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- 0:04Speaker 1: When Theodore Owner Larry Austin meets James Van Sikel, he
- 0:07Speaker 1: thinks he's found the man of his dreams.
- 0:11Speaker 2: Clary thought he was just a gift of the gods,
- 0:15Speaker 2: you know.
- 0:17Speaker 1: Unfortunately, not every Hollywood tale has a happy ending.
- 0:21Speaker 3: At a certain point, it was clear that relations between
- 0:26Speaker 3: the two became strained.
- 0:30Speaker 1: This is the true story of a volatile friendship between
- 0:33Speaker 1: a hustler he.
- 0:35Speaker 4: Had to deceive these people into believing that he actually
- 0:38Speaker 4: cared for.
- 0:38Speaker 1: Them, and a man living out his fantasies.
- 0:42Speaker 2: The last thing he said to me is God will
- 0:44Speaker 2: protect me.
- 0:52Speaker 1: My name is Steve Shirripa. I grew up in a
- 0:54Speaker 1: pretty rough neighborhood in Brooklyn, New York. I've seen good
- 0:58Speaker 1: people turn bad and bad people turn worse. Some took
- 1:04Speaker 1: contracts to carry out a hit. Some were victims of
- 1:07Speaker 1: a hit. To hit man, life and death is just
- 1:11Speaker 1: part of the business. It's nothing personal. Hollywood nineteen ninety
- 1:27Speaker 1: seven hitman Christian Rodriguez is dressed like a villain from
- 1:33Speaker 1: an old time movie, and Lawrence Austin, an old man
- 1:40Speaker 1: who loves those timeless classics, is about to die. His
- 1:47Speaker 1: murder has been arranged by the young man he loves
- 1:50Speaker 1: James Van Sickle. The story of Larry Austin and James
- 1:57Speaker 1: Van Sickle is a tale of two dreamers, Hollywood love
- 2:00Speaker 1: story and a cautionary tale. You see, you never know
- 2:03Speaker 1: what a person's fantasy really is until they decide you're it.
- 2:07Speaker 1: Larry longs for a beautiful young lover, but James has
- 2:11Speaker 1: dreams of his own. Both did dreams come true. So
- 2:17Speaker 1: why is this story a tragedy? Thank you for coming
- 2:20Speaker 1: to enjoy the show. Larry owns the Silent Movie Theater,
- 2:27Speaker 1: a local landmark devoted to keeping Hollywood's history alive.
- 2:35Speaker 5: Larry Austin liked being very unique. Who else was doing
- 2:39Speaker 5: silent films. He just loved the attention he had. Many
- 2:43Speaker 5: people would show up and to sit in the theater
- 2:45Speaker 5: that were major stars of today, and he just loved.
- 2:49Speaker 1: That inside his theater he's a living connection to those
- 2:55Speaker 1: glorious days.
- 2:57Speaker 6: We would have this routine at the beginning of each
- 3:00Speaker 6: evening that he would come down the aisle while I
- 3:04Speaker 6: played pomp and circumstance.
- 3:07Speaker 3: He was full of pomp and circumstance, but on the
- 3:11Speaker 3: other hand, it reflected that he thought he was presenting
- 3:13Speaker 3: something important, and he was.
- 3:18Speaker 7: He was.
- 3:20Speaker 5: Welcome everyone to the world's only silent movie theater. Larry
- 3:25Speaker 5: Austin loved being a showman. He loved going in front
- 3:27Speaker 5: of the audience and just talking and introducing the film.
- 3:32Speaker 5: He told me that his family was involved.
- 3:34Speaker 7: With early Hollywood.
- 3:35Speaker 5: He said his father was a character actor and his
- 3:38Speaker 5: mother was the head seamstress for Cecil b.
- 3:40Speaker 7: Demel I thought, wow.
- 3:44Speaker 1: Austin loves Hollywood traditions like making up your own backstory.
- 3:49Speaker 1: Austin says his dad was silent movie actor William Austin
- 3:53Speaker 1: not so and his mom, well, she never saw the
- 3:56Speaker 1: stitch for Cecil be anyone. But in Hollywood, it's all
- 4:00Speaker 1: in the presentation, act, the part, and it's yours to night,
- 4:04Speaker 1: We're gonna show Sunrise. There's only one missing piece, his
- 4:09Speaker 1: very own leading man. One night he appears Larry's nighthawk
- 4:15Speaker 1: and shining Almah, James Van Sickle.
- 4:22Speaker 5: Larry Austin first met James through a mutual friend. When
- 4:27Speaker 5: Larry asked for help to paint the theater. He brought
- 4:32Speaker 5: James along.
- 4:33Speaker 3: Here is this great, big guy who probably was Stanley's
- 4:38Speaker 3: stunning when he went to the gym every day broad shawlers.
- 4:42Speaker 3: I'm big arms, handsome face, all American boy, but large
- 4:47Speaker 3: economy size.
- 4:49Speaker 2: You know, James.
- 4:51Speaker 5: Reminded me of a country boy, you know, a farm boy.
- 4:58Speaker 5: He was always smiling and had given everyone the once over.
- 5:03Speaker 7: He was such a flirt.
- 5:04Speaker 5: He was a flirt with apparently everybody.
- 5:09Speaker 1: James Vincico might not be everybody's idea of a dream boat,
- 5:13Speaker 1: but he is Larry's.
- 5:16Speaker 5: Larry told me he looked at him, said Wow, he'd
- 5:19Speaker 5: like to have him.
- 5:20Speaker 7: He's such a hunk.
- 5:22Speaker 1: What else can There may be some guys whose heads
- 5:28Speaker 1: are returned by a beautiful creature who is forty years younger.
- 5:32Speaker 1: Larry Austin is not one of them. Larry's a lonely
- 5:35Speaker 1: sixty seven year old man. James is a twenty seven
- 5:38Speaker 1: year old ex cord hustler looking for a sugar daddy.
