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A Compelling Faith in a Comprising Culture with Mike Tatlock & When Suffering Produces Hope with Susie Larson · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew.
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  S2: Come as you are, an experienced guide, overcome what seems
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  S2: impossible and live as you never imagined.
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  S1: Start your morning with a laugh.
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  S2: Cold spaghetti is great. Okay.
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  S3: Okay, I disagree. I guess not. No, I guess certainly
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  S3: it is not. No. Okay. Well, man, I'm going back.
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  S2: To my bachelor days. I guess I thought cold spaghetti
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  S2: was universally loved.
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  S4: I've never been known for, like, high levels of coordination.
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  S4: That's just. It feels like.
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  S2: I've never been known for high levels of coordination.
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  S1: Delivering the truth daily.
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  S4: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available
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  S4: and you're forfeiting your soul. There's no amount of gain
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  S4: that would make it worth it.
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  S5: Our own way never ever works because it's apart from
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  S5: the life source, which is God.
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  S6: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
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  S6: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
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  S6: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
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  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Colin Crew.
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  S2: I've got one thought on Iran and that is simply this.
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  S2: I love the aspirations of people. And yes, we pray
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  S2: for peace in Israel and we pray for peace around
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  S2: the globe. But here's here's the truth, guys. There will
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  S2: be no lasting peace until the Prince of Peace returns.
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  S2: And his name is Jesus. It's just it's just not
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  S2: going to happen. There are going to be conflicts. Uh,
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  S2: we have not had Gog and Magog. We have not
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  S2: had that battle. Uh, we have not seen, obviously, Armageddon.
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  S2: We have not seen the end. And will there be
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  S2: attempts at peace? Absolutely. Do I cheer for the Abraham Accords?
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  S2: Most certainly. Those are tremendous. But at the end of
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  S2: the day, they're pieces of paper. And what's going on
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  S2: right now, I, I just I'm thrilled that we we
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  S2: might be. We might be on the cusp of some
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  S2: kind of an agreement with Iran. But when you begin
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  S2: to look at Shia theology and you realize, oh, man,
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  S2: they see any agreement struck with us. We are infidels.
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  S2: That's their theology. And we can be lied to. Having
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  S2: a piece of paper and having an agreement fulfilled. The
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  S2: gap between those two things is bohemond's. And so we pray.
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  S2: But here's what we're doing with the morning show and
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  S2: all across the dial here at Moody Radio, we want
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  S2: to turn people on to the Prince of Peace today.
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  S2: We want people to know where they stand with God
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  S2: and that he can stand with you. That's our hope.
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  S2: That's our heart's cry. And I don't know how you
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  S2: landed here on this Freedom Friday. I'm just glad you're here. Right, guys?
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  S4: Glad everyone's.
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  S3: Here.
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  S5: Absolutely. No matter how you got.
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  S3: Here, no matter how you got.
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  S2: Here. And some of you have been with us a
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  S2: long time. But there is no peace apart from the
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  S2: Prince of Peace. And there is a prince and power
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  S2: of the air that is battling right now for you.
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  S2: We were looking at a text yesterday in Second Corinthians
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  S2: that Satan wants to outwit us. Well, he's a deceiver
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  S2: and he's an accuser. But that deception piece is huge.
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  S2: Many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord,
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  S2: and he's going to say, I never knew you. And
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  S2: these are spiritually active people. I mean, they're preaching in
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  S2: the name of Jesus. They're casting out demons in the
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  S2: name of Jesus, and they're doing mighty works in the
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  S2: name of Jesus. And I know if you've been here
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  S2: any time at all, you're like, Karl, you've said that,
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  S2: and I'm going to keep saying it. Here's why. There
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  S2: are many listening right now that the God of this
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  S2: age has blinded their minds. But by the power of
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  S2: the Holy Spirit, when we proclaim the Good News that
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  S2: Jesus came to set captives free. A veil falls down
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  S2: and hope is offered up. And there's some of you
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  S2: that are feeling the pressure of life. And you, you're wondering,
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  S2: and you're hanging on words, and you hear things that
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  S2: are said here and you're like, oh, that would be great,
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  S2: but listen to me. There is no pressure lifted until
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  S2: Jesus Christ takes up sole residence in your heart. Complete
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  S2: and total. And there's an attempt by a lot of
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  S2: people to add Jesus to our life. But until there's
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  S2: a complete and total takeover take over. We've heard those
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  S2: words used a lot when we live in Chicago. We
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  S2: find takeovers of streets or takeovers of intersections. But put
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  S2: that to the positive sense, the intersection of your soul
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  S2: and your reality when Jesus Christ takes over. That it's
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  S2: not chaos, it's peace. He said, come to me, all
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  S2: who are weary and heavy laden. You got pressure. He says,
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  S2: I'll give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and
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  S2: learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart,
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  S2: and you will find rest for your souls. For my
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  S2: yoke is easy and my burden is light. And on
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  S2: this Freedom Friday, no matter how long you've been in church,
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  S2: no matter if you've never been to a church, it's
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  S2: not about going to church. It's about being in relationship
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  S2: with Jesus Christ. And then he will compel you, by
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  S2: the power of the spirit to not just go to church,
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  S2: but be the church and be involved in a church.
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  S2: So first things first. Have you ever been made right
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  S2: with God by the power of the Holy Spirit? Just
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  S2: straight up. Have you ever really been made right with God?
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  S2: And in this moment, this is what you need to know.
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  S2: The Spirit of God is calling you to look at
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  S2: yourself and say, I'm a sinner who needs a Savior.
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  S2: Someone to save my soul. No more pressure of putting
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  S2: it all on your shoulders. Friends, listen to me. The
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  S2: pressure is off. Jesus Christ came to set you free.
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  S2: It's a gift of God so that no one can boast.
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  S2: And maybe in your heart, you've boasted about some of
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  S2: the stuff that you've done for God. I've got a
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  S2: question for you. Do you stand with God And does
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  S2: God stand with you? And the only way you can
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  S2: know that is to look in the mirror of your
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  S2: soul and go, shoot, I'm a sinner, I. I'm missing
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  S2: the mark. That's what that means. I need a savior.
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  S2: I need someone to save me from me. That's what
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  S2: Jesus came to do. He came into this broken, fallen,
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  S2: sinful world and he said, hey, I know you were
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  S2: born with your back to God, but come follow me
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  S2: and then follow him. And if this morning you're saying, Carl,
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  S2: I realize for the first time in my life I'm
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  S2: a sinner, I need a savior, and I'm giving everything
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  S2: I am to Jesus Christ today. That's the Spirit of
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  S2: God that's causing that to happen. It's a supernatural pneuma
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  S2: Wind that is blowing into your soul this morning. And
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  S2: he's changing you. And if God is transforming your soul today,
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  S2: he's transforming your heart. He's changing your mind about what
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  S2: you've thought about yourself, and he's now convincing you that
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  S2: you need a Savior. And his name is Jesus. And today,
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  S2: you're surrendering all you are to Jesus Christ. We want
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  S2: to help you. So how do we want to help
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  S2: everyone today?
