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Random Season Ramblings: S3, EP40 - Being Pagan In A "Non-Pagan" World (Viewer Request) · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  episode. This topic comes again as a
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  listener and viewer and supporter request.
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  So Debbie here, I'm going to redact the name out of it.
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  want to be contacted But this was a comment that was left on
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  really pull but it was a Facebook post that I made a few
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  weeks back asking, folks, what I should podcast about and Debbie
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  is a been watching and supporting this platform for a
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  long time. And she asks to do a podcast
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  episode on how pagans live in a society, surrounded by non
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  pagans. You know, the where they have,
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  you know, predetermined false beliefs about about us, and
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  she's also asking for more drumming, and as someone else
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  suggested. So, thank you.
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  Debbie again for the for the great question and topic for
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  the, for the podcast today. So, yes, I do some, you know,
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  various short form content of drumming.
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  I don't really have a great, like, Studio set up where I can
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  get the best audio recording it. Variance but do the best I can
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  with what I got. So as I'm able to most likely
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  there will be some drumming footage that is captured during
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  the stay in North Carolina. So they should be, hopefully, be
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  some, some really awesome content for you there Debbie and
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  everybody that enjoys, that sort of thing.
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  But to her point, you know, pagans living Now amongst non
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  pagans I believe was the was the right?
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  Yeah. Living in a society surrounded
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  by. Yeah I guess non pagans.
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  And now, they're perceived or predetermined to perceived false
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  beliefs. And I guess you know you talked
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  about some of the challenges that folks like us and and and
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  you know have experienced or face with people like that.
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  Now I live in a part of the country here in the United
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  States that is affectionately refer to as the Bible Belt.
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  So the southern states of the United States.
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  Pretty much anything below. What is referred to as the
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  Mason-Dixon line. Are notorious notoriously.
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  Conservative Christian types. They, I'm not going to get into
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  the various political branches of it, but at least in this part
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  of the South and my part of the South is it is a very
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  conservative Christian population there are churches
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  everywhere some small some really wholesome you know, small
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  community type working. You know, organ that
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  organizations Denominational and non-denominational all the way
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  up to huge. You know, tens of thousands of
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  members, megachurch type type things.
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  Got them all around here. And I also noticed to that.
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  At least in this part again, of Tennessee, this part of the
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  South, this part of Tennessee specifically that I live in is
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  pretty diverse when it comes to just denominations, you know.
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  So you've got Your Southern Baptists, you got your
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  Pentecostals, you got your Church of Christ, you got your
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  Catholics. Everything in between you know
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  nondenominational nondenominational and then you
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  also got non-Christian establishments.
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  We've got you know, Muslim mosques, we've got Jewish
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  temples. We've got actually write down,
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  not too far down the road from where I live.
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  Is a Buddhist temple. There is A.
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  An Indian or Hindu temple. Also in Nashville, really,
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  actually a beautiful Temple, lets, you know, just The the
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  structure the the stone carvings just everything about it is
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  super super, you know, impressive in terms of the
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  aesthetic of it all. So we've got a lot of various
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  religions that you know, can practice publicly without
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  Without fear of persecution or anything.
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  Besides just those are the Christian faith and believe it,
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  or not here in the South. And this portion of the South,
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  there is a rich community of polytheists, not just romantic
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  pagans, but some of the Celtic Drew ittake type pagans.
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  We've got A very large, I think subset or subgroup of, you know,
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  sort of the, The neo-pagan, Eclectic Wiccan types and more
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  and more. I've come to realize from from
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  just going to different public events and meeting people in the
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  area. There's a growing presence of
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  Germanic Norse heathens pagans as well, and then other types,
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  you know, Some of the, some of the online groups that I'm in,
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  which isn't that many. But for instance, like the
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  Middle Tennessee heathens, Facebook group is over five
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  hundred and some odd members. And if I were to probably do a
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  poll to see how many of those members are dramatic pagans or
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  Norse, pagans, right probably be a good chunk of them, but that
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  kind of diversity. Just diversity cultural
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  diversity doesn't exist in all parts of the world for for sure.
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  And definitely not in all parts of our country in the United
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  States. And probably even less.
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  So, in the areas of the country, like I'm talking about the
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  Southern United States, what consistent?
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  What consists of, you know, the Bible Belt area.
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  So when we talk about like pagans living amongst non pagans
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  are living in a society. That of non pagans, I think the
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  it's all relative, right? It's all relative to where you
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  are and some of the challenges and some of the things that you
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  might encounter because of it. Now, I have attended some events
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  not a lot here in this area or a lot in general of a pagan
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  nature, but Nashville has won every year.
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  Called Nashville. It's a pagan Pride day, you
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  know, so it's a open to the public.
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  They have a lot of people that that show up as vendor.
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  So you've got, you know, craftspeople and so forth that,
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  that come and I've heard and seen some examples of You know
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  religious bigotry or just intolerance being displayed from
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  certain extremists real Fringe groups of the in the name of
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  their religion protesting against pagans that gather
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  peacefully and have events. Like we have I think you're
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  going to see that in a matter where you go and that's that's a
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  very real thing. I mean, in some places you
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  probably see it worse than others.
