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Huddle Up | Bucky Brooks Gets Honest about Free Agency · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up by the Field Shuttle Group, Jaguar
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  Speaker 1: Senior writer John Oser, NFL Network analyst and former Jaguar
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  Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, and senior reporter JP Shadwick bring you the
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  Speaker 1: latest on your Jacksonville Jaguars.
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  Speaker 2: Huddle Up starts right now.
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  Speaker 3: And Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks is brought to you
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  Speaker 2: Go to Fieldsauto dot com. JP Shadwick, John Oser.
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  Speaker 3: We're at the Hunday Studios inside the Miller Electric Center
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  Speaker 3: in Jacksonville. Bucky Brooks out in Los Angeles, and it's
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  Speaker 3: nice to speak with you again, Bucky. After last week
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  Speaker 3: at the Combine. We got to see you in person.
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  Speaker 3: What's going on?
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  Speaker 4: Not too much, guys, what's happening?
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  Speaker 5: You know, I have a question for the King of
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  Speaker 5: the Combine already already, Bucky. I can remember when I
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  Speaker 5: was a child at Christmas, I would look forward to
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  Speaker 5: christ Miss the anticipation, the tree, and then when it
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  Speaker 5: was over, I would have this letdown where it was
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  Speaker 5: almost like a sadness. I have to think that that's
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  Speaker 5: you this week after the combine.
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  Speaker 4: No that that's not me.
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  Speaker 6: No, No, I mean there was a lot of work
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  Speaker 6: and all that other stuff, but no, not not the
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  Speaker 6: level of sadness that you would anticipate.
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  Speaker 5: And they take that tree down. You're not like a
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  Speaker 5: little sad little tear.
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  Speaker 4: No, we're trying to get a tree down right away.
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  Speaker 6: Tree has to be down right after New Year's death
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  Speaker 6: January second.
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  Speaker 4: Tree needs to be down. All the stuff needs to
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  Speaker 4: be put away. We're on to the next.
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  Speaker 2: Love that all right?
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  Speaker 5: All right, I don't buy it, but all right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I think it's like in school when everybody's going are
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  Speaker 5: you crying? Are you crying?
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm not crying.
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  Speaker 4: Somebody's cutting onions. Someone is cutting onions.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: What is next is free agency.
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  Speaker 3: We're a week ahead from the start of the league year,
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  Speaker 3: and that the Jags could be in a position where
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  Speaker 3: they've got some money to spend. They've got to do
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  Speaker 3: some business. It feels like before that they got room
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  Speaker 3: they could go into the new year without making moves.
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  Speaker 3: But we'll see what happens. And I mean, obviously it
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  Speaker 3: starts with a couple of names that you hear about
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  Speaker 3: on the roster right now that have big salary impacts
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  Speaker 3: to the salary cap next year in Christian Kirk.
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  Speaker 2: And evid Ingram.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, and then we can go into the pending
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  Speaker 3: free agents and all that.
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  Speaker 4: For the Jags.
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  Speaker 3: There's a long list of those guys. But John, where
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  Speaker 3: do you begin here? Let's start with Christian Kirk with
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  Speaker 3: a big number going in the next season and a
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  Speaker 3: lot of time on the sideline the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a tricky spot because I think
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  Speaker 5: fans want Christian back. I would love to see Christian back.
