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#155: Thomas Massie and the Populous / Crumbling Empires / Economic Slavery · Come Together with Ephraim Herschmann

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Welcome to another episode of come Together.
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We are live with a another solo episode.
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There is an enormous amount to talk about today and I'm really
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excited to think about, talk about the news, talk about
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what's going on, and hopefully try to provide some perspective
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that could at least give us some potential solutions and to fight
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the darkness that seems to be consuming everywhere around the
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world. Thomas Massie just lost his his
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congressional seat in Kentucky to a gentleman named a former
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Navy SEAL named Ed Gallerain. And this is the latest.
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It feels like in of battles is a loss in the battles between
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elite establishment and populist grassroot individuals.
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It's hard to say how popular Thomas Massie is.
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It's hard to state how many people look fondly on him, at
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him. You don't have to agree with him
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with everything, but he's always a gentleman.
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He has shown his willingness to work across the political aisle
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with Ro Khanna, congressman from California, which if that
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doesn't speak partisan politics, I don't know what does.
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You know from both of them, the Republican from Kentucky and the
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liberal from California, working together to hold elites and
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establishment that feel that they're above the laws of the
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land from which they reap people's taxes, services,
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benefits. They don't hold themselves
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accountable to the same system of justice.
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Thomas Massie in one of the most politically polarized
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environments ever. I'll be doing a podcast shortly,
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hopefully within the next couple of weeks, with a political
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commentator and professor. And he wrote this book about
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unstable majorities and how. And I talked about this.
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I touched on this with the episode with a gentleman named
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Jim Thurber or James Thurber. And we talked a little bit about
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political radicalization and polarization.
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And one thing that hopefully will be I'll be discussing
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coming up is that a lot of times in the past, ideology was not.
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I think I've talked about this in the podcast before, but
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ideology didn't have to be left or right.
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Implementation of ideology was left to right.
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And then as time went on, the parties started separating into
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different moral systems and values.
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Now that's not good at all, I think.
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But I think that that was probably intentional.
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I think it's pretty safe to say at this point that this mass
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experiment of social media, this mass experiment of getting
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Americans to hate one another, this mass experiment, I mean,
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and we could even see it because we have, you see a battle of for
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people's attention, not just obviously with big media
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companies trying to fight for your eyeballs.
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I'm not talking about Meta or Netflix or Google or X or
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anything like that. I'm talking about the fact that
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the search for the Epstein for Epstein files and the Google
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searches and the news stories immediately faded away following
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the Iran war. I'm talking about the fact that
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and like, you know, and, and I've heard this recently, and I
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think that is true. The organized protest, it feels
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like the organized protests that have been going on in the
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country for the last 10, 10-15 years, I would say generally
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skew more towards social cultural issues that don't
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nearly impact everyone as much as issues like economics, as
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much as issues like foreign policy, as much as issues like
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trying to understand how America, the homeland versus
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America, the empire is doing. Trying to, to understand issues
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about the fact that those in our corporate political and banking
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systems that are the most psychopathic are the ones that
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are the most rewarded. And that these and, and I think
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it's becoming clear to everyone and part of the reason why it's
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becoming clear to everyone. It's becoming clear, it's
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becoming clear that institutions are rotten.
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It's becoming clear that there is different levels of values in
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this world and there are rules for some and then there are
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rules for others and and then it's becoming more blatant.
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The the powerful are becoming more blatant.
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The populace doesn't know what to do.
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I think. And one of the issues that
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Thomas Massie is so good on and has been focusing on for so
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long, which was a completely not sexy issue and completely not
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attractive issue until people started feeling the consequences
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of it, is economics. And the way that our economy is,
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the way that our government spends money, what it means when
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our government spends more money than what we produce, how our
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currency is being debased and devalued.
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And all these words 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 50 years ago,
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sounded boring, are now hot Topic talking points.
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And part of the reason why is because we are finally at the
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point where the bill for everything that we've been doing
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is due. And the way that you know that
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that's happening and the way that you know that there is this
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collapse of the populace, that the elite individuals,
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corporations are continuing to thrive is the fact that our
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president and the fact that our government and the fact and it
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doesn't make I'm, I'm not just talking about Trump here because
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it, this is bipartisan. This happens.
