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NFL Free Agency Primer: Jaelen Phillips Is One Of Very Few Upper Echelon Edges In Free Agency · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Everybody?
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  Speaker 1: It's Jeff Mosher Adam Kaplan. We are knee deep in
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  Speaker 1: NFL free agency preview. We have done the entire offensive
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  Speaker 1: side of the football, so now we transition to NFL
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  Speaker 1: free agency, Eagles free agency on the d defensive side.
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  Speaker 1: And we've been Adam talking about NFL a lot, We've
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  Speaker 1: been talking about Eagles at times, and here's where the
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  Speaker 1: paths are going to cross, because we're gonna go through
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  Speaker 1: the edge rushers. And obviously the Eagles have one who's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be a very hot commodity on the free agent
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  Speaker 1: market if he doesn't wind up resigning before, which the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles can do. They can do that. But I and
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  Speaker 1: if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen in the next
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  Speaker 1: few days. But yeah, that this guy is one of
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  Speaker 1: the cream of the crap guys. John Phillips on this
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  Speaker 1: free agency market.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well be Trey Henderson would be the number one guy,
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  Speaker 2: right And it's just do you think so he would.
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  Speaker 1: Get do you He wouldn't get a similar unless franchise length,
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  Speaker 1: but right, like, he's not gonna get four or five
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  Speaker 1: years of his age, right.
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  Speaker 2: No, but the money, the average per the average per
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  Speaker 2: years is the number right that he would that's where
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  Speaker 2: he's gonna that's where he almost certainly would get more
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  Speaker 2: than Jalen Phillips. You never say never with these things,
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  Speaker 2: especially when we get to the open negotiating negotiating period
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  Speaker 2: on Monday. That's why if you're saying that he goes
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  Speaker 2: gonna want to get that done before twelve eastern on Monday,
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  Speaker 2: this coming up Monday, because once you get there, it's
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  Speaker 2: the wild, wild West. These deals are done within twenty
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  Speaker 2: four hours. And Wednesday, the joke is like when the
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  Speaker 2: doors open officially at four pm Eastern, whatever the hell
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  Speaker 2: it is, twelve twelve or fours on Wednesday, the ninth
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  Speaker 2: eleventh hell of day is it's it's it's the eleventh.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's anti climactic. It's like, okay, who cares, there's
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  Speaker 2: nobody left, you know. Yeah, although you can get some sleepers,
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  Speaker 2: there's always sleepers. And boy, I'll tell you what. As
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  Speaker 2: we set this up, we could people could say how
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  Speaker 2: bad free agency is, but it's it's actually very deep
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  Speaker 2: at edge. Now, quality is certainly a key with this,
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  Speaker 2: but there's some there's depth to it. There are a
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  Speaker 2: lot of there, like the mid level free agent, that's
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  Speaker 2: what this group is. But there are a lot of.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, you can win super Bowls with those kinds of signings.
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  Speaker 1: Chris Long, Chris Long was a mid level free agent.
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  Speaker 1: He's still had gas left in the tank. It was, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're right if you hit the right guy who jibes
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  Speaker 1: with what you do and is a even if he's
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  Speaker 1: a situational pass rusher and he gives you twenty STAPs
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  Speaker 1: per game. But they were they work, that's great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're guys who were gonna want to
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  Speaker 2: get paid. Chasing the former first round pick of the
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  Speaker 2: Jaguars who played for the Patriots. He signed a one
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  Speaker 2: year deal, I think for four million. This season he's
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  Speaker 2: been on wreck and saying, look, he wants to get paid.
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  Speaker 2: I don't blame him. Guy's good football player. He's kind
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  Speaker 2: of come on here, got his chance. They needed him
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  Speaker 2: certainly help them get to the Super Bowl. So I
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  Speaker 2: just look at this list. I mean, it's this is
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  Speaker 2: this is really deep. There's some Arnold A. Biquetti's out there,
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  Speaker 2: Mafe boy Mafe who see all consider trading at the
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  Speaker 2: trade headline. They not doing that. They're guys who've as
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  Speaker 2: we always say, there's a reason why guys get out
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  Speaker 2: there quit he pay sort of a disappointing former first
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  Speaker 2: round pick had some production, not clearly, clearly not what
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  Speaker 2: Chris Ballard thought. He was specking more out of them.