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  Speaker 5: He's one of my favorite players covering him that I've
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  Speaker 5: ever covered. I mean, I enjoy talking to him, I
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  Speaker 5: enjoy watching him play. At the same time, he has
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  Speaker 5: not finished the last two seasons. He's a twenty four
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  Speaker 5: million dollar cap hit, and I think it's I think
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  Speaker 5: they save about ten million by releasing him. So I
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  Speaker 5: don't know. You know, I'm not privy to the depth
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  Speaker 5: of conversation about Christian within the building, and I don't
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  Speaker 5: know what the talks are in terms would Christian want
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  Speaker 5: to come back, in terms of making a little bit
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  Speaker 5: less My my history being around that is fans and
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  Speaker 5: media love to talk about a guy taking a little
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  Speaker 5: bit less, and guys tend to not take a little
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  Speaker 5: bit less Bucky and I wouldn't either. This is a
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  Speaker 5: business and they know that. So I don't think Christian
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  Speaker 5: will be back, and I hope I'm wrong when I
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  Speaker 5: say that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, No, this is a This is a tricky one
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  Speaker 6: because I think it's clear when Christian Kirk is on
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  Speaker 6: the field he is an impact player for them. I
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  Speaker 6: think when you're around on the team, particularly where I'm
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  Speaker 6: at on the sideline, and you see the communication, you
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  Speaker 6: see how much Trevor depends on Christian, I think it
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  Speaker 6: would be a huge loss if you remove him from
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  Speaker 6: the equation. While Parker Washington in theory, offers a natural replacement,
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  Speaker 6: I think there's a difference in terms of just the
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  Speaker 6: football IQ, the trust, the dependability, the reliability when it
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  Speaker 6: comes to being at the right spot. It has been
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  Speaker 6: unfortunate that he's had injuries each of the past two years,
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  Speaker 6: but guess what, the quarterback has also been injured each
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  Speaker 6: of the past two years, and so I think you
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  Speaker 6: got to be careful penalizing him for those injuries when
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  Speaker 6: you really understand the importance and the value that he
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  Speaker 6: brings to the offense. And what he could do look
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  Speaker 6: to help Trevor get to where we want him to
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  Speaker 6: get to in twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree. I mean he said theoretically Parker Washington
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  Speaker 5: can replace him. Theory's great in April, theory's not great
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  Speaker 5: on September thirteenth. And so I agree with you. They
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  Speaker 5: have been a better offense and Trevor Lawrence has been
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  Speaker 5: a better quarterback over the last three years when there's
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  Speaker 5: been a rhythm with Christian I just don't know that
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  Speaker 5: there's a you know, I think the fact that he
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  Speaker 5: hasn't been on the field I'd finished the last two
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  Speaker 5: seasons has to play into the equation and that worries
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  Speaker 5: me as somebody who wants to cover Christian Kirk again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, the number on Christian Kirk twenty four
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  Speaker 3: million cap hit thirteen and a half dead cap, so
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  Speaker 3: looking at about ten and a half.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, And so that it just feels to me like
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  Speaker 5: new regime starting over, new philosophy. At some point in
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  Speaker 5: his career, Trevor Lawrence is not going to have Christian Kirk,
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  Speaker 5: and there's a shelf life on that receiver quarterback relationship.
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  Speaker 5: I'm worried they may take it off the shelf. Weakers.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, the only thing that I would say, and I
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  Speaker 6: completely understand, and I completely understand why everyone is kind
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  Speaker 6: of looking to fix the budget, right, you want to
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  Speaker 6: fix the budget.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm just not in the.
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  Speaker 6: Business of removing good players when I know there are
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  Speaker 6: a lot of bad players making significant money and I
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  Speaker 6: don't want to retain them because they're cheaper items. I
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  Speaker 6: would look to see how much would it cost to
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  Speaker 6: remove too three four bad players that are commanding significant
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  Speaker 6: chunks of the salary cap before I will remove a
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  Speaker 6: player that I know is a good player that really
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  Speaker 6: works with the quarterback. Because at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 6: we always talk about it like this is a quarterback
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  Speaker 6: driven league. The job is for the coordinator is to
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  Speaker 6: make the game easy for the quarterback. I would want
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  Speaker 6: to exhaust all options before I present another challenge for
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  Speaker 6: Trevor Lawrence to have to overcome when you're breaking in
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  Speaker 6: the newness of young, inexperienced receivers on the perimeter, learning
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  Speaker 6: a new offense with the new regime.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, let me just say for the record, I lean
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  Speaker 5: Bucky's way on this. I mean, I'm talking the other
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  Speaker 5: way a little bit to, you know, sort of put
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  Speaker 5: the idea out there and I'd have the conversation. But
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  Speaker 5: I hope I think they're better. I would like to
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  Speaker 5: see for a year how Trevor, Brian Thomas, Junior, Christian Kirk,
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  Speaker 5: how that could look. It would be cool if they
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  Speaker 5: could play fifty one healthy games as a group. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I think that would really you know, I could see
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  Speaker 5: that being the best offense, the most smooth operating offense
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  Speaker 5: they've had here in Trevors's career.