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  Ashley in the South, but There, it's usually just, you know, all
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  bark and no bite. I've not heard of anything
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  recently, at least and that could be just, you know, because
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  of the times and stuff that we're in, everybody's got a
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  phone, everybody's got a recording device and if you
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  know, you do something stupid nowadays, no matter who you are,
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  you're going to have people documenting, it recording it and
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  put in your name, and your image and everything on blast.
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  And you know, you got all this meat.
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  Tension. And sometimes that's what people
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  want, right? They want to be, they want their
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  15 minutes of fame. They want to be known for
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  something whether it's you know, good or not.
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  So they do these things to Garner that attention and you
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  know the reactions that they get it, it's like fodder, you know
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  what I mean? Like a fuels there.
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  Their hatred and it fuels their intolerance.
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  So, you know, I find the best thing to do is, you know, ignore
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  the trolls, the real ones on public and the ones that are
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  online to don't, don't feed the trolls, you know, and then they
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  eventually get bored and they go and they find other things to do
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  that, don't involve you, but it is.
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  It's one of those things that you just, you can't get away
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  from in like personal type things you like.
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  So if you go to events, you're going to see those types.
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  Heck, even go to concerts nowadays.
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  You Any kind of extreme rock and roll music metal music,
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  whatever. I was at a show in Nashville, I
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  think it was Alice in Chains, you know, and corn and there
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  were, you know, people outside, you know, picketing outside of
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  the the arena, you know, just being extra with their, you
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  know, you're going to hell this and that and whatever I'm like.
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  Yeah. But so are my ancestors.
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  They're actually there waiting for me and I have no problem
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  with that and it's not the same hell that you're thinking of
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  kind of thing. But you know, I don't again, I
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  don't feed into the the desire for attention that these people
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  seem to Not be able to function without, you know, but it exists
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  even more so online when people can be anonymous and hide behind
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  a fake persona. Or they can just behave,
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  however, which way they want to behave, with little to no
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  consequences for said, Behavior. You know what's the worst that's
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  going to happen? You know, your accounts going to
• 20:28
  get banned or you're going to get a shadow banned from the
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  platform for saying a certain word or string of words, right?
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  And then you know, you'll get your access restored and you
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  come back and you can do it again.
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  And some people just again, they Thrive off of that type of
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  stuff, and I'll just make a new account and I'll be back and
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  I'll be, you know, All that silliness and nonsense, but it
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  does it exists. So, you know, it all becomes
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  part of this. Pagans living amongst non pagans
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  or living in a society with with non pagans and some of the
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  challenges that we face I guess. One of the big things, you know,
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  when I hear about stuff like this, I didn't really get like a
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  solid question out of Debbie's. Question is, you know how pagans
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  live in a society surrounded by non pagans?
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  Well, I mean you just live your day today you know but what
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  could be some things that maybe we can learn from each other.
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  That improve our life and also improve the life of those around
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  us that we share existence in space and all that with.
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  So I'll tell you, I mean, how do I live as a pagan in a society
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  with non pagans? I live just fine.
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  I live just Just just peachy, right?
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  None of what the non pagans do, what nothing.
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  That the Christians do, nothing that the Muslims do nothing.
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  That the Hindus do, nothing that the Buddhists do.
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  Nothing that the atheists, do nothing at the agnostics, do
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  right? Doesn't bother me.
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  Doesn't doesn't affect me because they are not woven into
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  my inner circle, my in the yard or in and guard.
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  So they are outside, they are shooting guard, they are without
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  and so those those things have very little to do with anything
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  that I have going on because what I have going on is tending
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  to what is within. And so, I remember at a time
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  being very much concerned with Things.
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  I was hearing on the news, right?
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  Or the latest I don't know. Bit of tea, if you will or the
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  latest gossip, amongst the pig and communities about who said
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  what about whom or who, you know, is a racist and who's a
• 22:59
  fascist and who's a leftist communist and who's of this and
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  whose it, that, right? I I briefly got tied up into
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  some some pretty heavy-duty allegations and things with some
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  pretty, you know. Well, known and prominent people
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  in pig, in the Pagan community. And yes, there were some
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  definite things that I couldn't sit silent about because and I'm
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  not going to revisit old history or try to, but for the sake of
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  this podcast, you know, there were there was content that I
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  had put out that included a guest and that person was was
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  outed in the Pagan Community as saying some very derogatory
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  hateful and Things and I'm like, I can't be silent about that
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  because I literally have this person on as a guest on my
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  channel. And so, you know, you're almost
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  forced in a position to make a stand about it.
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  You can't remain silent. I mean, I guess you can.
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  But again, remaining silent and not saying anything and just
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  hoping for the whole thing to blow over, whatever.
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  I don't know, to me. That's like there's a fine line
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  between stuff like that. Choosing your battles and and
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  not. Not doing anything and I didn't
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  want to, I didn't want to follow the the, the steps to just not
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  do anything. I didn't want to remain stagnant
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  or or, you know, in different about it.
