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Tucker Interview by Brett Keane · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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Today we're going to be doing an interview with Tucker.
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Tucker's a pretty awesome Christian.
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He's got a YouTube channel. I'm going to allow him to spend
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some time plugging it and telling us about his content and
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what got him started on his adventure all.
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Righty then. Well, did you want me to
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introduce myself? Sure.
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You're Tucker, right? Absolutely.
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So I'm Tucker 1611. My handle is easy Believer
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Tucker. Essentially what got me started
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on YouTube. I did actually try to open my
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account about two years ago when that's when I created my YouTube
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channel. You know, I was kind of inspired
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by some of the people I've sort of watched, I guess around the
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YouTube sphere. I remember I would watch people
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like I guess I remember like 2 years ago, I used to follow like
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this Catholic truth guy. I remember when I was Catholic,
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well that was about 3 years ago. But then I would follow people
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like Wretched Radio, Todd Freo, I'm not sure if you're familiar
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with him, but he was a Calvinist or he is a Calvinist rather.
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And I'd also follow people like Alan Parr I believe his name
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was. And eventually I found someone
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by the name of Jack Smack 77. I also found other YouTube
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channels like Fuego Savi. That's what that's sort of what
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inspired me to create my channel back in May of 2023.
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And unfortunately it didn't really start out successful.
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So I didn't do things right when I first started the Channel 2
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years ago. So I kind of sort of put it on
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the back burner. But what got me to revitalize it
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a couple of months ago back in March was my experience with
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battling cancer. And you know, I remember at the
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time after I, after I finished my treatment back in December,
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late December of last year, I had to go for major surgery.
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And this surgery was actually lymph node dissection.
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I'm not sure if you're familiar with that, but basically I had
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to get lymph nodes removed in order to prevent any spread of
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further cancer. And it just, I remember at the
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time, back in February was when I was going to get that major
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surgery. And I remember at the time I was
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so anxious about the surgery. It was, I mean, I've had surgery
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before, but it's never been that major.
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Like that surgery lasted for six to seven hours.
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I was told after the fact and I was so anxious about it.
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And I remember thinking to myself, I just really want to
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get the gospel out. I want to get the gospel out so
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badly. And so I went on my TikTok, I
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went on, I even made a new Instagram account at that point
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and started sharing the gospel publicly to people.
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And then I remember after my surgery, when I was recovering
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for the next couple weeks, I remember near the end of my
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recovery, I went back to my YouTube channel and revitalized
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it. And I was trying my best to sort
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of the first couple of videos I made was the shorts that I
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uploaded to my TikTok and my Instagram.
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And I just did the whole thing was I just really wanted to get
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the gospel out to people and I wanted to do the the work of God
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while I was still here on earth. I can appreciate that.
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So you didn't feel like you were doing right before, but you
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were. You were talking about God
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before, weren't you? The reason?
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Well, when I said I didn't do right, what I meant was I
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didn't, I didn't utilize YouTube in the correct way in the sense
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that I wasn't able to get views and I didn't use the the website
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the right way. So I didn't know how to tag
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videos, I didn't know how to use tags, hashtags, things like
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that. So my videos would get like 20
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views basically at the beginning.
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And so like I was like, OK, I kind of gave up at that point.
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But later when I learned YouTube a little bit better, that's
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around this year, I sort of went back to it, if that makes sense.
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Oh, I get it. So basically it was a format
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concept of just trying to figure out how to actually advertise
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videos, but they were already good, it's just you weren't able
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to get seen as what you get now. I only uploaded 2 videos before
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and I deleted them so like but in 2023 and in 2024 I uploaded
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one video each and both of them didn't get any good views.
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That's why I deleted them. But yeah, I mean, that's
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basically a format issue. So what is it that you is it
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just about the gospel that you want to produce videos about?
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Or do you feel like news, politics or anything's going on
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in culture, entertainment, things like that?
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Or or do you have a strict idea of a plan?
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Recently I've been trying to incorporate a little bit of
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politics in my videos. I did one or two videos about a
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political matter. One of my videos including
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Charlie Kirk and his and sort of his political takes.
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And I think I did another video that was somewhat political and
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religious. I had to do with Charlie Kirk
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once again. But most of my content is
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specifically Christian oriented. It's more so religious.
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I do actually do videos exposing people who I believe are
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teaching a false gospel. And I also do videos talking
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about theological discussions. You know, I, I used to have a
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series called Unpacking Biblical Truths.
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I don't really add to that as much anymore.
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And I recently just started a series called Why I am not or in
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some cases Why I am no longer. So I used to be Catholic and Why
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I'm no longer Catholic. The first video I released is
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Why I am No Longer a Free Gracer and that was actually released
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yesterday. So that's a new series that's
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kind of been inspired by a few different people.
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I know a few different people have that series.
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I know Robert Breaker had that series and over Dean Zumer had
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that series. Those guys had the series like
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that on their channel. So it's it's kind of inspired by
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them. Why?
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What was the spark, though, that brought you into Christianity?
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Were you born to a religious homestead, or did it come later?
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What was it that ignited your faith?
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So I was raised in a Jewish household actually.
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And The thing is I never really felt connected to the Jewish
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religion. And about, I want to say my
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entire life, I've kind of always gravitated towards Christianity,
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even dating back to when I was nine years old.
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But I didn't seriously like look into Christianity until about, I
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want to say about 6-7 years ago. So 2018 was when I was really
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interested in Christianity because I remember one of my
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history teachers was talking to us about the process and
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reformation and learning about Martin Luther's sort of history
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with the church. It kind of the Catholic Church.
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Of course it resonated with me, and what really resonated me was
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the part about salvation. Did your, you said that you grew
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up in a Jewish homestead? I, I have to let you know,
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'cause I usually tell people this before I get going.
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If there's any questions I ask that you feel are too personal
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or you don't feel like you could properly articulate it to say
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pass and we can move on to the next question.
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Sound good? Absolutely, I appreciate it.
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All right, so you grew up in a Jewish homestead, Mom and dad or
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the guardians that you lived with, they were in the Judaism.
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Yes. How did they react towards you
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wanting to go towards Christianity?
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Was there any kind of stress there?
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So it is funny actually. So they kind of, they kind of
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had that like, like I said, for the last 15 years they've kind
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of been aware of that. Like, you know, I've always
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talked to them about that as a kid.
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But yeah, when I actually came time to like leaving the Jewish
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religion, they weren't too happy about it to say the least.
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But you know, I they've over, over time, they've sort of
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accepted that about me. OK, this next question might be
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a little intense and I have thrown this out there quite a
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few different people. This might be a pass for you,
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but because your parents have different views in you, do you
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have the strict narrow view that they must believe like you are,
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they're going to be in some kind of issue themselves?
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I believe everyone is saved by grace alone through faith alone.
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And when you say like trouble, well, I believe we all have to
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be saved by believing on the word Jesus Christ.
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So I really, genuinely, sincerely hope that they do
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believe on the Lord Jesus Christ at some point.
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All right, fair enough, fair enough.
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So we, you talked a little bit. I, I try to work with you based
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upon what you talk about. You also feel it's very
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important to expose people you said on their false gospels.
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Why do you feel that you had to get involved in that as well as
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doing your your concept of truth?
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You know, I'll be honest, I was kind of inspired to do that by
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individuals such as Jax, Max, 77, Fuego Savvy, Sniffing out
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Pharisees. I'm not sure if you're familiar
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with any of those individuals, but I remember two years ago
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when I started my YouTube channel, I was very much
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inspired by them because at the time, I don't know, I just found
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it. I felt to some degree I found it
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a little bit, you know, interesting.
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I found it somewhat entertaining, but also I found
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it important because a lot of these people don't get don't get
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shown for teaching what they teach like the false teachings
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that they teach, basically. And I actually go after people
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slightly different. Like I've gone after Tucker
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Carlson, I've gone after Charlie Kirk, I've gone after Jordan
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Pearson. A lot of these guys don't get
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exposed at all. Like Jordan Pearson gets exposed
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by a lot of Christians. But like, I notice a lot of
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Christians give guys like Tucker Carlson a pass because he might
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be good on politics. He might be good on, you know,
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Middle Eastern politics like Israel and things like that.
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But I don't think that's a good idea because he is pushing false
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teachings out there when he invites like people like John
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Rich, the country singer on his show.
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But to answer your question, the reason why I've gotten involved
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in that, I was kind of inspired to do that by some of the people
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that I followed or used to follow.
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You said that you're bothered with Tucker because he's brought
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some people on the show. I I don't recognize the the
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person that you mentioned. What is it about that that
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bothers you? Well John Rich was teaching so I
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agree with John Rich that the pre Trib rapture and John Rich
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in case you're not familiar with him, he's a country singer and
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he's a Pentecostal. But John Rich, the thing I took
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issue is I agree with him that the pre Trib rapture is not
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biblical. That's what he was basically
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there to talk to Tucker Carlson about why dispensationalism pre
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Trib are not biblical. But he snuck in there that
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Christians can lose their salvation and then in order to
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be saved during this tribulation, you have to be
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willing to die a physical death and be a martyr essentially.
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So that's why, you know, I, I think it's important to shine a
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light on people like that. And it, I've seen like this
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Internet sort of drama where like people are exposing each
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other on YouTube like that. I've been encouraged to like
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expose and I've gotten requests to expose people like, who have
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like no followers. Like I'm not interested in that.
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I'm interested in going after people like great comfort, like
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Tucker Carlson, like especially people like Tara Carlson because
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he doesn't actually get exposed enough.
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So, you know, I try to stay away from like, exposing people who
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have no followers, if that makes sense, Like, because I think
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it's just a waste of time. Yeah, you're basically going
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after the bigger fish. If you hit the big domino, you
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knock down the little ones along with it, right?
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Yeah, it's fair enough. Have you?
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Let's see, so you said you came from a, a Jewish household and
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then you, you were interested in Catholicism, but there was a
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change there. It seems from what I hear that
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there's been a, a few different modifications for you.
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And there's nothing wrong with that.
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We all grow and and go through changes and accept better
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philosophies as we get older. But what got you into
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Catholicism, and what got you out?
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What's interesting is I can actually did convert to
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Catholicism. I got baptized, confirmed and I
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had the Eucharist and that was a little over three years ago.
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So what can what sort of got me interested in Catholicism was I
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was very philosophical at the time.
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I was very deep interested in, you know, trying to understand
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the world around me. And I feel like Catholicism with
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its continuationist theology is sort of attracting me there
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because at the time I remember, I felt like, you know, I wanted
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to connect with God. I wanted to feel closer to God.
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I wanted a physical sort of interaction with God.
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And, you know, I remember at the time I used to think, well, you
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know, God sort of led me into certain things.
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He sort of spoke to me, not literally, but like not in the
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sense that he was giving me prophecy.
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But, you know, in my personal daily life, I felt like God was
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assisting me, helping me, things like that.
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And I wanted to sort of reconcile that with my faith.
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And one of the things I really liked about the Catholic Church
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was it sort of offered more answers, I guess, to different
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things, not just like about salvation and doctrine
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pertaining to what the Bible said, but actually what other
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like philosophical questions. You know, the I feel like the
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Catholic Church is still this day, I would say is definitely
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doing its best to answer those deep questions.
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But what led me out of the Catholic Church was I remember I
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would be in such great fear about losing my salvation.
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And I remember even a month after I was fully converted into
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the Catholic Church, I was questioning whether or not you
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could even lose your salvation. Because I remember at the time I
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was like, well, it's weird. It was almost like a slow
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process of me sort of leading myself out of the Catholic
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Church. I was like, and it and, and it's
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funny because I did. I did.
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I did stop going to Catholic Church about 8-9 months after I
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converted to Catholicism. And I started identifying myself
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as a Bornian Christian six months after I converted to
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Catholicism. And what sort of led me out of
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the Catholic Church was their views on salvation, to be
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honest, because eventually I did believe in eternal security.
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And I thought to myself, well, I don't think you can lose your
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salvation. I believe I can know I have
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eternal life. And one of the things that led
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me out of the Catholic Church was this YouTube channel, this
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person by the name of Truth in Genesis.
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His name is Jeremy Wellsless, but he he, he actually was a
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book writer and his whole thing was young earth creationism.
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And he made a gospel presentation, and his gospel
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presentation resembled the new IF BS gospel presentation with
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the sinner's prayer and everything like that the Romans
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wrote and. I remember one of the things
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that sort of stuck with me was he used Romans 10/9 through 10
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where it says if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is
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Lord and believe in that thy heart, thou shalt be saved.
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What sort of resonated with me was he said God can read the
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heart and he knows if you truly believed on Jesus Christ or not.
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And one of the verses that actually got me to believe in
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Charles Security was John 316 where he's, you know, he used
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the argument that if you have everlasting life now, how could
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you lose it? Otherwise it would never be
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everlasting to begin with. But what really got me dogmatic
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on eternal security, one saved, always saved, was John 637
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through 40, which was about a month after I got saved when I
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read that passage. And it was just mind blowing.
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Like it blew me away. And basically like to summarize
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all what led me out of the Catholic Church was really just,
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I just believe they were wrong on salvation really.
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And it's nothing more than that. Honestly, I I think there's
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other doctrinal errors within the Catholic Church, but the the
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biggest piece to it is the fact that they don't believe in
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eternal security. So you actually do hold to the
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view. I I was under the impression
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that you, you did believe that people could lose their
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salvation. I apologize if I got that wrong.
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Thank you for correcting me. But I did think originally you
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had that view. Oh, you mean to this day.
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So I used to believe you could lose your salvation three years
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ago, but to this day I do believe you.
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I do not believe Christians can lose your salvation.
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Are you just, you seem very well read in the Bible and obviously
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you've done a lot of research. Do you remember the list inside
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of the Book of Revelation of the people who will be cast into the
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Lake of Fire? Revelation 21 verse 8 are you
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talking about? I believe that's the verse.
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My goodness, you're like a computer.
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I love it. You know, the liars, the
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cowardly, and the list goes on. All the exciting stuff for sure.
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Now, what if a Christian starts taking upon the attributes of
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people on that list? What happens then?
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So it's interesting that you asked that because that was
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actually used in the Gospel presentation that I got saved
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by. And at the time I was thinking
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to myself, wait a second, all liars will have their part in
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the lake of fire. And I'm like, what?
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And then the guy was like, you know, what does that mean?
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You know, that all of us have light.
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And I'm like, yeah. So like to me is like he starts
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out the gospel presentation with you can know if 100% certainly
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you're going to heaven, then uses that verse.
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I'm like, but wait a second, how could someone go to heaven if if
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lying is one of the things that can lead you to hell?
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And the fact of the matter is, is that's only if you haven't
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trusted in Jesus Christ alone. Jesus Christ took the punishment
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for all of our sins, past, present and future.
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So of course you shouldn't sin after you.
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You get saved. And if you do disobey God, you
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will be chastised by God. And to answer your question,
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think of it this way. All of us have total lie, right?
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So if that was the standard by which we are judged, then none
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of us would go to heaven. It's an interesting point, but
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you would agree there's different forms of lying, right?
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There's the lie where you when you're a kid and you excellently
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snatch a piece of candy off and you don't realize that there's
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currency involved in the process and you eat it.
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You get in a little bit of trouble by mommy and daddy.
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But if you lie like to your wife and say, oh, I love you with all
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my heart, but you're going out and cheating every single chance
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you get, isn't there a different?
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Do you feel like there's different forms of lying?
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Yeah, of course. But I guess would you say that
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certain lies are not sins then, if you don't mind me asking?
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Well, I I think that God is much more intelligent and wise than
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us, and you could very well be absolutely right and I could be
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wrong in the process. It's just that I I think that
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God being as wise and intelligently as he would
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realize the difference between an ignorant kid who's not
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willfully trying to do something he's not willfully trying to
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steal or be a a nan a poo poo or whatever over that of someone
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who consistently does it over and over and feels no conviction
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for it. You get what I'm saying?
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I understand. Fair enough.
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I won't, I won't pester you on that kind of stuff.
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I do have a lot of good questions for you.
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So do you feel like you had said about the Homestead?
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I find this really interesting. Do you feel like you get along
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with your people even though they know what your belief is
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now, or is there any kind of tenseness?
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If you want to pass, you can there's.
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Not really much tension to be honest.
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We don't really discuss it that much.
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So, you know, I have shared the gospel with my parents.
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Unfortunately, they, you know, as of now, they're not really
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receptive to it. But you know, I just continue to
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keep in my prayers. And I do pray that, you know,
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they'll, you know, hopefully God will, I guess, soften their
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hearts, I think is the correct word.
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Like, you know, they, I, I pray that they'll open their hearts
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to the gospel at some point in their lives, but I'm not going
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to, you know, obviously continue every day giving them the
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gospel, you know, if they don't want to hear it, if that makes
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sense. You had mentioned something very
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personal to you earlier. And I also know that there's
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been some irritation for you over this, But you mentioned
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that you'd had cancer, and it sounds as though there was
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resolution there. I hope so.
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But you've had some people who have mocked and #2 I'm wondering
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when you found out in the moment that you found out you were
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going to have to go through a major surgery, did how did the,
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how did you react to that? Well, my reaction honestly was
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the same reaction I had when I heard about the diagnosis of
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stage 3 cancer, that I had to get chemotherapy even after the
26:25
original surgery, which was, it has to be done.
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You know, like I may not be happy about it, but it does have
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to be done, you know, sort of resigned erratically accepting
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for lack of a better term. Goodness gracious.
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And why did these these specific people start mocking for what
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did they hope to benefit or gain by doing something so horrible?
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To me, that's below even it's a it's a certain type of 7th level
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of hell type of evil. And whenever I hear about that,
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why do you think they they decided to do that for out of
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all the things they could have do, just call us assholes.
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Why? Why do that?
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Why go that route? I'm not sure if you're familiar
27:10
with this prep, but this has been an ongoing thing since
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January. Actually.
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They have been doing this to me since January.
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And I, and about two months ago, or three months ago I think in
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April was, yeah, in April. So three months ago I made
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amends with them and they apologized to me and I apologize
27:27
to them for some of the mean things I've said to them.
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And by the way, The thing is, is they've been like, I never
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mocked anyone's cancer. They're trying to project what
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they've done onto me, what they're doing to me onto me, and
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they're accusing me of doing to them what they're doing to me.
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So I've said mean things about them like, you know, I like I've
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said personal things that are mean by never once scooped to
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the level they've done. And to answer your question as
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to why they're mocking my, they've actually have a history
27:57
of doing this to other people as well.
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They they've done this to other individuals who I'm not going to
28:01
name out of respect for them. But to answer your question as
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to why they're doing this, I think it's just a matter of
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immaturity. I mean, the fact that these
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people are in their 40s picking a fight with a 20 something year
28:14
old kid, like I'm 24 years old and like these people are in
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their 40s. Like they were probably when
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they were my age. I'm not even sure if I was even
28:20
born yet, I mean, to be honest. So it's just a matter of
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immaturity honestly, to say the least.
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But you know, it is very disgusting and wicked what
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they're doing. I would agree with you on that.
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I you obviously realize that I know who some of these clowns
28:37
are who've been doing that. And I and I accept your
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explanation because I've seen that they attack people for no
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reason whatsoever. You could just disagree with
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them biblically and the next thing they, you know, they wish
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death a pardon you. That's horrible.
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That's horrible. And I, I am very because they're
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not going to apologize and actually sincerely mean it.
28:58
But I'm sorry you had to go through that with these people.