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  Speaker 2: Not a fowler's out there. Kyle van Ney, Joey Bosa,
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  Speaker 2: Hassan Reddick. I mean, you look at this list, man,
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  Speaker 2: if you need a third or fourth edge rusher, you've
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  Speaker 2: got your pick of them. There's the good thing is
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  Speaker 2: if you want depth, you have leverage. Like it's a
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  Speaker 2: buyer's market. But if you're Hendrick Center, Jalen Phillips, it's
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  Speaker 2: a seller's market. It's the players market like that's why
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  Speaker 2: if again if Phillips is not, if they don't get
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  Speaker 2: this done by buy money at once, the door's open
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  Speaker 2: for the when you could start talking to other teams.
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  Speaker 2: Not that these agents will wait, but you know how
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  Speaker 2: it works, and the agent is going to know what
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  Speaker 2: his market is. That that's what the combine is about.
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  Speaker 2: They want to know who's interested. Clubs. Typically, I love
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  Speaker 2: this conversation with general managers, guys who like to play
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  Speaker 2: it by the book they'll go, hey, we'll be in
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  Speaker 2: touch when they're allowed to. They let them know, wink wink,
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  Speaker 2: no not hey, you know they will be in touch.
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  Speaker 2: Then there's sometimes where the Byron Jones race for him
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  Speaker 2: that when it was a twenty twenty maybe is that
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  Speaker 2: sound right around the man?
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  Speaker 1: What does?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? It was. I mean they they let his representatives
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  Speaker 2: know immediately, Hey we want in what do we gotta do?
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  Speaker 2: Kind of thing? Right?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think Hendrickson anything you've heard or just knowing?
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  Speaker 1: I mean he's played for two teams and they both
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  Speaker 1: I believe have run four threes? Is he is he
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  Speaker 1: a scheme dependent and it can only be a four
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  Speaker 1: to three?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean he could. He could play standing up,
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  Speaker 2: but he's.
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  Speaker 1: He's handling the dirt.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a hand of the dirt player. And uh,
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  Speaker 2: it's a situation where you you have to a guy
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  Speaker 2: like this gets out there. If I if I'm a
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  Speaker 2: team that's trying to win a Super Bowl, I'm all in.
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  Speaker 2: I know he had I know he had some injuries
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  Speaker 2: last season. He's been mostly healthy in his career, pretty durable.
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  Speaker 2: He just and for anyone to say was that he
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  Speaker 2: was just trying to milk injury. Total nonsense. He was not.
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  Speaker 2: He had he wound up having procedures, so he had
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  Speaker 2: the hip and the groin issue. So yeah, it's it's
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  Speaker 2: unfortunate and for all what he's been through being severely underpaid,
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  Speaker 2: this is his last bite at the apple. Yep. If
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  Speaker 2: I believe he still has Harold Lewis as his agent,
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  Speaker 2: I'd be going for a big time you know. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean if you're if you're a team that's like
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  Speaker 1: you just mentioned, if you're a playoff content and you're
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  Speaker 1: fortunate enough to have like a quarterback on a rookie deal,
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  Speaker 1: Like let's say you're the Bears and you need edge
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  Speaker 1: help dat. You got to show that money out right now.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta do it.
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  Speaker 2: You just got to go for it. Yeah, this is
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  Speaker 2: a guy could put it over the top. Yep. High
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  Speaker 2: class guy. Been a great story development and I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what else he's got to prove here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I thirty five sacks in the two prior years,
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  Speaker 1: seventeen and a half sacks two straight years. That is incredible,
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  Speaker 1: incredible production. He also's got a fourteen sack year, a
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  Speaker 1: thirteen and a half sacked year. He's a really good player.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't have his numbers in front. That's insane.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean before last year, Like you said,
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  Speaker 1: he was hurt last year, although he projected out to
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  Speaker 1: have at least nine or ten, but you know, before
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  Speaker 1: last year he was His lowest was eight in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty two. But everything in the last five years thirteen
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  Speaker 1: and a half, fourteen, seventeen and a half, seventeen and
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  Speaker 1: a half. That's that's pretty damn good.
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  Speaker 2: Right, that's your sacks. I don't know what the pressure
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  Speaker 2: rate was, that's your sacks.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure that Yeah, And that's just you're right,
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  Speaker 1: that's just sacks. I'm sure the pressure rate was even better. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So you got him and Phillips, would you say, are
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  Speaker 1: and I mean I think Chase on will be sort
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  Speaker 1: of a cup of tea type thing for certain teams
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  Speaker 1: and certain schemes. But he certainly had a really good
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  Speaker 1: reclamation time with the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a guy that beauty's gonna be eye of
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  Speaker 2: the beholder. He's more of a thirty four stand up
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  Speaker 2: bed rusher m hm, odd man front kind of guy.