- 5:42Speaker 1: Cupid draw back your boat sort of like that, like.
- 5:48Speaker 3: Your part in way is touching, because at this stage
- 5:53Speaker 3: James would have had a hard time making it as
- 5:57Speaker 3: a hustler because he was too out of shape.
- 5:59Speaker 8: You know.
- 6:01Speaker 3: It took somebody with the loneliness and the passion and
- 6:05Speaker 3: the imagination to still see him as Hercules let's.
- 6:09Speaker 1: Say Larry Austin's dreams are coming true with his new
- 6:16Speaker 1: boy toy. It looks like he really has it all.
- 6:21Speaker 1: His first passion the silent movie theater doesn't make Larry
- 6:25Speaker 1: a fortune, but he loves the work.
- 6:30Speaker 9: He'd had hundreds of old silent movie reels. Some of
- 6:36Speaker 9: them were original, one of a kind on the old seloid.
- 6:44Speaker 3: It's a very beautiful art form that you have to
- 6:47Speaker 3: express this and that with your hands, your eyes, gestures.
- 6:53Speaker 3: Some things are much more powerful if they're revealed by
- 6:59Speaker 3: an image than a word.
- 7:04Speaker 5: Larry Austin had the great joy of acquiring a library
- 7:08Speaker 5: building that library up building, building building, and he loved
- 7:13Speaker 5: finding the rarest titles he could find and showing him
- 7:16Speaker 5: to the audience.
- 7:17Speaker 7: He just loved that.
- 7:21Speaker 5: Larry Austin's first touch into showing silent films to an
- 7:26Speaker 5: audience was at the Mormon Church and he just enjoyed
- 7:29Speaker 5: it so much.
- 7:37Speaker 1: At the beginning. James Van Sikel is just what a
- 7:40Speaker 1: krumbling old theater needs.
- 7:44Speaker 5: He could do things that Larry could not do. Larry
- 7:46Speaker 5: did not like to get his hands dirty. James was
- 7:50Speaker 5: great to handle things that needed to be taken care of.
- 7:52Speaker 1: Him wonderful. What could be better than a helpful unk.
- 7:58Speaker 3: I mean, it was a strong sexual attract and Larry
- 8:01Speaker 3: thought he was just a gift of the gods.
- 8:04Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't take Larry long to decide James
- 8:16Speaker 1: would be great around the house too.
- 8:21Speaker 5: It was just a relationship of of of lust.
- 8:29Speaker 3: Here is a much younger guy who had done some
- 8:33Speaker 3: hustling and had latched on to this much older man
- 8:37Speaker 3: who had fallen hard for him. And it's a classic
- 8:42Speaker 3: recipe for big trouble.
- 8:46Speaker 1: Larry has no idea who he's lord into his bedroom.
- 8:50Speaker 1: His young lover is fresh out of the pen six
- 8:53Speaker 1: years for beating an older gay lover half to death.
- 8:58Speaker 9: This was another gentleman, very similar to Lawrence Austen, wealthy.
- 9:06Speaker 1: Gay.
- 9:07Speaker 9: He took James in and bought him everything you know
- 9:13Speaker 9: that he had wont treated him very well. One day,
- 9:17Speaker 9: James got angry at something that this victim had said
- 9:22Speaker 9: and went into his room and hit him in the
- 9:25Speaker 9: head with a hammer.
- 9:27Speaker 4: He put out at some levels sexually to these guys
- 9:30Speaker 4: to satisfy them and to draw them into a relationship
- 9:34Speaker 4: with him, and apparently succeeded quite well. And yet at
- 9:37Speaker 4: the same time, he entertained a secret hatred.
- 9:43Speaker 2: Freshen up okay.
- 9:45Speaker 1: In his first ever interview, James reveals what he really
- 9:49Speaker 1: thinks about old gay men who put the moves on
- 9:52Speaker 1: young guys.
- 9:56Speaker 10: Well, I think they're all scum okay this earth. And
- 10:00Speaker 10: I would try to win their trust, all right to
- 10:03Speaker 10: a certain extent, to where I could get within their residence,
- 10:08Speaker 10: get them alone, to where I could do what I
- 10:11Speaker 10: felt I needed to do to them in order to
- 10:15Speaker 10: punish them for now.
- 10:26Speaker 1: Larry's ignorance is bliss.
- 10:31Speaker 5: Larry loved to do for James, as May West would say,
- 10:34Speaker 5: you know, doing for him. He just idolized him and
- 10:38Speaker 5: whatever he could possibly do, you know, buying types.
- 10:41Speaker 7: Of foods that he liked.
- 10:43Speaker 5: He was always thinking of something to get James, and
- 10:47Speaker 5: I thought, oh boy, you know he's in love. James
- 10:53Speaker 5: in the relationship with Larry was very dominant. Larry liked
- 10:58Speaker 5: that he liked someone strong around him.
- 11:01Speaker 4: People like Austin want to have people like James sort
- 11:05Speaker 4: of dominate them sexually. James had to provide that level
- 11:10Speaker 4: of sexual service to keep a guy like Austin on
- 11:12Speaker 4: the hook.
- 11:14Speaker 1: Is James isn't to Larry as much as Larry lust
- 11:17Speaker 1: for James, not really. James doesn't see is Obama with
- 11:21Speaker 1: Larry has a relationship. It's a job. He acts like
- 11:25Speaker 1: a loving partner and in exchange he gets a nice
- 11:28Speaker 1: lifestyle and some cash in his pocket. Here's a word
- 11:31Speaker 1: for what James is doing. So hustling is the politest one.
- 11:38Speaker 1: James is good at it. How good well Larry will
- 11:41Speaker 1: never know. But James isn't even gay.
- 11:46Speaker 4: When I would ask him did he enjoy this? It
- 11:49Speaker 4: was clear he did not. He comes across to me
- 11:52Speaker 4: as a straight guy. He professes personally to be offended
- 11:55Speaker 4: at gayness, and yet he engages in it. It's almost
- 12:00Speaker 4: like he's outside of the relationship. He sees the relationship,
- 12:05Speaker 4: but he's personally removing himself at a distance from it.