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I appreciate it and I also appreciate the support from you
29:04
and others like Smokey St. and you know, Veckel and Ryan.
29:07
Like I appreciate the support from all you guys.
29:09
I know there's someone I never even met, someone named Dave, I
29:11
believe, who I appreciate the support.
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I really can't thank you all enough for that and it means a
29:18
lot to me. So, you know, I appreciate, you
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know, I just, I can't say how much I appreciate it.
29:24
I know that you're interested in trying to get your channel
29:27
pumped up. Back in the day when my when I
29:30
had a different YouTube channel, I did have a lot more views and
29:33
I would have definitely been able to benefit you more on my
29:36
radio. Hopefully it'll help you.
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I do get a lot of views on that, but the new YouTube channel, I
29:42
think I'm stuck in a bad algorithm.
29:44
I don't know if you feel the same way.
29:46
Somewhat, yeah. So I actually had my channel
29:48
about a month ago and for personal reasons I'm not going
29:51
to get into and that kind of messed up my algorithm after I
29:53
re enabled it. So yeah, I'm kind of in a
29:57
similar boat. Oof.
30:01
Yeah. All right, well, let's do some
30:03
more questions. How would you describe your
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personal relationship with Jesus Christ?
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You know, I would say that it's, you know, definitely something
30:17
that I could always work on on my end.
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I think Jesus has always pulled through for me, honestly.
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And you know, there's, I, I feel like there's nothing.
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It's never some, there's always more I can do.
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There's never something I can't do enough basically for Jesus.
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I feel like, you know, there's always something I can improve
30:39
upon. Jesus Christ, my relationship
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with Christ, I, you know, I would say that he's always
30:47
pulled through for me. So sometimes I have fallen short
30:51
and a lot of times I've fallen short and you know, whatever
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God's plan is for me, I just want to follow through with it.
30:59
Well, it sounds like you feel. Are you OK?
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Oh, your camera will run off for a moment.
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What do you? If it's not too personal, what
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do you feel you have to do better in order to please God?
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Well, you know, I would say to be honest, you know, you've
31:14
mentioned the topic of like keeping the commandments and
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things like that nature, You know, we all fall short of that
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sometimes, you know, I feel like God gives me a way to sort of
31:25
follow through with his commandments and sometimes I
31:28
sort of slip up. And you know, a, a good example
31:32
of this would be you mention the people that I sort of it got
31:34
tangled with earlier. You know, I've, I've said and
31:38
some mean things that I'm not not nearly the to the effect of
31:41
which they said to me. But you know, the Bible is very
31:44
clear. You know, we, you know, when
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someone persecutes you, obviously you should pray for
31:48
them. You shouldn't get angry with
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them. And you know, I have a cause to
31:51
be anger at them, of course. But The thing is, is obviously I
31:53
could have done better in showing love to my enemies, my
31:57
personal enemies, and that's one of the things I I feel like I
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sometimes fall short on. I think that's how we're able to
32:05
tell the difference between people who are saved and by
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people who are not, by the fact that you actually care and it
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makes you feel bad. And if there was a way you could
32:14
turn things around, I'm sure you probably would try.
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The fact that you said all that shows me that you've got fruit.
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Them listening to them laugh and and get off and hurting people,
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you can tell that's just that's demonic what they're doing.
32:29
All right, so the next thing, sorry about.
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I didn't want to break into a bunch of drama.
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OK, Yeah. No worries.
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What does being a Christian mean to you on a day-to-day basis?
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Well. You know, I would say being a
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child of God, being a son or daughter of God is what being a
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Christian is about. Obviously, you know, in order to
32:52
become a Christian, you said that you place your faith in
32:53
Jesus Christ and believe on him and believe his and his finished
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work at the cross and trust in him alone to get you to heaven.
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I think that's what being a Christian is.
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But on a day-to-day basis, you know, there's a difference.
33:06
See, I try and I've actually been, you know, I'm not going to
33:09
name names obviously, but people have sort of associated me of
33:12
other individuals and they've said Tucker's a follower of this
33:15
person, that person, this person.
33:16
It's like I've been trying to explain, I'm not a follower of
33:19
any man, I'm a follower of Jesus Christ.
33:21
But there is a difference between being a Christian and
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being a disciple of Christ. So being a Christian is simply
33:26
just believing in Jesus, being a believer.
33:29
Being a disciple, however, is something that takes more what
33:33
takes work. So, you know, is it accurate to
33:35
say that I'm a disciple of Christ?
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Well, I'm not entirely sure. I try to be, but part of being a
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disciple is picking up your cross daily and denying
33:42
yourself. And I'll be honest, that's
33:44
something I of course that I need to, to work on.
33:47
But, you know, being a Christian at the end of the day is really
33:50
just being a believer in Christ. Now you've you've went through a
33:56
couple different views and, and ideologies.
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Do you still feel like there are some positive philosophies of
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Catholicism or some of the other denominations you looked into
34:07
that you could absorb into your artillery basically and go
34:12
forward with it? Or do you think it's just all
34:14
garbage and that needs to go bye bye?
34:16
Well, one of the things I would say about the Catholic Church is
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that what they do good things, obviously they have charities,
34:23
they they build hospitals. So I think it's a wonderful
34:25
thing about the Catholic Church. But as far as their theology
34:28
goes, I think it's very dangerous because they're,
34:31
they're teaching people that they have to work for their
34:33
salvation as far as the ideologies are concerned.
34:37
So like, I don't know, like I used to believe in like
34:40
different doctrines. I never called myself a
34:43
dispensationalist, but one thing I did believe in was I believe
34:46
that the Old Testament salvation was by works, but the New
34:50
Testament, the tribulation was by faith alone.
34:52
That's the type of thing I would used to believe in.
34:54
I did sort of change my views a little bit on the tribulation
34:56
and the rapture, but as but as far as different denominations
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go, I currently attend a Baptist Church, an independent
35:06
fundamental Baptist Church. And The thing is, is like, I've
35:10
kind of stuck to that theology for the last two years, whereas
35:16
I, I have been King James only I've been adhering to salvation
35:20
by faith alone. And you know, a lot of people
35:24
say, well, Tucker used to be a free gracer.
35:27
Tucker used to be Catholic, Tucker used to be a
35:28
dispensationalist. It's like, well, you know, I
35:31
never for the last three years almost since November 6th, 2022
35:35
was when I got saved, I feel like I've been pretty consistent
35:39
with my views. Like I've, I never stopped
35:42
believing internal security from that point.
35:44
I always believed in salvation, like grace through faith.
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It's just the label. I think it's the labeling issue
35:50
that people take issue with, not necessarily my views constantly
35:52
changing. All right, let's see, how do you
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make time for prayer or meditation in your daily
36:05
routine? Do you do any kind of form of
36:07
relaxation or meditating? I'm not talking about where you
36:10
throw salts in the water and start going, oh the candles just
36:15
chilling out, you know, reflecting type of thing.
36:19
You know, one of the things that are meditation for me, honestly,
36:22
it's just like laying in my bed listening to myself breathing,
36:25
you know, that type of thing. One thing I love to do is when I
36:28
wake up early in the morning, maybe like I go back to sleep an
36:32
hour later and I just listen to my breathing.
36:34
You know, it's peaceful out the especially in the summertime,
36:36
like you hear the birds chirping outside, you have the bright
36:39
sunlight outside. Like that's the type of thing I
36:41
do for relaxation as far as prayer is concerned.
36:45
I, that's something I need to make more time for, to be
36:46
honest. I do usually pray at the end of
36:48
the, the day and give thanks to God for the blessings I have in
36:52
my life. And I also whenever someone
36:54
requests a prayer, like my pastor, he requested that like I
36:57
pray, he didn't request me personally, but I told him, you
36:59
know, hey, listen, I'll keep your wife in my prayers because
37:02
his wife was sort of going through something.
37:04
And so like, after that moment, after I left the church, you
37:06
know, I prayed for my pastor's wife and you know, I kept both
37:09
of them in my prayers. So anytime I give someone like a
37:12
promise, I'll pray for them. I always follow through with
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that, so like that's the time I make time for prayers, but
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usually I'd pray at the end of the day if I was just praying
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for myself. The next question's a bit of an
37:29
intense 1A theological one. How do you approach the concept
37:34
of eternal punishment or hell in your theology?
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Well, I do believe in eternal punishment like I do believe in
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eternal hell. I know some Christians believe
37:46
in annihilationism. I do not believe in
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annihilationism. I believe it is eternal.
37:50
The way I approach it is I try to put more of the emphasis on
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heaven because I, I believe in easy, like I'm an easy believism
37:57
person. I believe that all you have to
37:58
do is just believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
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And I think if we steer clear from telling people the dangers
38:03
of hell, but just sort of put the emphasis on heaven, you
38:07
know, that's really what could get people saved at the end of
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the day. And obviously we have to include
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some portions of hell, like I include Revelation 21 verse 8 in
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my gospel presentations in Revelation 2014 through 15.
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But the important thing to remember is if you have beliefs
38:22
on the Lord Jesus Christ, then you can't go to hell because
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once you are saved, you're always saved.
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That's how I sort of approach the topic of eternal hell.
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The next question is going to also be intense, having to do
38:36
with the concept of hell. I I read a lot of news.
38:40
You've probably noticed on my videos that I've dealt in
38:43
politics as well as theology. I read a story recently where a
38:47
young teenager, not the same one in the latest video, but a
38:51
teenager, ended up taking out her entire family, including
38:56
their little sister. Their little sister had not
38:59
become a Christian or accepted Christ.
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Do you believe that children are immune to the concept of health?
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Yes, I believe second Samuel chapter 12 verse 19 through 23
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is an indication that God does not punish or impute sin to
39:14
children. The reason why is because
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actually if in that passage it talks about King David's child
39:20
was taken from him obviously as a form of chastisement from God
39:23
and King David says you know, I well I thought that God would
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be, I'm paraphrasing when I say this, but he was hoping that God
39:29
would be gracious to him and that his child would not die.
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But he said at the end of verse 23 that he, his child will not
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return to him, but he will return to his child indicating 2
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things. First his child is in heaven
39:41
because his child won't return from heaven.
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And second, he will return to his child as in King David knew
39:47
he was saved and knew he was going to go to heaven eventually
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and be reunited with his child. So I believe the Bible
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indirectly sort of answers that question in a few different
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places, that children are under grace.
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And I do not believe that children's sins, they, they are
40:00
sinners. But The thing is, I don't think
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their sins are imputed to their account if they, you know, if
40:04
the tragedy unfortunately ensues and they do end up dying an
40:08
early death. This might be an unusual
40:12
question for you, but do you feel as though there is a a big
40:16
difference between the way someone went about getting saved
40:20
by God over that from the Old Testament versus the New
40:23
Testament? And it's funny that you ask that
40:26
because like I said earlier, I used to believe salvation was by
40:29
works in the Old Testament. But no, I do not believe it is.
40:33
I actually don't believe that anymore.
40:35
I haven't believed that in the last two years.
40:37
I believe that it's always been by Gracel and through faith
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alone. And in the Old Testament, it was
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more so believing in the promise of the of, of God.
40:45
So the Israelites didn't really have revelation of Jesus Christ.
40:50
They didn't have revelation necessarily of the Trinity.
40:52
They knew about the Holy Spirit, but they didn't know about the
40:54
Son of God, Jesus Christ. And The thing is, is, and I
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believe it's in First Corinthians chapter 13, verse
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12, you know, Paul talks about how we see through a glass
41:05
darkly, meaning we don't know what's to come in the future,
41:07
but we know something's going to come for us as believers.
41:09
We know at the resurrection, something's going to happen to
41:11
our bodies, but we don't necessarily know what will
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happen. And just as we see through a
41:16
glass darkly today about the, the end times of tribulation,
41:19
the millennial Kingdom, the the resurrection, the Israelites
41:23
sort of saw through a glass darkly as when it comes to like
41:25
what exactly their Messiah would be.
41:28
A lot of them thought that it would be a political, like he
41:30
would be a political figure that would release them from their
41:33
political enemies like the Romans, the the Philistines, the
41:37
Babylonians, people like that. But in reality, it was Jesus
41:40
Christ. He, he was the son of God who
41:42
came, died for their sins and rose again from the dead to get
41:45
them everlasting life. So I think like, just as the
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Israelites saw through the glass darkly and we also see through
41:52
the glass darkly, they were still saved by faith alone.
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As long as they had their faith and trust in God, that's all
41:57
that they had to do in order to be saved.
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So yeah, no, I don't believe there was any difference from
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the Old Testament to the New to the Tribulation.
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Who do you think does more damage to the reputation at
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least of the churches and religion?
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Is it atheist or is it religious people themselves?
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Who does the most amount of damage you think?
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I would definitely say it's religious people themselves.
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Well, feel free to elaborate. Like you've mentioned, even
42:28
Christians who do have the right gospel when they behave in a
42:31
certain way that's not Christian like and that they're behaving
42:35
in a way that's and I'm sure this is going to get clipped out
42:37
by someone. They're going to say Tucker
42:38
believes in works of no, that's not what I'm saying.
42:40
What I'm saying is, yes, you are saved by grace alone through
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faithful and but if you're not behaving in a nice way towards
42:46
other people, that could turn them away from Christianity.
42:49
So you know what? I don't understand why some
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people struggle with that concept.
42:54
Yeah, you should, you know, you should treat people
42:57
respectfully. And if you're not doing so
43:00
respectfully and you're representing Christianity,
43:03
people are going to be turned off by Christianity just as they
43:05
would be turned off like, let's just say for the sake of
43:06
politics, right? Like, I'm a conservative.
43:09
Like, I'm not a Republican, I'm a conservative.
43:11
I'm an independent, but I'm a conservative.
43:13
But let's just say I'm representing conservatives and
43:14
I'm being nasty to people and I'm doing in the name of
43:17
conservatism. Well, that's going to turn
43:18
people away from conservatism. Just as people who proclaim
43:21
Christian Christianity and start being nasty and mean and they're
43:25
bullying other people in the name of Christ.
43:27
That's going to turn people away from Christianity.
43:28
That's why I think people like the religious people are more
43:31
detrimental sometimes the church than atheists are.
43:37
All right. This next question is going to
43:39
kind of hit at the grace concept in in the few different areas of
43:44
theology. If you know just as well as I,
43:48
you've watched a lot of Youtubers where you feel
43:51
absolutely convicted in the idea that they are either lying or
43:57
they are ignorant and preaching a false gospel.
44:00
You know just as well as I that there's teenagers and kids that
44:04
can run across this stuff and it may cause them to stumble where
44:08
they never come to the faith or it just totally hurts some.
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I will stick with the word stumble now.
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Jesus Christ, what does he say will happen to the little ones
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who stumbled due to someone's actions?
44:25
What will happen to the little ones that stumbled due to a
44:28
person's actions? So as in, they wouldn't be.
44:32
They wouldn't believe in the faith.
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No, no, no. Not the person who stumbled, but
44:37
the person who caused them to stumble due to both doctrine and
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gospel. What happens to that person?
44:44
Jesus says it would be better for them to be drowning in the
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ocean of a millstone around their neck.
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What doesn't exactly sound like they're even if they claim to be
44:53
saved, they're going to be in a good way.
44:56
Well, you see what I would say to that is there is obviously I
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believe Jesus was talking about people who weren't saved, but
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even people who are true Christians that are teaching the
45:09
correct, that are teaching the correct, that believe in the
45:11
correct gospel, but are teaching false doctrines that 'cause
45:14
people to stumble, they will be judged at a greater level
45:17
because of the fact that they anointed themselves as teachers.
45:20
So that could be in the form of chastise, it could be in the
45:24
form of chastisement in the sense that maybe their life
45:26
could be taken from them in the physical sense and they could
45:28
get no rewards of the judgment day of Christ.
45:32
And there's other passages in the Bible.
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I think it's in, I want to say it's in Hebrews.
45:36
There's one verse that says that there are certain Christians who
45:39
are worse than unbelievers. That doesn't necessarily mean
45:41
that they are unsaved, but that could mean that they're just
45:44
worse people than even unbelievers are.
45:50
So it's interesting the way you you said that there's different
45:53
levels of judgement and even though the person saved, they're
45:57
going to get judged harshly. Now what is that?
46:00
What exactly does that mean for you and your theology?
46:05
Well, it doesn't necessarily mean they get charged harshly.
46:07
They're just going to be judged at a difference in at a greater
46:09
level. So like a a good pastor, like a
46:13
teacher who's taught good things and has good works, like they've
46:16
gotten many people saved and they do teach sound doctrine
46:19
will get judged at a greater level.
46:20
But they weren't not necessarily mean judge harsher.
46:22
They're just going to be judged at a greater level, which can
46:24
mean an even greater abundance of rewards of the judgements of
46:26
Christ like crowns authorities. But if you're someone who is
46:31
like a true teacher, like I think of someone like, like, I
46:35
don't know if you're familiar with Steven Anderson from Fate
46:37
Ford Baptist Church, are you familiar?
46:39
With him, the guy that threatened to take people out?
46:42
Yeah, he's kicked people out of his church.
46:44
But yeah, you're thinking of the.
46:45
Right way. No, I mean he also isn't this
46:48
the same guy? He's threatened to put a hole in
46:50
people. No, I don't believe so.
46:53
Not that guy. No, I don't believe he's ever
46:56
threatened anyone, but he's controversial.
47:00
But The thing is, is like one of the controversies he has is the
47:02
reprobate doctrine where he says, you know, that certain
47:05
people can't be saved because of certain sins.
47:07
And that's the thing too. He also is controversial because
47:09
of his sinner's prayer doctrine. And he's held steadfast that
47:13
doctrine. And I believe Stephen Anderson
47:16
is saved, but he is going to face a greater judgement, the
47:20
judgement seat of Christ, because he is teaching false
47:23
doctrine that is going to cause people to stumble.
47:24
And ultimately that's God's decision.
47:27
What will happen with Stephen Anderson, whether or not he'll
47:29
get rewards or not? But that is an example of
47:32
someone who might not get rewards of the judgement seat of
47:34
Christ because of his insistent preaching of a false, of a false
47:40
doctrine. It's actually could be
47:41
detrimental to a person's salvific status.
47:45
I don't know if that made sense, but basically what I'm trying to
47:48
say is you're not necessarily like you could be saved and and
47:51
be judged at a different standard than everyone else if
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you do annoy yourself as a teacher, but still you could
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either. It could be good or bad,
47:59
depending on whether or not you've done good or bad, and
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depending on whether or not you've stumbled people or not,
48:03
and depending on whether or not your works have actually
48:05
materialized and getting people saved.
48:09
I, I will be intellectually honest with you whenever it
48:13
comes to the concept of people giving crowns and diamonds or
48:17
jewels or I've heard all kinds of weird kind of concepts of
48:21
what people get, especially the ones who did really well.
48:25
I, I don't know, I don't understand that concept of it.
48:29
The only thing that pushes me for it is the only kind of
48:33
reward I want is 1. To be in the presence of God and
48:37
be able to feel the awe and and manifestation before me.
48:42
And I also want to be with my loved ones, you know, as far as
48:46
crowns and jewelry, I've never been a jewelry type of guy
48:49
myself. So what exactly do you get what
48:52
I'm saying? I'm not trying to do.
48:54
The crown actually is meant to give his service and authority.
48:57
So if you have a crown in heaven, it could be a certain
49:00
authority that you're given to serve God.
49:02
So the crown itself is not actually material good.
49:05
It's actually meant to be a status symbol to show that you
49:09
are reigning, not necessarily reigning that.
