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Inside The Birds Week 5 Pregame Show With Greg Cosell: Philadelphia Eagles vs. Denver Broncos · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome to the Inside the Birds pregame show.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Mosher with Adam Kaplan from Inside the Birds.
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  Speaker 1: And for every pregame show, we bring in the man
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  Speaker 1: who watches more NFL tape than you can actually imagine,
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  Speaker 1: and he breaks down the tape of both the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: and their opponents, and that is Greg Cosel and fellas.
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  Speaker 1: We have a pretty interesting Week five matchup here between
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  Speaker 1: an undefeated Eagles team at home four and Oher at
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  Speaker 1: the Link welcoming a Broncos team that is two and two,
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  Speaker 1: but they've lost both of their games to two very
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  Speaker 1: good teams and by a total of four points. That's
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  Speaker 1: a one point loss to the Colts and a three
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  Speaker 1: point loss to the Chargers in Week three before they
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  Speaker 1: stomped on the Cincinnati Bengals last week by twenty five points.
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  Speaker 2: We got a very very.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting matchup, and I think it's safe to frame it.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get into the injuries, and we'll get into the
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  Speaker 1: styles and the offense versus defense. Adam, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: it's safe to frame this as a game where you
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  Speaker 1: have an Eagles team that's really trying to get right
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  Speaker 1: in certain areas and a Broncos team that may have
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  Speaker 1: just got right last week and wants to put behind
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  Speaker 1: some really close losses.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, man, kick, they could easily be four. And oh,
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  Speaker 3: you remember what happened with the Colts game. Yep, on
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  Speaker 3: the leverage play, so they lost that. And you know
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  Speaker 3: the other game they blow it in the fourth quarter
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  Speaker 3: to Justin Herbert brought them back with the Chargers. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they could be four.
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  Speaker 4: No, they made the.
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  Speaker 3: Playoffs that stunned me last year. I was not saying that,
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  Speaker 3: but Champagn's obviously a very good coach, and they got
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  Speaker 3: things turned around, and the evance shows up, and we'll
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  Speaker 3: get into man coverage and all that. They do this
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  Speaker 3: to me. By the way, on Sunday, the game time
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  Speaker 3: temperatures could be very warm. We're not having to worry
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  Speaker 3: about weather. It's a fun matchup. I'm looking forward to
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  Speaker 3: this one, Greig.
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  Speaker 1: Both teams, both teams inconsistent offense, but carried so far
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  Speaker 1: by what they are defensively.
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  Speaker 4: Agreed, Yes, and we can talk about that for sure.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the first of all, the Broncos last year
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  Speaker 4: led the NFL in sacks and right now, not counting
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  Speaker 4: of course, last night's game. I don't check those stats,
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  Speaker 4: but they lead the NFL in sacks after four weeks
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  Speaker 4: as well, So I mean they're pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, And for those who are really analytically driven, the
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  Speaker 1: Broncos if you don't just look at sacks and hurries,
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  Speaker 1: but even win rate and things like that, the Broncos
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  Speaker 1: are not only very talented, but deep, with lots of
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  Speaker 1: good pass rushers and of course a very good secondary.
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  Speaker 1: So this will be a very interesting test for an
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  Speaker 1: Eagles offense that is still trying to find itself and
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  Speaker 1: has been very sporadic adam. As we get to the injuries,
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  Speaker 1: there is no question that the end of the week
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  Speaker 1: for the Eagles was a lot better than earlier in
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  Speaker 1: the week. But also, unlike last week, the Broncos are
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  Speaker 1: a very very healthy team as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Broncos historically, but one of the healthiest teams
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  Speaker 3: going back a number of years. But yes, the Eagles
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  Speaker 3: got good news because Van Dallascott when he got added
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  Speaker 3: to the jury report on Wednesday. Again, I'm with that
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  Speaker 3: knee again, but he's going to play. Jalen Carter is
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  Speaker 3: something to watch in this game. Is he going to
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  Speaker 3: come in and out with a shoulder issue, which which
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  Speaker 3: you know, we put it out when he's drafted. He
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  Speaker 3: had a shoulder issue at Georgia and this keeps recurring
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  Speaker 3: with him. So yeah, it's something to watch. And this
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  Speaker 3: is why, barring Young, who we didn't know a lot
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  Speaker 3: about and Greg gave us a tape write down when
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  Speaker 3: Eagles claimed off waivers, he's playing. I mean he remember
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  Speaker 3: they traded Thomas Booker, so he's that first guy off
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  Speaker 3: the bench right right.
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  Speaker 1: The big injury story that we'll have to wait is
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  Speaker 1: for now is Nikobe Dean. He was not He was
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  Speaker 1: ruled out for this game. He is in the twenty
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  Speaker 1: one day practice window. And next week will become sort
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  Speaker 1: of interesting for him too, because as a Thursday night game,
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  Speaker 1: you don't have any actual practices. You have walked through,
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  Speaker 1: jog through practices, so we won't be able to see
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  Speaker 1: Nikobe Dean won't be able to really test himself in
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  Speaker 1: a real practice environment until probably the week after. That
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean he won't be action for next week, but
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  Speaker 1: I almost see it as an unlikely scenario.
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  Speaker 2: We just have to see what the coaches want to
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  Speaker 2: do in that case.
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  Speaker 4: That's going to be a fascinating situation to watch. As
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  Speaker 4: we discussed last week when the Patreon group about what
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  Speaker 4: happens when the Kobe Dean when he's truly ready to
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  Speaker 4: play right right.
