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Sister Wives S5 E4 - Polygamist Cults · My Sister Wives Podcast

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  What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
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  Goodbye. You shut it off.
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  Do not twist my words. Do not.
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  Make me a victim, sweetie. Just look at the mountain.
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  That's what you saw. That day, just the knife in the
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  kidneys over all these years and
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  love you. Season 5 episode 4 Polygamist
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  cults. I have to admit something.
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  I thought this was an episode that happens later in the show
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  where there's a debate with people about polygamy, and I was
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  wrong for the first time in my
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  devastating. It's not that episode, but we do
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  get Kolleen. For anyone who knows Kolleen,
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  we're finally being introduced
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  that. Our last episode, did it go off
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  the rails? I don't know if it went off the
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  rails. I feel like it did and didn't.
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  It didn't. It didn't.
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  We found out some things live about the Darger family.
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  However, I would like to say after doing more research that
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  it was more hearsay than anything.
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  There are no proven claims about
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  fact that it is true that he married 2 cousins on the same
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  day and then the twin sister of one of the cousins 10 years
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  later. So that is true and that's about
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  could tell, you know, So we're going to, we're going to leave
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  Is it incestuous? Well, you know.
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  You determine. But that's about the extent of
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  And then the Google search results and some of the things
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  Oh my God, didn't know this from the episode.
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  And then we were like, do we need to do some sort of further
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  investigation? And then realized Nah,
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  realistically, if all of it is just rumors and people on Reddit
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  stand behind. You know, we just stand behind
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  Beat them. Right or wrong, we have our own
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  opinions. In this episode, we open at
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  Janelle's house and they're discussing A nonprofit helping
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  Darling, what is this cult not what is this called?
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  What is this nonprofit called? It is called Holding out help.
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  watching. Totally.
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  With their lovely accents, it was like help, help.
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  Help. I swear to God, I thought it was
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  So good times holding out help. We find out that Logan, Aspen
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  and Maddie are going to visit members of this nonprofit who
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  are helping people escape the clenches, the claws of polygamy,
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  We find out that Tanya is the founder of the organization and
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  there might be some reasons to be fearful of Tanya if you're in
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  your cult. And it's not our lovely Tanya
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  the realtor Tanya. That.
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  We've come to love and know. The fashion icon.
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  Tanya There is a new Tanya coming on our screens tonight.
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  Yeah, they say that the organization is to help people
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  Kody, Christine and Janelle are speaking to Aspen and I'm
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  assuming the morning that they're leaving.
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  I don't know if I quite remember, but they're asking her
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  worried about going because she thinks that she'll hear some bad
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  understandable. Yeah.
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  I wouldn't want to go hear people talking about how bad
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  homosexuals are in case I ever come out of the closet.
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  Now that would be terrible to hear.
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  The parents are speaking to the kids about standing up for
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  plural marriage and if they'll feel comfortable standing up for
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  I was going to say, I don't know that.
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  If they don't believe in it, why do they have to stand up for it
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  just because their parents are in one?
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  I mean, well, let's think about this.
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  If it's being set up for by production or if it's being set
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  up as a storyline thing, then, you know, I don't know that
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  without the show, this would be, I don't think without the show
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  something and I think they're giving us something as well.
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  We hope the kids stand up for our lifestyle.
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  Kody wants them to see what's really going on so they can
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  stand up against evil. So he wants them to go and get a
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  in the Mormon church and so that they can recognize evil.
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  And I don't know, but it's like, OK, dude.
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  He phrases it something like why I'm allowing them to go and I'm
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  like, oh, you're allowing them to go.
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  I love Kody's patriarch, blah blah blah.
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  So nice of him to allow his teenagers.
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  Logan, who has graduated from high school and is probably an
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  glow up in this episode. The interviews must have been a
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  little later, and I was like, oh, Logan is becoming a young
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  man. I haven't really talked about
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  how I view Logan because up until now he might have been a
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  adult. I am guessing that he's 18 at
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  this point. This has to be probably in the
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  And that's why they're able to go and do this trip for a little
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  off, so it's probably summer. I was a little surprised that
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  Leon wasn't going on this trip. I'm curious if Leon was busy or
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  if potentially because Leon's perspective right now is that
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  they do want to be in polygamy, that maybe they were like Nah or
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  scared to be in a situation like this and probably just be a
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  crybaby. Yeah, I can see that.
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  Yeah, it wouldn't end well for Leon, I don't think, to have met
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  and the kids are getting ready to leave on this little road
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  trip up to Utah, Janelle and Kody are, you know, having a
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  spotlight moment talking to the camera.
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  And one of the things that they mentioned is that they're
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  curious if these people will be like, across the board against
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  about the stereotypes of polygamy?
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  It's like, well, they all came from polygamy.
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  I mean, I don't think that I shouldn't say they all, but
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  Tanya's the only one we know of. Now we do get introduced to
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  Carrie, who is her, you know, business partner her.
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  Yeah, they're. Adult in charge.
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  And I don't know why they would have stereotypes of polygamy if
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  they're from polygamist groups. So I don't know, it seems like
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  They just got to talk. Kody says that some people say
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  Yeah. And do we think he's wrong that?
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  I also just don't know that it's
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  Like I wouldn't call them the same thing.
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  Just because you have multiple
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  inherently abusive. I don't think it's necessarily
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  abusive to the women that chose the lifestyle.
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  I do think it's kind of abusive and neglectful to the children,
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  which I have mentioned before.
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  over, and I'm not going to say a
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  go there, but I think that after
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  children, it becomes neglectful because they're just not going
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  to get enough of their parents.
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  They're not going to get enough support.
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  They're not going to get the attention that children need to
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  grow and thrive. And I think a lot of kids from
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  And there's a lot of siblings that are put in control or power
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  And I think you could argue that
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  that is abuse in some cases. Yeah, well, I mean, I've always
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  thought I should have been an only child because I needed all
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  of the attention and all of the love, and my brothers have
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  already heard me say that I wish
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  But now I'm glad they're here.
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  child, and your brothers were dandelions so.
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  An orchid. Orchid.
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  Oh, an orchid? Yes, yes, definitely.
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  An orchid child versus the dandelion child.
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  Yep. There's some weeds and I'm
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  beautiful. There's this is a concept, a new
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  concept to me. There's, you know, the child
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  that's going to need more to grow and more help and a little
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  more nurturing. And then there's the child that
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  is just like weed that's going
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  Yes, this is where Maddie and Logan tell us they'll be helping
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  to set up a safe house for the
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  some details about painting and moving in some furniture, blah,
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  blah, blah. When they arrive, Carrie is
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  there to welcome the kids to this new home that they're going
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  to be painting and helping move things into.
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  We were not told about Carrie before we get there.
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  So it was a little like, OK, like all of a sudden here's
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  Carrie and sounds good to meet
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  But now we get introduced to the
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  Well, the young adults, the youth that are being served up
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  to us as the former polygamist
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  out help. Yeah, yeah, They've been helped,
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  all right. And they have very strong
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  opinions. Not well, not all of them.
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  Yeah, Kolleen has very strong opinions.
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  Polygamy. We get introduced to her.
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  Yes, Kolleen with AK, in case you're wondering.
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  Yeah. You pointed that out to me.
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  I did not notice it because I was busy writing and you were
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  like, look at how she spells her
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  I'm like, oh honey. Kolleen with AK.
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  Yep. And as we discussed in our last
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  episode with a little preview,
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  She is blonde, blonde, blonde.
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  With aggressive makeup. Oh, aggressive is a good way to.
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  Start. Yeah, absolutely.
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  This is the period in time at the height of YouTube makeup
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  beauty culture where, you know, every week there was a
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  different brand coming out with a new palette, and you had to
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  have all the palettes and all the colors.
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  And you're watching beauty tutorials and let me tell you,
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  eyeshadow brushes, and probably been watching a YouTube channel
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  or two. Because it's not that it looked
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  bad, it actually was pretty decent makeup for the time
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  period that this was shot in. But she is definitely trying her
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  ex FLDS or Kingston Sect member.
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  It reminded me of Myspace. Now this is this is after most
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  of us were using Myspace. But let's remember these are
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  polygamous. Former polygamous 2012, 2000
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  whenever ish. I don't really remember, but she
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  looked like a lot of young women
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  Slightly behind the time, yeah.
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  Yeah, Well. Orange County, You know, emo.
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  I don't even know what. I'm surprised she didn't have
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  big black chunks in her hair, frankly.
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  If I were to show you a picture of me from gosh like 3 years
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  before this I would look almost exactly like that with the short
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  literally had it. Like it looked like a wind, Like
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  head. And then the seawater dried her
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  hair in this upward weird position and it was not moving.
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  No movement, and in fact, the
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  seagull also pooped, but you can't see it because her hair's
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  white. Yeah, it's like the same color
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  as the seagulls. Mirrored her hair up into the
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  side. Very something about Meri.
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  It was on the side of her head.
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  Something about a different Meri.
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  Not Meri Brown, definitely. Oh, look, highly stylized in a
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  we're talking about. If you haven't seen the show,
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  maybe we'll have to find an image of her and share it on the
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  the show. By the way, she I think was in
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  I wonder what she looks like. To do.
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  Oh my gosh. We'll have to do a side by side
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  of my photo in her. Yes.
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  Because I swear to God, I'm like, what?
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  Kolleen with AK, if you are listening, I'm very interested
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  Yeah. I'm curious where she's at now.
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  And I'm sure she looks back at
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  this time and is like, what was I doing with my hair?
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  Because I look back at myself from this time period in three
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  years prior and I'm like, what
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  hair? I have never seen this done
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  before though. The seagull hair.
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  Not like this, no. No it.
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  Really was unique. It was really something else.
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  It definitely was, yeah, And I
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  Especially for the camera. You know, pull that out for the
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  camera. Sure, why not?
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  Let's try it. Listen, if I was going on TLC,
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  my hair would be so boring. So I have to give her kudos, you
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  know, at least she's doing something.
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  My hair would be teased to the
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  You. Have like 80s hair.
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  So in this introduction segment we meet Kolleen with AK who is
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  from the Kingston sect of polygamy.
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  Kingston's Kingston? I'm not sure.
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  If it's Kingston's. Kingston's, Yeah.
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  And along with Kolleen, with AK,
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  from the Kingston sect. The other two young adults that
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  we are meeting are from the FLDS.
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  We are meeting Susan. Suzanne.
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  Suzanne. Suzanne and Stephen.
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  Stephen. Stephen and Stephen was kicked
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  out and FLDS is Warren Jeffs sect by the way.
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  I'm sure most people listening
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  But for those of you that don't,
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  Jeffs was. In charge of and controlling
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  Warren Jeffs sect, where you know, he was famously imprisoned
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  for child rape and murder. Child not murder, but child rape
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  and a lot of bad things. Probably just couldn't catch him
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  on a couldn't catch him with the
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  The big M and the parents are on
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  brief introductions of the youth.
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  The former polygamist youth, after we get this brief
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  introduction of these young adults that are former that are
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  from polygamist cults, the parents are on the couch and
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  Kody talks about how bad Warren Jeffs is and they're not all
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  like Warren Jeffs, he's evil, etcetera.
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  I kind of like didn't really care about the details of what
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  Kody was talking about, just that Warren Jeffs is evil.
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  Did you care about any of it? No, I did not have any takeaways
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  of that, but I do want to point out back when we met Kolleen,
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  she came out and she said that
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  take her anger out on and like
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  Maddie are going to be the perfect ones for her to do that
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  with. So foreshadowing.
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  After we get this information about Warren Jeffs from Kody
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  that literally, I don't remember
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  Carrie back up in Utah. Give us an update on the
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  nonprofit, how they help people escaping.
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  And sometimes these people have no family or connections in the
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  outside world. And so obviously, that's why
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  it's important. I don't know how much we need to
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  dive into that. It's what it is, right?
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  Like these people are in cults
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  have no one on the outside. So that's why these nonprofits
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  exist. So, you know, the kids, Maddie,
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  Logan and Aspen arrive at this
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  I feel like we weren't really given much of A this is what's
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  going to happen. It's like all of a sudden they
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  were doing it and they're priming walls and taping walls,
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  getting ready to paint and whatever.
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  And they kind of just jump right
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  real time that they're having.
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  any hobbies, and he says no. And I was like, oh, my gosh.
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  And he's like, yeah, I don't really, never really had any
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  hobbies. And I'm like, oh, God, like just
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  the first example of someone asking a normal question of one
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  of these people, what are your
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  And he's like, I don't really have any.
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  Oh, God. It just makes me feel so bad for
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  these people that are raised in environments where what is it
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  all just manual labor and prayer
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  It's just like, Oh my God, you
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  you even are interested in. I don't know, it just made me
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  feel sad. Maddie is taken aback by it for
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  sure. She's trying to have a
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  conversation with him and ask him questions and you can tell
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  he doesn't really know how to have a normal conversation,
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  especially probably with a girl and a girl like outside of
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  someone that he's grown to know and comfortable with.
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  Even the other girls that are there and part of the group,
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  he's uncomfortable around because later on when they ask
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  if he wants to ride in the car
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  to. And it's just like he doesn't
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  have a personality at all. And it's not his fault.
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  Obviously you're not allowed to have a personality.
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  You're not allowed to be any different than the horde of
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  sheep that you're supposed to be
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  And this poor guy. Yeah, it just hit me for some
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  reason. I can't imagine not having
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  interests or hobbies that don't involve religion or like
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  obeying my parents. Like I don't even know what that
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  means. Well, the sad thing is too, that
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  if from a young age you're basically told that being
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  different is wrong and you have to color inside the lines and
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  your brain literally doesn't make those connections as you're
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  growing as a young child, you use them or lose them.