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  I wanted to make a very clear stand on my, on my views on
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  everything and so I did. But with that being said, like I
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  realize like man, you know, there is there so much toxicity
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  that exists in almost any Online public forum and you know, you
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  take on some of those risks. When you do stuff like this, if
• 24:48
  you you know, work hard enough and you put yourself out here on
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  a platform that you know, Garners attention that people
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  subscribe, listen view watch, you know, hold you in a position
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  of this guy seems to know what he's talking about and hold you
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  in a certain esteem. You know, you have an obligation
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  to At least other. This is why I say, no, I have a
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  responsibility and obligation to maintain my reputation and, and,
• 25:16
  and have it to be such. That is one of Honor, you know,
• 25:22
  and that, if I'm caught in the midst of something that either I
• 25:26
  didn't know about, or I was misled about that when I find it
• 25:30
  the truth. And when I find, you know, the
• 25:33
  actual facts that I'm that I'm speaking to them.
• 25:39
  And, you know, so that that may be going off a little bit into
• 25:43
  the weeds with the question. But, you know, living pagans, as
• 25:47
  you know, living as a pagan amongst non pagans, or living in
• 25:49
  a society, as a pagan with so many of the non pagans, again,
• 25:53
  I've learned to just really kind of reel it back.
• 25:55
  Mind my own business. There are plenty of other
• 25:58
  creators out here that are pagan heathens that are Advocates and
• 26:03
  active forces in said movements, Where they have a very prominent
• 26:10
  and active role in the public eye and they do good work, they
• 26:16
  do phenomenal work and they're good at what they do and I leave
• 26:19
  that stuff is stuff to them. And I know they want to broaden
• 26:24
  their paganism where their Heathen read to a larger
• 26:28
  audience and expand it in a way that is manageable for them.
• 26:34
  Then by all means I applaud and support that.
• 26:37
  That's It's great. I try to kind of keep close tabs
• 26:41
  on the people who I know are the good ones.
• 26:44
  That way, I always can refer people that have questions if
• 26:49
  they're looking for you. No more resources to kind of be
• 26:54
  a part of their Pagan Journey that I can refer, you know, and
• 26:58
  I also at the same time, try to keep an eye on the less than
• 27:01
  than good ones or if you know if somebody on that good side of
• 27:06
  public facing even real. Or public-facing paganism, says
• 27:09
  something about another group that can be substantiated and
• 27:12
  validated. Then I'm going to more inclined
• 27:14
  to obviously do your own research, makes you make your
• 27:18
  own claims. Don't know your own things, but
• 27:20
  when you've got somebody who has such a good reputation in the
• 27:24
  Pagan Community saying saying things about some something, or
• 27:28
  someone else, you know, you got to think they've got their
• 27:31
  reputation on the line to, so, to come out and to say something
• 27:34
  of a complete falsehood could be damaging.
• 27:37
  To one's reputation your frame. You know, I've talked about that
• 27:42
  before, it's definitely a thing when you do things in life, it's
• 27:48
  It's either building or destroying building upper or
• 27:53
  tearing down your reputation, your refrain.
• 27:56
  And at the end of it all when your body dies as our Kinsman
• 28:00
  and an in cattle died, also the one thing that won't die is our
• 28:04
  reputation, so it's it is such an important thing that we
• 28:09
  Preserve it and preserve it with honor.
• 28:12
  So, one of the ways that I do that is to again, not get caught
• 28:16
  up in the minutiae of online arguments.
• 28:20
  You know, what's the latest? He said, she said BS about
• 28:24
  paganism. You know, who's the fascist now,
• 28:28
  who's misappropriating? What?
• 28:29
  Symbols, I mean, it's, it's ongoing.
• 28:32
  It has been ongoing and I think it'll be ongoing for a while
• 28:36
  because again, some of the Some of the things that get
• 28:40
  appropriated for. Nefarious purposes certain
• 28:46
  symbols words, even, you know, that, that's, that's a long hard
• 28:53
  road to travel down in the, in the attempts of repairing.
• 29:00
  The the skewed views that certain groups have have
• 29:04
  Acquired and accumulated over centuries, right?
• 29:07
  It's tough to convince people that, you know, the swastika is
• 29:12
  not a racist symbol. Has been appropriated to mean
• 29:17
  something that of that nature, but in its origin, and, and
• 29:20
  originally speaking, historically it is not and had
• 29:23
  no racism tied to it. It's difficult if not
• 29:28
  impossible, to change the perception of the population
• 29:31
  because of what literally happened in the 1940s and in
• 29:36
  Germany, right? So again, it's, you know, living
• 29:42
  pay as a pagan amongst non pagans.
• 29:43
  It's it is a it is definitely a pick, your battles sort of thing
• 29:49
  and don't don't and don't be surprised if when you pick the
• 29:53
  wrong battle, not to say that picking a battle to fight is not
• 29:58
  Noble, and that there isn't a place for that, but don't be
• 30:00
  surprised if you bite a little bit off, more than you can chew
• 30:03
  and then find yourself in the middle of something that you
• 30:06
  have a hard time getting out of And I know that in my Heathen,
• 30:12
  Orion, in the way that I practice, I'm all about the the
• 30:18
  what is within, you know, the Inner Circle, the in and the
• 30:21
  auditor the in and guard in her yard, all the words, I'm saying
• 30:25
  mean the same thing. It's just how you pronounce
• 30:26
  them, right? Those are the things that
• 30:29
  concern me. Those are the things to build
• 30:31
  and preserve the luck of my own luck.
• 30:35
  My coming, you write my inherited luck.