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  Speaker 2: He'll he'll get some love. Son. Raddick was unfortunately hurt.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he was so durable for the Panthers, the
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  Speaker 2: Cardinals and the Eagles, and then just last season with
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  Speaker 2: the Bucks and a little bit with the Jets. He
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  Speaker 2: just has not been able to be healthy. Boy, Mafe
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  Speaker 2: is that guy like he should do very well, very
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  Speaker 2: well in free agency.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he's a and he's a he can stand
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  Speaker 1: he can't he does stand up. I mean, if you're
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  Speaker 1: the Ravens, the Ravens have been looking for some edge rushers. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Steelers always like to get edge rushers. Yeah, there are
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  Speaker 1: some good names here, man, I mean, even gosh, even
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  Speaker 1: Kyle van neuy Adam has been amazing guy for a
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  Speaker 1: long time.
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  Speaker 2: He is such a good player. He's he's what I
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  Speaker 2: call the almost Hall of Fame. He probably will not
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  Speaker 2: be a Pro Football of Famer someday, but just a
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  Speaker 2: really good player, like very productive no matter what system
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  Speaker 2: he plays in. He's a stand up edge rusher. My
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  Speaker 2: character guy uh Dante Fowler is out there, Arnold Abacketty,
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  Speaker 2: Who's who's more of a third edge? Remember we were
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  Speaker 2: saying earlier, this is this is what you're looking at.
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  Speaker 2: Arden Keeg. He keeps moving on from team to team
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  Speaker 2: to team.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Dj Wanham is a nice player. Played a lot for
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  Speaker 2: the Panthers, had a couple of injuries early in his
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  Speaker 2: career with them. He's with the Vikings before that. Malcolm
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  Speaker 2: Koons two years ago, I believe didn't play because of
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  Speaker 2: injury and he's a nice player, a good source of
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  Speaker 2: development for them. Abukam, you might remember from the Rams
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  Speaker 2: and the Colts, a j Apanessa is a power and
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  Speaker 2: more of a edge rusher, I mean a power rusher
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  Speaker 2: run stopper. Draymond Jones is a guy we've talked about
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  Speaker 2: a lot on the show over the last three or
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  Speaker 2: four years. You know what is he is? He as
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  Speaker 2: stand up bad rushers. He a detack goal He's playing
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  Speaker 2: a variety of schames. He's signed that big free agency
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  Speaker 2: with Seattle and never they could not forget how to
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  Speaker 2: use him. But he's out there. So yeah, it's mostly
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  Speaker 2: a buyer's market. If you need a number two, three
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  Speaker 2: or four edge rusher. Mike Dana who got cut by
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  Speaker 2: the Chiefs, Leonard Floyd and Dafayolway, but the list goes
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  Speaker 2: on and on. If you want to if you want
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  Speaker 2: an edge rusher, you could find one. But the super
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  Speaker 2: high end ones that's not in this free agency other
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  Speaker 2: than Trey Hendrickson.
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  Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, yeah, I agree because I think I feel
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  Speaker 1: like Phillips his injury history and the fact that I
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  Speaker 1: think he only had a few sacks. I mean, it's again,
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  Speaker 1: it's not all about sacks. He was a certainly his
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  Speaker 1: pressure rate with the Eagles is very good. But at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, if a guy has sixteen sacks,
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  Speaker 1: you love that guy. So, I mean, the point is,
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  Speaker 1: I think Hendrickson is the only one who's been an
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  Speaker 1: All Pro out of this and Phillips would probably fall
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  Speaker 1: right underneath. He's another little Nutch below.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, with Phillips, it's okay having him for a
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  Speaker 2: full season with Vic fangerw who he played for in Miami,
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  Speaker 2: he knows the system. That's the key about free agency
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  Speaker 2: is if you're going to bring somebody in, you'd like
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  Speaker 2: them to be a fit for the system. Well, he's
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  Speaker 2: a perfect fit because he's not played it for two
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  Speaker 2: different teams at the same coach. But yeah, he's probably
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  Speaker 2: anywhere from an eight to twelve SAC guy if he
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  Speaker 2: plays a full season, and he, by the way, he
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  Speaker 2: was very healthy last season. This is what you love
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  Speaker 2: is he's got the NFL body, He's got everything that
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  Speaker 2: you want. Hot, super high character, guy, wants to be
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  Speaker 2: an Eagle. Eagles love having him. Eagles have made it
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  Speaker 2: an absolute priorities coming out of the combine. That was
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  Speaker 2: one of the things. Not that how he hit it.