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  S6: Absolutely. You want to get some very, very important material
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  S6: into you. We want to welcome you to the family
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  S6: in the right way to give you resources, whether wherever
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  S6: you live, we've got people in those areas. Get a
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  S6: Bible in your hand. Want to help you find a
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  S6: good church, a good community? Again, just opening our arms
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  S6: to you. We want you to do this and not
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  S6: be alone. We want to welcome you to the family
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  S6: to get this information to you, to welcome you. Text
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  S6: the word new. That's all you have to do is
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  S6: text that word new. The number is 805 557898, text
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  S6: new to 805 557898. And yes, we mean it. Welcome
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  S6: to the family.
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  S2: Yeah yeah yeah. And I know how this goes because
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  S2: I was driving like some of you are right now.
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  S2: And the Lord just told me, are you done yet?
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  S2: And I said, I'm done. And I wish I would
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  S2: have had someone that said, well, here's how you can
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  S2: take your first steps. And I got that soon thereafter,
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  S2: about four hours later, someone stepped into my life and said,
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  S2: let me tell you where we got to go now.
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  S2: But if that's you today, we want to help you
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  S2: right now. We're going to help you in your first
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  S2: steps with Jesus. Just get to the side of the road.
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  S2: Grab your phone, text the word new, one word new
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  S2: to 805 557898. One word new to 805, five, five, 78, 98.
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  S2: And welcome to the family. So great man. The power
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  S2: of God to change lives, to change you. Aren't you
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  S2: awestruck by that today? Those of you that are just
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  S2: surrendering to Christ for the first time, isn't it awe
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  S2: inspiring that Jesus can, in an instant reach into your
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  S2: soul and say, I'm making you new? Text new to
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  S2: 805 557898.
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  S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
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  S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
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  S1: Moody Radio.
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  S2: Carl and crew on this Freedom Friday, and we're teeing
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  S2: up a question for you. It's a real simple one
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  S2: boom crew, and I'm asking those of you that can
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  S2: put your finger on the answer to this question to
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  S2: give us a call. And it's a beautiful, beautiful testimony
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  S2: of God's power to do what you couldn't do yourself.
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  S2: You were under pressure, and I don't know what that
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  S2: pressure was. That's part of the answer. But you were
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  S2: under pressure, and by God's grace, he saved your soul.
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  S2: And that pressure was relieved. What pressure was relieved because
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  S2: of the new birth miracle in your life? What pressure
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  S2: did God lift from your shoulders by saving your soul?
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  S2: What was it? It's time to open phone lines and testify.
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  S2: This is so not about you. It's about the grace
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  S2: of God. And he set you free. And you've got
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  S2: a story to tell and somebody needs to hear it.
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  S2: What pressure did God free you from through a relationship
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  S2: with Jesus Christ? What was it, practically 805 557898, give
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  S2: us a call, light them up wherever you are. Never
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  S2: call before. This is your opportunity. 805 557898.
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  S1: Take your next step with Jesus today. You're listening to
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  S1: cast and crew.
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  S2: Look, there is ongoing pressure. We're guaranteed it for those
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  S2: who are in Christ Jesus. But the pressure that is
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  S2: relieved when we come into relationship with Jesus Christ is
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  S2: almost hard to get your head around. And so a
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  S2: simple question we have is what pressure did God release
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  S2: you from when you came to faith in Jesus Christ?
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  S2: Give us a call (800) 555-7898. Go to the phone lines.
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  S2: Anna Marie in Chicago. What do you say? Anna Marie?
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  S7: Hi, how are you? Good morning. I, um, I just
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  S7: want to say that, um, I was a cocaine addict
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  S7: for ten years. And after seeing death stare me in
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  S7: the face, I went ahead and got in the shower,
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  S7: cried out to God and two nights later I was
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  S7: set free. I didn't have to go to rehab. I
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  S7: was free from the urge of wanting to do drugs anymore.
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  S7: I can't explain it, but God is our healer and
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  S7: he hears us.
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  S2: Yeah. Right on.
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  S7: The pressure of not being a good mom, not being
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  S7: a good spouse, not being there for Jesus, for God,
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  S7: the Holy Spirit.
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  S2: Yeah. Way to go, Anna Marie. Good word, sister. Yeah.
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  S2: The pressure comes off when we surrender all to Jesus Christ.
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  S2: It's amazing. Mavis. First time caller in Florida. What was
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  S2: that pressure and what did God do to release you
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  S2: from it?
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  S8: Yes, mine was demonic, um, depression. And I believe that
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  S8: that spirit was on me for constantly disobeying God and
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  S8: not walking in his will. I was not saved. I
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  S8: do not know the Lord. And I was on this
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  S8: high rise building, planning my suicide. And I cried out
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  S8: to the Lord, and he revealed himself to me on
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  S8: that high rise building. And that pressure was lifted. And
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  S8: I did not want to commit suicide anymore. And as
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  S8: of that day, I start to walk with the Lord.
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  S8: And we're talking about over 30 years now.
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  S2: Oh, Mavis, thank you so much for calling in, sister.
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  S2: What a great testimony. The pressure lifted because we surrender
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  S2: our lives to Jesus is amazing. On this Freedom Friday,
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  S2: we got time maybe to get you in here. 805 five, five, 78,
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  S2: 98 what pressure did God release you from when you
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  S2: came to faith in him? 805 557898 Young Thunder. What
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  S2: do you say, my man?
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  S5: Yeah. For me it was the pressure of of Thinking
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  S5: that it was up to me to sanctify myself. You know, I,
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  S5: I was one of those. We've been talking about him
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  S5: today who had the illusion of salvation. I thought I
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  S5: had a relationship with Jesus when I didn't, I believed
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  S5: he existed. And near the end of my unsaved journey
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  S5: to being saved, he was putting a lot of sin
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  S5: on my heart. Sin I had struggled with for years. Uh,
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  S5: and I guess I would say struggled with, not struggled
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  S5: with for a time. And then at the end, he
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  S5: was like, hey, look at this. And then I struggled
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  S5: with it and I was met with my inability to
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  S5: do it on my own. But I remember days where
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  S5: I was like driving in the car saying, okay, Lord,
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  S5: I'm done. This is it. It's over. And then it wasn't.
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  S5: And I would kind of have that feeling, Carl, like
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  S5: you were indicating. Yeah. Why do I not get it? Why?
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  S5: Why does other people have this power that I don't have?
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  S5: And when I finally came to the conclusion that I
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  S5: didn't have a relationship with Jesus. I had never followed
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  S5: and never surrendered my life, and I did then those
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  S5: sins that I had struggled with again for years and
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  S5: couldn't let go of on my own dropped. And I've
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  S5: been free for over six years. And it's because of
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  S5: the power of God. Thankfully have never turned back. And
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  S5: I know I couldn't have done it without him. And
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  S5: now I don't have to hold that pressure of trying
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  S5: to do it without him.
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  S2: And give give the good news here. What do people
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  S2: need to hear right now who resonate with you, young Thunder?
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  S5: Yeah, you. You may be feeling that right now. I
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  S5: grew up in church. My parents were super involved in
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  S5: ministry and I got super involved in ministry. I've been
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  S5: going to church once or twice a week for all
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  S5: my life. I, I went on missions trips, I was
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  S5: on the worship team. All those things were true about
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  S5: me too. But I didn't have a relationship with Jesus.