• 30:37
  The luck that I Accumulate through my own Deeds, my own
• 30:40
  actions. And then the the the the
• 30:42
  collective luck of our tribe, you know, and, and adding that
• 30:48
  to the well and growing the tribe in a way that's going to
• 30:52
  give something to the Future. Whether it's, you know, children
• 30:56
  or other people that are going to be coming into this, you
• 31:01
  know, younger people literally aged younger than us that when
• 31:05
  our bodies go there, still the tribe that we built.
• 31:08
  Now continues on, and it doesn't die with one person or one
• 31:12
  family. It it continues on.
• 31:14
  That's what's important to me. Not, you know, not some of the
• 31:19
  You know, the I guess for lack of a better term, you know,
• 31:22
  BuzzFeed level articles of what's going on in the world.
• 31:27
  That doesn't really concern me. So I stay out of it all to the
• 31:31
  for the most part and I mind my own business and the business
• 31:34
  that I mind is again that of myself and my tribe, you know
• 31:38
  what we're doing to grow and yeah you got to be bump you got
• 31:44
  to be mindful of bigger picture stuff, right?
• 31:46
  It's this is the world that we live in regardless of Your Pagan
• 31:49
  or not. You know, the other thing that I
• 31:52
  that I tend to not do is and I see a lot of this is are used to
• 31:57
  see a lot of it. I maybe don't look in the
• 31:59
  direction to see what I'm about to talk about much anymore, but
• 32:03
  I'm sure it's still out there is that and pagans tend to
• 32:09
  especially like this like Norse pagans, Newer Norse pagans newer
• 32:15
  Germanic Pagan say, they get down this, they get off that
• 32:20
  they get on this kick you know, where they go down.
• 32:23
  This road of Despising, Christians and talking bad on
• 32:29
  Christians, and just, you know, hating the religion itself
• 32:33
  because of certain key things, you know, and you got to be real
• 32:40
  careful with that stuff guys. And I get it, I mean, I grew up
• 32:45
  in Christianity. I was raised in a
• 32:47
  non-denominational form of Christianity.
• 32:50
  Some would argue my wife included that it was a cult and
• 32:53
  I see the reasons why That it said of that Nate you know why
• 32:57
  that said. But at the end of the day I look
• 33:02
  back and I go well I I you know I learned some of the things
• 33:05
  about life, I learned how a community works together with
• 33:11
  each other, despite the differences, despite the
• 33:13
  challenges, how a community comes together and looks out for
• 33:16
  one another. I learned that that essence of
• 33:18
  tribalism by living in a community that was Built off of
• 33:24
  you know, quote-unquote Christian values.
• 33:26
  Okay. so that that was something that I don't necessarily
• 33:32
  attribute the Christian doctrine to because again, you can do
• 33:36
  that without having those Without having the dogmatic
• 33:42
  elements. But there's a, there's something
• 33:48
  to be said for for that when I look back and as a pagan now I
• 33:53
  can't. Yeah.
• 33:54
  I can, I can look back and I can say, well, you know, there's
• 33:57
  certain things about the doctrine or there were certain
• 33:59
  things about the way they did things that just you know I
• 34:02
  don't jive with they don't make literal sense, they don't make
• 34:05
  any logical sense, right? I can rationalize things pretty
• 34:08
  well and say that doesn't, that doesn't make sense. it's but to
• 34:11
  come at it from an angle of like all Christians are bad and you
• 34:14
  know we should blood eagle, the mall and all this other kind of
• 34:17
  just like inherently violent things to do against people just
• 34:20
  because of way that way they believe like guys you realize
• 34:23
  that's that's the very thing that you that like if you want
• 34:28
  to like the tables are flip, like that's what the Christian's
• 34:32
  did to you, they they hated the pagans at the time, for not
• 34:37
  believing in their Christian God and they would do the the
• 34:42
  various things about, you know, whether it's killing or
• 34:46
  pillaging and raping. Or I mean, just doing all
• 34:48
  terrible things that the pagans, you know, and that's, you know,
• 34:50
  it goes both ways, you know, people didn't like being invaded
• 34:55
  or raided and so they would retaliate and, you know,
• 34:58
  religion aside who which God you believe in whatever.
• 35:02
  People were really. And are still just really
• 35:06
  terrible. People are terrible regardless
• 35:09
  of the religion that they that they follow their there's good
• 35:12
  pagans and there's good Christians and there's terrible
• 35:14
  Christians and there's terrible pagans, guys.
• 35:17
  Hope you're not you know just now realizing that I hope that,
• 35:21
  you know, that the goodness or the violets illness, volatility
• 35:29
  of a person is not measured by the god or gods that they choose
• 35:33
  to. You know, people are the way
• 35:37
  they are because of what is inside.
• 35:40
  And yes, you can say that there are factors about the religion
• 35:43
  of people are driven to do incredible things, both good and
• 35:47
  bad, incredible things of an incredible nature in the name of
• 35:51
  their God, or the nor in the name of their religion, people
• 35:53
  can find strength, inspiration, power motivation, all these
• 35:59
  things to accomplish great things.
• 36:03
  In the name of their God or in the name of their religion.