- 12:10Speaker 4: He's not accepting. Him and Austin were partners, for example,
- 12:13Speaker 4: sexually or personally. But when you get closer and say,
- 12:17Speaker 4: you know, what about how did you hug?
- 12:20Speaker 1: Did you love?
- 12:21Speaker 4: I mean there's a rejection by James to me of
- 12:25Speaker 4: all that. It's I'm just like you.
- 12:28Speaker 10: I'm a studley guy.
- 12:32Speaker 1: James Van Sickle is not at all whom he appears
- 12:34Speaker 1: to be. Larry Austin's been making pillow talk with a
- 12:39Speaker 1: time bomb. Friday, January seventeenth, nineteen ninety seven, Hollywood Silent
- 12:50Speaker 1: Movie Theater is playing Sunrise, a romantic drama built around
- 12:56Speaker 1: a murderous plot. Hitman Chris Rodriguez is at the theater
- 13:03Speaker 1: to turn a real love story into a real murder.
- 13:11Speaker 1: It's not how a romance is supposed to end with
- 13:14Speaker 1: a hired killer. Rewind seven years and Larry really believes
- 13:24Speaker 1: his boy toy loves and admires him. He thinks James
- 13:30Speaker 1: shares his passion for old movies. It's an act.
- 13:36Speaker 7: He had no interest in film whatsoever.
- 13:40Speaker 9: He pretended like he liked the silent movies, and he
- 13:43Speaker 9: liked he had a love for the film, and he
- 13:47Speaker 9: played to mister Austin's fast ego. He liked to think
- 13:52Speaker 9: that he knew everything about silent movies and even some
- 13:57Speaker 9: of the stars. He said he had met some of
- 13:59Speaker 9: the stars Pickford and I think Buster Keaton and some
- 14:03Speaker 9: of the other silent movie people. He liked to think
- 14:07Speaker 9: of himself as of a connoisseur.
- 14:18Speaker 1: Stroking egos is child's play for any hustler. What's hard
- 14:21Speaker 1: for James is taking orders. He's working at the theater,
- 14:26Speaker 1: and Larry's the boss. James. We have some problems.
- 14:33Speaker 5: When James was working in the theater, Larry was in charge.
- 14:36Speaker 7: I mean it was his show place.
- 14:39Speaker 5: Everything went by Larry.
- 14:43Speaker 1: Larry's not so good on the labor relations front. For
- 14:47Speaker 1: one thing, he doesn't pay James, treats him like a kid,
- 14:50Speaker 1: gives them spending money in presents. Larry expects James to
- 14:54Speaker 1: be happy with this arrangement, to love him for his
- 14:57Speaker 1: firm but kindly ways. Yeah, well, he's in dream land.
- 15:01Speaker 1: If he woke up, he might see the writing on
- 15:03Speaker 1: the wall.
- 15:06Speaker 9: Austin was a control freak, and he liked to keep
- 15:10Speaker 9: Vansickle controlled. He would give him just enough money to
- 15:13Speaker 9: exist on, but never enough to really do anything.
- 15:17Speaker 1: Well, if you're starting to think Larry's got blind is on,
- 15:23Speaker 1: you're dead right. He thinks all James needs is some
- 15:27Speaker 1: firm guidance. There's a big problem with treating James van
- 15:35Speaker 1: Sickel like a kid. I mean, he's the last person
- 15:38Speaker 1: on earth you want to remind of his childhood. He
- 15:40Speaker 1: started out in Nebraska, a great place unless you're poor,
- 15:44Speaker 1: and not even your family wants you. You see, James
- 15:47Speaker 1: isn't living his dream, not even close. He's running from
- 15:51Speaker 1: his nightmare.
- 16:00Speaker 4: James grew up in a troubled household Shelby say his
- 16:05Speaker 4: earliest memories are of severe beatings and mistreatment. He was
- 16:11Speaker 4: made to feel ultimately like he was undesired.
- 16:17Speaker 1: When his mom and dad split up and mom remarries,
- 16:20Speaker 1: life gets way worse. His new stepfather has his own kids,
- 16:25Speaker 1: and the blended family is toxic. James tells us what
- 16:30Speaker 1: that was like.
- 16:32Speaker 10: My early childhood was very, very difficult. We were, you know,
- 16:39Speaker 10: extremely poor people, and so there was a little bit
- 16:43Speaker 10: of civilian disparity.
- 16:49Speaker 1: Someone has to go, and it's James.
- 16:53Speaker 10: It was a heart wrenching moment. I remember everybody was
- 16:56Speaker 10: crying and I was shaking like leaves. He terrified me,
- 17:00Speaker 10: and I was begging not to go.
- 17:04Speaker 11: I blamed myself for letting him go. I shouldn't have
- 17:09Speaker 11: let him go.
- 17:11Speaker 1: James is handed off to a Christian home for kids
- 17:14Speaker 1: whose parents don't want or can't afford them. But the
- 17:17Speaker 1: kids there don't learn to fear God nearly as much
- 17:21Speaker 1: as they live in terror of the people who worked there.
- 17:24Speaker 11: We thought they were such good people, and these people
- 17:28Speaker 11: were molested.
- 17:28Speaker 12: In my son.
- 17:31Speaker 10: There was sick perversions that went on. Okay, it first
- 17:36Speaker 10: began with the oral population. It wasn't killed. My thirteenth
- 17:42Speaker 10: year was when he started going in a different direction.
- 17:47Speaker 10: This guy was a monster and there was no way
- 17:50Speaker 10: you could escape them.
- 17:52Speaker 11: In my age, these people were supposed to be Christian people.
- 17:58Speaker 12: And they weren't. You don't do this to children.