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  Speaker 1: The Broncos injury report, I believe, came out and do
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  Speaker 1: you have any there's no one that is out correct
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  Speaker 1: of real.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're pretty clean. They're pretty clean. And uh, that's
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  Speaker 3: part in part of being a good football team. It's
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  Speaker 3: like having guys at the end of the year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: if you look at the twenty two season, remember how
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  Speaker 3: healthy the Eagles were. I think all twenty two starters
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  Speaker 3: were in a lineup. I remember that Chiefs in twenty two.
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  Speaker 3: That's part of it. And you know, but I'll say
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  Speaker 3: one thing, because fans get sometimes upset, why do you
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  Speaker 3: give the other team respect? Well, let's we're not taking
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  Speaker 3: a side here. This Broncos roster Greg's good.
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  Speaker 4: I guess it is pretty good. Yeah, we'll talk about
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  Speaker 4: their defense in particular, but they're pretty good across the board.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's not waste any time. Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to start off with this Eagles offense
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  Speaker 1: against a Broncos defense. Greg that ranks eighth overall as
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  Speaker 1: far as total yards. I believe even they're scoring defense,
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  Speaker 1: they haven't even higher ranked fifth overall.
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  Speaker 2: They rushed the passer.
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  Speaker 1: As you mentioned, extraordinarily. Well, they've laid the NFL in
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  Speaker 1: sacks last year. And what I find interesting, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: right this as through four weeks, they are second in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL in sacks per past attempt. What I find
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  Speaker 1: interesting about them, Greg, is that if you pull common
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  Speaker 1: NFL fans and show them pictures of the Broncos' best
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  Speaker 1: pass rushers, I bet.
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  Speaker 2: You a lot of them couldn't identify them. For whatever reason.
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  Speaker 1: Nick Bonito and Jonathan Cooper Joe just don't get the
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  Speaker 1: same headlines and recognition as Miles Garrett or Micah Parsons.
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  Speaker 4: No, and again, whatever this means, people can take this
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  Speaker 4: stat for what it's worth. But right now, Nick Benito
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  Speaker 4: was second in the NFL and passed thrush win rate.
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  Speaker 4: But you know it's funny. I did Benito coming out
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  Speaker 4: of Oklahoma, and I don't know what he weighs now.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes guys gained a few pounds here and there, but
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  Speaker 4: he probably weighed about two forty five. And I really
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  Speaker 4: liked his tape a lot because you can you see
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  Speaker 4: what he is in the NFL. To me, that's what
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  Speaker 4: he looked like in college, you know, And the only
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  Speaker 4: concern that I had was the speed to power, which
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  Speaker 4: he has shown. But this is a really intriguing defense
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  Speaker 4: because vance Joseph tends to be very opponent specific. You know,
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  Speaker 4: for instance, when they played the Colts earlier in the season,
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  Speaker 4: he just blitzed and played man a ridiculous amount of both.
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  Speaker 4: He doesn't do that every game. So you don't know
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  Speaker 4: how he's going to see playing the Eagles, particularly this
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  Speaker 4: version of the Eagles, when they're not really at this
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  Speaker 4: moment in time. They're not running them all particularly well,
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  Speaker 4: and they're not throwing it particularly well. So I don't
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  Speaker 4: know how he sees playing this version of the Eagles.
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  Speaker 4: But what are the things they do really well? Guys,
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  Speaker 4: Because don't forget, it's not just Nick Benito and Jonathan Cooper.
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  Speaker 4: John Franklin Myers is a very good player. Zach Allen
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  Speaker 4: is a really good player. They like to put five
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  Speaker 4: six guys on the front because what they do with
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  Speaker 4: their pass rush very often is what we call they
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  Speaker 4: gap you out, meaning they create one all ones and
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  Speaker 4: it's you know, people tend to look at just edge rushers.
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  Speaker 4: People might think, oh, Cooper won't have a big game.
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  Speaker 4: He lines up on the left side of the defense.
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  Speaker 4: He's lined up on the left side of the defense
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  Speaker 4: on every snap but one, two four games. Benito's lined
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  Speaker 4: up on the right side of their defense on every
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  Speaker 4: snap but seven to four games, so they don't really
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  Speaker 4: switch sides. So people might say, Okay, Cooper against Lane Johnson.
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  Speaker 4: Johnson will handle him. You know, Benito, he's going to
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  Speaker 4: go against my alatta. But inside is where they do
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  Speaker 4: a lot of things, and they've got guys who can
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  Speaker 4: win one on one, and they've got some really good
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  Speaker 4: stunt concepts inside that can be problematic. So it's not
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  Speaker 4: just the edge guys by any stretch of the imagination. Here.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of that, Greg, there's a guy I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: bring up. That's number ninety nine, Zach Allen, who not
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  Speaker 3: only a good player at him yet not a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people talk about him. Out of Boston College, he
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  Speaker 3: became a very underrated star for the Cardinals side a
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  Speaker 3: really big free agent deal yep a few years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Give us an idea of what he does for the defense.
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  Speaker 4: Well, first of all, he can win one on one
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  Speaker 4: in the as a pass rusher, but he's a really
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  Speaker 4: good run defender as well. I mean, and he can
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  Speaker 4: line up in multiple positions inside along your defensive front,
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  Speaker 4: depending on how vance Josaph wants to align it. But
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  Speaker 4: he's just he's long. He's probably two eighty five. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: he's not one of those little guys. He's a big,
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  Speaker 4: big guy and he uses his length really really well.
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  Speaker 4: He's he's just one of those guys at him that
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  Speaker 4: you know, because he doesn't get fifteen sacks. You know,
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  Speaker 4: people probably don't know that much about him unless you
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  Speaker 4: follow the closely. But as a complete defensive tackle, he's
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  Speaker 4: probably top five in the league. You know. Again, there's
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  Speaker 4: probably guys who you think of is better pass rushers
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  Speaker 4: just pure pass rushers, but he's a really complete player.