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  Like, your brain is growing so
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  first three years of life even.
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  And if you're not nurtured and you're growing up and in this
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  environment that they've grown up in, part of me wonders, like,
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  literally your brain chemistry growing up as a child that's
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  been affected. I don't know, Like, it just
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  makes me feel so bad. Like, yeah, listening to him.
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  Hopefully his time spent after escaping and up until today has
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  been spent doing a lot of exploring, like self
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  exploration. Exploration of the world, I
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  hope. Maybe some psychedelics open up
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  that mind again, some mushrooms, I don't know, not
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  condoning it. I'm condoning it.
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  I'm all about it. I think that it could be super
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  helpful in therapy for people like this.
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  Like I think that this is a like
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  somebody like him would be the
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  I don't know. The awarenesses that could come
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  from LSD or, you know, even ketamine treatments, that is
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  more common today, yeah. Could be really, really helpful
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  to reprogramming. Yeah.
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  Oh. My God, a therapeutic trip under
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  the right circumstances, right?
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  Under super. Because I straight up throughout
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  just like dead behind the eyes, kind of like didn't know
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  what to do with himself, didn't have a personality.
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  And I really, truly hope that he's in a better place now.
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  They did not say how long he's been out of at FLDS church.
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  At this point, no. We didn't really get many
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  details about. It yeah, so that could have
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  something to do with it too. Like we don't know how long he's
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  shocked. But I'm guessing that they
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  picked these four to be like the best feet forward the people
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  that agreed to be on this show. So I do think it'd be weird for
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  them to put him in this position after helping him if
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  they didn't feel he was ready to be in this situation.
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  So I don't know what that says, but.
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  Kolleen with AK is going to give us some more of her updates,
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  some more details about her. She left twice as a teenager.
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  At 15 years old, she escaped polygamy, but then she was sent
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  back. I don't think we got any details
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  her or that maybe some sort of child welfare was involved.
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  And yeah, she got sent back. Yeah.
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  But at 17, she was able to leave for good.
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  She volunteers that her first memory is of her father, who was
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  Don't really know what to say about that.
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  Like Oh my God, I wonder. OK so and Kolleen in general is
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  harping on all polygamists. So she is anti polygamy.
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  Every statement that she makes about polygamy is like a broad
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  delusional and all these things. When she says that her first
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  memories of her father beating her up, I'm going like, do I
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  believe this? And I think I do.
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  But her, her appearance and her demeanor seem so kind of like
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  trying to get something, you know, making an impression,
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  being dramatic. Aggressive.
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  Aggressive, as you said, her makeup was she's very
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  aggressive. She.
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  Is she's very aggressive. So that for some reason gives me
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  No, you're not. She's got hard edges everywhere.
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  somebody like that with a chip
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  hard to believe what they're saying because there's no give
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  in the conversation. There's no give and take.
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  And it makes you wary of like anything they're going to say
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  because you're like, well, you
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  You have an agenda. And it's that everybody's bad.
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  You're not willing to listen. And it goes like on both sides
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  of the spectrum, right? Like she has this hard stance
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  just as a hardcore member in the
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  stance. So it's like if you you catch
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  more bees with honey or flies with honey.
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  So I don't know, her approach is
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  really does want to help people.
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  Yeah. Oh, she's so angsty with the
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  aggression. Is this surly angst?
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  Just kind of like, I'm stuck at 15 and I hate everyone.
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  Like, OK, but like, Oh my gosh. Really, she is in this era, like
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  probably can't move past between 15 and 17 when she was
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  escaping, and she needs therapy to help move on and to
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  continue growing up or she's going to be probably stuck in
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  this for a bit. Yeah, she keeps saying that
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  anyone that would be a part of
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  It just must be stupid. And you just can't say broad,
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  sweeping statements like that.
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  intelligent reason as to why you
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  You're just saying it and thinking that that's going to
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  change minds. Like, that's not how it works.
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  It's like having a Facebook message board argument, like in
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  the comments section, Like, Oh
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  change minds, you know? But yeah, Steven tells Maddie
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  that he has three moms, that he had four moms and then one
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  left. And then he talks about how he
• 27:47
  there. I mean, he had one that he felt
• 27:50
  close with, but that's kind of it.
• 27:51
  And she left. Yeah, it's really sad.
• 27:55
  We find out, you know, about a few of their situations and that
• 28:07
  kids went by the wayside. Dad was the king and the leader
• 28:12
  of the house. And so, you know, everything was
• 28:15
  about getting his attention, not
• 28:18
  After we have these kind of brief introductions to Kolleen
• 28:22
  and Steven, we get a shot of Maddie outside with Logan and
• 28:28
  Aspen. And they're clearly taking a
• 28:30
  break from their manual labor to
• 28:34
  the producers. And Maddie says that she does
• 28:37
  not want to live polygamy, but
• 28:40
  She says that she supports her
• 28:42
  They're good people. And as she's starting to talk
• 28:45
  about this, the tears are welling up in her eyes.
• 28:49
  And I'm like, oh, God, girl. And she says if these kids had
• 28:53
  been raised the way they should have been, they would be happy.
• 28:57
  And she's getting all emotional.
• 28:58
  And I'm like, well, you know, it's actually nice to see Maddie
• 29:05
  move me, but I don't know. Yeah, You can tell she's just
• 29:09
  overwhelmed. She goes, it's disgusting what
• 29:13
  And that she understands why they don't see the good side of
• 29:17
  polygamy and they've never had a chance to see the good side.
• 29:22
  She says that a few times, which he is disgusting.
• 29:27
  And she says that she had more support than a lot of other kids
• 29:34
  that, you know, in a monogamist family, she thinks she might
• 29:37
  have had less support because of all of the people in her
• 29:40
  polygamist family. In between these Maddie sound
• 29:44
  bites, Nicole talks about living in her car when she escaped the
• 29:49
  polygamous compound or wherever she came from.
• 29:52
  Now Nicole is a fellow Kingston's person like Kolleen.
• 29:56
  While she was 16 when her dad
• 29:59
  tried to marry her off and so she ended up leaving and her dad
• 30:06
  would not accept it. And the only way she got her dad
• 30:09
  to accept that she left is that she was 22 and she got married
• 30:13
  to an outsider of the church and
• 30:18
  That's right. So the only way that she would
• 30:20
  get her dad to leave her alone
• 30:26
  is over. Is she married an outsider?
• 30:29
  She's currently 22 so I don't know when she got married, she
• 30:32
  had to have gotten married very young If her dad was trying to
• 30:36
  marry her off at 16. And then now she's 22 and has a
• 30:39
  kid. I don't know.
• 30:41
  Like it's just really sad. She basically fled a marriage
• 30:45
  with probably some creep that was way older than her just to
• 30:50
  go off and marry to escape that life anyway.
• 30:55
  Obviously it's better she got to
• 30:58
  she wanted to and is happy with.
• 31:01
  But still, it's like, what a shitty way to have to like,
• 31:05
  flee. It's just sad.
• 31:07
  Yeah. And then she talks about how
• 31:10
  basically all of her friends were physically, sexually and
• 31:13
  emotionally abused like all of her close friends.
• 31:17
  And she makes a comment that she thinks there's probably a lot
• 31:22
  going on in Aspen, Logan and Maddie's parents marriage that
• 31:30
  And I really thought that was a good observation on her part.
• 31:37
  Like these kids seem very naive about polygamy and I'm sure that
• 31:45
  parents behind closed doors as they shouldn't.
• 31:48
  Like I don't think any child should know if their parents are
• 31:58
  kids, not your problems. Yeah, it was an interesting
• 32:01
  bullet point because I think that she's right.
• 32:05
  But I agree that it's like, well, what should they be
• 32:10
  entrenched in their parents problems?
• 32:12
  Like that doesn't make any sense either.
• 32:13
  So it was kind of an odd place for me.
• 32:16
  Yeah, because these kids are so used to seeing all of the shit
• 32:28
  smoke. Like there's got to be some sort
• 32:32
  Yes, yeah, yeah. And we do find out that, yeah,
• 32:46
  Am I smelling smoke? Maybe I'm just having a stroke,
• 32:48
  you know, that kind of thing. Not sure.
• 32:50
  To Nicole, the smoke would be the fact that there's polygamy
• 32:56
  There's got to be fire somewhere.
• 32:57
  The smoke is already here, and it's polygamy.
• 32:59
  Totally that that makes sense. Carrie has a little moment where
• 33:07
  people are that are fleeing the FLDS, and she says that Suzanne
• 33:12
  was so scared of anybody when she got out that she had trouble
• 33:18
  I can see that because they thought they were all evil.
• 33:21
  I can see that Suzanne has a, oh, I don't want to say the word
• 33:29
  Totally soft spoken and kind of that shoulders pulled in and
• 33:33
  timid, timid, yeah, like not looking anyone in the eye, kind
• 33:37
  of never looking anywhere kind of thing.
• 33:38
  And it's like, OK, girl. Like yeah, definitely the cult
• 33:43
  Yes. For sure.
• 33:45
  Absolutely. Yeah, but she seems very sweet.
• 33:47
  And she's actually really cute
• 33:49
  too. Like she seems like a very sweet
• 33:51
  girl. Yeah.
• 33:53
  Oh, keep sweet. I shouldn't have said that.
• 33:55
  Poor God, she seems like a sweet
• 33:59
  But then, yeah, well, the keep
• 34:01
  Dang well. It's just like me, just like
• 34:03
  you, we keep sweet. You know, ask my husband about
• 34:07
  it. Yeah, I know, right?
• 34:09
  Anyone who's ever spent more than 5 minutes with me and
• 34:11
  they'll agree. Sweet.
• 34:13
  At this point, we get a little
• 34:16
  kids are introduced to Christy, who runs a host family home.
• 34:21
  So I'm a little unclear. Once again, they didn't really
• 34:24
  do a good job of setting this up
• 34:26
  So I'm going, were we priming and painting Christie's home to
• 34:30
  have people move in? Did we prime and paint another
• 34:32
  home and now Christie's home is a different home and they're
• 34:34
  moving things in. It's hard to know.
• 34:36
  And also we don't really know that they're moving things in.
• 34:39
  This is just because we've watched the episode.
• 34:40
  So I know that they do. This is the problem.
• 34:42
  They they're not giving us any
• 34:45
  It's weird. So we go to the house and
• 34:50
  Kolleen is talking about how she
• 34:55
  it's basically, yeah, like a hosting family that takes in
• 34:59
  the kids and like the one offs that escape, not the families.
• 35:06
  And. Yeah, you know, like the, you
• 35:08
  know, the stragglers, the ones
• 35:12
  And yeah, Kolleen is talking about how her house family is
• 35:17
  her real family now and that she
• 35:19
  And she now has a real dad and a
• 35:24
  and that's amazing for her. And so I think that they bring
• 35:27
  us to that house to show like what a house family is.
• 35:30
  That makes sense. Yeah.
• 35:32
  And then I think that the house that they're fixing up and
• 35:35
  moving furniture into is probably, and like, don't quote
• 35:41
  me on this, but I think it's Suzanne's family because they
• 35:44
  talk about moving her mom's. Her mom's stuff.
• 35:46
  That's right. Yeah.
• 35:47
  OK. So I really wish they would have
• 35:48
  clarified this because for some reason, the way that you're
• 35:51
  saying it is totally makes sense.
• 35:53
  I think Christie is Kolleen's host mother, her mom.
• 35:58
  And she refers to her as her mom
• 36:00
  And I did find that to be a little like, oh, OK.
• 36:03
  Like, I don't know at what age
• 36:09
  people that are caretakers, caregivers.
• 36:12
  Yeah. Because she's 17, but is she 17
• 36:15
  at filming? I don't think so.
• 36:18
  So. She's like 19 now.
• 36:20
  I don't want to nitpick at it,
• 36:22
  follow and I blame Putty, Uncle Monkey, Puddle Puddle Monkey
• 36:27
  Productions because it's like,
• 36:31
  us a little clearer of a breakdown?
• 36:33
  Yeah, they don't. I guess if I was just casually
• 36:35
  watching it as I was scrolling
• 36:37
  care. So like, to be fair, it's all
• 36:40
  right. But Kolleen's host family's home
• 36:43
  is where we're at. Christie's her mom and Kolleen
• 36:46
  gives us some further background
• 36:51
  history. She said that she would only see
• 36:54
  her bio dad for holidays, birthdays, and occasionally at
• 36:58
  church. Not sure that Kolleen with a
• 37:01
  cake told us how many wives or
• 37:04
  We just know he's an elder, so
• 37:07
  far and wide. Yeah, we don't hear about that.
• 37:11
  We find out later about another one.
• 37:14
  Yeah. Oh God.
• 37:15
  Yeah, she, God, she says that her dad was like the king of the
• 37:19
  house and that when he would come over they had a glass ass
• 37:22
  plate and nice dishes just for
• 37:26
  And they got the shitty like plastic, whatever throwaway
• 37:31
  stuff that we always talk about,
• 37:33
  Yes, the landfill. So yeah, she would see her mom
• 37:36
  basically roll out the red carpet for her king of a father
• 37:40
  every time he came, and she resents it for sure.
• 37:44
  Even the way that she was describing it has those heavy
• 37:47
  vibes of like angst and aggression.
• 37:49
  And it kind of like you could have described this without
• 37:53
  being so kind of whatever. But she does paint a picture.
• 37:57
  She paints a picture and it's not a cute 1.
• 38:00
  And it reminded me of the whole thing with Robyn.
• 38:05
  And it's like undertone of polygamous slash, overtone
• 38:08
  slash. What it is that when the husband
• 38:10
  shows up, he is number one. You're in the house.