• 36:10
  And so it's it's really ultimately I say what is what is
• 36:16
  deep down within you, what drives you what is the purpose
• 36:18
  behind? What you do you can you can make
• 36:21
  excuses of why you're doing it because of well it's what the
• 36:24
  Bible says or oh, because I this is with the way my ancestors
• 36:28
  lived, you know? And again, you can use that you
• 36:34
  can use that reasoning and you can use that excuse to, to do
• 36:37
  good things. Things of a good nature.
• 36:39
  You can use that to accomplish things of an evil and diabolical
• 36:43
  nature as well. so, Pagans living in a society with non
• 36:54
  pagans. I I don't really see it so much
• 36:57
  as an issue anymore. Again, we live in such a time
• 37:00
  and then in a society now where you can pretty much do almost
• 37:04
  anything relatively speaking, where you can do most anything
• 37:08
  and not get bothered for it. At least here in the United
• 37:11
  States. I'm not speaking largely in the
• 37:14
  sense of the bigger picture of the world, right globally.
• 37:20
  Because, unfortunately, Actually, there are definitely
• 37:21
  still some places that you go, which are heavily policed, and
• 37:28
  in, and monitored and, and forced in ways that, you know,
• 37:33
  take away basic human rights, which is a terrible thing.
• 37:38
  But here in the United States and even in the South where, you
• 37:41
  know, again, if you want to do a comparison of pagans versus
• 37:45
  Christians, I mean, Christians got us outnumbered a lot, but
• 37:52
  the nice thing about at least down here is that, you know,
• 37:55
  people just are long as you're not bothering him for the most
• 37:59
  part. Again, if you long as you're not
• 38:00
  bothering them, then they're not going to bother you.
• 38:04
  You know, the biggest problem, I think that we see comes from
• 38:07
  some of these Fringe groups, write some of these radical
• 38:11
  extremists one way or the other that get press and and bad
• 38:19
  presses is press, you know what I mean?
• 38:20
  So they'll get on TV or they'll get they'll get the news that
• 38:25
  that covers their stuff, you know what I mean?
• 38:27
  Like I remember it wasn't all that long ago where you know,
• 38:31
  the the The AFA or whatever had a has we still do.
• 38:37
  Again, that's how disconnect that I am with the whole thing.
• 38:39
  Because that's, you know, it's input Minnesota.
• 38:40
  But they've got, they had this this church building that they
• 38:43
  bought. And it's, you know, it's a
• 38:45
  whites-only establishment, right?
• 38:49
  So, they don't, if you're a person of color and and then
• 38:54
  some of these other things, you know, you're not you're not
• 38:55
  welcome to the coming and be a part of it and that's clearly.
• 39:00
  Bullshit, right? That's fascist, that's racist,
• 39:03
  that's horrible. But hey, you know, the great old
• 39:10
  United States Constitution says that they can do it.
• 39:12
  And so that made the news and then you had people that counter
• 39:15
  protested, it like Tack, and some of these other people who
• 39:20
  had again took a very specific stance against what a fa was
• 39:24
  doing and without again, going into the specifics of 85 either
• 39:28
  organization. Again, it's that type of stuff
• 39:32
  that gets the Press, right? It's that kind of activity.
• 39:34
  Meanwhile, you've got you know, probably dozens if not hundreds
• 39:38
  of other smaller groups of pagans just living peacefully
• 39:41
  doing their own thing. You know, tying weird with one
• 39:44
  another building and establishing luck you know, and
• 39:48
  doing great things and their own respective communities.
• 39:51
  We just don't see it. We just don't hear about it.
• 39:53
  People don't have YouTube channels to talk about it which
• 39:56
  is I think great. I mean, keep keep your practice.
• 40:00
  As private as you can to I guess, preserve the sanctity and
• 40:06
  the serenity of it all. But if you're out here like
• 40:09
  someone like me talking about your experiences, that's great
• 40:13
  too. But it's not for everybody and
• 40:17
  not everybody is going to do it you know not everybody should be
• 40:21
  doing it. Not everybody has Enough to
• 40:25
  really share about it. But there are plenty of channels
• 40:30
  like mine right there. Plenty of pagans out here that
• 40:32
  are voicing their concerns, their Penny, plenty of people
• 40:36
  that have podcasts and have a voice and share their voice with
• 40:40
  the world and talk about their experiences and share their
• 40:42
  knowledge. So I mean, pagans living in a
• 40:47
  society with non pagans. I mean, we're here, we're here
• 40:50
  guys. I know we're we're we're not
• 40:52
  you're not going to chase us away.
• 40:54
  I'm talking about like the Christians.
• 40:56
  Are you going to run us off this time?
• 40:57
  We're going to chase us away. If anything, you know the stuff
• 41:01
  that we hear about in the media that typically tries to put a
• 41:05
  bad light or misunderstanding on paganism.
• 41:08
  If anything what that does is it is it Sparks people like myself
• 41:11
  to educate more and to try to share more knowledge?
• 41:14
  That way, you know the bad things that you heard about it
• 41:17
  or the misinformation like well you guys are nothing but a bunch
• 41:20
  of devil worshippers, right? Or your Godless Pagan.
• 41:22
  I mean, number one, If the devil is part of your worship, then
• 41:27
  you're not really Pagan. Your Lucifer, your Satanist, I
• 41:30
  guess, if you want to, and that's not even 100% accurate.