49:11
That's not the right word. But we're all going to reign
49:13
with Christ. Every Christian's going to reign
49:16
with Christ. It's pretty clear actually that,
49:17
you know, I forget the actual passage.
49:19
I think it's in First Corinthians chapter 6 where it
49:22
says that the Saints will judge the world, but as far as
49:26
authorities are concerned, we will be given different
49:28
authorities in heaven and in the millennial Kingdom.
49:31
So the crown itself, it's not, it's not a matter of I get this
49:36
nice shiny crown. It's actually a matter of this
49:38
symbolizes that I have a job to do for the Lord.
49:42
So the reward itself is actually being able to serve God.
49:47
We just don't know exactly what it will entail yet.
49:49
But that's the reward. You will want to serve God when
49:52
the time comes. And yeah, I believe that's the
49:56
rewards that we're trying to to sort of get.
50:00
Do you believe that human beings who go to heaven will suddenly
50:05
be impacted with like, some kind of inherent spiritual knowledge?
50:10
Like they just suddenly know things?
50:12
It's like things they never knew before.
50:15
It's a snap. They know things.
50:18
It's interesting because I've kind of, I've been intrigued by
50:22
that question actually. Like one of the questions I've
50:24
been trying to figure out is, for example, will human beings
50:28
know each other in heaven? So for example, I like, let's
50:31
just say like I go, I die today and I go to the presence of the
50:35
Lord and I'm in heaven. And or, or when I do, either
50:41
when the resurrection happens, if it happens in my lifetime or
50:43
when I do go to heaven, depending on which comes first,
50:46
the resurrection or my death. Would someone like the Apostle
50:50
Paul, for example, or the Apostle Peter, would they
50:52
actually know me? Tucker, the same way that people
50:56
in my personal life know me and when I know them on a on a much
50:59
deeper level, that's what I've kind of been trying to figure
51:01
out. Like that type of thing, like
51:03
where you mentioned you have like inherent knowledge that you
51:05
didn't already have before. I would say yes, to some degree.
51:09
I think we'll understand things in a different perspective than
51:12
we do now. I think we'll have much more
51:15
greater understanding. We'll have the same perspective
51:17
that God has to some degree on certain things, but I'm not sure
51:20
if we'll have the same inherent knowledge of different of
51:25
different people and things like that.
51:28
Something I've been, you know, sort of been interested in
51:31
though for a while. Well if you come up with the
51:35
answer on that I'd love to hear about it myself.
51:37
There are still some things that I still need to research and
51:41
understand, but I honestly there are some things in the Bible
51:46
that sound really great, but unfortunately the further you
51:49
look into it some of it starts getting vague.
51:51
Not really sure where to go from that point on.
51:54
That's why I try to hang out with really red Christians and
51:58
educated people so I can get a better understanding and be able
52:01
to serve God properly, if that makes sense.
52:04
Yeah. Let's see what we got.
52:07
How do you respond to someone who claims they've lost their
52:10
faith due to personal tragedy? I've actually had someone come
52:15
to me and explain that to me. I'm not going to get into
52:17
obviously the specifics because that's a, you know, it's a
52:19
personal matter and I won't name the person.
52:21
You have respect for their privacy.
52:23
But the way I would respond is, you know, you know, you're still
52:28
a child of God, you know, and I of course, will pray for that
52:31
person. And I hope obviously everything
52:34
turns out well for them. But they are still a child of
52:37
God and they will be in heaven one day, you know.
52:41
So I, I would encourage them not to lose faith, even if they've
52:44
already lost faith. I'll still keep them in my
52:47
prayers, essentially. All right, here's a question
52:51
about your YouTube channel. If you could snap your finger
52:55
like Thanos right now from The Avengers and have your YouTube
53:00
channel exactly the way you want it, how do you see yourself and
53:05
how do you see the the product of the channel going?
53:08
What does that look like? What I would say to that is, you
53:12
know, I haven't more organized for one.
53:14
I feel like it's a little bit disorganized right now.
53:18
I would model it sort of after Redeem Zoomer's channel, but in
53:21
the format of my own theological viewpoints, in the sense that he
53:25
has a very organized, structured YouTube channel.
53:28
He talks about his theology. I kind of want to talk about my
53:31
theology the same way. But yeah, obviously in my like,
53:35
I'm an independent fundamental Baptist.
53:37
He's a, he's a mainline Protestant.
53:39
I kind of want to sort of model it off out of his structure, but
53:43
in my own format. That's what I would do if I was
53:46
able to sort of have my YouTube channel in my own way.
53:51
What are if you could only talk about 3 topics that you enjoy?
53:56
If you were limited to only three, what would they be?
54:00
The Gospel, Understanding Biblical truths and the third
54:09
one, I guess the third one would probably be, that's a difficult
54:21
one. Actually, I think the third one
54:24
would be possibly response videos.
54:28
I, I think one thing I would eliminate honestly, is the
54:31
exposing videos. I feel like, you know, even
54:33
though I do do expose videos on individuals, I feel like, you
54:38
know, I've kind of been going back and forth on this a little
54:41
bit. It's not really who I am in my
54:43
personal life, honestly. It's just not who I am.
54:46
So even though I enjoy doing them at from time to time, I
54:49
feel like it's kind of just it's not really reflective of who I
54:53
am at my core. But don't you think that it's
55:00
justified and good reason? Bible does say expose evil.
55:04
Absolutely. But you know, I think one of the
55:07
things I'm better at necessarily is more so sharing the good news
55:10
of our Lord Jesus Christ. I think, you know, I've gotten
55:13
people in my personal life saved actually, and people who I
55:16
actually didn't even realize would be receptive to the
55:18
gospel, I've gotten them saved through sharing the gospel with
55:21
them. And like, I feel like there's
55:25
the there's sort of like people, there's different purposes for
55:28
each Christian. You know, someone, you know,
55:32
like Jack Smack 77 like he's really good at exposing people
55:37
and exposing them for being false teachers and unsaved
55:41
people. But like at the same time, you
55:44
know, and he's good at sharing the gospel too.
55:46
He's great at sharing the gospel.
55:47
Like someone like me, for example, I feel like is great
55:51
primarily at maybe exaggerating verses and sharing the gospel.
55:57
And someone like Warren Uno, Rato Diamante, I'm not sure if
56:00
you're familiar with him, he's a free grace YouTube.
56:02
His primary thing is just sharing the gospel.
56:04
So we all have different purposes as Christians, I think
56:07
is what I'm trying to say. And I guess like, well, I could
56:09
be OK at exposing people. It's just I feel like it's just
56:14
not who I really am. I feel like I'm sort of just, I
56:19
just feel like it's sort of an addition to me, but it's not
56:21
necessarily who I am at the core.
56:28
It feels like it's sounds like it feels for you, that it's
56:32
bothering you, that it's not going in the direction that you
56:37
were wanting. You were wanting to help people
56:39
change, weren't you? It just seems like they get
56:41
worse. Well, one of the things I was
56:44
hoping is to just sort of like we've talked about how, you
56:49
know, being mean to people as A and doing in the name of
56:52
Christianity is not necessarily how to win people over.
56:56
And my whole thing is like, I want to make a good example for
57:00
Christianity. And I want to particularly make
57:03
a good example for the OSAS doctrine because I feel like
57:08
that's been it's been tarred and feathered by a lot of people.
57:11
If you, you know, like a lot of like the once saved, always
57:14
saved doctrine has been associated with people like
57:16
Steven Anderson and you know, I guess like other people as well,
57:23
like Jonathan Shelley, like these types of guys are great
57:26
like at, at presenting the gospel, but they've kind of
57:30
tainted it in a way that, you know, like they're associated
57:34
with all their other controversies, I guess, if that
57:37
makes sense. So I want to sort of bring a
57:39
positive light to the doctrine of eternal security.
57:43
I'd like to offer you a suggestion on something I don't
57:47
know if you can see private chat.
57:49
Yep, I see it. You want me to click on it?
57:51
Yeah, there's a reason why. I'll explain once you see it
57:55
all. Right.
57:59
All right, do you see what it is?
58:02
Hey, so it's AUSB condenser microphone and it's great for
58:07
streaming and all that and it'll bring the strength of your voice
58:11
out. Right now you seem like you're
58:13
using like a gaming headphone set with microphones.
58:16
It adds kind of a high pitched tendency and you know that a
58:20
higher frequency hits people can, it could turn people away,
58:26
but if you wanted your voice sound like it was on the radio
58:29
where you got bass, that's the microphone you want to go for
58:33
and see. It's real cheap.
58:34
It's like 25 bucks. Yeah, I appreciate it.
58:36
I'll definitely pick it up. There you go.
58:39
That'll help you because it sounds like you're wanting to do
58:42
videos where you preach the gospel and you're going to want
58:45
your message and voice to come over as strong and powerful as
58:48
it can be as opposed to it being, you know, cut in layers
58:53
like this. Also, you should try OBS.
58:55
It's a beautiful program. All right, you ready for some
58:59
more questions? Just throwing out some
59:00
suggestions. Absolutely.
59:03
All right, as far as organizing your YouTube channel, I, I tried
59:08
to also work with people off the cuff or, and some of the things
59:12
they bring up in interviews. What do you think that you need
59:16
to do in order to set it up? Do you think you should create
59:19
more playlists and have them more articulated on what each
59:23
the topic is or sections? Is that what you want me to go
59:26
for? Yeah, 100%.
59:28
You know, I wanted to go for more playlists, but I also
59:31
wanted to sort of have a more set schedule.
59:35
Like one of the things I did about a week or two ago was I
59:38
tried to set a schedule, an itinerary of what my next couple
59:42
of videos would be. And while I did follow it
59:43
loosely, I kind of went off it a little bit and went off track.
59:47
There's been people requesting different videos.
59:49
I wanted to sort of fulfill those requests.
59:50
And yeah, I mean, I I would just love to sort of have a more set
59:55
direct way that I can direct my channel.
59:59
Another thing too that I have to focus on is the keywords on my
1:00:03
channel. It's kind of weird.
1:00:05
There's a glitch on YouTube where like it sort of double S
1:00:09
your keywords and I fixed it since then.
1:00:12
But you know, I need to sort of reoptimize my channel.
1:00:16
I guess I was concerned rebranding myself as well about
1:00:20
a month ago when I came back to YouTube.
1:00:21
But I mean, you know. When making titles for videos,
1:00:40
make it clear about what it's being discussed, but try to make
1:00:43
it a little controversial. I'm not talking about clickbait.
1:00:47
I'm talking about where it it gets people, where it goes.
1:00:50
Oh wow, what's what's this? I got to see this.
1:00:54
And the thumbnails, of course, got to be somewhat pretty as
1:00:56
well. That's what I would suggest.
1:00:58
I was wanting to ask you about something on a on a different
1:01:02
level because it seems like you're very serious about this.
1:01:05
I've offered this ability to TTOR and he took me up on it.
1:01:09
I've also offered Smokey the ability.
1:01:12
I've been looking for sophisticated, intelligent
1:01:15
Christians that can team up with me on this radio station I got
1:01:20
that has caused a lot of views. It's simple, like uploading
1:01:23
videos, like what you do normally, but it would go to
1:01:27
hundreds of different outlets. Would you be interested in
1:01:30
trying it out, seeing what you think?
1:01:32
It's just a matter of me giving you a link and verifying and
1:01:36
then you upload. Would you like to try that?
1:01:38
It may bring you some more views towards the YouTube channel.
1:01:41
I'd be interested in that. You can always reach out to me
1:01:44
via e-mail. I think we got you have my
1:01:47
e-mail so you can reach out to me that way.
1:01:52
I have been a little bit busier in my personal life with
1:01:54
everything going on, so I can't promise that I'm be 100%
1:01:58
committed, but I'll definitely look into that.
1:02:01
You don't, you don't have to. There's no force timing or
1:02:04
anything like that. Let's say that you feel that
1:02:07
you've done a really good video that day, something about
1:02:10
salvation or you know, the, the peace of enlightenment of Christ
1:02:14
or something, and you feel like it's a phenomenal piece of work.
1:02:18
You can sit there and do that and then wait three weeks or a
1:02:21
month before you decide to do something again.
1:02:24
It's no, it's no jeopardy. You're not timed, you're pushed.
1:02:28
Yeah, no, I appreciate the offer, definitely.
1:02:30
Yeah, shoot me an e-mail, something like that.
1:02:35
No problem. No problem.
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Yeah. You sound like you're I I loved
1:02:40
it right off the bat. Whenever I ask you about certain
1:02:43
things, you were like, you knew the verse was right then and
1:02:46
there. That was awesome.
1:02:48
That was really cool. A lot of folks are like, where's
1:02:50
that at? You know, that's good.
1:02:54
So how long have you been you've been doing it like that?
1:02:57
I mean, how long is it just really grabbed on to you where
1:03:02
you just lanced on to the Bible like this?
1:03:06
About two years almost on the DA, maybe a little bit longer,
1:03:09
but I remember I would be, I remember a lot of people would
1:03:13
tell me that like you, you're really good at, you know,
1:03:16
finding the verse, the exact verse.
1:03:18
I, I remember about two years ago, I did try to memorize
1:03:20
Scripture. Some of the verses I memorized
1:03:22
had to do with salvation, like John 337, John 637, rather John
1:03:28
337 doesn't exist, but no John 336, John 316, John 637, you
1:03:36
know, verses like the first John 513 or that type of thing.
1:03:38
I try to memorize verses like that and memorize Scripture.
1:03:42
So about two years now. Here's an unusual question for
1:03:48
you that I did not ask Smokey in his interview or a couple
1:03:52
others. Do you believe that creation
1:03:54
only happened on Earth? Do you believe that God may have
1:03:57
created life forms elsewhere in the universe?
1:04:00
Is it possible? I do not believe that God
1:04:03
created life forms on other planets.
1:04:06
I only believe it happened on Earth.
1:04:09
OK, is there a reason why you're set to that view, or would you
1:04:14
rather pass to something else? The reason why I'm set on that
1:04:18
view is because I haven't seen any biblical evidence to support
1:04:21
the idea of extraterrestrial life in human, well,
1:04:24
specifically in human format. Like, do we?
1:04:26
When you think of aliens, like you think of like a human
1:04:30
extraterrestrial being. And when you think of like,
1:04:33
bacteria or something like that, Yeah, possibly on maybe like
1:04:37
other planets, but, you know, who knows?
1:04:39
I mean, I don't, I personally don't think it's that important
1:04:44
if, you know, there's bacteria or amoebas on other planets.
1:04:47
But you know, that's just my personal opinion.
1:04:50
I I don't think there's enough biblical evidence to support
1:04:54
extraterrestrial life on other planets.
1:04:58
Have you ever asked the question to yourself?
1:05:00
How would of ancient people had known that there was an entity
1:05:04
that existed outside of the world that was involved in
1:05:08
creating? Wouldn't that imply that the
1:05:11
entity was in a form of space or void whenever he was creating
1:05:14
Earth? Have you ever thought of it on
1:05:16
that level? Well, it does say that in Romans
1:05:19
chapter one that the invisible things that were that are
1:05:22
visible to us or the visible things that are invisible to us,
1:05:26
basically we know the knowledge of God based on creation.
1:05:29
The creation itself is proof of God's existence.
1:05:32
In Romans 120 it says that all or without excuse when it comes
1:05:36
to judgement because of the fact that based based on all the
1:05:40
creation around us, we should know that, you know, there's a
1:05:44
God that had to have created everything.
1:05:46
So as far as ancient people go, a lot of them may have not known
1:05:50
about God's existence, but that's only because of their
1:05:52
willful ignorance. It says in Psalm chapter 14 that
1:05:55
the fool said in his heart that there is no God.
1:05:58
So really the ancient people should have known that there is
1:06:03
a God based on the fact that there is thing based on
1:06:07
everything around us. There had to have been a creator
1:06:09
in order for things to exist. So like this table that I'm
1:06:12
sitting at had to have a creator make it.
1:06:14
A person had to make it. The common rebuke, the brutal to
1:06:19
that I've heard is, well, that's just a man made object, you
1:06:22
know, but the fact of the matter is, is everything that we that
1:06:26
we create is just reminiscent of what God created God.
1:06:30
Like how could things come from nothing?
1:06:32
We we've already disproven scientists have already
1:06:35
disproven spontaneous generation.
1:06:37
So, you know, I think the fact that everything exists and its
1:06:41
existence itself is what proves God's existence.
1:06:44
So I don't know if that answered the question.
1:06:47
Well that's you. You obviously interpreted it as
1:06:52
kind of a question that like a non believer would ask I I was
1:06:56
actually putting forth this concept that the way the Bible
1:06:59
describes it, it clearly implies that the ancient people had a
1:07:03
realization that God is an entity actually existed outside
1:07:08
of our world when creating and forming it.
1:07:12
That's something that took 1000 years for science to figure out.
1:07:16
That there was a space and there was a universe is where the
1:07:19
Bible seems to indicate it already knew that from the get
1:07:22
go. Isn't that neat?
1:07:24
That is neat indeed. Yeah, I guess like I guess it's
1:07:30
just all comes back to technology for related purposes.
1:07:33
We didn't necessarily have the technology to see outer space
1:07:37
for a while. That's that's what I would say.
1:07:41
Right. That's the exact point.
1:07:43
We didn't have the technology for a long time.
1:07:46
So the only way we could logically assess how they would
1:07:49
have known this is somebody spoke to them, you know, right.
1:07:57
So, OK, the the next question I have for you is you probably
1:08:01
heard some people discuss this, but would you define God or his
1:08:06
angels or any of the the strange creatures that are talked about
1:08:11
in Revelation that are presently with them?
1:08:14
Would you define that in any way as alien because they're not
1:08:19
original inhabitants of Earth? I have not actually heard that
1:08:23
It's interesting. I would not say so because of
1:08:26
the fact that these are like these are animals from heaven.
1:08:29
So when you talk about the animals, like the White Horse
1:08:32
for example, is that what you're referring to?
1:08:36
Well, some people would say that some of the creatures we read
1:08:39
about in Revelation might be symbolic for a country or some
1:08:43
symbolism. But if there's any literalism at
1:08:46
all with it, do you believe that there are creatures or unusual
1:08:51
things that are in heaven with God?
1:08:53
Or is it just primarily God and angels in your view?
1:08:58
I do believe there are animals in heaven because in the book of
1:09:03
Isaiah, I believe it talks about a wolf and, you know, the
1:09:07
predators and the prey animals, the lion rather not a wolf, it's
1:09:11
a lion. And I forgot the other prey
1:09:15
animal. But I've, you know, I've seen
1:09:18
evidence in the Old Testament to support the idea that there are
1:09:21
animals in heaven. I do not believe animals go to
1:09:24
heaven after they die. I do believe that there are
1:09:28
already animals in heaven though that are that are the same ones
1:09:31
that are created on earth. But I I believe some of it is
1:09:38
symbolism. Like I think it's in Revelation
1:09:41
chapter 18 when it's talking about the whore of Babylon.
1:09:46
I think that's partially symbolism.
1:09:48
I don't believe it's a literal thing, but as far as as far as
1:09:54
animals are concerned, yeah, I do believe there are animals in
1:09:56
heaven. I don't think they're alien
1:09:57
though, because if there's a dog in heaven, as far as angels, I
1:10:00
wouldn't consider them alien. They're not really
1:10:01
extraterrestrial beings. They're just, they're just
1:10:04
spiritual beings. OK, but they you, you don't
1:10:10
define them in any kind of way as as like an alien.
1:10:14
You just see it as these are supernatural entities.