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  Speaker 4: And don't fall asleep on John Franklin Myers either. Now
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  Speaker 4: he's the quicker of the two in just in terms
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  Speaker 4: of you know, natural juice, and he's another guy you
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  Speaker 4: can line him up anywhere. But he's tough inside as well.
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  Speaker 4: So this is this is not an easy group to
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  Speaker 4: play against.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's also a deep group. Greg when
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  Speaker 1: you talk about you know, watch some tape and I saw, hey,
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  Speaker 1: Jonah ellis on the edges there, he's causing some havoc.
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  Speaker 1: DeAndre Tieman gets in there, you mentioned or Adam did
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  Speaker 1: earlier in the week a couple of there. They have
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  Speaker 1: a saveon Jones and who comes in and does something.
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  Speaker 4: He's looking from Lsu who's a big kid as well. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you know what's funny, I did? I did Alis coming out.
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  Speaker 4: I believe he's Utah. He's, you know, one of the Alice.
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  Speaker 4: He's been better than I thought. I'll be the first
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  Speaker 4: to admit it. I mean, I didn't think he was
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  Speaker 4: a bad prospect, but to me, he's played with a
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  Speaker 4: lot more quickness and juice in the NFL in his
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  Speaker 4: year and a half or a year and four games
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  Speaker 4: than he did in college. So he's turned out better
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  Speaker 4: than I thought he'd be. And he's he he has
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  Speaker 4: a lot of good snaps and he's he's a good
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  Speaker 4: pass rusher as well. So and our old friend Alex Singleton.
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  Speaker 4: He never comes off the field. How does it? You know? Greg?
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  Speaker 3: The word I got from people close the situation was,
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  Speaker 3: you know he under Schwartz. You know, the live backers
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  Speaker 3: play a little bit further back. He might have been
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  Speaker 3: laid to the ball. But you just talk about he
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  Speaker 3: plays every snap. He gets paid a lot of money,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, he got a huge free agent contract.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of tackles. Tackles are misleading. It's not a
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  Speaker 3: great stat How does that takee look like to you? How
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  Speaker 3: does he play?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, But but it becomes more than tackles, because if they're
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  Speaker 4: not going to take him off the field at that
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  Speaker 4: means they think that in every package, and he plays
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  Speaker 4: in every package, he doesn't come off the field, that
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  Speaker 4: he is not a liability. I mean that is more
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  Speaker 4: than not that he's not a liability. He's a really
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  Speaker 4: good player. He's incredibly active. I mean, you know tackles. Look,
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  Speaker 4: we know that tackles for a linebacker. You have to
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  Speaker 4: look at the plays. But he is a very very
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  Speaker 4: active player. He's got good size, he's got good length.
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  Speaker 4: He's a plus athlete, not a super athlete, but he's
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  Speaker 4: a plus athlete. He's just a good player. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: and the other kid who plays stranad he's been there
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  Speaker 4: for a couple of years. He's a long, athletic kid.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, not again, we're not talking about a top
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  Speaker 4: five linebacker in the league. But this kid's like six
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  Speaker 4: three two forty. You know, they've got a lot of
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  Speaker 4: length and a lot of plus athletes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just aod ah.
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  Speaker 2: I've been waiting for.
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  Speaker 1: That one oh day, right right, right right, So Greg,
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  Speaker 1: I would think that, I mean, I believe I would
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  Speaker 1: imagine every offensive coach or coordinator would tell you the
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  Speaker 1: goal every week is to be ahead of the sticks
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  Speaker 1: and to be on script. I would think when you're
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  Speaker 1: playing this Broncos pass rush and defense, which also will
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  Speaker 1: get to the secondary in a second, it is ultra
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  Speaker 1: important for an Eagles offensive line that is sort of
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  Speaker 1: struggling right now in a run game, that's trying to
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  Speaker 1: find itself, just to be ahead of the sticks to
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  Speaker 1: begin with, and then if you can, then maybe you
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  Speaker 1: can get some of your no huddle going. But I
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  Speaker 1: would think that primary objective is to get positive plays
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  Speaker 1: as much an early as.
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  Speaker 4: Possible, of course, and that's always the objective, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: still they're still a running team. For instance, through four games,
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  Speaker 4: Saquon Barkley has the most first down carries in the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: He's carried the ball fifty times on first down, but
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  Speaker 4: he's averaging three point one yards per rush, which is
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  Speaker 4: not good enough. Now we've discussed the reasons why we
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  Speaker 4: don't need to get into all that. Again, we've done that.
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  Speaker 4: We're trying to look ahead. Now that's not going to
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  Speaker 4: be good enough. Now again, this could be a game
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  Speaker 4: where you see them get Hurts more involved in the
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  Speaker 4: design run game, because you have a lot of juice
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  Speaker 4: off the edge and a lot of reactive juice. You know,
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  Speaker 4: these guys fire, you know, so Benito's a very quick athlete,
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  Speaker 4: Cooper's a quick athlete. Jonas Alice joanah Alis is a
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  Speaker 4: very reactive player. You know, he sees it and goes.
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  Speaker 4: So maybe one way to help the run game is
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  Speaker 4: to bring in some more zone read concepts and you know,
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  Speaker 4: things where you try to use their speed and their
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  Speaker 4: reactive ability against them. Again, I don't know if they'll
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  Speaker 4: do that. It was just a thought I had and
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  Speaker 4: thinking about this game.
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  Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I thought, just watching tape
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  Speaker 1: on them, Greg and because they go up against Mahomes
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  Speaker 1: and Herbert and this year they had to face Daniel Jones,
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  Speaker 1: and I watched a lot of their third down snaps
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  Speaker 1: that the Broncos are pretty disciplined in how they watch
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  Speaker 1: these quarterbacks and then they'll stunt over them across the
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  Speaker 1: middle while the edges.