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  Speaker 3: If you throw it out an Ingram in that mix,
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  Speaker 3: if he's out there, then that just adds to the firepower.
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  Speaker 3: But he's another that could have some cap savings if
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  Speaker 3: he's not on the roster. Nineteen and a half million
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  Speaker 3: cap hit, thirteen and a half million dead cap, it's
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  Speaker 3: about a five million dollars savings if he's not around.
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  Speaker 3: He's had production here, but again he didn't finish the
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  Speaker 3: season either with the labor problem on the shoulder.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Bucky, and again I can't say enough. I think
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  Speaker 5: JP agrees with me. I haven't been around these guys. I
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  Speaker 5: would love it if Christian Kirk and Evan Ingram were
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  Speaker 5: twenty year players for this franchise. I mean that would
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  Speaker 5: be great. I mean that would be the Fantasy Land, right,
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  Speaker 5: but you know, not in fantasy Land. I almost leaned
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  Speaker 5: toward Evan Ingram being a I hate the word expendable,
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  Speaker 5: but I think Christian Kirk is a bigger loss theoretically
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  Speaker 5: for Trevor. I think Evan's been really, really good. I
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  Speaker 5: kind of look at the yards per reception lately and
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  Speaker 5: that makes me think that they could maybe get as
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  Speaker 5: much out of Brenton Strange and another tight end as
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  Speaker 5: they've gotten out of Ingram married to that concept bucket.
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  Speaker 5: But I feel like there's something there.
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  Speaker 4: I think there is something to be said for that.
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  Speaker 6: One of the things that you do like everything, Look,
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  Speaker 6: it all works together, right, It's free agency, the draft,
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  Speaker 6: salary cap, casualties, all that works together. When you look
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  Speaker 6: at the strength of this draft class, there are a
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  Speaker 6: ton of tight ends that are available that can certainly
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  Speaker 6: help you.
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  Speaker 4: When you look at the emergence of Britain Strains last.
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  Speaker 6: Year and what he was able to do with the opportunities,
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  Speaker 6: you can make a reasonable case that a, if we
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  Speaker 6: remove Evan Ingram from the equation, we have Breton Strange
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  Speaker 6: who can step into his role, but we also can
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  Speaker 6: double up by taking a young tight end and a
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  Speaker 6: very talented tight end class to make sure that we
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  Speaker 6: have multiple options to be able to replace that production.
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  Speaker 6: When you look at Christian Kirk, I will tell you this,
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  Speaker 6: like the wide receiver class is not as strong as
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  Speaker 6: it's been in past years. And then when you look
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  Speaker 6: at Parker Washington, there's some similarities, but I also.
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  Speaker 4: Think they are great differences.
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  Speaker 6: And so when you're making those decisions, you're trying to
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  Speaker 6: figure out who is who's more readily replaceable, and right now,
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  Speaker 6: to your point, Evan Ingram would appear to be easier
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  Speaker 6: to replace perimeter player more southern Christian Kirk.
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  Speaker 3: up with Bucky Brooks. All right, let's get to well,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, I kind of just want to go
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  Speaker 3: down the list of pending free agents and almost like
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  Speaker 3: a yay or nay and a quick why what do
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  Speaker 3: you think Johnny?
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  Speaker 2: That makes sense?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I say yay kind of that.
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  Speaker 2: Bucky, you say yay or nay to that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yay, yay, let's do it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Brandon, this is my previous annual value. Brandon Sheriff Nay, nay.
