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Mega Edition: Bryan Kohberger's Life In Jail Leading Up To The Trial That Never Came (8/27/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. Brian
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  Speaker 1: Koberger is living a rather secluded life in jail according
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  Speaker 1: to sources. He doesn't get to associate with the other
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  Speaker 1: prisoners and in fact is kept under constant supervision and
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  Speaker 1: constant guard. The only time that he really gets to
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  Speaker 1: associate with other people is when he's talking to his pastors.
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  Speaker 2: Because, you know, once you go to jail, you find God.
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  Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, miraculously, you're as religious as
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  Speaker 1: one of Jesus' disciples. Isn't it funny how that works?
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  Speaker 1: You would think that you'd find Jesus or God before
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  Speaker 1: you murdered four people. But don't let that get in
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  Speaker 1: the way of you becoming a holy man or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that. I could have sworn that there were some commandments,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that talked about thou shall not kill. But
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  Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Brian Koberger has found a different
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  Speaker 1: religion that none of us are aware of. Maybe he
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  Speaker 1: is part of a new church called the Church.
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  Speaker 2: Of the Inflamed Toe. Who knows?
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  Speaker 1: Because as far as I know, in Christianity, thou shall
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  Speaker 1: not kill is one of the most important tenets. So
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  Speaker 1: all of these people who end up going to prison
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  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they find God, I find
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  Speaker 1: it laughable at best. Today's article is from Newsweek. Headline,
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger's secluded life inside jail.
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  Speaker 2: Reports.
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  Speaker 1: This article was authored by James Bickerton. Brian Koberger, who
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  Speaker 1: is accused of murdering four University of Idaho students in
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  Speaker 1: the early hours of November 13th, is quiet and does,
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  Speaker 1: as he's told in prison, according to a media report.
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  Speaker 2: Probably a good idea.
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  Speaker 1: One would think that if you're on trial for a
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  Speaker 1: quadruple murder and you haven't been found guilty yet, you'd
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  Speaker 1: be on your best behavior while you're in the lockup.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure the jury doesn't want to hear reports of
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  Speaker 1: someone acting like an absolute boob while they're locked up
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  Speaker 1: waiting for trial. So probably a good idea not to
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  Speaker 1: wild out. Kohlberger is being held without bail at the
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  Speaker 1: Latah County Jail in Moscow, Idaho. the same town where
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  Speaker 1: the four students were killed. The jail where the suspect
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  Speaker 1: is being held in solitary confinement is located in the
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  Speaker 1: basement of the Latah County Courthouse. In January, Koberger was
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  Speaker 1: charged with four counts of first-degree murder and one felony
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  Speaker 1: burglary after being arrested on December 30th at his parents'
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  Speaker 1: home in Pennsylvania. He is accused of killing Kaylee Gonsalves,
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  Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin, all of whom
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  Speaker 1: were stabbed to death in a shared student house. While
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  Speaker 1: Koberger has yet to enter a plea in court, his
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  Speaker 1: legal representative in Pennsylvania said shortly after his arrest that
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  Speaker 1: he was eager to be exonerated. Speaking to DailyMail.com, one
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  Speaker 1: inmate at the jail said Koberger follows his case obsessively
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  Speaker 1: on a television set inside his cell. The inmate said
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  Speaker 1: he watches himself all the time. It's really kind of bizarre.
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  Speaker 1: Not really, when you think about it. These kinds of people,
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  Speaker 1: if Brian Koberger is the man the government tells us
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  Speaker 1: he is, they get off on this. They want to
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  Speaker 1: be involved. They want to watch themselves on TV. They
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  Speaker 1: want to go back to the crime scene. They want
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  Speaker 1: to go to the candlelight vigil. And that certainly has
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  Speaker 1: been something that we have seen from these kinds of
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  Speaker 1: individuals in the past. And when we learned about Brian
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  Speaker 1: Koberger's online activities... Well, it just solidified for me anyway
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  Speaker 1: that he was following along with this case very, very closely.
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  Speaker 1: And then to find out that while he's in jail,
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  Speaker 1: it's basically all that he watches? Yeah, I think that
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger is certainly fitting into a profile here. And
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  Speaker 1: unfortunately for Brian Koberger, that profile fits nice and snug
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  Speaker 1: next to a lot of other killers that we've talked about.
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  Speaker 1: According to News Nation's Ashley Banfield... Koberger is able to
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  Speaker 1: choose which channel he wants to watch in contrast to
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  Speaker 1: other prisoners who can only view what is selected by
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  Speaker 1: their jailers on a shared TV. Why do these people
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  Speaker 1: like Brian Koberger get special treatment? Why does he have
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  Speaker 1: all these other channels and the other prisoners only get
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  Speaker 1: to watch one channel? This dude should have to watch
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  Speaker 1: like Bob Ross all day.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, pretty tree. Look at the pretty tree.
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  Speaker 1: Instead, they're letting him fawn over himself and engage in
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  Speaker 1: all kinds of weird-ass self-aggrandizing. A source inside the jail
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  Speaker 1: said Koberger receives mass every Sunday at 7 p.m. Addressing
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  Speaker 1: a DailyMail.com reporter, they said, he sits down with the
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  Speaker 1: pastor and receives his own private mass. It's just the
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  Speaker 1: two of them, and no, I have no idea what
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  Speaker 1: they might talk about. One prisoner who had seen Koberger
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  Speaker 1: being moved about said, He always has the same expression
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  Speaker 1: or non-expression.
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  Speaker 2: Seems to be the case.
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  Speaker 1: Every picture we've seen of this dude, he looks exactly
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  Speaker 1: the same to me. He has that deadpan ass stare.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the thousand yard stare that you get if
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  Speaker 1: you're like in a war zone or something. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: certainly is rocking that. Has that soulless look to him.