• 38:14
  I'm going to. Oh, it's all about you, honey.
• 38:17
  We love you. You're so amazing.
• 38:18
  You walk on water like you don't
• 38:21
  home because you only get him so
• 38:25
  you. Yeah, you don't have to lift a
• 38:27
  finger when you come here, darling.
• 38:29
  And that's why, you know, Kody
• 38:32
  having issues with Christine. I've been probably Janelle too,
• 38:36
  but primarily Christine is like,
• 38:40
  expect you to show up and be a
• 38:41
  And he's like, excuse me? Like, I can go to Robyn's and
• 38:44
  just kick my feet up on the couch, you know?
• 38:48
  Oh, yeah. I just can't even imagine as a
• 38:51
  young child seeing your dad come
• 38:59
  that is the head of the household and mommy is getting
• 39:03
  out the nice things that only come out when he is there and
• 39:07
  how warped that would make your mind.
• 39:12
  And I think that's why she is like these.
• 39:17
  This is my mom and this is my dad.
• 39:19
  I think it's easy when someone
• 39:26
  situation as a child for them to
• 39:31
  from someone. So even though she's only known
• 39:34
  them a short period of time, they've shown her compassion and
• 39:37
  love. And so yeah, like she's the.
• 39:40
  Unconditional love that she didn't get from her parents.
• 39:44
  I think she actually says that.
• 39:46
  Yeah, there is a splice up here in between Kolleen with AK's
• 39:51
  bullet points where Logan says he and Maddie don't want to live
• 39:58
  And so this is I think where Kolleen kind of we get her first
• 40:15
  Yeah. And, you know, we get Maddie,
• 40:18
  who says, I couldn't handle it, I wouldn't like it.
• 40:21
  And then they look at Aspen and she's like, well, I want to do
• 40:28
  polygamist. And then they just kind of go in
• 40:35
  older person it was but they make the comment.
• 40:39
  Well, how would you feel if you know he had?
• 40:42
  Sharing. Sharing your husband so even one
• 40:52
  they do say you guys are handling this like pros, like
• 40:55
  they say that they give them their props.
• 40:57
  So don't want to like, you know, but Aspen literally is kind of
• 41:05
  vibes. She's just kind of like, I mean,
• 41:10
  And it's like, Oh my God, like how do you answer these
• 41:13
  questions? But also if you're going to have
• 41:19
  She's also like 16 or 17. Yeah, she's like, I haven't even
• 41:26
  don't know, like I literally wrote down IDK like she's like I
• 41:31
  don't know. She's getting asked like this
• 41:33
  serious question and she's thinking about it for the first
• 41:36
  time, right? She's like, so confused.
• 41:38
  Totally. And Kolleen with AK, Oh my gosh,
• 41:42
  she's like poor Aspen. She's brainwashed.
• 41:48
  Brainwashed. She says to Aspen.
• 41:53
  I think you're going to get screwed over.
• 41:54
  Yes, honestly, I think you're going to get screwed over.
• 41:59
  These statements are so dramatic.
• 42:01
  And she says, she says again, I think you have to be dumb to do
• 42:05
  it. And then Maddie says, well, I
• 42:07
  don't think my parents are dumb.
• 42:09
  Right. She's so aggressive.
• 42:11
  Yeah, it's just kind of like. And these kids do do a great job
• 42:21
  it called? Like eat it up or do you know,
• 42:25
  And I would be all like, listen, bitch, I'm not dumb.
• 42:28
  And it's like, OK, well, just consider who you're listening to
• 42:36
  let Aspen do this because she is pretty young and she's not very
• 42:44
  assertive, like in general. So to put her in a situation
• 42:49
  where she's got to defend polygamy, it's like that's why
• 42:56
  put on your child to defend your choice like that.
• 43:00
  And now here it is. And she's like.
• 43:04
  Totally. Like I'm caught.
• 43:05
  I'm caught in the headlights. I don't know.
• 43:08
  Gosh. As the scene continues, they are
• 43:14
  So this is where you put the pieces together.
• 43:17
  Before I did that, this home that they were painting, it's
• 43:20
  probably for Suzanne's family because they're moving in
• 43:24
  different items. And the first one that we get
• 43:26
  drawn attention to is a computer, like a desktop CPU
• 43:30
  component, like the box. It's definitely old school, but
• 43:34
  there's like a sticker on it that almost looked like as a
• 43:38
  pin. Like I feel like it had depth
• 43:40
  but then. Like Pedro Pin.
• 43:41
  But when they peeled it off, it was just a sticker.
• 43:45
  At first, it looked like a pen. And it has Warren Jeff's face on
• 43:51
  Warren Jeff's stickers are put on everything.
• 43:53
  They're put on many things because we're to pray every time
• 44:02
  saviors behind bars, so they're supposed to pray for him
• 44:05
  and pray for themselves. Because nobody believed it and
• 44:12
  just tearing the family apart and against their church and.
• 44:15
  It was so creepy. I can't remember what the saying
• 44:21
  one of those stupid, like one of those weird culty phrases.
• 44:24
  And I just was imagining being in an environment where we've
• 44:29
  seen footage of the FLDS compounds as the prophet of the
• 44:34
  FLDS. His portraits are everywhere and
• 44:41
  school, he leads them in prayer.
• 44:42
  He's just like everywhere. So to have to constantly be
• 44:45
  praying to this prophet, this human, just gross, gross.
• 44:51
  And then we move on from the CPU, from this old computer to
• 44:57
  Suzanne's mom's headboard. Well, first they go and there's
• 45:01
  a bunch of school desks and they're having to peel the
• 45:03
  stickers with like, paint. What are those?
• 45:07
  Scrapers. Scrapers.
• 45:09
  And they're having to peel Warren Jeff's face and these
• 45:11
  stickers off of multiple desks
• 45:17
  And Maddie says she thinks it was cathartic for them to be
• 45:21
  peeling these stickers off. Like, it probably felt pretty
• 45:23
  good. It was a nice thing for them to
• 45:25
  be doing. Liked it, Fair enough.
• 45:28
  And Suzanne said that she was devastated when she found out
• 45:32
  who Warren really was. Right?
• 45:35
  Like when she came to terms with
• 45:41
  that it was real. She was devastated.
• 45:45
  She was raised that he was the
• 45:50
  to God really and. She said it makes you question
• 45:53
  everything, like everything you ever thought was real, like
• 45:57
  you're questioning your reality.
• 45:59
  And this is when we see Suzanne's mom's headboard.
• 46:04
  Being brought in, it's like white and arched.
• 46:10
  It's an arched wooden headboard. Painted white and on it it says
• 46:17
  keep sweet on the top and on the bottom it says dreams.
• 46:21
  And they discuss this idea, the notion of keep sweet.
• 46:24
  And I go a little like, Oh, cod, Oh cod, because, you know, we
• 46:28
  have keep sweet moments on this show and I try to like I don't
• 46:37
  thing and the vibes, but really like keeping sweet is.
• 46:41
  It's dark. Really really dark.
• 46:43
  Especially have like on your headboard.
• 46:44
  Oh my God, an adult woman's headboard.
• 46:47
  Very dark. It's basically a way for them to
• 46:54
  there's something wrong with you.
• 46:56
  And if there's a fight between the kids, Suzanne says that they
• 47:05
  yourself, keep it inside, shut up and act nice, keep sweet.
• 47:09
  And then the same thing with the moms, which is why it's on her
• 47:18
  you? Keep sweet.
• 47:19
  It's a manipulation tactic. And it was something that they
• 47:22
  would say specifically to the girls and children.
• 47:26
  Friendly reminder to leave us five stars in a friendly
• 47:28
  compliment. A review.
• 47:30
  A review that we would love to
• 47:32
  Make sure to keep sweet out there.
• 47:34
  I think of Sweet Honesty, the perfume from Avon.
• 47:38
  It was a perfume that they had
• 47:41
  Probably smell like baby powder.
• 47:44
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can picture the bottle.
• 47:46
  Oh my God. Then this is where the children
• 47:50
  decide just out of nowhere, out of the goodness of their hearts,
• 47:57
  Kolleen to come and meet their family, along with the two other
• 48:02
  other adults, of course. But yes, they want them to come
• 48:06
  and meet their family, and they think it's a good opportunity
• 48:10
  for them to see that polygamy can actually be a good thing
• 48:15
  still. After two days of helping, that
• 48:17
  was the only note that I took was that they helped these
• 48:19
  people out for two days of painting and moving furniture
• 48:22
  and answering their questions and being berated home for their
• 48:29
  Maddie says that she was concerned Kolleen would show up
• 48:33
  with a bad attitude. Yeah, and be antagonistic.
• 48:36
  Which I don't know why she would think that.
• 48:38
  I don't know why at all. But Maddie asked her to keep an
• 48:43
  open mind. Tanya and Carrie, the two adults
• 48:51
  won't validate them and won't recognize the abuse that's
• 48:55
  actually going on. Yeah, that.
• 48:56
  They won't even validate it at all.
• 48:58
  Like Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope.
• 49:00
  Yeah. So they have their own concerns
• 49:02
  about it and they are obviously going along.
• 49:05
  This is like their charity that, you know, they run, but they
• 49:09
  kind of have taken like a backseat this whole time, piping
• 49:18
  Yeah. So the group arrives, they show
• 49:22
  them inside of the Browns home. And Kolleen and Suzanne say that
• 49:34
  original homes with, like, all of the chaos and the noise.
• 49:38
  And I feel like that would be triggering if you'd been out of
• 49:43
  that quite a while. Especially in Kolleen's
• 49:46
  situation. She is the only person that left
• 49:52
  And to be going into a home that is chaotic and noisy and kind of
• 50:09
  Suzanne, so, you know, they both were identifying in some manner.
• 50:12
  But definitely Kolleen with AK
• 50:17
  Janelle says that Kolleen is hell bent on being everything
• 50:21
  that's not plague. Not plague.
• 50:25
  Well, Janelle clocked her. It wasn't.
• 50:28
  It wasn't that hard to clock, right?
• 50:30
  Yeah. And this is where they're where
• 50:33
  Stephen is asked about his situation and we get a little
• 50:36
  more detail, of course, not very
• 50:39
  Was the question posed to him why he left, or was it why he
• 50:43
  was kicked out? Why he was kicked out?
• 50:46
  Yeah, so he must have volunteered that he was kicked
• 50:48
  out or something. Yep, he said that he was kicked
• 50:50
  out and I think Kody, one of the
• 50:55
  Why would you be kicked out? And he says that he went out one
• 50:59
  night and that it wasn't the most common thing for him to go
• 51:01
  out, but that he stayed out until 2:00 AM.
• 51:05
  And so his father said you're out of here and kicked him out
• 51:09
  of the house. OK, So what does a boy without
• 51:12
  interest or personality do till 2:00 AM?
• 51:14
  Maybe stargaze. I don't know, like maybe cow
• 51:17
  tip? Cow tipping.
• 51:19
  Cow tip. I I don't know.
• 51:22
  I'm not, you know. OK, so let's assume he's a St.
• 51:25
  and he never did anything and then he just randomly stayed out
• 51:27
  till 2:00 AM for no reason. Then that, yeah, it's an extreme
• 51:31
  reaction. It also reminds me of how
• 51:34
  there's that whole exodus of boys.
• 51:37
  I was just. Going to say they find any
• 51:39
  reason to kick the boys out. Absolutely.
• 51:41
  They don't give a shit. Can't marry those boys off in
• 51:43
  the same way you can your daughters.
• 51:45
  No, it's another mouth to feed.
• 51:46
  As far as they're concerned, yeah, they can give a helping
• 51:50
  hand until a certain point. And then when they're supposed
• 51:56
  No one's going to approve their marriages, right.
• 51:58
  Even the ones that find somebody that they want to marry, the
• 52:03
  girl ends up usually being taken away.
• 52:05
  And no, you can't marry someone that you want to marry.
• 52:08
  You're already going to marry this man that's 20 years older
• 52:11
  You're. Being you're being assigned by
• 52:15
  So I have a feeling that it's one of those things.
• 52:19
  He just any reason to kick him out?
• 52:22
  Sure. Yeah.
• 52:22
  You're out of here. You don't respect my rules.
• 52:25
  Get out. It's awful.
• 52:27
  So Kolleen says that she was shunned her whole life and she
• 52:44
  Child devil child devil child does whatever devil child does.
• 52:50
  Well, you know she says which
• 52:52
  your dad is kind of the devil,
• 52:56
  I'm curious what Kolleen with the K did for to elicit such a
• 53:02
  response from people. It must have been her friendly
• 53:05
  disposition, her warm and welcoming way of speaking.
• 53:10
  So I have a feeling that this kind of has been going on her
• 53:15
  whole life, Like she said that
• 53:18
  than the other girls, she didn't
• 53:23
  a little girl. She was maybe wild.
• 53:27
  And then when she left at 15 and
• 53:32
  got shunned and was told all of her siblings were probably told
• 53:35
  nobody can talk to her. She left, she's a devil's child,
• 53:39
  nobody can talk to her. And that's probably when she
• 53:41
  really got shunned because the
• 53:48
  FLDS and a woman that fled, she talks about when she would try
• 53:54
  to run away and get drugged back.
• 53:56
  Each time she got drugged back, it was worse and worse.
• 53:58
  And her whole family was told that they couldn't talk to her.
• 54:01
  And she was like, I was a ghost in my own home.
• 54:03
  Literally, people would turn their backs, ignore me, talk
• 54:07
  about me like I wasn't there. It was like I was a shadow.
• 54:11
  And so I have a feeling that she
• 54:16
  even worse than when she was there as a child.
• 54:20
  Like, that is so awful and harmful to your psyche.
