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Brothers, Don’t Fight Flesh Tanks with Peashooter Regulations | John Piper · Reformed Thinking

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Welcome friend to the Deep Dive. I'm really glad you could join
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us today. Our goal here is wow, pretty
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straightforward. We gather up sources, articles,
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research, maybe some personal notes, and we pull out the most
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valuable stuff. Think of it like a shortcut,
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maybe a way to get well informed with hopefully some interesting
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angles and maybe a bit of humor along the way.
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And today we're getting into something really crucial, but
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often kind of misunderstood in Christian life and church
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practice. We're talking about legalism.
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It sounds maybe a bit academic, but it really touches on
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personal liberty, how we structure our church covenants.
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It's quite practical. Yeah, it is.
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Our main source material today comes from John Piper's
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writings, especially his book Brothers, We Are Not
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Professionals, A Plea to Pastors for radical Ministry, but also
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some other related notes and bits.
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We're hoping that as we talk through this, we can all get a
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clearer picture of what legalism actually is.
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And you know why it matters for every single believer.
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You'll see how legalism, sometimes in really subtle ways,
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can actually get in the way of real spiritual growth.
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We want to look at how a biblical viewpoint, especially
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thinking about the book of Colossians, offers a pathway to,
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well, genuine freedom and purity that's really rooted in Christ.
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It's about what truly counts, I thought in the stage, the
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controversy and a pastor's personal stand.
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OK, so let's dive in. Let's go back in time a bit to a
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specific situation John Piper faced early on.
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He mentions this as a pretty significant early challenge for
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him. Over 30 years ago when he
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started at Bethlehem Baptist Church, there was already this
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ongoing discussion and the topic was this should being a total
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abstainer from alcohol be a requirement for church
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membership? This wasn't just a small thing,
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it was a big question needing careful thought.
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Right, and it helps to understand how many churches,
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particularly those with a congregational governance
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structure, operate. We usually have, you know, 2
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main things for membership. An affirmation of faith the core
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believes everyone agrees on, and then a church covenant.
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This spells out the expectations for how members live together,
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their conduct as a community. Exactly.
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And both of these, the affirmation and the covenant,
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often act as the doorway to membership.
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You agree with the beliefs you commit to the shared life
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outlined in the covenant. It's about accountability
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together. And that's where this specific
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alcohol question became a focal point.
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Many church covenants socially, maybe in certain Baptist circles
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or traditions, had a line saying something like this.
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We agreed to abstain from the use in the sale of intoxicating
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liquors as a beverage. Seems clear enough on the
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surface, right? Maybe even well-intentioned.
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Sure, seems straightforward. But think about what that
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actually means in practice. Let's say someone comes along.
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They genuinely trust Jesus as Lord and Savior.
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They want to live under his Lordship.
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They've been baptized. They agree wholeheartedly with
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the church's statement of faith. By all biblical standards,
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they're a Christian part of the family.
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But maybe they occasionally have a glass of wine with dinner, or,
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you know, with family over the holidays.
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That single clause in the covenant would mean they
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couldn't join that specific church.
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They'd be excluded just for that one choice, which, well,
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Scripture doesn't outright forbid.
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It makes you wonder, are we building fences where Christ
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hasn't? And this is where a really vital
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distinction comes in, one Piper himself is very careful about.
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It's easy to miss this nuance. Piper himself personally
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practices total abstinence from alcohol.
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He says he thinks it's a wise way to Live Today.
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Biblically defensible for him. So his own life aligns with the
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rule they were debating. He wasn't arguing from a
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position of wanting personal freedom to drink.
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OK, that's interesting. Yeah, but here's the key point
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Piper saw requiring total abstinence for church membership
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as, and this is his term, legalistic exclusivism.
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He argues that kind of requirement actually comes under
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the judgement of Scripture, what he calls the Apostolic word.
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So the clear line he draws between a personal conviction,
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what someone chooses for themselves as wise, and imposing
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that choice as a rule for everyone else to belong to the
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Church. That makes sense.
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One is personal discipline, the other is a condition for
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fellowship. Precisely.
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And for you listening, this isn't just some historical
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debate about alcohol rules. It's much bigger than that.
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It really gets to the heart of discerning what's a valid basis
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for belonging, Belonging to God's universal family and
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belonging to our local church gatherings.
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Are our membership expectations truly rooted in Christ and what
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the New Testament clearly teaches?
