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Jeff Legwold on PHD 1-16-25 · Jeff Legwold ESPN Broncos Reports

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  Speaker 1: Jeff Leangwald is our Broncos insider.
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  Speaker 2: Altitude Sports Radio ninety two five Pro Football.
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  Speaker 3: The Insider I've covered a while.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Legwald too cute.
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  Speaker 4: Let's dial down the cube and just play football.
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  Speaker 2: Brought to you by the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
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  Speaker 2: and with the career r b e W Local sixty eight.
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  Speaker 1: It's Leggy, Yeah, yeah, yeah. On Altitude Sports Radio five.
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  Speaker 1: This football season, we got the Jeff Jeff, Jeff Jeff.
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  Speaker 2: I'll start Jef, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff Jeff.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Legwald is brought to you by the International Brotherhood
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  Speaker 1: of Electrical Workers ib W Local sixty eight. Start with
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  Speaker 1: the job and with the career.
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  Speaker 2: I actually think Jeff should feel redeemed, though, because I
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  Speaker 2: think Sean might have at least equal amount of spite
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  Speaker 2: from Mike Cliffs, if not more than he does for
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Legwell.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, Jeff, how's that fair? And how's that competition?
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  Speaker 4: I'd say the spin level is pretty high, you know.
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  Speaker 4: On my end, I'll just say that.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta play you. I'm going to start at the
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  Speaker 1: finish and play you to me. This was just so
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  Speaker 1: appropriate and symbolic of the entire year with Sean Payne
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  Speaker 1: the last minute of his press conference. We go through
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  Speaker 1: a whole season, everything, and I think so much you
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  Speaker 1: could sum up about this year in the last fifty
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  Speaker 1: seconds of things Sean Payne had to say about this year.
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  Speaker 1: Let me play it for everybody.
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  Speaker 3: My question.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, what was your question? What exactly what
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  Speaker 1: was your question? I'm only to play last. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: this is an answer, no, no, but what was your question?
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  Speaker 1: Because it'll it'll be fun to get to this. The
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  Speaker 1: nature of your question was what.
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  Speaker 3: It was.
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  Speaker 4: You played three of the of the final four in
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  Speaker 4: the AFC. When you step back, do you see a gap?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay. This is how the year ended with Sean page.
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  Speaker 5: We're not looking backwards, we're looking ahead, and it starts
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  Speaker 5: with the division, you know, And there was a lot
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  Speaker 5: of confidence in this team. If we could get past
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  Speaker 5: that game the next game we had to play, we
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  Speaker 5: felt real good about and so we're still obviously we're
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  Speaker 5: still not there yet, and yet we're a lot closer
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  Speaker 5: than we were at this time a year ago. That
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  Speaker 5: was misery, sorrow, drudgery, give me some other adjectives there
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  Speaker 5: just dah. That was well, it was brutal. Let's say that.
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  Speaker 1: And then he goes, Dann, maybe you can find it.
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  Speaker 1: I want the end of it too, where like he
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  Speaker 1: paused and he goes, Okay, see everybody.
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  Speaker 3: I tend to close them out. Sometimes.
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  Speaker 4: That's why I wait for everyone to get their work done,
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  Speaker 4: and then I dive in because I there's a good
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  Speaker 4: chance I'm I'm ending the festivities.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes, that to me was everything. He was frustrated. He
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  Speaker 1: was kind of in a miserable mood all year. There
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  Speaker 1: was never any moments of real sunshine. It didn't seem
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  Speaker 1: I think the happiest was when he was in West Virginia.
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  Speaker 1: I have a memory of that. He says, they would
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  Speaker 1: have basically beat Kansas City, like we would have taken
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  Speaker 1: care of Kansas City had we got there, and he
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  Speaker 1: threw punches at Russell Wilson on the way out the door.
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  Speaker 1: Then it was like, okay, bye, everybody, see you later.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, to me, Jeff was the combine, you know, like, if.
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  Speaker 1: That's not the quintessential season in a nutshell with Sean Payne,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what is. I can't imagine anything ending
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  Speaker 1: more appropriately than dealing with Sean than the answer to
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  Speaker 1: that question.