• 41:33
  Because which brand of Satanism, are you talking about here?
• 41:37
  It's, you know, most satanists I've heard, you know, that I
• 41:41
  know of her don't don't have a literal deity that they worship
• 41:43
  if anything. The devil as a deity would be
• 41:46
  Lucifer a fallen angel in that is definitely a deity.
• 41:49
  That I know people venerating worship.
• 41:53
  Lucifer is as Fallen angel or that demon and some, you know,
• 41:58
  occult and, you know, key and type beliefs.
• 42:01
  He's a part of their practices and I have a friend and he's
• 42:04
  been on the channel for Richard, you know, who has, who has
• 42:08
  invoked her Incorporated Lucifer into his ritual, magic, and
• 42:12
  practices. So, but that's number one,
• 42:15
  number two, a Godless Pagan. I mean can you get any more
• 42:18
  oxymoronic? You know, I have more Gods than
• 42:24
  The monotheism believers. Do you know what I mean?
• 42:27
  Like a Godless Pagan that makes literally no sense.
• 42:32
  We have many gods and goddesses, and spirits that we venerate in
• 42:36
  their own way, in our own ways, right?
• 42:40
  So again, to, to kind of Educate and to show people that are
• 42:45
  misunderstood or scared. Even, you know, like I've had
• 42:48
  that happen before to where I've been in a excuse me, I've been
• 42:51
  in a ritual Ensemble, you know where I've had my face painted,
• 42:56
  or had a mask on or I've had a look on my face or I've been
• 43:00
  done up in some sort of way, that that changes my physical
• 43:04
  appearance. And this is one of the things
• 43:09
  that I think really put the nail in the coffin as it were for my
• 43:12
  Actions with my family. As, you know, I had a picture
• 43:14
  online of I was taken, you know, kind of stills of a ritual that
• 43:20
  I was doing after the rich or whatever, but I was taking some
• 43:24
  some photos for it to share the story about it.
• 43:26
  And one of the photos is Me with like face paint on, you know,
• 43:32
  buying ruined or something on my head.
• 43:33
  And then you know I was in trying to guess capture the
• 43:39
  state of altered awareness altered Consciousness so I had
• 43:43
  my eyes rolled up in the back of my head you know?
• 43:44
  I mean so you don't see my my iris is my pupils or whatever
• 43:48
  just see the whites of my eyes and that picture my gosh man
• 43:52
  like that. Pictured got my side of the
• 43:55
  family in New York like up all up in arms time.
• 43:58
  How I'ma look possessed. And and that was again, one of
• 44:03
  the things that has prevented me from talking to my dying father
• 44:09
  or visiting my family. And all, you know, my niece who
• 44:13
  was born last year, she's about a year and a half old now that
• 44:20
  I've never met in person and don't know if I ever will
• 44:23
  because of stuff like that, you know, because of pictures and
• 44:27
  it's kind of like have you never Ever been to the movies.
• 44:29
  Have you never watched a play of you've never seen someone take
• 44:34
  on the form of a character as it were?
• 44:36
  And that's kind of where I was coming at it.
• 44:37
  From was like, Hey, you know, this is this is a portion of me
• 44:40
  because it's more than just acting.
• 44:41
  It's not even acting really it's yes.
• 44:44
  Maybe for the sake of the picture was a Persona or an act
• 44:48
  to capture the essence of what I was doing.
• 44:50
  But I mean, that stuff is very real and it exists and is in his
• 44:54
  wholesome. It's not anything to be afraid
• 44:56
  of and I understand the reason why because Does it there's a
• 44:59
  shock value to it but so is Alice Cooper, man.
• 45:01
  Like so is you know. So worse over the Rolling
• 45:04
  Stones, those Ozzy Osbourne. So we're some of us, these pop
• 45:07
  media icons of extreme music that have a nose even aren't
• 45:14
  that extreme, to be honest with you, but, you know, they've done
• 45:17
  crazy things and and gotten the media hype, but they're, you
• 45:20
  know, Everyday People. I'm an everyday person.
• 45:23
  You know this this thing that you see right here, I don't, you
• 45:27
  know, go to Kroger dress like This wish I could really what's
• 45:31
  stopping you? Either?
• 45:32
  What's stopping us from wearing tunics and walking around in
• 45:35
  robes. I mean, nothing really nothing
• 45:37
  illegal about it but again, I don't go out in public like
• 45:40
  this, you know, I have a podcast.
• 45:42
  I have a I have a platform, you know?
• 45:44
  So this is part of the visual The experience, this is what you
• 45:49
  guys come here to watch, you know, you don't come to watch a
• 45:53
  guy in regular plain clothes. He come here to listen and watch
• 45:56
  what you got here. So, again, it's all part of it
• 45:59
  and it doesn't, it doesn't just define a person because of what
• 46:03
  you see on the surface, it's very superficial.
• 46:05
  It's very shallow if you ask me to draw conclusions about
• 46:11
  someone. Anyone based off of just what
• 46:14
  you see. You know, their appearance.
• 46:20
  Whatever. So, I say that when it comes to
• 46:27
  Pagans living amongst non pagans and how I guess how we can do
• 46:33
  it. It really is not that hard.