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  Speaker 4: Come wid Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I think that's going to pose a
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  Speaker 1: challenge for Herz, who likes to then take advantage when
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  Speaker 1: those rushers get north to get but they're gonna it.
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  Speaker 1: Seems like their goal is to try to keep guys
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  Speaker 1: like him from doing that and still collapsing the pocket
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  Speaker 1: around him.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think most teams think that way. It's
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  Speaker 4: how you can execute it. But but yeah, this is
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  Speaker 4: a tough defense to play against. I mean, they've got length,
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  Speaker 4: they've got speed, they're good players. And we haven't even
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  Speaker 4: spoken about the back end too, which is pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, we're getting there, so let's let's let's get there.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go. But we'll get to certain in a minute.
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  Speaker 3: But a guy that I like for the draft and
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  Speaker 3: some teams, Greg told me Riley Moss. You know what,
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  Speaker 3: he's high hipped, he's got to play safe. You're not
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  Speaker 3: sure if he's going to make it as a corner. Well,
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  Speaker 3: you've seen his tape. How's how's Riley Moss been playing
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  Speaker 3: out of Iowa at corner?
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  Speaker 4: Well, first of all. I thought he was a corner
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  Speaker 4: coming out of college and met Bowen and I had
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  Speaker 4: numerous conversations about him because he's obviously very close to
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  Speaker 4: the Iowa program and I thought, given his size, his speed,
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  Speaker 4: his length, that he could play corner in this league.
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  Speaker 4: And obviously he can. He's the starting corner on a
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  Speaker 4: good defense. So their corners are really good. You know.
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  Speaker 4: The question is will Certan, who more often than not
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  Speaker 4: does line up over quality receivers. I mean, for instance,
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  Speaker 4: he lined up over Clinton Johnston pretty much every snap,
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  Speaker 4: So will he line up over aj I would think yes,
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  Speaker 4: But again we don't know the answer to that, but
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  Speaker 4: I would think yes. The other interesting thing about their
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  Speaker 4: defense on the back end is Jday Baron has not
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  Speaker 4: been able to beat at Jawan McMillan is the slot
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  Speaker 4: corner Jaday barn plays in their dying. He does not
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  Speaker 4: play in their nickel, so Jaquan Millan has fended him
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  Speaker 4: off up to this point in time. And McMillan's actually
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  Speaker 4: a pretty good slot. He's been their starter for a
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  Speaker 4: couple of years and he's been a really good slot
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  Speaker 4: and their safety position. I remember when he was with
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  Speaker 4: Miami maybe two three years ago, and Vicnoe will know
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  Speaker 4: him very well. Brandon Jones is a very good football player,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, and he's just one of those guys. Again,
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: not a lot of people know about him. He's a
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: really good player. And they signed Hufanga from the Niners
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: and he's a physical, tough kid. I mean, they're really
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: good on the back end. They're really good on the
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: back it's just a it's a good defense. Yeah.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Vince Joseph is surprising to me, well not surprising, but
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: he's one of the few guys I guess who has
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: elite pass rush and very elite you know, corner but
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: still blitzes at a thirty percent or more rate, which normally,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: if you think you've got guys who can cover and
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: guys who can rush, you don't have to. You know,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Vic could never do that because there's a phil he
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: needs to. But it just seems like that's Vin. Well,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: we know that that's Vince Joseph's identity and what he likes.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: He's done that. But you know, it's funny because like
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: I said, there have been games, I mean when they
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: played the Colts, they blitzed something like seventy percent of
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: the snatch. I mean it was crazy. But they haven't
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: done that obviously every game. They're not going to do
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: that every game. But he will bring it, you know,
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: and he obviously feels comfortable with his corners on the
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: back end. I mean certain is top one or top two,
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: you know, whatever your point of view is, Moss is
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: he'll give up some plays. Moss, but he's a quality
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: NFL corner. And you know the other thing he's pretty
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: good at is uh And more and more teams do this.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: I see it all the time. I think it's becoming
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: just the way teams play defense is a late coverage
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: rotation a lot of because what a lot of teams
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: like to do because it impacts your protection, is they
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: line up with six or seven guys on the ball
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: and you've got to account for them and your protection
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: because you can't guess. So then what happens is they
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: drop people out and you get a lot of late
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: coverage rotation and they make the quarterback have to decipher
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: that on his drop.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: Right, Greg, here's the question I have. We're speaking so
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: globally about this defense. How do you beat them? Oh?
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, look, you know, no defense is not beatable.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: I mean, if you can control their pass rush, you know,
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: which you can. I mean the Eagles theoretically do have
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: a good old line. It hasn't been up to the
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: same standard as the last two three years. Riley Moss.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: Teams do go after and there have been times when
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: they've beaten him the last year or so. So you know, look,
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: I don't want to make it sound like you know,
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: nothing is one hundred percent in this league, as you know.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, teams have bad games. It's just the way
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: it goes because they got to attack. They got to attack, yeah,
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: but you got to protect. And it's just it's got
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: good players at all three levels. I mean, they're a
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: good defense.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: I Mean, one thing that's sort of glaringly evident about
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: how to move the ball against the Bronco so far
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: is that Jonathan Taylor, who's an excellent running back at
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty five rushing yards against them. And
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I think if you combine what Hampton did with Najie
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Harris before he got hurt, they were running the ball
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: fairly well too.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: They ran for overall hundred yards.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: So if there's going to be a week that the
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Eagles need to get Saquon Barkley going, it would imaginably
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: be this week.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: This game.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think they want to get him going,
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: no matter who they're playing against, because that's sort of
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: foundational to who they are. We discussed, of course last week,
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: that it's just so odd, you know, what their offensive
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: situation is right now. And of course people can will
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: always say, well, it doesn't matter there four and oh
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: and that's all that matters. Sure, and you know you'd
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: rather be four and oh than one in three given
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: the way your your offense is playing. But no one's
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: happy about the way their offense is playing. I mean,
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: come on, let's be realistic here. You know you can't
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: just dismiss it because they're four and oh and act
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: like it's all's wonderful, you know, in in Eagleville, because
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: it's not right.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out on the limb guys and say
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: that I don't think one hundred and thirty eight passing
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: yards is going to cut it in this game unless
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: they get a huge monster runs crazy.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Right, let me ask you one question, Jday Baron right now,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: I know some teams, Hey, he's small, I know he's
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: a good player. Is he a nickel or is he
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: a corner?