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This happened to Biden, happens with Obama, happened to Bush too
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long, for a long time. Where are they where people
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could say the economy is doing XY and Z?
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Well, XY and Z great. And a lot of people are like,
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what are you talking about? And there are charts and there
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are numbers and you can create economic forecasts that all
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point towards the fact that, hey, I'm showing you on national
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television the people, you the people are able to make, you
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know, look at how well American economy is doing.
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Everyone that feels that the the 40 to 50% of people that have to
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use buy now, pay later for their food and groceries.
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Don't be silly. The economy is doing great for
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the people that can't afford to travel for the airlines, the
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budget airlines that are going out of business.
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I think the number with between Spirit and like Frontier and
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like the ultra cheap, ultra economical airlines are
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generally like 25 to 35% cheaper than other airlines.
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Well, guess what? It's not an option right now.
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Sorry, you know, And by the way, fuel, gas, that's really
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expensive. I have, I have friends and it's
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so interesting because this isn't a sentiment that people
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talk about, although it's a sentiment that people
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experience. When you don't want to fill up
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your gas tank, you don't want to leave your house.
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When you don't want to leave your house, you're not
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connecting to people, You're not talking to people.
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You're not, you're not, you're not showing your kids new
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things. You're not going to meet, make
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new friends. You're not going to pursue
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things you like. You got to stay home.
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It's going to be lockdown. We've had lockdowns, economic
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lockdowns, social lockdowns, health lockdowns for a long
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time. This 2019-2020 people have not
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recovered. And while we could, while we
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technically our life is quote UN quote back to normal.
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We're not wearing wearing masks anymore.
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Life is certainly not back to normal.
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Our social skills are off. The have just completely fallen
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apart. Our relationships deteriorate
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like crazy. Whether it is between family
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members and community or couples or friends doesn't matter.
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People aren't meeting each other.
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People aren't going out. Whenever you go out, you got
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your headphones in. You're living in this little
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bubble. People have college debt, credit
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card debt, car debt, medical debt, buy now, pay later, which
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is not part of your credit score yet.
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People can't afford to buy houses.
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People can't afford to rent, rent homes.
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The rental market is crazy because it's really hard to buy
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a house now. And so if no one's able to
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afford to, no one's able to afford a house.
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Everyone's looking to rent. When everyone's looking to rent,
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it's incredibly competitive, gets more expensive, so people
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are getting locked out. Thomas Massey has been saying
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for years, we have to stop spending.
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So much so that he actually created this little gadget thing
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that he wears around that shows in real time connected the most
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accurately of anywhere in the world, apparently.
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Actually the this pin that it's a digital pin that shows the
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national debt in real time, how many trillions of dollars it's
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constantly spending and it never stops moving.
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It's crazy. And he's saying that as a
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reminder. He's saying that to show
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everyone that's watching him. Hey, man, you, you see the money
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that you're working to earn. You see the services that you're
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looking to provide. You can't keep up with how much
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we're spending. You can't possibly keep up with
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what we're doing. And I think America is ready to
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come to terms with the fact that we are now.
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You know, I think that the rest of the world has seen that we're
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not a superpower already for a long time.
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I think Americans are starting to realize it now, too.
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And not only Americans, not only the populist, I think even the
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leadership is starting to realize this.
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Because when Trump went to China earlier this week and brought
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the top businessman with him, there was not an air of the same
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type of condescending talk, behavior, negotiating tactics
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that we may express in the Middle East or South America or
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Africa or Europe. Even Russia.
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I know we don't like to mess around with Russia, but we're we
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talk about China, we talk about Russia rather the way that we
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talk about the Iranians or the way we talk about any with the
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Iraqis or anyone in the Middle East.
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But when it comes to China, our rhetoric is much more careful.
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Our leadership's rhetoric is much more careful.
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And there's a good reason for that.
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And I actually think that a little bit of modesty and a
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little bit of humility and a little bit of understanding
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where our place is right now to understand how contingent our
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society is and our our empire is on China.