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  Speaker 2: You know when he was talking to the media that
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  Speaker 2: they have interested in bringing him back. But from what
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  Speaker 2: we've heard, absolutely is. And again he didn't miss any games.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I know he played seventeen. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if it was. You might have pointed this out.
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  Speaker 2: Was it eighteen games he was available for yes or something?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, playing in the resting Starters game.
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  Speaker 2: That's it, right, right, right, right? So I think he
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  Speaker 2: played right, So he was healthy. Good for him. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: So he's young enough, he's got he's got the body,
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  Speaker 2: like you go, this is what aner should look like.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: But again, is he he's He's not in the Hendrickson
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  Speaker 2: He's not even close to Trey Hendrickson. He's just not.
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  Speaker 2: No one is really no, that's true. But he he
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: the second rung guys, real quick, here the second rung
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  Speaker 2: and Cam Jordan, by the way, who's knew the end
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  Speaker 2: of his great career. For those of you who old
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: enough you remember, might remember his dad, Steve Jordan, the
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  Speaker 2: tight end for the Vikings in the eighties, in the seventies,
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  Speaker 2: but the and Clion Max out there. But the second
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  Speaker 2: tier guys led by Phillips clil Mack could still do it,
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  Speaker 2: could still play. Mafe would be a second tier guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And then it's kind of like what system that they're
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  Speaker 2: they're they're they're like twenty five guys after this, they're
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  Speaker 2: just they're all sort of Leonard Floyd's out there. Another
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  Speaker 2: guy keeps getting deals, productive player, the guy we've talked about,
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  Speaker 2: Greg Cochlas. Remember al Kadin Mohammad. Why does he keep
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  Speaker 2: moving on? You know, one of those guys Like so,
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  Speaker 2: these are the what we call the second tier free
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  Speaker 2: agents who probably won't sign week one. In weeks two
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  Speaker 2: and three, you can get a bargain now getting back
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  Speaker 2: to the Eagles, even if they get Phillips back. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so they'll have Nolan Smith. They need another guy, but
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  Speaker 2: that guy could come in free agency or the draft.
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  Speaker 2: You could wait a while. You don't need and and honestly,
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  Speaker 2: Victa only likes to play three guys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say, Swarts, I would
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  Speaker 1: be looking at some of these guys. But it's Vic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that. You know, it's good that. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: how he knows this because he works with him. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's like you got to have a fourth, but the
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  Speaker 2: fourth guy probably won't play very much, which is honestly,
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  Speaker 2: if BG wants to play, just wait till August and
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: sign him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a good point, by the way, Great
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  Speaker 1: van Neustat, you ready for this. The first five years
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  Speaker 1: he's played in the league twelve years now, first five
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  Speaker 1: years he spent the first three with Detroit, then two
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  Speaker 1: in New England. Right, he spent more than that New England.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm saying first five years from twenty fourteen twenty eighteen,
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  Speaker 1: he had twelve sacks total. In twenty twenty four at
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  Speaker 1: age thirty three with the Ravens, he had twelve and
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  Speaker 1: a half sacks.
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  Speaker 2: That Year's how does that happen? That that like doesn't
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  Speaker 2: happen because he's been he's a kind of an a
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  Speaker 2: TANTR guy. Good leadership, yep, very disciplined, fairly durable. It's
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  Speaker 2: just you don't expect that. And again, he's not a
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  Speaker 2: Hall of Famer, but he's in. That's he's just a
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  Speaker 2: quality player. He's compiled vity.
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: What's that If you were a baseball player, we would
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: call him a compiler where you just you never have
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: the great staff, but you stick around long enough and
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  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you finish and you got
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  Speaker 1: this many hurries and this many sacks.
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  Speaker 2: And he's just this really smart player that that he
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: had a crazy breakout season thirty three years old, which
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  Speaker 2: is not supposed to happen with edge rushers. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if I've ever seen this before, to be honest
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  Speaker 2: with you, but no, it's so so again to move
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  Speaker 2: this along and finish shop Like if your team, I
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: know they're not all Eagles fans watching or listening, If
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  Speaker 2: your team needs an edge rusher, a number two or
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: three or four, you can wait. Man. Yeah, Clowny's out there.