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: He's a nick?
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: How did you see him? Greg because a nickel? Oh?
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: Wow, I saw him as a nick. Now he played
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: nickel two years ago at Texas, and his last year
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: at Texas they brought him he played mostly outside. I
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: saw him as a nickel, and I think he'll still
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: be a very good player. I liked you, Dave Baron
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: a lot. But McMillan, you know, he's one of those small,
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: feisty guys. And clearly you know, look, we're not at practice,
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: we're not in the meetings. Maybe there's some week where
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden it changes and Barron is this
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: is the slot corner. Maybe it's this week. We don't
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: know the answer to that. But up until now, which
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: is all we have on tape, is McMillan is the
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: slot corner and barn plays in the dime.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: All right, good stuff.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: As we transition to the other sides, I will say
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I'll leave it with this. I think that under the
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: spotlight this week, Jurgens, Dickerson and Barkley in past protection,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: if you know they've we've talked about them, they've been
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: a little shoddy, all three at times in pass pro
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: and it sounds like the way the Broncos want to
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: play defense and line up multiple guys over them and
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: maybe for some five out situations or some situations where
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: you're blocking somebody who's not coming. I think it's gonna
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: be really important for the O line and the running
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: backs to be in communication and pick up the correct
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: rushers when they're coming.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: Well, and they're also look, they're gonna they watch tape,
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: so you know what they're going to know that sometimes
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: Barkley has issues in past pro YEA, and they're gonna
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: make him have to protect. You can do that. You
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: can always set up your rush because coaches understand how
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: teams protect. You know this is this is not a newsflash.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Coaches understand that, so you can always make the back
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: have to protect.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I saw a really interesting rep where that Joseph had
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: six guys at the line and he rushed maybe seven,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: he rushed six, but Benito wasn't one, and he decked
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: the running back. You know, he kind of almost chipped
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: the running back right, throw him off off the range.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: And that's exactly where the QB wanted to go because
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: he had everybody coming at him. So definitely, look as
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: we talk to the listeners and viewers here, definitely look
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: for some interesting things on defense that you may not
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: typically or ordinarily see from week to week.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Bye, let's transition.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about the Eagles defense against this Broncos offense.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: One final point. Sure, I think when you play Jalen
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Hurts and teams study this. They study how quarterbacks who
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: like to scramble, how they scramble. You know, where do
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: they go? Some guys run up the middle. Lamar to
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: run up the middle. You know, they study that because
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: what teams often do is they know they can make
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: the quarterback move, but they want to then be in
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: position knowing how he likes to move. Mm hm, you
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: follow what I'm saying, absolutely, yeah, because you don't want
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: to just make a move and then he runs for
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: twenty yards. So now, again it doesn't always work because
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: quarterbacks then move are usually good at it. But you
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: want to be in a position that if you make
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: him move, you then are in a position to respond
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: to how he moves.
• 22:30
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  Speaker 1: and support the show. All Right, this Eagles defense against
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: a Broncos offense that much like the Eagles offense. It's
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: been a little inconsistent this year. Let's start with bo Nicks,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: your two of the system here. What do you see
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: on tape from both this year?
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: I think he's struggled a lot early and he's gradually
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: getting better. I thought that early in the season, first
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: two games in particular, I thought he was hesitant in
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: the pocket when the picture was cloudy. I thought at
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: times he had almost panic reactions to pressure. There were
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: times I almost thought he invented pressure, breaking down when
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: there were nobodies around him, that he had happy feet,
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: and he missed a lot of you know what we
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: would call layup throws. He started to get better week three,
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: and then I thought this week he was the best
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: he's been up to this point. But early in those
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: first two games, to use Adam's favorite phrase, he was
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: a tough watch. But he's got shirt. Yeah, he's literally
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: gotten better.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Let me ask his question, Greg so This is another guy.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: We talked about Riley Moss. The perception come out of
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Iowa and he's beaten the perceptions. Bonix is another guy. Actually,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: even it was stronger that there was. There's not a
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: lot of love for him. The scouting community talk about
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: guys who actually scouted him on the road, you know,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: they bring up what happened at another was at Auburn.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: When he left Auburn after three years, he was probably
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: a non draftable player.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: That's my point, and I think that was probably part
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: of it. But a lot of guys had him again
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: third round. Sean Payton, who had a lot of say
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: in it, loved him. That was this guy for the draft.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Let's look at his college tape versus his protape BONEX,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: what are your thoughts there?