- 18:04Speaker 1: James is ten when he's putting the children's home. He's
- 18:07Speaker 1: fifteen when he gets out. Now, those are importing years
- 18:11Speaker 1: for a kid and for all of them. He is
- 18:13Speaker 1: a sexual plaything for one of the authority figures there.
- 18:17Speaker 1: So when other kids are learning the three hours, James
- 18:21Speaker 1: is learning that if you satisfy someone's lust, they treat
- 18:24Speaker 1: you better, and all you lose is your innocence and
- 18:29Speaker 1: your dignity.
- 18:33Speaker 12: He was out of control. He was wild.
- 18:35Speaker 11: He was just I mean, just like something would trip
- 18:38Speaker 11: his mind and he would lose it.
- 18:42Speaker 1: As soon as he's old enough, Van Sickle joins the Marines.
- 18:47Speaker 1: He's angry and unstable.
- 18:50Speaker 11: He said in the Marines that there was people that
- 18:54Speaker 11: were the same as his molester.
- 19:00Speaker 1: He soon discharged and ends up on the streets of
- 19:04Speaker 1: La The only real skillies got is what have he
- 19:08Speaker 1: learned in that children's home? You can trade your body
- 19:12Speaker 1: for a meal and a warm bed. James Van Sikel
- 19:17Speaker 1: becomes a hustler.
- 19:20Speaker 12: He was doing sexual favors with men.
- 19:27Speaker 1: To survive, to survive, or to take revenge. That older
- 19:35Speaker 1: gay lover he beat up wasn't the only one.
- 19:42Speaker 2: Great.
- 19:42Speaker 3: Many hustlers start out as straight, but because they are straight,
- 19:49Speaker 3: they get confused because the John is the only one
- 19:53Speaker 3: who is really showing them affection, and they can build.
- 19:58Speaker 2: Up a great deal anger and or is that and frustration?
- 20:06Speaker 1: What is a hustler really? I've known quite a few
- 20:09Speaker 1: over the years. I'll tell you this, stick up artists
- 20:12Speaker 1: whose weapon is charmed. They convince you that you want
- 20:16Speaker 1: to give them what they're The man.
- 20:20Speaker 7: James is a person just rubbed me the wrong way.
- 20:23Speaker 5: And I can tell a user right from the get go,
- 20:27Speaker 5: someone that looks like he's going to be scamming somebody,
- 20:29Speaker 5: and he just came off that way that he was
- 20:32Speaker 5: just out for himself.
- 20:33Speaker 7: And watch out.
- 20:38Speaker 1: After two years with Larry Austen, james biggest beef is
- 20:41Speaker 1: he's still not getting paid. James, what are you doing?
- 20:48Speaker 1: He solves that with direct action, just.
- 20:53Speaker 11: Getting a little pie.
- 20:56Speaker 2: At a certain point it was clear that.
- 21:01Speaker 3: Relations between the two became strained and it was over money.
- 21:09Speaker 1: Love of money the root of all evil. But James
- 21:12Speaker 1: Van Sickle isn't the only one of this odd couple
- 21:15Speaker 1: of romance with the shady past. Larry spent a couple
- 21:19Speaker 1: of years in the pen himself. Wait a second, Larry's
- 21:24Speaker 1: an X card too. As a matter of fact, he is.
- 21:27Speaker 1: It's part of his real backstory you see before he
- 21:30Speaker 1: reinvents himself as a Hollywood aristocrat. Larry Austen is an
- 21:34Speaker 1: accountant who has a habit of pocketing other people's money,
- 21:39Speaker 1: a habit that lands him two years for embezzlement. Does
- 21:43Speaker 1: Larry reform in prison or just get more clever? And
- 21:47Speaker 1: how did he come to own the Silent Movie Theater
- 21:50Speaker 1: in the first place? It was owned by a little
- 21:54Speaker 1: old lady. Somehow Larry gets her to hand over the keys.
- 22:01Speaker 5: Larry Austin, there was a shady element to him. I
- 22:04Speaker 5: think there was some stretching of the truth on a
- 22:07Speaker 5: lot of things of how he got her to sign
- 22:09Speaker 5: it over to him.
- 22:13Speaker 1: If it was a scam, he got away with it now.
- 22:17Speaker 1: He's the keeper of Hollywood's history. He's a prosperous businessman.
- 22:23Speaker 1: Larry's good at getting what he wants and keeping his
- 22:26Speaker 1: young lover happy doesn't seem too hard. Larry and James
- 22:36Speaker 1: two hustlers chasing their dreams with this one. How could
- 22:41Speaker 1: that lead to conflict? Larry gives James a cushy life
- 22:47Speaker 1: and a new truck. What more could he want? Problem?
- 22:52Speaker 1: This life comes with strings. The truck is in Larry's name.
- 23:03Speaker 1: When James cuts those ties and gets himself a real job,
- 23:07Speaker 1: he does pretty well.
- 23:08Speaker 4: He was well liked, he was making decent money. He
- 23:12Speaker 4: was well thought of as a worker.
- 23:15Speaker 1: He manages a small lighting factory. He hires a guy
- 23:18Speaker 1: named Christian Rodriguez to do the shipping. Remember Chris, we
- 23:23Speaker 1: haven't seen the last of him.
- 23:25Speaker 9: Rodriguez was a poor kid who was a little bit slow.
- 23:32Speaker 1: They were just a simple person.
- 23:35Speaker 9: He was married, he had children.
- 23:38Speaker 1: Putting lamps in boxes is a little too complicated for Chris.
- 23:43Speaker 13: He gets fired, Yeah, gore again without.
- 23:57Speaker 14: Right.
- 23:58Speaker 1: All the while, Larry's been enticing James to come back
- 24:00Speaker 1: to the theater. He finally gets his way by offering
- 24:04Speaker 1: him a share of the business and the job of projectionist.
- 24:09Speaker 1: James tries to control his temper. It can't last.