1:10:17
Yeah, I would say so. If someone claims, and we've had
1:10:22
millions of people throughout time claim that they've seen
1:10:25
unusual objects, I would suspect that an Angel obviously wouldn't
1:10:30
need a flying vehicle in space, right?
1:10:34
So the question would be, what do you think they're seeing?
1:10:37
Is it some kind of demonic manifestation?
1:10:40
Or do you think that there's a massive amount of people who are
1:10:43
hallucinating? There is, I would say it is a
1:10:46
demonic manifestation. So one of the things I think
1:10:49
back to is these near death experiences.
1:10:51
A lot of people like when they go to these, they supposedly go
1:10:55
to heaven. They have this heaven experience
1:10:56
where they go to hell even supposedly and then escape hell
1:10:59
like Bill Wiese did. I think that is a demonic
1:11:02
experience that they're having. I don't believe.
1:11:03
And then there's people who say they've met Jesus.
1:11:06
I do not believe that that you can actually meet Jesus.
1:11:09
It says in John, I believe it's 118 that no man has seen God at
1:11:12
any time. So obviously, you know, it
1:11:16
doesn't even describe the, the what Jesus looks like in any of
1:11:19
the gospels, in any of the entire Bible doesn't really
1:11:21
describe what he looks like. So I, you know, when people say
1:11:25
they've met Jesus, I, I genuinely believe that that's
1:11:27
probably a demonic experience that they have.
1:11:34
Here's an interesting question for you.
1:11:36
I don't know if you've ever heard this before, but why do
1:11:39
you think Jesus chose the date and time that he did to enter
1:11:44
the earth and exist with humanity for a while?
1:11:47
Why that time period? Why not later or earlier
1:11:50
according to you? My thoughts on this is I believe
1:11:54
that it's right. It's right smack dab in the
1:11:57
middle of the of human history. I don't believe that humanity
1:12:03
like human history or even the history of the world will go on
1:12:06
for much longer. We're in 6300 ADI believe is the
1:12:09
right year, not six year on AAD rabbit 6300 years on earth.
1:12:13
So right now we're in 2025 AD right, but it's been 6300 years
1:12:19
we've been on earth. So I believe there's not much
1:12:22
more time left. I think like what, you know,
1:12:24
it's been like about, I want to say maybe 3-4 thousand years in
1:12:28
the Old Testament and about 2000 years in the New Testament.
1:12:31
So I think it's more of a matter of timing is the sense that it's
1:12:35
just smack dab in the middle of human history.
1:12:40
That's my that's at least what my opinion is.
1:12:44
All right, you have probably heard this concept before.
1:12:48
What does it mean to have faith like a child and how can adults
1:12:53
cultivate this? Yeah, childlike faith is simply
1:12:56
just trusting everything Jesus Christ says when he says he that
1:12:59
believeth on me half everlasting life.
1:13:02
We may not fully understand, but a child, you know, a child will
1:13:05
think that's it. All I have to do is just believe
1:13:07
on Jesus Christ, trust in him alone and I'll have everlasting
1:13:10
life and I can ever lose it. You know, children have this
1:13:12
imagine this like this huge imagination and they can believe
1:13:16
anything for an adult. A lot of adults have trouble
1:13:19
believing that simple concept because it's too simple.
1:13:23
I mean, I've even hear people like I'm sure you're familiar
1:13:25
with Michael Knowles, like he's and this, he's not the only one
1:13:27
that said this, but he's a Catholic and a lot of Catholics
1:13:30
will tell you, well, listen, I don't believe in faith alone and
1:13:34
eternal security because that just seems too simple.
1:13:37
Why would God make salvation too simple if this God that we know
1:13:40
is so complex and his nature and his being, well, the fact of the
1:13:44
matter is that salvation is simple because God did all the
1:13:47
hard work for us. And, you know, being having a
1:13:50
childlike faith is somebody just trusting in Christ, just
1:13:52
trusting every word of Christ when he tells you that all you
1:13:55
have to do is believe on him. So how can adults cultivate
1:13:59
that? You know, I got saved as as an
1:14:00
adult technical, like I was an adult.
1:14:02
I was 21 years old when I got saved.
1:14:04
So, you know, how can an adult cultivate that?
1:14:06
Simply just humble themselves and understand that, you know,
1:14:10
yeah, we are sinners. We won't.
1:14:12
We technically, yeah, we do deserve to go to hell, and the
1:14:16
fact matter is Jesus Christ took the punishment first and so we
1:14:19
wouldn't have to go to hell. As long as you have humility,
1:14:21
that's what you can get as an adult.
1:14:22
Childlike faith. What What advice would you give
1:14:28
people that find themselves where they get themselves into a
1:14:31
relationship or married? Both people are strong,
1:14:34
committed Christians, but something happens years down the
1:14:38
road. Somebody has a tragedy or an
1:14:40
issue and their direction changes away from Christianity.
1:14:45
What should a person in that type of relationship do?
1:14:49
How? How should they they respond to
1:14:52
that? So if I'm understanding the
1:14:56
question correctly, are you asking me what if a person in a
1:14:58
relationship has their other their like husband or wife leave
1:15:03
Christianity? Is that what you're asking me?
1:15:05
Yeah, they go towards a totally different direction.
1:15:08
I actually knew. I've known quite a few different
1:15:11
people where they've had that issue.
1:15:13
Thankfully, a majority of them ended up coming back to their
1:15:16
faith. But specifically was a nice lady
1:15:20
I used to talk to named Sister Sunshine.
1:15:22
She was a strong, hardcore Christian.
1:15:24
But something happened. She ended up becoming a Buddhist
1:15:27
for a little while, and then about a year later she just got
1:15:31
tired of it and said, you know what, this isn't for me.
1:15:33
And she went back to Christianity, but it she did
1:15:37
point out that it was difficult for What advice would you give a
1:15:40
person like that who loses it momentarily takes a walk?
1:15:44
I should. Definitely be patient with that
1:15:48
person. And for the person themselves,
1:15:50
you know, just, I guess like the best advice I give to the person
1:15:55
themselves is take a step back and really evaluate what is it
1:16:00
they're actually looking for. Are you really looking for an
1:16:02
alternative to Christianity, or are you actually just looking
1:16:05
for a deeper question that could already be answered by
1:16:07
Christianity? It's a good, good response, I
1:16:13
would say. All right.
1:16:15
The next one is how should Christians approach political
1:16:18
engagement without compromising their faith?
1:16:23
Well, it's interesting actually, because, you know, as a
1:16:27
Christian myself, you know, I personally don't see a lot of
1:16:31
politicians around the world or in the United States for that
1:16:34
matter, who I believe are Christians.
1:16:37
You know, So the way I would approach politics myself is
1:16:43
really, it's sort of almost a separate entity, honestly, from
1:16:47
religion. So you can't, I guess, like The
1:16:51
thing is, I believe in separation of church and state,
1:16:53
you know, as a Baptist, as one of the Baptist distinctives.
1:16:56
So, you know, I don't believe that we should necessarily be
1:16:59
controlling the state. And I don't believe that the
1:17:02
state should have any business in the, in the handling of the
1:17:04
church. So like, I guess like the best
1:17:08
thing I could say is in, in terms of compromising, like, you
1:17:16
know, obviously, like I've mentioned before, like I've,
1:17:19
I've voted for politicians who aren't necessarily Christians
1:17:23
or, or may not be the same denomination as me.
1:17:26
But at the same time, I guess like you have to sort of put
1:17:29
that aside or just not engage at all in politics.
1:17:31
It's really a personal matter I guess, when it comes to it at
1:17:36
the end of the day. One more hardcore political
1:17:42
question and we'll move on to some other different things.
1:17:45
As you know, I believe it was Butler, PA Donald Trump almost
1:17:49
had his head blown off on a live feed.
1:17:53
First time CNN ever covered them.
1:17:55
They just happened to be there the one time whenever he was
1:17:58
almost killed. Do you believe that God saved
1:18:01
him for a reason? A good reason?
1:18:03
Reason why I ask you this question is, you know, about the
1:18:06
MAGA movement. A lot of them actually believe
1:18:09
that God set him on a course. Do you believe that or they just
1:18:13
pumping up a bunch of hype? I would definitely say God at
1:18:18
hand in saving Trump. You know, as far as what the
1:18:21
reason was, I don't know what the reason, but I definitely
1:18:23
think God was the one who intervened and saved his life.
1:18:27
That's the answer I would give it.
1:18:28
I don't necessarily know if there's a specific reason.
1:18:30
I don't believe that he was, that he's being used by God at
1:18:34
least maybe. I don't know if he's being used
1:18:36
by God for his glory, who knows. But honestly, as far as the
1:18:42
United States is concerned, and really the vast majority of
1:18:44
countries in the world sadly are concerned, I think a lot of them
1:18:48
date back to Romans Chapter 11 where a lot of these, these
1:18:51
nations have been broken off from the tree.
1:18:55
And it's sad, but I, I, it's hard for me to imagine in the
1:18:59
political sense that God is really using any specific
1:19:03
nation, including the United States at this point for any
1:19:07
reason or any of his glory, I guess.
1:19:09
But yes, I do believe God intervened to save Trump.
1:19:13
I don't I don't know if it was for a specific reason or not.
1:19:17
That's fair enough. Fair enough.
1:19:20
All right. Some other questions.
1:19:21
By the way, are you enjoying yourself or enjoying the
1:19:25
conversation? Oh, very much so.
1:19:28
Absolutely good, good deal, good deal.
1:19:30
I hope you weren't anxious before you came in and all that.
1:19:34
For some reason some people get that way.
1:19:36
I I consider myself pretty chill though.
1:19:39
Yeah, I would say so. All right.
1:19:41
What is the role of prayer in your life and how do you know if
1:19:45
your prayers are being answered? Seems kind of a simple question
1:19:49
kind of you. Know I feel like my prayers have
1:19:54
been answered from time to time. The way I know my prayers are
1:19:57
being answered is if I it really depends on the prayer, the role
1:20:01
of prayer in my life. I'll just answer that one first
1:20:03
is I don't have a set schedule to pray.
1:20:07
But like I said earlier, I do pray at night usually.
1:20:10
But when my prayers are answered, I feel like, you know,
1:20:15
prayer is almost like when you're talking to God and he's
1:20:17
speaking to you back, you sort of.
1:20:21
Like you get sort of an internal feeling in yourself where you
1:20:27
have an idea as to what you should do and what God is
1:20:29
guiding you to do. I think when you're sometimes
1:20:32
your prayers are an answer and that's just the fact of the
1:20:34
matter. Or sometimes we're not, may not
1:20:36
know their prayers being answered.
1:20:37
The fact of the matter is, is it's not, oh, I'm going to ask
1:20:41
God for something and he's going to automatically do it for me.
1:20:43
That's that's actually falls under the category of asking for
1:20:47
God for a sign or tempting God, which we know the Bible clearly
1:20:51
does not support. But what I will say is it's
1:20:55
almost like knocking at the door.
1:20:57
You know, you continue to knock at the and you've probably heard
1:20:59
this before, but sometimes prayer does include not just a
1:21:03
one time thing where you're just praying to God, asking him for
1:21:06
something, he's automatically going to answer it.
1:21:07
No, you may have to continue knocking at the door and seeing
1:21:10
what's in store for you. I'm sure you've heard that
1:21:12
before. That's a pretty common thing in
1:21:14
Christianity where people will teach that.
1:21:15
But as far as when God answers my prayers, I feel like, you
1:21:18
know, when I get a result that I was hoping for, that's when I
1:21:22
feel like God doesn't answer my prayers.
1:21:27
You're right, this is kind of a broad question.
1:21:31
How do you interpret or explain in your theology the concept of
1:21:37
predestination versus free will? Well, I sorry, go ahead.
1:21:46
Oh, I was going to say I'm not a Calvinist.
1:21:48
I don't. I used to follow Calvinist
1:21:52
teachers, but I never actually consider myself a Calvinist.
1:21:57
So I don't believe God unconditionally elects people to
1:22:01
salvation and just gives them faith.
1:22:05
That's the Calvinist teaching that God just predestines people
1:22:09
from He elects people from before the foundation of the
1:22:11
world and gives them faith at some point in their life and
1:22:15
forces them to believe. I do not believe that.
1:22:17
What I do believe is God basically allows us to place our
1:22:22
faith in Jesus Christ, make the conscious decision, either trust
1:22:26
in Christ alone for our salvation or simply do not
1:22:29
believe and simply to continue to not believe.
1:22:33
That's what I believe in. I believe in free will.
1:22:37
Have you ever had the opportunity to have a discussion
1:22:41
with a Calvinist like either Matt Slick or Veckel?
1:22:48
I've talked to Veckel on Smokey Saints channel before.
1:22:52
I haven't really. I don't know if it was about the
1:22:54
topic of Calvinism. As far as Matt Slick, I've not
1:22:59
talked to an individual. I've got to talk to him before.
1:23:03
He's a interesting cat. Little strange in some areas,
1:23:07
but pleasant most of the time. Yeah, I've.
1:23:09
Seen one of his video. I mean, I've seen him I think at
1:23:11
the bait, Robert Suggenes. I think he's talked to Robert
1:23:16
Suggenes before. I've seen a video like that, but
1:23:18
I've never talked to either of those guys.
1:23:22
Fair enough. Maybe you get an opportunity one
1:23:25
of these days. Some people, he's got one of
1:23:27
those personalities where you either love him or hate him type
1:23:30
of thing. How it is.
1:23:33
I'm pretty laid back. I always step back dealing with
1:23:35
people and try to understand why they think the way they think or
1:23:38
do what they do. Don't just immediately jump for
1:23:41
the judge on the cover type of deal.
1:23:43
You know what I mean? Yeah, I think that's best way to
1:23:46
do things. What does it mean to be in the
1:23:49
world but not of the world in today's society?
1:23:53
What I would say is exactly what it means.
1:23:56
You know, the world knew Jesus not he was in the world
1:23:59
physically, but the world did not receive him or accept him
1:24:03
for who he was, especially his own people.
1:24:06
So you know what I would say is it's just, it means exactly
1:24:10
that. It means exactly that.
1:24:11
Excuse me? Basically means you're in the
1:24:13
world physically. Like I'm here, but the world
1:24:17
doesn't accept you as a Christian.
1:24:22
Do you feel like you go through some of that kind of experience?
1:24:25
I'm not talking about the whole crucifixion, obviously, but do
1:24:28
you feel like there's a bit of division or a wedge between you
1:24:32
and and other people in real life, not on the Internet?
1:24:36
Yes. Like, for example, when I
1:24:38
actually was in the Catholic Church, I felt like there was
1:24:43
definitely a division between myself and other Catholics at
1:24:46
the time because I did believe in eternal security.
1:24:48
And that's sort of what sort of let me out of the Catholic
1:24:50
Church was. I felt like there was a lot of
1:24:51
Catholics who were getting upset with me when I talked to them,
1:24:53
like, hey, you know, I believe in eternal security.
1:24:55
I've even talked to priests and they would sort of get upset
1:24:58
with me and they would be like, what are you?
1:24:59
What are you? What are you listening to?
1:25:01
What are you reading? Like, what got you into this
1:25:03
sort of mindset? Why are you thinking this way?
1:25:07
And so I was like, OK, you know, this is sort of a division, like
1:25:10
you said, that sort of divides me as a Catholic convert to
1:25:15
between me and other Catholics. So it's like, yeah, I have faced
1:25:19
that sort of in my life. That's just one example of many
1:25:23
different examples though. When Jesus spoke of families
1:25:28
would be divided and all that, do you think he might have also
1:25:31
in a future since meant the family of Christ as well the
1:25:35
Christian Church? I'm not sure actually.
1:25:43
There always seems to be like more than one meaning with
1:25:47
almost everything that Jesus says.
1:25:49
Like there's some kind of intense futuristic wisdom that
1:25:53
he's warning and and trying to acknowledge to people.
1:25:57
That's one of the things I've wondered about because I do see
1:25:59
a lot of division nowadays. Yeah, no, I think that's an
1:26:03
interesting way to look at it. I don't think he was talking
1:26:06
about the Catholic Church splitting off into all these
1:26:08
different Protestant churches, because I, like I said, I don't
1:26:11
really consider those churches to be actual churches actually,
1:26:14
in the sense that they're not like New Testament churches.
1:26:17
So, you know, the Catholic Church, they like to mark of
1:26:19
themselves as the original church that was started in
1:26:25
Matthew chapter 1616 through 19. But the reality of it is, is
1:26:31
there's different ways. There's different ways to look
1:26:33
at the like the Catholic Church of 1500s is not the same
1:26:36
Catholic Church of it is today. So as far as the foundation,
1:26:40
some people say it went back to all the way to Pontius Pilate.
1:26:42
Other people like the Orthodox day, it didn't start until 1075
1:26:46
AD. And people like myself will say,
1:26:49
well, what even is the Catholic Church?
1:26:52
I mean, it's not the same Church that even was just like 200
1:26:55
years ago and even 500 years ago.
1:26:57
So I don't know, like in that sense, I don't think Jesus was
1:27:00
talking about the split between Orthodox and Catholics and
1:27:04
Protestants and Catholics. I think he might have meant more
1:27:06
so a split between different churches.
1:27:11
Like we've seen with the IFB and the NIFB, they sort of split off
1:27:15
in a separate directions. That could be a division within
1:27:19
the church because those are both New Testament style
1:27:23
churches. And of course, that split
1:27:26
started in 2018, so maybe that's what Jesus was talking about.
1:27:33
In the old times, it appears as though God sent very special or
1:27:37
important people to serve out his will and in human form, like
1:27:41
the prophets and the leaders and the authority figures of the
1:27:45
Bible. Do you feel like God still does
1:27:47
that? That every once in a while he
1:27:49
makes a Martin Luther King or Abraham Lincoln just to set the
1:27:53
tone. No, I I don't believe there's
1:28:01
any modern day prophets. Oh I I don't mean just
1:28:07
specifically a prophet, I'm talking about just a human being
1:28:11
that is above reproach. Someone who just comes along and
1:28:15
changes a big thing that was once negative.
1:28:19
Like Abraham Lincoln, due to some of his decisions and
1:28:23
changes, changed America big time.
1:28:26
That kind of thing. Send them to someone to do
1:28:29
something incredible for the moment, even if it's not for
1:28:32
long. I would definitely say God could
1:28:37
have a hand in that. I'm not sure if that relates to
1:28:41
biblical, like biblical history, but I definitely think God has a
1:28:45
hand in that and he's definitely using it for his glory.
1:28:48
So yeah, to answer your question, I would say yes.
1:28:53
All right, fair enough. All right.
1:28:55
The next question is how do you navigate disagreements with
1:28:59
other Christians on secondary theological issues?
1:29:03
I'll give you an example of something.
1:29:06
What is your view on the You probably have heard people
1:29:09
lately getting on each other about the age of the earth.
1:29:13
What do you do with people like this?
1:29:17
Well, I'm a young earth creationist.
1:29:20
As far as I do, I do believe it's not, it's not contingent as
1:29:24
upon your salvation. So I guess for lack of a return,
1:29:27
it could be secondary issue. But I do believe it is a heresy
1:29:30
to talk about, you know, the old gap theory, the old earth gap
1:29:35
theory or even theistic evolution, which I believe is
1:29:37
actually worse. But as far as we do with that, I
1:29:43
guess you would have to disfellowship from people
1:29:46
depending on this. I don't know, like that's the
1:29:48
thing, like I've been taught that a couple different things,
1:29:53
like I've been taught that you should disfellowship in people
1:29:56
who are teaching heresy. But in my personal view, I think
1:30:02
that there comes a point in time where you do, as long as the
1:30:05
person is not preaching that heresy constantly, perhaps you
1:30:09
can sort of reconcile with them in some in some capacity.