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Or have we added human conditions even if we meant
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well? That's the core issue we're
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digging into. Two unpacking legalism.
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It's two faces in common root. OK, building on that, let's try
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to define legalism a bit more clearly.
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It's funny, the actual word legalism isn't in the New
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Testament, but the concept, the underlying idea definitely is.
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Piper helps by identifying well 2 main ways it tends to show.
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Up right, the first one he talks about is legalism as a kind of
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self reliant morality. The goal is earning God's favor
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or maybe just feeling good about oneself.
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So it looks like ethical behavior, doing good things, but
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the key is it's done in one's own strength.
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There's no reliance on God's grace, his help through Christ.
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It's morality that doesn't spring from faith.
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Can you give an example of that? Well, Piper points to moral
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people, say in the Western world, they might have a strong
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ethical code, maybe inherited from the culture, that sort of
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Judeo-christian background. But that outward morality
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doesn't necessarily come from a place of humble dependence on
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God's enabling power through Christ.
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It's just what they do because they think they can on their own
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steam. OK, I see it's morality without
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the reliance on grace. Exactly, and here's a point
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Piper makes that really makes you think the legalists morality
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can actually serve the same root purpose as say an antinomians
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rejection of law or a progressives challenging of
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traditional morals. The common thread.
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It's an expression of self-reliance, self assertion,
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independence from God. Wow.
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OK, so whether you're rigidly following rules or deliberately
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breaking them, the underlying motive could be the same,
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asserting your own independence. That's the idea he puts forward.
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He even draws a parallel between, say, a Pharisee
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meticulously tithing mint and dill and cumin, and maybe a
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modern student intentionally flouting social conventions.
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Both actions, he suggests, can be ways of saying I'm
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independent. I define myself and antinomian,
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just so we're clear, is someone who believes that grace means
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they're free from any moral obligation or law.
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Got it. And then he uses that parable
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from Luke 15, right? Yes, the elder brother and the
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prodigal son, he says. The moral legalist is like the
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elder brother in God's eyes. They're kind of Blood Brothers
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because both of them, in their own way, bypass God's mercy in
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Christ as the road to righteousness.
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The legalist uses good behavior to show independence.
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The prodigal uses wild living. Neither relies on God's grace.
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That's a powerful comparison and the outcome?
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Well, the sobering point is, unless there's a turn away from
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that path, a real repentance that trusts only in Christ, both
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can lead to tragically missing out on eternal life.
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So this first kind of legalism, the self reliant kind, is a
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danger we all need to watch out for every day.
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It's not just what we do, but why and in whose strength.
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OK, so that's the first face of legalism.
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What's the second? The second one ties directly
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back to that church membership issue we started with, Piper
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defines. This is setting up specific
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requirements for conduct that go beyond what Scripture actually
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teaches, and then making adherence to these extra rules a
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condition for joining a local church.
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This, he says, leads to unbiblical exclusivism.
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Right, because the church isn't like, say, a Country Club or a
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school. Exactly.
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Those institutions can set whatever arbitrary rules they
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want, but the Church belongs to Christ.
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He's the head and only he gets to set the entrance requirements
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for His body, his people. When we add our own rules on to
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that, we're overstepping. And the risk is excluding
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genuine believers. Yes, excluding Christians over
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disagreements on things the Bible doesn't command, even if
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those people genuinely want to live under Christ Lordship.
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It just builds walls where Christ intended fellowship.
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SO2 forms self reliant morality and adding human rules for
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membership. How do they relate?
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Piper connects them brilliantly. He shows they both spring from
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the same root unbelief. Unbelief.
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How so? Well, in the first case, self
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reliant morality, it's a kind of unbelief in God's work within
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you. It's a failure to trust that God
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is actually actively working in believers like Philippians 2.13
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says, to will and to work for his good pleasure.
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When you try to do it all yourself, you're basically not
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believing. God is powerfully present to
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help and guide you. Your confidence in his internal
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operation fades, so you try to compensate with your own effort.
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OK. And the second case, the Church
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rules. That comes from unbelief
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regarding others. It's a lack of confidence that
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God will reveal his will to other believers and incline them
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to follow it. As Paul suggests in Philippians
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3.15, instead of trusting God's Spirit to purify and build up
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the church, there's this temptation to impose external
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controls, human regulations. It's a subtle shift from grace
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to human management. I see.
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So it boils down to a lack of trust in God's active work, both
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in ourselves and in others. That's the core idea.
