
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Speaker 1: And it's the key part of this. It's not just
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Speaker 1: the capability of these tools. It's they now have all
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Speaker 1: of this data to feed into it to create things
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Speaker 1: that unless you're aware of this, why would you question it? Right?
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Speaker 2: No, it's coming through loud and clear as it always does, Dave.
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Speaker 2: That's why I always say, you know, you've got to
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Speaker 2: pay attention to what you say every week, mean you
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Speaker 2: spell it out and very easy to understand, simplistic terms.
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Speaker 2: And who hasn't gotten to notice about some of their
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Speaker 2: data being leaked on the internet. And I might email
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Speaker 2: and my home address. You know, I got LifeLock and
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Speaker 2: it let me know every time somebody in the dark
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Speaker 2: webs posted information about me like lo and behold, gee,
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Speaker 2: how difficult is it to figure out where Thomas lives?
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Speaker 2: Those online auditors sites that can help you help you
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Speaker 2: do that, and a lot more data being stolen out
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Speaker 2: there and posted every place self. So heed what Dave
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Speaker 2: says LinkedIn dot com.
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Speaker 1: I hate to be the doing today guy. Well, it's real,
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Speaker 1: it's and they're not.
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Speaker 2: A gooday guy, you're just spelling out reality, Dave.
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Speaker 1: I know we're out of time, but to the end
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Speaker 1: of the LinkedIn is great at the time of their acts.
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Speaker 1: I also recentated the substack account. I'm going to try
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Speaker 1: to start writing more about this stuff and not just
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Speaker 1: sharing other people's stuff, but trying to focus in on
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Speaker 1: some of this stuff. So I'll post it on LinkedIn
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Speaker 1: and act.
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Speaker 2: Appreciate it's easy and trying to help folks, So keep
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Speaker 2: it up. Day already, appreciate you're doing us all a
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Speaker 2: great service. Thanks for your time today. Have a great weekend.
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Speaker 2: Brother six fifty seven