- 24:14Speaker 10: I tried for several years to maintain I would totally
- 24:19Speaker 10: destroy personal property. I mean it was like a tug
- 24:23Speaker 10: of war type of thing with me.
- 24:26Speaker 5: Larry called me and said, oh, Michael, James is acting
- 24:28Speaker 5: up again.
- 24:29Speaker 7: I said, what's wrong. He said, oh, he.
- 24:32Speaker 5: Said that he wanted money, and he said if he didn't,
- 24:34Speaker 5: he was going to break things.
- 24:39Speaker 4: Good animal, Animal.
- 24:46Speaker 1: If Larry is still thinking James is his dream come true,
- 24:50Speaker 1: He's got some issues of his own. And if he
- 24:52Speaker 1: thinks his patience is a solution to Van sickles Anger,
- 24:56Speaker 1: He's not a dreamer. He's delusional. Lie, but crossing it
- 25:02Speaker 1: can get you hurt. What begins as a normal evening
- 25:09Speaker 1: at Hollywood Silent Movie Theater is soon going to be
- 25:12Speaker 1: very unsilent thanks to the three point fifty seven that
- 25:16Speaker 1: first time hitman Christian Rodriguez has brought to the show.
- 25:23Speaker 1: In fact, Rodriguez will be the show and the audience
- 25:27Speaker 1: will never forget it. Before that faithful night. James Van
- 25:34Speaker 1: Sikel and Larry Austin are lovers who are heading in
- 25:36Speaker 1: different directions. Larry's in love. Trouble is his young lover
- 25:41Speaker 1: is scarred and damaged, and Larry is rubbing salt in
- 25:44Speaker 1: his wounds. James thought he had found himself with sugar Daddy,
- 25:50Speaker 1: but the taste has gone bitter. They've been together six
- 25:55Speaker 1: years now, a long bumpy road.
- 26:00Speaker 2: The relationship was disintegrating him.
- 26:01Speaker 3: At this point, Larry had turned him down for some
- 26:05Speaker 3: hunk of money.
- 26:07Speaker 6: I was standing outside of the theater once before the
- 26:11Speaker 6: show and he came out. He seemed to be very angry,
- 26:14Speaker 6: mad at Lawrence, and he said something to the effect that, well,
- 26:18Speaker 6: that old man better watch out because he may wind
- 26:20Speaker 6: up dead one day. James was a person that you
- 26:26Speaker 6: would definitely keep arms length at. I mean, he was friendly,
- 26:30Speaker 6: but again when you talk to him more, he revealed
- 26:34Speaker 6: a little bit of a sociopathic streak that you would say,
- 26:38Speaker 6: is he really kidding or is he serious about what
- 26:40Speaker 6: he's saying? And you would wouldn't want to get too
- 26:43Speaker 6: friendly with him.
- 26:46Speaker 1: Where I want my money? But he recruits a couple
- 26:51Speaker 1: of thugs to help him rob the theater.
- 26:57Speaker 2: Hey, come back. James really became on so languin.
- 27:00Speaker 3: He attempted to rob the theater that was really out
- 27:04Speaker 3: there and scary.
- 27:09Speaker 1: James clearly has problems with impulse control, but he isn't stupid.
- 27:14Speaker 1: He comes back contrite and with a peace offering. The
- 27:19Speaker 1: other guys made me do it, he says Larry Bison.
- 27:28Speaker 1: The big guys forced James to rob the silent movie theater.
- 27:32Speaker 1: I mean, how likely is that. You may not believe it,
- 27:35Speaker 1: but Larry does, or he pretends to. That way, the
- 27:38Speaker 1: whole conflict could get swept under the rug denial. It
- 27:43Speaker 1: can be a fatal disease.
- 27:46Speaker 5: How do you like that?
- 27:47Speaker 3: Nah, Larry really was in love with him, and he
- 27:53Speaker 3: was looking for ways to forgive him too.
- 27:55Speaker 2: I mean, it was very.
- 27:56Speaker 3: Sad and complicated and volatile, volatile, volatile.
- 28:02Speaker 7: It was definitely like a moth going to a flame.
- 28:05Speaker 5: He just couldn't stay away.
- 28:08Speaker 4: Austin found James compelling enough to keep him around, even
- 28:12Speaker 4: though he was smelling the danger. Tells you there's something
- 28:15Speaker 4: going on here at a sexual emotional level that's not
- 28:20Speaker 4: easy to unwind.
- 28:22Speaker 1: Be a star to calm the waters. Larry surprises James
- 28:28Speaker 1: at what he's always dreamt of, financial security. He writes
- 28:35Speaker 1: a will naming James as his sole heir. The theater
- 28:40Speaker 1: and phil Archive are worth a million dollars.
- 28:45Speaker 4: Austin must have felt that kind of emotional warmth towards James.
- 28:50Speaker 4: How else do you envision him wanting to give what
- 28:53Speaker 4: remained of his, you know, his financial empire to James
- 28:56Speaker 4: upon his demise.
- 29:00Speaker 1: Trouble is, to James, Larry is now worth more dead
- 29:04Speaker 1: than alive.
- 29:07Speaker 8: Obviously this was not well considered, for sure, m good
- 29:25Speaker 8: morning James.
- 29:27Speaker 1: By morning, Larry realizes he's made a bad move.
- 29:32Speaker 12: That will, I'm keeping some of your self.
- 29:37Speaker 1: Mhm, it's safe right here.
- 29:42Speaker 4: Austin's decision to put James on the will is what
- 29:46Speaker 4: probably triggered James into thinking, now I can Now I
- 29:49Speaker 4: can take advantage of this guy fully the way I.
- 29:51Speaker 1: Really want to. It might have been his death, knew.
- 29:57Speaker 4: It was the culmination of a lot of effort by
- 29:59Speaker 4: James to get there, and that success at seeing himself
- 30:05Speaker 4: now empowered financially by Austin let him begin thinking.
- 30:09Speaker 13: Now I can get rid of this guy.