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  Speaker 4: I guess I'm troubled by the you know, it wasn't
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  Speaker 4: thirty one thirty last Sunday. I man, they lost thirty
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  Speaker 4: one seven. And he's like, well, if we get by
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  Speaker 4: that one, then we're gonna handle the chiefs. And I'm
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  Speaker 4: I'm just not sure I'm poking the chiefs in any
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  Speaker 4: fashion until till later.
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  Speaker 3: But you know that's just me.
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  Speaker 2: Well we'll never know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, God so good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, d Back and.
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  Speaker 2: I were just talking about the Vance Joseph situation, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, I think we're at least d Mac and
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  Speaker 2: I are both at it. I do think that both
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  Speaker 2: sides would happily say goodbye if there was a a
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  Speaker 2: an opportunity out there for Vance Joseph to leave. But
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  Speaker 2: I don't get the feeling that they would necessarily fire
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  Speaker 2: Vance Joseph. Where are you at with that conversation.
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  Speaker 4: I don't I don't get that vibe or that's not
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  Speaker 4: been conveyed to me in any fashion. They everyone including
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  Speaker 4: Sean believes he did a good job this year, a
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  Speaker 4: great job this year. I mean that even Sunday, that
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  Speaker 4: game's thirteen to seven with five minutes left, four minutes
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  Speaker 4: left in the third quarter.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 4: You can definitively say that got away from him only
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  Speaker 4: on defense, and like nobody on the offensive staff should
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  Speaker 4: get touched, but fire the defensive coordinator. I'm just not
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  Speaker 4: sure that's you know, what you're looking for. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I think Sean Payton plays the long game on things,
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  Speaker 4: and that you know, Jim Leonard would probably be the
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  Speaker 4: replacement if Vance moved on or was not there, But
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  Speaker 4: it's not been conveyed to me right now that he's
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  Speaker 4: in trouble. But you know, I always tell people John
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  Speaker 4: Fox didn't go into that meeting in twenty fourteen thinking
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  Speaker 4: he was getting fired. He thought he was going in
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  Speaker 4: to talk about staff changes and came out fired as
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  Speaker 4: the head coach of the Denver Broncos. So you don't
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  Speaker 4: know how the conversations are going to go the next
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  Speaker 4: couple of weeks. But the next two weeks are kind
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  Speaker 4: of the staff evaluations. You know, they'll go to the
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  Speaker 4: Senior Bowl and then you know, all the player you know,
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  Speaker 4: they'll give the coaches a week and then they come
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  Speaker 4: back and start digging in on moving forward.
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  Speaker 2: So this is probably a mood point because I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it would happen either way. But I was actually
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  Speaker 2: just texting you about this as well, and I get
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  Speaker 2: different answers on this question all the time, depending on
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  Speaker 2: who I'm talking to, and the question is simply this.
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  Speaker 2: If a coordinator vance Joseph in theory, is offered a
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  Speaker 2: new job as a coordinator on a new team, but
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  Speaker 2: they throw in assistant head coach on there, can the
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  Speaker 2: current team block it? Because I've gotten radically different responses
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  Speaker 2: to that by people that that I trust, and nobody
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  Speaker 2: really seems to know the true answer on that.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, what GMS tell me, Tyler, and what I've
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  Speaker 4: always been told is you can't block a true promotion.
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  Speaker 4: So if he's assistant head coach without play calling duties,
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  Speaker 4: I think it's much more difficult for the new team
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  Speaker 4: to say that's a promotion and avoid the just by
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  Speaker 4: giving him the title. If he has less power than
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  Speaker 4: he did at his current job, I think it's difficult.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 4: I've always been told you can't block a true promotion,
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  Speaker 4: but I've never actually seen it in writing.
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  Speaker 3: That's what That's what I always I always say.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, And I don't know of any team that's ever
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  Speaker 4: blocked a true promotion.
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  Speaker 3: I guess I should say that too.
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  Speaker 1: What were your big takeaways hearing from Sean George and
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  Speaker 1: Greg Penner yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: I thought, when you'd really dig into it, they like
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  Speaker 4: they obviously believe they found a quarterback they can win with,
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  Speaker 4: but they were very measured in saying he's the forever
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  Speaker 4: solution or whatever people want them to say about it.