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: Well, I will tell you this. His two years at
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Oregon were very very good. I mean, and his last
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: year in particular. And this is his second year in
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: the league, right, So he was in the twenty twenty
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: fourth draft, correct, yep. So just to refresh, you know,
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: because you know, this is what I do. Here's what
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: I on bon Knicks my last and of course I do.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: I try to do all the top quarterbacks before I
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: even get to the combine, and you know, at the
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: end of February, because obviously I do radio shows there
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: and all I get asked about is the quarterbacks. So
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: the last lion I type in his transition, You guys,
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: now I do this, I do strength the weaknesses in
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: a transition. My last line was I could see a
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: coach like Sean Payton believing that Nicks could run his
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: offense effectively with the timing and earthm element, that it's
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: foundational and the fact that power arm strength is not
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: a prerequisite. And by the way, he's showing a better
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: arm than I even thought. But I really thought that
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: he would fit a Sean Payton offense. And as I said,
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: I wrote that in February before the combat, I didn't
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: know Sean Payton was going to draft them, but you know,
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: and I got a chance to talk to Bo Nicks
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: leading up to the draft, and he did something that
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: is rarely ever done by college quarterbacks the day these days.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: He controlled and called the protections. And I guarantee that
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: that really endeared him to Sean Peyton, because you know,
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: college quarterbacks don't deal with protections. There's a lot of
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: NFL quarterbacks now that don't deal with protections. That's all.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: That's a different conversation for another time. But but Nix
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: was incredibly intelligent and incredibly aware, and you know, and
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: he's a coach's son. You know, he gets it, you know,
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: and and he you know, ultimately, what do coaches want?
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: They want an executor and a distributor. They love a
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: guy to have some mobility, which Nicks clearly has. So
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: he fits what pretty much every coach would want. You know.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: The question about and more Adam was probably maybe people
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: didn't think he was gifted enough. I tell you what
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: I thought last year as a rookie. He made some
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: throws because arm strength is not throwing a post. Arm
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: strength is throwing a deep dig, you know, between people.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: And he threw a couple of balls last year where
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: I just went, Wow, his arm is better than I thought.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: It was interesting.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the offensive line.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: Then.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: This Broncos offensive li like touted as being pretty good.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: Do you see it?
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the same way I think.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: I think mcglinchy is a weak spot in terms of
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: one on one pass pro But again they don't necessarily
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: do a ton of that. But you know, if you
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: get them at third and nine or third and twelve,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: they'll they'll do that because Sean Payton wants to get
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: five out. So you know, I've always thought, even going
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: back to a San Francisco days, and even though he
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: was a top ten pick, that that mcglinchy was in
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: one on one pass pro. I think he's can be
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: a liability.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: So he'll see he'll he'll see let's see the left
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: defensive end edge of the Eagles, so.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: He'll probably see j Zadarius Smith.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Although I thought Smith has mostly been lining up over
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: on the right side over left tackle.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: He lined up at left defensive left age a number
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: of times last week.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: I know that right now it's going to bring out
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: in terms of their their running game. You just brought
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: up the offensive line, which is important, by the way.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah. JK.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Dobbins is what a great story acl Achilles Levi chargers
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: and rushing last year. How's it worked out for him?
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: At RJ. Harvey So far from your TAM's done.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: I think Dobbins is looking good. He's I think he's
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: a patient runner. I think he's got really good vision.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: I think he does a great job of reading what
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: I call gap fluidity because the gaps changed when the
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: ball snapped. I think he has a really good sense
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: of defensive flow. He's kind of a pace and tempo runner.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Keep in mind, also, guys, that they've played the most
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: snaps with six offensive linemen of any team in the
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: league through four weeks, so they're willing to line up
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: and run the football with big people.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Harvey didn't.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: I think he's sort of been integrated into the offense
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: more over the last week or two, right.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was tough to tell because last
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: week they got ahead, you know, late in the game,
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: and I'm sure at that point they're going to give
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: Harvey more carries. But Harvey is an interesting guy too.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: Harvey's got some serious juice now, yeah, really quick. So
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, if the game is close
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: and kind of a normal game, I can't tell you
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: how much they'll use both guys. I would say Dobbins
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: is clearly their their number one back, but you know,
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: they may play Harvey a lot. I don't know the
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: answer to that. But he's Harvey is. He's a fascinating guy.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: I really liked his tape a lot.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: And Jeff always remember Sean Payton, his big balance guy.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: He will run the football. Yeah, he's a really good
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: play caller, design and all that, but he's committed to
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: running the football. That's been sort of what his foundation
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: has been, quite frankly to a certain extent.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, seems committed to giving a lot of different guys
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of carries. I mean, this year, finally it's
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: down to Dobbins and now Harvey. But my gosh, has
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: he gone through running backs over the last.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Number Javonte Williams. He saw that he was never right
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: with the knee injury, right, he went for it. He
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: kept rotating gospel estimate by.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean everybody, he's just throwing guy, and
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: each week it would be a different leading rusher. So
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's looking for something that wasn't there.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: But now he's got some. You know, Dobbins, your hope
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: stays healthy. It seems like a nice thunder and lightning combo.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Dobbins can hitch you and Harvey can catch the ball.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: And where the one other thing? Just to make a point.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Every once in a while, they line up in what
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: we call oh one personnel, meaning they have one tight
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: end and four wide receivers. They scored a touchdown on
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: it last week to Courtland Sutton or the end of
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: the first half if you saw the game Monday night,
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: you know they hit him on the steam ball, you know,
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: so that you know Seawn's always willing to do those
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: kinds of things. You know, you have to be aware,
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: you know. Look, that's what coaches, defensive coaches look at.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: They're aware of these things, you know, and then you
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: have to if you have to have a plan, like
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: when they when they threw that touchdown to Sutton on
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: you know, at the end of the first half against
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: Cincinnati had of oh one personnel, they were in an
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: empty set, you know, I mean, you have to understand
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: what you're going to get from different personnel packages.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: That's a great point because and and why you can
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: maybe expect to see that against the Eagles, who have
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: all sorts of depth issues. Right now, a corner if
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: you go, oh one personnel and Vic says, well, I
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: got a match that with Dime. Now you're talking about
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: getting Mac McWilliams and another defensive back on the field,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: and I don't know who.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: Or or if you put that out there early in
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: the game. Jeff and he doesn't match it with Dime,
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: then you're pretty much certain you're gonna get zoned because
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: there's you're not gonna match up, you know, and unless
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: you feel Johanan Campbell can line up and play a
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: wide out, I mean, you know you don't want if
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: you're gonna find out. The point is you're gonna find out.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it could be Jeff, honestly on your point.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: We'll get to the issue with Ringo and George Jackson
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: a second, but this is something not just this game
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: going forward before the trade deadline comes, they're gonna have
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: to make a decision because with Bennett's injury another four Oh,
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: but you got you gotta be proactive.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: This this is Jackson. Is he good to go this week?