- 30:18Speaker 1: For Larry Austin. When the excitement sim is down, he relaxes.
- 30:24Speaker 1: Everything's back to normal. Only Larry's normal is James's living
- 30:30Speaker 1: hell with the will in his pocket. The breaks are
- 30:37Speaker 1: off on James's rage.
- 30:43Speaker 5: Finally, one night they got into this heated, heated fight,
- 30:51Speaker 5: and James had taken a phone cord and wrapped it
- 30:55Speaker 5: around his neck and Larry thought he was gonna die.
- 30:59Speaker 10: I did almost kill him, kind of put the brakes
- 31:01Speaker 10: on what I really wanted to do to this person.
- 31:04Speaker 10: It's hard to explain what goes through my mind.
- 31:08Speaker 1: What doesn't go through his mind is that physically attacking
- 31:11Speaker 1: someone is a crime. It's called assault. Larry calls the cops,
- 31:17Speaker 1: but then drops the charges.
- 31:20Speaker 3: I said, you know, I'm beginning to worry about the situation, Larry.
- 31:26Speaker 1: You know, you know I'm getting afraid for you.
- 31:28Speaker 2: This is not good and you really.
- 31:31Speaker 3: Need to take steps to protect yourself. Larry didn't want
- 31:38Speaker 3: to recognize the really true danger that he was in
- 31:42Speaker 3: that was escalating by the minute.
- 31:46Speaker 2: He said to me, is God will protect me.
- 31:51Speaker 1: James is now afraid that last attack might have scared
- 31:54Speaker 1: Larry into dumping him. He's got to act fast panic.
- 31:59Speaker 1: That's how a hustler with a violent temper becomes a
- 32:02Speaker 1: guy who can plot a cold blooded murder. So James
- 32:09Speaker 1: decides Larry Austen needs to die. That way, he'll get
- 32:13Speaker 1: everything he needs from him, vengeance and a small force.
- 32:17Speaker 1: He decides to robbery gone bad. There is no way
- 32:20Speaker 1: to go, and he won't do it himself. He'll hire
- 32:22Speaker 1: a hitman. But who can he recruit the pull the trigger?
- 32:25Speaker 1: Who's desperate enough to kill an old man for cash?
- 32:32Speaker 1: How about the dim bo from the lighting store? Chris Rodriguez.
- 32:38Speaker 1: He's got a family to feed and no marketable skills. Perfect.
- 32:45Speaker 10: I don't know if he can say I snapped. It's
- 32:48Speaker 10: that I had a desire, an overwhelman's desire to finish
- 32:52Speaker 10: Lawrence Austin, Okay, And he began talking about it to friends,
- 32:57Speaker 10: anybody that would listen, I would I hate this person. Man,
- 33:01Speaker 10: This person's a scumbag.
- 33:04Speaker 1: He does a lot more than call them bad names.
- 33:08Speaker 1: He gives Rodriguez a detailed plan.
- 33:12Speaker 9: Vansickle told him almost everything to do, and whatever Vancco
- 33:16Speaker 9: would tell Christian to do, that's what Christian would do.
- 33:21Speaker 4: James told Christian, look, you know, if we get this
- 33:23Speaker 4: to happen, we're both going to be in Clover. I'm
- 33:26Speaker 4: gonna have all this money and you'll be my sidekick
- 33:28Speaker 4: and we'll we'll go through life much better off than.
- 33:31Speaker 1: We are now. So Larry Austin, the keeper of Hollywood's history,
- 33:41Speaker 1: is about to become part of it, a real life tragedy.
- 33:44Speaker 1: Just a few blocks south of the boulevard are broken
- 33:47Speaker 1: Dreams lud Vegas.
- 33:53Speaker 9: He had no criminal history, but once vancycle planted that
- 33:58Speaker 9: seed into him, but the money, it just ate him
- 34:02Speaker 9: up until he decided to go ahead and kill for it.
- 34:11Speaker 1: So Chris Rodbergue sees his dream coming true. Before he
- 34:14Speaker 1: couldn't hold out to a job. Not all he's got
- 34:17Speaker 1: to do is kill a guy, and he's on easy street.
- 34:20Speaker 1: For most people, this is where you're conscience or your
- 34:23Speaker 1: better judgment would kick in and say, WHOA, this is wrong,
- 34:27Speaker 1: This is a bad idea, doesn't happen.
- 34:35Speaker 4: My sense of Rodriguez is he just never really gave
- 34:39Speaker 4: this the kind of thought it needed. How would he
- 34:41Speaker 4: have ever envisioned himself succeeding at this process. I see
- 34:46Speaker 4: Chris Rodriguez an incredibly weak minded individual.
- 34:52Speaker 1: Larry Austin could see what's coming, his dream crumbling into
- 34:57Speaker 1: a nightmare.
- 35:00Speaker 5: Larry had told me like probably about two weeks or
- 35:03Speaker 5: three weeks before he was murdered. That he was frightened
- 35:07Speaker 5: of James, and he said that he has had a
- 35:09Speaker 5: cell phone now because he was afraid that James was
- 35:12Speaker 5: going to be cutting the phone wires and Larry couldn't
- 35:14Speaker 5: call for help. He told me that anything happened to
- 35:18Speaker 5: him point the finger at James.
- 35:25Speaker 1: Now that he has a plan, James doesn't mind pretending
- 35:27Speaker 1: to be the obedient boy toy, so he keeps the
- 35:30Speaker 1: lid on his temper. This real estate will soon be
- 35:33Speaker 1: his and he'll be rich, and that powerful exploit to
- 35:36Speaker 1: Larry Austin. He soon will get what he deserves. Enjoy
- 35:40Speaker 1: the show.
- 35:42Speaker 10: In a stumback, okay. And I knew I couldn't do it, Okay.
- 35:48Speaker 10: I mean if I did it, everybody would know. I
- 35:52Speaker 10: thought about doing something, you know, in the theater, doing
- 35:55Speaker 10: it dramatic, all kinds of things.