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  Speaker 4: And I think Sean, you know, alluded to the difficulties
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  Speaker 4: bo had in his rookie year against pressure and on
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  Speaker 4: third down, and the metrics are are very telling. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: only the Giants in Carolina had more three and outs
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  Speaker 4: than the Broncos this year, and that's just a fact.
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  Speaker 2: You know that. It's interesting because I actually felt that
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  Speaker 2: was unusual because all year long, Sean Payton has talked
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  Speaker 2: about bo Nix in the complete opposite manner, like this
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  Speaker 2: dude is the hero. He's God's gift, the second coming
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  Speaker 2: to Jesus.
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  Speaker 3: You're prepping for games.
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  Speaker 4: You know that Tyler, he wants him to feel like
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  Speaker 4: Superman when he walks out there.
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  Speaker 2: Why back off?
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think they backed off.
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  Speaker 4: I just think he had a few minutes to think
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  Speaker 4: about it, and uh, you can't. I mean, they didn't
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  Speaker 4: score against the good teams. I mean that's just and
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  Speaker 4: it's fine. You know, the playoff a playoff return is
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  Speaker 4: a success, yes, but you know they've got six of
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  Speaker 4: the six of the ten wins against teams that are
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  Speaker 4: picking in the top ten of the draft. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: that's you feasted on. You know, you did what you
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  Speaker 4: should do if you're improving, you beat the really bad teams.
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  Speaker 4: But they also conversely lost to all the really good teams.
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  Speaker 3: And you know that's where they're at right now.
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  Speaker 1: Free agency, that's the next big thing, I suppose after
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  Speaker 1: the combine and kind of I do both those things
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  Speaker 1: at the same time. Who are some potential targets. What
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  Speaker 1: would they have to do if they wanted, say t Higgins,
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  Speaker 1: if they really wanted a thirty million dollar receiver, they
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  Speaker 1: want to go crazy there, and what do you think
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  Speaker 1: they're inclinations?
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  Speaker 4: Maybe well, you know, it depends on you know, they
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  Speaker 4: going for the you know, the nice bonus or what
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  Speaker 4: they really need, you know, inside linebacker, possibly a safety,
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  Speaker 4: tight end, running back.
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  Speaker 3: I think those needs are greater.
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  Speaker 4: Than a you know, hugely big contract on a receiver.
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  Speaker 4: But it just depends where they come down and all that. Now,
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  Speaker 4: they talked yesterday on both sides of the ball a
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  Speaker 4: lot about what they what they in house called the
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  Speaker 4: internal triangle, which is, you know, the through the middle
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  Speaker 4: you know in baseball would be your you know, catcher, shortstop,
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  Speaker 4: second basement, center fielder type thing. You know they're talking.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, look where they've got hounded this year on
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  Speaker 4: both sides of the ball. It's because they don't have
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  Speaker 4: a tight end that challenges people down the hash and
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  Speaker 4: they don't defend the interior of the run box very well,
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  Speaker 4: and ultimately those hurt them the most against the big team.
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  Speaker 4: T Higgins gives bo Nix and everybody else a lot
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  Speaker 4: more options with the ball that it doesn't fix your
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  Speaker 4: two main problems. So it's just how they approach that
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  Speaker 4: element of it. If you do sign a player like
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  Speaker 4: T Higgins, that's an awful lot of your cap space,
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  Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. And they do have some cap space,
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  Speaker 4: but they they are I like everyone just conveniently swept
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  Speaker 4: under the rug yesterday that they are carrying thirty three
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  Speaker 4: million dollars of dead money already and they've slapped voidable
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  Speaker 4: years on almost every contract they have in house, so
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  Speaker 4: their salary cap issues aren't going away anytime soon.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting that it felt like he
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  Speaker 2: was pretty clear that he was not satisfied with Marvin
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  Speaker 2: Memes in the joker role. And I do think that
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  Speaker 2: he was absolutely using Marvin Mems in a joker role.
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  Speaker 2: Did you feel the same way that I felt about that?
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  Speaker 4: I thought, well, ultimately they did do was it forced
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  Speaker 4: them to give him snaps and then he showed them, Look,
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  Speaker 4: I'm a pretty damn good receiver too, if you just
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  Speaker 4: put me on the field, And I think that was
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  Speaker 4: the success part of putting him at running back at times.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, he's they know he's not a.