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  Speaker 5: Why it's done? I mean not nelays though him is
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  Speaker 5: as a player. Yeah, because of this, Bucky, I think
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  Speaker 5: if you're going to change, uh, the offensive line, you
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  Speaker 5: have to change something. And they're not changing Walker Lettle,
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  Speaker 5: they're not changing Ezra Cleveland, and they're not changing uh
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  Speaker 5: Anton Harrison. I don't know about Mitch Morse. I think
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  Speaker 5: that's I think that's something to be studied in storyline.
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  Speaker 5: But I think they'll go after a guard somewhere in
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  Speaker 5: free agency or somewhere early in the draft and try
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  Speaker 5: to get a more uh Brandish Sure has been a
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  Speaker 5: big time player, big time career, but try to get
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  Speaker 5: something more physical and uh maybe more fiery as as
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  Speaker 5: that position.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you. I don't think you can play
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  Speaker 4: at a high level anymore.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's toughnessing and Grid is admirable, but in
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  Speaker 6: terms of the production and the performance, you want to
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  Speaker 6: get better at the position.
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  Speaker 4: So I would move on.
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  Speaker 6: I wouldn't continue to kind of try it out the
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  Speaker 6: same office line that we've tried it out the last
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  Speaker 6: two years, where we've seen the issues that we've had.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, So for the record, both are nay on
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  Speaker 2: that one. Yeah, yes, yay.
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  Speaker 5: Today it's both nay.
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  Speaker 3: On the Mac Jones quarterback was three point eight million average.
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  Speaker 2: Nay, nay.
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  Speaker 5: I like Mac, Everbey likes Mac, but uh, I mean
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  Speaker 5: and just Bucky that when regimes change, that dynamic changes
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  Speaker 5: of sort of what you want in the quarterback's ear,
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  Speaker 5: I think, and if you're going to change backups and
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  Speaker 5: have something cheaper long term, I don't think Mac wants
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  Speaker 5: to be back. I mean Trevor's back up forever. I
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  Speaker 5: think he'd like another shot somewhere and and I'm not
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  Speaker 5: going to get it here. All that sort of h
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  Speaker 5: I guess leads to nay for me.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say, not only all of those factors
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  Speaker 6: that you brought in, but I don't know if the
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  Speaker 6: performance was good enough that you want to bring it back.
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  Speaker 6: If you are look a new coach who doesn't have
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  Speaker 6: a tie to the previous backup quarterback. You may want
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  Speaker 6: to bring in your own guy who understands your system
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  Speaker 6: or understands one of the similarities of your system.
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  Speaker 4: For that reason alone, I think you move on from
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  Speaker 4: Mac Jones.
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  Speaker 5: Unsurprisingly, that's a better answer than mine.
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  Speaker 2: There you go, yay it is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Jeremiah Ledbetter on the defensive line, defensive tackle one
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  Speaker 3: point eight.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, Buck, who we talking about? Defense tackle
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  Speaker 4: one point eight? Who is it?
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  Speaker 2: Jeremiah Ledbetter?
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  Speaker 4: I mean he's fine. One point eight is is okay?
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  Speaker 6: But I am more apt to everyone that you bring up,
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  Speaker 6: particularly on the front line.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna move on and see if I can try
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  Speaker 4: and better.
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  Speaker 3: Caleb Johnson linebacker, but a Special Teams ace.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, very good team's guy. I think he's been good
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  Speaker 5: at the right price. He's the guy you keep around.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know specifically how Farwell feels, but guys who
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  Speaker 5: have been Special Teams guys that wasn't a regime change, Bucky,
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  Speaker 5: so I think you could see some guys like that stick.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I like that Special Teams are one of the
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  Speaker 4: best in the business.
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  Speaker 6: You brought back Heath Farwell in company yeah, I'm keeping him.
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  Speaker 3: Andre Cisco, well, yeah, onto the next.
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  Speaker 4: And this is a big disappointment for me.