• 54:25
  But yeah, she says. They started calling me a devil
• 54:28
  child, but my dad kind of is the
• 54:33
  And does she have respect for her father, honey?
• 54:36
  Oh no, she has no respect for that man and wants to blow him
• 54:39
  up. Blow him up.
• 54:41
  I want to. Blow him up.
• 54:44
  That's some strong language there, Kolleen with AK.
• 54:47
  She wants to sound so intelligent and she wants to
• 54:50
  like come across as imposing and
• 54:54
  people, but she doesn't have the
• 54:57
  intelligence yet. And I'm not saying she's stupid,
• 55:00
  I'm just saying she hasn't gone probably through any sort of
• 55:04
  proper education to know what to
• 55:10
  to use. And so she says things like I
• 55:13
  want to blow him up. And it just shows that she's
• 55:19
  stuck in this mentality of a 15 year old.
• 55:22
  Absolutely. The language she uses is
• 55:25
  alienating to someone who isn't even a polygamist.
• 55:28
  Like, listening to her is just
• 55:31
  And I want to have empathy for
• 55:34
  I want to, you know, hear about her experience in a way that
• 55:37
  isn't so brash and, like, hard
• 55:41
  She just doesn't know how to do it.
• 55:42
  She's going the complete opposite way, just like what
• 55:45
  Christine said, because she's rebelling and rejecting anything
• 55:51
  that had to do with her previous
• 55:53
  And I, I get that, you know, like I'm sure that that's part
• 55:57
  of the process of getting out of
• 56:00
  anger that comes with it and whatever, but it just comes
• 56:04
  across. It's the.
• 56:05
  Process that they refer to, I said deprogramming.
• 56:08
  Yeah, deprogramming. I thought that's the term.
• 56:12
  There's an opportunity for Kody to jump in.
• 56:14
  They've got him on the couch, and he's talking about, of
• 56:16
  course, now how he feels about
• 56:20
  And he says he feels like it's
• 56:26
  How do I make it better? I'm like, oh, God, Kody, Jeez,
• 56:32
  Kody, when was the last time you
• 56:34
  anybody? There's a tinge of like, of
• 56:37
  course, this is all about you,
• 56:41
  You know, it's just. Him and Robyn always have to
• 56:45
  bring it back to themselves. Taking up space, I feel like I.
• 56:47
  Need to shoulder this responsibility.
• 56:51
  Right, I'm going to be a father figure to this girl.
• 56:53
  Shut the fuck up. You're not even a father figure
• 56:56
  to most of your children. She doesn't need that from you
• 56:58
  dude. To Lulu, Very.
• 57:01
  But yes, you're right, Robyn gets to make it all about her
• 57:03
  later. And here we've got Kody, making
• 57:05
  it all about him. These two are insufferable.
• 57:07
  Like for real they're. Truly magic.
• 57:09
  They're the people's coupled. Tanya does take a moment during
• 57:13
  some discussion to clarify that they help people that are both
• 57:15
  escaped the cults and who are still in it.
• 57:18
  And of course Christine has to
• 57:20
  home. And it's like Christine, shut
• 57:22
  the fuck up. Like, Oh my God, if you talked
• 57:25
  about everything you didn't know, we would never hear the
• 57:27
  end of it. Just I don't know why Christine
• 57:30
  gets under my skin so much. Of course they help people that
• 57:32
  are out and of course they would
• 57:34
  in and want to get out. Like hello.
• 57:37
  Or maybe if they aren't prepared
• 57:39
  out, you still might need things.
• 57:41
  I think that what she means here is that they help people who
• 57:44
  want to stay in their religion but want to be in a healthy like
• 57:59
  completely out of polygamy. When Tanya's saying no, we do
• 58:02
  help people that still like, want to be in their religion but
• 58:09
  An example could be picking up Leon and making sure that Leon
• 58:16
  Get Leon to be a doctor. Let's make sure Leon's a doctor.
• 58:23
  makes sense. OK, good.
• 58:24
  God bless, yadda yadda yadda. Suzanne shares a little bit more
• 58:27
  about her story. Got me in the heartstrings.
• 58:31
  And she says that her father was
• 58:34
  Now, you know, a little vague on
• 58:39
  father was told you need to leave and go repent.
• 58:42
  We do get a little bit more after this.
• 58:45
  So I'm sorry if I sound a little
• 58:47
  about? He said he was leaving and that
• 58:49
  they were to forget about him. Can you imagine?
• 58:53
  And then he basically packed up his shit and just drove away.
• 58:56
  And she said something, you know, like, he just drove out of
• 59:00
  And it was just like, oh, God.
• 59:04
  considered Warren Jeff's children.
• 59:06
  Warren Jeff is now your father.
• 59:08
  But because our prophet is in prison, you will be given a
• 59:13
  caretaker. God.
• 59:15
  Here, Tigger. Now, what's funny is when I was
• 59:18
  saying something to you about this, I was referencing this new
• 59:27
  The False Prophet, which recently came out on Netflix and
• 59:34
  yeah. Getting a lot of attention, a
• 59:36
  lot of the other Sister Wives podcasters, they're doing a
• 59:39
  little coverage on that and I hope that they're giving it
• 59:42
  justice. It blew up like Kolleen's death.
• 59:47
  Oh my God. So I was just making a joke
• 59:51
  about how they talk about caregivers in this Netflix
• 59:55
  documentary. They're constantly talking about
• 59:56
  caregiver, caregiver, caregiver.
• 59:58
  And you were like caretaker. And I'm like, oh God, it is
• 1:00:02
  caretaker. It's not even caregiver.
• 1:00:03
  Yeah, they're like Undertaker. God, it's like, why are we
• 1:00:07
  saying caretaker? Oh God, so many things that are
• 1:00:10
  just not right. Yeah, it's awful.
• 1:00:13
  So Suzanne was told by her father that her family would be
• 1:00:17
  given a caretaker because the prophet who's now their father
• 1:00:23
  Yeah, this is all two months before her and her mother and
• 1:00:28
  siblings flee the caretaker. To Salt Lake City.
• 1:00:32
  So this all happens within a 2 month period where Suzanne's dad
• 1:00:40
  to go and repent. Taken those directions from the
• 1:00:45
  prophet in prison. Suzanne's family, when they
• 1:00:48
  escaped to Salt Lake, are connected to Tanya and that's
• 1:00:51
  how they are now being housed and helped.
• 1:00:54
  Yeah, she's like, we literally fled through the backyard and
• 1:00:57
  jumped the fence and went to a neighbor to ask for help, and
• 1:01:01
  they ended up giving them Tanya's information and the name
• 1:01:10
  So insane. And can you just imagine with
• 1:01:13
  all the kids, I think how many siblings does she have?
• 1:01:16
  9 or something? A lot, yeah.
• 1:01:19
  And as a mom, if and people always are like, why didn't they
• 1:01:28
  kids would have been taken or kept.
• 1:01:31
  And I, as a mother, cannot imagine leaving it like one
• 1:01:38
  child behind. You know what that life is like.
• 1:01:44
  behind there? And I know people end up having
• 1:01:47
  to do that, but just such an awful thing to even think about.
• 1:01:51
  Good Lord, jumping over a fence and running away because you've
• 1:01:55
  got a caretaker, basically an undertaker watching over you.
• 1:01:59
  And God knows what that person's
• 1:02:02
  And how awful that person is. Yeah, the idea of fleeing your
• 1:02:06
  own home, the other examples I
• 1:02:10
  occupation, recent things with
• 1:02:15
  and just kind of these larger organizational backed by
• 1:02:19
  government things. And so the idea of fleeing your
• 1:02:23
  own home because of this cult situation, it just, I don't
• 1:02:30
  know, it's just so icky. It gives me the XXXX.
• 1:02:32
  The fact that anybody can call
• 1:02:36
  is, blows my mind and it's just truly appalling and shocking
• 1:02:41
  that people are living this way.
• 1:02:43
  It seems like it's made-up or like a.
• 1:02:45
  Story from back in like. Oregon Trail days, you know,
• 1:02:47
  like the way that they dress. It's like, what is going on?
• 1:02:51
  So the next morning we're at Janelle's house for breakfast.
• 1:02:58
  pancakes and sausage or something.
• 1:02:59
  And I was like, I need to make pancakes soon.
• 1:03:01
  I love pancakes. They weren't having their like,
• 1:03:04
  weird Cream of Wheat mock, tapioca mock.
• 1:03:06
  Tapioca, No way, we're not Christine's.
• 1:03:08
  They were Janelle's. So having breakfast, blah blah
• 1:03:14
  and some of the kids for this lovely breakfast for this brunch
• 1:03:23
  stuff, which I thought was an interesting example because I'm
• 1:03:26
  going, did Janelle ever make breakfast?
• 1:03:29
  I mean, she might have made these pancakes.
• 1:03:31
  Might be more likely that even Hunter made them, but maybe Kody
• 1:03:37
  Maybe they put Nicole to work. They were like Nicole.
• 1:03:40
  Guests make breakfast. Yes, we would flit from kitchen
• 1:03:43
  to kitchen to get what we needed.
• 1:03:45
  This mother sharing everything except for the kitchen.
• 1:03:49
  But. Like snow borrow.
• 1:03:50
  Things from the kitchen We all know that Janelle was abused by
• 1:03:54
  Meri in the kitchen so. I know, that's why I'm like, OK.
• 1:04:00
  finding out that Meri beat the
• 1:04:02
  kitchen. Janelle's like, I would just
• 1:04:04
  walk over to Meri's and grab things like, yeah, no wonder
• 1:04:08
  Meri beat the shit out of you.
• 1:04:10
  No wonder Meri was a little harsh with you, but whatever.
• 1:04:14
  Now, I didn't know that it felt like the dinner the previous
• 1:04:18
  day. They were laying it on a little
• 1:04:20
  thick. Kody was going over to each wife
• 1:04:23
  and making sure to give them the
• 1:04:26
  very obvious to me and it felt like they were putting on a
• 1:04:29
  show. Now we've got Janelle pretending
• 1:04:34
  They were just swapping spatulas.
• 1:04:37
  Yeah, just swapping their spatulas, swapping cups of
• 1:04:42
  sugar, acting like Snow White. Meanwhile, the episode before,
• 1:04:51
  OK, sounds good. You know, there is an overall,
• 1:05:02
  great and Kody's a great dad and everything's fine.
• 1:05:06
  I just keep picturing them trying to be like Disney movie
• 1:05:14
  Shoulders, there's no white. Is that what you said?
• 1:05:15
  Yeah. That's what I'm imagining like
• 1:05:20
  Beautiful morning at Janelle's house.
• 1:05:23
  With the broom. Just like the three wives going
• 1:05:30
  back and forth between the kitchen singing that.
• 1:05:35
  Song God, I love that. That's what I imagine.
• 1:05:37
  That's so good. Especially Janelle.
• 1:05:39
  Like right girl, right? But you have to imagine them all
• 1:05:45
  it. And then Robyn's over somewhere,
• 1:05:49
  Oh my God, like the hunter? No, Yes, straight up.
• 1:05:53
  Coming to cut their hearts out.
• 1:05:56
  Oh, Jesus. Nicole tells us that her moms
• 1:05:58
  never got along. Now this is so crazy, so crazy.
• 1:06:03
  Shocking.
• 1:06:04
  She's asked, well how many moms did you have?
• 1:06:06
  And she said 2727 and I was like, did she just say 27?
• 1:06:11
  And. None of them got along.
• 1:06:14
  None of them got along and I went JFC, which is short for
• 1:06:20
  Jesus fucking Christ, what in the world 27 moms?
• 1:06:25
  But then she says a real banger.
• 1:06:27
  What was that banger, honey? Oh my God.
• 1:06:29
  It was a banger. She says that they basically are
• 1:06:40
  And all of the moms were having a fight for the attention of the
• 1:06:46
  And so they're pitted against each other and it's like
• 1:06:50
  prostitution. They're being prostituted out to
• 1:06:53
  get the attention of their husband.
• 1:06:55
  And I have to agree because all of the girls are worth so much
• 1:07:00
  in the FLDS and they're selling them off to the highest bidder.
• 1:07:06
  How can we get closest to Warren
• 1:07:09
  Which one of our daughters is going to catch his eye and get
• 1:07:12
  us in favor with him? And you better keep sweet or
• 1:07:17
  we're going to kick you out because we can't fall out of
• 1:07:19
  favor with the Prophet. Who's in prison?
• 1:07:22
  Yeah. And to add on to what Nicole
• 1:07:24
  said at the beginning of her quote, I think it's just control
• 1:07:27
  freaks trying to get power. So like the power element is
• 1:07:32
  what you're talking about. And then this whole prostitution
• 1:07:34
  call in totally makes sense. It's just like so bizarre to
• 1:07:39
  hear someone talking about that with their mother mothers, but
• 1:07:43
  there's 27 of them. So I'm wondering in my mind
• 1:07:45
  going, how many children was Nicole surrounded by on a
• 1:07:49
  constant basis? I'm wondering what their setup
• 1:07:52
  was, right? Like to have 27 mothers.
• 1:07:55
  I mean, if they were an individual homes, you would
• 1:07:58
  never even see all of their homes.
• 1:07:59
  I mean, it's so weird to think
• 1:08:03
  have been. There really probably would not
• 1:08:06
  be 1 and it would just be whoever the man felt like giving
• 1:08:09
  attention to at the time and the
• 1:08:13
  attention. And she says that she felt like
• 1:08:17
  she didn't ever have a mother because it was not about the
• 1:08:21
  kids, it was about him. It was about the father and
• 1:08:25
  getting his attention. And she had 27 moms but never
• 1:08:31
  had a mom. That would be so crazy. 27 moms
• 1:08:35
  and to never feel like you had
• 1:08:38
  It's really a sad and awful. Because when you think about a
• 1:08:40
  27 moms and then the way that these people reproduce, I mean,
• 1:08:42
  we're talking about like a town,
• 1:08:47
  village, not just an expression,
• 1:08:51
  municipality. Fucking insane.