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  S5: I believed that he existed. Maybe you believed that he exists?
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  S5: Maybe you believe that he died for our sins, but
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  S5: maybe two. It kind of stopped there at an intellectual assent,
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  S5: maybe a desire to kind of get the benefits without
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  S5: surrendering any of your life.
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  S2: That's it, isn't it?
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  S5: Yeah. It is. I believe it's in John. Is it
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  S5: John 12, where Jesus says, if a if a grain
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  S5: falls to the ground and does not die, it remains alone.
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  S5: But if it dies, it bears much fruit. Jesus doesn't.
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  S5: He asks us to believe. Do not get me wrong,
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  S5: and it is from faith and faith alone that we
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  S5: are saved. But he asks us to surrender our lives
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  S5: to him. He asks us to die to ourselves and
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  S5: to follow him.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S2: Yeah. Let me give you that verse, Jonathan. It's verse
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  S2: 24 in John 12. Listen to this, because this is
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  S2: what the Lord has for you today. Truly, truly, I
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  S2: say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into
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  S2: the earth and dies, it remains alone. But if it dies,
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  S2: it bears much fruit. Whoever loves whoever loves his life
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  S2: loses it. And whoever hates his life in this world
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  S2: will keep it for eternal life. And the hating of
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  S2: the life in this world is the hating of the
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  S2: life that you've built for yourself, or that somebody else
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  S2: has constructed for you. But if you fall to the
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  S2: ground and die, what's crazy about salvation is that the
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  S2: life you've tried to find in yourself has to come
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  S2: to a crashing end. But when it does, you will
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  S2: no longer be alone. You will have relationship with Jesus.
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  S2: It's powerful, isn't it, Jonathan?
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  S5: It's power. It's game changing because that feeling of there
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  S5: has to be something more than this. This ain't it
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  S5: is a real feeling before you surrender to Jesus? If
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  S5: you're just doing the Christian thing and you're just going
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  S5: to church on Sundays and it's just kind of there,
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  S5: but it's not really. Jesus is not at your center.
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  S5: You have not surrendered all to him. It will feel
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  S5: like there's something missing because it is missing. Yeah. He
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  S5: needs to be your Lord and your savior. Both equally important.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S2: And what's on my heart right now. And I don't
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  S2: know where this is coming from except from the Spirit
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  S2: of God. Somebody has been suicidal. You feel like there
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  S2: is no chance. You are here for a reason. You
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  S2: are here to hear the loving voice of God. More
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  S2: than Jonathan, more than myself, more than somebody. It's the
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  S2: voice of God saying to you today, come here. You're
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  S2: weary and heavy laden. I'm going to give you rest.
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  S3: Yeah, yeah.
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  S2: You might be just like Mavis. Depressed, suicidal, too scared
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  S2: to take your own life, but wondering where in the
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  S2: world life has found. Give your life to Jesus today friend.
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  S2: Every bit of you. And if that's you, you're just
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  S2: crying out to God. Heart wide open to God saying,
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  S2: God save me, save me, change me, do what you
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  S2: will with me. I'm dying to self today. You know
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  S2: what the promise is, John 12. You're going to bear
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  S2: much fruit. How can someone go from being isolated, alone
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  S2: and empty to bearing much fruit? It's by God's grace alone.
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  S2: Tap that grace today. If you're surrendering all you are
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  S2: to Jesus for the very first time. I don't care
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  S2: how long you've been in church, it doesn't matter. I
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  S2: don't care if you're an elder. I don't care if
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  S2: you're on a worship team. I don't care if you're
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  S2: a pastor. If you've never before surrendered to Jesus. Today
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  S2: is your day. Just text the word new and we're
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  S1: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
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  S2: So when you see this culture that we live in
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  S2: going sideways, what do you do? I mean, we talk
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  S2: about the high ridge around here all the time. One
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  S2: side is, oh man, I'm going to stick my head
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  S2: in the sand. I'm going to go to a bunker.
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  S2: I don't know if I can weather the storm. The
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  S2: other side is you turn into an angry evangelical and
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  S2: we know where that leads us. Right, guys? Nowhere.
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  S5: Oh, goodness. Yeah. I mean, it does it does no
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  S5: good to be angry about any of this stuff.
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  S2: Mike Tatlock is with me right now. I love this
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  S2: guy already. He's lead pastor of Grace Chapel Church in Portland, Oregon,
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  S2: which is kind of really one of the forerunner cities
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  S2: of post-Christian culture. Wow. What's it like preaching there, my man?
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  S9: I love how you said, you know, everywhere I travel,
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  S9: people go, man, you're from Portland. How are you doing?
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  S9: Can we pray for you?
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  S2: And you get a lot of prayer, right?
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  S9: It's so true. And I tell everybody, I'm like, you
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  S9: know what? The headlines are real, man. Like, I'm not
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  S9: gonna lie to you. And I said, there's two headlines, though.
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  S9: There's the headlines that we read in the news and
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  S9: all that's true, the chaos and riots and conflict. And
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  S9: I said, but man, in the last few years, there's
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  S9: a whole nother headline. If the headline of Heaven and
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  S9: the Kingdom, and we're just seeing amazing opportunities for the
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  S9: gospel to be shared, we're seeing churches are actually growing
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  S9: out here. We're going from one of the least church
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  S9: states to now we're seeing churches are overflowing. People are
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  S9: adding services and there seems to be a hunger, a curiosity.
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  S9: And so we're right smack in the middle of a
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  S9: war zone, a culture war zone. And yet God is
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  S9: doing some really incredible things. And so there's a lot
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  S9: to learn from where we're at right now.
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  S2: Yeah. Mike. Uh, not just lead pastor of Grace chapel,
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  S2: but you were teaching Prof. For Prairie Bible College and
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  S2: Multnomah Bible College. You must hold strong to biblical fidelity,
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  S2: even with regard to marriage and sexuality and those things.
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  S2: How's that going?
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  S9: You know, I love the question because, you know, I
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  S9: wrote the book with the title The Compelling Faith and
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  S9: a Compromising Culture. And here's what I learned about that
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  S9: word compromise. I always thought compromise was a a term
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  S9: for conflict resolution or two people trying to figure out
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  S9: what restaurant they want to go to and can't decide. Yeah.
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  S9: You know, like, let's just end up somewhere in the middle. And,
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  S9: and actually that word compromise, when you look at the word,
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  S9: the word promise is in the word compromise. Yeah. And
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  S9: so the root word means to make agreements with the
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  S9: wrong promises. And I think where I have seen most
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  S9: compromise of faith, compromise of integrity, compromise of leadership, it's
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  S9: when we've made agreements with the wrong promises. And in
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  S9: this culture war right now, there's a lot of overpromising
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  S9: under delivery. There's a lot of redefining the terms. Uh,
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  S9: you know, we live in a culture right now where
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  S9: love is being defined. You have to affirm and agree
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  S9: with everybody. And I think that path can lead down
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  S9: towards compromise, where as believers, we want to love everyone.
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  S9: But that doesn't mean we have to agree and affirm everything.