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  Speaker 6: I thought he would be a much better player in
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  Speaker 6: previous seasons, but he hasn't.
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  Speaker 4: He hasn't played well. So I'm onto the next.
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  Speaker 6: I want to find a more reliable, dependable, productive option.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody likes the safety. You gets an occasional interception.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and Andre.
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  Speaker 2: Out there too, blown coverage.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're shifting the secondary much like the lines. Sid
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  Speaker 5: didn't secondary didn't play well last year, and he was disappointing,
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  Speaker 5: and I just don't think they'll keep So I hope
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  Speaker 5: for his sake he goes on and plays.
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  Speaker 3: Well, somebody will sign him somewhere. Sure, yes, just most
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  Speaker 3: likely not here. Ernest Johnson running.
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  Speaker 5: Back, Uh, probably a nay, But I mean I don't
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  Speaker 5: feel passionately about it, buck you, but probably an A.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would saying nay.
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  Speaker 6: I'm looking to find a younger, cheaper option. I'm also
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  Speaker 6: looking to draft someone that could eventually be the RB
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  Speaker 6: one because as I'm looking at Travis at tenn he's
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  Speaker 6: playing in this fifth year option, I would anticipate moving.
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  Speaker 4: On from him at the end of that.
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  Speaker 6: So I'm looking to draft a couple of running backs
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  Speaker 6: that can play bigger role.
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  Speaker 4: So Deanis Johnson will probably be a casual.
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  Speaker 5: Sounds like Bucky's anti tank Appa.
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  Speaker 6: No, I like Tank, but I'm saying have another running
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  Speaker 6: back to eventually I want. Hey man, when you're four
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  Speaker 6: and thirteen, everybody's up for debate.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, yep, including CJ. Bethard quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no.
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  Speaker 2: That's a note.
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  Speaker 4: I'm continued to try and upgrade it.
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  Speaker 6: Like we talked about bringing in a backup from one
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  Speaker 6: of the systems that are very similar to what Mcorin runs.
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  Speaker 6: And then I'm looking to draft a young one to
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  Speaker 6: develop to have in the hopper who eventually may fill
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  Speaker 6: the role on practice squad.
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  Speaker 2: Gotta keep that hopper, keep it full tight end.
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  Speaker 5: That's probably an a.
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  Speaker 2: Blake Cants guard.
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  Speaker 4: Six years.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of need some bodies. Yeah, there's the campus.
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  Speaker 5: M maybe I mean uh many, Bucky, you know, uh Gar,
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  Speaker 5: I mean offensive lineman. Every team needs those guys who've
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  Speaker 5: done it for a while, who aren't necessarily stars. He
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  Speaker 5: fits that. I mean, he's a guy that I'm not
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  Speaker 5: saying this is a native word, Blake Cants. He's a
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  Speaker 5: guy that you can play roster machination with on on
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  Speaker 5: a Friday and you know, released to the practice squad
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  Speaker 5: not necessarily, you know, be terrified that he's going to
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  Speaker 5: be picked up. He may be a little better than
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  Speaker 5: what I just described, but you need that guy that
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  Speaker 5: you can rely on who's not automatically going to get
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  Speaker 5: sapped up.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm looking. I'm I'm fine with it at the
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  Speaker 6: right price point. Yeah, So I'm okay with it. Like
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  Speaker 6: it's I'm not going to do anything crazy. You got
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  Speaker 6: to have depth and you gotta have guys that can
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  Speaker 6: rotate in and be swing players.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm okay with handstand.
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  Speaker 3: Exclusive rights free agent Joe Giles Harris linebacker brought in
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  Speaker 3: late last year. Who knows next? D Shaun Dixon was
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  Speaker 3: injured all the last season, was kind of a project
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  Speaker 3: and has been injured. Outside linebackers second.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: Year on to the next.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Tomawo, who had plenty of playing time last year at defensive.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: End, probably onto that. I mean, yeah, that'll so depend
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: on on.