1:30:17
If you don't mind me asking, what brought you to the the
1:30:20
concept of young Earth for you? Well, I believe I take the the
1:30:26
KJV Bible to be my final authority and you know it says
1:30:30
in Exodus chapter 20 verse 11, the earth the Lord God had made
1:30:33
heaven and earth in six days. I also read Jeremy Wells's book
1:30:37
on truth in Genesis. The the why of the Saints why of
1:30:42
millions of years, I believe is what's called the sub the
1:30:44
subtitle. I just feel like, you know, it
1:30:48
makes the most sense, I guess compared to everything else.
1:30:51
Even the gap theory doesn't really make much sense because
1:30:53
the Bible defines in Genesis chapter 1, it says that the the
1:30:57
day is light and the night is dark.
1:31:01
And I'm paraphrasing when I say that, but that's I just take the
1:31:03
word of God literally in that sense.
1:31:07
You obviously probably know by now that Smokey and myself and a
1:31:11
few others are old earthers, but I try to put it this way.
1:31:16
I'm not a scientist or some kind of cosmos guy.
1:31:19
Although I find science interesting, I believe it's
1:31:22
possible that I could be dead wrong.
1:31:25
There are some things and science has had over hundreds of
1:31:28
thousands of theories and they've been debunked and
1:31:31
refuted over time. So could very well be that the
1:31:34
young earther is correct on that.
1:31:36
I try to stay open minded. All different issues.
1:31:39
I don't know if you heard recently about I believe they
1:31:42
called the Hubble telescope. Have you heard of this I?
1:31:45
Have not heard of that. Well, it's a super powerful
1:31:48
telescope they use in order to study the universe, and they
1:31:52
just found out some new things that scientists did not know
1:31:55
before. And it's affected basically
1:31:58
their idea of how time works in the universe.
1:32:02
It also effects how they have determined a lot of things, like
1:32:05
where the singularity originated.
1:32:08
So what that means is they're completely up in the air on how
1:32:12
old the universe actually is now.
1:32:14
It's not a definite anymore. So that's something that
1:32:18
Christians are going to probably need to discuss with each other
1:32:21
when they get the information. I'm always skeptical of things
1:32:26
like that, to be honest. I know that scientists will say,
1:32:29
well, we definitely proved. I mean, they say the same thing
1:32:31
about The Big Bang theory, but then they redefine The Big Bang
1:32:33
theory in the last 20 years. So, like, I remember when I was
1:32:37
growing up, we were taught that, you know, well, The Big Bang
1:32:40
just all of a sudden instantaneously brought
1:32:43
everything into existence. But now the, the teaching is,
1:32:46
well, actually we were incorrect about that.
1:32:48
The Big Bang is still going on to this day and it's ever
1:32:51
expanding. The the universe is so ever
1:32:53
expanding. Of course, that's what George
1:32:55
Leonatri, or I don't know if I pronounced his name the correct
1:32:58
way, but that that famous Catholic priest who discovered
1:33:01
the The Big Bang, he sort of came up with that theory that
1:33:06
the universe was expanding. But what they didn't come up
1:33:10
with until very recently was, well, it's still expanding and
1:33:13
The Big Bang is still happening. And actually the Earth didn't
1:33:16
come into existence instantaneously.
1:33:18
It happened slowly over the course of billions and billions
1:33:23
of years. So they say the universe is
1:33:25
about almost 14 billion years old.
1:33:28
I'm a little bit skeptical of that, to be quite honest.
1:33:30
But I understand scientists will say no matter what, what this is
1:33:34
definitely proven fact. You can't dispute it.
1:33:36
They, they say that about a lot of things, though.
1:33:38
They say that. I mean, they've been saying that
1:33:39
about evolution. And I know, I'm not sure.
1:33:42
I know, I think smoking. Is he an evolution guy?
1:33:45
I don't know. I don't know what his views are
1:33:48
on it. I used to be.
1:33:50
Whenever I was a former atheist, I was indoctrinated by the
1:33:53
public schools. I was taught that I came from
1:33:56
the womb of a baboon and for whatever reason, at the time, it
1:33:59
made sense. Now I don't really think that
1:34:03
the whole Planet of Apes mythology they're teaching this
1:34:06
is a good concept. I actually, even though me and
1:34:09
Kent, we have our disagreements Kent Hovind and talk to him, I
1:34:13
do agree with him that there's evolution and indoctrinating
1:34:17
children and the things that they don't actually have facts
1:34:20
for is very dangerous. I think it could actually bring
1:34:24
a child to nihilism. Do you know what that is?
1:34:28
I'll be honest, I've heard the word.
1:34:30
I'm not entirely certain what nihilism is, so could you define
1:34:34
that for me? Well, a lot of atheists, they
1:34:37
start heading towards nihilism in the sense that they don't
1:34:41
believe in objective truth or objective good or objective
1:34:45
evil. They don't believe they have an
1:34:47
objective purpose or reason and existence.
1:34:50
They just simply some, some garbage came off of a rock and
1:34:54
some snot and water started evolving according to them.
1:34:58
Well, if that's the case and there's no God and you got no
1:35:01
purpose, there's no point in right and wrong.
1:35:03
It's the laws of the jungle. And that's pretty much nihilism.
1:35:07
It says there's no reason to have value in anything.
1:35:10
Why even have value in life if we're nothing more than
1:35:13
chemistry? You get it?
1:35:15
That's why nihilism is dangerous.
1:35:17
So if you teach children that they're a monkey and that there
1:35:21
is no God and their lives are basically they're here and
1:35:25
they're going to die and it's going to be a miserable
1:35:27
experience on the way to that. Wait, what's the point of trying
1:35:31
then? What's the point of trying to do
1:35:33
good or do right? That's the reason why I think
1:35:36
guys like Smokey and and myself find the whole conversation
1:35:42
about can people do wrong over and over and not face
1:35:47
accountability for it. I think that that's the big
1:35:50
concern Smokey has for sure. Does that make sense?
1:35:54
No. 100. Percent.
1:35:57
All right. Fair enough.
1:35:58
Fair enough, let's see what we got.
1:36:00
Some more questions here. I'm enjoying having a
1:36:03
conversation with you. You're very well read and you've
1:36:06
got a good head on your shoulders.
1:36:08
I hope we can have more conversations in the future and
1:36:11
all that. You know, don't get yourself too
1:36:14
busy on me, I'll do my best. Let's see, what does true
1:36:19
repentance look like and how do you know if it's genuine?
1:36:24
It really depends. Depends on how you define
1:36:27
repentance. Repentance just means to change.
1:36:31
So if you're talking about repentance as in repentance from
1:36:34
dead works for example, or faith towards God, that's just talking
1:36:38
about repenting from trusting in something that you you're not
1:36:41
that you're not trusting in God with.
1:36:44
When it comes to repentance of sin, that just means to turn
1:36:47
from your sins. So I think what true repentance
1:36:49
means is just to place your faith in God and believe on the
1:36:52
Lord Jesus Christ. How you know it's genuine is if
1:36:56
someone is able to articulate like and give A and basically
1:37:01
confess with their mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in
1:37:03
that heart that God raised him from the dead, just like Romans
1:37:06
10/9 through just like Romans 9 through Jen says and the way you
1:37:09
confess that is well, for example, me Tucker, I believe
1:37:13
that Jesus Christ died was buried and rose again on the
1:37:15
third day in that he lived the sinless perfect life took the
1:37:18
punishment first sins that he didn't deserve.
1:37:20
He was tempted in every way just like we're tempted, but he
1:37:22
instead of him engaging in sin, he basically decided not to sin.
1:37:27
That's why he kept the whole lot perfectly.
1:37:29
But still, you know, of course, took the punishment.
1:37:32
He's completely blameless in God's eyes, but he took the
1:37:34
punishment that he didn't deserve so that we wouldn't have
1:37:36
to. And he did this so that all who
1:37:38
believed in him will not perish but have everlasting life.
1:37:40
So someone like me, I just gave the, the, I showed my true
1:37:45
repentance from my dead works and my, you know, my lack of
1:37:48
faith towards God. And the way you can tell is
1:37:51
basically if someone's able to articulate what they believe,
1:37:55
that they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, they trust in him
1:37:57
and they don't trust in their works, that they, you know, just
1:38:00
say that all they have to do is believe in Christ and you'll go
1:38:02
to heaven. And they have, they believe in
1:38:04
eternal security. I think that's a sign of genuine
1:38:07
repentance from dead works. As far as turning from sins,
1:38:10
it's more of an exterior, like an external thing.
1:38:12
That doesn't really have to do with salvation the way you
1:38:16
would. The way you would measure that
1:38:19
is just if someone is able to keep the commandments, but I
1:38:22
don't think that has to do with salvation really.
1:38:28
It's fair enough. All right.
1:38:30
The next question is how do you how do you feel like 1 should
1:38:34
approach people of other faiths or non beliefs?
1:38:40
Yeah, I approach them with compassion and love.
1:38:42
You can't. Like here's the thing, you have
1:38:46
to be loving towards other people who don't have the the
1:38:52
right gospel or don't believe at all.
1:38:55
And the one thing you shouldn't do is continue repeatedly to
1:38:58
approach them over and over and over again.
1:39:00
Because it says in Titus 3/8 through 10 that you have to
1:39:06
eventually dust your feet off people.
1:39:07
They if they, if you continue to preach to them more than two
1:39:11
times and they simply reject the gospel, you just have to dust
1:39:15
your feet off them. And that doesn't mean they won't
1:39:17
get saved. It just means maybe someone else
1:39:20
will maybe approach them in that in the future, hopefully and get
1:39:23
them saved through the word of God.
1:39:25
But you really have to approach them with compassion, patience,
1:39:29
and not continue to preach at them.
1:39:31
If they don't accept the gospel, just move on.
1:39:34
That's what I would say. What's your view on concepts
1:39:42
like the Trinity? You'd said that you'd been
1:39:45
around Catholics and you've seen a lot of different denominations
1:39:49
and views. Where do you sit with that?
1:39:51
I believe in the training of the Triune God.
1:39:56
I reject modalism and Unitarianism wholeheartedly.
1:40:00
And you know, I believe the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit
1:40:03
is the one true God. I know that we're both very
1:40:08
skeptical of the some of the claims that a scientist have
1:40:12
made, but I rarely hear any Christians mention this when
1:40:15
they're in discussions with like mockers, non believers or
1:40:19
Muslims who are against this. Some apparently people that are
1:40:23
outside the Christian faith, they find it silly or weird or
1:40:27
you know, why would God have three different type of concepts
1:40:31
going on here. Did you know that the human
1:40:33
brain and our consciousness? According to scientists, if you
1:40:37
believe anything they say, there are literally 3 parts in every
1:40:41
human being that work with the consciousness in order to work.
1:40:45
You ever heard of the Super ego? The ego in the Ed before.
1:40:49
Yeah, I believe that's a, that's a psychology.
1:40:52
That's a that's a psychology concept, right?
1:40:55
Anything that came from Freud. Yeah, I believe it's Freud.
1:41:00
And it also explains how we're able to have dreams and be able
1:41:04
to have our consciousness, our consciousness go while we're
1:41:07
shut down. So being that we are humans who
1:41:10
work on mechanisms ourselves, it shouldn't seem so unusual.
1:41:15
I think that when people think of the mind and consciousness,
1:41:19
they just think I'm a meat sack walking around an animated
1:41:22
hamburger and there's just one thing going on in my brain and
1:41:25
yadda yadda, yadda. They don't even take into
1:41:27
account all the different parts that make the one.
1:41:31
Does that make sense that? Makes sense?
1:41:35
Perhaps Christians might want to take that idea up that even
1:41:38
though Freud was definitely weird in a lot of areas, he
1:41:42
might be on to something. When trying to, you know,
1:41:44
explain how the Trinity works with people, I find that some
1:41:48
people find it too unusual and it's challenging for them.
1:41:53
Well, what I would say that is I think we need to be careful of
1:41:57
not sort of, you know, going after different authorities.
1:42:01
Like I genuinely, I'm a fundamentalist Christian.
1:42:04
I, I do believe that all my authority comes from the King
1:42:06
James Version of the Bible. So I would be careful to not
1:42:13
like, you know, like I mentioned George Lemaitre earlier where
1:42:16
he, you know, tried to appeal to scientific theories in order to
1:42:21
prove God's existence. I would be careful not to do
1:42:24
that. And I would say, you know, and I
1:42:27
understand people will tell me, well, that's circular reasoning
1:42:29
to just go by what the Bible says, because the Bible says
1:42:32
that. But I don't think there's
1:42:33
anything necessarily wrong with circular reasoning when it comes
1:42:35
to faith. So I, I would say that while you
1:42:39
can certainly point to some psychology or some science to
1:42:44
maybe, I guess substantiate Christianity, I would be careful
1:42:49
in doing that. I would not necessarily
1:42:50
recommend that. I understand what you're saying.
1:42:54
You got to keep your focus on the ball when I talking about
1:42:58
faith and all that. You don't want to take people
1:43:00
too far down a rabbit hole and stuff, especially if you're not
1:43:03
completely sure. But you would be the first one,
1:43:06
wouldn't you? If you were in a debate or
1:43:08
discussion with somebody about evolution, you'd bring up the
1:43:11
fact that spontaneous generation has been refuted, right?
1:43:15
You know this. Oh yeah, 100.
1:43:17
Percent, yeah. So that's a good point you made,
1:43:19
yeah. All right, so the next question
1:43:23
is I really am enjoying myself with you.
1:43:25
You've got some really great answers and a good head on your
1:43:29
shoulder. I hope you don't.
1:43:30
Mind you have me, I enjoy talking to you as well.
1:43:33
Here we go, what is the purpose of suffering and the life of a
1:43:37
believer and how have you seen it work in your life?
1:43:42
That's an interesting question. You know, I would say we all
1:43:45
have a purpose. You know, all of us have
1:43:46
suffered. But one of the things I thought
1:43:48
of recently, actually for a while now, for the last year or
1:43:52
so, I, I've been thinking about the fact that God himself has
1:43:54
suffered alongside with us. When he came down from heaven
1:43:58
and became a human being, Jesus Christ himself suffered.
1:44:02
He lived a life, but he had the same problems that we've had,
1:44:05
except he lived it blamelessly in sin or transverse the Lotto.
1:44:09
He lived a sinless, perfect life, yet he still had the same
1:44:13
issues we had. He, he hungered at times he
1:44:16
faced, he had physical illnesses at times he got sick.
1:44:20
You know, he also, of course, had anxiety just like all of us.
1:44:24
He suffered, he was beaten. He was, he was nailed to a
1:44:28
cross. I mean, he, he suffered a lot.
1:44:31
And, you know, God himself, the Father himself suffered watching
1:44:35
his son go through that and, you know, God himself.
1:44:37
Like, I genuinely believe that there's some sort of correlation
1:44:41
between God the Son, God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit
1:44:43
that we don't necessarily know about or have a relation yet.
1:44:45
But my point is, is like, yeah, we suffer day-to-day, but no one
1:44:49
has suffered more than God himself.
1:44:50
And that's something that we tend to take for granted.
1:44:53
So I think we're all just here to glorify God and even God
1:44:57
himself has sacrificed his own life here on earth just so we
1:45:01
can have eternal life and and live with him forever in his
1:45:04
presence. So I think the God always uses
1:45:08
everything for his glory. So even something right now
1:45:12
we're like, we're not going to think about that once we get to
1:45:17
heaven, really like we might think about that and look back
1:45:19
on that and have this a different perspective on it when
1:45:21
we get to heaven. So I think everything in as far
1:45:24
as suffering, you know, obviously we suffer tragedy,
1:45:27
death, illness, you know, death of loved ones.
1:45:31
I think there's a purpose behind all that for I don't know what
1:45:35
it is, but I I genuinely think God's going to use it for his
1:45:38
glory in in some way, even if we don't even know about it yet.
1:45:42
You know, a lot of people out there, they, they discuss and
1:45:45
they can give a good visual of the physicality that Jesus went
1:45:49
through all the way up to the cross.
1:45:51
But I, I've imagined to myself, what kind of emotional pain was
1:45:57
he going through when the people around him who were beating him
1:46:01
up and torturing him, spitting on him and looking at him with
1:46:04
hatred in their eyes and laughing at him.
1:46:07
What that's like for a father to see his own children wanting to
1:46:11
do that to him as they're leading him to death.
1:46:13
I I've thought of that moreover than the physicality of it.
1:46:18
Oh, no, absolutely. I agree with you 100%.
1:46:21
I think about that as well. And you know, it sort of humbles
1:46:25
you almost like, you know, and God himself humbled himself to
1:46:28
come here on earth and take the punishment for our sins,
1:46:31
something that he didn't deserve, something that he was
1:46:32
completely blameless. And that's what I think of, you
1:46:36
know, like I think of when I remember about a year ago, I
1:46:38
thought of this like when I was having trials and tribulations,
1:46:41
I thought to myself, like, you know, God himself suffered and,
1:46:44
and who knows what the perspective of God is.
1:46:46
He sees throughout all of time. So we don't know what God still
1:46:52
thinks of to this day because God is outside of time.
1:46:55
So it's interesting to think about it that way, you know,
1:46:58
like that's, that's always the way I would look at it.
1:47:03
I've heard plenty of my brothers and sisters in Christ, including
1:47:06
myself, put forth the concept of God outside of time, but I'm
1:47:12
curious how far the line is on this for you.
1:47:15
Do you believe that God can exist in the past and the future
1:47:18
at the same time? What I mean by that is, can we
1:47:22
be born in the same moment for God as we die?
1:47:27
I'm not entirely sure, I haven't given that much thought.
1:47:32
It's a weird one then. Sorry, I said it's a weird 1
1:47:36
isn't it? Yeah, it's something we might
1:47:38
not have the perspective on right now, but we might have it
1:47:41
later. Like I said, like First
1:47:42
Corinthians 1312 says, we look through a glass darkly.
1:47:47
Yeah, well, we're infantile on our understanding of the
1:47:51
universe and all things, for sure.
1:47:54
All right, the next question is, is there a difference between
1:47:57
being religious and having a relationship with Jesus?
1:48:01
If So, what is it? Yeah, I would say so.
1:48:04
The difference is being religious is simply just taking
1:48:07
part in different traditions, different, you know, rituals,
1:48:13
things like that. Whereas having a relationship
1:48:15
with Jesus Christ, the prerequisite that is you have to
1:48:19
believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
1:48:21
He says in Matthew Chapter 7, verse 23 to people who
1:48:25
proclaimed to know him but didn't believe on him that he
1:48:28
never knew them and he tells them to depart from him.
1:48:31
So Jesus Christ will not know you unless you actually had
1:48:33
faith in him. So the difference, the key
1:48:36
contrasting differences, you can be religious and not actually be
1:48:39
a believer. Like we look at, in fact,
1:48:42
there's a lot of religions that aren't Christian.
1:48:44
Like, you know, we look at Islam, for example, we look at
1:48:47
Hinduism, you know, religions like that.
1:48:51
Some of the major religions in the world don't actually believe
1:48:54
in Jesus, but they believe in another Jesus.
1:48:56
Like the Islam believes in Jesus the prophet.