• 46:35
  If you just focus on what you're trying to do and what you're
• 46:38
  trying to do, with the people who want to do the same thing or
• 46:41
  things. As you your community, Your
• 46:44
  Inner Circle, tribes your inner yards, your Clans your hearts,
• 46:47
  your hearts, whatever you label, you know, the extensions of your
• 46:53
  families as or, you know, whatever it is that you got
• 46:56
  focus on. Right.
• 46:59
  And and try not to just be inherently ill towards anybody
• 47:03
  else regardless of what they believe whether they're
• 47:05
  Christians whether they're not. You know, they're not coming
• 47:09
  around bothering you. And again everything is a little
• 47:12
  bit different for everybody. You might have that neighbor who
• 47:15
  every time you go outside to play, your drum is going to come
• 47:18
  out there on their porch and scream at you and just Beach,
• 47:21
  generally intolerable of your presence where you might have,
• 47:25
  you know, if you live in an apartment and you're listening
• 47:27
  to music and you may have again Neighbors.
• 47:29
  Of below you next to you depending on the building
• 47:32
  structure that you're in, right, that particularly thin walls,
• 47:36
  whatever that you know, could you maybe got to be respectful
• 47:40
  of each other's go? You know space that you will
• 47:43
  cohabitate and things like that. I mean it's it's really doesn't
• 47:48
  it. None of it really is is
• 47:51
  inherently. Just Pagan versus non pagans,
• 47:54
  it's just, you know, being a decent human being.
• 47:56
  And then when others aren't, you know, you have measures that you
• 47:58
  can take. Either need to adjust your
• 48:01
  lifestyle a little bit, or if they're being unreasonable, you
• 48:04
  can address it in a lawful and decent way, you know, depending
• 48:11
  on where you are, that could mean a lot of things.
• 48:14
  And we'll just leave it at that. You know, some places in the
• 48:19
  South, there you go. People don't have 911 on their
• 48:25
  dial pad, so they just handle their own business.
• 48:28
  You know what I mean, and anywhere else for that matter?
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  But again, it's it doesn't, it doesn't to me, it doesn't come
• 48:34
  back to, you know, Pagan versus non Pagan.
• 48:36
  It's, you know, people are just people and there's diversity
• 48:39
  that exists that we all have to consider and be considerate of,
• 48:44
  okay, I am openly pagan But I don't go around running outside
• 48:49
  dancing, around a fire screaming at the top of my lungs because
• 48:52
  I've got neighbors that are eight feet, ten feet away.
• 48:55
  And the next lat, you know, not going to be disrespectful of
• 49:00
  their disrespectful of their space just because I'm a
• 49:03
  practicing Pagan. I'm going to be respectful of of
• 49:06
  my neighbors. You know what I mean?
• 49:11
  I actually had this told to me one time when I went, when I
• 49:14
  was, when I was visiting my family in New York, you know,
• 49:16
  my, my parents definitely Don't agree with me as a as being
• 49:19
  Heathen. Clearly.
• 49:22
  And I remember I went to their house and, you know, I have a
• 49:26
  shirt. My wife got for me from
• 49:29
  grimfrost and it says, Heathen right on it.
• 49:34
  Big hammer on the chest of it says he even across the top.
• 49:41
  And of course I wear my hammer usually outside of my shirt, you
• 49:44
  know? And I went there and I hadn't
• 49:46
  thought anything of it, right? Because they knew they had known
• 49:49
  that I was Pagan Heathen, whatever.
• 49:51
  And I you know, just wear the shirt wasn't like I was trying
• 49:53
  to push it in front of their faces or flaunt it or anything.
• 49:57
  I just was wearing a shirt, same shirt.
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  I wear day in and day out everywhere.
• 50:01
  I wasn't any kind of Declaration for me but it was perceived by
• 50:05
  them as a disrespectful act. Now, is that kind of nuts is
• 50:11
  that kind of crazy. You could say that.
• 50:15
  But at the same time, it's their house, their haul, their call,
• 50:18
  their rules, and if their haul rules are that, you know, we
• 50:24
  don't want you come in here, looking like that, wearing that
• 50:26
  type of clothing. Then I, as a guest of their home
• 50:30
  should respect that and I should, you know, again, if you
• 50:33
  were to walk into a home of perhaps, you know, someone of
• 50:39
  Asian culture, And it was their custom to take their shoes off
• 50:43
  and you walk in the house with their shoot with your shoes on
• 50:46
  knowing that that's an offense and you do it anyway.
• 50:50
  I mean that's kind of, that's that makes you pretty crappy
• 50:53
  person, you know and mean and well you could you could say,
• 50:58
  well that's not my culture, you know, I walk in my house with my
• 51:01
  shoes on all the time, that's fine.
• 51:02
  You can do that when you're in your house or anywhere else
• 51:04
  besides there. So, the lesson learned for me,
• 51:08
  was yeah, when or if I ever go back to New York to visit, My
• 51:11
  family that I will not openly where my hammer they know I'm
• 51:15
  paying. And I know I'm paying that
• 51:16
  doesn't have to be something that I need to put on and I
• 51:19
  don't have a point to prove, okay.
• 51:22
  Most of you people don't either, you know, so quit trying to be.