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's cleared. Yeah, he's good to go.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: He'll he'll be this daughter. Well.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: But but the question is is it good enough? That's
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: why I'm bringing up it's not been good enough. Jackson
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: has not played it particularly Hi level on bringa. Okay,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: he didn't throw out them much off off when he
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: wasn't in cut, when he wasn't had the ball wasn't
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: thrown and he looked fine. But you know what this
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: team's got there. We're gonna get into it right now, Jeff.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: They're really deep at receiver. Prey Frankin run, Mims could run.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: I bet.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: I always love Sutton, Curt Sutton's a great player, I mean,
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: really good player. Pat Bryant was one of my favorite
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: series for the draft. I won't play a ton, but
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: he's got size. Jeff, this thing is no joking around.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: Pick. You know, there are some weeks he's played in,
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: some weeks he hasn't. I really like the kid coming
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: out from Illinois. Really good receiver, just off the speed,
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: you know, but a really good receiver, you know. You know,
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: Franklin is a speed guy, not you know, not a
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: big guy. I mean, we'll see, I mean, you know.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: And Marvin Mims is kind of the wild card, although
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: he's lined up amazingly enough this year, much more on
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: the outside than in the slot, which would surprise me
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: when I you know, do watching their tape for four
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: games because he but he is kind of the movement guy.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: So again, he's a guy that will use in motion
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: a lot.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah you know, I think this situation once again begs
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: for vict to match up Quinnon Mitchell against Courtland Sutton,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: who is clearly I would say head and shoulders above
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: the red.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: I mean he's predominantly predominantly their boundary acts now, not
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: one hundred percent of the time, so doesn't play that way. Hey,
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: there are times he puts Sutton in the inside slot
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: in trips and he uses him almost the way he
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: used Marcus Colston with the Saints. You know, big body
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: working the middle of the field. But he is their
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: their predominant boundary ax. So it would not surprise me
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: at all if Quinyon Mitchell matches him.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Jeff, And don't forget about Evan Ingram, who could run.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: I know against a lot, he could run. There's a
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: reason why they brought him in. So this is challenging, man,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: This is this is gonna be fascining to see what
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Peyton does.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: You got to get pressure on Nicks because he does
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: have that tendency, like I said, to get a little
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: frenetic at times, and you got to make him feel
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: that there's going to be pressure.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Where do you see the advantage for the Eagles in
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: the trenches here, Greg, would it be overright tackle McGlinchey
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: with either Zadar a Smith or somebody else or inside.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: More, the right guard is Quinn Miners, and that's where
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: Carter will line up, you know, ninety five percent of
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: the time, you know, so you'd like to be able
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: to win there. You know, I think their O line
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: is solid, you know, it's it's it's a good group,
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: you know. I think the center and the right guard
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: and well basically inside is probably where you I think
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: you and I mentioned McGlinchey. Are they beatable yet? It's
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: a it's a solid group, but they're not unbeatable. Bowles
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: is a good player, you know, he usually doesn't give
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: up much in pass pro.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: It's a good match.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: It's a good clash of personnel, of talent, of styles.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Would you say, because I know that you said that
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Knicks a little shaky beginning, but in general, are they
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: a take what the defense gives type of offense? Are
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: they patient enough to work it down the field against
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Vick's usual zone defense or do you see him do
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: you see Nick sort of try to force it?
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: No, he's not necessarily a force down the field guy. No,
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: his issue is not that. His issue is he gets
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: a little for netic. But the other thing to keep
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: in mind is he can run for first downs he's
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: a much better athlete than you know, a lot of
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: people even thought when he came out, and he you know,
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: that's the thing. He can run for first downs and
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: you know, we know how much that matters when quarterbacks
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: can do that, particularly on third down.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Jeff, it's interesting he's had some high volume pass games
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: or games, but yet very little like first game against Tennessee.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: I know it's game one forty tenths, but only one
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: seventy six. It's really odd. Yeah, on sometimes he sometimes
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: he's just going to take what's underneath him and just
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: get rid of the football. But this is, this is, Jeff,
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: this is I know that Denver's two and two, we're
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: not We could argue whether they should be two and two,
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: three and one or four. No, but this is a
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: talented team that is probably better than the record.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Well, and I also see these teams as very similar
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: and where they're built, with their strengths, what they do.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I would say that Eagles probrobably when they're at their best,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: they're a little more explosive offensively because they have great
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: receivers compared to the Broncos have one very good receiver,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: but the quarterback for the Broncos can hurt you. As
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Greg just mentioned, he can get out of pressure and
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: run and scramble in the greens.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: Even though the Broncos even Sutton, even though Sutton would
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: probably be considered clearly the most consistent receiver, both Franklin
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: and Mims can run. Yeah, that's where you got to
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: be a little careful because you know, you know, we
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: talk about a Dori Jackson. I mean, you gotta be
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: you gotta be a little careful here. You know, they
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: might not be high volume targets, but they can run.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Remember Mims was like supposedly need the lead deep for
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: a coming out of Oklahoma. And remember Franklin played with
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: bow knicks at Argon. So this is this is interesting, Mata.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: We're giving a lot of platitudes here for the Denver
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: because they have a lot of talent. But Jeff, you're
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: alluding to it. If the Eagles Shoul could just put
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: it together some of some consistency, this could be a
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: very interesting matchup because Jeff, Greg just talked about it
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: like the Broncos have a beatable offensive line. I mean,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: it's it's fine. Yeah, there's some matchups that the Egos
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: are going to win. They just have to exploit them.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: And if you get Nick's uncomfortable, Jeff, you know, he'll
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: throw some picks too, if you get them uncomfortable. I
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: mean that's you know, I don't want to make it
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: seem just like we talk about their defense like, oh
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: my god, this team's you know, they're they're shooting for
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: the Super Bowl.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course not.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: But they may not. They may be the third best
• 39:19
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• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Solid roster with good players. I mean, you know that's
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: what they are.