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  Speaker 1: And he just looks like he is disassociated from reality.
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  Speaker 1: He just looks straight ahead. I've never even seen his
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  Speaker 1: eyebrows or mouth move. He never says anything. Banfield said
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  Speaker 1: she was told Koberger had been very polite and hasn't
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  Speaker 1: made any trouble for anyone since arriving at the jail.
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  Speaker 1: And remember, he's being held in solitary confinement. So there
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  Speaker 1: is a limit on the access he has to other
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  Speaker 1: inmates or on the flip side of that, that the
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  Speaker 1: other inmates have to him. So there's really not an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to for him to wild out, if you will. Unless,
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  Speaker 1: of course, he wants to act out against the guards.
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  Speaker 1: And with him facing trial here, I don't think this
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  Speaker 1: is the right time to do that. If you want
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  Speaker 1: to act like a jerk off in prison, then that's
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  Speaker 1: one thing. But right now, while you're in the lockup,
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  Speaker 1: waiting to be convicted or waiting to go to trial,
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  Speaker 1: probably a good idea to be on your best behavior.
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  Speaker 1: She added, a source who has intimate knowledge of Brian
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  Speaker 1: Koberger in jail... has told us that upon setting eyes
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  Speaker 1: on Kohlberger for the first time in person, it was
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  Speaker 1: a whole other image. On television, the description was that
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  Speaker 1: he looked like a toothpick, a skinny toothpick on TV.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't see that. Guy looks like he's in decent
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  Speaker 2: shape to me.
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  Speaker 1: And from all of the reports we heard, we know
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  Speaker 1: that he runs, he works out, and keeps himself in
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  Speaker 1: pretty good physical shape. And you have to be in
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  Speaker 1: pretty good physical shape to commit the kind of crime
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  Speaker 1: that they're saying that he committed, right? To kill four
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  Speaker 1: people with a knife? That is not an easy thing
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  Speaker 1: to do. So if you're not in good shape, or
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  Speaker 1: at least not in decent shape, then you're going to
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  Speaker 1: tire out real quick. And if Brian Koberger has been
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  Speaker 1: planning all of this, you would have to think the
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  Speaker 1: fitness portion of it was part of it. If you
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  Speaker 1: want your plant to succeed, you have to be physically
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  Speaker 1: capable of carrying it out. But the toothpick image on TV,
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  Speaker 1: according to this source, in person, it looks like he
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  Speaker 1: is well over 200 pounds and is quite imposing. Koberger
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  Speaker 1: was a criminology graduate student and sometimes teaching assistant at
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  Speaker 1: Washington State University when the murders took place.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting to hear about.
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  Speaker 1: What this dude's up to while he's locked up and
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  Speaker 1: what his behavior is, but this is exactly what I expected.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't expect him to have any kind of issues
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  Speaker 1: while in lockup. A, he's not going to be around
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  Speaker 1: other prisoners, and B, he doesn't want to take the
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  Speaker 1: chance of ruining himself come trial time. As far as
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  Speaker 1: him being able to watch himself on TV, however, I
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  Speaker 1: think that's a bit crazy. He should be under the
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  Speaker 1: same restrictions as the rest of the inmates. Whatever they're watching,
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  Speaker 1: he should be watching. I don't know why guys like
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  Speaker 1: this get special privileges while they're locked up. Now, another
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  Speaker 1: interesting bit of information that has been released over the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of days is how much money it cost
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  Speaker 1: to fly Brian Koberger from Pennsylvania to Idaho. And to
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  Speaker 1: talk about that, we have an article from KTVB Channel 7. Headline,
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  Speaker 1: how much did police spend to fly Brian Koberger across
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  Speaker 1: the country? According to a public records request, Pennsylvania State
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  Speaker 1: Police spent $ 14, 100. That's quite a lot of money to
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  Speaker 1: fly somebody across the country, throw this dude on Southwest Airlines,
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  Speaker 1: put him in some handcuffs, and be done with it.
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  Speaker 1: This article was authored by Alexandra Dugan and Danny Alsop.
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  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania State Police spent $ 14, 100 per a records request filed
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  Speaker 1: by KTVB to fly Idaho murder suspect Brian Koberger back
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  Speaker 1: to Pullman, Washington for his extradition process.
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  Speaker 2: The flight was a private police.
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  Speaker 1: Plane which left Scranton, Pennsylvania on January 4th and then
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  Speaker 1: arrived at the Pullman Moscow Regional Airport around 7.30 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger was then booked into the Latah County Jail in Moscow,
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  Speaker 1: where he remains until his preliminary hearing on June 26th. Kohlberger,
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  Speaker 1: a former Washington State University graduate student in criminology, is
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  Speaker 1: charged with first-degree murder in the deaths of Kaylee Gonsalves,
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  Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin, who were found
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  Speaker 1: stabbed to death in an off-campus home in Moscow, Idaho,
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  Speaker 1: on November 13th of 2022. Court records say police found
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  Speaker 1: DNA on a knife sheath left at the scene that
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  Speaker 1: matched Kohlberger's DNA. He was later arrested at his family
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  Speaker 1: home in Pennsylvania in December of 2022. Pennsylvania State Police
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  Speaker 1: could not specify if they are sending a bill to
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  Speaker 1: Idaho State Police for reimbursement. But ISP spokesperson Aaron Snell said,
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  Speaker 1: to his knowledge, they have not received anything to that effect.
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  Speaker 1: Snell said that the cost of the flight usually includes
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  Speaker 1: paying the pilot, the officers on the plane, and the
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  Speaker 1: fuel costs. I mean, I guess it makes sense. You
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  Speaker 1: got to pay people to do their job, right? But
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking over here that the marshals have some kind
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  Speaker 1: of plane like in the movie Con Air. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: that Con Air plane up in the air and let's
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  Speaker 1: get the prisoners in that bad boy. But either way,
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting to take a look at
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  Speaker 1: how much money that cost to fly Brian Koberger from
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  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania to Idaho. I also think it's interesting that Pennsylvania
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  Speaker 1: didn't ask to be reimbursed for that. So pretty interesting stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And as these details continue to become available, we'll certainly
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  Speaker 1: get them added to the catalog. All right, folks, that's
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  Speaker 1: going to do it for this one. All of the
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  Speaker 1: information that goes with the episode can be found in
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  Speaker 1: the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back to
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  Speaker 1: the program. Ever since the murders in Moscow occurred, The
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  Speaker 1: Gonsalves family has been at the forefront demanding justice not
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  Speaker 1: only for their daughter, but for all of the victims
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  Speaker 1: of the alleged killer, Brian Kohlberger. And they have been
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  Speaker 1: adamant from the beginning that they have not been treated
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  Speaker 1: correctly by the investigators. And that's something that I pointed
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  Speaker 1: out when all of this was happening in real time.
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  Speaker 1: I said then that making them out to be witnesses
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  Speaker 1: in this case so that they could gag order them
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  Speaker 1: was reprehensible, and I still feel the same way. And
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  Speaker 1: I also think that the ridiculous commentary that was fired
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  Speaker 1: at Mr. Gonsalves throughout this whole thing has been completely
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  Speaker 1: misplaced and misguided. It's real easy for somebody sitting on
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  Speaker 1: Reddit or Facebook or something to have an opinion about
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  Speaker 1: what Mr. Gonsalves should be doing or shouldn't be doing.
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  Speaker 1: This man and his family just went through some of
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  Speaker 1: the worst stuff you could possibly imagine. They should be
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  Speaker 1: given space to grieve however they like. And if they
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  Speaker 1: want to call out the investigators, then that's their prerogative.
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  Speaker 1: And there shouldn't be any kind of punitive punishment for it.
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  Speaker 1: And it seems to me anyway that you could look
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  Speaker 1: at it through that lens. I mean, what, we've never
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  Speaker 1: seen prosecutors play games like this before? And stuff like
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  Speaker 1: this just once again swings the camera focus right over transparency.
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  Speaker 1: The more transparency, the better. But one of the big
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  Speaker 1: problems with the investigations into the murders in Moscow was
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  Speaker 1: how bad the communication was between the investigators and the
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  Speaker 1: public at large and the families. And because of that,
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  Speaker 1: the Gonsalves family, they went out and hired a lawyer
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  Speaker 1: named Shannon Gray. And Shannon Gray has worked as their
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  Speaker 1: intermediary ever since. But in today's article, we're hearing more
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  Speaker 1: from Kaylee Gonsalves' dad, Steve, about Brian Kohlberger getting all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of pretrial privileges.
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  Speaker 2: And when Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Gonsalves asked who was paying for all of that, the
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  Speaker 1: prosecutors refused to answer. Now, why in the hell would
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  Speaker 1: they refuse to answer about who's paying for it? Especially
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  Speaker 1: considering Mr. Gonsalves is a resident of Idaho, you know,
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  Speaker 1: taxpayer of Idaho, nevermind the fact that his daughter was murdered.
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  Speaker 1: And this is the kind of stuff that gets me
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  Speaker 1: fired up. The prosecutors are out here talking about, oh,
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  Speaker 1: trust us, we're doing the right thing. But at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, we're hearing from the family something completely different.
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  Speaker 1: So let's dive into this article from Fox News and
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  Speaker 1: let's try and find a little bit of clarity in
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  Speaker 1: all of this murk. Headline Brian Koberger's unprecedented pretrial privileges
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  Speaker 1: include vegan food, new suits and a computer. According to
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  Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalves's dad, this article was authored by Michael Ruiz.
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger, the former criminology PhD student accused of fatally
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  Speaker 1: stabbing four University of Idaho undergrads in a home invasion,
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  Speaker 1: may be getting much better treatment in jail than other inmates,
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  Speaker 1: according to the father of one of the victims. Koberger
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  Speaker 1: has been held without bail in the Latah County Jail
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  Speaker 1: in Moscow, Idaho, since January. I've been informed that his
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  Speaker 1: pretrial privileges, like his five suits, video, and computer special treatment,
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  Speaker 1: and vegan meals, are unprecedented in the history of Idaho.
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  Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalves' father, Steve Gonsalves, told Fox News Digital, and
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  Speaker 1: imagine hearing that news. Your daughter was found brutally slain.
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  Speaker 1: This guy is charged with killing her. And then you
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  Speaker 1: find out he's getting all kinds of privileges that nobody
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  Speaker 1: in the state of Idaho has ever got before while
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  Speaker 1: behind bars. I think that if that's true, Mr. Gonsalves
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  Speaker 1: has a serious, legitimate beef. Why should this guy be
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  Speaker 1: getting all kinds of benefits that nobody else is getting?
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  Speaker 1: Now he should be given the same amount of benefits
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  Speaker 1: that any other inmate or prisoner at the lockup is receiving.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing more, nothing less. I said the same thing with
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  Speaker 1: Ghislaine Maxwell when she was on her bullshit. Oh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not getting enough time with my lawyers, yada, yada, yada. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: she was getting more benefits than any other prisoner, not
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  Speaker 1: only in New York, but basically in the federal prison system.
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  Speaker 1: She was the second person to receive a visitor after
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: the COVID lockdowns were taken away from the jails. But
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  Speaker 1: she didn't get treated right either. Now we're hearing that
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  Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger over here is getting himself a nice special
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  Speaker 1: vegan menu, getting the homie hookup. Must be nice, huh?
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure the other people in the lockup don't see
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  Speaker 1: it that way, though. Shortly after Kohlberger's arrival in Idaho,
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  Speaker 1: Latah County Sheriff Richard Skiles told Fox Nation the jail
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  Speaker 1: would accommodate Kohlberger's request for vegan meals, typically vegetables or
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  Speaker 1: rice and beans, but we are not going to buy
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  Speaker 1: new pots and pans. This dude should be eating peanut
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  Speaker 1: butter and jelly sandwiches. Oh, you want a couple of carrots?
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  Speaker 2: Here you go.
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  Speaker 1: Besides that, he should have to buy all of this
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  Speaker 1: stuff that he wants from the commissary. Why should the
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  Speaker 1: jail have to change it up for Brian Kohlberger? Maybe
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: I should have one of my best friends come on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast and talk to you about his ten and
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: a half years in prison and we'll see if he
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  Speaker 1: had the menu changed for him at all. Spoiler alert,
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  Speaker 1: he didn't. The sheriff did not respond to a request
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  Speaker 1: for comment. After the suspected killer's initial court appearances in
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  Speaker 1: an orange jail jumpsuit, he began showing up dressed in
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  Speaker 1: a suit and tie. Gonsalves said he tried to find
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  Speaker 1: out who paid for the suits and get other information
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  Speaker 1: about the defense budget through a public records request, but
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  Speaker 1: it was denied under a gag order on the case.
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  Speaker 1: They won't tell us, he said, but I witnessed the
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  Speaker 1: moment they agreed not to handcuff him in court. Well, look,
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  Speaker 1: I understand that and I understand the suits, but there
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: should be an accounting of where this money is going
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  Speaker 1: and how it's being spent. How is that something that
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  Speaker 1: should be under the gag order? That's ridiculous. And it's
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  Speaker 1: one of my biggest problems with the gag order. They
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  Speaker 1: use it as a shield so that they don't have
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  Speaker 1: to give out any information whatsoever. And that's ridiculous. People
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  Speaker 1: have had enough of the cloak and dagger. People have
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: had enough of the stupidity. And people want a full
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  Speaker 1: accounting of what's going on. His daughter, Kaylee Gonsalves, was
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  Speaker 1: found dead alongside her lifelong best friend and housemate, Madison Mogan,
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  Speaker 1: also 21, in the latter's third-floor bedroom at their rental
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  Speaker 1: house on King Road, just steps off the college campus.
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  Speaker 1: On the second floor, police found their housemate, Zanna Kernodle,
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  Speaker 1: and her boyfriend, Ethan Chapin, both 20. All four had
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  Speaker 1: been stabbed to death, according to the county coroner. Two
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  Speaker 1: other occupants were not attacked, including one who told the
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  Speaker 1: police she saw a masked man leaving through the rear
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: sliding door, according to a December probable cause affidavit. The
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: affidavit remains the most detailed account of the allegations against
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  Speaker 1: the suspect nine months later following the gag order. And
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: it's crucial for anybody out there who has not read
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: that affidavit yet. Make sure that you do. That affidavit
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: is super crucial to everything that we're talking about. So
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: it's super important that people read that affidavit if they
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  Speaker 1: want to have an understanding of this case. Even before
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  Speaker 1: the gag order, authorities were tight-lipped about the investigation, and
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Kohlberger's defense attorney, Kootenai County Public Defender Ann Taylor, declined
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  Speaker 1: to answer questions from Fox News Digital. Now both sides
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  Speaker 1: are seeking to have news cameras removed from the courtroom. Yeah,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: that looks good, huh? In a case where there's been
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: no transparency the whole entire time, now you're telling me
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: that we're going to remove the cameras too? Sure, that
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: looks great. Everybody's on board with that, said nobody. Regrettably,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: it seems the judge and prosecutor are overly concerned with
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: accommodating the defense, leaving us, the advocates, for our children,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: with no choice but to step forward, Gonsalves said. And
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: it's crazy to me that Mr. Gonsalves or any of
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: the family members would even feel like that.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't. that way, doesn't it?
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: It seems like every decision that's been made, at least recently,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: has been all about Brian Koberger. Well, what about the victims?
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: And what about the community and the people of Idaho
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: as a whole? Who's representing them? It's supposed to be
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: the prosecution, but when they keep making decisions like this,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: it makes me wonder. I understand that they want to
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: protect the integrity of the case, and they don't want
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: to say anything, you know, untowards, but there certainly is
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: the appearance that they're bending over backwards for Brian Kohlberger.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Kohlberger's defense and Latah County prosecuting attorney Bill Thompson have
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: both asked Judge John Judge to bar cameras from future proceedings.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: The court heard arguments.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: On the issue Wednesday against and he said that he
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: would make a decision at a later date. A media
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: group led by the Associated Press is opposing the measure,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: and outside experts say the arguments from both Koberger and
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: the prosecutor's office may be unfounded. Well, no shit they're unfounded.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: For whatever reason, I can't tell you because I have
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: no idea, the prosecution is still hell-bent on secrecy when
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: they shouldn't be. They have the goods on this dude,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: at least as far as we can tell. So why
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: such a move for secrecy? Just because both sides want
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: to hide the proceedings from the public doesn't mean that
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: the judge has to go along with that request, said
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Royal Oaks, a Los Angeles media attorney who in the
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: 1990s successfully convinced a court to allow OJ Simpson's murder
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: trial to be televised. The public is entitled to see
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the judicial system at work. As they say, sunlight is
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: the best disinfectant. And that's something I definitely agree on.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: The more light of day something like this sees, the
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: better off we all are. Kohlberger is facing four charges
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: of first-degree murder and another of felony burglary. He can
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: face the death penalty if he's convicted. A judge entered
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: not guilty pleas on his behalf at his arraignment in May.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: A trial originally scheduled to begin in October has been postponed.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: So as you can see here, the Gonsalves family is
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: still swimming uphill when it comes to getting answers or
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: to getting any help from the prosecution. And the prosecutors
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: have had a bit of an adversarial stance with the
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Gonsalves family throughout the entirety of this whole entire investigation.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: And that shouldn't be the case. Now, I understand. that
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: they don't want people out there talking about the case, this, that,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: the other thing. So fine, don't give the families any
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: inside information. But you should keep them in the loop.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: And you definitely should be talking to Mr. Gonsalves if
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: he has questions about things like Brian Koberger getting the
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: homie hookup.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: While in jail.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Because I don't know how that has anything to do
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: with the gag order. So hopefully, Judge Judge rules to
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: keep these cameras in the courtroom, but as I've said before,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I am not very, very confident that he's going to
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: do so. One thing that I can guarantee you, though,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: is that we're going to be here every step of
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: the way. If you'd like to contact me, you can
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: do that at bobbycapucci at protonmail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I at protonmail.com.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with this episode can
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: be found in the description box. Fine. What's up, everyone,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. We've heard quite a
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: bit now about Brian Kohlberger and the trips to go
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: see the pastor while he's been locked up. Well, Daily
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Mail has an exclusive interview with the pastor who's been
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: sitting down with Brian Kohlberger and talking to him about
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: his newfound faith in God. So today we're going to
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: dive right into that article from the Daily Mail and
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: see what this pastor has to say. So let's get
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: right to it. Headline exclusive. He can receive God's forgiveness,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: but it won't relieve him of responsibility. Brian Kohlberger's prison
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: pastor admits counseling the accused University of Idaho murderer is
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: challenging stuff after he turned to Christianity behind bars. And
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: how come all of these knuckleheads have to wait until
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: they kill somebody or end up in prison before they
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: find God? Can't you find God before you become an
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: absolute scumbag? As far as the author of this article,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: there isn't one listed, so I guess we'll go with
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Daily Mail staff. Ministers who have been meeting with Brian
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Koberger in the Latah County Jail are preaching the gospel
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: that even the greatest sinners can be forgiven by God,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: but They recognize even Jesus Christ can't save the accused
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: quadruple murderer from the criminal justice system. We do not
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: tell folks that this will relieve them of their responsibility
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: for their crimes. Pastor Mike Hall, head of the group
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: that sends lay ministers to the jail, told DailyMail.com in
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: an exclusive interview. Regardless if you're in for some offense
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: like that or some drug offense, we're all on the
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: same plane in terms of our need for grace and
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: forgiveness from God. And I'll tell you, I have a
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: lot of respect for people that can find it in
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: their heart to forgive people like Brian Koberger. Because in
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: my heart, I can never find the room for it.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Once you're convicted of a crime like this, there's no
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: forgiveness from me anyway.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Certainly no empathy.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: And I find it convenient, honestly, that all of these
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: scumbag criminals, after they're convicted of these horrendous crimes, all
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: of a sudden find their way to the kingdom of God. Yeah,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: that's not transparent or anything. Dailymail.com can now reveal that
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: the 28-year-old, who has been locked up without bail in Moscow, Idaho,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: since early January, sits down for one-on-one sessions with members
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: of Project Hope, Idaho, a local Christian organization that dispatches
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: about a dozen lay ministers to county jails and prisons
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: to provide gospel services and classes on Sunday nights. Koberger
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: leaves his cell at 7 p.m. on Sundays to meet
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: with the minister, who leads him in prayer in the
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: prison library. Yeah, I'm sure that it's all about God,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: and it has nothing to do with breaking up the
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: monotony of being in that cell. Steve Otto, a board
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: member of Project Hope, said the decision to share the
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: gospel with Koberger is challenging stuff for sure. I found
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: myself praying quite a bit about truth and justice, he said.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: My heart goes out to the victim's parents. I can't
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: imagine the pain they're feeling. We want justice done. At
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the same time, Otto said, God is a God of
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: compassion and that extended to everyone. That's my personal hope
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and that's my faith. I would say that he, Koberger,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: is welcome to receive God's forgiveness and grace.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Well, that's fine.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: That's between him and God, right? As far as I'm concerned,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: if he's convicted, there is no forgiveness. There is no grace.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: There's only a life behind bars. until he gets lined
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: up in front of that wall and killed, or gets
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: a needle shoved into his arm and killed. But besides that,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: there's no grace, and at least for me, there's no
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: forgiveness either. Hall confirmed that members of the organization have
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: met with the accused killer, though he wouldn't disclose details
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: of the conversation. I know they've requested folks to sign special,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: non-disclosure agreements. You can't discuss anything about it. It's a
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: requirement from the Sheriff's Department. A lot of that has
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: to do with the gag order, I'm guessing, and the
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: fact that they don't want anything to slip through the cracks.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: The approach, however, is similar with all inmates, he said.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Members of Project Hope, established in 2008, read Bible passages
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: and teach Celebrate Recovery, a Christ-centered, 12-step program aimed at
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: helping individuals overcome their hurts, habits, and hang-ups, Hall said.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: The gospel is meant for all of us. for all
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Romans 3.23, he said, citing the Bible passage they share
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: with the inmates. And anybody who's helping people get off
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: drugs while they're in prison, I think that's a great thing.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: So if that's something that this group is doing, then
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: that's certainly a positive for the whole community. Because remember,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: people who are in there for drug possession and shit,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: they're getting out of jail. They're not going to be
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: in there for a very long time. So do we
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: want them to come out and do the same thing
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: over and over again and be a net negative on society?
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Or do we want to help them get off these
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: drugs if possible so that they can come out and
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: live a life worth living? So having the resources available
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: while you're in prison to get off the drugs, I
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: think that's a great idea. Some of us have done
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: more and some less, he added, but God has shown
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: his love for us by giving his only son to
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: pay the penalty for our sin on our behalf. John 3,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: 16 says, And Romans 3.21.31, that is God's intention for us,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: that we have life as he talks about in John 10.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: The evil one, the devil, comes to steal and kill
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: and destroy. But Jesus came that we might have life,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Hall continued. So when we go into jail or the prisons,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: we share this good news with the inmates and invite
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: them into the kingdom of God where they can learn
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: to truly live. He was quick to stress, however, that
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: their ministry is not about excusing crime, stating that even
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: King David did not get away with his adultery with
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Bathsheba and the killing of her husband, Uriah, as described
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: in 2 Samuel 12, particularly verses 9 through 12. The
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: gospel is truly good news, no matter what we might
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: face here in this life. Man, I wish I could
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: have that kind of faith. But on life has made
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: me way too cynical to dive into the deep end
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: of the faith pool. Dailymail.com spoke with current and former inmates,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: as well as jail sources, to discuss Kohlberger's time at
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: the jail. Among other revelations are that Koberger gets his
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: daytime access to a television and likes to flip on
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: the news to follow coverage about his own case. He
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: watches himself all the time. One inmate told DailyMail.com, it's
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: really kind of bizarre. By all accounts, he has been
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: a model prisoner, a jail official tells DailyMail.com. This despite
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: facing taunts from inmates who sometimes shout at him as
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: he shuffled past their cells. Well, he better get used
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: to that. Because once he leaves the lockup and he's
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: on a main line, it's going to be go time.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: These inmates, they already don't like him. And that's just
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: in the lockup. Imagine when he's in the federal penitentiary
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: with straight up murderers and savages and white supremacists and
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: you name it. Yeah, I'm sure they're all going to
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: love Brian Koberger. I'm sure he's going to be the
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: belle of the ball. When one inmate named Tyson hollered
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: bitch at the accused murderer during a recent weekday, Koberger
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: barely flinched. turning toward him with a menacing stare without
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: breaking stride as he proceeded down the hall, according to
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: one inmate who watched it happen. He always has the
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: same expression, or non-expression, said one inmate, who met with
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: a DailyMail.com reporter in the jail. He just looked straight ahead.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I've never seen his eyebrows or mouth move. He never
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: says anything. Well, why would he? It's in his best
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: interest to keep his mouth shut and certainly not talk
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: to any kind of jailhouse snitch, because that's what a
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: lot of these dudes are, let's be real. And the police,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: the corrections officers, know that, and they strategically place these
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: kind of snitches in jail cells with people like Brian Koberger.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Obviously not right now, because there's too much going on
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: as far as the case, the notoriety. and security means.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: But a lot of times, the prison will use a
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: snitch that is based inside the prison to try and
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: get some information from an inmate while they're in the lockup.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Kohlberger spends most of his time alone in a private
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: cell kept away from other inmates who share cells. He rarely,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: if ever, chats with jailmates who typically only see him
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: when he walks past them. They say he maintains a
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: steely stare when he steps out to meet his lawyers
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: or to visit the library. and that he's always flanked
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: by several correction officers who escort him wherever he goes.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: It'd be nice if they would have gave Jeffrey Epstein
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: that kind of protection in prison, huh?
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: That'd have been real nice.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Somehow, someway, though, Jeffrey Epstein, well, eh, slips through the cracks.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: I guess that's for another story, though. The jail houses
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: a couple dozen inmates in a sprawling basement directly underneath
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: the Latak County Courthouse and Sheriff's Office near downtown Moscow.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Opaque windows... to some of the cells face a quiet
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: side street located just 1.4 miles from the rental home
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: where four University of Idaho students were slaughtered during the
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: pre-dawn hours of November 13th. Police arrested Koberger, a Ph.D.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: student in criminology, at nearby Washington State University in Pullman
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: on December 30th. He has been held without bail in
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Moscow jail since January 4th, pending his next court hearing
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: on June 26th. the case could give him the death penalty.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I hope he gets the death penalty, inmate Harrison Papillon said.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if he didn't. And I'll tell you what,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if he didn't as well. We saw
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: with Lori Vallow that she didn't get it. But so far,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: all the signs are pointing to Brian Kohlberger getting the
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: death penalty if he's convicted of these crimes. Lata jail
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: officials remain tight-lipped about Kohlberger's time behind bars. One official
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: told DailyMail.com that Kohlberger's been well-behaved during his time there
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: with no incidents. The official also pointed out that Kohlberger's
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: strict vegan dietary needs are being met by the vendor
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: that prepares meals for the prisoners. Must be nice, huh?
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Let me get my tofu steak, pal. But despite his
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: quiet demeanor, inmates say that they're well aware of the
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: gruesome crime he's accused of carrying out. They follow the
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: case intently on the news and discuss their infamous fellow inmate, daily.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: I've been reading about the whole case since it started
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: and knew he was in there, said recently released inmate
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Kyle Ledet. It's disturbing that something like that can happen
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: in my hometown. I'm just happy I wasn't in the
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: same cell as his. I've only seen him a few times,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: he added. He was wearing orange sweats, an orange t-shirt
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: with two guards accompanying him wherever he needs to go.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Ledet described the jail as cold and disgusting. Well, it
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: is jail, What's it supposed to be? Homely, warm, and welcoming?
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: He shared a cell with five people who get access
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: to any adjoining day room where they could watch TV, eat, shower,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: and talk. We'd always talk about the fact that he
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: was in the same jail with us. Ledet told DailyMail.com,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Nobody liked the guy, I can tell you that. There's
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of hatred. But we were in awe of him.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Nothing like that really happens around Moscow. It shocked a
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: lot of people. Papillon said he's tried to get intel
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: about Koberger's time in jail, but the officers there don't
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: share much of anything. He's only about 30 feet from
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: my cell, he said.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: It's truly crazy.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm in here with one of the
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: most infamous alleged mass murderers in the United States. Well,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: they might be in awe of Brian Koberger in the
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: county jail, but that awe is certainly going to turn
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: to disdain once he gets to the state level, right?
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Once he's at the state penitentiary, things are going to
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: change drastically. Everything that's going on in that state penitentiary
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: is being run by the gangs. So if they say
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: that Brian Kohlberger is going to be greenlit the second
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: he hits the yard, he's going to be greenlit.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: But I highly.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Doubt that he's going to end up on the main line.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: He's going to end up PCing up and going on
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: to the protected yard with the Chomos and the other
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: snitches and other undesirables in the prison. So I would
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: be shocked as hell to see Brian Kohlberger not PC up.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: But who knows what's going to happen. We have a
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: long way to go before we get to that point,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: and we have to get through the trial phase first.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: But we'll be here the whole entire way as the
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: story continues to evolve. All right, folks, that's going to
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: do it for this one. All of the information that
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: goes with the episode can be found in the description box. Everyone,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. Daily Mail has an
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: article out talking about Brian Koberger's time in jail. And
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: according to them, they have a source who was an
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: inmate at the jail that Brian Koberger is currently residing in.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: So let's dive into this article from Daily Mail and
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: let's see what they came up with. Headline, searing new
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: insights into Brian Koberger's jail life as told to DailyMail.com
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: by his fellow inmates. He obsesses over TV coverage of
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: his own case, has turned to God and faces constant taunts,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: from other prisoners. Well, he better get used to that.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Anytime you're somebody of notoriety and you're in jail, there's
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: going to be other prisoners who are looking to build
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: a name off of busting your shit. I mean, we
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: saw John Gotti get beat up in jail. We saw
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Jared Fogle catch a hot one.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: You name it.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: So when you're in jail and you have some notoriety,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: there's always that chance that one of the other inmates
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: is going to try and build his name up and
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: bust you up. And when you're somebody like Kohlberger, that increases.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: People take a look at what's going on, and you
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: got to remember, these people in jail, they have families,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: they have daughters, so they watch the news, they see
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: the coverage, and if they get their hands on Brian Kohlberger,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: it'll be a wrap for them. And them pointing out
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: that he obsesses over the TV coverage of his own case,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: that certainly tracks. I've always thought that Kohlberger was watching
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: the case, following it, and getting off on the coverage.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure that hasn't abated now that he's behind bars.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: This article was authored by Sean Cohen. Brian Koberger is
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: obsessed with following his own case from behind bars and
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: has now found God, attending Mass every Sunday, sources said.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Now why is it that it takes these people to
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: go to jail, the fine God? Don't you think that
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: with all of your free time, When you're in the
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: free world, if you wanted to find God, you would
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: have found God. It always cracks me up when I
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: hear this. Oh, so-and-so, he's religious now.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, sure. Is that before or after?
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: He brutally murdered four people in their bed. Give me
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: a break. He found God. Dailymail.com spoke with current and
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: former inmates, as well as jail sources, to discuss Koberger's
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: time at the jail. Among the revelations are that Koberger
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: gets daytime access to a television, and likes to flip
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: on the news to follow coverage of his own case.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Narcissism 101. This guy's getting off on the coverage, he's
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: getting off on the fact that everybody's following it, and
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: that's exactly what he wanted. He wanted his time in
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: the sun, right? I want my time to shine. Just
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: like the rest of these sick bastards. I mean, look
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: at BTK. He's living vicariously through Brian Kohlberger right now,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: and getting off while it all happens. And that's why
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I said earlier in an episode about these people who
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: just get the death sentence and then sit on death row.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: If we're not going to go through with the death sentence,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: then let's build new facilities and let's put all of
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: these scumbags in these facilities. But instead we let them
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: sit on death row and have these fan clubs and shit.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: it's all bizarre to me he watches himself all the
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: time one inmate told dailymail.com it's really kind of bizarre
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: not if you're a narcissist it's not If you're a narcissist,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: this is normal behavior. Watching yourself on TV, what could
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: be a bigger shot of adrenaline in the arm for
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: a narcissist? The accused quadruple murderer, who has been locked
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: up without bail at the Latah County Jail since early January,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: steps out of his cell at around 7 p.m. on
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Sundays to meet with a local pastor who leads him
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: in prayer. He sits down with the pastor and receives
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: his own private mass. A source inside the jail said,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: It's just the two of them. And no, I have
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: no idea what they might talk about. Oh, that's nice, huh?
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger gets himself a nice one-on-one with the pastor. Now, look,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: I get it. The dude's innocent until proven guilty. I
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: understand that. And he should have all of the benefits
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: that anyone who is locked up has until he's found guilty.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Once he's found guilty, then I believe that the nature
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: of his sentence should be very, very restrictive. especially in
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: a state like Idaho, where they have the death penalty.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: And remember, I'm basing that all on the fact that
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: the people of Idaho have decided that the death penalty
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: is right for their state. So it doesn't matter what
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I think living in Nevada, right? It's up to the
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: people of Idaho. But if you're not going to follow
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: through and carry out the death sentence, then it seems
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: to me that the smart way to go about it
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: would be directing some resources to build new facilities in
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: And put all of these dirtbags who get the death
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: penalty into these facilities where they can just sit in
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: their cells. People convicted of quadruple homicides and serial killings,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: they shouldn't have the ability to get emails from adoring
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: fans from the outside world. They should be able to
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: get emails from, you know, family or people close to them.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: But as far as adoring fans, zero chance. By all accounts,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: the 28-year-old has been a model prisoner, a jail official
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: tells DeliML.com. This despite facing taunts from inmates who sometimes
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: shout at him as he shuffles past their cells. One
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: inmate named Tyson hollered bitch at the accused murderer during
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: a recent weekday. Kohlberger barely flinched, turning toward him with
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: a menacing stare without breaking stride as he proceeded down
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: the hall. According to one inmate who watched it happen. Oh,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: real tough guy. I'm going to stare at you. Well,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: guess what, Brian Koberger? You won't have the benefit of
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: sneaking into my house and attacking me while I sleep.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: So keep staring and watch how quick your bitch card
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: gets pulled. You're in jail now, homie. Whole new ballgame.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: And you're going to learn the hierarchy real quick. And
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: breaking news, bub, you're not at the top of the
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: food chain. He always has the same expression or non-expression.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: said one inmate who met with a DailyMail.com reporter in
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: the jail. He just looks straight ahead. I've never seen
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: his eyebrows or mouth move. He never says anything. Kohlberger
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: spends most of his time alone in a private cell,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: kept apart from other inmates who share cells. There's no
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: doubt that he has to be kept apart. You can't
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: put a guy like this on the main line.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: There's no way.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, even if people aren't mad about
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: the actual crimes he committed, They're going to look for notoriety,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: and to do that, killing or beating up somebody like
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger is a surefire way to make sure everybody
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: in the prison system knows your name. He rarely, if ever,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: chats with jailmates, who typically only see him when he
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: walks past them. They say he maintains a steely stare
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: when he steps out to meet his lawyers or to
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: visit the library. and that he's always flanked by several
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: correction officers who escort him everywhere he goes. Hell, maybe
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: we should have put Jeffrey Epstein's bitch ass in jail
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: in Idaho. They would have done a better job watching him,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: it looks like. The jail houses a couple dozen inmates
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: in a sprawling basement directly underneath the Latah County Courthouse
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: and Sheriff's Office near downtown Moscow. Opaque windows to some
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: of the cells face a quiet side street. located just 1.4
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: miles from the rental home where the four University of
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Idaho students were slaughtered during the pre-dawn hours of November 13th.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Police arrested Koberger, a Ph.D.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Student in criminology, at nearby Washington State University in Pullman
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: on December 30th. He's been held without bail in the
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Moscow jail since January 4th, pending his next court hearing
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: on June 26th. The case could get him the death penalty.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: I hope he gets the death penalty, inmate Harrison Papillon said.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: I'd be shocked if he didn't.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Leyta jail officials remain tight-lipped about Koberger's time behind bars.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: One official told DailyMail.com that Koberger's been well-behaved during his
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: time there with no incidents. The official also pointed out
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: that Koberger's strict vegan dietary needs are being met by
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: the vendor that prepares meals for the prisoners.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Must be nice, huh?
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: So if I ever go to prison, does that mean
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: that I have a constant supply of chicken parmesan? That's
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: my dietary need. I need to have that five times
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: a week. So if I don't have that five times
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: a week, I'm suing you. This is pretty absurd. What
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: does that even mean? His strict vegan diets are being met. Bro,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: here's a banana. Here's some Cheerios.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Shut your yap. But despite his quiet.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Demeanor, inmates say they're well aware of the gruesome crime
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: he's accused of carrying out. They follow the case intently
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: on the news and discuss their infamous fellow inmate daily.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: I've been reading about the whole case since it started
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: and knew he was in there, said recently released inmate
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Kyle Lettett. It's disturbing that something like that can happen
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: in my hometown. I'm just happy I wasn't in the
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: same cell as his. I've only seen him a few times,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: he added. He was wearing orange sweats and an orange t-shirt,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: with two guards accompanying him wherever he needs to go.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Let it describe the jail as cold and disgusting. Hang
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: on a minute here, a jail that's cold and disgusting?
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I thought jail was supposed to be like the Four Seasons.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: He shared a cell with five people who get access
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: to an adjoining day room where they.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Could watch TV, eat, shower, and talk.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: We'd always talk about the fact that he was in
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: the jail with us, let it told DailyMail.com.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Nobody liked the guy, I could tell you that. There's
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: a lot of hatred, but we were in all of them.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Nothing like that really happens around Moscow. It shocked a
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: lot of people. Papillon said he's tried to get intel
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: about Koberger's time in jail, but that the officers there
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: don't share much of anything. He's only about 30 feet
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: from my cell, he said.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: It's truly crazy.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm in here with one of the
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: most infamous... alleged mass murderers in the United States. And
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: for a town like Moscow, where most of those people
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: are in jail for, you know, petty assault or possession
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: of drugs, something like that, this is definitely out of
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: character and out of the normal for what goes on
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: in Latah County. It's not like they're in Los Angeles
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: and they bring in Richard Ramirez. You know, gangbangers and shit,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: they shrug their shoulders and keep it moving. You're in
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Idaho here. And there's never been something like this ever
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: in the history of the state to happen. So, of course,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: the inmates who are sharing jail time with this dude
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: are following along with what's going on.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: But once he leaves.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: The lockup and actually ends up in the penitentiary, if
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: he's found guilty, things are going to get a lot
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: more dangerous and interesting for Brian Koberger. All right, folks,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. All of
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: the information that goes with the episode can be found
• 47:35
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