1:48:59
And Hindus, they believe Jesus is a good teacher, but they
1:49:02
don't actually believe in Jesus, the son of God.
1:49:04
So the difference really would be whether or not you're
1:49:08
actually a child of God to begin with, and whether you have
1:49:11
placed your faith in Jesus Christ as opposed to just taking
1:49:14
part in different rituals and traditions.
1:49:17
I personally don't subscribe to Islam but I have taken the time
1:49:22
to actually read their book and go through the issues and I
1:49:26
noticed that Jesus is far different than the prophet and
1:49:30
any of the other figures in their book.
1:49:33
Even though they claim he was just a man and he was sent by
1:49:36
God and had nothing to do with the divine nature.
1:49:40
Some of the claims about Jesus in their own book would make you
1:49:45
question this has got to be God. Even in their book.
1:49:48
I don't know how they don't notice it or see it.
1:49:51
Like for instance, the IT says that the baby was talking right
1:49:55
off the bat. Whenever it came out, it was
1:49:57
able to have articulate conversations.
1:49:59
Born of a virgin. Even Muhammad didn't have that
1:50:03
happen for him. I don't see why they can't, you
1:50:05
know, search the Blues Clues. You get what I mean?
1:50:08
Yeah, no, I 100% they all. I believe they also say that he
1:50:12
didn't die of physical death, that he was just taken up to
1:50:14
heaven. Well, they, they say some
1:50:17
different things like that and that's really their big move.
1:50:20
But Jesus is the one, according to their book, that's going to
1:50:24
return and collect souls. If he's just a guy, just a
1:50:28
normal person, he just had a few special abilities given to him.
1:50:33
My God, then what's he doing being the one coming back and
1:50:36
picking up the Muslims? That's a good point.
1:50:39
So yeah, it's it is odd. It is very odd.
1:50:44
I don't know if you even have interest in talking about Islam
1:50:47
or anything like that. I, I, when I'm dealing with
1:50:50
them, I talk to him about what I know.
1:50:52
Here's the next question. How do you respond to the claim
1:50:55
that Christianity is just one of many paths to God?
1:50:59
Obviously, this is kind of a universalism type of question.
1:51:03
We've met a few of those, right? Yep.
1:51:05
No, I'm 100%. Yeah, I've met some of them.
1:51:11
How to respond to that is I would say it really depends on
1:51:15
when you're going off of the Bible does not support that
1:51:18
claim. Jesus says in John 14-6 that
1:51:20
he's the only way of the Father and he doesn't ever say that
1:51:25
there's multiple paths to God. It's pretty clear.
1:51:27
I mean, John 336 says he that believeth on the Son hath
1:51:30
everlasting life, and he that believeth not the Son shall not
1:51:32
see life. And also in John 318 says he
1:51:35
that believeth on him. The Son of God, of course,
1:51:37
talking about is not condemned, but he that believeth not as
1:51:39
condemned already there's all kinds of you know in first John
1:51:42
510 through 12. It says, you know that the
1:51:45
record of of God as the son of God's eternal life.
1:51:48
He that hath the son half life and he that hath not the Son
1:51:51
hath not life. First John 222 through 23 says
1:51:54
who is a liar, but he that deny that Jesus is the son of God
1:51:58
like you know so it's just you know, you can't have the father
1:52:03
without the son. It is very clear that the Bible
1:52:05
is over and over again very clear.
1:52:06
So if you don't believe in Christianity, if you aren't a
1:52:09
Christian, this there's not a pathway to heaven for you.
1:52:13
Basically is the argument I would make just according to the
1:52:15
Bible. If you don't want to go by the
1:52:16
Bible, that's fine, but you're not.
1:52:18
The Bible does not support that claim is what I'm trying to get
1:52:21
at. Right.
1:52:23
I agree with you on that. I agree.
1:52:25
It's it's very, very clear that Jesus is the way and the only
1:52:29
way. Let's see what we got.
1:52:34
What does it mean to live a life of holiness and a culture that
1:52:39
often promotes self indulgence? I would say that, you know, it
1:52:43
means to set apart yourself in the world.
1:52:45
I think there's a difference between there's a different ways
1:52:47
you can define holiness. You know, we have positional
1:52:50
standing with God. So positionally we have already
1:52:53
been sanctified by the blood of Jesus Christ.
1:52:55
So our sins have been hidden by from God in the presence of God.
1:53:00
But that doesn't mean that we should continue to sin after we
1:53:05
are saved. In fact, actually it's very
1:53:06
clear that if we do that, we'll lose fellowship with God and
1:53:10
we'll be under God's chastisement and discipline and
1:53:13
punishment. So what we should do in terms of
1:53:17
experiential holiness is we should, you know, do our best to
1:53:21
keep the commandments, obviously ask God to help us in times of
1:53:24
weakness. And the way you can set yourself
1:53:27
apart, that's what holy means, is to be set apart.
1:53:29
The way you can be holier in your life is simply by
1:53:32
continuing to read the word of God, continuing to sort of, you
1:53:36
know, try your best to walk in the Spirit and just always rely
1:53:40
on prayer. And that's one of the key things
1:53:42
I've noticed is relying on prayer.
1:53:47
Now we've been going on for almost 2 hours now.
1:53:50
Do you need a restroom break or to grab something to drink
1:53:54
Anything? I'm good.
1:53:55
I'm good as long as you're good. Well, I was just wondering if
1:53:59
you were cool Arnette, because I've been holding you up for
1:54:01
quite a while. I'm enjoying myself.
1:54:04
As I said in my e-mail, I will usually try to go as long as the
1:54:08
person is interested in it. So at any time, if you feel like
1:54:12
you got something you got to do, you just say Yep, as long as you
1:54:16
want to hang out. I consider this fellowship and
1:54:18
interview. I like it.
1:54:20
Yeah. I do too.
1:54:22
All right, so let's see, what is the role of prayer in your life
1:54:27
and how do you know if your prayers are being answered?
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Oh, I believe you asked me that. Oh yes, we did do that one.
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Sorry about that. No worries.
1:54:37
All right, let's see. How do you reconcile the idea of
1:54:40
God's sovereignty with human responsibility?
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Well, what I would say is I don't, I'm kind of cautious to
1:54:49
use the word sovereign in relation to God because I don't
1:54:52
see that. I feel like that's a Calvinistic
1:54:54
terminology and I don't see it appear in the King James
1:54:57
Version. I've seen it appear in the NIV,
1:54:59
in the NLT, but not in the KJV. So as far as how I can reconcile
1:55:05
God's, I guess, I guess sovereignty, supreme power,
1:55:09
whatever you want to call it with human responsibility, God
1:55:13
gives us free will. So, you know, even in the sense
1:55:16
of just placing faith in Christ alone is a, is a free will.
1:55:21
So when it comes to believers, what we should do is we should
1:55:26
try to keep the commandments and of course, try our best to not
1:55:30
sin as much as in certain sins. Obviously, you know, we can, you
1:55:34
know, we'll, we'll have a handle on certain sins, but we might
1:55:36
not have a handle on other sins. The reason why we should try to
1:55:39
do that is because it will get in the way of our, of our
1:55:41
testimony. If you continue to engage in sin
1:55:44
and sinful behavior, that is inevitably going to put a damper
1:55:47
on, on your witnessing and testimony.
1:55:49
I mean, as we've talked about earlier, certain, you know,
1:55:51
certain people who are Christians, they have a bad
1:55:54
testimony and a bad witness. And they're, they have a hard
1:55:58
time witnessing to people because of the fact that they've
1:56:00
continued to walk in the flesh and they're continuing to sow
1:56:03
the flesh. And as there's a consequence,
1:56:05
they're not being filled with the Spirit.
1:56:07
They're actually growing the power of the flesh as opposed to
1:56:10
simply, you know, doing doing works for God, doing good works
1:56:14
for God. So that's the reason why we
1:56:17
should keep the commandments is simply to be able to witness
1:56:20
people better and multiply as Christians.
1:56:24
As far as how you can sort of, I guess reconcile free will with
1:56:29
God's sovereignty is God doesn't force his will on to us.
1:56:34
So God's will is that none should perish, but that all
1:56:36
should come to repentance. And I think it's in first Peter
1:56:38
chapter 3 or second Peter chapter 3.
1:56:41
But the fact matter is, is God's not going to universally save
1:56:45
everyone and force people to have faith in him, but rather
1:56:48
he's going to give us a choice as to whether or not we want to
1:56:50
receive his free gift of everlasting life.
1:56:52
And that is all you have to do is just simply believe on Jesus
1:56:55
Christ. And after that he'll give you a
1:56:58
choice as to whether or not whether or not you want to have
1:57:01
fellowship with him. And if you don't want to have
1:57:02
fellowship with him, there's going to be consequences for
1:57:04
that. One of the consequences could be
1:57:05
that you could send unto death in first John chapter 516, I
1:57:09
believe it is, it talks about that.
1:57:11
So, you know, everything works out in its own way.
1:57:17
But I think the fact of the matter is, is, you know, God
1:57:21
gives us free will for a reason. I don't exactly know what the
1:57:24
reason is, but I think in part it's due to his character.
1:57:28
You know, by two immutable characteristics, God can't lie.
1:57:31
And you know, he simply just wants us to, you know, he's also
1:57:37
a just God. He wants us to live in free will
1:57:41
so that we can make our own decisions as opposed to forcing
1:57:43
us to do stuff that we don't want to do or that we, we, you
1:57:47
know, because that wouldn't make God a just God If he forced his
1:57:50
will onto everyone now, I don't believe it would make him a just
1:57:53
God. This next question I'm going to
1:57:58
ask you is one that is extremely challenging for myself as well
1:58:03
as many of my friends up there who believe in Christ.
1:58:06
This is probably one of the toughest challenges that we go
1:58:09
through, and I'm sure you probably feel the challenge too.
1:58:14
What does it mean to love your enemies and have you ever had to
1:58:18
put this into practice? Oof.
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Yeah, so, well, part of loving your enemies is praying for
1:58:26
them. And yes, actually I did put that
1:58:28
in practice about two years ago. And The funny thing is, is
1:58:31
sometimes I turn around and think, I wish I didn't do that.
1:58:34
I wish I didn't actually pray for them.
1:58:36
But you know, The thing is, it is the right thing to do.
1:58:39
You know, sort of your your ego sort of gets to you at sometimes
1:58:43
I remember. I'll give an example.
1:58:45
So, you know, these, you know, I was working my job and there are
1:58:50
people being nasty to me during that.
1:58:51
I was working at a retail store. People were being nasty to me.
1:58:56
You know, after I, after my shift, I want, I went to, I went
1:59:01
to a private location. I prayed for the two guys, the
1:59:05
two men who were being mean to me, making fun of me, being
1:59:08
nasty to me. And I said, you know, just
1:59:09
please God, just like if they haven't already been saved, of
1:59:13
course, you know, open up their hearts to Jesus Christ.
1:59:16
And obviously, I pray for them that they, you know, are OK and
1:59:20
everything like that. And it's like that's what it
1:59:23
really means to love your enemies is just intercede for
1:59:25
your enemies and also treat them with respect too, even if
1:59:28
they're not treating you with respect.
1:59:30
It's hard. You know, we're all human
1:59:33
beings, we're all feelings. But at the end of the day,
1:59:35
that's what it means to love your enemies.
1:59:39
Yeah, In the past I've talked about personal experiences and
1:59:43
things I've seen, and one of the things that I have seen that
1:59:46
makes me, that made me really start moving towards the concept
1:59:50
of God away from atheism and that I seen it even whenever I
1:59:54
was younger. But I've always been a what you
1:59:57
call a nice person who tries to get along with everybody type of
2:00:00
thing, but for some reason when you're nice.
2:00:03
People think they can take advantage, they can beat, beat
2:00:06
on you, do whatever they want, emotionally manipulate, do all
2:00:10
kinds of stuff. And I've noticed almost every
2:00:12
single time, almost every single time God deals with them, they
2:00:17
reap what they sow. So that term in the Bible for me
2:00:20
is real. Do you feel that way Sometimes?
2:00:23
You feel like people who do injustices towards you or abuse,
2:00:27
even if you continue to love them and care for them,
2:00:29
eventually God gets them in some kind of way.
2:00:33
It really depends. If they're unbelievers, I do not
2:00:35
believe they face divine discipline, but they will be
2:00:39
dealt with at the great White Throne judgement where they will
2:00:42
be cast into the lake of fire. But on this earth, you see,
2:00:45
that's the thing. If you're a believer in Christ,
2:00:48
you will face chastisement and correction from God for the
2:00:52
disobedience that you're showing towards God.
2:00:54
But if you're an unbeliever, you will not face it on earth, but
2:00:57
you will face it at in the AT judgement at the, you know, the
2:01:02
great white throne where they will be cast into hell.
2:01:05
So, you know, it's hard for me to imagine like, well, you know,
2:01:08
sometimes it doesn't appear that way that people are reaping what
2:01:10
they sow. But I don't know what's going on
2:01:13
in their personal lives. So I can't really say for
2:01:15
certain if this so and so who's done me wrong is reaping what
2:01:18
they've sowed or not. I think that's really only a
2:01:20
thing that they know what God knows at the end of the day.
2:01:25
Well, I've, I've actually had some people reach me.
2:01:28
I've always made myself very accessible.
2:01:31
I've been known to put my public phone number out, my Facebook,
2:01:35
my real name, as you can see on my screen.
2:01:38
So people have the ability to call, do that stuff.
2:01:41
And I've had a lot of people call and say, Brad, you probably
2:01:44
don't know me, but I used to make mean ass videos.
2:01:47
I used to say this and say that and man, my life just went right
2:01:51
down the toilet and everything like that.
2:01:54
I don't know who the people are most of the time.
2:01:56
So I'm just like, I'm sorry about what has happened with
2:01:58
you. I'm sorry for your pain.
2:02:01
But I, I do see that God works in people's lives and sometimes
2:02:06
I think some people need a, a padlin in order to change their
2:02:09
perspective on how they treat people and how they do things.
2:02:12
Does that make sense? That's one of the reasons why
2:02:15
you won't hear me get on to you for what you're doing.
2:02:18
I believe that there's a purpose wedding out the shaft.
2:02:22
There's there's good purpose going after incorrect ideas that
2:02:27
can, you know, screw with people's brains or their walk
2:02:30
with God. So I think in that way there's
2:02:35
some good in what you're doing, if that makes sense.
2:02:38
Yeah, that makes sense. Besides, you probably have heard
2:02:44
some people argue how come Christians don't get on to each
2:02:47
other when they know another one's wrong.
2:02:49
I don't think people can say that nowadays.
2:02:55
You see it on a daily basis, the correction going on, don't we?
2:02:59
Absolutely. All right, The next question we
2:03:03
got is woof, it is hot today. Goodness gracious, how should
2:03:08
Christians approach wealth and material possessions in light of
2:03:12
Jesus's teachings? That's a big one.
2:03:16
Well, I do not believe so. Matthew chapter 19 when the the
2:03:19
rich person, like the rich man came to Jesus and asked him what
2:03:23
he must do to inherit eternal life.
2:03:25
I don't believe Jesus literally meant you had to sell everything
2:03:27
in order to be saved. What he meant was you have to be
2:03:30
perfect, just as God is perfect and none of us are perfect.
2:03:34
Only God is perfect. He said only God is good.
2:03:36
Why do you call me good? Only God is good.
2:03:38
And that also confuses people, of course, because Jesus is God.
2:03:40
But he was trying to make sort of a statement as to, you know,
2:03:43
he was calling him good teacher, basically.
2:03:45
So obviously the young man, the rich young man didn't believe
2:03:48
that Jesus was gone, most likely.
2:03:50
But a funny thing is, is in that that chapter, Jesus says, here's
2:03:55
how you inherit eternal life. You have to keep the
2:03:57
commandments. The young man says he did keep
2:03:59
the commandments, but we know that all of sinning comes short
2:04:01
of the glory of God. So what that young man did was
2:04:03
he essentially lied to Jesus and saying he kept all the
2:04:05
commandments, which is funny because he's transgressing the
2:04:09
law right there. He's sinning by lying to him.
2:04:12
And then when Jesus says, OK, well, have you sold everything?
2:04:15
You have to sell everything and give to the poor basically.
2:04:18
And at that point the rich man's like, Nope, can't do it.
2:04:21
It's just, it's not a matter of you have to sell your
2:04:24
possessions to be saved. What Jesus is saying is if you
2:04:27
want to be perfect like God, then this is what you have to
2:04:29
do. Keep all the commandments from
2:04:31
your birth all the way to the end of your life and also live,
2:04:39
you know, like don't have material goods or anything like
2:04:41
that. So as far as material wealth
2:04:43
goes, I don't think it's necessarily a big deal within
2:04:45
Christianity. That's not to say that I endorse
2:04:49
materialism fully. I do think there is a line.
2:04:52
I'm not entirely sure what the line is, but I would say it's
2:04:56
not necessarily a salvific message.
2:05:02
All right, fair enough. What?
2:05:04
What about people who are wealthy, who do good things with
2:05:09
their money, like charities and all that?
2:05:12
Can't really do charity if you ain't got nothing to give,
2:05:14
right? Oh. 100% I think that's a great
2:05:17
thing though when people give charity.
2:05:21
All right. Next question we got is what is
2:05:25
the significance of the resurrection and how does it
2:05:28
impact your daily faith? Really a defeat of death.
2:05:33
Jesus Christ defeated death when he rose from the dead again,
2:05:36
He's going to rise all of us, raise all of us from the dead,
2:05:39
both believers and non believers.
2:05:40
So there's two separate resurrections actually that
2:05:42
happened. The first which is before the
2:05:44
Millennium Kingdom, which happens after the Tribulation
2:05:48
and that's for the believers and he's going to rise all the dead
2:05:51
in Christ 1st and then of all the living rather all the ones
2:05:54
who are alive in Christ 1st and then the dead in Christ and then
2:05:59
he will write raise all the dead who are not saved and he'll
2:06:03
raise them up at the resurrection of damnation in
2:06:06
obviously after the Millennium at the great white throne.
2:06:09
And the significance about this is Jesus really just defeated
2:06:12
death. He, you know, death, we were in
2:06:15
bondage to sin and death before, but now he's defeated that and
2:06:20
he's given us a way out to eternal life.
2:06:24
So the significance of his resurrection really is just a
2:06:27
defeat of all evil and death and destruction and how it affects
2:06:32
me daily. You know, it's just a
2:06:33
motivation, a matter of motivation just keeps me going,
2:06:37
you know, knowing that God will win out in the end.
2:06:40
And that basically it's the promise that Jesus made in John
2:06:45
chapter 1125 through 26 where he says whosoever live and believe
2:06:49
in me shall never die. And I genuinely believe that
2:06:52
promise, so that it's just all a matter of motivation in my
2:06:55
personal life. All right, this is the
2:06:58
hypothetical question. If you were given the ability,
2:07:02
you're going to get the chance to do 6 powerful things, three
2:07:07
things that will impact humanity.
2:07:10
And then there's going to be 3 things that you're going to be
2:07:12
able to impact in your own life, for your own self, personally,
2:07:16
what would you want? And you got complete control
2:07:19
whatever you want. For humanity, I would impact
2:07:23
everyone's ability to sort of light the soften their hearts
2:07:26
and, you know, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
2:07:28
I would hope I wouldn't force it on anyone, but I would hope that
2:07:31
everyone would get saved. Of course.
2:07:32
For the second one, I would, I would hope to bring World Peace,
2:07:38
of course, end to wars, everything like that.