• 1:08:53
  And how do you deprogram all of those people and be like, your
• 1:09:00
  And that's when you get these deadpan staring, you know, men
• 1:09:11
  aren't women for them, right? And they get kicked out to the
• 1:09:17
  The Lost Boys. And the really sad thing about
• 1:09:25
  And even their moms that flee, they when they take their sons
• 1:09:32
  And it's because that's what they saw and that's what they
• 1:09:37
  were taught. And I think that the men and the
• 1:09:43
  in all of this because you're thinking about, like, the
• 1:09:46
  molestation and rape of these girls when, you know, there is
• 1:09:51
  this other horrible dark side of it that now you're bringing
• 1:09:55
  all of these, like, boys out onto the street that were taught
• 1:09:59
  that women are not equal to them and they're, quite frankly
• 1:10:04
  dangerous. But they're also needing
• 1:10:07
  guidance and needing to be deprogrammed.
• 1:10:09
  And like, this is this whole other dark side of it, right?
• 1:10:14
  It's really fucking weird. Yeah, that's such a odd two side
• 1:10:22
  do need the deprogramming, but also that they are going to
• 1:10:25
  default to being terrible to women because of their
• 1:10:28
  upbringing. It's like, Oh my God, like, how
• 1:10:31
  do you help these people? Well, and then the moms are
• 1:10:34
  taught that you know, they're less than men.
• 1:10:37
  So then they escape and they've got their boys with them.
• 1:10:41
  And I read a story where the mom had two teenage boys and they
• 1:10:46
  were abusing her. And the person that got her out
• 1:10:50
  of the FLDS was like, you have to report them to the police.
• 1:10:54
  They are not going to learn unless they sit in jail.
• 1:10:57
  And they have to learn that they can't treat women like this out
• 1:11:01
  here. And it was really hard for the
• 1:11:07
  It's just so backwards, like all the way around, yeah.
• 1:11:12
  Well, on a brighter note. Anyway.
• 1:11:15
  Kody Kody. Kody tells us that it gets hot
• 1:11:24
  inspiration and a thought leader.
• 1:11:27
  Yeah, he's like the sun in Teletubbies just coming up in
• 1:11:30
  the morning. Guess what guys?
• 1:11:36
  It gets hot here in the desert
• 1:11:39
  go to Mount Charleston to escape
• 1:11:44
  Now, what's funny is I guess we're all supposed to surmise
• 1:11:46
  from this that Mount Charleston is up in the sky and shaded and
• 1:11:51
  there must be trees and it's. 20
• 1:11:53
  Something. Yeah, he says.
• 1:11:55
  Oh, he did actually tell us. I.
• 1:11:56
  Think he did. Oh, thank you.
• 1:11:58
  Yeah. And that it's cooler there up in
• 1:11:59
  the mountains. But first we have to tour all
• 1:12:02
  the. Homes.
• 1:12:03
  Oh yes, we got to bring these.
• 1:12:05
  These four visiting young adults
• 1:12:08
  in four different houses, once
• 1:12:11
  it in on thick. We're not all in a compound.
• 1:12:14
  We're in four different houses, which it's like you're also
• 1:12:17
  saying that you don't like, but you're going to use to
• 1:12:19
  demonstrate that you're not so
• 1:12:22
  All right, Kody. It's a little weird because they
• 1:12:24
  talk about how the moms are so
• 1:12:29
  they're like, well, we're not like that.
• 1:12:30
  We all love each other and we're
• 1:12:32
  Oh, but we live so differently.
• 1:12:34
  Let us let us show you our four homes.
• 1:12:36
  I don't know. Yeah, the logic isn't logicing.
• 1:12:40
  Agreed.
• 1:12:40
  Agreed. They start at Christine's house,
• 1:12:42
  which is funny because we go on this tour, we don't even need
• 1:12:45
  to get to go to all four of the houses.
• 1:12:47
  So they're teeing up that they're going to do this with
• 1:12:49
  them. I think we only see two of their
• 1:12:50
  houses. Classic for this fucking show.
• 1:12:54
  So Christine's house they start and the 1st place we get to see
• 1:12:58
  is whose bedroom darling? Who do we get to see their
• 1:13:01
  bedroom? Mikkelty God.
• 1:13:08
  Mckelty. This room.
• 1:13:10
  Oh, that hurt my throat. And that's such a great way to
• 1:13:13
  say Mckelty. God, this room.
• 1:13:15
  If only again, I was thinking,
• 1:13:18
  And we've only begun our journey
• 1:13:22
  This is what's so great. We're in Season 5.
• 1:13:24
  We've only gotten a little taste, a little touch of
• 1:13:28
  Mckelty. It looks like a hoarder's house
• 1:13:31
  where she should be wearing a tinfoil hat and sitting in a
• 1:13:35
  chair with a cat rocking back and forth.
• 1:13:39
  But also organized horde because
• 1:13:44
  walls every square inch. Of the wall.
• 1:13:46
  I'm sure she would call it art.
• 1:13:48
  Yes. The walls are covered in paper,
• 1:13:50
  you guys. Design, design.
• 1:13:52
  She's a designer. Remember, she's a world renowned
• 1:14:00
  room to really express who she is within an inch of its life.
• 1:14:09
  Claustrophobia is all I would feel if I was in that room.
• 1:14:12
  Literally there's not a space to look at that wasn't covered in
• 1:14:20
  walls with doodles than Robyn's doodles of jewelry, but not by
• 1:14:29
  there's a heart made out of paper.
• 1:14:31
  Yes, and it's gorgeous. And Kody just thinks it's the
• 1:14:35
  best, most creative thing he's ever seen.
• 1:14:37
  He loves it and I feel like the heart might have also
• 1:14:40
  incorporated pictures of their family.
• 1:14:42
  Inside of the heart, yes. Paper on top of paper on top of
• 1:14:46
  paper. A lot of paper.
• 1:14:48
  I like that you called them doodles.
• 1:14:49
  I was going to call them Sketches Honey because she is a
• 1:14:53
  world renowned fashion designer in the making.
• 1:14:55
  All I have to say is please don't ever light a candle in
• 1:14:58
  your room, Mckelty. Nothing flammable in that room.
• 1:15:01
  Holy Moses.
• 1:15:02
  Every square inch of that wall
• 1:15:04
  It was a lot, but when I say this, what's funny is that she
• 1:15:08
  really did attempt to try to have it be like a design.
• 1:15:11
  Like there was a Mckelty method to the madness.
• 1:15:14
  It wasn't just like she threw a bunch of shit everywhere she
• 1:15:16
  was trying. It's like what the inside of my
• 1:15:19
  ADD brain probably wants to look
• 1:15:24
  I don't know. We've got a special insight now
• 1:15:28
  when you're like Chris, my ADD's
• 1:15:30
  oh, I know what's happening. It's and imagine flashing
• 1:15:33
  through all of those pieces of
• 1:15:35
  in my mind. You're like, I have the perfect
• 1:15:37
  sketch over here and I'm like,
• 1:15:38
  God, the idea on the tip of my
• 1:15:41
  Is it the high or low On which
• 1:15:43
  Was it near a window? Is it in the heart?
• 1:15:44
  Oh my God, A lot happening in Mckelty's room.
• 1:15:47
  But you know, she's a creative.
• 1:15:49
  You got to give it to her. She is.
• 1:15:51
  There's something about that girl.
• 1:15:53
  She's fucking nuts. And then the only other home we
• 1:15:57
  get to see on our tour of four homes is Meri's home, and it's
• 1:16:05
  shoes, one in each house, because you know, some of these
• 1:16:07
  things he's got to have four of because you know he's running
• 1:16:09
  every morning. He's an athlete, star athlete,
• 1:16:13
  Got to have the same pair of four running shoes in each house
• 1:16:20
  house. At one of the houses, I don't
• 1:16:22
  know whose, he points out his favorite photo, and guess what
• 1:16:30
  this is my favorite photo. It's a family photo.
• 1:16:33
  He goes, this is my favorite photo.
• 1:16:35
  It's at Robyn's wedding reception.
• 1:16:38
  Yeah, yeah. It's a photo of Robyn's wedding
• 1:16:41
  reception. Tell us how you really feel
• 1:16:44
  about the family. Well, it's when their family
• 1:16:47
  became whole, honey, and that's HOLE, not WHOLE.
• 1:16:51
  But the fact that he describes the photo as Robyn's wedding
• 1:16:57
  reception is the weirdest way to describe that photo.
• 1:17:01
  Not like, oh, this is a family photo.
• 1:17:05
  This is the first family photo we all took together.
• 1:17:08
  And that's why I love it. When the gaping hole joined the
• 1:17:11
  family instead, it was Robyn's wedding reception.
• 1:17:14
  And it's a gaping hole, and it's not a round hole, it's a square
• 1:17:20
  one, because their jaw hit the ground on its way down.
• 1:17:24
  Giggity. Giggity.
• 1:17:25
  Quagmire's face, but it's Robyn. Oh, it's crime against humanity.
• 1:17:31
  more on Robyn coming up. Don't worry, we're it's not like
• 1:17:33
  Robyn's getting away with nothing on this episode.
• 1:17:35
  She's not getting away with anything.
• 1:17:37
  Now everyone's getting ready to hit the road.
• 1:17:39
  They're all going to hit the road.
• 1:17:40
  And of course they have to play.
• 1:17:42
  They're like, Oh my goodness, chaotic music.
• 1:17:43
  Oh, we're getting in the cars. Kody.
• 1:17:46
  I got a scene over here and I'm like, of course he's in the
• 1:17:49
  fucking copper convertible, the Meri Kay convertible.
• 1:17:52
  At some point, they do talk about jealousy.
• 1:17:55
  Suzanne talks about jealousy with, I think it's Janelle a
• 1:18:00
  little bit before they're, like, getting in the cars.
• 1:18:03
  And Janelle admits to, you know, situations where there could be
• 1:18:08
  jealousy. And then Suzanne, in a clip of
• 1:18:16
  perfect and that neither is polygamy.
• 1:18:19
  Right. And I was.
• 1:18:21
  I felt like that comment was odd because jealousy exists in many.
• 1:18:27
  Right now, Right. So just because they're saying
• 1:18:29
  polygamy isn't evil doesn't mean
• 1:18:31
  perfect. Yeah.
• 1:18:32
  So once again, a little bit of a disconnect therefore.
• 1:18:34
  Looking for a chink in the armor I believe.
• 1:18:37
  Oh yes, yes, absolutely. So everyone's getting ready to
• 1:18:43
  wherever the fuck they are outside of Las Vegas where
• 1:18:45
  they're cooling down in the summer, which is great.
• 1:18:48
  Mount Charleston. Mount Charleston.
• 1:18:50
  And Christine says it doesn't seem like Kolleen was having a
• 1:18:57
  And Kolleen is literally like giving daggers.
• 1:19:00
  Like she's just looking like someone say something to me.
• 1:19:04
  I dare you. Is someone going to talk to me
• 1:19:09
  Cheerios this morning? How come I wasn't invited to the
• 1:19:15
  house. Well, that wouldn't be a bad
• 1:19:17
  breakfast. Robyn's.
• 1:19:18
  What? If she had breakfast at Robyn's?
• 1:19:22
  tart and I can't even put it in a toaster for you.
• 1:19:26
  I made these eggs in the microwave.
• 1:19:28
  I hope you like them, they're a little runny.
• 1:19:30
  I hope you like over microwaved eggs.
• 1:19:33
  You got to eat it with a knife
• 1:19:34
  Like, Oh my God, Rob, like beef jerky.
• 1:19:37
  Yes, it's like beef jerky. Throws the whole egg.
• 1:19:40
  She's sitting there like, who's going to come at me?
• 1:19:43
  Who's going to talk to me? And you know, Kody, he's got to
• 1:19:47
  show up like the man he is and
• 1:19:50
  shell, try to RIP open the crust
• 1:19:54
  He's got to shoulder this responsibility of all these baby
• 1:19:57
  chicks. This is it.
• 1:19:59
  He feels it. He feels it is his destiny, his
• 1:20:02
  destiny. And so he starts to try to crack
• 1:20:06
  that shell, that hard shell around Kolleen.
• 1:20:09
  And she responds in kind by saying, would you say being a
• 1:20:13
  good father is one of your ultimate goals?
• 1:20:15
  Because she's trying to, you know, kind of yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:17
  I see what you're doing here. And I'm going to give you a
• 1:20:19
  hardball. I'm going to throw you this
• 1:20:21
  curveball. And he goes, yes, yes, from the
• 1:20:24
  very beginning, that's my thing.
• 1:20:26
  And I went having an aneurysm because flashing to the future,
• 1:20:32
  he is A1 of America's most notorious reality TV.
• 1:20:37
  Horrible fathers, a huge reputation for being a bad dad,
• 1:20:43
  Ignoring, neglecting and straight up shunning his
• 1:20:47
  children, requiring apologies for things that don't require
• 1:20:50
  apologies, and an ass hat who is not spoken to by many of his
• 1:20:54
  children. So for him to say that from the
• 1:20:57
  very beginning, it was one of his ultimate goals to be a good.
• 1:21:01
  Is insane. He also says that he would never
• 1:21:05
  kick anyone out of his family and if anyone would get kicked
• 1:21:08
  out of the family it would probably be him.
• 1:21:09
  Right. OK.