• 39:25
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• 39:28
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  Speaker 4: Who's winning?
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  Speaker 2: Got MVP?
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: I have it as a very tight game. I've got
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: the Broncos seventeen the Eagles twenty. You love how I
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: do that? I see the Eagles winning it at home.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: I don't see them lose some way somehow, you know,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: special teams. Jake Elliott's been phenomenal. Braid man, it's been phenomenal.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: I know we talk. We don't talk a lot about that.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Who's going to be my MVP? Greg gave me a
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: little bit of a hint. I may I thought about
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: it a little bit. Maybe the interior of their defensive
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: line could I don't know shocked the world, but I
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: know Jalen Carter's dealing with something. But I'm gonna pick
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: number ninety a guy that is blossomed. That's Jordan Davis.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: It's not a guy we would ever think of. He's
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: coming on, He's for the most part part not playing
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: high up. He's getting better leverage. There's something about Jordan
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Davis that you got to feel good about because, well,
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: he's maturing. You know, I'm gonna give it to him.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: Let's see what happens. And of course it's not a big
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: sack guy. People, So he didn't have a suck. How
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: could you say that he has had a sack. But
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: I get it. But it's everything else that he's doing.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: All right, good stuff, Greg, I bring it to you.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna go Eagles three, Broncos two, with
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: Duran getting the safe ron A.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: They're gonna play the music.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: This game is a really hard one because you know,
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: I think we all feel that there could be any
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: game at any time where Barkley breaks out, you know,
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: and even where Hurts throws for you know, not three
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: fifty because they don't play like that, but two fifty,
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: and I you know, this is maybe not the defense.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: You think that that's gonna happen, of course, Barkley. Could
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: you know, you can break a long run against any
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: even the best defense. You can hit a seam and
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: break a long run.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Jathan Taylor got him badly in Week two though, Yeah, you.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: Know, and he had a long run in that game.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: I think he had a sixty plus yard run in
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: that game, if memory sus me correctly, right, you know.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: I just again, I try not to be well there
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: at home, so they're going to win. But I do
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: think that that matters, particularly in Philly. And you know,
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: I'm kind of with Adham. I mean, I don't see
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: this as being a high scoring affair. I was almost
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: going to pick a very similar score, you know.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: So.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: I'll just change it a little. I'll go nineteen sixteen,
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: and I'm going to pick the Eagles, you know, I
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: just I just there's something about playing at home. You know,
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: that just matters in Philly. Yeah, you know, But but
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Offensively, I'm just waiting, and maybe I'll
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: be waiting for five more weeks. I don't know.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Well, the score like that, I would think your player
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: of the game might be on defense.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know this is gonna be I guess one
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: of you guys picked him before, but I believe it
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: or not, I'm gonna pick queny On Mitchell. I'm just
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: I think he's playing at such a high level and
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: I think he's going to match up to Sutton. And
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm not saying Sutton's gonna have no catches,
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: but you know he is their main guy. So I'm
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: gonna pick queny On Mitchell.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: All right, we are all This is maybe the first
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: time in the history of the Inside the Birds pre
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: game show all three of us are picking a defensive
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: player to be the game MVP. I don't really like
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: the vibe from the Eagles offense and with aj Brown
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: stuff all week, and I think they're walking into a
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: little bit of a defensive buzzsaw against this Broncos team
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: that I think will have a very good plan for
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: how to keep jailing in the pocket and limit a
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: lot of those backbreaking runs. He even had one last
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: week for twenty eight yards. So when that happens and
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: he doesn't get that run element, the Eagles can be
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: in trouble. And I don't think that they're a worse
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: team than the Broncos, but it's any given Sunday and
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: how you match up that weekend. And I think the
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Broncos are going to win twenty six to sixteen. And
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I think Nick Bonito is going to be as he
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: lines up over Jordan Mylotta, the player of the game.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: I think he's going to cause a lot of havoc opponent.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, you're taking the opponent guy, Okay.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Yep, Well, I'm picking the Broncos to win, so.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: I'm you're picking the guy from the other team.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: Wow. And probably should have picked the field goal kick
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: or picking a nineteen sixteen score, because yeah, get four
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: field goals.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, on like a seventy two yarder because everybody's making
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: field goals right right, right right, all right? Great stuff.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Love it. That's about as good of a thorough breakdown
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: as you can ever get on the Eagles versus the Broncos.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: And now it's them to them to play the game.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: That's going to do it for Inside the Birds pregame
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: show for Great Cosell and Adam Kaplan.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: I'm Jeff Mosher. Enjoy your football watching.