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  Speaker 4: True what Peyton would use as a joker in his offense,
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  Speaker 4: but he was the closest they had. But yeah, no,
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  Speaker 4: they he doesn't. He certainly doesn't think that's the future
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  Speaker 4: for Marvin Mims, and I think they. I think that's
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  Speaker 4: one thing they came away with that that he showed
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  Speaker 4: some real promise as a receiver and it's up to
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  Speaker 4: them to now push that to the next step because
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  Speaker 4: it's very clear at the end of the year, bo
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  Speaker 4: Nicks had the most confidence throwing the ball in a
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  Speaker 4: tight window to Courtland Sutton or Marvin Mims.
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  Speaker 2: If you go after a joker in the draft, is
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  Speaker 2: that a first round selection or is that later on?
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  Speaker 4: Well, it was rarely our first rounder when he did
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  Speaker 4: it in New Orleans. You know, Reggie Bush obviously was,
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  Speaker 4: but you know a lot of the other guys who've
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  Speaker 4: played it through for him through the years, it's have
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  Speaker 4: not been. It's more of a skill set, really a
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  Speaker 4: rare skill set. I mean in this draft. In my
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  Speaker 4: you know, I'm pretty well through a first couple swings
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  Speaker 4: through the top four or five rounds on the board.
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  Speaker 4: But you know the Warren is the best candidate. It's
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  Speaker 4: just a matter of do you deem that enough value
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  Speaker 4: to take it as early as you're going to have
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  Speaker 4: to to get him. But he has all the the
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  Speaker 4: fun things about that in addition to being a he's
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  Speaker 4: not just a good athlete who can throw the ball.
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  Speaker 4: He's actually a passer who understands coverages when he throws
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  Speaker 4: the ball that's wild.
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  Speaker 1: Is it a true six seven or is he a
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  Speaker 1: little under that.
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  Speaker 4: I think he'll be a true six to six or
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  Speaker 4: six five and seven eighths or something like that. I
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  Speaker 4: think he's right there. No, he's he's everything. He's a
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  Speaker 4: real runner with the ball too. He's not just a
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  Speaker 4: big guy sort of lumbering around. He's he runs with vision.
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  Speaker 4: He's not quite brock powers as a receiver, but not
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  Speaker 4: many people are on this planet, so I think that's
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  Speaker 4: an unfair comparison. But he's he's a tremendous athlete.
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  Speaker 3: I really like him as a as a prospect ya too.
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  Speaker 1: But again, his hype is going to go way up
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  Speaker 1: like at twenty and it's.
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  Speaker 4: A thin board. This is a thin board. I've talked
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  Speaker 4: to general managers, you know. I always tell people most years,
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  Speaker 4: if there are twenty three, twenty four first round grades
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  Speaker 4: by teams, that's a good year in a draft. There
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  Speaker 4: There's never been thirty two in my entire career of
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  Speaker 4: doing this, But I've had one GM tell me he
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  Speaker 4: thought there was only fourteen or fifteen true first.
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  Speaker 3: Round grades on this board.
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  Speaker 4: So a lot of it will be a lot of
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  Speaker 4: opinion but between now and then. But it's not considered
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  Speaker 4: an awesome draft. But there's the ability to find players
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  Speaker 4: is there.
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  Speaker 3: And there are plenty of guys who can help the Broncos.
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  Speaker 4: I mean Nick Benito is a second round pick, So
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  Speaker 4: let's not get all frosty about first round or bust
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  Speaker 4: or anything.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, real quick, because they're yelling at me that we
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  Speaker 2: have to break they're about to be Do you think that,
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  Speaker 2: Jalen Milrow and even a Quinn yours, we'll sneak into
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  Speaker 2: the first.
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  Speaker 4: Round Quarterbacks, Tyler, I never leave anything off the table.
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  Speaker 4: People will always overdraft quarterbacks because if you love them enough,
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  Speaker 4: you want that fifth year option, no matter if that's
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  Speaker 4: where you have created or not.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Jeff kod Job. On the end of
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  Speaker 1: the year, it was miserable, awful. What else, Give me
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  Speaker 1: some adjectives, Throw me some adjectives out there.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, you just kind of drop up brutal in there
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  Speaker 3: before you go brutal.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks, Jeff, I talk to you later. Jeff Blagwell. Brought
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  Speaker 1: to you by the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers.