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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 8-20-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Pab It Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody, Welcome to the Shot O'Connell Show on your home
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  Speaker 1: Utah Football Camp continues.
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  Speaker 2: demand section. I am bad at predictions, sometimes I will
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  Speaker 2: predict today's show is great. Adam Rittenberg at noon, Devin
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  Speaker 2: dan Pier at one. At eleven thirty, we'll be talking
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  Speaker 2: some Broncos with Ryan Edwards, who is the Broncos radio
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  Speaker 2: studio analyst. Obviously, the Denver Broncos roster has a lot
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  Speaker 2: of Utah connections, and because of the geographic proximity, is
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  Speaker 2: a de facto home team for plenty of Utah's So
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  Speaker 2: I feel confident in that.
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  Speaker 1: Prediction being accurate. It's going to be a fun show today.
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  Speaker 2: I have also predicted that Billable Hours will be undefeated
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  Speaker 2: this season this offseason, and every storyline that keeps coming
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  Speaker 2: out only confirms that.
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  Speaker 1: Risk averse prediction.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, district judges are all over the country trying
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  Speaker 2: to ruin college football for the season by granting temporary
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  Speaker 2: restraining orders and injunctions allowing players who were drafted or
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  Speaker 2: signed NFL contracts to be eligible to come back and
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  Speaker 2: play college football. Not next year, but this year. We
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  Speaker 2: are two weeks away from Week one games. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: we are exactly two weeks away from Utah's first game
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  Speaker 2: against the University of Idaho at Rice Cycle Stadium. That'll
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  Speaker 2: be Thursday night affair that all of us have been
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  Speaker 2: holding our breath waiting for. The Week zero games are
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  Speaker 2: five days before that, so we're nine days away from
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  Speaker 2: Week zero college football games. And there are judges out
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  Speaker 2: there trying to insert their their robes into the conversation
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  Speaker 2: around college football, letting guys like former BYU athlete all
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  Speaker 2: Big twelve offensive linemen Whalen Lapuaho have another year of
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  Speaker 2: eligibility and he's heading into the transfer portal and who
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  Speaker 2: knows where he's gonna end up. That is enough of
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  Speaker 2: a storyline. We could start the whole segment on it.
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  Speaker 2: We can start the whole show with it, but we're
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  Speaker 2: not going to because news broke yesterday that once again
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  Speaker 2: Billable Hours will remain undefeated because there is a legal
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  Speaker 2: battle brewing between the University of Utah and one coach Whittingham.
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  Speaker 3: Not that one.
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  Speaker 2: Whittingham, the younger Freddie Whittingham, longtime tight ends coach at
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  Speaker 2: the University of Utah. Before that, he was involved in
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  Speaker 2: the player personnel department before he was an.
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  Speaker 1: On field coach. He is, of course the brother of
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham, and.
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  Speaker 2: To be fair to Freddie, he did an excellent, excellent
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  Speaker 2: job coaching the tight ends at the University of Utah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know the exact number if you go all
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  Speaker 2: the way back through Utah Football's history of how many
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  Speaker 2: tight ends the university produced before Freddie Whittingham was the
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  Speaker 2: cut tight ends coach, but I met the number of
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  Speaker 2: NFL tight ends that he coached at the University of
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  Speaker 2: Utah probably matches the one hundred plus years before.
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  Speaker 1: He was a really good tight ends coach.
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  Speaker 2: He did an excellent job of making the tight end
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  Speaker 2: a feature position at the University of Utah. When I
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  Speaker 2: mean in the spread concepts that Urban Meyer helped popularize,
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  Speaker 2: they weren't really a thing. Ron McBride was more of
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  Speaker 2: an old school, traditional pro style offense guy, but there
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  Speaker 2: weren't There had not been a laundry list of uber
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  Speaker 2: productive tight ends that went through the University of Utah
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  Speaker 2: football program. So, on one hand, there are fans that
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  Speaker 2: I've heard from several of them already eight seven seven
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  Speaker 2: three five three zero seven hundred. Tell me your thoughts
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  Speaker 2: on the University of Utah suing Freddie Whittingham for money
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  Speaker 2: owed for breach of contract and at least one million
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  Speaker 2: dollars in general and special damages on a fiduciary duty
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  Speaker 2: claim plus punitive damages. I am not going to pretend
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  Speaker 2: that I know exactly how to parse out that legal ease.
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  Speaker 2: But the long and short of this suit is centered
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  Speaker 2: around a timeline when Kyle Whittingham was leaving the University
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  Speaker 2: of Utah and Freddie Whittingham was following him to the
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  Speaker 2: University of Michigan. All Right, Freddie Whittingham's contract at the
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  Speaker 2: University of Utah was supposed to go until the end
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  Speaker 2: of January twenty twenty seven. His base salary was something
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  Speaker 2: like five hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year at
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  Speaker 2: somewhere in this article, which for a position coach for
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  Speaker 2: a college football coach, Obviously, it's not a huge number
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  Speaker 2: when you compare it to the number on the check
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  Speaker 2: that the University of Utah had to write Kyle Whittingham
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  Speaker 2: just months ago. It's a nothing burger, right And you
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  Speaker 2: don't like to see two weeks ahead of a season
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  Speaker 2: legal battle between Utah and a Whittingham. You don't like
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  Speaker 2: to see that this is a pr nightmare, if we're
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  Speaker 2: being honest. But let's talk about what it really is
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  Speaker 2: at the University of Utah. There's some important details in
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  Speaker 2: the reporting done in the Athletic, in the reporting done
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  Speaker 2: in the Salt Lake Tribune. And how you put a
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  Speaker 2: hierarchy on the importance of those details, I guess is
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  Speaker 2: going to be partially dependent on your feelings about Kyle Whittingham.
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  Speaker 2: Your feelings about Kyle Whittingham probably extend at least to
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  Speaker 2: some degree towards Freddie Whittingham. Your feelings about the value
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  Speaker 2: of money and the importance of money in the college
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  Speaker 2: football landscape right now are going to help you prioritize
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  Speaker 2: or maybe confuse the way you prioritize, depending on how
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  Speaker 2: your brain works. The other stuff mentioned here about you
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  Speaker 2: know the fact that I don't know five players ended
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  Speaker 2: up at Michigan that were, in their own right, contractually
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  Speaker 2: obligated to the University of Utah, and that doesn't happen
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  Speaker 2: without the influence of coaches. That is the emotional spark
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  Speaker 2: plug for a lot of fans. Right, fine, you're a coach,
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  Speaker 2: you want to leave, Go ahead, good riddance. How dare you?
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  Speaker 2: Don't you dare touch those players? Don't you talk to
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  Speaker 2: those players? Don't you tamper with those players. That's not
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  Speaker 2: even what the suit is about. It's mentioned in there.
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  Speaker 2: It's part of it, and for the fan, it's the
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  Speaker 2: thing that hurts you the most, it's what cuts you
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  Speaker 2: the deepest.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not what the suit is about.
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  Speaker 2: What the suit is about is the University of Utah
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  Speaker 2: had a contract with a grown adult professional coach. That
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  Speaker 2: coach decided he wasn't going to fulfill the contract. He
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  Speaker 2: was going to leave with his brother to the University
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  Speaker 2: of Michigan because of course, he was always going to
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  Speaker 2: do that given the option, one hundred times out of
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  Speaker 2: one hundred, he's going to do that. He's not the
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  Speaker 2: only coach on the staff who did that. He's the
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  Speaker 2: only coach being sued. Why this is the most important
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  Speaker 2: part of the article. This is the most important part
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  Speaker 2: of the case. I have an immense amount of love
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  Speaker 2: for former tight Ends coach and part time voiceover artists.
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  Speaker 1: Freddie Whittingham.
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  Speaker 2: Huh remember on some of the twenty two Forever stuff
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  Speaker 2: it was his voice as the narrator, dulcet tones.
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  Speaker 1: He sounds great.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, maybe we'll give you a call, Freddy Whittingham.
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  Speaker 2: We could maybe use those those dulcet tones here at
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  Speaker 2: ESPNSA Freddie Whittingham. And he's a charismatic guy. He's incredibly handsome,
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  Speaker 2: He's an excellent tennis player. I could keep saying all
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  Speaker 2: these nice things about Freddie Whittingham. Freddie Whittingham was contractually
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  Speaker 2: obligated to either remain coach at the University of Utah
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  Speaker 2: until the end of his contrac or he was going
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  Speaker 2: to have to pay back.
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  Speaker 1: He was going to have to pay a buyout.
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  Speaker 2: Like every other coach in college football when they leave
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  Speaker 2: a contract. Guess who pays these buyouts when a head
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  Speaker 2: coach leaves. If there's a buyout, right, if Kyle Whittingham
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  Speaker 2: had left the University of Utah voluntarily before Michigan, or
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  Speaker 2: excuse me, if he had left the University of Utah
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  Speaker 2: voluntarily because Michigan offered him the job and said, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we want you, and Kyle Whittingham said, yep, let's do it.
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  Speaker 4: Guess what.
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  Speaker 2: They have to pay his buyout? That thirteen million dollar
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  Speaker 2: check that Utah just had to write never happens. Michigan
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  Speaker 2: has to pay the Kyle Whittingham buy out. Whatever that
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  Speaker 2: number is, it was. I don't even know what that
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  Speaker 2: number is. It was because guess what, Michigan didn't have
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  Speaker 2: to pay it because Utah. Whether you think they should
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  Speaker 2: have done this or not, because the fact of the
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  Speaker 2: matter is Utah had already nudged him out the door
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  Speaker 2: and said we're moving on to Morgan Scaley. And you
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  Speaker 2: know what, I think we're all fine with that at
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  Speaker 2: this point, seeing the way that camp is working out,
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  Speaker 2: seeing how springball looked, seeing the way that the players
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  Speaker 2: have reacted to him, the knock on wood, the lack
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  Speaker 2: of injury that has been reported so far out of camp.
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  Speaker 1: Like I think all of us are like, okay, cool,
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  Speaker 1: we've turned the page. We're ready to go.
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  Speaker 2: And that's probably why none of us wanted to see
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  Speaker 2: Utah suing Whittingham headline today, two weeks ahead of the
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  Speaker 2: football season starting. But I don't know how high a
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  Speaker 2: road you can take at a public university when there's
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  Speaker 2: at least one point three million dollars in question here,
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  Speaker 2: I get it. One point three million dollars compared to
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  Speaker 2: the hundreds of million dollars in an athletic budget.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of like a drop in the bucket.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, but how many drops in the bucket have we
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  Speaker 2: seen public universities or private universities for that matter. Not
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  Speaker 2: fight over, not worry about, until you get to this
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  Speaker 2: point where now there's a panic, Now there's a deficit,
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  Speaker 2: Now there's a oh my gosh, we better do something
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  Speaker 2: in order to keep ourselves afloat in this revenue sharing
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  Speaker 2: nil era.
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  Speaker 1: Where everything just became a lot more expensive.
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  Speaker 2: Freddie Whinningham is the only coach that left the University
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  Speaker 2: of Utah while still under contract at the University of
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  Speaker 2: Utah that did not settle their buy out. And that
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  Speaker 2: is the only reason why this lawsuit is happening. Look,
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  Speaker 2: Freddie call us eight seven seven three five three zero
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  Speaker 2: seven hundred. I have love for the Winningham family till
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  Speaker 2: I'm dead, Okay. I know that Utah fans don't like
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  Speaker 2: to hear me say that. It's not because because Kyle
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  Speaker 2: was especially great to me when he was my coach.
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  Speaker 2: At the University of Utah. It's because I respect the
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  Speaker 2: body of work done. I respect the way that they
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  Speaker 2: conducted themselves as stewards of the program, allowing us to
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  Speaker 2: have a respectable program to.
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  Speaker 1: Root for right. That's just one of many reasons.
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  Speaker 2: If you're Freddie Whittingham and your agent, because they all
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  Speaker 2: have agents. If you're Freddie Whittingham and your agent said,
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  Speaker 2: don't worry about this, just don't worry about it. That
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  Speaker 2: agent is the reason why your name is in headlines
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  Speaker 2: today in your home state. If there was somebody in
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  Speaker 2: your circle of friends, I don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 4: Don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 1: Don't worry about Like you know how many phone.
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  Speaker 2: Calls, text messages, letters must have been sent between the
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  Speaker 2: University of Utah and either Freddie Whittingham and his representatives
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  Speaker 2: before this headline became a reality. Do you know how
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  Speaker 2: many times this had to have been addressed privately before
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  Speaker 2: it became public like this.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a few, it's a lot of times.
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  Speaker 2: I understand the sentiment that's been expressed on social media
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  Speaker 2: and elsewhere.
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  Speaker 1: Just be done, Just turn the page, just move on.
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  Speaker 1: Let's stop this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we would love to I would love to. I
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  Speaker 2: would love if we didn't have to talk about this,
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  Speaker 2: like clinging on difficult to separate. You know, when you
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  Speaker 2: have when you buy a brand new product and for
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  Speaker 2: whatever reason, the company that manufactures the product puts like
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  Speaker 2: a sticker on it, you know, and it's part of
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  Speaker 2: the purchasing label that has no purpose moving forward, and
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  Speaker 2: you have to peel that thing off and then it.
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  Speaker 4: Leaves some of the adhesive behind.
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  Speaker 3: You're just like, what the.
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  Speaker 4: Crap is this?
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  Speaker 2: And you can't scrub that off like you spend you
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  Speaker 2: could spend hours scrubbing.
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  Speaker 4: It just just stays on.
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  Speaker 1: Fingernail, fingernail, fingernail, fingernail, fingernail.
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  Speaker 4: That's what this is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and guess what it's not actually the athletic Department's fault.
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  Speaker 2: It's not the University of Utah's fault. I know that
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  Speaker 2: there are a lot of us out here that don't
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  Speaker 2: like the way the Kyle Whittingham exit was handled, that
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  Speaker 2: are skeptical of the private equity situation and whether or
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  Speaker 2: not that's going to work to the benefit of Utah football, basketball, gymnastics,
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  Speaker 2: women's basketball, baseball, etce A a long term. I think
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  Speaker 2: there are valid questions in the minds of many, even
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  Speaker 2: die hard Utah fans.
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  Speaker 1: But this one, this one where you're like, oh, what
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  Speaker 1: are we doing?
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  Speaker 2: Why are you getting into a legal battle over you know,
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  Speaker 2: a million bucks with a coach when you can just
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  Speaker 2: walk away the let's just be done with this. Well,
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  Speaker 2: because this is the one coach who didn't settle things
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  Speaker 2: on their end of the bargain properly. In the article,
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  Speaker 2: it states that there was communication between Fredd Whittingham or
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  Speaker 2: his representatives and the athletic department. After this is all
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  Speaker 2: early January, right, January first, All right, Kyle Whittingham's going.
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  Speaker 1: January second.
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  Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham and all of the assistants that are going
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  Speaker 2: with him are at a Michigan basketball game.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: He's talking to the Maze and Blue saying, first order
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  Speaker 2: of business, I got to get my assistance. Oh look
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  Speaker 2: here they are. One of them happens to be his brother,
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  Speaker 2: who had just been communicated with that. Hey, you're you
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  Speaker 2: still have a job here, even though Kyle's gone, you
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  Speaker 2: still have a job here. Because in an ideal world, remember,
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  Speaker 2: the succession plan was for Morgan Scalley to be handed
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  Speaker 2: the keys to the kingdom and the keys to the
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  Speaker 2: Kingdom include the active contracts of whatever coaches were on staff.
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  Speaker 4: At that point.
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  Speaker 2: It would be Morgan's decision whether or not he wanted
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  Speaker 2: to fire guys retain guys, and then we'd be talking
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  Speaker 2: about something else. If he had decided I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to keep Freddie Whittingham, which I don't think he would have,
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  Speaker 2: because Freddy Whittingham again did an incredible job coaching tight
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  Speaker 2: ends and recruiting tight ends at the University of Utah
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  Speaker 2: and by the way, helping out on some of the
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  Speaker 2: biggest gets you ever had in running back commitments, in
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  Speaker 2: overall offensive player commitments.
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  Speaker 1: Freddy's a good recruiter.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: If Morgan had decided, all right, he's under contract through January.
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  Speaker 2: End of January twenty twenty seven, Kyle has moved on
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  Speaker 2: into retirement or whatever else.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to keep Freddy. We're firing Freddie now.
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  Speaker 2: The university pays him the rest of his contractual salary
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  Speaker 2: and that's the end of it.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: More likely is Morgan says, Hey, your brother's gone. I'm
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  Speaker 2: the new head coach. Love for you to stay.
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  Speaker 1: These players love you, We on the coaching staff love you.
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  Speaker 2: And then it's Freddy's idea whether he wants to stay
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  Speaker 2: or go, and if he doesn't, and if he wants
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  Speaker 2: to just like retire, he wants to be done.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what happens with this contract.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe there's a buy out, maybe there's something, Maybe there's
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  Speaker 2: a mutual parting of ways. Maybe it's a a cordially
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  Speaker 2: accepted resignation with some kind of caveat that you can't
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  Speaker 2: go coach somewhere else without offsetting language and a buy
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  Speaker 2: out there, whatever. But what actually happened was Freddie Winningham
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  Speaker 2: was told you are a coach at the University of
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  Speaker 2: Utah until end of January twenty twenty seven, and he said, actually,
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  Speaker 2: I'm in an arbor right now.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's a breach of your contract. So okay.
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  Speaker 2: And in the article again, good job by I'm looking
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  Speaker 2: at the Salt Lake Tribune, Jason Battakiyov shout out to you.
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  Speaker 2: He's done a really good job covering the utes beat
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  Speaker 2: and not all of it is the pleasant fun stuff.
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  Speaker 2: There was communication allegedly reportedly that Freddie Whittingham said war
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  Speaker 2: to manual the now resigned or now resigning, I should
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  Speaker 2: say the exiting athletic director at Michigan is going to
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  Speaker 2: contact you University of Utah regarding a buyout. Now, if
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  Speaker 2: Freddie Whittingham believed that was happening and he didn't have
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  Speaker 2: to worry about it, and he didn't have to handle it,
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  Speaker 2: and he just wanted to go hit the ground running
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  Speaker 2: on recruitment, he wanted to hit the ground running on
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  Speaker 2: coaching up the guys that are already at Michigan.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Fine, sure you let like one thing about college football coaches.
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  Speaker 2: They have agents for a reason. They want to deal
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  Speaker 2: with football. They want to deal with personnel. They want
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  Speaker 2: to deal with players, they want to deal with film,
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  Speaker 2: they want to deal with the weight room. Maybe they
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  Speaker 2: don't want to deal with their own contract. That's why
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  Speaker 2: they have agents. Go get me the maximum amount of money,
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  Speaker 2: Get me this buyout, Get me that I want access
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  Speaker 2: to the private jet. I want at least the I
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  Speaker 2: guess if you're a position coach, you're not getting the
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  Speaker 2: private jet, right, but like, give me the mercedes from
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  Speaker 2: the local dealership. Whatever, Just let me focus on football.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe Freddy believed that Ward Manual and Michigan was handling
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  Speaker 2: it and he didn't have to worry about any of this.
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  Speaker 1: At some point though, the mail got to him.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, Hey, you owe us the remainder of your
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  Speaker 2: contract because you didn't fulfill your contract. And this complaint,
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  Speaker 2: this lawsuit that is being issued at the University of Utah,
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  Speaker 2: that they're saying, Okay, man, like, we've been talking about
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  Speaker 2: this for a while now, and you clearly are the
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  Speaker 2: only one who hasn't settled up.
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to have to pursue legal action here.
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  Speaker 1: And let's say that.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just play out a hypothetical here, right if you're
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  Speaker 2: Mark Carlan. I don't want to speak for Mark Carlan,
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  Speaker 2: but I could see a world in which Mark Harlan,
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  Speaker 2: for the next several months at least maybe forever, doesn't
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  Speaker 2: want to hear the name Whittingham. He doesn't want to
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  Speaker 2: see Whittingham on his desk. I could see Mark Harlan
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: having Whittingham fatigue because he knows that one of the
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: big questions about his legacy as an athletic director at
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: the University of Utah is going to center around the
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: way that Kyle Whittingham was handled.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Not Freddie Whittingham, but the way Kyle Whittingham was handled.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: You don't want the Freddie Whittingham five hundred grand to
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: come across your desk. You don't want to talk about it,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: you don't want to think about it. Let's say that
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Mark Carlin, and this is a total hypothetical. Again, I'm
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: not speaking for Mark Cardinal. Let's say that Mark Carlan
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: is just like, you know what, let's just wash our
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: hands of all things Whittingham.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: Let's just eat this cost. Well, guess what. It's a
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: public university.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: There's an a turnery general, there's the board of trustees,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: there's a university president, there's a state auditor. There's now
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: private equity firm that is counting every nickel, diamond penny
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: that comes in and out. And I don't know if
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Mark Harlan had any say in this at all. Maybe
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Mark Carlin was like, please, guys, I don't want to
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: have to answer questions or phone calls about Freddie bleep
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: in Whittingham.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: Please.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: How many other people are gonna say? No, man, We've
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: been operating at a deficit for years. We had to
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: sell off the rights to our athletic department to private
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: equity because we're experiencing a shortfall here.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: We're trying to move forward the right way. We're not
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: gonna walk.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Away from more than a million dollars this, either directly
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: or indirectly. This is a nice offensive tackle for Morgan Scalley.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not. We're not just gonna eat this crap sandwich
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: that Freddie Whittingham either deliberately or accidentally fed us. Maybe
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: the high road, maybe the easy way is to just say, oh,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: let's get rid of it, let's go. If this were Texas,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame USC Michigan, guess what's happening.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: A million bucks that's a rounding error for us.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Just make it go away. I don't want to deal
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: with the bad pr Utah is not in that position.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: You should not be rooting for Utah to lose out
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: on a million dollars that is entitled to them contractually
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: because of the language in a contract that a grown
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: adult signed. This is not even remotely close to like,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: is Texas Tech going to try to get their money
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: back from Brendan Soaresby.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: This is Freddy. This is Freddy winning Am.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: He's a hyper intelligent, fully realized adult human being who
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: signed a contract and then, according to all reports and documentation,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: didn't fully fulfill that contract and the money is something
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: that we've been trained as sports fans to care about.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I don't want to care about it. Let's say that
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: the money was the only issue. Let's say that Freddie
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Whittingham and the rest of those coaches on staff went
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: to Michigan and they made no phone call, they sent
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: no text message, they had no meeting with any Utah
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: football player to say, hey, come with us. Let's say
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: that the five Utah players who happened to be five
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: of the best players on the roster. Let's say that
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: all of those guys either stayed at the University of
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Utah or even transferred, but not to Michigan to somewhere else,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: didn't follow this coaching staff.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Everyone would feel differently about that. Everyone.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: If you take the best player that was in your
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: room last year, JJ Buchanan, and you take whatever money
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: on the contract without fulfilling the contract.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: You've taken too much. I'm sorry you have.
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: That's not why the university or the athletic like they
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: don't care, at least not on paper. They don't care
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: as much's it's mentioned in the complaint. It's not the
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: crux of the argument. It's about the timeline. It's about, Hey,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: this is a contract you entered. You owe us this money.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: It's about the finances. The principle of the matter is, well,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: not only did you take the money or trying to
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: take the money and run, you're also taking the player.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: It's like, it's like what you hear about like really
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: bad felony charges, right, and let's say it's manslaughter, okay
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: with a HICU or manslaughter. And then you also if
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: you read all of the charges, you also see oh
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: they got them for speeding too. Here it's like they
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: prosecution law enforcement add as many charges as they can
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: to try to get some kind of conviction to stick
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: for somebody.
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: It's that seemed to me the what why they put
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: the JJ Buchanan thing even in the lawsuit, to say, okay,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: you breached the contract. Here's all this like really important
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: stuff about how you breach the contract and what we're
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: entitled to because of it. Let's just also layer on
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: the fact that you were counter recruiting, well, which is
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: also a breach of the contract. Again, if it were
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: about that, if it were about the counter recruiting, if
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: it were about the and and this is the this
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: actual bullet point being mentioned here, Right, Freddie Whittingham failed
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: to devote full attention, full attention, full time attention and
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: energy to being a coach for the university football program. Okay, yeah,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: he never received written consent from Utah before engaging with
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: the Wolverines about an assistant coaching position in ann.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Arbor, in jail anyway, as required by his contract.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: All right, guess who else didn't do either of those
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: things as soon as Kyle Whittingham made it known that
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: he was leaving or that he was even sincerely thinking
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: about leaving. Lewis Powell, Jason Beck, Jim Harding, everyone else,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Koy Detmer Junior. All of these guys that followed Kyle
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Whittingham on some level became less devoted to Utah football. Now,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: they did in a lot of cases what they had
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: to do, and they fulfilled their final duties and like
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: coached out the bowl game and did bullprep and all
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, right, and they went through the motions.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Full time attention and energy was not devoted the way
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: that it was previous to them having some possibility of
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: leaving for Michigan. It's the human nature, this thing, right,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: I promise you that Jim Harding did not get written
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: consent from the University of Utah to talk to Michigan. Okay,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: it didn't happen, because what if he's still under contract
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: and anyone at the University of Utah provides that written consent,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: that's malpractice and that person should be fired. Right, So,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: these things that are being mentioned in the contract, none
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: of the coaches that left continued to serve full time
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: the right way. None of them got written consent. Maybe
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: some of them provided the Utes with written notice of
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: their resignation. I don't know what that looks like. Does
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: a post it note count? Does it have to be
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: an email? Can it be something that you send via TikTok?
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I have no idea. Right, here's the bullet point that matters.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Here's what separates the Freddie Whittingham situation and the reason
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: he's being sued for the other guys that are not
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: being sued. He did not pay liquidated damages required by
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: his contract after leaving for Michigan. Utah was left holding
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: a bag that they did not want to hold that
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: contractually they should not have to hold.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: The University of Utah is not suing Jason Beck.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: They are not suing Lewis Powell, they are not suing
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Koy Detmer Junior. They are not suing any of these
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: people who also on some level breached their contract because
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: they paid.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: And you know is the main thing.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what, I bet not a dime
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: came from any of their personal bank accounts. I would
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: be willing to bet my whole salary that that money
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: came from the University of Michigan Athletic department.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: Because that's you mentioned, that's how this is done.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Technically, it's the coach that is on the hook for this,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: but that's factored into their new contract.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Connected into the new contract. And guess what they didn't
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: have to pay James.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: They didn't have to pay a head coach's buyout, right,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: So they're laughing all the way to the bank because
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: they're like, we could have had to pay twenty million
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: dollars to get the next choice out of their contract,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: and instead we got all that.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: We get to keep that. Oh and guess what, UTAH
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: is also going to pay Kyle Whittingham next year. Can
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: you believe that?
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: So they're get the head coach at a discount and
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: maybe they have to pay the buyout for Beck, for
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Aaron Roderick at BYU assistant coach, for the assistant coach,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: maybe you have to pay those buyouts, in which combined
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: some total of those buyouts is going to be like
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: one fifteenth of what a head coaching buyout is.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: So like, I'm looking at.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: This and I'm seeing the reaction of some Utah fans
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: who have sort of an oppositional, defiant stance with everything
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: the athletic department does right now.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: And I understand the lens through which you're looking at this.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I understand how well you don't have to be the
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: biggest fan of whoever's in charge, whether it's university president,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: the athletic director. Maybe you don't think Morgan Scaly's the
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: guy whatever. This though, is something that you just kind
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: of had to do. From the business standpoint. It sucks,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: just like it would suck for Freddie Whittingham to have
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: to write the check himself. But I bet you Michigan
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: would have written it for him, and I bet at
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: the end of the day Michigan will write it for him.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: This is also a couple of things. We got a
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: text here that Sam who's got a law degree not
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: practicing law. He points out just how bad a look
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: it is that for Freddy that he's the only one
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: that did not pay the liquidated damages, which we're also
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: using buyout as synonymous for that technically it's liquidated damages.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Sam's absolutely right about that. He asks where is his agent?
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: And all this, I'm also asking where is Ward Manual
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: in Michigan Athletic Department. This is yet another black mark,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: a very smaller one. This is like a dot with
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: a pen with a black pen, right, But it's another
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: black mark on Ward Manual's tenure as the ade of
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: the University of Michigan, and yet another reason why Michigan
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: fans and the University of Michigan should be feeling great
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: about not having to deal with this guy at the
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: end of this calendar year.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know who Freddy Whittingham's agent is. Maybe he
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: doesn't have one.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: That would be a rarity, right, he is disputing the
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: fact that he owes liquidated damages and maybe and that's
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: why he didn't do it if it's in the contract.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: I promise you the University of Utah has enough people
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: who know how to read a contract that before any
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: of this happened before the first notice and the second
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: notice and the third notice and the fifth notice in
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: the collection's notice and the filing was sent out. I
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: promise they quadruple checked and said, yeah, he does owe
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: us this money, and it's not a punitive amount of
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: cash for an athletic department.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: The principle is.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Enough for me, and it's not. I'm not even mad
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: at Freddy Whittingham. I'm really not right. Could have just
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: been an omission, absolutely and understanding. This could be a
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: negligence thing, this could be whatever. I'm not even mad
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: at Jason Beck for leaving. I'm not mad at at
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: kuoit Mer Junior for leaving. I'm not mad at Lewis
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Powell for leaving. All right, that they can do what
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: they want to do. If Freddie wanted to leave, he's
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: following his brother.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: For hell's sake.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Any other coach in the business would have done the
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: same thing.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: But you can't be mad now that the university that
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: you run a contract with comes back and says, actually,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: you do us owe us this money. We're not just
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: going to be like high five, see you later. You
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: owe us money. You breached your contract. We did not
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: want you to leave. We did not want those players
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: to leave. Yeah, I guess we did want your brother
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: to leave. But that's our bad. These other guys who
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: went with you, we didn't want Jason Beck to leave
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: or Lewis.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Powell to leave.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Either, they're gone. They paid us, you're the only one
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: who didn't. That is the entirety of the issue.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: There's no more fine print to read if you would
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: have paid it.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: This story never happens, even with hey, you recruited players
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: that were supposed to be at the University of Utah,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Even with the hey, you never really sent us an
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: official resignation letter. Hey, you never actually got permission to
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: talk to the University of Michigan. Of course, nobody ever
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: does it the right way. When they're on their way
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: out the door, their agent calls, or somebody talks to
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: their best buddy, and then the best buddy calls them
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: or whatever. It's always some level of tampering. Schools don't
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: sue over that. If they get the money that is
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: owed to them in the contract, that's the end of it.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: The whole thing fired up today. Oh see, I can
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: tell this well.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: It just bothers me because it's we're two weeks ahead
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: of a football season and it's something. It's a non
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: football story. It's a contract story. Yeah, and I'll just
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: be clear about this too. The lawsuit was filed August third.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: It's just now coming to light. But yeah, that's the
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: whole problem with the perception. Thing is like it might
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: as well have been filed today. And guess what if
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: it was filed on August third. Michigan, with their forty
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: million dollar roster and their seven hundred million dollar athletic
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: department should have just been like, oh, our bad utah
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: sip through the cracks. Here's a check for one point
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: three or whatever it is. Let's make this go away.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: I don't want our guy to have to be distracted
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: by this.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: It's dumb that it's seventeen days.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: It's the filing, and it's not a There hasn't been
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: a quick settlement or anything that's come to light yet.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: But these things always get dragged out. I guess Ward
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Manual has a change jar in his office.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: That could pay this.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: You want it in pennies quarters, Nichols, I got you.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: You just have to roll it, all right. We're way
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: over time. It's gotta be a fun show. Like I said,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Adam Rittberg's gonna join us at noon, Devin Dan Pierre
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: at one, and next we'll talk a little Broncos football
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: with Riot Edwards, Denver, Broncos Insider. It's the Shaan O'Connell
• 35:40
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• 35:52
  Speaker 7: You're tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show for the Murdoch
• 35:55
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• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Have to have.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: College football season right around the corner.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: NFL season right around the corner here in Utah.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I don't have to tell a lot of you.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: The Broncos are often claimed as the de facto home squad.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Plenty of Broncos fans here. We check in on Broncos
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Country with Ryan Edwards, Broncos Insider, radio studio analysts.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Ryan, Welcome to the show.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: How are you.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: I'm doing great. Thanks for having me.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate you giving us some time.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Let's start with a recent signing for these Broncos, Taylor Rapp.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: They're adding to the safety room. Obviously, he's a guy
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: who's had some incredible career accomplishments so far as an
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: NFL player, But what does it say about the defense
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: and about that safety room in particular that they're adding
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: someone at this juncture.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, your starters are set for the Broncos,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: and I mean they're certainly a very deep team. But
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: that was kind of one of the positions for me
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: that we kept coming back to when we're having discussions
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: about what that was going to ultimately look like on
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: the fifty three man roster, because behind them you have
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Devin Key, who is an All Pro and special teams
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: last year, but not a lot of reps at safety,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: And of course you have two starting safeties that both
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: have had an injury history, So it's kind of like,
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: all right, we have two safeties that could well have
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: been hurt. And then behind them you have Devin Key,
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: you've got a draft pick and Miles Scott who is
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: a seventh rounder. You've got Jail Skinner who's in a
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: fourth year but only been a special teams guy. So
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: and they had Tyson Anderson in the offseason was from Cincinnati,
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: but he was also a special teams guy. So just
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: not a lot of proven talent behind them. So I
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: think for this team, with their aspirations, it made a
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: lot of sense to add a guy that has starting experience, and.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about those aspirations.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I think that you know, a lot of us thought
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: maybe their timeline would be a little bit slower, that
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: it might take bo Nicks and Company a little longer
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: to become a contender again in the AFC. And I
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but it
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: seems like they're, you know, foot on the gas pedal
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: right now, thinking that the super Bowl window is opening?
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Is is that where the aspirations lie for the Denver Broncos.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, it certainly should be right you were an
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: injured quarterback away from the super Bowl last year. And
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: not that repeating success is a guarantee in this league.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: We certainly see it all the time.
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: That is not.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: But they believe that the tea and this reason why
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: they brought back so many players. They believe the team
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: and the culture that they've built here is sustainable. And
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: they think a healthy bow Knicks in year three, maybe
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: even with it's a old tweaked to the play calling
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: let's just call it Dad Davis web now calling players
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: instead of Sean Payton, they think those are all the
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: reasons why this team can ultimately get over the hump
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: and maybe win one this year. You know, a lot
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: of people are predicting in the AFC West that they're
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: going to be the third place team, but they think
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: they're the team to beat. And honestly, after watching them
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: in training camp over the last few weeks, I could see.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Why the Davis web thing really fascinates me, partially because
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: it makes me feel old. It felt like not so
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: long ago I was covering him in college football. And
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: you know, Sean Payton has for years and years been
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: thought of as you know, one of the masterminds in
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: the NFL. And the acknowledgement, his personal acknowledgment that like, hey,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: maybe it's time to hand this off to somebody younger
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: is a conversation in and of itself. But you've got
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: a thirty one year old column plays for a Super
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Bowl contender, what we think might be a Super Bowl contender.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: It's just wild how the NFL is swinging so young
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: in some of these incredibly important positions.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Well, it really is, and I mean certainly caught some
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: of a off guard. You know, Sean's been saying things
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: like this for the last couple of years, where he
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: makes some references to driving in the rain at night,
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: and you know, just kind of like, hey, I'm not
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: as young as I used to be, and I certainly
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: see the end in some respects, especially in this case
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: of play calling. But I think that he's just a
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: spot now now where he brought in this new culture,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: it's a winning culture. He wants to be able to
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: focus on a lot of things. He's a teacher by nature.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: I mean when we see him out of practice, he
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: works with the defense, the offense, special teams. He loves
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: going over sort of the situational moments in games and
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: going to both sides of the ball and saying this
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: is what you need to accomplished, and then the other side, Okay,
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: I need you guys to do this. And so even
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: though he is a play caller on offense, he really
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: likes to be a coach of the team. So in
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: some ways this has been telegraphed, but still, you know,
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: he's considered still one of the best offensive minds in
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: the game. And to turnover play calling, especially after winning
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: fourteen regular season games last year and a postseason game,
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: was a bit surprising, But that's how highly they think
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: of Davis. Webb. Certainly, Davis had a lot of offers
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: interest excuse me, outside of outside Denver, and he decided
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: to come back and he was rewarded for it.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Part of the reason why I think so many people
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: here in Salt Lake City are interested in the Broncos,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: even if they're not your favorite NFL team, they have
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: a bunch of guys from maybe your favorite college team.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: We're the home of the Utes here and there's us
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: all up and down this roster. Garrett Bowles, of course,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: has been a massive staple for this Broncos offensive line
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: for a while. And then much further down the depth chart,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: you've got guys trying to make a roster. Caleb Lohner,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: who was a college basketball player, only played one year
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: at college football. Dallan Bentley was a surprise and a
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: revelation for people on this Utah football roster last year.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Kyries Rowan was a guy who spent some time here
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: in Salt Lake City. These these guys on the bubble
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: battling it out. Who's going to potentially make a roster,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: who's a practice squad guy who's going to be sent
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: there walking papers?
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Well, I can officially tell you that Garrett Bowles is
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: on this team. Okay, good whoever, whatever speculation is out there,
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: hopefully that doesn't break any hearts. No, he's been sensational
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: obviously since he got here. His drafted in the first round.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: You know, Tim Patrick was another guy that we had
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: here for quite some time that was a you know,
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: standout player and got a second contract. But yeah, you know,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: I I say, let's see here. You know, Dallon Bentley
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: I'd love to see make the roster, but it's it's
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of names in that room, including Caleb
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: b Loher. So you know, Kayla has been a little
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: banged up. He's been in a boot now for a
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: few weeks, so I would expect Caleb Bloher is probably
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: going to be shut down or they might put him
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: on short churm I R. They might try to find
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: a way to do that, but I you know, it
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: seems because of the names and the other guys that
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: they'd like to keep in that room that unfortunately for him,
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: he needs the rets. He needs the time. Sean Payton
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: was very complimentary of him in the offseason, but he
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: had some surgery and then he just hasn't been able
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: to get back on the field. But Dallan Bentley, I've
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: really liked what I've seen out him as a blocker,
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: hasn't gotten an opportunity yet as a receiver very much
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: in camp. I like his projection long term, but I
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: feel like because he's in the seventh round pick, they
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: might try to just put him on the practice squad
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: for a season. Maybe he's a call up if they
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: get injured. Because they also drafted another in Justin Joe Lee.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: And so because you drafted two tight ends, you have
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Evan Ingram, you have Adam Troutman, who you paid. You
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: have Nate Atkins who's kind of a you know, full
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: back slash tight end half back guy. So you know,
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: they have so many different guys that they'd like to
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: sort of keep here. I would think that the other guys,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: including Kyrie Roanner, are really kind of hoping to get
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: kind of a practice squad opportunity.
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Jonah Ellis, I think I hope is firmly on this
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: roster and a guy that, yeah, a guy that has.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Shown some flashes. What do you see his role being
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: this coming season?
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's great and he's gone. He's he's been one
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: of the standouts at camp, and that's not too much
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: of a surprise. It was a fascinating offseason for for
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Ellis because the discussion around him was like they were
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: thinking about moving him to the inside linebacker, the off
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: ball linebacker, and we kind of were like, man, he's
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: really good as an edge, Like why are we messing
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: with this thing? And then we get to OTA's and
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: we see him only lining up at edge, and then
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Sean Payton gets asked about it. He's like, now we
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: decided he's just too good there. We're gonna leave him there.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: So which is the right It's the right call. But
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: it was just fascinating because all the way back at
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: the owners meetings in like February and March, we were told, yeah,
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: we really want to get him on the field more
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: so we're thinking about putting him at inside linebacker, and
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: we were like, I mean maybe, but we'll see. So anyways,
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: he's predominant, he's an edge, and he's been even great
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: at edge. He's been phenomenal. He had a little bit
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: of an injury last year, but he feels like that's
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: all behind him. He's gonna be the third. He's the
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: third edge on this team right now. I mean, he's
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: the he's the next guy up. You know, Jonathan Cooper,
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: Nick Benito or your starters. They're certainly essential of a
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: suspension for Jonathan Cooper, though I wonder if that might
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: be kicked more to a next year conversation. But Jonathan Cooper,
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Nick Benina starters, and then Jonah Ellis is your third guy,
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: and he's earned it. He's been nothing phenomenal and I
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: expect a big year out of him.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: What about Karine Reid, He's a guy that we loved
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: here at the University of Utah. Yeah, he's he's kind
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: of old for being only two years in the league. Uh,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: and we see all these flashes and good things happen
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: in preseason games and then you know he bounces it
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: around on a practice squad or whatever else is what
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: is his future with this Broncos squad.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: I think he's one of their four. Honestly, he made
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: the fifty three man roster last year a little bit
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: of a surprise because I thought I think most of
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: us had Level Bailey pencils in there. But he broke
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: his leg this year, so he's no longer in the
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: running for that. They have added inside linebacker and Red
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Murdoch and Tory York this offseason and both of them
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: have had standout moments. I think Red Murdoch makes the
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: roster the draft pick He's he's been very good in camp.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: But I think Karine Reid because he just continues to
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: just be around the ball and make plays. He had
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: a hand in quite literally the sixth last week against
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: the falcon he tipped the ball to Joddy Baron who
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: returned it to the house. They really like him, They
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: like that he can play special teams as well. He's
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: just shown a lot of versatility for this roster. So yeah,
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: I think he's he's done everything he needs to do
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: and just continue to have a couple of nice preseason
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: games and I put him in right now. I've got
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: him as one of my four inside linebackers.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: What else are you looking for in this next preseason game?
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Which what's that tomorrow for the Broncos.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, tomorrow night. You know, I think we're we're
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: excited to see Bonus back out on the field a
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: little bit. I mean, certainly the health is the most
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: important thing, and in these preseason games, I mean it's
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: it's tune upright, it's it's exhibition, but you want to
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: see him get out there feeling comfortable. Maybe we'll see
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Jaylen Waddle as well. I doubt we'll see Marvin Mims,
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: but you know, we'll see you know, the compliment of players.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: The Broncos have been really banged up at center here
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: during camp. They're on like their fourth or fifth string
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: center who's going to be starting in front of Bonix.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: So I imagine that they're just gonna want to see
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: whatever they can out of him and then and then
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: get him out of there. I can continue to see
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: Jonah Coleman, who was out of Washington, who's had a
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: terrific camp, had a couple of nice runs there in
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: the Atlanta game. I think they want to continue to
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: see him just mature and play well because they really
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: believe in that running back room. We'll see if JK.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Dobbins plays it all.
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I think again, you just.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Kind of want to come out healthy. Defense looks looks
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: like they're ready to go already. The offense I think
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: is going to be more eyes on that, especially with
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: bo Nick's back out there.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Ryan as you handicap what we think this division looks like.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: I mean Jim Harbaugh will tell you that Justin Herbert
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: is the second coming of whatever.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Are the Chiefs still the Chiefs?
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Right? Are we going to see Fernanda Mendoza or Kirk
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Cousins more? What do you make of this division?
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, there's a lot of there's a lot
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: of good teams, a lot of your coaching, especially in
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: this division. I think, you know, he continues to be
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: like everybody believes the Chiefs are just going to bounce back,
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: and it might be a little bit of a more
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: of a ramp for Patrick Mahomes in the Chiefs. I
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: don't love all their offseason moves. I think that they've
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: got some holes still on that roster. So I'm not
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: completely buying them. And I'm not completely buying Patrick Mahomes's
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: back until i really see it for myself. So I'm
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: gonna wait on that one. I did like the Mike
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: McDaniel higher as an offensive coordinator for the Chargers, and
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: things's gonna help their run game a lot. But you're right,
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Jim Harbaugh is so positive about everybody,
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: so it's as tough to know, like what's the truth.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: But I think I think the Broncos are the team
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: to beat, you know, and it sounds homersh and I
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: mean whatever, but it's like, hey, man, you want it
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: last year, you want it, you know, convincingly. Let's let's
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: have everybody chase you. And I like to see the
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: Broncos in that position too. They're so used to being
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: the underdog, They're so used to being the team that
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: sneaks up on people. Now I think it's to be
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: kind of a front runner, you know, like what does
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: that look like? How how do they handle the pressure
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: of teams giving them their best shot. I'm fascinated to see.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: But I think the Broncos are the most complete team
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: in the NFL. They're the deepest team in the NFL
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: right now. Watching them in training camp, these practices, there's
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: just not a lot of holes in what they're doing
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: so help permitting. I like the Broncos chances and then
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: I think the Raiders you just kind of want to
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: see for a year what that looks like. I do
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: think they're improved. I think, you know, people are a
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: little more down Branda Mendoza than they should be, but
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins and Clint Khubiac, they'll be able to sort
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: of scratch out at least a better performance, but probably
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: still a year away from from n actual competition in
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: the division.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: The Broncos can't be the deepest, most complete team in
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: the NFL unless during camp they have influencers and TikTok
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: stars out canoodling with players like apparently.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Everyone else does. Who is who is the wag star
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: of Broncos camp?
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: If there is one?
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Oh boy, that's a great question that, you know, because
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: I tend to be a little more focusing on the
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: football staff.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Wait, Ryan, why why would you ever be focused in
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: on what you're actually supposed to be focused in on.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, it's it's weird, right, It's just maybe
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: it's a flaw, the personality flaw online. Yeah, And I
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: don't know, it's a good question. I mean, you know,
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: when we had Russell Wilson here, I mean, my god,
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: it was pretty easy with Sierra wandering around. But uh,
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't This is such a business like
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: operation that Sean runs. You know that there's a lot
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: of frills, it's all you know. When when practice ins,
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: we go from one standing spot that we're allowed to
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: be in to the other standing spot that the media
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: are allowed to be in, and when that session is
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: over with the pressers, then we go from that spot
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: to the next spot like it's it's all business. It's
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: it's designed that way. He got there and he said,
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: we're not going to be doing this kissing babies and
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: you know, extra stuff, and and he's he's really whittled
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: down a lot of the access as well. So you know, honestly,
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: it would be tough to know, like who you know
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: all the extra curriculars, because at this point, this team
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: just seems pretty locked in on what they're supposed to
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: be doing.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Football being about football weird. All right, Yeah, Ryan, appreciate
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: you giving us some time today. Enjoy the season. We'll
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: check in as soon as we can, all.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, anytime, Thanks guys.
• 51:15
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• 51:20
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  Speaker 1: James, what does that leaderboard look like?
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, as you said, we're in the FedEx Cup playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: This is this is like the twelfth Major. Oh see,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: like this is this is so big? No, I kid,
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  Speaker 2: It is a big deal on the PGA Tour for sure,
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  Speaker 2: not as big a deal as the majors in golf.
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  Speaker 4: Gary Woodland as your leader.
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  Speaker 2: He's three shots up at six under on Justin Thomas,
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: who's tied for second. Rio Hussatsune Sung j M also
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  Speaker 2: tied for second, Aaron Raye and Colin Murray Kawa are
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  Speaker 2: in a group tied for fifth at two to under,
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  Speaker 2: four shots off the lead, and that that rounds out
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: your top ten. Xanders Shoffley's in that giant group at
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: two under as well. And then because this is the
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: second leg of the FedEx Cup Championship, I'll update you
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: on the FedEx Cup standings. Scotty Scheffler, surprise, surprise, is
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: leading overall and the FedEx Cup standings not among the
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: leaders in this group. And as we saw last yearro
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: see there were tournaments where players because they have enough
• 54:28
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• 54:33
  Speaker 2: if you will. There were players that just skip some
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: of these playoff tournaments. So that could be the case
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: for Scotty Scheffler. I don't know kind of the quirky
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  Speaker 2: thing about this FedEx Cup Championship, but he's your leader
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  Speaker 2: The Shan O'Connell Show. ESPN seven hundred and ninety TWOFM.
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  Speaker 7: It's the Sean O'Connell Show. You were home of the
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  Speaker 7: from the Murdoch Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred and
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  Speaker 7: ninety two to one a f am.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome in Adam Rittenberg, my friend, senior college football insider
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  Speaker 2: and writer over at ESPN. At ESPN Rittenberg, if you're
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  Speaker 2: not already following him on the tweet machine, Adam, welcome
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  Speaker 2: back to the show.
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  Speaker 1: How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing great. How you doing?
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  Speaker 5: Brother?
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  Speaker 1: Doing awesome?
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  Speaker 8: Man.
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  Speaker 2: We're two weeks away from Utah football season kicking off,
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  Speaker 2: and even sooner when we have those week zero games
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  Speaker 2: coming up, So we get to stop with all these
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  Speaker 2: kind of dumb legal stories that are dominating the offseason
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  Speaker 2: and get to real football.
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  Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, get me too. It's a season, obviously, that has
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: contained a lot of that type of news, whether it's
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: the you know, individual player eligibility cases and the injunctions
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: that have gone on, or the attempt to get a
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: lot of bill pass through Congress. Yeah, you know, it's
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  Speaker 5: it's a different sport certainly than the one I started covering.
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  Speaker 5: But the one thing that doesn't change is the excitement
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  Speaker 5: at this time of year, rightfully so for the for
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: the games and the teams and the coaches and everything
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  Speaker 5: that we actually love about college football, which is now
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: only a few days away.
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  Speaker 2: Relative to those individual eligibility cases and you know, players
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: seeking and apparently in some cases being granted a surprise
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: fifth year of eligibility, how do the coaches that you've
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  Speaker 2: talked to about this feel about, you know, another layer
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  Speaker 2: being added to the mix. I imagine is there some
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  Speaker 2: who need a little help on the offensive line or
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  Speaker 2: the linebacker room or whatever they might be relieved by this.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know if that's a universal opinion or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: What have the coaches been.
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  Speaker 5: Saying, well, yeah, yeah, I think on the whole they
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: loop all this in with the same you kind of
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: chaotic existence and environment that we have right now in
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: college football. But at the same time you have some
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: of them they're saying, hey, we could use you know
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: that that player who was cut from an NFL roster,
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: or hey we've got a hole it's safety because of
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: an injury or you know, these guys just aren't performing.
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: And so, you know, on the one hand, I think,
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: you know, globally they realize it's not good, but it
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: also is something that can help them individually. And this
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: sport has always been driven by self interest and not necessarily.
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  Speaker 3: What's good for everyone.
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  Speaker 5: And and so that's why, you know, I get with
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  Speaker 5: their the some of the things they're saying about about
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  Speaker 5: why this is bad. But at the same time, you know, everyone.
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  Speaker 3: Could also just not take these players, and you know
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  Speaker 3: that's not going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: The University of Utah back in the headlines today for
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  Speaker 2: a reason that not a lot of us wanted them
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  Speaker 2: to be. They're a lawsuit being filed by the university
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  Speaker 2: against former tight ends coach Freddie Whittingham, who of course
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  Speaker 2: is the brother of former head coach Kyle Whittingham. Both
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  Speaker 2: Kyle and Freddie are at Michigan now, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's a breach of contract with damages kind of a
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  Speaker 2: situation going on here. Notably, Freddie is the only former
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  Speaker 2: Utah coach that did not settle up, did not pay
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  Speaker 2: the damages for leaving his contract at the University of
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Utah and that's why this lawsuit is happening.
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  Speaker 1: But I wanted your perspective on this. I don't pretend
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  Speaker 1: I'm not too close to this.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's a certain contingent of the fan base
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: here that's like, can we just stop and just let
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: this stuff go away? But you know, what are your
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  Speaker 2: thoughts on a lawsuit between Utah and Freddie Whittingham.
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  Speaker 5: It's certainly unfortunate, just because I keep coming back to
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  Speaker 5: the Winningham name and the success that both Kyle and
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  Speaker 5: Freddy had at Utah for many years, and the longevity
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  Speaker 5: and just the legacy that they'll leave there, and you know,
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  Speaker 5: nothing like this is going to tarnish that. But it
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: certainly strained the relationship between the university and the Winningham family,
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: which is obviously that's been something that's come up here
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  Speaker 5: quite a bit since the end of last season. A
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: certain part of me is like, yeah, just move on.
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  Speaker 5: You know, this is not not an insignificant amount of money,
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  Speaker 5: but it's certainly not you know, hundreds of millions of
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  Speaker 5: dollars tens of millions of dollars that are at stake.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, legally, Utah does feel it's entitled to
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  Speaker 5: some compensation for the way that he left and and
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: some of the steps that you're supposed to take when
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: you leave one job for another that it's alleging Freddie
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  Speaker 5: Winningham didn't take. So from a legal perspective, I get it,
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: you know, is it really necessary? I think that's the
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: case that we that's the thing we always always ask
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: when it comes to legal proceedings. That's certainly up for debate,
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  Speaker 5: but you know, we'll see where this ends up going.
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  Speaker 5: It's just it's just unfortunate because, uh, you know, Kyle
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  Speaker 5: winning Him is an incredible coach and I think Utah
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  Speaker 5: fans recognize that and certainly want to celebrate him, and
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: you know, these things make make that relagenhip a little
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  Speaker 5: bit more strained.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's it seems like it's going to come out
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  Speaker 2: to like a million a million and a half dollars here, which,
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  Speaker 2: uh for you or me, that's a lot of money
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  Speaker 2: for an athletic department in power for football Now that's
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: you know that that's that you spend that on styrofoam cups. So, uh,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: when you look at it from the financial perspective, there's
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: two different ways I think you could view it. You
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: got to maximize every dollar you can right now in
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: a very expensive landscape. But also, like you just mentioned
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  Speaker 2: and that we talked about on the show earlier, right,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: it's it's further straining the whole Witningham Utah thing. And
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: is it, you know, worth the pr battle even if
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  Speaker 2: you have to eat the million dollars or whatever because
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  Speaker 2: it's a public university, does the athletic department even get
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  Speaker 2: to make that call? Or does it the state auditor
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  Speaker 2: come down and eventually forced this? I mean, is it
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  Speaker 2: worth it over what is in the grand scheme of
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: college football a pretty small, insignificant amount of.
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  Speaker 5: Money, right, you know, it's somewhat of a drop in
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: the bucket. But I think you're, like, your point is
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  Speaker 5: really important that every state is different and who is
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  Speaker 5: really making news decisions? Could it be coming from the
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  Speaker 5: university level, could it be coming from the state level.
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  Speaker 5: There's also precedent, which is something that we've all dealt
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  Speaker 5: with in our jobs. You know, whether we want something
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  Speaker 5: or feel we're entitled to something. Well, if we gave
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: you that, it would set president well. In this case,
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure there's some of UTA's folks are saying, hey,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: if we just let the slide. What's going to stop
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: the next assistant or coordinator or maybe even head coach
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  Speaker 5: from leaving without you know, following these steps and at
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: least giving us a chance to talk to you or
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: do what needs to be done to create a more
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: graceful exit. So yeah, clearly there's a motion involved here. Again,
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  Speaker 5: I just keep coming back to the unfortunate nature of
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  Speaker 5: it because of what that family, and certainly Kyle in particular,
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  Speaker 5: did for Utah.
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  Speaker 2: Adam Rittenberg is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell
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  Speaker 2: Scholl talking all things college football. You wrote an excellent
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  Speaker 2: piece for ESPN about one of our favorite guys, even
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: though he's at the hated rival. Kalani Satake is, like
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: mentioned in your article, everyone's favorite guy. He's everyone's favorite coach.
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  Speaker 2: He is awesome as a human being, as a football
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  Speaker 2: coach everywhere. I love that your article shine a light
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  Speaker 2: on that. Why was this the angle taken? It's a
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  Speaker 2: fascinating time at BYU, it's a fascinating time in college
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  Speaker 2: football in general.
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  Speaker 1: Why was his popularity, for lack of a better term,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: the focus of the article.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think it started with just what you outlined.
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  Speaker 5: Oh see as far as is how he's viewed among
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  Speaker 5: his peers. And I think if there was one relationship
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  Speaker 5: that jumped out to me the most, it would be
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 5: his friendship with Joey Maguire fits Tech and you've seen
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: them interact before Huge Games and had other Big twelve
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  Speaker 5: function and it's like, man, that's the dude.
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  Speaker 3: You got to be like, why are you budding up
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  Speaker 3: to that guy?
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  Speaker 5: And that's just Killanie and that's how he is. And
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: you know, in spending time out there in April, we
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: talked about that and it trades back to Lavell Edwards
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  Speaker 5: and how he is this way in part because of
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: who he is and how he's wired, but also because
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: of his coach and how Lavelle Lavell Edwards was with
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: his peers as the longtime coach at b YU and
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: after everything that happened, you know, it's Kilanie almost leaving
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: and and then you know coming back, and we talked
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: about the legacy that he wants to continue to build
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: there and obviously have these friendships with coaches and not
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: make it bitter at least before games start and end.
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  Speaker 5: But but also ultimately he chased what Lavell Edwards accomplished,
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  Speaker 5: which is elevating BYU back into the national conversation. And
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: they've been right there, you know, with twenty three wins
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  Speaker 5: the last two years of the only team that's won
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: that many games that hasn't made the college football playoffs.
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  Speaker 5: So that's where BYU is. And so it's a lot
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: about the legacy that he wants to leave and his
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: connections to Lavelle Edwards. But yeah, you just won't find
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  Speaker 5: a more popular coach, especially at his own conference, than
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: Kilanie is at BYU.
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  Speaker 2: This might be a dumb question, but why is that
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  Speaker 2: so rare in college football? Like, I mean, I get it,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: there's one hundred and thirty five different personalities and things
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: like that, but he is an outlier. And I'm glad
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: that you mentioned Lavelle's impact on the way Kilanie is
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: because I think that's an important part at least of
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: the history of football in our state. But you know,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: like it seems like other guys could afford to be
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: more this way, and there's a lot of standoffishness and
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: caginess and things like that. Not that college coaches aren't
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: nice or cool or whatever, but I mean, why is
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: he such an outlier?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I will say this.
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  Speaker 5: I think there's more summiness than people recognize. You know,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: the s you see coaches that talked about this a
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: little bit, you know, Kirby Smart, you talk about the
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: text chain that they all are on, and I think
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: there is more of that than that maybe comes out publicly.
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  Speaker 5: But a lot of it is the fact that, you know,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: you have these fan bases that they represent that don't
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: want to see them interacting nicely with the rival. And
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: there's so much more that's on camera now there's social
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: media and hey, I saw so and so, you know
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: down here and they're playing golf together.
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  Speaker 3: What's going on?
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: And I think more coaches would and they do get along.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: You're better behind the scenes, we just don't see it.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: I think with Kilani, his point to me was, listen,
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  Speaker 5: I can't hide that like that. There's lying about the
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: you know, the fan of me comes out before I
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: played it Yu, before I played for Lavell, I was
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: a football fan and I'm not going to suppress that
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  Speaker 5: when I'm around other coaches. And I do think it
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  Speaker 5: points to Kilane knowing who he is and not trying
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  Speaker 5: to change that because of his position and because of
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 5: the money, and because of the attention, I think some
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: coaches have to suppress that or have a hard time,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: you know, kind of showing who they are with their
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: peers in public because they're worried about how it's gonna
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: look to a fan base. I don't think Klana cares
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: about that, and I think that's something that certainly is great.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: And I will say this, I think there's a better
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: vibe among the current Big twelve coaches than maybe any
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 5: group in the country. There's a pretty good one at AHC.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: I was at ATC media days. I won't say the coaches,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: but we were out one night having some beers with
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: two coaches that obviously you have to play each other
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: now and then in that league and their friends. And
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: that is the case more often than maybe the public realizes.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: But I think Kilane takes it to another level at BYU.
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  Speaker 2: I mean of when your article, your feel good article
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: about Klan Satake came out, was very interesting here locally
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: because of the storyline that maybe there's a bit of
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: a feud internally developing between between Kilani and Brian Santiago,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: who is the athletic director at the University of Utah,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: and I want to be fair to both parties and
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: say that neither of them have characterized it that way,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: but that is the perception that maybe there's some tension
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: on unfulfilled promises and things like that. And then you know,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: we're getting local stories about that, and then ESPN article
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: drops about how everyone in the world can get along
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: with Koalani Satake. Everyone loves Klani Satake, And if you're
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: in the Santiago camp, you're probably just like, oh me, like,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: give me a break.
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  Speaker 4: We get it.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: He's universally loved. What is your perception of that dynamic
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: and that relationship and what you know about you know,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: the brewing subplot at by you.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, No, it's interesting because full fanspantency. I did by
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: reporting in April, so I wasn't on the ground as
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: much leading up to what happened there and obviously the
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 5: story running, but following it, and you know, when I
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: was there, not not that everything is perfect all the time,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: but it certainly seemed like like like things were on
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: a good trajectory. But I'll say this in talking about
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: Kilanie and Brian, you know they they they both kind
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: of gave their visions for what you know, the next
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: steps were and it wasn't just about like, oh, we.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: Need more money to make this work.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: It's it's having people in certain areas. It's it's elevating
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 5: and beefing up the depths in certain departments. It's you know, Kilanie,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 5: you know told me flat out. It's like it was
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: completely about the money I'd be at Penn State. So
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: it's interesting that this has come out and you know
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 5: what was agreed upon, what was put into writing, what
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: hasn't been delivered yet. You know, clearly there's tension there.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: I think his answers about both the sources and his
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: relationship with Brian are telling that things aren't all great.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 5: Doesn't mean it can't be repaired, but it's something to watch.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: Oh see, you know, just as I do.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: If Kline continues to win, and I think he's going
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 5: to Penn State will not be the last team that
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 5: wants to hire him as a head coach. Other teams
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: are going to keep coming after him, and he's going
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: to have to keep telling them no. If he feels
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: good about things at BYU, and if he doesn't, he
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 5: probably will walk out the door one day, which would
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: certainly be a real blow for BYU because of his
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: success and what he means to the program. So it's
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: an important time, just as it was last you know,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: around December first, when everything was seemingly going down with
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: Penn State. It's an important time to get things right
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: from an alignment standpoint, which doesn't seem to be the
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: case right now.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were this close in Utah to having changing
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: the guard at the University of Utah after twenty one years,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: changing the guard at BYU after a decade. I mean
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: that would have been even wilder than the off season
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: already was swinging the focus back to our flagship partner
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: or the home of the youths here on ESPN seven hundred,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: Morgan Scalley taking over. He was the acting head coach
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: for the bowl game, so he's one to zero as
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: the head coach so far. But this was his first
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: spring ball in his first offseason program, and now we're
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: in the middle of his first full fall camp. As
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: a national viewpoint, as someone who covers every conference in
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: the game all across the nation, what are your expectations
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: for Morgan Scalley's Utah football program.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: Well, on that same trip, I spend time with Morgan
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 5: and Utah, and we talked a lot about you know, again,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: there's only one step to take now, and that's to
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: make the playoffs, and so it's not to go the
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: other way. And that's certainly his hope and his expectation
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 5: and the type of program he's trying to build. And
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: it'll be really interesting to see if they can do
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: it right, especially in this first year, because they still
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: have some really good players left over, obviously Devin Dampier
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: at quarterback, They've got their running back coming back, They've got,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: you know, always some solid players on the defensive side
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: that was able to watch practice and visit with. But
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: you know, that next step is really difficult, especially amid
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 5: a transition even from somebody who obviously like Kyle to
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: his protege and Morgan, who everybody knows and has a
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: lot of respect for them. So I'm really interested to
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 5: see how it goes down this year because they're not
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: being talked about, you know, like by U in Texas
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 5: Tech and some of the other contenders in the Big Twelve,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 5: but Utah has shown that they should be in that conversation.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 5: And you know, if if you know, things go right
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 5: and stay healthy. Offensive line obviously a big question mark
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 5: going into the year with so many new players. But
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: if that group is strong and they can build off
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 5: of the success last year with the MPER, I think
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: that they can, you know, be one of those other
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 5: contending teams in the Big Twelve. But I think the
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 5: big picture from Morgan is how do I take this
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 5: step this program one step further to make it a
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 5: playoff team, because that's really the only thing hasn't accomplished.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: How many other teams are flirting seriously or are moving
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: forward with private equity partnerships in their athletic department, and
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: of course every athletic department centers mostly around football. Obviously,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: Utah took this step last year. We got the announcement
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: at the end of the year, I should say last year,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: and you know it's fully ratified and now Crimson Brand
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: Partners is an actual functioning body.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: It's a real thing.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: How many other programs around the country are taking these steps, well,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: There's certainly efforts being put into exploring whether it's right.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 5: Every school is different, as you know, especially public schools
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: have to decide if they want to go down that road.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: But you know, everyone in the country is looking for
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: money because of what it's cost to put together football
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: rosters and basketball rosters and to keep coaches and hire
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 5: new coaches. So it's definitely, you know, an option for you.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: Know, the Big Ten.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: You know nearly went through with it last year, had
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 5: a couple of holdouts in Michigan and USC and then
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: that's kind of been put on hold for now as
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: a as a league wide private equity approach, but it's
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: certainly something that athletic directors and university presidents are considering.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: Adam Rittenberg for another couple of minutes here on the
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell show, Talk at All Things Utah Football, touched
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: on some BYU football, this Big Twelve conference on a
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: national landscape.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: It's funny because this is like publication season.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: This is when you get preseason watch lists, and when
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: you get these are the top one hundred players in
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: college football or the top one fifty, or these are
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: the forty most important transfers and things like that, and
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: the Big Twelve in every one of these lists and
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: compiled sort of thought processes, is woefully underrepresented, in my opinion,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: or they're completely absent until you get down to the
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: mid range of elite players, And I'm not saying that
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: it's incorrect because obviously the big money is being spent elsewhere,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: and big time players are following the big money right now.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: How much a problem do you think that is for
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: the Big Twelve as the season starts to play out
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: in just a couple of weeks, Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I think there's you know, you look at you look
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: at who's coming back in the conference, and there's a
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: lot of new cornerbacks and you know, they they've they've
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: had some good players transfer out to other teams, especially
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 5: in the Big Ten and the SEC, but there's still
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: a lot of talent in this league. I think it's
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 5: just a matter of figuring out.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: You know, for years, the Big.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: Twelves identity with offense and exciting, tempo based, high scoring games.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: You know that that shifted a bit.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 5: There's still teams that will put up points, but it's
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 5: much more of a all fleegue, a league that plays
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 5: defense and obviously has to recruit and develop at at.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: A high level and ultimately, you know, keep good players.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: I think that was one of the stories in talking
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 5: to both the BYU folks in particular, but also Utah,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: like how do you keep these guys, the guys that
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: you've have, you identified and you developed into desirable players,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 5: and both those schools were able to do that. I
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: think that's important to watch. Texas Tech has been.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: Really good in the portal the last few years.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 5: You know, Oklahoma State. I'm very interested to see what
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 5: Eric Morris can do there bringing in the group that
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: he did from North Texas. I think CCUS, you know,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 5: kind of a sneaky good team. Houston quietly won ten
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 5: games last year, so there are there's quite a lot
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 5: of depth at the top of the Big Twelve, but
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: it's something that they have to be you know, Tungners
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 5: is do we have the top end talented quarterback? Are
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 5: we keeping the best players in this conference? Or and
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 5: then financially, are we able to keep up as much
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: as we can with leagues that just have a lot
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: more resources than we do.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: Speaking of resources, the arms race is escalated rapidly. You know,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: it seems like it was only months ago that Kyle
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: Whittingham was warning saying, Hey, if there's no safeguards put
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: in place, we're going to be talking about forty and
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: fifty million dollars rosters, and then forty and fifty million
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: dollar rosters, well forty million dollar rosters being reported around
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: college football for the top of the top. Obviously, there
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: are you know, certain mechanisms put in place, or they're
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: attempting to put certain mechanisms in place. Government intervention being
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: asked for to try to put a cap, like a
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: real hard cap on things. Where are we with the
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: Protect College Sports Act and some of these other measures
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: that might slow down the arms race that so many teams,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: especially in the Big Twelve, are having a hard time
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: keeping up with.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 5: You know, I think it just depends on what happens when,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: when when the recess ends, and where that act falls
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 5: in the priority list. You know, I would think that
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: the first, you know, fifteen to thirty days after the
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 5: session resumes are really important because the closer that we
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 5: get to midterm elections, there's just a lot more things
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: going on, a lot more priorities outside of college athletics
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: that that those lawmakers are are dealing with. So, you know,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 5: it's a pretty critical time or if that bill is
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 5: even gonna happen. I think back to what Tony Battiti,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 5: the Big Ten commissioner, said at Media Days last month
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: here in Chicago, which was Hey, if it doesn't work,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 5: we've got to work together as conferences to try to
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 5: come up with something or you know, or start figuring
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 5: out do we make our rules you know in the
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 5: Big ten and the SEC doesn't mean we won't play
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 5: each other. But they're given the amount of time and
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 5: effort and money that's been put in to this bill,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 5: it would be a big disappointment if if they can't
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: have anything go to a vote here, you know, relatively
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 5: soon after session zooms.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: I know that these uh thoughts change and evolve as
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: we get to see more of the football product. But
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: based on the knowledge we have in the preseason, how
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: many national championship contenders are there in college football this year?
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the number probably ends around you know,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 5: eight or nine, which is certainly better than it used
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 5: to be. I look at I look at in the
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 5: Big Ten, you've got three. You've got Ohio State, Oregon,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 5: and Indiana. I think Notre Dame is absolutely a national
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 5: Stamates of contender. I think Miami is a national Stamdmas
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 5: of contender. You know, in the Big twelve, we'll see
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 5: you know right now, you know with Texas Tech, uh,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 5: you know, having a quarterback that they like, but certainly
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 5: wasn't their preferred option going into the season after last year.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: Can't be written off. But you know, a team that
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: has some curiosity in my view, I think the Uyus,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 5: you know, right there and then and then acc wise
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 5: beyond Miami, is it is it Louisville, is it SMU?
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 5: Is there a surprise team or two? SBC wise, you know,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 5: I think Georgia and Texas are the teams that you
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 5: start off with, but I'm really interested to see how
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: good Ole Miss can be coming off of the year
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: that it had with arguably the best backfield in the
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 5: country in Trinidad Chambliss and Kewan Lacey. And then you
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 5: obviously laying at LSU, and then some of the playoff
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: teams that returned last year but have some question marks,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 5: and at Texas, A and m Alabama, Oklahoma all teams
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: that could get to the playoffs, but if they want
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 5: to really contend nationally, they're going to have to address
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: some areas, especially Alabama and Oklahoma well from a run
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 5: game standpoint, So I think it's probably you know, seven,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: eight teams maybe nine that are in that conversation. But
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: you know, we didn't see Indiana coming a couple of
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 5: years ago, so there could be some real surprises as well.
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  Speaker 2: That is true, Adam, continue to keep up the great work.
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  Speaker 2: We appreciate everything you, right. It gives me a ton
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  Speaker 2: of material for my show and especially for jumping on today.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:20:01
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  Speaker 2: for you, James, have you had the pleasure of doing
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  Speaker 2: a pregame meal or a press meal in the Lavelle
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  Speaker 2: Edward Stadium press box. I have not, but not specifically
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  Speaker 2: in that press box. But I have had plenty of
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  Speaker 2: meal in the press area. If not a press box, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: So I gotta give credit where it's due. If there
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  Speaker 2: is a better pregame press meal than the one at
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  Speaker 4: Is it is it always great food?
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  Speaker 1: It's great food. It's Tocanos? Is it always Tocano's?
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  Speaker 2: It's always. Every time I've been there, it's been to
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  Speaker 2: fan experience that you're building up to. Is to Cono's
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  Speaker 2: every time I've been there. If they do anything else ever,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. But every time I've been to a
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  Speaker 2: game there, it's Tocano's and it's good. Yeah, that's that's
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  Speaker 2: like really good food, really high quality media food. Absolutely
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  Speaker 2: excellent food. Right And and by the way, there's a
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  Speaker 2: sliding scale. Some places it's great, some places it's not
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  Speaker 2: so great. We are lucky here in the state of
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  Speaker 2: Utah with our press meals. Rice Eycle Stadium does a
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  Speaker 2: good job. The Delta Center for Mammoth or for Jazz
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  Speaker 2: incredible food options UH down at BYU for the BYU
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  Speaker 2: football games. In that press box, it's it's Sharrosco. Man,
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  Speaker 2: it's as good as it gets. Now, there's a limit,
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  Speaker 2: So what I am willing to sacrifice for the enjoyment
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  Speaker 2: even of a Tocano's meal, which is where this fan
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  Speaker 2: experience being offered by BYU Athletics right now comes in
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  Speaker 1: I haven't been to any I've been to Rhodiesio lately.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't been to Toakano's lately. I haven't been to
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  Speaker 1: Brazil lately. But you know the full all you can
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  Speaker 1: eat choascurrilla. That's a that's a hefty meal. That's a
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  Speaker 1: heavy meal. That's I keep it on green the whole time.
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting the fried bananas, I'm getting the glazed pineapple,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: getting meat sweats from that meal. I'm leaving with meat
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: sweats and a distended belly. Very certainly, but it's not all.
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  Speaker 4: It's all.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad you mentioned the grilled pineapple and the other
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  Speaker 2: fruit that they give you to it's not it's not
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  Speaker 2: all meat, but it's it's a lot of meat. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'll pay one hundred bucks for that. What I will
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  Speaker 2: not pay is eight hundred and two dollars for this experience.
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  Speaker 2: That is what BYU Athletics is asking right now for
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  Speaker 2: a press box pregame meal experience in the Notre Dame week.
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  Speaker 2: Fans can go right now to BYU cougars dot com.
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  Speaker 2: You can click on the link for the press box
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  Speaker 2: pregame meal against Notre Dame. You can pay eight hundred
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  Speaker 2: and two dollars and fifteen cents to come sit next
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  Speaker 2: to me and James Peterson and have to Kano's beef
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  Speaker 2: and some fijuata and they don't have the grilled pineapple
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  Speaker 2: usually because that's a really hard thing to cater.
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  Speaker 1: It's gotta be fresh. Yeah, sure the bummer though.
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  Speaker 2: For for the low low price of eight hundred and
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  Speaker 2: two dollars, you could come sit with the cantankerous grumps,
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  Speaker 2: your favorite people in the world, the sports media, the
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  Speaker 2: sports media, yeah, before the Notre Dame game.
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  Speaker 4: So hold on though, is that is that what this is?
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  Speaker 2: You get to like this this is served while the
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  Speaker 2: media is eating the food or is this before? Like
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  Speaker 2: press box is empty? Before the press gets there, or
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  Speaker 2: is this wow like amongst the media? Yeah, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 2: It's it's funny they didn't say anything about. Also, they're
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  Speaker 2: saying the game day operation screw they'd say anything about,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: you know on three BYU blogger and Sean O'Connell radio
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: host at some of the other this is on media interesting.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: Would this be a fun experience for a random BYU
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: fan or a group of BYU fans, or maybe you
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: have like a high school BYU fan who wants to
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: be the play by play voice someday, wants to be
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: a writer someday. Absolutely, this is cool For eight hundred
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: and two dollars is per person?
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: Whoever put the prices on these fan experiences, and there's
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: dozens of them available?
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  Speaker 4: Okay? Front row access to the Cougar Walk, So the
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: Cougar Walk is free. All right?
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: You line up in the tailgate area at Lavelle Edwards Stadium.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: What do they call it, Graham Canyon? What do they
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: call that, Cougar Canyon? I think it might be Cougar
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: Canyon eight seven seven three five three zero seven, Canyon.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: Victory or whatever they call it. Yeah, it's cool, like
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: it's a little game day setup, right.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: The team walks through and people line up, the kids
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: reach out, the players give them high five. You can
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: now pay for access to front row, so they are
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: selling the ability for you to be the first ones
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: when the players get off the bus and to be
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: front row.
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  Speaker 1: So the players kind of have to give you high five.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: They're selling that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm using Notre Dame because Notre Dame is the big
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: ticket item on all these for three hundred and twenty
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: two dollars. You can stand closer to the bus than
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: all the people.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: Doing it for free.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on a second, though, you said this is free
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: cougar walk, they also have somewhere else on here where
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: it's just joined the cougar Walk.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: It's not front row cougar walk. So it so is
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: that not free anymore? Is that what you're saying?
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 5: No?
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: No, I think join the Cougar Walk.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: Comes with your game ticket or something.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: Experience game day like a BYU football player with the
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: exclusive opportunity to join the cougar walks. So you get
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: to wall off with the players, like behind the players,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: not not lined up like a parade, like on a
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: parade route. Gotcha, that's how much? Still free? Guess how
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: much that's gonna cost you? During during Notre Dame Week,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: I have Utah Tech pulled up because that's a bigger
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: game everyone knows. Okay, So I'm gonna say, based on
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: the Utah Tech price I'm seeing, I'm gonna say six
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars, it's two dollars. Oh my gosh, that's to
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: walk behind the team after I mean, uh, okay, pregame
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: on field photo shoot, which has been happening for the
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: VIPs for the my cousin knows a coach like this
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: is the stuff, like you're a high school recruit, that's
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: you're a donor whatever. These have been happening for years
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: and years and years. Pregame on field photo shoot again,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame Week. Four hundred and eighty two dollars per person.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: Pregame Sideline Experience Notre Dame Week. That's the expensive one,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: one thousand, six hundred and two dollars and forty five cents.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: Here's what you get.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: Watch team warmups from the sidelines, and finish with an
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: exclusive on field fifty yard line photo before the game begins.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: Again. This is awesome if you're a.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: BYU football fan, if you're a Utah football fan, if
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: you're a Notre Dame football fan, To be on the
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: field on game day as the stadium's filling up, waking
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: up to see the warm ups, to get close to it,
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: it is really really cool. It is a privilege that
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: has never lost on me. I've been doing this for
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: years and years and years now. It is wonderful to
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: get that perspective.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: It truly is.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: I'm not making fun of anyone who wants to do
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: this I am making fun of whoever set the prices
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: for this. Absolutely try to capitalize on this, make a
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: little bit of money with this, like you've been doing
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: for years. You've been encouraging donors. Hey, can you give us,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: you know, ten grand to endow scholarship, Can you give us?
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: Can you give it?
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: You can bring your whole dang family down. And they've
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: been getting to do this for a long time now
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: they're just trying to sell it to the average fan.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: Sixteen hundred dollars of person to walk on the sideline
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: for fifteen minutes.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: Well, the game isn't even happening.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: I will say this, there's the third quarter break sideline access.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: That's the other sideline access that you have. You have
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: a pregame one, and then when between the third and
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: fourth quarters, I will say that that those are the
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: things that I think are what I would pay the
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: most for is to be on the field when somewhat
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: meaningful stuff is happening. The pregame one comes with that
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: photo of you on the field. I'm with you in
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: The price is still way too high, but at least
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: that's something that goes oh yeah, that's that is probably
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: a premium price I can believe that.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, this one, I'll finish with this again.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: I am making fun of the prices, not the fact
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: that you are trying to monetize this BYU.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: And not the experience either. All of these are cool. Sure,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame week.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: You can have an in seat visit from Cosmo, who
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: is Let's be honest, he is among the five most
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: legendary college mascots in the game right now.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: Cosmo is really good.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: He is.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: If he was a pro team mascot, he'd be one
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: of the considered one of the best mascots in the country.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 4: Probably, if we're being honest.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: Cosmo, whoever is in that Cosmo suit year after year
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: after year at BYU, is more athletic than fifty percent
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: of the football team. Cosmo, the people in the Cosmo suit,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: the breakdancing, and the pushups, like the high volume pushups
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: where they climb a ladder of tape, the pushups like
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: there's a serious athlete in this costume every single yearly right,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: if you're if you're Kalani Satake, you should do one
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: game or Cosmo pulls the hat off, puts a helmet on,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: and suits up and plays because that person is a
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: great athlete, let him run down on kickoff or something.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: A seat visit from Cosmo for the Notre Dame game,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: meaning you receive a special game day visit from Cosmo
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: for photos, high fives, and unforgettable fun at your seats, which,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: of course is the same thing that mascots do in
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: every arena, in every stadium organically throughout the course of
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: the season, at every single game is unforgettable fun. A
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: competitor to Silly String, I've never heard of that brand that. Look,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: if Cosmo is gonna if for the price that they
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: are asking for the Notre Dame game, I want Cosmo
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: to bring me his actual cougar tail, okay, and he's
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: got a take off his head where there. I've got
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: to know who Cosmo is for that price? How much
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: do you think it costs to have Cosmo the Cougar
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: come and pay an impromptu visit to you in your
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: seats that, by the way, you have to pay for
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: not included in any of these ticket prices, these experienced prices.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: Your game tickets are not included. So you have to
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: have a ticket to the game, and on top of that,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: you have to pay for the fan experiences. How much
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: do you think it costs to have Cosmo show up
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: at your seat, which, by the way, you pay for
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: and then the seventeen people around you also get.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: The same thing for free, which is great. But how
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: much you think it costs?
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: James?
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: Well, that's when that's when you say, Okay, you guys
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: aren't this isn't a free ride.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 4: You guys all got a Vendmo meent a few bucks
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: here to help with cash?
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: Some cash?
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: No, uh, I'll tell you I would pay zero.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: But if you're telling me that I had to pay
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: and I really wanted this, right or my kids really
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: wanted this, huh, I would pay like ten bucks. Okay,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: how much do you think they are asking?
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: They're asking for way more than that, notre dame.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: We I mean, I don't I don't actually believe this,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: but like it's probably the eight ZHO two that they're
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: charging so many other things that'd be nice, James, wouldn't
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: that be wonderful more than that three thousand, two hundred
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: and three dollars?
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 4: Seriously? Would you pay?
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: Like if you had to pay you're like me, you're
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: even more frugal than I am.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 4: I know you would pay zero for this.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: But if you had to pay something, wouldn't you wouldn't
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: ten bucks be what you like? Okay, that's what I
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: expect Cosmo coming over and give me a high five.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: I like most people, I am the victim of my
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: own poor parenting to where like I would pay zero
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: for this. Yeah, I would make Cosmo pay me for
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: the picture. However, my daughters would love a picture with Cosmo. Sure, right,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: and so if they were like, Dad, please please, please please,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: I I had to fork out a tenor to get
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: to get them in a picture with gospainful for you,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: I would hate it. Yeah, but I would do it
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: because I'm a bad dad who can't say no to
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: their kids.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: If somebody came to me with a straight face and said,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: for the low low price of thirty two hundred dollars,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: Cosmo will come sit with your kids at the game
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: for five minutes or whatever, I would vomit on their shoes.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: That is this.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: This can't be real. But I'm I'm at the BYU website.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: I'm finding these things directly from a BYU source. This
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: is absolute absurdity. I hope no one, especially that one
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: the Cosmo visit, which is that's just way too much.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: And by the way, you shouldn't be charging at all,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: and that's way too much. If you're going to be charging,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: I hope that no one buys that. By the way,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: don't get any ideas any team anywhere Jazz Bear's going
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: to start charging for putting silly string and throwing people's
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: throwing opposing team's fans backwards hat off their head. Like
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: come on now, if if Tusky comes up to me
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: at a game when I'm there as a fan, you're
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: running away and poses for a picture, and then somebody
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: comes up to me and it's like, okay, scan the
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: QR code. You also one hundred dollars or something. I'm
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: gonna get arrested. This is what I know that it's
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: always cool to like try to find alternate revenue streams.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: This ain't it, b Yu.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: I think just like we talked about in the Daily Dump,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: what was that two weeks ago? Two and a half
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: weeks ago, we talked about the rock trying to encourage
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: and incentivize students to go to sports that aren't football
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: and men's basketball. Right poorly executed. Great idea. I would
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: put this in the same category great idea. This is
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: so poorly executed, and I think it's a reflection oc
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: unfortunately of college athletic departments colleges in general, for the
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: first time having to monetize a lot of things, and
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: just it's an exposure of like so many that seem
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: to have no idea what value things actually have. And
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: it's embarrassing, quite frankly, because these are supposed to be
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: the smartest people in the country working for these colleges,
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: and yet you charge thirty two hundred dollars for the
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: mascot to come to come, give a high five and
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: take a picture with you.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 4: It's ridiculous.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: So for four grand you can go have a press
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: meal next to me and then have Cosmo visit you.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: Save your money, folks, save your money, even though some
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: of these incredible experiences don't pay them. Send a message
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: to say, hey, you got to lower these freaking prices.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: These are not worth what you're saying they're worth. I'm
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: on the Tocanos Brazilian grill website right now where you
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: can spend eight hundred and two dollars to eat this
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: meal in the press box at BYU during the Notre
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: Dame game or before the Notre Dame game. I should
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: people like you and I get for free, don't, James,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: you're tempting fate. If they're charging their fans dollars, you
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: think they're still gonna give it to us for free.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: Just bring a sandwich to the game. Oh so you'll
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 4: be fine.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: You could have a large cherasco meal from Tocanos like
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: this is them catering for you for twenty five dollars.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: Or you can wait in line for the elevator that
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: takes you to the press box and eat it next
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: to me for eight hundred and two dollars a person.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're the draw Let's be honest. There you
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: they you should get some of this eight hundred two
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: dollars a person. Oh see, okay, we got to take
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: a break here. Do we have another leaderboard update?
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: James?
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: Do we need to do that?
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: We do, but we can that after Devin at one
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: Baby edition with dev Our first edition with dev of
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  Speaker 2: the Year is happening today in just a few minutes.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: Oh before we finish up the the Daily Dump.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: This will be the last thing we talk about in
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: the Daily Dump. Ogn Andobi Knicks Champion has lost all
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: the cool points. He gained by being one of the
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: most important players in that championship series for the Knicks.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: Ogn and Obi right now is the subject of multiple
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: television and radio commercials as an exclusive Sketchers footwear athlete.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: He's an NBA player. He's an NBA star. Can we
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  Speaker 2: say he's an NBA star? Not superstar, but he's an
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: NBA star. He's a champion, he's a high level role player.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: Who is Yeah, he's a high level role player.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: He's the third best player on that team.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 4: Should we colle ship team?
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: By the way?
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: You know, the you know soccer has like hand of
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: God goal type epic nicknames for incredible moments. Should we
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: call OG's tip in the finger of God? Is that
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: what we should call this?
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  Speaker 3: Think? So? I don't think.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: I think we're gonna call it that one of the
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: rains that lightning came down.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: One of the radio commercials, by the way, advertises these
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: new Sketchers running shoes that ogn andob as spokesperson for,
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: And they're like, you could get these Sketcher shoes for
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: only one hundred and sixty dollars.
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  Speaker 4: Here's the thing.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: I'm willing to bet that if you go down and
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: you find one of the people who pays for a
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: meat Cosmo and have a press box meal, they're probably
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: gonna be wearing these og An Andobi sketchers. Anyone who's
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: willing to pay one hundred and sixty dollars per a
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  Speaker 2: pair of sketcher shoes.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: Needs to be criminally profiled.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 4: What are we doing?
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: By the way, uh, congrats to Sketchers for getting a
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: zero time All Star as your biggest athlete. I mean
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: that's all due respect ogob If that's your highest.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: Profile athlete to how long and they have og Annobi?
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, NBA though you're You're like, that's you expect someone
• 1:43:17
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  Speaker 4: Can I?
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: Can I also say something that I I'm this is delicate,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: but I'm being serious.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 4: Finger on the dut button.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: Has anyone out there ever seen an African American person
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: wearing sketchers besides Oobi in the commercial.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 4: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. If
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's ever happened before you've seen it,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 4: or if you if you know firsthand, you know.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: What, maybe maybe we could ask Devon dam Pier.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, I would I would ask here if he's ever
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: seen a black guy wearing sketchers before that commercial, I
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: probably won't actually ask him.
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  Speaker 2: We are two weeks away from the University of Utah
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  Speaker 2: kicking off their football season on a Thursday night at
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  Speaker 2: rice Eco Stadium against Idaho, and with football season being
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  Speaker 2: so close, it is that time of year again to
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  Speaker 2: be dishing with dev Devon damp the starting quarterback at
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  Speaker 2: the University of Utah, will be a weekly guest here
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  Speaker 2: on The Sean O'Connell Show. Conversations and dih with that
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  Speaker 2: and QB one joins us now a dish with them,
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  Speaker 2: Devin Dan Pierre, How are you, sir.
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  Speaker 6: Man man? Enjoying life as much as possible? How you doing?
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  Speaker 2: I like that you said, enjoyed life as much as possible,
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  Speaker 2: because you are in the thick of football camp right now.
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  Speaker 2: And even if it's not as crazy as the old
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  Speaker 2: two and three days of you know, my era in
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  Speaker 2: college football, it is work man, and you guys are
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  Speaker 2: right in the middle of it. Camp camp and then
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  Speaker 2: install I believe starts next week. How you feeling right now?
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  Speaker 2: How's the body? I know the voice is starting to
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  Speaker 2: fail you a little bit, But tell me how you're
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  Speaker 2: feeling at this moment.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, honestly, I'm at a proud moment of our team.
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  Speaker 6: I guess I can say I saw a.
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  Speaker 5: Lot of.
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  Speaker 6: Just a lot of chemistry being built, Like I feel
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  Speaker 6: like our offense and our defense, like this is the
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  Speaker 6: closest I've seen in where you know, in the locker room,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you see offensive people hanging out with defensive
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  Speaker 6: players more than you know the own side of the ball,
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  Speaker 6: just because of how close we are just because of
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  Speaker 6: how open we are to each other. So this is
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  Speaker 6: glad to see that. You know, we're coming together more
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  Speaker 6: than just on the football field.
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  Speaker 4: So what do you.
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  Speaker 2: Attribute that increased chemistry? Is it just guys' personalities yelling
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  Speaker 2: a little bit better? Is it something the coaching staff
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  Speaker 2: is doing?
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  Speaker 8: What?
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  Speaker 1: What would you give credit to for the fact that
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  Speaker 1: this team seems so close right now?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think it all starts with Scaley here,
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  Speaker 6: you know, Scaley being a head coach. Now, I think
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  Speaker 6: he puts very equal just equal effort into both of
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  Speaker 6: us on the offensive side and the defensive side. So
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  Speaker 6: just seeing that the time he takes on both sides
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  Speaker 6: of the ball, and then are the way our launches
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  Speaker 6: and all our eatings and just stuff like that. The
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  Speaker 6: way it's structured is for us to be able to
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  Speaker 6: be together. It's not where offense is doing one thing,
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  Speaker 6: defensive doing the other. You know, we make time for
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  Speaker 6: all of us to come together and have that opportunity
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  Speaker 6: to just be around each other outside of you know,
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  Speaker 6: talking football. So I think just the way Sally has it,
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  Speaker 6: the foundation of just making friends and making is more
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  Speaker 6: than just football brotherhood and all that.
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  Speaker 2: This time of camp is usually when nerves start to
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  Speaker 2: get a little bit raw. A fight or two might
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  Speaker 2: break out, you know, and team chemistry can survive a
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  Speaker 2: couple of you know, pushes and shoves and bad words
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  Speaker 2: and maybe even a punch or two throwne But is
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  Speaker 2: this as has it been typically kind of competitive and
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  Speaker 2: spicy on that front end camp?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure. I mean when you talk about the
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  Speaker 6: mentality of the Dolphins line and the mentality of the
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  Speaker 6: defense line, and I mean, you I know what Scalley's about.
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  Speaker 6: He's about straight physical. He wants to mind where you
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  Speaker 6: know you you want to win every rep, not sparing nobody.
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  Speaker 6: So you know now that he's the head coach and
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  Speaker 6: he's putting that on the offensive line as well. Man,
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  Speaker 6: it's this great competition going on, and you know he's
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  Speaker 6: going to get the same person for so long. You know,
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  Speaker 6: you can get the best of you at times. But
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  Speaker 6: you know, nothing, nothing too crazy.
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  Speaker 3: I think.
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  Speaker 6: If anything, you know, they're getting better, they're recognizing each
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  Speaker 6: other's games and just making each other better.
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  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, you're probably sick of
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  Speaker 2: answering questions about your offensive line for now, But I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to give you a couple anyway, because it is
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  Speaker 2: one of the big storylines of this football season, right,
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  Speaker 2: You've got to replace five starters. And I'll start at
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  Speaker 2: the beginning of this conversation. For myself, at least, like
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  Speaker 2: you are an intelligent person, you had options in the
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  Speaker 2: transfer portal has been well publicized and you've talked about.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the things that would be a major
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  Speaker 2: seller point for any quarterback is we've got this many
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  Speaker 2: returning starters. You had zero returning starters, and you still decided,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, I'm gonna come back. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: ride with this team, obviously knowing some of these guys
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  Speaker 2: already that were projected to probably step into those roles
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  Speaker 2: on the offensive line. But going back to making that
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  Speaker 2: decision with that information, tell me why that didn't shake
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  Speaker 2: your confidence that Utah was going to continue to be
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  Speaker 2: the right place for you.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, you're talking about the whole line. I mean
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  Speaker 6: even last year going into camp, you know there was
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  Speaker 6: days where you know that started five some of them,
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  Speaker 6: some of them were a little banged up, you know,
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  Speaker 6: decided not to practice, and you know the guys that
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  Speaker 6: started out, one of them had to step up so
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  Speaker 6: just I have been behind them before, I have been
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  Speaker 6: able to practice with them even before just this year,
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  Speaker 6: so just knowing what we had being able to step
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  Speaker 6: up and start this year. Man, I have confidence and
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  Speaker 6: no line. I mean, there's nothing that's telling me that. Again,
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  Speaker 6: if I if I didn't have confidence, I wouldn't be here,
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  Speaker 6: because you know that's huge for a quarterback to be
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  Speaker 6: able to trust his O line and you know, I
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  Speaker 6: trust those guys them are.
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  Speaker 2: Coach Scally won't tell us who the starting five are.
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  Speaker 2: Won't tell us even if he has a solid starting five.
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  Speaker 2: Try to get that in front of Coach Gross and
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  Speaker 2: they're playing it all close to the vest. You don't
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  Speaker 2: have to name any names for me. Dev If I said,
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  Speaker 2: oh jokes on you season starts on Saturday, do you
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  Speaker 2: know who you're starting five?
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  Speaker 3: Will be?
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  Speaker 1: I do go, But you don't have to tell me
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  Speaker 1: who they are. But do you feel like, yes, I
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  Speaker 1: know who they are?
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  Speaker 6: I seriously, I think there's so many different ways that
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  Speaker 6: like when you pick, when you pick your starting five,
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  Speaker 6: you know you pick it around. For one, the chemistry
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  Speaker 6: between you know the center and the guards, and then
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  Speaker 6: you want the guards and the tackles to be on
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  Speaker 6: the same page. So you know, we're only at that
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  Speaker 6: point where we're kind of gel and uh, just figure
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  Speaker 6: out what what builds the best chemistry between those five guys.
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  Speaker 6: You know, we're playing around, we're moving guys around.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, but you have you have trust in the overall group.
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  Speaker 1: Is that safe to say?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 4: For sure?
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  Speaker 3: For sure? Uh?
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  Speaker 2: What about the defensive line because obviously right that that's
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  Speaker 2: another place where some question marks exist. Uh do you
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  Speaker 2: feel like going against the defensive front, another quarterback is
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  Speaker 2: going to have a hard time with that once we
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  Speaker 2: get into the real season.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you have. The pressure is real.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I think that starts with Swan, just the
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  Speaker 6: way Swan called his defense and getting the way he's
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  Speaker 6: carried on Scalley's tradition of you know, those guys being physical.
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  Speaker 5: Uh, they want to go.
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  Speaker 6: Get the quarterback every single time. So you know, I've
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  Speaker 6: been I've been seeing it. You know, I talk with
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  Speaker 6: them after every practice is about some of the crazy
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  Speaker 6: stuff they're they're able to do up are the cause
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  Speaker 6: pressure pressure and things like that. So yeah, again, this
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  Speaker 6: is this is one of those camps where you know,
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  Speaker 6: again I'm seeing both sides improven you know, while I'm
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  Speaker 6: back there.
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  Speaker 2: Devin Dan Pierre Uta starting quarterback, our guest here on
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  Speaker 2: the Sean O'Connell show. Dish with Dev brought to you
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  Speaker 2: by America First Credit Union, Culligan Valley Plumbing, Heating and Cooling,
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  Speaker 2: UH coach Swan.
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  Speaker 1: I've known him for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: He was a defensive coach at Weaver State when I
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  Speaker 2: transferred to Weaver State. I'm very happy that he gets
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  Speaker 2: this opportunity to be a decordinator at this level. I
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  Speaker 2: know talking to him that this camp, he likes the
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  Speaker 2: fact that he's got an experienced quarterback on the opposite
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  Speaker 2: side of things. He can throw things at you that
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  Speaker 2: in camp in practice, scenarios that he wouldn't be able
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  Speaker 2: to and still have a good practice if it was like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a rank freshman. So what is that chess
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  Speaker 2: match like between you, mac Gie and him.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I say it's very it's very fun. Very But
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  Speaker 6: is the word I use it because just I guess one,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I got that great relationship with mac Ge.
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  Speaker 6: I think everybody knows that just quarterback and see I
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  Speaker 6: love that guy. And then just to be able to
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  Speaker 6: bring you know, a DC into the quarterback's life. For
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  Speaker 6: the relationship that I have with coach Wan Man, it's
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  Speaker 6: so deep, Like man, I talked to him anytime I
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  Speaker 6: want to. He's talking to me right before practice, you know,
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  Speaker 6: he's he's telling me, I'm try to make today hard
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  Speaker 6: for you. Just small things like that that we're both
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  Speaker 6: trying to make each other better. And you know, I'm
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  Speaker 6: glad that I'm able to you know, allow him to experience,
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  Speaker 6: you know, having a good quarterback back there so he
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  Speaker 6: knows what he likes to do, what he doesn't like
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  Speaker 6: to do, and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: What's going to be the biggest difference in Devin dan
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  Speaker 2: Pierre's game in the twenty twenty sixth season.
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  Speaker 6: I won't get hawked down during Kansas State, how about.
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  Speaker 2: Man?
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  Speaker 6: Just I think my lusiveness will be you know, where
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  Speaker 6: I wanted to play at. You know, I thought UCLA
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  Speaker 6: was you know, probably one of the health these games
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  Speaker 6: I had, and also Nebraska. Just being able to do
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  Speaker 6: what I want to do on the field, you know,
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  Speaker 6: not being scared of you know, someone diving at me
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  Speaker 6: or heading me. Just being able to be out there
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  Speaker 6: with a clear mind. I think that's the place I'm
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  Speaker 6: going to be able to have going into the year.
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  Speaker 2: I know that we have talked about it already, but
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it is important enough that it bears repeating.
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  Speaker 2: We had weekly conversations last year, and you never once
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  Speaker 2: made an excuse with health. None of us found out
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  Speaker 2: until after the season was over, and you go in
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  Speaker 2: for double hernia surgery, really how bad things were. And
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  Speaker 2: I know that that wasn't the only problem that you had,
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  Speaker 2: the ankle and other things whatever, But then you know
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  Speaker 2: the way that you are moving now we can see
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  Speaker 2: you're moving. I think your family has been quoted like
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  Speaker 2: maybe we saw him seventy seventy five percent last year.
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  Speaker 1: You never used that as an excuse.
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  Speaker 2: But is it safe to say that that Utah football
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  Speaker 2: fans should expect a different level, at least a different
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  Speaker 2: physical version of Devin dan Pierre heading into this year.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, for sure.
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  Speaker 6: I think, and by game the game basis that you know,
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  Speaker 6: I think certain games I played different than I normally
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  Speaker 6: do just because of you know, my health where it
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  Speaker 6: was at, and you know, just to be able to
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  Speaker 6: get a consistent quarterback every single game, regardless of what
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  Speaker 6: it is that that's like, That's what I want to
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  Speaker 6: give out there is. I'm the same guy every single
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  Speaker 6: game and just being able to play that way.
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  Speaker 2: How many times are we going to see you and
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  Speaker 2: bird Ficklet on the field at the same time.
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  Speaker 6: Dev Birth the playmaker. We're going to find a way
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  Speaker 6: to get him on the field. He ain't even got
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  Speaker 6: to worry about it.
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  Speaker 2: The playmaker conversation is one that's kind of permeated through
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  Speaker 2: the entire offseason. I like to go through before the
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  Speaker 2: season starts, all these predictive things hit, you know, touchdown totals,
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  Speaker 2: yardage totals for certain players, who's the leading receiver gonna be?
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  Speaker 2: What's that production going to be like? And every football
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  Speaker 2: guy we talked to says the same thing. Hey, there's
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  Speaker 2: only one ball and you're gonna have to figure out
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  Speaker 2: how you distribute this thing.
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  Speaker 4: What does that look like at practice?
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  Speaker 2: I know it's not the same as game planning, but
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  Speaker 2: what does it look like right now at practice? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we spreading this peanut butter even in thin is there
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  Speaker 2: a couple of guys that are getting the bulk of
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  Speaker 2: the shares, the bulk of the carries, bulk of the touches.
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  Speaker 1: How's it working out so far?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: I mean I'm starting off. You know, way Sean, you know,
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  Speaker 6: he's he's that guy when it comes to running the ball.
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  Speaker 6: You know, there's he He's showing just so much growth
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  Speaker 6: and leadership and who he is as a person. In
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  Speaker 6: even our our head coach Strange Staff, he said that,
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  Speaker 6: you know, he's never he's never seen a running back
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  Speaker 6: work this hard, and you know he's been in the
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  Speaker 6: NFL level and all that. So, uh, you know, I
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  Speaker 6: think way Shawn's doing a great job of bringing especially
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  Speaker 6: Daniel Bray. He's bringing Daniel Bray along a long way.
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  Speaker 6: You know, he was a young guy last year, just
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  Speaker 6: a freshman getting out there, and you know you can
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  Speaker 6: see that girlth in his mindset as well. You know,
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  Speaker 6: I see him in the training room just trying to
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  Speaker 6: make sure that his legs don't get dead during fall camp.
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  Speaker 6: You know, that's things you don't normally see from young guys.
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  Speaker 6: So I think way Shawn's doing a great job pushing
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  Speaker 6: over there. And then man the receiver wise, dude, I'm
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  Speaker 6: I'm so happy that you know, I'm able to go
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  Speaker 6: through progressions. I'm able to choose, you know, what side
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  Speaker 6: I want to work just because you know, I know
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  Speaker 6: those sides had that capability of getting open to any coverage.
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  Speaker 6: So it's just nice to know whatever the defense decides
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  Speaker 6: to do. You know, I can pick their poison. I
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  Speaker 6: can go the I can go the other way. You
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  Speaker 6: got to worry about all the receivers out there.
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  Speaker 1: What about the tight end?
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  Speaker 2: Tight end is the question about, you know, how the
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  Speaker 2: big passing pass receiving options are going to fit into
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  Speaker 2: this And you guys have the traditional kind of tight end.
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  Speaker 2: You have these hybrid sort of these halfway running back,
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  Speaker 2: halfway receiver, halfway tight end. Uh, you got the rhino package.
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  Speaker 2: What is the what are the big weapons gonna look
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  Speaker 2: like in this offense?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's so much versatility there, you know. Yeah, again,
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  Speaker 6: we have guys that we can put in the back
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  Speaker 6: field to hand them the ball, and uh, they're gonna
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  Speaker 6: find a way to get yards every time. You know,
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  Speaker 6: I'd like to call that group the secured catchers, you
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  Speaker 6: know what I mean, If if I need if I
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  Speaker 6: need somebody to catch the ball, I'm going to the
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  Speaker 6: tight end because man, they're so big body, they're so
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  Speaker 6: athletic at their sizes, and uh, just with that to
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  Speaker 6: have great hands as well, you know, that builds on
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  Speaker 6: a chest in the quarterback to just know you can
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  Speaker 6: always go there.
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  Speaker 2: Who on the opposite side of the ball has been?
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  Speaker 2: Have you developed kind of the friend the rivalry with
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  Speaker 2: who's been who's been the one chirping most at you?
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  Speaker 2: I think last year you told us, uh, you and
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  Speaker 2: Lander Barton were always talking back and forth at practice
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  Speaker 2: and things like that, who's that guy this year?
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  Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. I will say three of
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  Speaker 6: them this year, Me and me and John will definitely
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  Speaker 6: go at it all the time. You know, we had
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  Speaker 6: a pre camp, a pre camp little beg going on
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  Speaker 6: just talking about him getting a interception on me, because man,
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  Speaker 6: John Johno's a lurker. He he knows how to go
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  Speaker 6: out there and uh play that linebacker position and uh
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  Speaker 6: second Benny Uh Jackson's going into you know, another year
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  Speaker 6: where you know we're we're all we're all expecting him
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  Speaker 6: to be that guy and he's proven it every single day.
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  Speaker 6: And you know, he asked me questions, you know, why
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  Speaker 6: do I choose the total ball a certain away against
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  Speaker 6: certain coverage? You know what am I seeing when he's
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  Speaker 6: garnering people? So we just have those conversations where we're
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  Speaker 6: getting better and uh, Scooby Davis. Scooby's actually to talk
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  Speaker 6: about all of them before before every period. Hey, Den,
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  Speaker 6: you know what time it is. I'm getting one today.
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  Speaker 6: You know, Scoops always been to you know, continue to
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  Speaker 6: motivate and that's that's what uplifts the competition every day
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  Speaker 6: and practices when guys bring energy and you know, Scooby's
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  Speaker 6: all about that.
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  Speaker 1: Who has picked you off so far in camp?
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  Speaker 6: Oh, I can't give those names, not not, not a lot,
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  Speaker 6: though I would say that.
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  Speaker 1: All right, it's fine. I'll get the names from a
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  Speaker 1: defensive player.
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  Speaker 2: They'll they'll be the ones that will let me know, uh,
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  Speaker 2: from a from a team chemist, from a I should
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: say team chemistry is too broad from a chemistry with
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: your receiver standpoint right.
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  Speaker 1: I know that you were putting in a lot of
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  Speaker 1: work in the off season.
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  Speaker 2: Your coaches have praised you for organizing the workouts and
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: and kind of taking the leadership perspective there. Uh, this
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  Speaker 2: is a new group though, as talented as it is,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of fresh faces, new bodies, things like that.
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  Speaker 2: Do you feel like you've developed the right level of
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  Speaker 2: chemistry with your pass catchers?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean again, it's started just when they first
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 6: got here. I think everyone kind of knew what they're
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 6: walking into, you know, Scalley's first year bringing in to
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 6: OC that. I mean mcgiven just he likes to win,
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 6: and I guess the biggest thing about it offense is
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  Speaker 6: he likes to always make the defense wrong. Whatever the
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 6: defense decides to do, we're going to find the way
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  Speaker 6: to pick it apart. So just we're bringing in the receivers,
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 6: you know, they knew from the beginning that we are
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 6: expecting y'all to get open against you know anything. We
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 6: have these high expectations for you guys when you guys
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  Speaker 6: come here. We want to be able to pass the
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  Speaker 6: ball if that's what the defense things that we can't do,
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 6: and just things like that. So I think there's the
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 6: mentality of the receivers. You know, this whole entire way
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  Speaker 6: spring ball and offseason, summer and now you can just
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 6: tell the amount of conversations, the amount of times that
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 6: you know, I go into their meetings we're talking talking ball.
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  Speaker 6: There's just a lot of dedication on that side.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: Devin Dan Pierre for a couple more minutes here, Dish
• 2:02:07
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• 2:02:09
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• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: schedule like the rest of the way, You guys, these
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: are not install friendly practices at this moment, right there's
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: no game planning happening for Idaho or Arkansas or anybody
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: else at this moment. This is just like efficiency and
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: working on your own stuff. Is that the right way
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  Speaker 2: to characterize it?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah? But yeah, but I'd say we're still I guess
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  Speaker 6: it's kind of goes last touches of you know, exactly
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 6: what the offense wants to bring into the season, what
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 6: plays that you know we're gonna let go out and
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 6: the planes we're gonna hold onto, you know, for the
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 6: whole entire season because we feel confident in those plays.
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  Speaker 6: And same thing for the defense. But they feel like
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 6: they do best, what type of pressures they don't like,
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 6: what type of pressures they feel great about every single game.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 6: Just things like that. That's kind of what being finalized
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 6: this week, and you know by next week, you know,
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 6: first first opponents, first two, first three opponents, you know,
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 6: we'll start dialing up plays to go against their defenses.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 6: And same thing on the other side.
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  Speaker 2: Your mindset probably isn't even in this place. But a
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: lot of us are going to be watching Utah football
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: and saying, like, Okay, how much different does it look
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: under Morgan Scalley the head coach, Kevin McGibbon as the
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: Colton swan now is a defensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to be comparing to this kind of constant
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: thing we've had over the last twenty one years. From
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: a practice perspective. If you compare this camp to last
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: year's camp, how would you compare them? Are they equally physical?
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  Speaker 2: Is this year more live tackling? Less live tackling? Is
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: it more grinding people down? Like, give me some comparison
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  Speaker 2: if you can between what Morgan Scaley's fall camp is
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  Speaker 2: versus the one you had under Kyle Whittingham.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Man, scale has been underwent so long, So the
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 6: physical all all that does not change. I promise it's
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 6: it's the same. You know, we're when the paths are on,
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 6: if we're if we're able to have contact, Uh, we're
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 6: gonna have contact. We're we're gonna make sure guys are
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 6: hitting each other and uh, just making sure we're building
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 6: that mindset, you know, we're we will never lose a
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 6: football game because we are soft than an opponent. And
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 6: you know that's some Scaley preaches, and you know some
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 6: some differences. You know, Scaley's big on our bodies, how
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 6: our bodies are doing. He's taking a lot of account
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 6: on just tracking with how much miles prow we're hitting,
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 6: the amount of wear and tear we're putting on our
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 6: bodies every practice. You know how long that's going for.
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 6: And you know he's adjusting practices as we go on,
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  Speaker 6: just to continue to make sure we feel good by
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  Speaker 6: the time week one comes.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what your max speed number is so far?
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 6: What am I? I want to say? I was like
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 6: nineteen something?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, it's solid.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 6: It's solid. See some of some of the other boys
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 6: are flying though some I think Branden, Braiden, Benny and
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 6: Ricky and Snood. I think they've gotten into like the
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 6: twenty two maybe the place. Yeah, they're flying, They're they're fie.
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  Speaker 3: There's so.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. No, it's it's been fun though, just the whole
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 6: entire process.
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  Speaker 1: Do you do you enjoy that portion? Like do you
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: like looking at those numbers?
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: Are you like, you know, Bruce feldon puts out his
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: Freaks List where he talks about like the measurables that
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: people have. Now, some people are great players without ever
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: having great measurables. Some guys are, you know, kind of
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: in the middle. Some guys rely so much on the
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: measurables that they never actually get good at football. Where
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: do you fall on the you know, like my speed
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: numbers and how they translate to my game kind of thing,
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: Like because you're you're a big lifter, right, You're really strong.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: You told us about that last year, So like, how
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: much do you care about those numbers?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: You know me, me at quarterback, I always want the
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 6: combination of uh strong and you know, I guess who
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  Speaker 6: I want to be faster than is you know, anybody
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 6: in the box. You know, the receivers, the cortners, the safeties.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 6: You know, they're they're going to find their way to
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 6: be faster than me. You know that's they're they're built
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 6: thirty pounds wider than me. But for me to be
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 6: that mixed up being able to take a hit and
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 6: also outrun you know, the ends, the de tackle, the linebackers.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 6: You know, that's that's kind of my goal. That's what
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 6: I focus on from a measurable standpoint.
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  Speaker 5: But I just think my.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 6: Game is a lot of my quickness, my side to
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 6: side movement, my vertical spe my mouth probably doesn't really
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 6: give me that movement speed, but things like the five
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 6: to five and stuff. That's that's the things I take
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 6: a lot of consideration just to make sure I'm able
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 6: to change direction and the fastest way possible.
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  Speaker 1: Are you playing heavier or lighter than you did last year?
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: You're going to be the same.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 6: I think I'm at the same. Honestly, I think I'm
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 6: being into like that two o five two ten category,
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 6: just depending on the day, I'm somewhere between there. That's
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 6: kind of where I played it that last year.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: Is that the magic number for you? You feel like
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: that's your optimal athletic performance number?
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 6: And right now, yes, I feel like that's where I
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 6: can get out and still take a hit.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't.
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  Speaker 2: We don't want like a we don't have a skinny
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: Devin damp pier that they can't survive with a little
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 2: bit of contact, you know.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: Like would you say that?
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 2: Maybe this is a conversation you have with Kevin McGibbon
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: and Morgan scally, Like, would you say that for yourself
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: because you were productive in the passing game and the
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: run game last year watching your film at New Mexico,
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: there were plenty of times where you ran the ball
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 2: when I think it was a design pass because you
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: kind of had to right. And I know that's always
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: going to be part of your game. That's always going
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: to be part of a quarterbacks game. But is there
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: going to be an adjustment as far as you know,
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: in like the QB designed runs for Devin dan Pier
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 2: in order to preserve the health that you have worked
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: so hard to get back.
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think that's for one, That's part
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 6: of my play style, you know, And I've told the
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 6: coaches that.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 8: Me being able to put that stress on the defense
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 8: is you know, that's huge for me. When you can
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 8: make that safety start looking at the quarterback and now
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 8: that safety cannot help on the outside receivers, you know,
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 8: you just create matchups for.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 6: Your guys to be able to throw the ball as well.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 6: So and that's something you know, defensive coaches they stress
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 6: about having to worry about the quarterback running because man,
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 6: there's defenses where you know they they play a man
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 6: with two safeties, and the safeties are running with the
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 6: deep routes, and you know who who accounts for the quarterbacks.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 6: So you know, I think I think that big that's
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 6: that's who I am. That's part of my game. And
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 6: they know that as well. And you know, obviously again
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 6: the way way Sean and uh, just the depth at
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 6: the running back position as well, and even having Bird,
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 6: you know, that takes a lot of stress off of
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 6: me when it comes to you know, direct run game
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 6: where we got guys that are gonna go get those yards.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: You guys are practicing or finishing up practice right when
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: we're going on air, so I'm not able to go
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: observe practice, and it's limited for the media anyway, So
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: I have to rely on you for the answer to
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: this question. Last year, last year at camp, right we
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: were going up there, Hey, who's the breakout star of
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: this camp. Who's the young freshman or the incoming transfer
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 2: whoever that's surprising everyone?
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: Who is that offensively? And maybe you've got a defensive
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: one two?
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  Speaker 6: Okay, all right, all right, but let me let me,
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 6: let me think, let me think up with this one.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 6: You know, I would say I believe Kelvin Kelvin obots
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 6: have been I think very impressive. You know, you get
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 6: a five star and you know some of some of
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 6: those guys aren't the five stars you think you get
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 6: some of them, you know they've played against weaker competition
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 6: than they get here, and you know they get humbled
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 6: and they never really turned into that same guy. And
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 6: you know, I think Kelvin is one of those guys who, uh,
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 6: you know, first day he gets the feel of what
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 6: it's like to be a college athlete. And man, he's
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 6: he's he's taking strides like so so fast. He's definitely
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 6: you know, proven himself out there every single day that
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 6: he could go out there and compete, you know, at
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 6: the highest level just right away as a young guy.
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 6: So that's been huge usually impressive to see out of
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 6: you know, a guy so young to be able to
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 6: come and do that so fast. And then on the defense, honestly,
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 6: Cyrus and Ellis just it's been that that linebacker position
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 6: is so deep. You know, you have John O and
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 6: Trey and then man, when Cyrus and Ellis is in
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 6: there is like Tim Boyd. They can pass for us,
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 6: they can go find a way to go get an
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 6: interception like It's just we have so much depth at
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 6: that lineman atral position, and you know, I think they've
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 6: been sending out all camp just the way they've been
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 6: playing at such a high level.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was looking for.
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 3: Dev.
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  Speaker 2: I love those answers, uh, And I've been I've been
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 2: talking more about a freshman offensive guard in Kelvin Obot
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: or an offensive lineman that I that I'm really even
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: comfortable doing because we're not even sure how much he's
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: gonna play this year, but let's say he has to. Right,
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 2: you think he could be a starting offensive lineman as
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: a true freshman.
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, for sure, he's doing he again described the
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 6: mount that and also he's getting better himself. He's he's
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 6: doing the extra things like again me seeing me being
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 6: around the five star. You know, I didn't know how
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 6: he was going to come into this thing, and he's
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 6: coming into this team like still hungry to know the game.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 6: He's doing the small thing coaches he's asking for and
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 6: just the extra So you know, I'm I'm glad that
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 6: he's on our team. For sure.
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 2: This is an unfair question to finish it, but you
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: know how I am, Uh, the guy JJ Buchanan and
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: John Henry Dally and those guys that those those individuals
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: that were so important to last year's team. Are they
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: still in the group chat or is everyone like while
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 2: the while the football season plays out, is there a separation?
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 6: Oh no? And when you know, if you ever look
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 6: at at our Instagram post or things like that, you
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 6: know we're we're all, we're you players are all up
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 6: in their comments. You know they're still in ours.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 3: You know, every once in.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 6: A while, like I see Scooby on the phone with
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 6: Uhkoe and Smithie and you know, it's a family. You know,
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 6: once once you're part of the Utah family. You know,
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 6: the way we love our brotherhood, the way we become
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 6: so close with each other, you know, we always have
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 6: their respect for each other is uh. We know everybody's
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 6: situation is different and we understand that, and you know,
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 6: everyone's doing what's best for them at the end of
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 6: the day. But that chemistry that we built, you know,
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 6: that loves that year that we go through, you know,
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 6: just so much wedding tears and yeah, I mean there's
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 6: there's no way you can just let those type of
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 6: guys fall out of your life.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 2: Last thing and I know you've talked about it a lot,
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 2: but you know, it's something that I'm fascinated by.
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 1: Utah fans are fascinated by.
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: You made a tough decision and you decided to stay
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 2: here even though offensive course that had brought you along
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: in college football, he left, even though you were getting
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 2: the offers from other places. I'm sure there were some
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 2: big bags offered to you things like that. What has
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 2: happened so far through spring ball, through the summer program,
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: and this far into camp, do you feel like you're
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: getting confirmation that you made the right decision on a
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 2: daily basis, Yeah.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 6: You know, I think again. I love coach Beck. He's
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 6: done so much for me, and you know, he had
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 6: a decision to make for what's best for him and
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 6: his family, and you know, I'm glad he was able
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 6: to find that and get that opportunity. And you know,
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 6: the same thing for me that came up for me
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 6: and just I got to know who Matt Gee was. Again,
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 6: Scaley put me in a position where you know, he
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 6: let me know he's gonna get oc to build things
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 6: around me and let me get to know who the
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 6: person was earlier beforehand. And you know, anyone else finding
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 6: out and you know, I just think that was that
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 6: was such a big thing for me to hear and
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 6: be able to have those conversations and just where I'm
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 6: at mentally on a football perspective, you know, mcgiven puts
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 6: a lot on me. He he wants me to be
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 6: able to have He wants me to be able to
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 6: hear the call and you know, repeat it to guys.
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 6: He wants me to be able to make checks when
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 6: we need it, just all the things the quarterback needs
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 6: to know, protection and just literally everything. He's putting everything
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 6: on my plate, and i just feel like that's developed
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 6: on mind. It's made the game even slower. I mean,
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 6: we always talk about how fast the game is, and
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 6: you know, I'm at that point of my year where
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 6: I have that experience and he has so much going
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 6: on in my mind that I'm able to now slow
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 6: it down. I'm able to now process everything and just
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 6: see the small things that you normally can't see in
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 6: a big picture on the defense. So yeah, I'm glad
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  Speaker 6: where I'm at. I'm happy the development I've been getting
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  Speaker 6: just kind of finalizing what it's quarterback is, and yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I'm thankful for that. Every single day.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Dev, I know we've chewed up a lot of
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  Speaker 2: your time today. Have a good practice, have a good
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: remaining few practices in camp. We'll chat again very very soon.
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  Speaker 2: Glad that we're doing it this again this year and
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  Speaker 2: very much looking forward to what you and the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the utes can put in front of us on
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know it. It's always fun being here.
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  Speaker 1: That is Devin Dampierre.
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• 2:17:13
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• 2:17:17
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• 2:17:23
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  Speaker 2: of recruiting program history. And the guys who've already been there,
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  Speaker 2: the guys who are on the team and probably not
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  Speaker 2: making quite as much money as you are getting as
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• 2:18:14
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• 2:18:34
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I didn't have as visceral of a reaction to
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  Speaker 4: the Monster stuff as it seemed the broader sports media
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  Speaker 4: community did, maybe partly because I grew up on a
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  Speaker 4: dirt bike and watching Monster Ama Supercross at Recycle Stadium often.
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  Speaker 4: What I do have a problem with is obviously the
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  Speaker 4: money that seems to be left on the table there.
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  Speaker 4: That's really the problem. And also just the I guess
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  Speaker 4: a logo. Here's a logo. Yeah, it looks bad. It
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  Speaker 2: It's I mean, what we have seen of the patch
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  Speaker 3: M Oh. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: They didn't even get like a designer or anything to
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  Speaker 4: go over it.
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  Speaker 2: They just went logos and then and then Big Twelve's
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  Speaker 2: logo on the right side of the same triangle or
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. So that's more so what I have an issue with, Like,
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  Speaker 4: it esthetically I guess not like displeasing to the eye.
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  Speaker 4: And then with the doctor's thing. Yeah, but are we
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  Speaker 4: also gonna have a to doctors or psychologists or otherwise
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  Speaker 4: come out in say we can't do like beer, nicktine,
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  Speaker 4: gambling partnerships, gambling stuff.
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  Speaker 1: None, of those are allowed on jersey patches.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, are you sure?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Or it does not happened yet. They're not allowed. They're disallowed.
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  Speaker 2: You can put them, you can put them on the
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  Speaker 2: game program, you just can't put them on the jersey patch.
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  Speaker 4: I think Oklahoma State has a casino.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's a it's a tribal it's a tribal, it's
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  Speaker 4: But the actual patches, the casino that they run, it's
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  Speaker 4: the Osage.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really interesting. There's another one. I think maybe
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  Speaker 2: Oregon State somebody else just did a tribal patch and
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  Speaker 2: that's what they what they're advertising is their entertainment properties.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't necessarily disagree with the doctors. Energy drinks in.
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  Speaker 4: Those forms are not exactly recommended, outlawed.
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  Speaker 1: In some countries for children under eighteen years of age
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  Speaker 1: to consume.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, especially for children. But this is essentially pro sports now,
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  Speaker 4: So if you're gonna play pro sports, I don't know
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  Speaker 4: where you start playing moral grand standards as well. That's
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  Speaker 2: Well to the ends justifying the means here. If you
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  Speaker 2: could get the Monster Energy patch to be re examined,
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  Speaker 2: I'm on board with it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: O Sage Nation at Oklahoma State University have it's just
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  Speaker 2: the O Sage patch right there on the Oklahoma State jersey.
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  Speaker 2: The corporatization takeover of sports has really jump the shark.
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  Speaker 2: We're we're all the way in now.
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  Speaker 4: So if you want to like take draw a line
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  Speaker 2: What is the which speaking of the corporatization and the
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  Speaker 1: Would you would you pay for if you if I
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I want to be clear. Cool experiences. You
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• 2:30:41
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  Speaker 1: Without having to spend eight hundred and two dollars on it.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, we've been down on the field right. These are
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  Speaker 4: But to just put a price point on a Tucano's
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  Speaker 4: your seat, which used to just be like an organic
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  Speaker 4: fun thing for anyone who happened to be in the stadium. Potential,
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  Speaker 4: well we still will, I hope, yeah, I hope. That
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  Speaker 4: one feels a little odd to me because you used
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  Speaker 4: to just be like a kid in the stands and
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  Speaker 4: the mascot would come up to they maybe the game
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  Speaker 4: operator would pull a section out of a hat and
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  Speaker 1: The raffle thing that Akron University was doing with that.
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  Speaker 2: Wonderful you can join the raffle, you can call the
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  Speaker 2: to get to make a play call, but what part
• 2:33:01
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  Speaker 2: And if you set the price point for that at
• 2:33:15
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  Speaker 2: I didn't hit the raffle.
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 1: Also great.
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  Speaker 2: Setting the prices where they have been set is absolutely absurd.
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  Speaker 2: Ten bucks for a picture with Cosmo even that's too much.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what, maybe some families would be willing
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  Speaker 2: to pay it ten thirty bucks for a meal or whatever. Sure,
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  Speaker 2: maybe I want to know if they're putting a cap
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  Speaker 2: on any of these things, Like, how about if something,
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  Speaker 2: for some reason, everyone at Labella Edver City wants to
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 2: Cono's desperately and wants to eat it next to us
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  Speaker 2: before the Notre Dame game? Are they gonna sell fifty
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  Speaker 2: of those eight hundred dollars tickets or are they gonna
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  Speaker 2: limit it to like ten?
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  Speaker 4: People can do that, and are we gonna Are you
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  Speaker 4: still gonna get our dinner? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: We're not.
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  Speaker 2: If you could, if you could sell something for eight
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  Speaker 2: hundred bucks, You're not giving it to me for.
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  Speaker 4: Free, That's what I'm wondering. Also, September twelfth, it's a Saturday,
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 4: it's a ute game day. But if I win a
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 4: certain raffle, I'm gonna be unavailable. Just thought I should
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 4: let you guys know here seven that's what you're doing
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 4: with Joe more Head's gonna be able to beato me.
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  Speaker 4: Is that what I hear?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, his final decision making power.
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna there's gonna be some issues there if I
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 4: win that I won the raffle fair at Square coach
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 4: you turn your headset off. Yeah, So just an FYI,
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 4: I may be unavailable that day.
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 1: Are you in your bag in the Akron playbook? Do
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 1: you already know what you'd be?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got it. I've got it. Well, I got
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 4: to see what Robert Morris does week one. Okay, I
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 4: want to see like what I'm working against, right Yeah. Uh,
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 4: they got some new personnel in the on the defense.
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 4: I want to see what they come out in. There's
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 4: still some question marks, but for the most part, like
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 4: Utah in years past, Drive one kind of know what
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 4: we're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, I've scripted my first four plays
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 2: for Utah on air, and it ended.
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 4: The series ended in a touchdown. I love that Utah
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 4: for like a decade, came out and ran this like
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 4: single eye power right for a decade. And then against
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 4: Florida play action, Bryson Barnes goes, yeah, that was the
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 4: only time you can go back and watch the film.
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 4: I actually went and did this, and it literally is
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 4: the first play of the year, almost like a traditional
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 4: like we're gonna punch you in the mouth. Yes, power right.
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 4: Here we go man on man and they set it
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 4: up just like they were gonna do that. And then
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 4: Bryce and Barnes goes for what sixty yards on a
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 4: on a deepak.
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  Speaker 1: First play of the season. Yeah, first play.
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  Speaker 3: I loved that. Great.
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah uh but yeah, I'm gonna be in Ohio
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 2: in September. Figure out what to pay for your fan experiences.
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 2: But hopefully you can just still at some point get
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 2: to a game, buy a hot dog, enjoy a game,
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 2: and you don't have to worry about like if you
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 2: want to take.
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  Speaker 4: A picture, it's an extra eight dollars.
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even I was talking with over on
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 2: the sister station, Ron Weaver, who does a bunch of
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 2: BYU stuff helps out with crittle show and Bryce say,
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 2: we're talking about I didn't even think about this perspective
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 2: of it, this cash grab happening in provo immediately after
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 2: the whole Hey, there's been some unfulfilled promises. We're supposed
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 2: to get some more money and we didn't get this,
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 2: and then like this is this is what you trot
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 2: out to try to close that gap. I didn't even
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 2: think of that part of the bou fan perspective, like, oh,
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 2: you want me to pay three grand to meet Cosmo
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 2: because you didn't handle your booking, your your your bookkeeping
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 2: correct well.
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 4: And as we continue to talk about how monetary value
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 4: kind of takes over college sports in a way that
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 4: it always has been a part of it. Coaches have
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 4: been paid bazillions of dollars for the better part of
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 4: the last few decades. But you see it at Utah, right,
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know that Utah goes after Freddi Whittingham for
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 4: half a million dollars. If this isn't today's age where
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 4: that's like a good offensive finement, that's right, that's a
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 4: that's one of your linebackers, right, because they're gonna be
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 4: paying a bunch of legal fees. They've probably already paid
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 4: a bunch of legal fees to even start that process.
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 4: I don't know that they see that as worth it.
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 4: In past iterations of college football, NBA stuff like, we
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 4: could go on and on about how the corporate side,
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 4: the c suites, if you will, the suits are kind
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 4: of putting their thumb on sports in a way that
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 4: feels like a lot maybe a little bit.
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 1: And now the.
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 2: The fan awareness of that is stronger than it's ever been.
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 2: Not only is it getting worse, but our access to
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 2: that information is a lot smoother now to where like
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 2: when I was a kid, I didn't know what my
• 2:38:36
  Speaker 2: favorite basketball players contracts look like.
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 4: Well, and they also weren't you didn't know, but they
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 4: also weren't like as insane as they are now sure,
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 4: and they also if they were getting paid under the table,
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 4: it wasn't through like five different large companies who are
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 4: affiliated with your billionaire owner. It was with the car
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 4: dealership next door.
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, we got into a weird space with sports world,
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 4: especially in college, but hey, this is the business chosen.
• 2:39:07
  Speaker 2: Stay tuned for the drive. It'll be Porter Larson and
• 2:39:09
  Speaker 2: Tony Parks Holding it down for spence checkets today. Thanks
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 2: for listening to The Sean O'Connell Show. Bill Riley, Voice
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 2: of the Utes, is hosting in my Stead tomorrow. I'm
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 2: headed to Tampa to call the final fights of the summer,
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 2: so after that we're back in full speed ahead on
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 2: college football season.
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