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  S9: And so how do we hold to our convictions, hold
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  S9: to a biblical worldview, and live that out in a
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  S9: way where we have our strong convictions, but we live
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  S9: with compassion and hold the tension of those two things together.
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  S9: And that's that's been the path that we're living out
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  S9: here with.
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  S3: Well, let.
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  S2: Me role play that for you. So somebody walks up
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  S2: to you and says, hey, pastor Mike, I've been coming
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  S2: here on the weekends and I really enjoy some of
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  S2: what's going on here. But I got to be honest
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  S2: with you, I have same sex attractions so much so
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  S2: I'm thinking about getting married. I'm hitting you hard here, dude.
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  S2: How do you as a how do you as a
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  S2: pastor respond to that person? What do you say right then.
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  S9: Happens all the time. So it's not even a hypothetical.
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  S9: We we hear it nonstop and, uh, or couples that
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  S9: come in and say, hey, we're married, we're, we're same
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  S9: sex marriage, we're married, we, we love the church, we
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  S9: love Sundays. And this is what we tell people say
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  S9: everybody's welcome to come here and hear about Christ. But
• 26:59
  S9: if you're going to follow Christ, it's going to cost
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  S9: you your life. And what that means is, and we,
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  S9: we just tell everyone, it doesn't matter whether you have
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  S9: same sex attraction or you struggle with greed or you
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  S9: struggle with like, it doesn't matter what you struggle with.
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  S9: Scripture says the way of following Jesus means to put
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  S9: him first to die to self. And that means we
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  S9: have to take what we feel, what we think, what
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  S9: we believe, and hold that up to. What does Jesus
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  S9: say when it comes to following him, aligning our lives
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  S9: with him so we level the playing field. Doesn't matter
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  S9: where you're at, what you struggle with, we in fact,
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  S9: are church values. Number one, die to self. And so
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  S9: we preach a message of pick up your cross daily.
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  S9: Follow Christ means to put him at the center. And
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  S9: it doesn't matter what I believe, what I think in
• 27:42
  S9: a relativistic culture which says you can be your own truth,
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  S9: we go after it every week. But here's the interesting
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  S9: thing is, every time we've said that, we've had people
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  S9: look at us and say, thank you so much for
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  S9: telling us the truth. Whether they agree with it or not,
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  S9: they actually go, thanks for telling us the truth.
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  S2: Yeah, see, you're not shaking hands with bad promises, Mike.
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  S9: I love that. No, not at all. And I think
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  S9: that's what we're actually seeing out here. People want straight truth,
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  S9: whether they agree with it or not. And of course,
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  S9: we all know how you share. That is critical. Yes.
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  S9: You know, the vessel in which we share that, we
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  S9: say it here. We need to have bold humility. So
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  S9: let's be bold with the gospel. Be bold with God's Word.
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  S9: But man, we gotta have a posture of humility. And
• 28:25
  S9: those two things together, the Spirit of God can work
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  S9: through that.
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  S2: I love it. Mike Tatlock, my guest right now, he
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  S2: is lead pastor of Grace Chapel Church in Portland, Oregon.
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  S2: And man, I love this. Did you ever have a
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  S2: time in your life when you struggled with angry evangelicalism?
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  S2: And I'm going to confess here when when I was
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  S2: brand new at Multnomah Bible College back in the day.
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  S2: It's weird here. I've been set free from all this
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  S2: crazy carousing, cocaine, the whole mess. And then I pendulum swung,
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  S2: and for a season, I became an angry evangelical. I mean,
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  S2: I had this stringent little box. Now, thankfully, God broke
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  S2: me when I lived for a year in South Africa
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  S2: shortly thereafter. But man, how do you shepherd people from
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  S2: angry evangelical into this? I love it, this humility that
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  S2: bursts compassion.
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  S9: One of the biggest things is I've noticed that, you know,
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  S9: we talk about scripture, speaks about. John says, test the spirits. Right.
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  S9: And meaning that behind the culture war there's a spiritual war.
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  S9: I mean, that's just so crystal clear in the scriptures
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  S9: that when we look at people, we have to understand
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  S9: that there's a spiritual blindness and that that even for
• 29:34
  S9: someone like me, that may be walking with Christ to
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  S9: have a posture that's not like, hey guys, thank you.
• 29:39
  S9: I'm not like that person, that arrogance. And we talk
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  S9: a lot about this culture that is rebelling against God
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  S9: in terms of relativism. It's it's me. It's all about
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  S9: what I define. And we can be really harsh on that.
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  S9: But one of the, I think the dangers in the
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  S9: church and I talk about this in the book is
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  S9: the religious spirit, not just the rebellious spirit, which is
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  S9: kind of turning from God doing your own thing, but
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  S9: that religious spirit in the church. And you see that
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  S9: play out honestly in the story of the prodigal son.
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  S9: You see the prodigal son, which who represents the rebellious spirit.
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  S9: You know, he ran off, did his thing. When he
• 30:15
  S9: comes home, the older brother is is upset that the
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  S9: grace of the father was there. And that older brother,
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  S9: I think, is maybe the bigger part of that story,
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  S9: because he represents the religious spirit, which is anti grace,
• 30:28
  S9: which is anti mercy, which ultimately is anti gospel. And
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  S9: so I think that animosity of the religious spirit that
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  S9: brews inside the church is as deadly as what we
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  S9: see outside the church with the rebellious spirit.
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  S2: What's going on in the heart of someone that has
• 30:44
  S2: a religious spirit that God needs to break?
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  S9: Yeah. I think, you know, it's so amazing. Paul in
• 30:54
  S9: Galatians goes after the religious spirit and he says, hey,
• 30:59
  S9: this is something that who has bewitched you? Galatians three says.
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  S9: He says, you started in the spirit, but now you're
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  S9: living by the flesh. And he's contrasting this works based, religious,
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  S9: performance oriented, which really creates a self-righteous spirit or self-righteous posture.
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  S9: And I think at the end of the day, he
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  S9: actually says in Galatians to those people you have fallen
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  S9: from grace. You know, I always heard that phrase falling
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  S9: from grace. It was some leader that, you know, was
• 31:26
  S9: in an affair or something like that. And we go, oh,
• 31:28
  S9: they fell from grace. That's not actually the context of that,
• 31:31
  S9: that phrase. He's talking to people who are looking to
• 31:33
  S9: their performance, their own self righteousness. And he says, you
• 31:37
  S9: have fallen from grace. And so it's falling from grace
• 31:41
  S9: has less to do with a sinfulness in that sense.
• 31:44
  S9: And it has more to do with a self-righteousness. And
• 31:48
  S9: he says, you've fallen from grace and you have alienated
• 31:50
  S9: yourselves from Christ. Wow. Those are strong words. So I
• 31:54
  S9: think we have to come back to what is truly grace.
• 31:57
  S9: Grace is not just license to sin, it's power from
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  S9: self righteousness. And we need that grace message today more
• 32:04
  S9: than ever.