• 51:25
  Like I remember hearing people talking about how they're going
• 51:28
  to walk into a church again because, you know, they're going
• 51:31
  to kick me out or I'm not gonna, you know, if I go into a church,
• 51:33
  I'm going to wear my, my hammer, you know, loud and proud.
• 51:37
  And it's why, what do you have to prove?
• 51:41
  Move going into a church for whatever it might be, could be a
• 51:46
  relative's baptism. Could be something that your
• 51:49
  family wanted you to do and you just, you know, you do it out of
• 51:51
  respect for them. Right?
• 51:52
  I mean, like, come on guys, like you're not gonna you're not a
• 51:56
  bad Pagan just because you go to church and your, if anything,
• 52:01
  it's kind of its tainting, your own reputation, it's making you
• 52:06
  look pretty Petty. if you just, if you go in there, just to try
• 52:10
  to stir the pot, what do these people do to you?
• 52:14
  Probably nothing. You know, and I'm just using my
• 52:18
  own examples, again, I don't know.
• 52:19
  Everybody else is situation and I'm not trying to, you know,
• 52:25
  tell you that, you know, your reasons are invalid or anything
• 52:28
  like that. I'm just saying for the most
• 52:30
  part, I think that a lot of people that get up in arms and
• 52:33
  get kind of, you know, agitated with the Christian population,
• 52:39
  as, as pagans, right people that get agitated with Christian.
• 52:44
  They did, they're doing it just to be.
• 52:48
  They're doing it just because like they have no real basis for
• 52:51
  foundation on. It's like there's a nobody here.
• 52:54
  That persecuted there's nobody here right now, in today's day
• 52:57
  and age that, you know, hunted you down and tried to kill you,
• 53:00
  because you wouldn't confess and get baptized in the name of
• 53:03
  Jesus Christ. They haven't been doing that for
• 53:07
  a really long time. And if anything, you probably
• 53:10
  have some ancestors that were doing the persecute on the
• 53:14
  pagans, you know what I mean? Like, look, let's face it.
• 53:17
  We're our ancestors Pagan. Yeah, sure.
• 53:20
  A lot of them were and they were also a lot of my answers are
• 53:23
  Christian, the one ancestor of mine who I want to connect with
• 53:27
  the most, my grandmother. died devoutly Christian, you know, so
• 53:36
  I'm sorry, but I'm not going to just hate on somebody because
• 53:40
  that's the religion. They choose to connect with,
• 53:42
  and, and practice and follow them the most right.
• 53:47
  Not going to let that be the thing that I judge somebody on
• 53:52
  going, to let their deeds, speak for themselves.
• 53:54
  I want to let their actions, determine the worth that this
• 53:58
  person has or doesn't have. And that's what I would expect.
• 54:02
  I don't expect my religion to be the thing that One doesn't care
• 54:07
  for me, for right? Like they should determine my
• 54:12
  worth and they should put Worth or value on Me based off of my,
• 54:15
  my actions, my Deeds. That's all I've asked for.
• 54:19
  It's all. I'm going to continue to pursue
• 54:21
  is do things, you know? Because they're right because
• 54:25
  they're good. And if it's my religion, if it's
• 54:27
  my faith, if it's my, if it's my folk way, if it's whatever label
• 54:31
  you want to put to it as that inspires me to want to do it,
• 54:34
  then I guess you could say that. There's probably some truth to
• 54:37
  it, but at the end of the day, you know, I just want to
• 54:42
  coexist, I want to exist peacefully.
• 54:44
  I want to exists wholly. Okay completely, and yes there
• 54:53
  is a there is a connotation between holy as in h, Oly like
• 55:00
  Sanctified. Holy and there's a there's a
• 55:02
  connotation between that and whole as in the completeness My
• 55:07
  talk about that to one day. I forgot about that.
• 55:12
  The correlation to connotations between holy meaning blessed and
• 55:17
  holy meaning complete. I talked about that in the next
• 55:24
  podcast, episode, you never know.
• 55:27
  Let's so, yeah, guys. There's there's some talking
• 55:30
  points, right? Obviously, I don't have all the
• 55:32
  answers and I'm, and, and just thinking about Debbie's
• 55:34
  question. I love it because it puts things
• 55:39
  in my mind that I haven't, maybe thought about, But it's clearly
• 55:43
  something that's on somebody else's mind and it kind of
• 55:46
  plants a seed and it Sparks something for me to weigh in on
• 55:51
  and then you guys get a chance to hear and you get to weigh in
• 55:54
  on it and as I mentioned before in the beginning of the podcast,
• 55:58
  there's all kinds of ways that you can do it.
• 56:00
  You know, calling in emailing you can send me a message on
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• 56:05
  If you at me anywhere else like Instagram, I'll see it
• 56:08
  eventually but I don't have direct access to that.
• 56:11
  So you know, Facebook and Twitter, the best social media
• 56:15
  platforms. And, of course, here on YouTube
• 56:17
  or just emailing or calling either way.
• 56:19
  But yes, have your voice heard share your thoughts as well and
• 56:23
  become part of this whole ramblings thing that's going on
• 56:26
  every week here on multiple platforms actually old all's
• 56:31
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• 56:34
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• 57:18
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• 58:06
  So as you are listening and watching this on this Thursday,
• 58:09
  just know that I send my best wishes to you from.
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• 58:30
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• 58:34
  Thanks.