• 1:21:11
  This is so season 5 Kody. This is so not season 15 or
• 1:21:15
  season 20 Kody. Because he's saying here, like
• 1:21:17
  he's talking about the shunning and whatever, and he's like, I
• 1:21:21
  could never do that to anyone in
• 1:21:25
  Any of my children. And then Kolleen is telling Kody
• 1:21:29
  she just doesn't think that it's
• 1:21:31
  Like, it's not fair to the kids to have this many wives and
• 1:21:37
  like, have this many kids. And I just find that interesting
• 1:21:40
  because she makes that comment
• 1:21:42
  fair. And then that's when she goes,
• 1:21:43
  like, do you want to be a good
• 1:21:47
  Right. And it's just like she knits,
• 1:21:50
  she knits, she knits that together, she hits the nail on
• 1:21:53
  the head with it without even realizing, like.
• 1:21:58
  It's it feels like it's low impact, but it's not.
• 1:22:00
  Yeah, the beginning of that question where she says that
• 1:22:03
  she's like, I don't think that
• 1:22:05
  Like to AKA the wives and kids, whatever.
• 1:22:11
  What she's basically getting back to here is the fact that
• 1:22:15
  there's not enough dad to go around.
• 1:22:17
  And she doesn't, you know, browbeat him after his response
• 1:22:19
  or anything. She's not trying to, like,
• 1:22:21
  really tear him down. She's been a little smart alecky
• 1:22:24
  about her approach, but fitting,
• 1:22:28
  Disney optimistic response, which is not the truth.
• 1:22:31
  It's just his TV persona for now.
• 1:22:34
  Right. Fucking asshole.
• 1:22:37
  We realize that Aspen and Maddie
• 1:22:41
  Where did Maddie go? Where did Aspen go?
• 1:22:44
  Yeah, they've been missing for a
• 1:22:46
  little worried here, and I noticed that they've gone off
• 1:22:49
  with Suzanne. Oh.
• 1:22:50
  God, where did they go? Where, where, Where?
• 1:22:53
  Have my daughter's? Gone.
• 1:22:54
  I'm wondering what they're doing.
• 1:22:55
  Oh, look here. They return over the Crest at
• 1:22:58
  Mount Rushmore and they're coming down the hill.
• 1:23:01
  Look at that, George Washington's wives.
• 1:23:03
  They've they've gone back in time and they've returned to
• 1:23:08
  current day in their FLDS garb, their Prairie dresses.
• 1:23:13
  With the bouffant hair. They've got the bouffant hair,
• 1:23:18
  I was wondering if she wiped away that makeup that she slept
• 1:23:20
  in for five days as you referenced.
• 1:23:22
  And I don't know, it seemed like she still had some makeup on.
• 1:23:26
  But yeah, they're wearing the Prairie dresses and they're
• 1:23:28
  wearing the hair, and they look straight out of A Little House
• 1:23:34
  corner, out of the woods of the deep dark woods.
• 1:23:39
  Yes. And the family says that it's
• 1:23:42
  shocking and makes them sad. Yeah, makes them sad to see the
• 1:23:46
  girls like that. And Suzanne says this is as
• 1:23:50
  shocking for them as it is for her mom to see her in her like
• 1:24:00
  which is very tame and nondescript everyday clothing.
• 1:24:09
  to see you in street clothes today, she'd probably be like,
• 1:24:14
  something. Janelle gets emotional.
• 1:24:17
  You know, everyone's starting to to feel the feels seeing the
• 1:24:20
  kids like this. I would freak out.
• 1:24:22
  Maddie and Aspen like this. I mean, it was.
• 1:24:24
  I don't say it was jarring. I think it was a little
• 1:24:27
  insensitive. I if Suzanne hadn't have been
• 1:24:29
  with them when they did this, I would have been like, this is
• 1:24:32
  insensitive and awful. Insensitive to who?
• 1:24:35
  To the FLDS members. To the survivors that are
• 1:24:39
  escaping. That are there with them OK.
• 1:24:40
  Like, this is like a joke or something, right?
• 1:24:42
  Like, oh, it's a costume that we're putting on.
• 1:24:45
  Yeah. It was a little out of touch
• 1:24:48
  with reality for me. Like we're talking about people
• 1:24:51
  that have survived domestic violence, sexual abuse and
• 1:24:54
  beatings, and we're just going to come around the corner
• 1:24:59
  dressed like this. It was in bad taste.
• 1:25:02
  I think it was in bad taste. I can see that.
• 1:25:04
  And I think the only reason you're right that it wasn't for
• 1:25:08
  me is because Susan had gone like they were in on it, like it
• 1:25:15
  production pushing this? That's where I'm like, I doubt
• 1:25:23
  yeah I can help with the hair because Bitch knows how to do a
• 1:25:27
  bouffant after all these years. It's insensitive.
• 1:25:30
  Like we know it wasn't her idea and if she hadn't have been at
• 1:25:40
  That would have been yeah, yeah, she.
• 1:25:43
  Would have been like running into the woods herself like.
• 1:25:47
  Trauma, trauma, trauma. Yeah, you're right.
• 1:25:50
  OK, I didn't quite connect those dots, but I I see what you're
• 1:25:52
  saying. Well, and I think that's part of
• 1:25:57
  And it moves Janelle to tears in their confessional moments on
• 1:26:01
  the couches. Yeah, you're like, Oh, my
• 1:26:03
  daughter is in like sexual assault attire.
• 1:26:06
  Sexual assault attire. Janelle gets emotional and
• 1:26:11
  starts crying because of what these dresses symbolize.
• 1:26:13
  Yeah, like the stereotypes and all of these things, but not
• 1:26:17
  only the stereotypes that their family endures, but what these
• 1:26:25
  God, as much as they want to pretend like on the couch, Kody
• 1:26:29
  wanted to start off this whole endeavor of them meeting with
• 1:26:33
  these people and see the bad side of it, but yet not see the
• 1:26:36
  bad side of it. Because not all polygamists are
• 1:26:39
  like that. But yet here you are and it's
• 1:26:42
  like, OK, if you see your daughter dressed like that and
• 1:26:53
  Which is the vibe I got. I'm like, well then there you
• 1:26:57
  go. There you go.
• 1:26:59
  That's what's wrong with this. 100 Where does this fit in here
• 1:27:03
  with Meri's reaction being like, listen, this doesn't mean
• 1:27:07
  the thing. Like it doesn't mean that if
• 1:27:10
  someone wore the dress that they're a victim.
• 1:27:12
  It doesn't mean. And it's like, you know, I can
• 1:27:21
  Like we give Robyn some credit for that or we give her some
• 1:27:24
  whatever word you want to say, but Meri's really the one that
• 1:27:36
  Kind of makes sense. Yeah, she's like, it's not fair
• 1:27:38
  to say because they wear the dress, they are all this way,
• 1:27:41
  right? And it's like, bitch, we're not
• 1:27:43
  saying the people that wear the dresser all this way.
• 1:27:46
  That's not the thing here. That's not the issue.
• 1:27:49
  Oh God. It's the men in power.
• 1:27:52
  I know what the dress represents.
• 1:27:54
  It's messy, messy, messy, and production in this entire
• 1:27:58
  episode really doesn't help us clean up anything.
• 1:28:01
  And I'm so mad at Puddle Monkey right now because it's like, you
• 1:28:07
  Yeah, we had to decipher the storyline.
• 1:28:08
  And even just explaining this thing about Meri like they
• 1:28:12
  didn't even give like that would have been a nice sound bite for
• 1:28:15
  to have any backup on that. But no, instead she just looks
• 1:28:21
  square jaw nuts face. Who's even crazier, Robyn?
• 1:28:24
  OK, so all the adults are on the couch and you know, we
• 1:28:30
  Janelle's, you know, oh God, it's so terrible.
• 1:28:32
  And Meri's like, is it really terrible?
• 1:28:34
  We can't assume that. And then Robyn's like, hold on
• 1:28:42
  does this performance. I want to hear a positive story
• 1:28:46
  then. I because Meri's saying, you
• 1:28:47
  know, like it doesn't mean that it's negative.
• 1:28:49
  And then for some reason, this triggers Robyn into making it
• 1:28:52
  all about herself. Oh yeah.
• 1:28:54
  I want to hear a positive story and I haven't heard one yet.
• 1:28:58
  Like OK, I was in an abusive relationship.
• 1:29:02
  I was abused. I was abused.
• 1:29:06
  People kept giving him the benefit of the doubt.
• 1:29:09
  You have to give people the room to change.
• 1:29:13
  But sometimes when you don't see the hard truth, it continues to
• 1:29:19
  happen. And that's what happened to me.
• 1:29:23
  It's like, Oh my God.
• 1:29:25
  It happened to me. It happened to me.
• 1:29:28
  I know, first of all, I was not doing Robyn's voice at all, but
• 1:29:31
  the idea that this is somehow OK, I'm trying to let's let's
• 1:29:37
  try to help her out here. I think she's saying that she
• 1:29:40
  hasn't heard a positive story about the people in the dresses.
• 1:29:43
  Like every. Dresses, she says.
• 1:29:44
  Well, I want to hear a positive story about them then
• 1:29:47
  referencing the FLDS. Right.
• 1:29:49
  And she hasn't heard one. Yet, and I haven't heard a good
• 1:29:51
  story yet. OK, and now that would have
• 1:29:53
  actually been an OK place to end
• 1:29:56
  to Meri, you want to talk about how this isn't negative.
• 1:29:58
  I haven't heard one positive thing but instead she goes down
• 1:30:02
  this long crazy Rd. Of talking about how she was in
• 1:30:05
  an abusive relationship and that
• 1:30:09
  the doubt and that she wasn't given the benefit of the doubt,
• 1:30:12
  but then for some reason needs
• 1:30:15
  room to change. Yeah, and whether or not they
• 1:30:18
  are good people or not, this is happening.
• 1:30:21
  Right. Look, it's just what I just
• 1:30:23
  following. It was it was as hard as it was
• 1:30:26
  to follow what just happened here on this podcast.
• 1:30:28
  It makes your eye twitch, Yeah.
• 1:30:30
  And you're literally like, you're trying to say something.
• 1:30:35
  What are these?
• 1:30:37
  What are this? What are this?
• 1:30:39
  What are this you are saying to me?
• 1:30:41
  Because I do not know what this is.
• 1:30:44
  Also, when they're showing everyone else in classic Robyn
• 1:30:48
  Brown, you know, diatribe, speech, fashion, everyone is
• 1:30:52
  just kind of looking like no one's consoling her.
• 1:30:55
  They're so. Uncomfortable.
• 1:30:56
  They're just looking around like, what do we even say?
• 1:30:59
  Because they're not following either.
• 1:31:01
  They're just like, OK, so she's upset about something now
• 1:31:04
  again, and it's abuse. Well, you can tell Kody's
• 1:31:07
  looking at her like he wants to console her, maybe, but also
• 1:31:11
  that he's a little shocked. I was abused.
• 1:31:15
  I was abused. OK.
• 1:31:20
  This is the first time she's coming out and saying that.
• 1:31:23
  In a previous episode, I said she's playing battered woman
• 1:31:26
  syndrome about her debt. This woman, and I am not someone
• 1:31:34
  that's going to be like, oh, you're not a victim.
• 1:31:36
  I don't believe women when it comes to her and her
• 1:31:41
  performances that she puts on.
• 1:31:45
  battered woman syndrome that I
• 1:31:48
  It's like you are the reason that women aren't believed.
• 1:31:53
  Go and kindly fuck yourself like
• 1:31:59
  Agreed. Now, this is not the kind of
• 1:32:01
  podcast where we would just repeat rumors.
• 1:32:03
  No, no, no, no, no, never. But I have a little birdie from
• 1:32:08
  the Internet told me that realistically, with her
• 1:32:13
  ex-husband, there's all this like, confusion about the debt
• 1:32:16
  and the financial situation and the whatever.
• 1:32:19
  And according to some unnamed sources on the Internet, which
• 1:32:22
  you can't believe and I would never believe, apparently she
• 1:32:27
  rung up a lot of debt and was given money.
• 1:32:31
  Her family. Were given money by his family
• 1:32:36
  to correct these financial. Paid off so that they could buy
• 1:32:39
  a home. And then she spent all that and
• 1:32:45
  then eventually they did get divorced because he couldn't
• 1:32:47
  deal with this any longer. He like, lost everything.
• 1:32:50
  He lost everything including his
• 1:32:54
  of the story is that he was abusive and all these things and
• 1:32:57
  you remember he sure reports on it to sit in front of a space
• 1:33:00
  heater 1 winter. God.
• 1:33:03
  I mean, it's so weird to talk about these things because like,
• 1:33:05
  I don't know. I don't know that I can't put my
• 1:33:06
  hand. On children are like old enough
• 1:33:08
  that they would be able to speak
• 1:33:12
  and defend their dad. I think he's scared to say
• 1:33:17
  anything. I think his kids basically got
• 1:33:19
  stolen from him and he was like forced to sign away rights to
• 1:33:25
  them by letting Kody adopt them.
• 1:33:27
  And I think it was probably really all an awful experience
• 1:33:41
  truly a good person just trying to live his life.
• 1:33:44
  Most people want nothing to do with the press.
• 1:33:47
  A normal layperson that just wants to live their life and
• 1:33:51
  like have their children in their life would not want
• 1:33:55
  anything to do with any of that. And so he stays away from it for
• 1:34:08
  negative ones, by her, her lies, her made-up crap.
• 1:34:11
  If he's remarried and has new kid, not new kids.
• 1:34:14
  If he's remarried and has other children, whatever.