• 32:05
  S2: I love this man. Mike, I gotta tell you, you
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  S2: are in the frequent flyer club whether you wanted to
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  S2: be or not. We are going to ring you up
• 32:13
  S2: more than you can handle. Uh. The name of the
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  S2: book is a compelling faith in a compromising culture. And
• 32:21
  S2: this is what Mike's framing out here. This is the
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  S2: I finally had to stop. Finally had to stop. I
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  S2: was starting to feel like, oh, this is going to
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  S2: be embarrassing.
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  S5: What are you talking about?
• 33:11
  S2: I was so hungry yesterday. I do intermittent fasting, and
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  S2: then I took it a little bit longer and had
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  S2: some appointments. And then I had to go because I
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  S2: got to go see what's going on. We got a
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  S2: campus here for one of our two church campuses that
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  S2: has a new building in Rolling Meadows, Illinois, and they're
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  S2: renovating it. And it's it's going to be great. So
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  S2: I had to go see the renovations, drop a few
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  S2: things off.
• 33:35
  S3: Exciting.
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  S2: Stuff like that. But I'm, I'm waiting to eat, waiting
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  S2: to eat, waiting to eat. And I'm like, man, I
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  S2: am like really hungry. And I'm driving toward home and I'm,
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  S2: I look up and I see this sushi joint and
• 33:51
  S2: it's all you can eat. And so I like wheel
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  S2: in there. And I look at the lunch cost and
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  S2: it's like, ain't cheap, man. 2750 for all you can eat.
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  S2: But I know I'm really hungry and I know I'll
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  S2: get my money's worth out of this thing because I
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  S2: haven't eaten now for like, I don't know, 18 hours
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  S2: or something. So I sit down and I order some
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  S2: edamame and I woofed that down and I ordered some
• 34:20
  S2: Goya and I woofed those down. And then I get
• 34:23
  S2: into I love sashimi, which is just raw fish, but
• 34:28
  S2: they got nigiri, which is basically raw fish layered over
• 34:31
  S2: a little, little wad of white rice. And that's so good, man.
• 34:37
  S2: You get wasabi with soy sauce and mix it up
• 34:41
  S2: and get those ginger pieces and drape it on there.
• 34:45
  S2: And I start eating and I order four and four
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  S2: more and four more and four more and four more.
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  S3: I'm sorry. And I just can't pour more you.
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  S6: Doing.
• 34:57
  S3: That.
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  S2: And I'm eating tuna and yellowtail and I'm going back
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  S2: and forth, and I order four more and I order
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  S2: four more.
• 35:06
  S5: That's like 32.
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  S3: Really? Yeah.
• 35:08
  S2: I got guys, I got up to 32.
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  S3: That's insane.
• 35:12
  S2: I got up to 32 nigiri. And I'm looking on
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  S2: the menu. And if you order these things like normal
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  S2: kind of dining situation. Yeah, I'm up to with my
• 35:24
  S2: edamame and everything else. I'm up to like $115.
• 35:29
  S3: Wow. And here's what's crazy, right?
• 35:33
  S2: Here's what's.
• 35:34
  S3: Crazy.
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  S2: I think I could have eaten 16 more.
• 35:38
  S5: I know.
• 35:38
  S3: That at.
• 35:39
  S2: This point, the, the, the, the sushi guys behind the
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  S2: glass counter.
• 35:44
  S3: Yeah, yeah.
• 35:45
  S2: They're starting to look over at me.
• 35:46
  S5: Yeah, like this guy's gonna bankrupt us.
• 35:48
  S3: They probably can't believe it. And I felt bad and.
• 35:52
  S2: And the gal came up to me and she said,
• 35:55
  S2: are you done?
• 35:56
  S3: I said, done. I said.
• 35:58
  S2: I'm not, but I think I need to be because
• 36:01
  S2: I'm feeling bad. And you know what she said? Okay, good.
• 36:05
  S3: Okay.
• 36:08
  S2: Because I think that was I think I think they're
• 36:10
  S2: talking about me back there.
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  S5: I'm sure. Well, the fact it's like it's not like
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  S5: a family of 4 or 5 that have come in
• 36:16
  S5: and have eaten 32 nigiri. It's one man has come
• 36:19
  S5: in and ordered edamame, gyoza and 32 nakiri.
• 36:25
  S2: And it was so good. And what's.
• 36:28
  S4: What's.
• 36:29
  S2: Wild is I wasn't full. I mean, I was filling up,
• 36:34
  S2: I'll grant you that.
• 36:35
  S5: Yeah, sure. Sure.
• 36:36
  S2: Because these were generous portions, I will say on the
• 36:39
  S2: last four yellowtail that I ordered, they were getting a
• 36:42
  S2: little thinner. On the top of that rice.
• 36:45
  S5: They said, find a way, find a way.
• 36:47
  S2: They're like, hey, cut that sucker right down the middle.
• 36:50
  S2: This guy's going crazy on us here. But I felt bad.
• 36:53
  S2: And so here's a, here's a question for you, boom crew.
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  S2: If it says all you can eat, should you take
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  S2: them at their word or should you stop when you've
• 37:04
  S2: racked up $115 worth of retail value? Yeah. And I,
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  S2: and I, because I really. I just felt bad.
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  S5: That's fair.
• 37:14
  S2: I'm like, I'm clobbering these people. I guess this ain't right.
• 37:18
  S5: I've never gotten to the point where I made the
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  S5: chef worried about about how much I was challenging the
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  S5: all you can eat thing. I can do it all.
• 37:26
  S5: You can eat.
• 37:27
  S2: But can you feel that with me?
• 37:29
  S5: I can feel it. Though. I agree with you. I
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  S5: think that there's I because at first I would have
• 37:33
  S5: been like, no, just they said all you can eat,
• 37:36
  S5: so go get it. But at the same time, I
• 37:39
  S5: understand when they start giving you looks and they're getting
• 37:41
  S5: a little worried and you're like, all right, I'll save
• 37:43
  S5: you guys some money and I'll stop ordering.
• 37:45
  S6: Fine.
• 37:46
  S5: That's fair. I think that's fair.
• 37:49
  S2: Oh, somebody just texted one very skinny man. They have
• 37:53
  S2: a picture of you now posted at the entrance in
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  S2: the kitchen. No more sushi for you, Carl.
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  S6: Yeah.
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  S5: That's really.
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  S2: Funny. I don't know if you were me. Boom crew,
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  S2: what would you do? Would you bail out at 32?
• 38:05
  S2: You've already dinged them for $115. But I felt bad.
• 38:10
  S5: So okay. So $115. What did you pay for? Like
• 38:14
  S5: what was the.
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  S2: 2750 for the all you can eat?
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  S6: You I mean, I can't picture you.
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  S2: I still. Oh no. I can put this I you
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  S2: give me raw fish. I can put it away.
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  S4: Okay. Put them.
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  S5: Obviously you put them 100 in the hole yesterday.
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  S2: Oh, great. Thanks, Jonathan. I really appreciate that, man. Somebody
• 38:37
  S2: just said, don't shame yourself, Carl. If it's all you
• 38:41
  S2: can eat. Eat as much as you can. I don't know.
• 38:44
  S5: I, I.
• 38:45
  S2: Don't know about that. It's it's great. Honest to goodness.
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  S5: Yeah.
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  S2: For sure. 16 more. I could have eaten.
• 38:52
  S5: Yeah. You know what I'll say this. I'll say this.