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And to say, in order to be able to get ourselves out of this
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pit, potentially, this is what we're going to have to do.
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We're going to have to work with you.
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We're going to have to collaborate.
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John Perkins, again, I always talk about him, Confessions of
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an Economic Hitman said in the podcast and the last time that
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he was on the podcast with me, that we shouldn't look at China
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as a competitor. We should look at them as a
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sorry, as an enemy. We should look at as a
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competition. A petition is we drive each
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other to succeed. An enemy is someone that you are
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backstabbing. An enemy is someone that you are
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working on negotiating peace deal with and then bombing them
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behind their back. That's what you do to an enemy.
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We don't do that to China. And that's because I think that
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we know that if anything happened, we'd lose.
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We would absolutely lose. So Thomas Massie is out for
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representing the people. He raised over $5 million from
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grass root individuals primarily, and he was unseated
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by a member of the establishment.
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I think they only had like 70 donors and was the most
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expensive Senate rate congressional race, I think, in
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American history. And obviously, the reason why
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it's such an expensive race is because I think that most
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Americans realize how important Thomas Massie is.
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And I think Americans wanted to keep him in and he lost and he
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lost. So he might run for president
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next. And I kind of hope he does.
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So even if we work with China, the problem of the populace
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versus the elites still exist. And I'll tell you why #1
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robotics are advancing to the point that we now have
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warehouses that are operating on robots that are working 24 hours
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a day. So if America walks away from
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our meeting with China and says we had a really, really
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successful and wonderful meeting with China, we are going to
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collaborate and negotiate and we're going to work together in
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the future and we're going to bring factories to America.
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That's all great. Not if the factories don't
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create any jobs. That's the big complaint about
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data centers actually, is that data centers provide short term
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jobs for, you know, for a couple of months until while while they
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get built. If you want to stretch it out,
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be all bureaucratic, maybe take a year, you know, and then they
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primarily run on themselves and these factories that are getting
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built and they're going to come to America.
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That doesn't necessarily mean economic opportunity.
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Now, we may be able to use them as a tool.
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We may be able to say, hey, people don't have to work, but
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we'll export what we're creating.
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And then we will use those, those, those funds.
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We'll use that money for the people and distribute them to
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the people, which, you know, maybe I hope so.
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Mark Zuckerberg is training AI on Meta's top employees.
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So the most intelligent people that are getting paid the most
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money out of any industry almost in the world.
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The AI researchers are one of the biggest conglomerations the
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world's ever seen, while their leadership, their top performing
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humans, they're teaching AI everything they know.
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And so you have robots doing the physical work, you have AI doing
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the white collar work. You have America saying that
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we're going to open more factories here, but we don't
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necessarily know that that's going to translate into anything
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for the population and for the people.
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You have Trump on record saying in the Iranian saying on record
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about the Iranian war that he's not at all considering the
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economy, what people are suffering and whether people are
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suffering as a result of inflation as a result of we're
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spending aside from the troops that are that are already there.
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And people can't go out and people can't go out because by
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the time for my, you know, with myself, for example, every time
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I pay for my mortgage and I pay for the food for the five people
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that are living in my house. And I pay for my son's tuition
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for his school, for his playgroup, because I can't keep
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my home. I'm working three jobs.
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My wife is working and we have another kid at home.
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So by the time I have tuition, my mortgage and food bills paid,
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forget about electricity dreaming as obviously the
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pricing, you know, which started so cheap.
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Disney Plus started I think like 699 a month.
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And now I think I'm paying, I'm paying almost $40 a month for
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Disney, HBO, and Hulu, which I know is not necessarily a fair
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comparison, but it's a lot more expensive than it was.
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Netflix keeps on getting up. Apple TV keeps getting more
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expensive. Amazon Prime just downgraded you
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to buy ads unless you want to pay for no, for no ads.
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And it feels like we're not. We're losing the the population
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is losing opportunities to create money, but the cost of
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living is still going up. And even if you are going to
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redistribute money, the cost of things will just continue
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climbing because that money doesn't mean anything.
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So we have economic slavery. We're losing opportunity for
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future employment, whether you're talking white collar or
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blue collar jobs. And people are getting really
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disenchanted. And then Thomas Massie gets
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overthrown or overseated or outseated, whatever you want to
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call her. He loses his seat in Congress.
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And the one guy that out of a out of 40 to 60 years of Epstein
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operating in the confines of the West, the one person that ever
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forced any documentation out about him, just got thrown out
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of his, out of his seat. I can't.
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I don't think I can. I can or I don't think I can
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articulate how huge of a deal that is and what that says about
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our system. And This is why I keep on
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saying, you know, and I've done and I've talked about this a
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bunch on on on my solo episodes, but This is why people abandoned
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systems and rebuild new ones. People abandoned them because
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they say obviously aren't working for me.
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Why am I pitching in? Why am I donating?
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Why am I contributing? Why am I sharing?
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And not only am I not getting anything back in return, like
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I'm happy to pitch in and just be left alone.
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Like there's a cost. Like if there's a cost to be
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left alone, I'll pay it. Let's take the mafia, right?
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OK, knock on my door. You want some protection, I'll
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give you some protection, but that's not happening here.
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I have to get off the economy freaking me out.
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Good news. The better news I just the good
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news is that they're actually I think is plenty of hope.
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As they say in Hebrew, there is hope and I really do believe
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that. The reason why I believe that is
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because the people that are the populace are starting to work
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together and starting to notice that the things that are
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separating them, the things that the core fundamental human
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issues that I think the elites, media, establishment have been
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trying to get us to not notice. Like our money, Like the fact
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that AI is coming for everyone's jobs essentially, but without
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necessarily providing first of all, we even know how much it
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costs, how much it's going to cost for AI to actually replace
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all of us. And for the amount of compute
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that it would take and the amount of resources that it
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would take for AI to actually successfully take everyone's,
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you know, white collar jobs in America and around the world.
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I don't know. It's, it seems like a little bit
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of a stretch to me, although it's possible.
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And so we don't know and we don't have a game plan for for
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what are we going to do about people.
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And I think that this is actually causing very, very cool
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and potentially wonderful effect.
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And that is that once people become so disenchanted with
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establishment and with the narrative and say, hey, I can't
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trust you and I can't trust what you're telling me.
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And I can't trust the values that you are pushing for me to
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either pursue and or abandoned, right?
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I will not abandoned my family. I will not abandoned, I will not
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abandon my mom because or my uncle because of partisan
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politics and who one who someone voted for and we have no control
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over whether or not they even got into the White House or not.
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Like that is not what our concern is going to be.
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You know what our concern is? Hey, both of us, I went to, I
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went, I went out with my friend last night and he's probably
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much more conservative than I am and a lot of things and a lot
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more liberal than I am in other ways.
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And we both sat down. We both got a beer.
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I've got 2 beers. I got 2 guinnesses.
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You got one beer. I got 2 guinnesses.
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I paid for the two guinnesses and a tip and tax. 25 dollars
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$25 for two beers in a local Irish pub somewhere in Boca
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Raton, FL. There is absolutely no reason in
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the world. On the way home I ordered a
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burger that was hungry and it was 10/30 11:00 at night $30
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burger. I bought a burger and two beers
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for $55 last night. Tell me how that is something
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that is going to be sustainable for people.
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It's not. And so we're going to find that
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much more valuable and it's going to unite us and it's going
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to, that's going to be much more unifying to us than whatever our
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partisan perspective on religion or God or politics or whatever
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might be way more important. Because you know what, at the
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end of the day, and I've talked about this too, our, our level
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of moral stature or decay is very, very often based on how
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secure financially, economically, socially, mentally
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that we feel. And when people are in such dire
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straits, our morals, our values are going to revert, are going
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to regress, and it's going to lead, like people are saying, to
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a revolution. It might not be a revolution in
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the same way that we've always seen throughout history.
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It might not be the same revolution that you might
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experience with little up in arms, but it's a different type
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of revolution. It's a rejection.
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It's a total rejection of a system.
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It's a total rejection and it's turning your back on it and it's
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not using it. It's not using the current
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system that we've been working on.
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Colleges screw colleges. Resumes.
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Screw that. The resumes are AI generated.