- 35:59Speaker 1: Van sicklesat she gone way further than just music about it.
- 36:03Speaker 1: He's justified to himself that Larry deserves to die.
- 36:09Speaker 4: His true goal is an avenging angel kind of attitude
- 36:12Speaker 4: towards people like Austin for the purpose of paying back
- 36:17Speaker 4: for the past history in his own life.
- 36:24Speaker 1: James Picks Friday, January seventeenth nineteen ninety seven is to
- 36:28Speaker 1: day for Larry to be killed. It'll be busy and
- 36:31Speaker 1: Austin will be distracted. On Tuesday, he goes over the
- 36:37Speaker 1: plan with Chris Rodriguez. The hit man will act like
- 36:41Speaker 1: he's robbing the place. Rodriguez gets a gun, no money.
- 36:49Speaker 9: It was almost unbelievable that he would have done this
- 36:51Speaker 9: with nothing down. And he thought honestly that Vanska was
- 36:55Speaker 9: gonna pay. I said so, in other words, you did
- 36:57Speaker 9: all this on credit.
- 37:00Speaker 1: This all on credit. Three nights later, Chris Rodriguez heads
- 37:11Speaker 1: to the theater. This is the.
- 37:22Speaker 9: Whole theatrics of in the dynamics of how Van Sickle was.
- 37:27Speaker 9: He was a control person also, and he wanted this
- 37:31Speaker 9: to be dramatic. And he thought he wears all dark clothes,
- 37:35Speaker 9: maybe he can get away easier. People won't recognize him
- 37:39Speaker 9: as quick.
- 37:42Speaker 6: We started the show as usual, he would come down.
- 37:46Speaker 6: We did pomp and circumstance, and he introduced the show.
- 37:53Speaker 1: Lawrence Austin welcomes the Silent Movie audience to the world
- 37:58Speaker 1: for the very last time.
- 38:00Speaker 12: All right, we're gonna.
- 38:04Speaker 4: Today thank him.
- 38:09Speaker 1: Tonight, Larry Austin will fall victim to a masterpiece of foolishness.
- 38:14Speaker 1: Chris Rodriguez isn't playing out some twisted dream of his own.
- 38:17Speaker 1: He's a simpleton and he's got a simple plan. He's
- 38:20Speaker 1: gonna kill old guy, get money, feed kids. James Van
- 38:25Speaker 1: Sickle is more complicated, but his judgment is clouded. He's
- 38:29Speaker 1: so angry he can't see Larry isn't really the guy
- 38:32Speaker 1: who hurt him. And Larry Austin well, he thinks everything's great.
- 38:37Speaker 1: Three people, three distorted views of reality. That's how dreams
- 38:43Speaker 1: become nightmares.
- 38:48Speaker 6: We went through the first short and then we went
- 38:52Speaker 6: into the second movie, which was called School Days, and
- 38:55Speaker 6: it was a comedy starring Larry Seaman.
- 39:01Speaker 1: Rodriguez has never shot anyone. It's his debut and he's
- 39:05Speaker 1: got stage fright.
- 39:08Speaker 14: Uh.
- 39:08Speaker 9: He was very nervous that at one time he got up,
- 39:11Speaker 9: he went into the restroom and he was sweating a
- 39:14Speaker 9: little bit. He didn't know if he was gonna go
- 39:17Speaker 9: through with it, but they started thinking about his wife
- 39:20Speaker 9: and his kids. He didn't have any diapers and no money,
- 39:24Speaker 9: and that pushed him over to make him go ahead
- 39:28Speaker 9: and do it. Got up, he went to the candy counter.
- 39:39Speaker 12: I uh, I need to see your manager.
- 39:42Speaker 9: He said he wanted UH to buy a h a
- 39:44Speaker 9: block of tickets for a future performance. And about that
- 39:48Speaker 9: same time, mister Austin Uh walked up to the.
- 39:52Speaker 1: Counter, Yes, sir, how could I help?
- 39:57Speaker 9: And then that's when Rodriguez pulled the gun and demanded
- 40:01Speaker 9: the money. Miss Ross complied absolutely started rounding up the money,
- 40:09Speaker 9: putting it in a paper bag, and Rodriguez kind of
- 40:12Speaker 9: leaned over the counter, got a little closer and pointed
- 40:15Speaker 9: the gun straight out as far as he could, right
- 40:17Speaker 9: up to Austin's head.
- 40:21Speaker 1: Larry Austin thinks he's being robbed. It's his last delution, Roberts.
- 40:28Speaker 1: Austin loves silent movies. He loves living in their dreamy world.
- 40:33Speaker 1: And when he dies, it's just like one of them.
- 40:35Speaker 1: Not a word. All action. Tonight inside the theater in Hollywood,
- 40:40Speaker 1: there'll be a murder that will lend several dreams. It
- 40:43Speaker 1: won't be on the screen, and it won't be silent.
- 40:50Speaker 9: From five feet you could miss if you're nervous. Two
- 40:53Speaker 9: inches five inches right in the head, you're not gonna miss.
- 40:59Speaker 9: It was more important than he had diapers and rent.
- 41:02Speaker 9: Then mister Austin had a life at that point he
- 41:05Speaker 9: became a stone cold killer.
- 41:10Speaker 1: The script says no witnesses. Too bad for tiket girl
- 41:15Speaker 1: Mary Chiles.
- 41:18Speaker 9: He turned to Mary and shot her at point blank.
- 41:24Speaker 1: Miraculously, her woon does not fatal.
- 41:28Speaker 9: I believe it was God's miracle, just a twist of
- 41:31Speaker 9: her body a certain centimeter or an answer, you know.
- 41:39Speaker 6: I heard a series of pops coming from the lobby,
- 41:45Speaker 6: and I had thought that someone was firing off firecrackers,
- 41:48Speaker 6: and so I had turned around and I stopped playing.