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When that confident reliance on God's sovereign act of operation
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weakens for your own life, for others lives, legalism tends to
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creep in as a kind of substitute.
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People try to shore things up with more moral effort, more
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human rules, and the danger is those very rules then become
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tools for our own sinful nature. Self-reliance.
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Ways of asserting independence from God's work instead of
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depending on it 3 The insidious nature of legalism.
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A more dangerous spiritual disease.
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OK, this next part is where things get well, maybe a bit
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provocative. Piper really challenges our
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usual perceptions of spiritual danger.
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He makes this claim that just stopped you in your tracks.
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Legalism, he says, is a more dangerous disease than
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alcoholism. Yeah, that's a strong statement,
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especially when we think about the obvious terrible damage
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alcoholism causes. Right, so why does he say that?
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Let's unpack his reasoning. First, think about how it looks
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on the outside. Alcoholism often leads to
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visible ruin, failure, dependence, legalism.
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It doesn't look like a disease. In fact, Piper points out, it
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often helps people succeed in the world.
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It looks like discipline, morality, having it all
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together. And then there's the
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self-sufficiency versus dependence angle.
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Alcoholism clearly creates dependence on the bottle, but
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legalism foster self-sufficiency.
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It makes people feel like they depend on no one.
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They rely on their own moral track record, their own efforts.
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That's a key difference. And ironically, legalism
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actually strengthens moral resolve, doesn't it?
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Whereas alcoholism destroys it. Exactly.
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The legalist often appears highly moral, very disciplined,
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maybe even pious. This outward show of strength
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can completely mask the deeper spiritual issue.
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It makes it really hard to spot, even for the person themselves.
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And the reception in church. That's another stark contrast
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Piper highlights. Alcoholics, he notes, often
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don't feel welcome in the church.
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They know their struggle goes against their faith.
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They might feel shame or judgement, but people leaning
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towards legalism, they often love to hear their morality
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extolled in church. They get positive reinforcement
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for their self achieved righteousness, which makes it
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even harder for the community to recognize and address the
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underlying problem. It's like it gets praised while
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the other struggle gets condemned, even though both
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might stem from a place disconnected from grace.
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That's a good way to put it. It highlights the spiritual
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deception involved. Remember 2nd Corinthians 11.14?
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Satan disguises himself as an Angel of light.
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Piper applies this. Satan keeps his deadliest
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diseases most sanitary. Think about that phrase.
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The worst spiritual problems often look clean, respectable,
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even religious. He says Satan clothes his
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captains in religious garments and puts his weapons in temples.
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Legalism fits that perfectly. It's a spiritual sickness
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wearing a mask of piety. So the danger lies in its
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camouflage. Precisely.
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And this leads Piper to a really sobering conclusion about where
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legalism ultimately takes people.
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He believes it's a literal understatement that legalism has
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brought more people to eternal ruin than alcohol has, even
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considering the massive devastation of alcoholism.
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Why? Because legalism suddenly guides
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people away from relying on God's mercy in Christ.
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They trust their own efforts, their rule keeping their
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churches extra standards instead of the sheer grace that actually
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says and sanctifies. Wow, that really puts it in
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perspective. It should.
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It should make all of us, you know, listening right now, much
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more vigilant. We need to examine our own
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hearts, our church practices. Are we truly resting in God's
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grace, His active operation for a righteousness?
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Or are we slipping, maybe subtly, into self-reliance even
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when it looks good on the outside?
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For the biblical grounding, Colossians 2.16 two or three as
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the compass. OK, so if legalism is this
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subtle and dangerous, where do we find the biblical clarity to
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navigate it? Piper points very clearly to one
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specific passage that guided him through that early controversy
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we mentioned. He says Colossians 2, verses 16
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through 23 was the key passage that gave him guidance at the
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beginning of his ministry. It seems really foundational for
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him. Absolutely.
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It's worth walking through the points Piper draws from this
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text because they speak so directly to this whole issue of
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human rules versus Christ centered freedom.
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He lays out about 5 key takeaways.
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OK, let's hear them. First, verse 16 let no one pass
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judgement on you and questions of food and drink.
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Pretty clear, right? What you eat or drink isn't in
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itself a basis for judging your standing with God or your place
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in his family. Now, Paul did address abuses
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like drunkenness in Corinth or eating idle meat if it caused a
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brother to stumble, but notice he didn't solve those problems
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by forbidding the food or drink itself.