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They're being rejected by AI agents or accepted by AIAI
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agents. Doesn't make a difference.
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Resumes out the window. Jobs.
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Guess what? No job security in the futures.
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What is going to drive me to go to school to get an education if
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there's no promise of anything to benefit me?
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Instead we start embracing different things.
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Relationships hey I am struggling with addiction I'm
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struggling with depression, anxiety and I found that hanging
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out with people 3 or 4 times a week and working out 2 three
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times a week makes me feel so much better.
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You can tell me that snake oil, you can tell me that's garbage.
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You can tell me that it's not true.
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I don't care because the what the because I've tried following
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your rules for 20 years, for 30 years, for 40 years and look
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where it got us. O thank you very much.
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I appreciate your advice. I understand your concern.
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I'm going to pursue the quote UN quote, snake oil because I don't
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know what else is out there and I'm going to at least take a
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hard look at it. And what is happening now is
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that a lot of things that were previously stigmatized, whether
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they're talking about mental health, whether it's talking
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about the relationship between our mental health and our
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physical health or vice versa. Our physical health and how well
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our brains are functioning, how well our emotions are, how in
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tune we are to our emotions, that that is all being flipped
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on its head in a mass way right now, massive way.
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And it's exciting. And then I find myself agreeing
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with Seth Rogen, which is bonkers, but when he's talking
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about AI and he goes, if you feel the need, if you're writing
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a script and you feel the need to have an AI write a script for
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you, you should not be writing scripts.
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It's garbage. And what we are learning is that
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output does not equal value. And just to creating something
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for the sake of creating, it does not necessarily mean it's
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anything. That's the term that it's funny.
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There's a social term now a colloquial phrase to use the
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parlance of our times called slop.
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And whether it's AI slop or no, a Barnes and Noble is talking
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about they're going to start carrying AI generated novels.
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You think there aren't enough writers out there that can't
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figure out how to get their books on your shelves that you
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need to start stacking up with AI novel, the AI novels Spotify
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is is is Spotify, I believe, I believe I read this and I have
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to double check. Call me out if it's not the
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case. Has been working on trying to
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remove AI podcasts because they say what is going on over here.
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You know how many people are trying to make podcasts, myself
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included, that are putting time, putting effort, putting work
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into this. And one of the hardest things
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about podcasting is getting visibility.
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And you want to dilute the marketplace even more with
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something that doesn't with with with something that doesn't.
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We don't even it's garbage. I mean it, it's literally
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garbage. So I thought myself agreeing
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with Seth Rogen. I don't know understand what
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planet I'm living on right now. And I, I mean really, I feel if
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nothing else, I feel vindicated for my last couple of years of
21:56
solo episodes because all the things that I've been saying
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have been coming to fruition. I don't think, listen, I'm not
22:04
self aggrandizing. I'm not looking to be right and
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reject. You know, I've changed my mind a
22:10
lot of things I've been proven wrong about things that I've
22:12
thought, that I believed, I thought was right.
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And it will happen again plenty. But one thing that is not going
22:18
away, the understanding that people require that there's
22:21
certain fundamental requirements that people need.
22:23
People need relationships. People need embodied
22:25
relationships. People need the feeling that
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people are willing to buy into a system to be left alone without
22:32
feeling like they're being abused.
22:34
And then the second that they feel that they're being abused,
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they either, I mean, listen, sometimes you're tired and
22:39
you're old and your responsibility and you're
22:41
drowning in bills. And I mean, this is actually
22:43
interesting because obviously from a, from a biblical
22:45
perspective, what Pharaoh, and I've spoken about this before,
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what Pharaoh did to the Jews in Egypt was he made them work so
22:51
hard that the at the Jewish scholars say that the Jews
22:56
didn't have time to realize that they were being enslaved, that
22:58
they were so focused on working. And they're so focused on being
23:01
productive. And they're so focused on that
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they didn't even know that they were slaves until they just
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until someone woke them up one day.
23:06
And they said, and then once they have that second to open
23:09
their eyes, they're like, whoa, what are we doing here?