• 38:54
  S5: And I think that I, I actually kind of agree
• 38:56
  S5: with this person who says, if it's all you can eat,
• 38:58
  S5: it's all you can eat. They have to account for
• 39:01
  S5: this a little bit understanding that there are going to
• 39:04
  S5: be some people in here who are gonna put them
• 39:06
  S5: in the hole a little bit. And then there are
• 39:08
  S5: some people who are going to do that and then
• 39:10
  S5: can eat way less than what is 27, 50 or whatever.
• 39:14
  S5: You know, so so I think that you're okay. There
• 39:18
  S5: are going to be plenty more people who even it
• 39:20
  S5: out in that restaurant.
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  S2: Yeah, that was what I was thinking. Yeah. In fact,
• 39:24
  S2: I was looking around.
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  S6: You.
• 39:26
  S2: Know, and there were two young ladies that were on
• 39:28
  S2: the all you can eat menu. I could tell by
• 39:29
  S2: the way they were ordering, but they were slowing down.
• 39:32
  S2: So they're like, all right, well, that makes up for
• 39:33
  S2: me a little bit right there. Yeah. Oh, boy. Got
• 39:36
  S2: a lot of feedback coming in here. I hope you
• 39:38
  S2: left a healthy tip. I do only because my bride
• 39:42
  S2: was a waitress. So when I got married, I found out, wow, what?
• 39:45
  S2: I was tipping ain't cutting it, so. Yeah, I did tip. Well.
• 39:51
  S5: Um, I have one more one more question because I,
• 39:53
  S5: this I'm reminded of a story that you shared a
• 39:57
  S5: little while ago where you took your, at the time,
• 40:00
  S5: young son, into a buffet where kids ate free and.
• 40:05
  S2: Yeah, it was our kids. They were eating Indian food
• 40:09
  S2: in little Rock, Arkansas, and kids ate free. One Sunday
• 40:13
  S2: we went back the next Sunday and because of them,
• 40:17
  S2: that was gone.
• 40:18
  S5: You said, no joking. You said what happened to the
• 40:20
  S5: kids eat free and you said your kids. It runs
• 40:26
  S5: in the family, bro. That's awesome.
• 40:28
  S10: So good. They remembered.
• 40:30
  S2: Oh.
• 40:30
  S10: That's hilarious.
• 40:32
  S2: I don't know, what would you do? Boom crew on
• 40:34
  S2: something like that. What would you do? 805. Five. Five. 78. 98.
• 40:39
  S2: Is anyone with me? I'm here in times of inflation.
• 40:42
  S10: Eat up a few supporters out there. You do?
• 40:46
  S2: I think that markup on the food is high enough
• 40:48
  S2: that they don't lose as much money. That's what I
• 40:50
  S2: was thinking.
• 40:51
  S5: That's also probably.
• 40:52
  S2: True, but there's no way they if they made anything,
• 40:54
  S2: it was. Yeah, it was like a buck.
• 40:57
  S5: I also like the idea of like 18 Nigerian. You're
• 41:01
  S5: like talking with yourself about like, I think I'm allowed
• 41:04
  S5: to go a little bit more. And then like 32,
• 41:06
  S5: you're like, all right, I have to cut it out.
• 41:08
  S5: That's awesome.
• 41:09
  S10: Doing the math in his head.
• 41:11
  S2: Well, they're bringing out plate after plate after plate after
• 41:14
  S2: plate after plate after plate after plate.
• 41:18
  S5: How did you feel like now? How did your stomach feel?
• 41:21
  S2: Oh, so, so beautiful.
• 41:22
  S5: Okay. Cause I was, like, even after being hungry. I
• 41:25
  S5: feel like that much would make you feel like you're
• 41:27
  S5: gonna pop.
• 41:28
  S2: It was. It was wonderful. And that's what I'm saying.
• 41:31
  S2: I'm looking and I'm going. I could eat more. And
• 41:35
  S2: that's when. When the girl told me. Oh, good. Yeah. Oh, good.
• 41:38
  S2: You're you're good. Yeah. That's that's.
• 41:40
  S5: Good. Says good.
• 41:42
  S10: That's. I told you right there. Whoa, whoa.
• 41:45
  S5: Usually they're trying to beg you to get dessert out too.
• 41:48
  S5: And it's like she was happy that you didn't want
• 41:51
  S5: any more.
• 41:52
  S10: Oh.
• 41:53
  S2: At first I thought, can I eat 27 bucks worth
• 41:57
  S2: of sushi? And then I'm like, oh, oh, yeah, yeah.
• 42:00
  S2: No problem.
• 42:00
  S5: Yeah. You could.
• 42:02
  S2: Oh, goodness. Just things that were up against in this
• 42:05
  S2: world today. I still don't know if it was conviction
• 42:10
  S2: or shame that caused me to walk away and stop,
• 42:14
  S2: but I did. I shut her down, man. Imagine this.
• 42:18
  S2: That Nojiri never runs out in glory.
• 42:21
  S5: All you can eat. All you can.
• 42:22
  S6: Eat.
• 42:24
  S1: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to
• 42:28
  S1: Carl and crew.
• 42:30
  S2: Well, being vulnerable there got a lot of feedback. Oh
• 42:33
  S2: my goodness. People have opinions on this one. A lot
• 42:35
  S2: of support. I'd say the vast majority is is if
• 42:39
  S2: it's all you can eat, it's all you can eat.
• 42:41
  S5: Yeah, the listeners changed my opinion on it. I, I
• 42:44
  S5: have come to side with them. That's all you can eat.
• 42:46
  S5: It's all you can eat.
• 42:47
  S2: Yeah. Somebody said, well, go back and order off the
• 42:50
  S2: regular menu sometime next week.
• 42:53
  S5: I want you to go back next week and see
• 42:55
  S5: if they got rid of all you can eat.
• 42:56
  S6: I want to see if they recognize you. So please
• 42:58
  S6: go back to see what their reaction.
• 43:01
  S2: Is when they walk up and the door's locked.
• 43:03
  S5: Yeah, Yeah. Oh, no. He's here again.
• 43:05
  S2: And there's people in there. And the door's locked and
• 43:08
  S2: they're pretending they don't see me.
• 43:10
  S5: That's so good.
• 43:12
  S6: Hello? Anybody there?
• 43:13
  S2: Oh goodness sakes. Okay. Coming up. You know, the pressure
• 43:18
  S2: we feel sometimes in life is not a laughing matter.
• 43:21
  S2: It's as real as real can be. And what happens?
• 43:24
  S2: So we're born again. We have this hope that is
• 43:27
  S2: found in relationship with Jesus Christ. And then it's like, ah,
• 43:31
  S2: where is this? And I really believe it. A secondary
• 43:34
  S2: hope even through trials. Oh, have we got a really
• 43:40
  S2: great woman of God joining us straight ahead.
• 43:44
  S1: Helping you take the next step in your walk with Jesus.
• 43:47
  S2: God longs for us today to seek him and ask
• 43:51
  S2: him to move in ways that we never could.
• 43:53
  S1: You're listening to cast and crew.
• 43:56
  S2: So do we love what we find in Romans five?