• 1:34:16
  Whatever life he's trying to live now, he has the right to do
• 1:34:24
  ex-wife in ways that he isn't. I wonder if he was asked to even
• 1:34:29
  Regardless of that, he's not obligated to, and if he doesn't
• 1:34:32
  want to, that's that. Like, yeah, here's another part
• 1:34:34
  of it. He was told when he signed to
• 1:34:37
  the adoption papers that there would be terms to the adoption
• 1:34:43
  And that happened for a little while.
• 1:34:47
  And after adoption papers are signed and somebody signs their
• 1:34:51
  rights away to like children unless it literally says in the
• 1:34:56
  adoption agreement something about visitation which I don't
• 1:35:01
  Why would you take your children to be with someone completely
• 1:35:05
  abusive and horrible that actually did abuse you after?
• 1:35:09
  They don't have rights to their child, their rights to see them.
• 1:35:15
  child from an abuser, even if they didn't abuse your children,
• 1:35:18
  if they abused you, that's abuse
• 1:35:22
  saw it, they were there, whatever.
• 1:35:23
  As far as I'm concerned, if you abuse a mother.
• 1:35:25
  Bring your. You're abusing your.
• 1:35:27
  Kids, non adult children to go
• 1:35:30
  she does. Why would you do that?
• 1:35:31
  Stay for like, I don't know, weeks in the summer or some
• 1:35:33
  shit. Like girl.
• 1:35:36
  It's just. She's a liar and a frog.
• 1:35:38
  Shit. She's a liar and a.
• 1:35:39
  Frog she is. And it's it's actually
• 1:35:41
  disgusting to me to put a man in
• 1:35:44
  in that situation, whether it be a man, woman, they, them,
• 1:35:48
  whoever it is. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:35:50
  It's fucked up. Yeah, and it's wrong.
• 1:35:52
  And she should be ashamed of herself and she's not.
• 1:35:54
  She's a shameless whore. She is shameless.
• 1:35:57
  And it's it's it's a challenge
• 1:36:00
  we're only going, we're coming
• 1:36:04
  Robyn lies about on a TV show.
• 1:36:08
  on the Internet that might not
• 1:36:10
  So it's like, what do you even
• 1:36:12
  And I hate to be that person. I don't want to be that person.
• 1:36:15
  I don't want to be like someone that's denying somebody's abuse
• 1:36:20
  and like their reality and whatever.
• 1:36:23
  I truly do think that when you
• 1:36:29
  confuse your own reality and at some point that becomes your
• 1:36:34
  reality. And so maybe she's twisted this
• 1:36:37
  narrative in her mind that these
• 1:36:43
  abusive, whatever that. Means to her.
• 1:36:46
  Yeah, whatever that means to her.
• 1:36:48
  Believes it. Yeah.
• 1:36:49
  Yeah. Maybe him trying to control
• 1:36:52
  money was abusive to her, you know, like we don't know what
• 1:36:55
  she means. She.
• 1:36:56
  Spent him into the poor house and he was like please stop
• 1:36:59
  spending money, no. I'm not hiding packages in the
• 1:37:02
  shed from you and sneaking him
• 1:37:05
  work, darling. I have to sit my son in front of
• 1:37:08
  a space heater. Well stop buying shit bitch.
• 1:37:12
  Pay your e-mail OK. Anyway, after that.
• 1:37:15
  Sorry about all that you guys.
• 1:37:18
  You come here for the truth and what a hard.
• 1:37:21
  Truth and nothing about the truth.
• 1:37:23
  Whatever we just gave you, it was near that so.
• 1:37:26
  Opinions and nothing but. Opinions.
• 1:37:28
  Yeah, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly.
• 1:37:30
  I, you know, we got to pass it
• 1:37:33
  allegedly, allegedly, allegedly.
• 1:37:34
  I just passed it through legal and they said we're in trouble,
• 1:37:38
  we better get on our knees behind a Pew and pray.
• 1:37:42
  I'll wear my Prairie dress, honey.
• 1:37:45
  And will you give me a bouffant? You know how I like it.
• 1:37:50
  Yes. The higher the hair, closer to
• 1:38:03
  her ponytail and one of the other wives takes the ponytail.
• 1:38:07
  Because what they do is they
• 1:38:09
  tease these pieces of hair, or
• 1:38:12
  their brushes and they put it under the bouffant to make it
• 1:38:15
  bigger. So this girl cuts off her like
• 1:38:18
  ponytail in defiance and the other wives like go crazy over
• 1:38:22
  it and take the ponytail so that
• 1:38:24
  bigger. Oh my God, sorry.
• 1:38:27
  Side note, it's fucked up. It's so crazy how that is so
• 1:38:31
  easy to believe. It is like, it sounds nuts, but
• 1:38:35
  I'm like, yeah, totes. I mean, they did it like back in
• 1:38:38
  the 17 or 1800s, they would take
• 1:38:41
  brushes and use it to like pad their wigs and shit.
• 1:38:44
  And that's like literally what
• 1:38:47
  Totally. It makes sense, even though it
• 1:38:49
  doesn't make any sense. Back to our story, back to this
• 1:38:54
  episode back. To the Browns.
• 1:38:56
  Back to the Browns, the Brown family takes Tanya, Carrie and
• 1:39:00
  the kids to dinner. La, la, la, la.
• 1:39:02
  I don't think did we care about any of the details from dinner.
• 1:39:05
  Literally nothing happens there.
• 1:39:06
  And I just noted that they go to a Mexican restaurant.
• 1:39:09
  Again, that's their like go to. We love a Mexican restaurant.
• 1:39:13
  We love a Mexican restaurant. Where they probably order the
• 1:39:16
  blandest food available now. After this dinner, the teens go
• 1:39:20
  to get ice cream and the parents go back to visit with
• 1:39:24
  Tanya and Kerry at Meri's house.
• 1:39:26
  When the teens go to get ice cream.
• 1:39:28
  Now you know, I didn't catch the
• 1:39:31
  I don't know if it was, you know, like cruising Hwy. 101 or
• 1:39:34
  whatever the other place was. They love an ice cream parlor,
• 1:39:37
  these guys. They love their hoops, the the
• 1:39:39
  poodle skirts, the greased hair.
• 1:39:41
  That's another huge thing for Mormons though.
• 1:39:43
  They don't drink coffee or drink, so they have soda.
• 1:39:46
  Shops, soda shops, Soda shops. Soda shops, you're right.
• 1:39:49
  Ice cream parlors for these guys.
• 1:39:51
  So Kolleen with AK says before coming here, I thought you were
• 1:39:57
  fake. I thought you were putting.
• 1:39:59
  On I. Thought you were just putting on
• 1:40:03
  bitches. She's like, I thought that you
• 1:40:09
  everybody. Well, turns out they were
• 1:40:11
  putting on a show. But you know, when you were also
• 1:40:20
  Somewhere in between. Yeah, exactly, Suzanne says.
• 1:40:22
  I don't think you're perfect, but I think you're doing a good
• 1:40:26
  job. I thought, you know what Suzanne
• 1:40:31
  She's great. I'm going to put a little heart
• 1:40:33
  next to her name in my notebook.
• 1:40:35
  I find her endearing, just like I find Christine endearing.
• 1:40:38
  They no. I wouldn't go that far, but.
• 1:40:41
  Christine. Christine hasn't been through
• 1:40:43
  all this shit, obviously. No, she's.
• 1:40:46
  But not aware. I find it promising for her that
• 1:40:51
  she's been out of the FLDS for
• 1:40:57
  she's doing well and able to speak to people like this as
• 1:41:02
  coherently as she does. And she actually does one of the
• 1:41:05
  little girl's hair, one of Christine's.
• 1:41:08
  Savannah, Savannah. She's got a bun in and she's
• 1:41:11
  like. Yeah, and she does.
• 1:41:14
  She does her hair and she's like, oh, how old are you?
• 1:41:16
  And she's like, oh, you're a year older than my youngest
• 1:41:18
  sister. And she's a good person.
• 1:41:23
  And I think she's going to have a good life ahead of her.
• 1:41:25
  And I'm like happy that she is
• 1:41:28
  And she's one person. I'm curious like.
• 1:41:32
  Where are they? Where are they now?
• 1:41:34
  Right, Like VH1, let's do a special cut to Meri's house
• 1:41:38
  where we've got Tonya and Kerry visiting with the parents.
• 1:41:42
  And Christine says she didn't know if Tonya would try to take
• 1:41:46
  her kids away because of the indoctrination and fear of
• 1:41:49
  outsiders. In the past, Christine was a
• 1:41:51
  little fearful of Tanya. You know Tanya heads up this
• 1:41:54
  nonprofit and big old scary Tanya my.
• 1:41:57
  She's heard some things about Tanya this.
• 1:41:59
  Is it the rumor mill? The rumor mill.
• 1:42:01
  Oh my gosh, I was a little worried.
• 1:42:03
  With hoping, holding hands or whatever.
• 1:42:06
  Helping, holding hands, hoping
• 1:42:11
  Hoping for help. Helping for hope.
• 1:42:13
  Hoping for hoping hands. Oh no, don't you look at us for
• 1:42:18
  facts. Oh God, this is rich.
• 1:42:21
  Holding out Herp, holding out help.
• 1:42:24
  Holding out help for Robyn's herpes.
• 1:42:27
  For the Herblerp, we're holding out her hope for the Herblerp.
• 1:42:30
  Pulpit hold out for Herblerp. So Christine is scared of Tanya
• 1:42:35
  Tanya's like little old mean. I was like, Oh my God, Tanya's
• 1:42:39
  given, whatever her name is, her
• 1:42:43
  little old me. So yeah, Tanya's definitely
• 1:42:48
  rocking that vibe. Now, this is where we're going
• 1:42:50
  to get a Christine moment. And I know you're like, oh, you
• 1:42:53
  know, Christine, she's naive and
• 1:42:57
  And I'm going, Christine's naive
• 1:43:01
  fuck. I thought everyone in polygamy
• 1:43:04
  was like us. So this is it.
• 1:43:06
  We're coming to the couch. Sorry.
• 1:43:07
  Once again, I'm getting ahead of
• 1:43:10
  spotlight moment with all the adults, and they're zoomed in on
• 1:43:13
  Christine and she's talking about how you know Tanya and all
• 1:43:16
  the things and the men of polygamy.
• 1:43:20
  I thought everyone in polygamy
• 1:43:24
  I didn't know that men could be bastards.
• 1:43:28
  I didn't know. I didn't know that men could be
• 1:43:33
  such bastards. I didn't know with the tears in
• 1:43:41
  her eyes and her nose as red as Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer.
• 1:43:45
  Yep, he didn't know before her
• 1:43:51
  about these men. These men now, okay, so
• 1:43:55
  Christine polygamist, royalty,
• 1:43:59
  was murdered by her other grandfather when he was the
• 1:44:01
  prophet and blah blah blah. And he gave he gave birth, he
• 1:44:06
  pulled a baby out of her vagina or whatever.
• 1:44:09
  Christine is a Pretty Little Princess and she doesn't know
• 1:44:12
  anything around her. Did she not know she used to do
• 1:44:15
  PR? She was a spokesperson for some
• 1:44:18
  sort of public relations thing
• 1:44:21
  She knew she is a liar. Yeah, this is weird.
• 1:44:24
  She plays the whole like, I just
• 1:44:27
  And it's like, bitch, you knew.
• 1:44:29
  You knew. And she double s down by saying
• 1:44:32
  there are common threads amongst these different groups,
• 1:44:34
  but there are vast differences between the polygamous sex and
• 1:44:40
  In her world, all the men were just walking on water.
• 1:44:43
  Meanwhile, she's with a husband who neglects her, her children
• 1:44:50
  blessing and use it to control women and to control people?
• 1:44:53
  And she taught children at one point.
• 1:44:56
  I mean this it's just. I think that she just lives in
• 1:45:05
  back up to the clouds and then she's in ignorant bliss for a
• 1:45:10
  while again and then sometimes she gets struck down.
• 1:45:12
  It's like, I don't even know. Yeah, I would definitely
• 1:45:16
  capitalize, italicize and bold ignorant in that sentence, yes.
• 1:45:21
  But she says earlier on when
• 1:45:25
  she's talking to Tanya, she was scared that they were going to
• 1:45:27
  take Aspen. She wasn't just scared that they
• 1:45:31
  were going to take her family.
• 1:45:33
  far fetched. Like she knew they couldn't come
• 1:45:35
  for her family in Las Vegas, but
• 1:45:39
  there that Aspen might not come home.
• 1:45:42
  Yeah, like, Oh my God. And I'm like, OK, you would not
• 1:45:45
  have actually let her go if you,
• 1:45:47
  Like, I would never let my child
• 1:45:51
  inkling they might not come back
• 1:45:54
  There's not a fucking snowball's
• 1:45:56
  And then Tanya says that this whole experience has been
• 1:46:00
  healthy for her and her business
• 1:46:06
  see. It's been healthy for them to
• 1:46:08
  see a different example, a different side of polygamy than
• 1:46:12
  what they usually see. Right.
• 1:46:14
  One staged for television. Yeah, basically.
• 1:46:17
  And oh, the Browns, you know, we
• 1:46:20
  bastards. And then they go back to the
• 1:46:23
  kids. I didn't know that men could be
• 1:46:27
  such bastards. Bastards, she says.
• 1:46:31
  It is breathy, yes. I'm looking right now like
• 1:46:39
  Janelle looks when Robyn's talking.
• 1:46:40
  I'm just like. Yeah, we wrap this whole thing
• 1:46:43
  up with the kids that have escaped from the horrible sects.
• 1:46:49
  That's ice cream. Shooby Doo.
• 1:46:50
  They're the ice. Cream parlors.
• 1:46:54
  They are. Does he love me?