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Right, he addressed the misuse or the lack of love.
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Exactly. He taught the principle of love,
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of not harming others, faith, not laying down absolute
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regulations about the things themselves.
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So, Piper argues, a church covenant demanding total
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abstinence as a condition of membership goes too far.
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It limits the principle of love and ignores this direct
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instruction from Paul. It imposes a specific rule where
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the Spirit should guide through broader principles.
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OK .1 don't judge based on food or drink.
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What's next? Second, verse 18 Let no one
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disqualify you insisting on asceticism and worship of
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angels. Seems the false teaching in
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Colisei involved adding things. Angel worship, yes, but also
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strict ascetic rules, probably about food and drink.
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These were presented as necessary for spiritual fullness
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or full acceptance. Paul says no, these rules are
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useless because all the fullness of deity dwells bodily in
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Christ. Those regulations are just
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shadows, not the reality. Sticking rigidly to them puffs
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people up with conceit. So adding human rules for
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spirituality is rejected, Yes. The application Piper draws is
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that man made rules like mandatory abstinence for
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membership are dismissed because everything we need for spiritual
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completeness is already in Christ.
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Those rules are just external shadows.
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Christ is the substance. Makes sense.
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What's the Third Point? Third, verse 19 points to the
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true source of life and growth, Christ Himself, Spiritual life,
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purity, growth. They don't come from visions or
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human regulations about what you consume.
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They come from holding fast to the head who is Christ.
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It's from Christ that the whole body is nourished and grows with
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a growth that is from God. So real spiritual health depends
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on actively clinging to Christ, staying connected to Him, not on
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external human designed exclusive regulations.
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Our life comes from Him, not from a rule keeping.
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So life is found in connection to Christ, not adherence to
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extra rules. OK, 4th. 4th Paul asks this
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really pointed question in verses 20 to 22.
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If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world,
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why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to
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regulations? Do not handle, do not taste, do
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not touch? Piper Reeves.
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This is saying if a church sets up these kinds of regulations
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about food and drink to judge or exclude people, it hasn't really
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grasped what dying with Christ means.
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It means being freed from these worldly human based principles.
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It's like going back to slavery after being set free.
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And this ties back to that idea of unbelief.
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Exactly, Piper connects it by saying these kinds of
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regulations often get introduced precisely when that joyful
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confidence in Christ's active operation starts to fade.
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It becomes an attempt to preserve outwardly by human
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rule, what Christ's work once created inwardly by faith and
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joy. Trying to legislate what faith
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isn't fully sustaining anymore. I see.
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And the last point finally, verse 23 addresses the ultimate
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effectiveness of these rules. These regulations have indeed an
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appearance of wisdom, promoting self-made religion and
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asceticism and severity of the body, but they are of no value
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in stopping the indulgence of the flesh, Piper acknowledges.
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Sure, requiring total abstinence might create an outward
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appearance of unity on alcohol. It might look wise.
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But in this is crucial doesn't actually create genuinely pure
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people who aren't living according to the flesh,
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according to their sinful nature.
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By imposing rules, the New Testament doesn't it fosters
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illegalism rooted in unbelief. Piper calls it a sign of faded
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active operation and joy and heart righteousness, things that
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Christ creates but human laws simply cannot preserve.
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Human rules just aren't powerful enough to deal with the real
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deep issue of sin, the practical implications for church
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covenants, a more radical alternative.
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OK, so taking that deep dive into Colossians 2, what does
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this mean practically, especially for things like
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church covenants? Piper uses this really vivid
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picture warning against trying to fight what he calls the
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Sherman tank of the flesh. You know that powerful force of
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self-reliance and sin within us with peashooter regulations.
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Yeah, it's a striking image, isn't it?
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It just captures the total inadequacy of our little human
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rules against the deep seated reality of our sinful nature.
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It really does. And he argues that even if these
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rules seem to work on the surface, maybe creating outward
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conformity, they ultimately fail in the real spiritual battle
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because laws, human rules, they just can't preserve that heart,
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righteousness, that interchange that only comes from Christ's
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active operation within us. Right, So if the Peashooter
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regulations don't work, what's the alternative?
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Piper proposes something he calls more radical and more
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biblically grounded for church covenants.
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He insists the only real defense against that Sherman tank comes
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from God. From God and not from ourselves
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is not just a nice phrase, it's the core strategy.