• 43:58
  S2: Of course we do. Of course we do.
• 44:02
  S5: What specifically are we talking about?
• 44:03
  S2: Well, we're talking about the hope that is found in
• 44:05
  S2: a relationship with Christ.
• 44:06
  S5: Amen.
• 44:07
  S2: But it's that second stage of hope that Paul iterates,
• 44:11
  S2: and it seems like he got to go around Macready's
• 44:13
  S2: barn to get to it. Yeah. We rejoice also in sufferings,
• 44:19
  S2: knowing that suffering produces endurance and endurance. Character and character
• 44:24
  S2: produces hope. You know, if we got to get someone
• 44:28
  S2: in here that can tackle this secondary hope, that comes
• 44:31
  S2: as a result of persevering, it'd be Susie Larson. It's real,
• 44:34
  S2: isn't it, Susie?
• 44:36
  S11: It is so real. And you know what? Our hearts
• 44:38
  S11: can't live without hope. This is not optional. It's not
• 44:41
  S11: something we can kick the can down the field for
• 44:43
  S11: another day. We need to wrestle until we come into
• 44:46
  S11: that place of hope because it is part of our birthright.
• 44:48
  S11: So this is super important that we're talking about it today.
• 44:52
  S2: Anyone who's followed Christ for any length of time at
• 44:54
  S2: all knows that there's going to be suffering. But what
• 44:57
  S2: Paul says here is it produces Endurance and endurance produces character.
• 45:05
  S2: How have you seen God develop character in you that
• 45:09
  S2: results then in hope?
• 45:10
  S11: I will first say, you cannot mature without endurance and perseverance.
• 45:14
  S11: You cannot. You'll stay a baby Christian. And so it
• 45:17
  S11: is just the way it is on this fallen planet.
• 45:20
  S11: Jesus said, in this world you will have trouble. And
• 45:23
  S11: for me, you know, I've talked on the show plenty
• 45:26
  S11: about my health challenges, but in that relapse that took
• 45:28
  S11: place ten years ago, that lasted seven intense ish years,
• 45:32
  S11: I mean, very hard for me. I literally had to
• 45:35
  S11: see a counselor for a few sessions once. The worst
• 45:38
  S11: of it was over because I, I almost couldn't talk
• 45:40
  S11: about it without wanting to get sick because it was
• 45:42
  S11: so painful. And in the middle of that, I quoted
• 45:45
  S11: the scripture back to God. I was not with attitude,
• 45:48
  S11: but with sorrow, saying, Lord, you know the word says
• 45:51
  S11: hope deferred makes the heart sick, but a promise fulfilled
• 45:53
  S11: is the tree of life. I am heart sick because
• 45:56
  S11: my hope has been so deferred. You're waiting so long.
• 46:00
  S11: Where are you? You know, I'm seeing answers in these
• 46:02
  S11: areas of my life, but crickets in the one area
• 46:04
  S11: that I'm army crawling through. Lord, where are you? And
• 46:08
  S11: the Lord thundered in my spirit. Karl, he said, look
• 46:10
  S11: it up. And I knew I was in trouble. It
• 46:12
  S11: was that fatherly. Look it up. And so I looked
• 46:15
  S11: up the passage and, you know, hope deferred. The word
• 46:17
  S11: deferred is a verb. It's an action word, which means
• 46:21
  S11: we're the ones who defer hope. It's like when you
• 46:23
  S11: defer a loan payment, I'm going to kick that can
• 46:25
  S11: down the field. I'm going to postpone my payments for
• 46:28
  S11: another time. And when you defer hope, when you put
• 46:31
  S11: it off for another time because you want to sit
• 46:34
  S11: too long in your suffering and your sorrow, when to
• 46:37
  S11: the point where you start to make an idol out
• 46:38
  S11: of your pain, you will get heart sick. Our hearts
• 46:41
  S11: cannot live without hope.
• 46:43
  S2: How do we get that? Let's just role play this here.
• 46:46
  S2: Somebody right now is kicked in the teeth. They don't
• 46:49
  S2: see God in this desert. How do they hold on
• 46:53
  S2: to something that will get them through?
• 46:56
  S11: Well, for me, God gave me an acronym with Hope
• 46:59
  S11: and it helped me so much healing, overcoming purpose and eternity.
• 47:03
  S11: For me, this is what helped me so much when
• 47:06
  S11: I thought, okay, you want me to have hope? In Romans,
• 47:08
  S11: I think it's 1513. It says, May the God of
• 47:11
  S11: all hope fill you with all joy and peace as
• 47:14
  S11: you trust in him, so that you may abound in
• 47:16
  S11: hope by the power of the Holy Spirit. It's like
• 47:18
  S11: a trifecta, and that's a supernatural inheritance for us in
• 47:22
  S11: the middle of our storm. What an amazing thing to
• 47:25
  S11: be a child of God. So I asked God, how
• 47:27
  S11: do I get there? And he just really helped me
• 47:29
  S11: to get a big story picture in the middle of
• 47:32
  S11: when you are feeling kicked in the teeth. And as
• 47:34
  S11: you know full well, I've been there so many times.
• 47:37
  S11: So the first thing that we have a birthright is,
• 47:39
  S11: is healing. Now, how it looks, how it plays out
• 47:41
  S11: is different for everybody. There's a mystery, but we are
• 47:44
  S11: guaranteed full healing when we see Jesus face to face.
• 47:48
  S11: And maybe yours isn't a physical healing, maybe it's a
• 47:50
  S11: relational healing. Maybe it's a soul healing because you're just
• 47:53
  S11: worn out from the battle. When you follow Jesus, you
• 47:56
  S11: follow the healer. So somehow, someway, there's got to be
• 47:59
  S11: an expectancy in your heart that he's renewing you day
• 48:03
  S11: by day, moving you from strength to strength. There's got
• 48:05
  S11: to be a hope and expectancy around that. And I
• 48:09
  S11: say that, you know, when you get your identity from
• 48:11
  S11: your affliction, when you've been at it so long, you're
• 48:14
  S11: making an idol out of your pain. And I pray
• 48:17
  S11: you hear this with great love because I've been there,
• 48:19
  S11: done that. I know the pain so much, but it's
• 48:22
  S11: so important to get back to that place of going, okay,
• 48:25
  S11: you know what? This hurts so bad. But when I
• 48:27
  S11: follow Jesus, I follow the healer. And so I'm going
• 48:29
  S11: to look with expectancy for the ways that healing is
• 48:32
  S11: springing up in my life. It might not be in
• 48:35
  S11: the very place that I'm gazing at, but he is
• 48:37
  S11: bringing some redemption in other places. Oh, is overcoming. Overwhelming
• 48:41
  S11: victory belongs to us. We are made to overcome and
• 48:44
  S11: you can't overcome without persevering. The enemy does not have
• 48:47
  S11: an endless supply of strength. He does not have endurance
• 48:50
  S11: and perseverance. He does not have the promise of eternity
• 48:53
  S11: with God. He does not have the Spirit of God
• 48:56
  S11: in him. He's so jealous of you because you have
• 48:58
  S11: all those things you are equipped to overcome. And then
• 49:01
  S11: p there's a purpose and I think we can endure
• 49:03
  S11: when we know there's a purpose in our pain. And
• 49:05
  S11: what the Lord showed me in my study of Scripture,
• 49:07
  S11: in my journey through pain and sorrow, is there's always
• 49:10
  S11: a purpose because he wastes no man's time. And when
• 49:13
  S11: you start to see a purpose in whatever he's allowing,
• 49:16
  S11: that he will redeem and turn for your good and
• 49:19
  S11: his glory. You can throw your head back, your shoulders back,
• 49:22
  S11: your eyes to the prize and say, I'm going to
• 49:24
  S11: keep walking. I'm going to keep believing. I will overcome.