• 1:46:55
  I want to know. And the kids say that they think
• 1:47:01
  that Kody is actually a dad and it's shocking that they have
• 1:47:04
  found a polygamist that's also a
• 1:47:08
  Yeah, Nicole says she has respect for Kody because he's a
• 1:47:11
  dad and a husband. They couldn't believe it.
• 1:47:14
  He does pull the wool over people's eyes.
• 1:47:15
  Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't remember that
• 1:47:17
  realizing that he was so terrible when I first watched
• 1:47:20
  the show. So you know.
• 1:47:21
  No, I just thought he was not bright.
• 1:47:25
  I thought he was showboat like
• 1:47:27
  didn't think it was because he
• 1:47:29
  terrible husband and father. I thought he was just in
• 1:47:33
  uneducated. Like an oaf.
• 1:47:35
  Oaf, yeah, for sure. That's what I always.
• 1:47:37
  Totally, totally. Kolleen with Aki thought all
• 1:47:41
  polygamists were stupid, but now
• 1:47:46
  dad. OK, She just doesn't know how to
• 1:47:50
  express herself. And I hope that she's learned
• 1:47:54
  how to express herself better than this because I think she
• 1:47:57
  could truly bring a lot to this charity.
• 1:48:01
  And I think that if she really
• 1:48:04
  happened to her, she'll be able to help other people.
• 1:48:08
  But until then, she will actually drive them back towards
• 1:48:13
  the religion because they're going to be scared of that's
• 1:48:17
  everything that we don't want.
• 1:48:21
  out and see. Yeah, she probably alienated
• 1:48:24
  plenty of people. Oh, yeah.
• 1:48:25
  But now I think the reason that we're also caught up on it is
• 1:48:27
  because Kolleen with AK is, I think I can tell that she's
• 1:48:31
  smart enough to get this. She can wrap her mind around it.
• 1:48:33
  She could correct this course.
• 1:48:36
  this was a long time ago. Maybe today she's more like,
• 1:48:39
  listen, I have actually been able to like put these ideas out
• 1:48:43
  and, and phrase things and you
• 1:48:46
  The concussion that I had from
• 1:48:51
  My hair is flat again. Oh.
• 1:48:53
  God, what is her hair color today?
• 1:48:55
  I got some therapy. I'm therapized.
• 1:48:58
  Therapized. Yes.
• 1:48:59
  Kolleen with AK reach out to me.
• 1:49:01
  Yeah, send me Adm slide into my DM.
• 1:49:03
  You know, I'm going to tell you I, I, there's one picture that
• 1:49:10
  We were a lot of love, like probably in some ways.
• 1:49:14
  Well, maybe, yeah, maybe you should slide in the hair.
• 1:49:16
  Maybe you should slide slide. I slide into Kolleen's DMS well.
• 1:49:21
  into each other's DMS and share old photos, swap old stories.
• 1:49:25
  Yeah. We do close up the episode with
• 1:49:27
  Maddie telling us that if Kolleen and her had met under
• 1:49:30
  other circumstances, she thinks that they would be friends and
• 1:49:33
  I agree. I agree they have.
• 1:49:35
  Like they do they have similar
• 1:49:38
  You know, they did have this like energy towards each other
• 1:49:41
  during it that they both wanted to prove their sides of things
• 1:49:45
  to each other and not in a malicious way, but in like a I
• 1:49:50
  got you a girl kind of way, like
• 1:49:54
  You could tell that they felt like kindred spirits with each
• 1:49:57
  other and so they wanted to help
• 1:50:01
  of view. They also both had hair, makeup,
• 1:50:04
  looks. They rock a look.
• 1:50:08
  They rock a look. They rock an attitude.
• 1:50:10
  Oh, God, I'm giving them. They have a look.
• 1:50:13
  They have an attitude. And yeah, I think I agree with
• 1:50:16
  everything you're saying. Well, we made it through this
• 1:50:18
  episode. Now you guys, it is funny
• 1:50:21
  because I don't know, hopefully we made you chuckle at least
• 1:50:23
  once or twice, because it was.
• 1:50:26
  It was a little heavy. It was heavy.
• 1:50:28
  And we like to keep it light around here.
• 1:50:30
  We like to bring you the facts
• 1:50:34
  And this episode is a little heavy.
• 1:50:36
  And we were. Unfortunately, we did have to
• 1:50:38
  delve into the gossip a bit. The rumor mill and the gossip.
• 1:50:41
  Yeah. That rumor mill?
• 1:50:43
  All alleged. Alleged.
• 1:50:45
  Alleged. I mean, you can't quote us on
• 1:50:46
  any of this. It's all a fever dream.
• 1:50:49
  Did you even experience? Don't sue us for our millions.
• 1:50:52
  Oh yeah, we're so rich. You, you're waking up now from a
• 1:50:55
  fuzzy dream. Oh, it's all WAVY.
• 1:51:00
  And then you woke up just in time.
• 1:51:03
  You woke. Yes, you woke up just in time
• 1:51:06
  for mustard seed and shit stain,
• 1:51:09
  You know what? Ladies first, I respect women
• 1:51:13
  and so you. This is the one time.
• 1:51:16
  Please bless us with your mustard seed for this week.
• 1:51:19
  I'm going to give my mustard seed to Maddie.
• 1:51:24
  Good one. Because I think that she had
• 1:51:27
  very good intentions. It all goes back to the
• 1:51:30
  intentions for me. I don't know.
• 1:51:34
  She went into this thinking, OK,
• 1:51:39
  She even said like while they were in the car.
• 1:51:42
  I'm not scared of the work we're
• 1:51:45
  I'm scared of the people we're
• 1:51:48
  She I hit it off with one of them in like a weird way that
• 1:51:52
  you could tell that her and Kolleen were vibing and they
• 1:51:57
  just wanted to like teach each
• 1:51:58
  And I think that that happened
• 1:52:02
  of them. And I don't agree with wearing
• 1:52:08
  dresses, but other than that she
• 1:52:12
  Yeah, I think my mustard seed.
• 1:52:18
  sometimes when people want to give mustard seeds to inanimate
• 1:52:21
  objects or a passerby character.
• 1:52:23
  But I do want to give my mustard seed to Suzanne because am I
• 1:52:30
  allowed to? I think so.
• 1:52:32
  I actually really love her. I agree, I think she had salt of
• 1:52:41
  like a serial killer? Oh my God.
• 1:52:43
  Well, I don't know, Suzanne, if you're able to, if you're able,
• 1:52:45
  if you're still out of the cult and you can hear us right now,
• 1:52:50
  Send a good vibes your way. I'm going to give you my mustard
• 1:52:57
  grow because you seemed endearing.
• 1:52:59
  And I'm happy that her family's out of the situation.
• 1:53:04
  And she spoke with a lot of candor, especially given that
• 1:53:07
  she probably at the time had a
• 1:53:12
  emotional understanding of things.
• 1:53:13
  And so kudos for showing up and giving us some love.
• 1:53:20
  I don't know. She still had a personality.
• 1:53:22
  She saw the fire about her. She still had something that was
• 1:53:25
  like. A fire.
• 1:53:28
  Well, I mean, like there is a little like spark there still,
• 1:53:32
  right? Like she wasn't like the other
• 1:53:33
  guy who is like dead behind the eyes, right?
• 1:53:36
  And that's not his fault. I'm not saying there's nothing
• 1:53:39
  between the ears. Poor Steven.
• 1:53:41
  I'm not saying that. I'm just like.
• 1:53:43
  You've hated on Steven this whole she.
• 1:53:45
  Well, he's good. I should stand.
• 1:53:50
  Yeah, no, thank you for backing me up because I'm struggling a
• 1:53:52
  little bit to even define it. I just.
• 1:53:53
  No, I just think that she has something special about her in
• 1:53:58
  the sense that she didn't let this horrible situation kill her
• 1:54:02
  spirit. And even just the moment where
• 1:54:05
  her and she was doing Savannah's
• 1:54:09
  conversation with a little girl,
• 1:54:12
  this good person that just needs some nurturing and have an
• 1:54:19
  education and learn and grow. And thank God her mom is giving
• 1:54:23
  that to her. Thank God her mom saw that the
• 1:54:27
  situation was wrong and got her kids out of it.
• 1:54:31
  And I think that a lot of these people escape on their own or
• 1:54:37
  in pairs. And the fact that her mom got
• 1:54:41
  all of her children out of that,
• 1:54:46
  mom. I can't imagine how hard that
• 1:54:48
  was. Keeping the keep suite
• 1:54:49
  headboard. A little fucked.
• 1:54:52
  Up. Well, we'll see where that ends
• 1:54:53
  up, you know. What would you do?
• 1:54:54
  It's like you don't want to get rid of all your shit.
• 1:54:56
  Well, this you need a headboard.
• 1:54:57
  And how old is her mom? Serves as a reminder of some
• 1:55:01
  things. Yeah.
• 1:55:01
  Yeah, Suzanne, you get my mustard seed and you've earned.
• 1:55:05
  It and Suzanne, if your mother
• 1:55:06
  still has that headboard and if she's not with us if she is,
• 1:55:11
  please take it out into the woods and burn it take off all
• 1:55:15
  your clothes and run around that
• 1:55:18
  best fucking life and charge your pussy by the moon do it
• 1:55:22
  just. Do it burn and burn.
• 1:55:25
  Burn the headboard and charge the pussy.
• 1:55:27
  I don't even know. I've never done that.
• 1:55:29
  Apparently you can charge your
• 1:55:32
  I don't know. I need your pussy and you let it
• 1:55:34
  like look at the full moon and I
• 1:55:36
  That I knew about the sun with
• 1:55:39
  pussy, Yeah. With the moon though.
• 1:55:41
  With the moon, yes. Mother Luna.
• 1:55:44
  Mother Luna. Give my pussy the power that it
• 1:55:47
  has. So, you know, shit stain.
• 1:55:52
  The shit stain is going to go to
• 1:56:00
  deep statement about saving these people from the FLDS and
• 1:56:07
  how we shouldn't give the benefit of the doubt to these
• 1:56:11
  horrible people because it's doing a disservice to the
• 1:56:14
  victims. Which is what she was trying to
• 1:56:16
  say but she couldn't fucking say
• 1:56:19
  had to make it about her so she gets my shit stained.
• 1:56:23
  I'm going to say that with this one with the saying I was
• 1:56:28
  abused and turning this in, we
• 1:56:32
  where people were abused and talking about sexual, physical,
• 1:56:37
  emotional abuse and she makes about her and her abuse like
• 1:56:42
  it's not even just a shit stain.
• 1:56:44
  It's like fucking blow out diarrhea on the floor stain.
• 1:56:47
  Robyn. Go to hell bitch.
• 1:56:49
  Go to bed, bitch. I fully support your decision,
• 1:56:54
  My shit stain. Oh God.
• 1:56:56
  You know, I really wanted to give it to Christine for that
• 1:56:59
  bullshit, but I'm going to give it to Kody.
• 1:57:03
  Kody Brown, because when he was asked about being a good father
• 1:57:06
  and if that was his ultimate goal, he said yes from the very
• 1:57:10
  beginning. And while I don't, I wouldn't,
• 1:57:22
  optimism or something. I could be, you know, I could be
• 1:57:26
  I'm whatever. Look at me, I'm jovial.
• 1:57:28
  I'm, I'm a showboat. I'm a I'm a performer.
• 1:57:30
  It's my cross to bear that these children are better be with
• 1:57:33
  them. I'm going to help them this time
• 1:57:41
  And in fact, in our coming up ONS in the next episode,
• 1:57:45
  Christine has a clip where she's like, the kids never see you.
• 1:57:48
  And that's what they're talking about now is that they never see
• 1:57:53
  talking about how yes, he's his ultimate goal is to be a good
• 1:57:57
  father from the very beginning. No, you are neglecting your
• 1:58:01
  children in real time. Literally the preview of the
• 1:58:03
  next episode of the Next. Episode and because this is ATV
• 1:58:07
  show being put on and we're only seeing what we're seeing,
• 1:58:10
  we haven't really been shown the whole thing yet and we won't
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  for a while. But Kody is an alleged deadbeat
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  dad, so he lied on national television about caring about
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  his children and he didn't stand up and say, Robyn, stop talking
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  about your supposed former abuse.
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  He lets her do it and so he is perpetuating the lie.
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  Yep. Yep, Yep, Yep.
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  Really. You stole my shit stain?
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  Because Robyn is the one that. Really, she deserved it.
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  She's diarrhea time around. Massive diarrhea.
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  Uncontrollable diarrhea. Our headboard moment.
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  No, just kidding. Our keep sweet moment this week
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  comes to us from Patreon. It is a comment from Lisa
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  Jamison. Hi, Lisa.
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  Hello, Lisa. She says I don't know how you
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  both do it. Your podcast is so good and the
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  sister wife episodes are so bad.
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  Great job guys. Thank you heart emoji and I love
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  that that is so sweet. Not only.
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  Well, thank you Lisa for this compliment and the.
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  Emoji back. Which is that's the whole point
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  of the Keep Sweet segment, everybody OK, five stars and
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  compliments. That's what we need.
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  Praise, praise, praise. But also I do agree with Lisa
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  that the episodes are so bad like this.
• 1:59:29
  This show is terrible. Literally every time we watch an
• 1:59:33
  episode, I'm like, well, and you're like, well, we look at
• 1:59:37
  each other and we're like, what are we going to have to say?
• 1:59:39
  And then we sit down and we're
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  say. We always have too much just.
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  Cut to two hours later, we're still talking.
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  Hours later. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is true,
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  Lisa. The show is ridiculous and we're
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  two deadbeat losers here talking
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  Patreon. Thank you for joining us on this
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