2:07:41
The third one, you know, I would, I would end, I would, I
2:07:48
would want to end, you know, like because I was a cancer
2:07:53
survivor myself, I'd want to find a cure for cancer.
2:07:57
I was debating whether or not it would be hunger or cancer.
2:08:00
You know, I would love to eradicate both those things,
2:08:02
world hunger and cancer. But, you know, specifically
2:08:05
cancer I feel like is more the deadlier disease for everyone.
2:08:09
It could affect everyone. We all have cancer cells.
2:08:11
It's just a matter of whether or not to get activated.
2:08:13
So that would be the three things is soften everyone's
2:08:16
hearts to the gospel, bring World Peace, and, of course,
2:08:21
eradicate cancer, Find a cure for cancer, not in any
2:08:24
particular order, but the three things for my personal life
2:08:27
would be, you know, try to, I guess, build resilience.
2:08:34
I guess when I face trials and tribulations, I often sort of
2:08:37
fold and crumble at the scene. Sometimes, not all the times,
2:08:41
but sometimes I do just sort of give up.
2:08:43
I want to build resilience to #1 #2 perhaps, I guess, be more
2:08:54
motivated in my life, you know, sort of ties in with the
2:08:58
resilience part. Sometimes I, you know, have a
2:09:02
lack of motivation to complete a task when it started and then #3
2:09:08
would definitely be in relation to my walk with God would be try
2:09:12
to keep the commandments more and really try to learn more on
2:09:15
God. So I don't know if that answers
2:09:19
the question, but basically three things for the world would
2:09:22
be bringing the gospel to the world, softening people's hearts
2:09:26
to summarize this, and then bringing World Peace, curing
2:09:29
cancer. Three things for me would be
2:09:30
building resilience, motivation and enhancing my relationship
2:09:34
with God. I don't know if you've ever read
2:09:39
about this because you did state earlier in the interview that
2:09:42
you're a young man and all this. So I don't know how much you've
2:09:46
experienced or been exposed to this.
2:09:49
But if you do realize there are people out there, especially in
2:09:53
social media, who claim that they believe without a doubt
2:09:57
that the medical field and science departments already have
2:10:01
had cures for a lot of things like AIDS and cancer, but it
2:10:05
makes them more money if someone's their patient.
2:10:08
Have you ever heard this claim and how do you feel about it?
2:10:11
I do believe that that's there's some truth to that, particularly
2:10:15
for cancer. I'm not sure about AIDS.
2:10:17
I think AIDS and HIV have already kind of found treatments
2:10:19
for that, but not a not cure by any means, but that we have
2:10:23
treatments for that. But OK, I do believe there,
2:10:26
there's some, there is a, there is some things that have never
2:10:28
been tested. Because of that, I think the
2:10:31
medical establishment doesn't want to test things like cancer
2:10:34
cures, which is why we don't know if these things are actual
2:10:37
legitimate cures because they've never gone through trials,
2:10:39
they've never gotten the funding and his needs to see if it's a
2:10:42
cure or not. So I think there's some truth to
2:10:45
that. It's fair enough.
2:10:48
Do you think that people are wicked enough to do something
2:10:51
like that, that they would set on a cure for profit?
2:10:55
First Timothy chapter 6 verse 10 says through the love of money
2:10:58
is the root of all evil. So yeah, 100%.
2:11:03
Fair enough, fair enough. All right.
2:11:07
How do you discern between true and false teachings within
2:11:10
Christianity? This is something you do on a
2:11:13
daily, so this probably be a simple one for you.
2:11:17
You have to measure it up to see what the word of God says.
2:11:19
So one of the things I know that you can't lose your salvation is
2:11:23
it says multiple times throughout the New and Old
2:11:25
Testament. Actually in the book of Psalms
2:11:26
is very famous for having a bunch of eternal security verses
2:11:29
within it. Is it it's very clear that you
2:11:32
can't lose your salvation that you have it forever.
2:11:34
This you know, the word love of justice and forsake if not a
2:11:37
Saints Psalm 3827 or sorry, Psalm 3728 rather is where where
2:11:44
it says that and you know John 3639, John 639.
2:11:49
Jesus says that this is the far as the words have sent me that
2:11:51
I've all achieved given me, I should lose nothing.
2:11:54
You have to measure up to what the word of God says.
2:11:56
As far as other doctrines are concerned, the pre Trib rapture,
2:12:00
for example, it's just simply a matter of there's no evidence to
2:12:02
support it within the Bible. They use Revelation 310
2:12:05
sometimes, even though it's not talking about the rapture or the
2:12:09
resurrection, but you know they'll do stuff like that where
2:12:12
you have to really measure it up to what the Word of God says in
2:12:15
order to determine whether or not it's true or false teaching.
2:12:20
I know a lot of Christians have their idea or how they visualize
2:12:25
how the end of the world will come.
2:12:28
But let's say one day they were to say that a meteorite was on
2:12:31
its way to Earth. Like nowadays they're claiming
2:12:34
that there's a meteorite called a pothesis that is heading
2:12:37
towards us in a couple years. A planet killer is what they
2:12:41
call it. They claim.
2:12:42
Who knows what will happen with that.
2:12:44
Maybe the universal stretch, it'll fly a different way.
2:12:47
The point is, is that if you were given 5 minutes to speak on
2:12:51
a microphone that would connect to everyone and every year
2:12:55
globally, what would be the last words you would say to the human
2:12:58
race? You have 5 minutes.
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Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, trust in Him alone, and
2:13:03
you will be saved and have everlasting life.
2:13:08
Goodness gracious, you thought about this or something?
2:13:11
I did not think about this, but you know, it's just very clear.
2:13:13
I'd be preaching the gospel as hard as I can to get people
2:13:16
saved. Well, there you go, short and
2:13:20
sweet to the answer and stuff. That's some people might want to
2:13:24
say thank you family for whatever, but you got right to
2:13:27
it, got to the hearts of the men, women and children.
2:13:30
Very good, very good. All right.
2:13:33
So what role does community play in your spiritual growth and how
2:13:38
do you stay connected to it, or if at all?
2:13:42
Well, like I said, I do go to a local Baptist Church in my area.
2:13:45
You know, I'm still sort of navigating that a little bit.
2:13:48
But you know, I have fellowship with the people there.
2:13:50
Of course, I have fellowship with my pastor.
2:13:54
I guess like the the being around other people in general
2:13:59
and being in fellowship and communion of other people is
2:14:01
really enough for me to be encouraged.
2:14:04
And also I feel like there's a presence of God every time I go
2:14:07
to my church. And like I hear the sermon.
2:14:09
Like, for example, I'll just give an example, like we were
2:14:11
going over the book of Judges the other day and the sermon was
2:14:16
about like sin and why we need to, you know, obviously abstain
2:14:21
from sinning and why, why we need to lean on God.
2:14:25
It's like every time. And then there's another sermon
2:14:28
a couple weeks ago, about 3 or 4 weeks ago where the pastor was
2:14:31
talking about, you know, how you shouldn't elevate yourself above
2:14:34
God and how you shouldn't go your own way.
2:14:37
It's like anytime I'm struggling with something, God always sort
2:14:40
of just uses my my services I go to almost as a way to sort of
2:14:47
guide me in the right direction. And just being around other
2:14:51
people, having fellowship with other people really helps in
2:14:54
that sense. But I think the bigger thing
2:14:58
that the bigger thing that plays a role in it is really my
2:15:00
relationship with God. I think God knows what I need
2:15:02
before I even ask for it in prayer.
2:15:05
And I also think even when I don't ask for something in the
2:15:07
Holy Spirit, he proceeds on, he intercedes, rather, he
2:15:09
intercedes on my behalf. And, you know, something like
2:15:12
that comes about. And yeah, I mean, as far as
2:15:17
community goes, I think it's important to be around other
2:15:18
people in a physical church if you can.
2:15:23
All right. The next question is, have you
2:15:26
ever felt at all in your entire life distant from God or
2:15:31
spiritually dry? Yes, both before I got saved and
2:15:37
after I got saved. Like I said, I used to fear
2:15:41
about losing my salvation before I got saved.
2:15:44
And, you know, I mean, I've had troubling thoughts about that,
2:15:48
of course. And I feel like God sort of led
2:15:51
me to the actual gospel. That was before I got saved.
2:15:56
Of course, after I got saved, there's been times where I've
2:16:00
kind of felt bad about myself because I haven't really shared
2:16:03
the gospel with other people. And that's sort of when I felt a
2:16:06
little bit distant from God. And that's particularly what
2:16:08
happened two years ago, actually around this time.
2:16:11
So yeah, there's been times may I feel distant beforehand after
2:16:16
I got saved. All right.
2:16:23
Next question is what does it mean to make disciples of all
2:16:27
nations and how are you personally fulfilling this call?
2:16:33
I would say, you know, first of all, you have to get people
2:16:35
saved in order for them to become disciples.
2:16:36
So there could be disciples that aren't saved like Jews.
2:16:39
Iscariot is a good example. But making disciples of all
2:16:42
nations, my understanding is simply just getting the gospel
2:16:45
out to people and training them to go out soul winning.
2:16:47
What I am doing is simply just sharing the gospel.
2:16:50
It's not. Maybe that's not a big factor
2:16:51
into getting other people to become disciples, but that's all
2:16:55
I'm doing really to get people to get saved and hopefully help
2:16:58
them soul win as well. Because you cannot soul win and
2:17:02
be a disciple for God in that sense if you don't have the
2:17:05
correct gospel. Well, a lot like Smokey you,
2:17:16
you've ended up in some of your answers answering questions I
2:17:20
was going to ask you all in one hit.
2:17:23
Like you'd end up answering three questions as opposed to
2:17:27
the one and stuff. So that's awesome.
2:17:30
Pretty good. Yeah, pretty much.
2:17:32
It's everything from upbringing and the influences and
2:17:37
community. We've talked about the world,
2:17:39
the universe and these type of things.
2:17:42
Got a bit of a view on science. Is there any fields of science
2:17:46
out there that you think that Christianity should endorse or
2:17:50
stand behind? I guess we could go with that.
2:17:52
100% Health Sciences. I know there's some things
2:17:55
within like biology that sort of, you know, is a little bit
2:17:59
questionable because they do endorse evolutionary theory.
2:18:02
But I think Health Science is very important.
2:18:05
Something that pertains to our physical health is something
2:18:10
that we really need to invest time and energy in.
2:18:13
And I don't think it's we should combat that.
2:18:15
I think we should combat things like science falsely so-called
2:18:18
like Peter talks about in his epistles, such as evolution,
2:18:22
such as, you know, we, we obviously see some science when
2:18:25
it comes to this, this, you know, I don't, I don't know if I
2:18:28
should even mention it, but this gender ideology stuff, of course
2:18:32
we see that masquerading now as science, ironically.
2:18:35
So anything that doesn't appear to be profitable for us, I, I
2:18:41
don't necessarily think is necessarily something we should
2:18:43
endorse, but something like Health Sciences is something
2:18:45
very important that we should support.
2:18:50
There's a lot of people out there nowadays who believe that
2:18:53
the human race is suffering a mental crisis, such as people
2:18:58
going around claiming that they are either the reincarnation of
2:19:02
something, claiming that they're actually an animal, some people
2:19:06
claiming that they're mystical creatures that have never even
2:19:10
existed, People who think that they're a woman when they're
2:19:13
actually a guy. Do you feel like that this is
2:19:17
all a mental crisis and how do you explain it?
2:19:20
It seems to. I know you're a young man, but
2:19:24
this kind of thing just seemed to come around the corner for a
2:19:27
lot of us who've been around for a while.
2:19:30
I mean, for the longest time, for thousands of years, we knew
2:19:33
the difference between a man and a woman.
2:19:36
And suddenly this comes up and it feels like we're in the damn
2:19:41
Twilight zone. What's your thoughts?
2:19:43
Aren't it? Well The thing is, even for
2:19:45
someone like me, I'm 24 years old.
2:19:46
The thing is like even for someone my age, this is still
2:19:49
relatively new. Like, I remember growing up, I
2:19:51
never heard about this in school.
2:19:54
I mean, by the time I got, I think it started by the time I
2:19:57
entered high school. And The thing is, is like even
2:19:59
then, it didn't start blowing up until really just six or seven
2:20:02
years ago. So this is still relatively new.
2:20:06
And I would say partially due to a mental health crisis, but more
2:20:09
so I would say a spiritual crisis as well, where we've
2:20:14
already accepted things like evolution as being just a
2:20:18
scientific fact. And now we're accepting all
2:20:21
these other things that ironically, you and I would
2:20:24
understand fly in the face of science, you know, such as
2:20:28
obviously a man thinking that he's a woman and vice versa.
2:20:32
Even just that alone is, is, is insane.
2:20:34
But like, now they're finding new data that shows, oh,
2:20:39
actually there's a male brain and a female brain and somehow
2:20:42
you can get born with the wrong brain.
2:20:44
It's like, yeah, this is what I mean when we shouldn't support
2:20:47
things like that. That isn't obviously not
2:20:49
scientific and also is not biblical either.
2:20:53
And I think it is definitely spiritual warfare on some in
2:20:56
some sense. You know that according to
2:21:00
statistics, you won't ever hear about this in legacy media.
2:21:05
But according to Pew Research and other stats, if you even
2:21:08
believe in any of the stats that fly around, over 60% of
2:21:13
transgenders are usually they commit crimes that are violent
2:21:17
and aggressive, and especially towards women as well as young
2:21:21
people. How do you feel about that?
2:21:24
Why do you think that's the case?
2:21:25
And then what's weird is they're a small community compared to
2:21:29
everybody else, but they seem to have a lot of aggression and
2:21:33
violence come out of them. Yeah, I mean, I would say it's
2:21:37
not surprising, sadly, that that's that's the case.
2:21:41
A lot of them, you know, when you allow yourself to engage in
2:21:46
things like that, it really just, it really just darkens
2:21:50
your spirit. It really like puts a damper on
2:21:53
your spirit and you know, regardless, you know, it will
2:21:57
cause you to do even more wicked stuff is my opinion.
2:22:00
Honestly, I'm not surprised that they do stuff like this.
2:22:03
A lot of them, you know, and I, you know, I'll be careful with
2:22:05
my wording because obviously I don't want to get in trouble
2:22:07
with YouTube, but a lot of them do have issues when it comes to
2:22:13
their mental health, obviously. And and not only that, but a lot
2:22:16
of them have have wicked desires as well.
2:22:20
Honestly, I mean a lot of it is predicated on sexual desires and
2:22:25
sexual fantasies. Some of them I don't know the
2:22:28
exact I I've heard the terminology for this, but some
2:22:31
of them actually get off on dressing like the opposite sex.
2:22:36
I don't remember the exact terminology for this, but that's
2:22:38
part. Of it called autogenophilia.
2:22:40
That is it. That's the word.
2:22:43
So, yeah. I mean, when you engage in
2:22:47
something that wicked, you're going to end up inevitably doing
2:22:50
more wicked stuff. That's all I really can say
2:22:52
about that. So kind of a personal question
2:22:59
for you and you, obviously, I think that you get a feel for my
2:23:03
perception on all of it. But let's say that you were to
2:23:08
meet a woman that seems very interesting to you, fascinating,
2:23:12
almost seems very knowledgeable. You relate to them in every way
2:23:16
and you get involved with them, date them, and they decide for
2:23:20
whatever reason to wait a long time when they think things are
2:23:24
starting to get deeper and more intense to inform you that they
2:23:28
were once a guy. How do you respond to that?
2:23:32
I think in most cases you can tell.
2:23:35
Some cases you, I I I to be honest.
2:23:38
I think most cases you can tell though.
2:23:41
I don't know though. I I I haven't really given it
2:23:43
that much thought honestly. There are there are some of them
2:23:47
that are convincing. I remember, even though it
2:23:51
wasn't a big thing back in the day, I remember I used to listen
2:23:54
to a lot of heavy metal, especially stuff like not like
2:23:58
crew, terrible music, by the way, you shouldn't listen to it.
2:24:01
But I brought ACD home. My grandfather seen the the
2:24:05
people that were in the band on the front of it and he goes, my
2:24:09
goodness, those are some pretty women.
2:24:11
And I had to explain to them, no, that's just hair bands,
2:24:14
grandpa, those are guys. And it's like what needed to get
2:24:19
him a new prescription of glasses after that.
2:24:23
Yeah, honestly, I'm not sure I've reacted that, but I haven't
2:24:25
really given it much thought to be quite honest.
2:24:28
I thought you might laugh at that.
2:24:30
A lot of people. It's funny.
2:24:31
Oh yeah. It is a funny story, though.
2:24:35
Now there is some convincing I, I don't know if you've, there's
2:24:40
a this might be an interesting topic for you to approach on
2:24:44
your video channel since you're about going after weird gospels
2:24:48
and strange personalities and what people are pushing.
2:24:51
And this person is a huge influencer.
2:24:53
They claim to be a Christian. They claim to be all about
2:24:56
Christ and they say some very, very sweet ear tickling stuff.
2:25:01
But they are transgender. They're a guy that's become a
2:25:04
woman. Have you ever heard of Blair
2:25:06
White? Yep, I have.
2:25:10
What's your thoughts on that? I do not like that person.
2:25:14
I do not, I don't support. I mean, I'm just going to call
2:25:18
him a him honestly, if that's OK with you.
2:25:21
I don't support his and that is OK with you, right?
2:25:24
Yeah, I'm, I think that it's, unfortunately, it's a mental
2:25:28
illness. I think it's cuckoo for Cocoa
2:25:31
Puffs. Or it's for some weird, strange,
2:25:33
perverted sexual gratification. I'm not a fan of Blair White.
2:25:37
I think that person is not even a real conservative because how
2:25:39
can you Like that's the thing. How could you be conservative
2:25:42
but be socially liberal in those areas?
2:25:44
It just doesn't make sense to me.
2:25:45
And this stuff like that's what's the thing, This stuff
2:25:49
like from I remember from like 10 years ago, not ten years ago,
2:25:54
sorry, now it's even longer. Now it's like 15 years ago when
2:25:58
I was a kid growing up, even the Democrats wouldn't stand for
2:26:01
this type of thing. So the Democrats from like 2010
2:26:04
are more conservative sadly that most conservatives are so-called
2:26:08
conservatives are today. So that's what's insane about
2:26:11
these about these issues. And I, I don't like even even
2:26:15
from 2000, I don't think a Democratic politician, most of
2:26:19
them probably wouldn't support the transgender stuff like the
2:26:22
like nowadays. It's like both sides now support
2:26:25
it, which is crazy. And so, you know, when it comes
2:26:29
to the Blair White issue, there's a lot of conservatives
2:26:31
out there who think, well, as long as this person's a
2:26:33
conservative, so to speak, in, in name, at least in, in, in
2:26:38
title, then we can support this person and support their views
2:26:41
on the transgender issue. We see this with someone like
2:26:44
Rob Smith, who is also, you know, gay.
2:26:46
And I'm not going to get into that.
2:26:47
But you know, they're, they're basically are compromising on
2:26:51
these issues, right? They're compromising on all
2:26:54
these social issues, but they it's just the whole thing is
2:26:57
mind boggling honestly to my in my in my opinion.
2:27:01
Well, I think the the issue is what you brought up at the
2:27:05
beginning of our interview when you mentioned Tucker Carlson,
2:27:09
some of these figures, Blair White's become a a major
2:27:12
influencer. Blair White is reaching the
2:27:15
transgender community as well as homosexuals out there.