23:11
Why do we have robots in factories when we haven't had
23:14
factory jobs in the when factory jobs have been leaving the
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United States the last 60 years, the second that we start getting
23:20
factories back, they're going to be replaced with robots.
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Why do my friend who I just went to celebrate his graduation from
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medical school, where he spent probably $250,000 to get his
23:30
degree, why is his job going to be obsolete in five years?
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And why are we training the world's best AI agents on the
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world's best doctors to have everyone that's not the world's
23:38
best doctor just be completely replaced?
23:41
Why is he? Why is he playing into that
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system now? He's playing into it because on
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the other hand, what else can you do?
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What are you going to do? You're not going to work.
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You're not going to learn, You're not going to be creative.
23:51
So we know we want to do something.
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We know we want to have it make a difference and have an impact.
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But it feels like our opportunities to do so are being
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stripped away from us. And I think that this is what
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other countries have felt like while the American empire was
24:02
crushing them financially and economically.
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I'm sure that this is what South America felt like.
24:08
Probably China does this too. You know, it's soft power,
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influence, propaganda. It's money.
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And John Karaku, who is the only person to go to prison from the
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CIA, that was related to the torture program, and the reason
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why he went to prison was because he blew the whistle on
24:26
the torture program and he was the only one that was punished.
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John Kairiaku says, guys, torture doesn't even work,
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doesn't get you to give good and it doesn't get good
24:34
intelligence. It doesn't get good information.
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When people are suffering, they will do what they got to do to
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get out of suffering. They don't care whether it's
24:42
good information or bad information.
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I think that we can apply that train of thought to groups of
24:47
people at a time as well. When groups of people are
24:49
suffering, that's not a way to incentivize them.
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It's not a way to change people's minds.
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Economic warfare, real warfare, the way to get people to change
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their minds, the way to get people to go along, the way to
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get people to succeed is to help everyone succeed.
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And the best thing is there's enough out there that not
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everyone has to succeed at the same thing.
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There's enough to do. There's enough humanity.
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This world is diverse enough. Life is diverse enough.
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The universe is diverse enough. Math, physics, psychology,
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technology, storytelling, education.
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I mean, taking care of the physical world around us,
25:23
learning about the oceans, learning about space, learning
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about, you know, our relationship to time and space.
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Breaking free of the confines of our national slavery, of our
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addictions, of our addictions for, you know, of, of the fight
25:38
for our attention, of the fight for our money, the fight for our
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eyeballs and the fight for our values.
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We could focus on just we could focus on, on making the world,
25:47
on making the world better by understanding it.
25:51
And that's what's cool. A lot of people are rebelling in
25:54
the sense that they're starting to give credence to a lot of
25:56
things that were disregarded just a couple of years ago.
25:59
Whether you want to call it UFOs, alien life,
26:02
extraterrestrial life, the relationship potentially between
26:05
religion and this ET phenomenon that people are experiencing,
26:10
shared consciousness that we could study.
26:12
All these things are being looked at more seriously now
26:14
because the other system failed and it's a scary time.
26:17
It's super, super scary. We're going through an enormous
26:20
transition. You could feel it happening.
26:22
You feel that people are getting squeezed and, and, and we're
26:25
either going to just go down living the exact same way that
26:28
we always were, or we're really going to change and something
26:31
radical is going to happen. And I think that when something
26:33
radical happens, it's going to be a good thing.
26:35
It's going to be a hopeful thing.
26:36
I think that the American experiment of this imperial of
26:40
America, the empire, this imperial perspective has failed.
26:44
It's crashing. I don't know.
26:45
I, I, I would prefer if America, the homeland rose like a phoenix
26:51
from the ashes. I would hope that America, the
26:53
homeland can recover from all the damage that it's sustained,
26:57
from all the financial, from all the social damage, from all the
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spiritual damage, from all the physical damage, from all the
27:04
destruction, from the, from the, from the congestion, from, from
27:07
the destruction of cities and the population, from the
27:09
isolation of the American people to feeling like we're not living
27:13
in one country. We're living in a world of and
27:15
individual massive competition to everyone around you because
27:18
it's probably a heart, it's probably harmful, it's probably
27:20
a threat, and it's exhausting to live like that.