- 41:52Speaker 6: I heard a few more pops, and then I see
- 41:57Speaker 6: the man running down this aisle, shooting, shooting over his head,
- 42:01Speaker 6: just shooting wildly.
- 42:05Speaker 9: He ran down an alley in to his car, which
- 42:08Speaker 9: he had parked a couple of blocks away.
- 42:15Speaker 6: After he waved out the back door, I ran up
- 42:19Speaker 6: to the lobby and that's where I saw Mary, and
- 42:24Speaker 6: there was Lawrence there, and he was shot through the eye.
- 42:47Speaker 1: John Miller is the first detective on the scene.
- 42:53Speaker 9: No, originally we thought it was a robbery. I had
- 42:56Speaker 9: all the signs of robbery with the money with them,
- 43:00Speaker 9: and shot behind the counter. The strange thing about it
- 43:03Speaker 9: was he was shot point blank, I mean obviously killed
- 43:08Speaker 9: him instantly, but then he was shot twice more in
- 43:10Speaker 9: the leg, which didn't quite make sense to us.
- 43:18Speaker 2: I want to help.
- 43:20Speaker 1: The projectionist seems eager to help.
- 43:24Speaker 9: He told us that, you know, he was in the
- 43:26Speaker 9: projection booth. He heard the shots, he pushed the alarm,
- 43:31Speaker 9: but he didn't see anything by the time, he said,
- 43:33Speaker 9: by the time he got out, everything was over.
- 43:37Speaker 1: But he does hold something back.
- 43:40Speaker 9: He didn't mention anything about it relaship with Austin. He
- 43:45Speaker 9: said they were good friends and that he admired him
- 43:47Speaker 9: because they both had this love for silent movies.
- 43:52Speaker 4: Even though he apparently hated us enough to want him
- 43:54Speaker 4: to die. He tried to manipulate this into a situation
- 43:57Speaker 4: where it appeared that he was an innocent witness to
- 44:00Speaker 4: this terrible crime and not the perpetrator.
- 44:03Speaker 6: An hour or so after the murder, James had come
- 44:07Speaker 6: up to me and said, we need to reopen this
- 44:09Speaker 6: theater and run it as Lawrence had always run it before,
- 44:12Speaker 6: and it'll be you and me, Dean, and which I
- 44:15Speaker 6: thought was kind of strange to say that since his
- 44:18Speaker 6: lover had just been murdered.
- 44:22Speaker 1: At Larry's funeral, James acts as a poll bear.
- 44:26Speaker 14: It's the end of a great error. I mean, we
- 44:28Speaker 14: lost an individual that was dedicated to preserving the silent movies,
- 44:32Speaker 14: the birth of the industry, and he's gone.
- 44:42Speaker 1: The next day, when Detective Miller searches Austin's apartment, he
- 44:46Speaker 1: finds the will.
- 44:49Speaker 9: We thought, well, that was kind of strange, and he
- 44:51Speaker 9: would write a will and then it would be in
- 44:54Speaker 9: the computer and he would leave everything to Van Sickle,
- 44:57Speaker 9: who at that time we only.
- 44:59Speaker 1: Knew it was just just put injectionist. So the cops
- 45:05Speaker 1: have their suspicions about James Van Sickle, but nothing really
- 45:09Speaker 1: to go on. The real break comes when Mary Giles
- 45:12Speaker 1: describes the shooter to a police sketch artist. She's got
- 45:16Speaker 1: an eye for detail, that girl. I'll tell you this
- 45:19Speaker 1: sketch is so dead on that as soon as it
- 45:21Speaker 1: hits the papers, Chris Rodrigue has his own relatives called
- 45:26Speaker 1: the cops. At Chris's place, they find evidence that ties
- 45:30Speaker 1: him to James. Rodriguez confesses in a heartbeat. James is arrested,
- 45:35Speaker 1: and Detective Miller's dream comes true. What do detectives dream
- 45:42Speaker 1: about cases that solve themselves?
- 45:46Speaker 15: Our investigation determined that Ben Sikel, who was designated as
- 45:50Speaker 15: the sole beneficiary of mister Austin's estate, which is valued
- 45:54Speaker 15: in excess of one million dollars, hired Rodriguez to kill
- 45:58Speaker 15: Austin for approximately twenty five thousand dollars.
- 46:02Speaker 3: When James are arrested, I was shocked and I just
- 46:08Speaker 3: felt tremendous sadness, all right. I felt sad for him,
- 46:11Speaker 3: said sad for Larry's, sad for the theater, sad for
- 46:14Speaker 3: the patrons.
- 46:19Speaker 1: Both men have found guilty of murder, but when the
- 46:21Speaker 1: jury hears what James Van Sickle's childhood was like, they
- 46:25Speaker 1: take pity on him. Him and Chris Rodriguez suspended death penalty.
- 46:29Speaker 1: They both get life without parole. To this day, Van
- 46:35Speaker 1: Sickle says he's innocent.
- 46:38Speaker 10: Never never did it. I did not hire this.
- 46:42Speaker 1: Guy to do it. No one believes him, which is
- 46:46Speaker 1: why he's speaking to us now from a California prison.
- 46:54Speaker 1: James Van Sickle's mother serves her own life sentence, thinking
- 46:58Speaker 1: of how different things could have been.
- 47:03Speaker 11: I think he was a victim of his mind. He
- 47:09Speaker 11: had so much anger that he was hurting people. I
- 47:18Speaker 11: just want some peace for my son.
- 47:22Speaker 1: There's little chance for that. Sorry, as you might feel
- 47:26Speaker 1: about a guy's lost youth. It's no excuse for cold
- 47:30Speaker 1: blooded murder. Larry Austen did not deserve to die.
- 47:38Speaker 5: He brought a lot of happiness to people, and I
- 47:41Speaker 5: think Larry would be appreciative that a lot of people
- 47:44Speaker 5: can walk away and say they were glad that Larry
- 47:47Speaker 5: ran the Silent Theater.