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And what does that defense look like in practice?
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It looks like being rooted and built up in Christ, being
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established in the faith, being strengthened with all active
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operation according to His glorious might.
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It means holding fast to the head, Christ, because that's
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where the whole body gets its nourishment and growth, a growth
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that is from God. The focus shifts entirely away
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from our rule keeping to His divine work in US.
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So it's about connection to Christ's reliance on his
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strength. Exactly.
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Therefore, Piper argues, what the church really needs is not
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front end regulations to try to keep ourselves pure.
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That's the wrong approach. Instead, the call is to preach
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clearly, pray earnestly and truly believe that external
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things circumcision or uncircumcision, teetotalism or
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social drinking, even the outward appearance of legalism
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or the struggle with alcoholism, these things don't avail with
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God what matters, only a new heart.
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That internal transformation is everything.
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OK, so how does that translate into the actual wording of a
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church covenant, specifically regarding that abstinence
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clause? Well, instead of the old phrase
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about abstaining from intoxicating liquors as a
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beverage, Piper suggests this wording.
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We engage to abstain from all drugs, food, drink and practices
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which bring unwarranted harm to the body or jeopardize our own
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or another's faith. Unwarranted harm to the body or
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jeopardize faith? That sounds much broader.
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It is, and that's why he argues it's actually more radical and
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provides biblical attitude for the freedom of conscience in
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Christ. Let's unpack why it's different.
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OK, first, it shifts from a specific narrow rule about 1
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substance, alcohol, to a broad principle based commitment that
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covers many areas of life. It's about the underlying
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biblical idea of avoiding harm and protecting faith.
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So it's more comprehensive, yes. Second, because it focuses on
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those underlying principles. Avoiding harm, protecting faith.
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It's a more solid biblical foundation than just picking out
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one specific prohibition that isn't universal in Scripture.
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It encourages thinking through the principles in various
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situations. Got it.
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What else? 3rd and this is key, it respects
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individual conscience where scripture doesn't give a
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specific command. Remember Colossians 2.16 let no
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one pass judgement on you and questions of food and drink.
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This wording allows for that freedom.
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It trusts believers, guided by the Spirit, to apply the
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principles of love and protecting faith in their own
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context, rather than imposing a single human rule that might
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violate someone's freedom in Christ.
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It assumes conviction, not just compliance.
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That feels much more aligned with the New Testament emphasis
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on guidance by the Spirit. Right.
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And finally, this proposed language signals a reliance on
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the Holy Spirit's internal act of operation to guide believers
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toward true holiness. Rather than relying on external
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conformity to a human. It assumes that God's grace
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genuinely changes people from the inside out, leading to
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choices that honor Him. Rather than just managing
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behavior through external restrictions, it trusts God's
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work more than our rules. Well, that brings us towards the
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end of this deep dive. We've really covered some ground
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today, haven't we? Looking at legalism's two faces,
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that self reliant righteousness and the trap of adding human
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rules for church belonging, we saw how Piper argues it's
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deceptively dangerous, maybe more so than overt sins,
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precisely because it can look so good.
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And we traced its route back to unbelief, a failure to fully
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trust God's active work in US and in others, and then
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grounding ourselves in Colossians 2, seeing that
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biblical mandate for Christian liberty, a freedom that's firmly
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established in Christ himself, it.
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Really reinforces that central truth, doesn't it?
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That real purity, real spiritual growth in the church, it doesn't
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come from our regulations. We're just gritting our teeth
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and trying harder. No, it flows from that joyful,
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confident reliance on God's act of operation through Christ
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alone. It's out clinging to Him,
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trusting Him completely as the source of all life and genuine
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holiness. So thinking about about all
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this, what does it mean for you personally listening today?
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Maybe it's a chance to reflect. Are there places in your own
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walk where you might lean towards self-reliance, trusting
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your own efforts more than God's grace?
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Or perhaps it's about considering how your church
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community approaches these issues of liberty and belonging?
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What does it truly mean to be part of Christ's body together?
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And maybe one final thought to Mull over, something to consider
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further on your own. If we really grasp that
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legalism's root is unbelief, how might that change the way we
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preach the gospel? How might it shape how we
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disciple believers in our churches?
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How do we aim for that genuine God produced holiness rather
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than settling for just outward conformity?
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That's a great question to leave us with.
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Thank you for joining us on this deep dive on the deep dive.
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We look forward to the next one.