27:23
And a society that lives like that can't continue because we
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do need to collaborate. People are social animals.
27:28
The only way we have survived in the past was with working
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together. We'll do it.
27:31
And Hippie saved physics, according to David Kaiser,
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they'd be saved physics because this is fascinating.
27:38
Actually during the World War 2 era and then the Cold War and
27:42
really since then we've constantly been in a state of
27:45
war. We've need to take our science
27:47
and our scientists and apply their perspective towards trying
27:51
to resolve real world and real war time problems.
27:57
Gone was the questions of purpose, of universality, of the
28:02
theory of everything, of play, of wonder, of looking at a UFO
28:06
and being like, I don't know how to measure that.
28:08
I don't know what could possibly mean.
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Let's try and figure it out as opposed to, I don't know what
28:13
that means, but I got more important things to do and in
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the scientific community was losing its life.
28:18
And then the hippies came along And the hippies, which I think
28:21
I've talked about a bunch of the podcast with, with Jenny Chan,
28:24
with Dennis McNally, the hippies got a lot of their culture from
28:29
the East, Thailand, from China, from Japan, India, some of the
28:34
most ancient cultures in the world.
28:35
And we have all this mysticism, we have meditation, we have out
28:39
of body experiences, we have remote viewing, we have
28:43
vibrations and music and telepathy and all these things
28:47
that were written off because we couldn't explain them.
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The hippies embrace them. And when you, when you, when you
28:53
get a scientist, when you get a hippie scientist and you take a
28:55
scientist that instead of working for Raytheon or for the,
28:59
for the Pentagon, trips acid with the Grateful Dead and
29:04
studies quantum mechanics and tries to understand how we're
29:07
all tied, how consciousness is tied together and how we can
29:10
expand your contractor consciousness, which sounds
29:12
crazy, to be fair, because it's not, but it doesn't sound that
29:15
crazy. I think that there's, I think
29:16
people universally accept, for example, the fact that if you're
29:19
meditating, you might be able to have an out of body experience.
29:21
Well, once you're out of body, like why, why is the limit just
29:26
right outside your body as to, you know, where your
29:28
consciousness could go, right? We have a deviation through
29:31
meditation between our physical and our physical body and our
29:35
consciousness. And if you get to the point
29:37
where you could isolate them and then separate them, and you're
29:40
observing yourself and you can see your physical body with your
29:44
consciousness, why not look elsewhere?
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You know, what's to stop you from looking forward to
29:47
backwards? And by the way, if the answer is
29:50
science, and if the answer is we don't know how that works, and
29:52
if the answer is we can't figure it out, well, doesn't that seem
29:55
like a really cool and fun thing to work on?
29:57
Doesn't that seem really exciting?
29:58
Doesn't that seem like it has a ton of potential for the future
30:01
of humanity, for the evolution of mankind, for the future?
30:04
Instead of fighting on Twitter about whether Thomas Massie is
30:08
an anti Semite or not because he doesn't want to take a PAC money
30:10
or because he called out his opponent for getting caught
30:13
getting funded by super PACs. That's what our priorities are.
30:15
That's what our values are. We're sitting here fighting
30:18
about the fact that the roast of Kevin Hart was so not PC.
30:23
And by the way, I didn't find a lot of the jokes funny.
30:24
I don't find roast very funny. I don't complain about them.
30:27
I just don't watch them. But that's going to take more of
30:30
your attention and more and you're going to worry about that
30:34
more than you're going to worry about the fact that you haven't
30:37
left your house in two weeks because it's too expensive to
30:40
fill up your car with gas. Like where are priorities over
30:43
here? So there's going to be there is
30:44
an awakening. There's going to be an
30:45
awakening. There's going to be forces
30:47
fighting that awakening, obviously because someone
30:50
benefits from all this isolation.
30:51
You know, only a few people in America hold over 50% of the
30:57
wealth. And again, as John Perkins put
30:59
it, if three people on 60% of the wealth, 50, even 51% of the
31:04
wealth, wealth in the country they get they, they, they gain
31:07
10% year over year profit and the rest of the economy loses 2%
31:14
year over year. We have a net positive economy.
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Do we? Do we?