2:27:19
So the conservatives might be looking at it like same way
2:27:23
Democrats unfortunately do, which does make you question
2:27:27
what's the difference between neither political position.
2:27:32
But I think they see people like Blair White and Tucker Carlson
2:27:36
and what is Candace Owens, things like this as a way to be
2:27:40
able to bring in more voters, sadly.
2:27:43
So they're willing. I don't see anything necessarily
2:27:46
wrong with Candace Owens. She's pretty conservative, but
2:27:48
what from your perspective is wrong with her?
2:27:51
Well, Candace Owens, I don't have anything personal wrong
2:27:55
either, I'm actually subscribed. But there are a lot of people
2:27:58
who are mad at her about her Israel views, how she threw some
2:28:04
of the authority figures of Israel into the Epstein list
2:28:07
thing. She's been taking a lot of heat
2:28:09
recently. But because Trump folded on
2:28:12
putting that Epstein list out, it kind of brought her back.
2:28:17
I mean, she was she was starting to get stomped into the ground,
2:28:20
especially on ex social media. And then Elon turned on Trump
2:28:25
and that even made her look better.
2:28:27
So she's been lucky where she starts to go downhill due to the
2:28:31
optics of social media. But then something stupid will
2:28:35
happen with a conservative and she goes right back up.
2:28:38
She's a survivor for sure. Yeah.
2:28:41
I know 100% I like her views on Israel.
2:28:44
In fact, I feel like she doesn't go far enough on Israel.
2:28:46
But I don't want to talk about that because I don't want to get
2:28:48
you in trouble obviously. But I mean, I'm not a fan of
2:28:52
the, the whole Israel thing. I, I don't think we should be
2:28:55
supporting that country. I'd be honest.
2:28:57
But like, that's all I'll say on that topic.
2:28:59
Well, I got to, I got to put this forward to you.
2:29:02
My radio station and what I do are in my actual website and
2:29:06
everything. I don't have to worry about any
2:29:09
kind of issues or problems. I could talk about some really
2:29:12
dark stuff and they they're completely about free speech.
2:29:16
As far as YouTube, I don't give a damn if YouTube knocks me
2:29:19
down. They've done it over 30 times to
2:29:22
me throughout a 20 year period. So now I'm to the point where,
2:29:26
look, I'm going to have the discussions I want.
2:29:28
I'm going to socialize with who I want to and if they get rid of
2:29:32
that, then I'll just create another one later on when I feel
2:29:35
motivated and just keep on, keep on putting the comment content
2:29:40
for it. You got to understand, no matter
2:29:43
how nice or respectful, no matter how sweet will you try to
2:29:47
put things or even if you limit yourself to what you'll talk
2:29:51
about because you're always worried about that kind of
2:29:53
thing, no matter what, you're never going to meet their
2:29:56
expectations. These corporations, they blow
2:29:59
with the wind whatever is popular or trending that day.
2:30:02
You feel me? Yeah, absolutely.
2:30:05
So yeah, you might as well just be you and get it over with.
2:30:09
You know, I'd rather I, I've said this to people.
2:30:12
Some people get it, some people don't.
2:30:14
I rather be hated for who I am than love for something I'm not
2:30:18
100%. Yeah, no, because that's the
2:30:22
thing. If you're presenting yourself as
2:30:24
a fake version of yourself, then it's not really the person that
2:30:27
they don't love the actual person of you, they just love
2:30:29
what you're masquerading as. That makes sense.
2:30:33
I mean, yeah, as far as the Israel stuff goes, yeah.
2:30:35
Like I said, I'm not a dispensationalist.
2:30:38
I'm not pro Israel very much against Israel, what they're
2:30:41
doing to the Palestinian people, what they've done to our
2:30:43
country. And you know, so I support
2:30:48
Candace Owens on that. I, I can understand why people
2:30:51
like Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire, people are upset with her
2:30:54
because she's challenged their, their perspective and challenged
2:31:00
their, you know, obviously their ideology when it comes to that
2:31:03
stuff. But as far as I don't even think
2:31:05
she goes far enough honestly on the Israel stuff to be quite
2:31:08
honest. Ben Shapiro, I, I used to
2:31:13
really, really enjoy his content.
2:31:15
I loved that he was a young man who was super quick and he just
2:31:19
tore people's ass off in debates and discussions.
2:31:22
It was a beautiful thing to watch.
2:31:24
But nowadays, like, for instance, what he said about
2:31:27
that Epstein list, he's like, you know, why do people keep on
2:31:31
concerning themselves with that? You've got all these survivors
2:31:35
on camera talking about the abuse they went through.
2:31:37
Women who've killed themselves are mysteriously died even
2:31:42
though they made it clear they loved their existence but
2:31:44
mysteriously disappear. Why wouldn't people want to know
2:31:48
what kind of world do we want to live in where we say, well, I
2:31:51
like Michael Jordan but even if he banged kids, I'm not going to
2:31:54
hold it against him because he can throw a three pointer.
2:31:57
That's fool. Exactly.
2:31:59
No, I mean, and that also sort of waters down the rest of his
2:32:03
ideology. Like he claims to protect
2:32:05
children. He claims to want to protect
2:32:06
children from the gender ideology stuff.
2:32:09
When it comes to an actual like pedophile like Jeffrey Epstein,
2:32:12
well, let's not concern ourselves with that.
2:32:15
Unfortunately, I have a bad feeling that what happened was
2:32:20
when he keeps mentioning the Democrats did something and I
2:32:24
think they probably got something on him.
2:32:26
He was probably, he was probably a couple of the parties drinking
2:32:29
some funky Kool-aid and goofed off a little bit too much and
2:32:32
get recorded on it. So he's going to have to decide,
2:32:36
do I make the sacrifice? Do I bring justice of people
2:32:39
that take a beating? Or what happens happens, Who
2:32:43
knows? No, yeah, 100%.
2:32:47
I don't think he's going to release them though.
2:32:50
Well, you have any suggestions for people that you find
2:32:53
interesting that keep their act clean that I could check out?
2:32:59
So you're asking me to suggest like different people that you
2:33:01
wanted to look into? Yeah, obviously you've had some
2:33:05
good influences that gave you some good thought process.
2:33:09
We both know you like Candace Owens.
2:33:11
I'm already subscribed to her though.
2:33:13
You got anybody else that you wouldn't mind having a
2:33:16
discussion with or hanging out with, having BBQ with?
2:33:20
Well. Funny enough, I mean, I've
2:33:22
actually exposed this person, I think like I'm not sure if
2:33:25
you're familiar with. I'll be honest, I'm not a big
2:33:28
fan of this person, but I guess like someone like, I don't know
2:33:33
if you're familiar with Nick Fuentes.
2:33:36
Sounds familiar I'm never going to get on to you man about if
2:33:41
you feel that somebody is doing something wrong or saying some
2:33:45
nonsense, I'm never going to get on to you for that.
2:33:48
I, I think it's stupid to tell total strangers on the Internet
2:33:52
how to how to do things. It's, it's OK to talk to them
2:33:55
about God and why it's beneficial for them, but I'm not
2:34:00
going to tell you how to run your YouTube channel.
2:34:03
I believe you're the master of your own destiny on that.
2:34:06
Yeah, Like, here's the thing. I've exposed him because he's a
2:34:08
Catholic. He says you can lose your
2:34:09
salvation. But The thing is, is he has some
2:34:12
pretty good views on Israel and things like that.
2:34:14
He's been interviewed by Candace Owens.
2:34:15
But some of the things I would caution against him is he is
2:34:19
kind of, he does say some weird wacky stuff.
2:34:22
He's a young guy. He's pushing 30 years old.
2:34:24
He's not 30 yet. But like The thing is, is he
2:34:27
does say wacky stuff because he has weird views on like
2:34:30
relationships and and dating and that type of thing.
2:34:33
So I, and obviously I don't agree with his theology as I've
2:34:37
already mentioned. But other than that, he is
2:34:39
pretty sound politically, I would say.
2:34:41
I mean, you know, in terms of politics, I think that's, I also
2:34:48
like, there's not many people I love when it comes to politics,
2:34:53
to be quite honest. How you feel about guys like
2:34:58
John Lennox? I do not know what that is.
2:35:02
John Lennox is a Christian mathematician.
2:35:06
He's a little bitty guy, kind of looks like a leprechaun, kind
2:35:09
of. He's destroyed Richard Dawkins
2:35:12
and many, many atheist figures and debate.
2:35:17
You probably recognize him once you see his face if you type him
2:35:20
in real quick. Yeah, let me take a look, John.
2:35:23
How do you spell his last name? Lennox, LENNOXI Believe.
2:35:32
I do not recognize him, but I have him pulled up right here.
2:35:37
I'm not entirely sure. So when it comes to religious
2:35:39
people, I mean, I would recommend someone like I guess
2:35:44
what I would recommend is, I mean I like Jack Smack 77.
2:35:46
He's pretty sound, I would say in terms, in terms of the
2:35:50
gospel, I think Narado Diamante, I'm not sure if you've heard of
2:35:52
him, but he's a pretty big YouTube.
2:35:54
He has 30,000 subscribers. You know, he's a pretty solid on
2:35:57
the gospel. I, I guess I, I like Steven
2:36:07
Anderson to some degree, but I think he's in grave error on
2:36:09
certain doctrines. I'm not entirely sure though.
2:36:14
I mean, you know, there's, there's people I like for
2:36:16
different reasons. You know, that's as far as the
2:36:22
Christian side of things goes. I used to like people like Todd
2:36:28
Free. I, I had no idea was a
2:36:29
Calvinist. And I used to follow some other
2:36:31
Calvinists like Alan Parr, who I knew was a Calvinist, but I
2:36:34
thought he had some sound doctrine.
2:36:38
But yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, it's really depends.
2:36:42
Honestly. I haven't really seen a lot
2:36:44
other than I've I've watched those guys stuff.
2:36:51
But yeah, I mean, I don't know. Those are some people I'd
2:36:54
recommend looking into I guess. You don't have to talk about
2:36:59
this if you don't want to, but I believe it was yesterday
2:37:02
whenever I was asking about the interview, I had just stepped
2:37:05
into the comments and I heard Beckel getting kind of anxious
2:37:09
on screen and I heard I seen some people talking about some
2:37:13
kind of Jack Smack guy. What was going on?
2:37:15
It seemed like you were being thrown into AWWE event one of
2:37:20
those. Guys, yeah.
2:37:21
I mean, one of those guys is just a troll and for some reason
2:37:23
he's obsessed with me. I guess, you know, his name is
2:37:26
Bond. He's just a troll, a
2:37:28
troublemaker. And the reason why he goes after
2:37:31
me is because he has some weird fixation on me and he's trying
2:37:34
to, he's trying to get me to attack Smokey.
2:37:36
So, you know, he's asking me, Oh, is Smokey saved?
2:37:39
And it's like, oh, really? If he's saved well, and you talk
2:37:42
to Jack, he's just trying to drive wedges and get people mad
2:37:45
at me and get me mad at other people.
2:37:47
And it's like, that wasn't no big deal.
2:37:50
I blocked him. Honestly, he was getting mad at
2:37:51
me because I blocked him again. I, you know, so really, when it
2:37:56
comes to people like that, you got to just move past them and
2:37:58
just ignore them. Honestly, you can't engage
2:38:01
because I did make the mistake of engaging with him thinking
2:38:04
that, oh, maybe he's changed. And it's like, oh, clearly he
2:38:07
didn't change. So yeah, that's why I just
2:38:09
pushed the block button after that interaction happens.
2:38:13
You know, at some point you just have to do that.
2:38:16
As far as other people I know, Beckel was upset with me because
2:38:18
I said John MacArthur. No, it wasn't.
2:38:19
Well, he disagreed me on the John MacArthur situation, but I
2:38:22
said that Charlie Kirk was unsaved.
2:38:26
I mean, he left a comment on my my community post.
2:38:28
He thought I blocked him. I, I, I actually, one of my mods
2:38:31
blocked him, but I unblocked him recently.
2:38:34
So yeah, I'm not sure about that.
2:38:39
Charlie Kirk for me, I, I never really thought on a theological
2:38:43
level on feeling bad about him. But how do I put this?
2:38:49
The only time I really was interested in watching anything
2:38:53
with him in it was when Candace Owens happened to be in the same
2:38:56
video. But as far as that, he kind of
2:38:59
bores the hell out of me. I don't know why.
2:39:02
And when it comes to guys like Jordan Peterson, I think he has
2:39:05
some intelligent things sometimes that he says, but I
2:39:09
think that he stretches out what he's saying where it could be
2:39:15
said so simple, like in a a single sentence, but he just
2:39:19
goes on and on. It's like, what the hell are you
2:39:22
doing, man? Just get to the point.
2:39:26
Oh, as far as blocking people, I'm all about that.
2:39:28
That's one of my hobbies. I actually have an app where it
2:39:31
not only blocks them, but it also makes it to where it
2:39:36
removes the script in the browser where I can even see
2:39:39
their channel or videos. Yesterday, that's when I blocked
2:39:43
two people and then I was accused of being a liberal for
2:39:45
that. Like there's a difference
2:39:46
between blocking someone on your personal account and trying to
2:39:49
censor them and get them kicked off of you.
2:39:51
Like, I'm not calling for anyone to get kicked off of you.
2:39:54
I'm just saying, oh, I don't want to deal with you, so
2:39:56
therefore I'm just going to ignore you and block you.
2:39:58
There's a big difference between that.
2:40:01
Yeah, yeah, I, I understand if someone's irritating or they're
2:40:06
aggravating and stuff and they won't stop.
2:40:09
I have countless times I said I've told people, look, I mean,
2:40:13
you remember the video I did towards somebody who was running
2:40:16
their mouth at me. I said don't do this, don't go
2:40:18
in this direction. There's no need for this.
2:40:21
We can talk like adults. If the person continues on, I've
2:40:25
got no problem. I don't, I don't like have tears
2:40:27
or have a sad whenever I just click that block thing.
2:40:30
So it's all good. No.
2:40:33
Yeah, absolutely. All right.
2:40:38
You have any questions for me? Well, not really.
2:40:44
I mean, I appreciate you having me on.
2:40:46
If you always feel free to reach out, always feel free to comment
2:40:48
on my channel, of course, if you ever want to schedule something
2:40:52
like this again. And you're always welcoming my
2:40:54
channel, of course. But yeah, I mean, that's about
2:40:57
it really. I appreciate you having me on.
2:40:59
All right, well, I enjoyed having yarn.
2:41:02
You've answered pretty much a lot of the theological questions
2:41:05
I have. There was some I threw off the
2:41:07
cuff based upon how the conversation was going and all
2:41:10
that. I'm glad you enjoyed yourself
2:41:13
and if you ever run a show or whatever, just let me know.
2:41:16
I'll most likely because I'm subscribed to you.
2:41:19
I'll see it anyway. If you throw a link out, I'll
2:41:21
come in and and pester you. Absolutely, yeah.
2:41:25
You're always welcome to. I usually don't do many open
2:41:28
streams, but I might start doing that soon.
2:41:31
But yeah, no, yeah, I'll see what I can do.
2:41:34
But yeah, I appreciate having me on. 011 thing a suggestion for
2:41:39
you if you haven't tried it already.
2:41:41
If you get people like the Bond guy, I don't know nothing about
2:41:44
him but I've ran into plenty of idiots who like stalk control
2:41:48
and do the oh weds division thing.
2:41:51
Yeah, to the person, sounds like you have a personal problem with
2:41:54
that, that character that you're Speaking of.
2:41:57
If you haven't, if you talk to them directly, I'm not their
2:42:00
psychiatrist, they're paying their bills, you go talk to them
2:42:03
if you got a problem. And if that doesn't work, then,
2:42:06
you know, give them the, give them an emoji and then a block.
2:42:10
That was the thing, like I was trying to do that yesterday.
2:42:13
The thing is, he's I don't have a problem with him.
2:42:15
He's the one that has a problem with me.
2:42:16
For some reason. This has been an ongoing thing
2:42:18
since January or December. I don't know when I I don't even
2:42:22
know the guy and he's constantly like thinking about me, talking
2:42:25
to me, about me, trying to mess with me.
2:42:28
It's really weird. That's why I just like, okay,
2:42:30
you know, I'm just gonna ignore and disassociate and block
2:42:34
because this guy has some weird fixation on me.
2:42:37
So. You know what I've discovered?
2:42:39
I've discovered that people who have the empty accounts and all
2:42:43
that, those are usually sock accounts by somebody that I have
2:42:47
dealt with for real, but they don't want to use their main
2:42:50
channel to harass me. I would probably, if I had to
2:42:55
predict, I would probably think it was somebody like Praise or
2:42:59
Thick Shades or. Something.
2:43:00
Oh no, no, no, no. He's a real person.
2:43:02
Do you think that this person's real?
2:43:04
No, I've heard him. He's actually gone and praised
2:43:06
and he's gone and praised this channel.
2:43:07
He's gone on other people's channels.
2:43:08
He has a real voice. He's gone and praised this
2:43:10
channel. So I know for a fact it's not.
2:43:12
He's actually had a problem with praise before himself.
2:43:15
He's trolled praise. He's messed with him.
2:43:18
So I know for a fact he's a real person.
2:43:21
Is he an atheist? I have no like I've been told he
2:43:25
is but he claims he's a Christian.
2:43:27
That's what I don't I'm confused by.
2:43:28
He hangs out in the circle he had.
2:43:30
All of his friends are atheist but he claims he's a Christian
2:43:33
so I don't know what he is honestly.
2:43:35
Ask him a question that only a Christian would know.
2:43:38
I asked him yesterday, are you a Christian?
2:43:40
He's like, why do you ask me that?
2:43:42
And it's like, well. The person has a hard time
2:43:46
answering that question. Then they're not the real deal.
2:43:49
I've met a lot of posers who've come into my show claiming to be
2:43:52
a Christian and they're not to be an atheist wanting to play.
2:43:56
Yeah, I don't know what the deal is.
2:43:58
Honestly. I think he is an atheist.
2:44:00
He's, I was told he used to be a Christian, but like he's left
2:44:03
and then came back and left. Honestly, I don't like, The
2:44:06
thing is, I'm not too concerned about this, this bond individual
2:44:08
because like he's, he's nothing. I don't even know his real name.
2:44:12
He doesn't know me really in my personal life.
2:44:15
So I don't really care about this person.
2:44:16
That's why I blocked him. It's like he's not worth my
2:44:18
time. Sounds like a good idea.
2:44:22
Sounds like a good idea. You sure you don't have anything
2:44:25
on your mind? Something you want to plug or
2:44:27
advertise for you? Shut her down.
2:44:29
Well, you know, what I will say is I really appreciate you
2:44:32
having me on the show. You know, like I said again, my
2:44:35
YouTube channel is Talker 1611. You can also find me at Easy
2:44:39
Believer Talker as my handle on YouTube.
2:44:42
But as far as what's on my mind, I just want to say I can't.
2:44:46
Thank you, Vecco, Ryan, Smokey, you know, I can't thank you guys
2:44:51
enough for supporting me throughout that whole situation
2:44:54
where my cancer is being mocked. I really appreciate it from all
2:44:56
you guys. And yeah, I mean, that's really
2:45:00
about it, you know, Thank you again for having me on.
2:45:02
Yeah. That's enjoyable.
2:45:06
I'm going to hit end broadcast. It's going to play an outro.
2:45:09
I don't know if you want to say something to me behind the
2:45:11
scenes or if you got some things you got to do.
2:45:15
What do you think? I can see some stuff behind the
2:45:17
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