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  Speaker 2: Jacob Martin, who came out of nowhere because he had
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: to play played six yep. Sam Williams deter Kui's unfortunes
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: coming from a major injury. Michael Clems was a power
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  Speaker 2: end for the Jets. A Joe Tryon, Shoyanco who never
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  Speaker 2: quite need it as a first round pick, wasn't quite
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: what the Bucks thought he should have been. Not a
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  Speaker 2: bad player. Joe Asie, who I've always liked sort of
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: a sleeper, should be a backup Marcus Davenport. Will Brad
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: Holmes finally give it up and say, Okay, this guy
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: can't stay healthy. I got this guy wrong. Brad Holmes
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  Speaker 2: pretty good GM, but he's had this thing where if
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: he just thinks this guy's eventually going to get it
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  Speaker 2: done and he is not.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, Brad Holmes might just have been that.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: He might have just elevated a status as the greatest
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: GM in the history of the game. He's changed David
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: Montgomery for two draft picks and the player. So the
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: Houston I don't know what the Texas are thinking. I'm
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: sure that there's something that I'm missing there.
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  Speaker 2: But well, I mean they need to start running back.
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  Speaker 2: Montgomery will be the leader, will be the lead back,
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  Speaker 2: and what he marks will be the complimentary back.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, come on, two picks and the I mean
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: two picks and a player, an offensive lineman. Nonetheless, Scruggs.
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  Speaker 2: Scruggs never made it, man, He's just at a Penn
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: State is probably overdrafted. But yeah, so yeah, again to
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: wrap this up, it is super deep. There are a
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: lot of good players here mostly if you really look
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: at it, Hendrickson is just in a situation where with
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: the organization that is cheap historically, So it's one of
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: those rare players. Now, we'll see if the Bengals have
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: shown some interest in bringing them back. We'll see if
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: they let him walk. If they don't make a push,
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: there should be a race to get this guy. He's
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: just I mean what I know. I know sometimes you
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: get concerned with guys when they get into their thirties
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: they start getting hurt. But that's not really been him.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: He hasn't a big injury history.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Right right, hmm, that's true. That's interesting. I just you know,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: you once you get to that age though, and then
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: you have an injury, people start to look and you
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: wonder if you're wearing down, you.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: Know, I know, And he turns he does turn thirty
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: two in December, but yeah, he's basically thirty one season.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: He's just I'm fascinating to see where he goes here.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this this market could change, well not it's not
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: that the market could change but obviously the Max Crosby
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: factor is kind of out there as to whether or
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: not move him.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Boy, they really acting like they don't want to trade him.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: But you know what, here's the thing. And I know
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Crosby has told people over the years that he doesn't
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: want to be part of a rebuild, right and he
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: hasn't asked to be traded technically we know of. But
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: if you can get two first round picks, oh yeah,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: come on, you got the spy Tech's got to move
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: this guy.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you get that, I would agree.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: He's a great, amazing story he is through personally, it's
• 17:11
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• 17:14
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• 17:19
  Speaker 2: found him and they were so proud of being able
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: to get him. And he's still doing it. Man, he's
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: just less few seasons. He's been hurt a lot.
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• 20:11
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• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and once they once they announced it, then we'll
• 20:25
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• 20:27
  Speaker 2: We went over the big ones. Yeah, Jid Johnson's coming
• 20:30
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• 20:36
  Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: But uh, and they've always liked him. But yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll,
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• 20:42
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• 20:46
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• 21:04
  Speaker 2: like the top third, if not higher, of coaches pay
• 21:09
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• 21:11
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• 21:17
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• 21:19
  Speaker 2: good players. That's all. Yeah, that's all they that they want,
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• 21:30
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• 21:33
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• 21:36
  Speaker 2: he is. Now that the cash bend, as we talked
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: about last year we turned out to be right about that,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: was going to be significantly down. This is before for
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: agency started, which we put them at Money Morning Show. Guys.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: We hate to tell you this, but it's it's going
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: to be down and we're expecting something similar though a
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: little bit more money. I was joking with someone last
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: week if Jalen Phillips gets his deal, his first year
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: cashal probably more than they all spent for agency last season.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Well wait, they did give Jurgens that extension, right, So.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: But I'm talking about player a free agency.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right correct, Oh
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: my god, Yeah, Phillips, he will automatically get more than
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: the last year.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: What did they have? I think they had eleven one
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: year deals.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, with like you know, six hundred thousand, eight hundred
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: thousand guarantee you put it together, it might not have
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: been four million dollars.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Uhli got I forgot about that four million. Yeah. Unfortunately
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: didn't work out, but uh yeah, yeah.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: We've seen tens of millions before. That was just like
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: completely it was crazy.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I mean it was it was actually less than I
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: thought they would do. I've not seen this before in
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: this market, but it is what it is.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: That is correct, all right. So that's a look at
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: the free agent edge rushers. And we'll continue throughout the
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: week going through different positions on defense as we complete
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