• 49:27
  S11: And this somehow is going to serve a purpose in
• 49:30
  S11: the greater Kingdom story and then eternity. Is that what
• 49:33
  S11: we suffer now is nothing compared to the glory that
• 49:36
  S11: will be revealed to us when Christ returns. So as
• 49:39
  S11: you walk through these hardships, you don't have to do
• 49:41
  S11: it perfectly. But as you keep your heart free from offense,
• 49:44
  S11: being offended by God and you keep your heart set
• 49:47
  S11: on him expectant, he's going to redeem because that's who
• 49:51
  S11: he is. And then you say, you know what? Every
• 49:53
  S11: day that I keep marching through sorrow, through hardship, through
• 49:57
  S11: the wine press. It's adding this accumulative weight of glory
• 50:01
  S11: for the day when Christ is revealed to the whole world.
• 50:04
  S11: And isn't it something, Carl, that on the day of
• 50:06
  S11: his great reveal, you know that the world will see
• 50:10
  S11: and every knee will bow. He wants to reveal us
• 50:12
  S11: with him like he's choosing to say, father, when you
• 50:15
  S11: reveal me to the world, I want you to reveal
• 50:17
  S11: my brothers and sisters too. These are the reward of
• 50:20
  S11: my suffering. Because the Bible says all of creation groans
• 50:24
  S11: for the day when God reveals who his children really are.
• 50:28
  S11: So I think we make a mistake when we look
• 50:30
  S11: to this world and this life to tie up in
• 50:32
  S11: a tidy bow. You know, some things aren't going to
• 50:35
  S11: resolve the way we hope, but we have the glory
• 50:37
  S11: of the risen Lord at work in us. And there's
• 50:39
  S11: an accumulative glory, a momentum in our lives that when
• 50:43
  S11: we see him face to face, this will be a memory.
• 50:46
  S11: We won't even remember our pain or our sorrow, because
• 50:49
  S11: we will be in everlasting joy. And to the extent
• 50:52
  S11: that you steward these trials now will be the extent
• 50:55
  S11: that you enjoy the glory, the reward, and the fullness
• 50:58
  S11: of what God wants to bestow upon you as you're
• 51:01
  S11: faithful in this place.
• 51:03
  S2: That's so encouraging, Susie. My bride was telling me two
• 51:07
  S2: days ago she was listening to a podcast and she said, bub,
• 51:11
  S2: I learned something. I said, what's that? She goes, pain
• 51:14
  S2: has a memory. And she said, I'm listening to these
• 51:17
  S2: brain scientists talk about pain has a memory, and they
• 51:21
  S2: are appealing to you've got to think about the greater good.
• 51:24
  S2: And she's like, this is exactly what Scripture is saying.
• 51:28
  S2: Pain has a memory. If we don't deal with those
• 51:30
  S2: memories of pain rightly with truth, we succumb to that
• 51:36
  S2: yet again. Oh, give me.
• 51:38
  S11: I love this conversation so much. My heart's like, this
• 51:41
  S11: is yes, yes, yes. You know, the science talks about
• 51:44
  S11: nerves that fire together, wire together. So to break down,
• 51:46
  S11: what she's saying is that you have an experience and
• 51:49
  S11: then you have an emotional response to that experience. They
• 51:52
  S11: fire together. So every time that you have something even
• 51:55
  S11: reminiscent of that experience, your body, your nervous system is triggered.
• 51:59
  S11: And the enemy knows that. And we as Christians take
• 52:01
  S11: such a passive approach to the hard parts of our story.
• 52:04
  S11: And when you let these places and spaces in your
• 52:07
  S11: story that are hard, that leave you, leave them kind
• 52:10
  S11: of unchallenged where you've come to wrong conclusions, your pain
• 52:13
  S11: is real, your conclusion might be wrong. And if you
• 52:16
  S11: live with that, the enemy knows that, sees an open door,
• 52:20
  S11: an open loop, and he comes in to continually build
• 52:23
  S11: a case against the Lord. And that's why instead of
• 52:25
  S11: taking a passive role in the place of your sorrow
• 52:28
  S11: and suffering, you take an active role to say, you
• 52:30
  S11: know what? God's been good and he will be good again.
• 52:33
  S11: And you build a case for the goodness of God.
• 52:36
  S11: That's why I've been on before to talk about waking
• 52:38
  S11: up to the goodness of God. The whole purpose is
• 52:41
  S11: spend 40 days applying yourself to making a case for
• 52:45
  S11: the goodness of God. And what changed for me? Karl
• 52:48
  S11: was in the middle of all of that. I literally
• 52:50
  S11: had to almost take sides against my own flesh to go,
• 52:52
  S11: you know what? I hate this so bad, but I
• 52:55
  S11: have a house. I have a husband, I have kids,
• 52:58
  S11: I have food in my cupboard. And and what I
• 53:00
  S11: learned is I studied the brain science and paired it
• 53:02
  S11: with Scripture is you can count your blessings and have
• 53:07
  S11: it not move the heart of God and not change
• 53:09
  S11: you physiologically. But if you practice sincere gratitude, literally where
• 53:13
  S11: when you have sincere gratitude, it releases the feel good
• 53:16
  S11: hormones in your body. That's proof that you're seriously entering into.
• 53:20
  S11: I'm so grateful. God, I'm so grateful for my husband.
• 53:23
  S11: I'm so grateful for new mercies when you feel that
• 53:27
  S11: sincere gratitude, not only is that an offering to God,
• 53:30
  S11: it's a physiological gift to your body. Yeah. And you
• 53:33
  S11: have to do that to replace the pain. You have
• 53:36
  S11: to actually have new experiences that are spiritual, emotional, and
• 53:41
  S11: physical to upstage that painful memory and scripture. If you
• 53:45
  S11: look at Psalm 63, it's a whole body engagement with
• 53:48
  S11: my whole heart, mind and soul. God, I enter in
• 53:51
  S11: and I praise your name. I'm telling you, I have
• 53:54
  S11: such a passion. To see the body of Christ rise
• 53:56
  S11: up and stop passively taking all of the, um, messages
• 54:00
  S11: that try to attach themselves to our pain.
• 54:03
  S2: Yeah, it's like we're playing rope a dope. It's a
• 54:05
  S2: boxing metaphor and.
• 54:06
  S11: We're whack a mole. Let's do it.
• 54:08
  S2: And we're. And here's the problem. We're not using the
• 54:10
  S2: offensive weapons of war, which primarily is rhema, the Word
• 54:14
  S2: of God, the spoken Word of God, and this great
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