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  Speaker 4: Right man. Have we got The only way to change
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  Speaker 4: the coach is to change the culture.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: So Covid landon guard part of the same argument. With
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: his hands, he's restricted there right, or he was restricted. Yes,
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: he's restricted, all.
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  Speaker 4: Right, So I mean we're talking about talking about peanuts.
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: Wow, that's okay.
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: No, No, I'm just saying it's not a big deal,
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: so we can keep him and you're not tied in anything.
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: There's no sign of bonus associated with keeping him on
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: a tender like so it doesn't cost you anything to
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: bring him to camp and let him continue to compete
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: for one of those.
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: Well he had, like you still have to finance the
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: bust too from last because he was the greatest offensive
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: line in the history of.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Season.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I joke about that because it was quite
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: a feat. I mean, it was unbelievable for two weeks.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: I think he fits into that Blake Hans category. To me, uh,
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: you know, offensive lineman, you need guys who you know
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: can do it, who you're not paying a lot. So
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: he would make sense if he falls into that.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: And just taking him to camp.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: See what happened.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Sure, he makes it cool.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Tim Jones last one restricted free agent wide receiver sort of.
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: The same thing as Caleb right, Buck, I mean I.
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: Don't, yeah, he saw, but the only thing that I
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: would ask is, like, if he's going to get on
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: the field and play as a regular receiver.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: He can't keep jumping off sides. Well, he just can't
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: keep having false starts.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: That's the question is he hasn't performed a wide receiver.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: How long you keep that around?
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I'm okay bringing him back, but man,
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: he has to Like I'm not penciling him into the lineup,
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: like he's a really solid special teamers. But you can
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: find guys like him. I think the difference between like
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: him and Dwayne Thomas and all those other guys, like
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: those guys are essential to the core. I don't know
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: if Jones is an essential piece to the special teams.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: You have it or looked through pending free agents for
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• 20:20
  Speaker 5: I he was You're speaking, Come on, Bucky, you don't
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  Speaker 5: I'm talking about I do?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, that's funny.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I'll check that out.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: Money. Hey.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Final thought with you here, Bucky, what was your what's
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: your takeaway after the combine about how this top five could.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Go down in the draft? Will there be some shake up,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: some movement, Will the Titans move?
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: What's the Are the quarterbacks good enough to be picked
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: that high or are they gonna fall?
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: What's your general feel?
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: I think it's a crapshit. I don't know if anyone
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: knows anything.
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: If anything, is more muddy than it was before we
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: entered the combine. Some of the great performances that we
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: saw in shorts, even though they're not supposed to impact
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: and influence you, it will change that. Some of the
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: linemen performed really well. And will Campbell being kind of
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: penciled and peg to be a top five pick, maybe
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: that's not a reality. Shereder Sanders in the debate over
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: Sherdriff Sanders and cam Ward And if you know, according
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: to something, Shedriff Sanders is the first round pick.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: That all changes everything.
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: And then with abdual Carter being injured, that will certainly
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: have an impact on.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: The way that it shakes up.
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: So for the Jaguars got to stay nimble, you've got
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: to be ready to kind of move and maneuver because
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: there may be some unexpected names that are staying you
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: squarely in the face when it's your time to make
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: the pick.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: At five, we think John.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I don't have much of a feel
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: for the top. I still kind of I mean, every
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: time I see a draft of Mason Graham, I still
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: feel like that is gonna make the most sense based
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: on what they like. But we've also got what a
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: month and I mean a month and a half before
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: this thing, so who knows that. I do have a
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: question for the for the pro personnel scout, I mean,
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: we're not going to talk until next Wednesday, and by
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: next Wednesday, we're gonna have a really good idea what's
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: going on in free agency. So for the Jaguars, how
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: do you see this playing out? I think they're going
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: to be active. I sense they're gonna be sniffing around
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: at interior offensive line. I'm curious, Bucky, it feels to
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: me like you need a especially if Christian's not back.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: I think they've really only got one receiver in that scenario.
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, I like Parker, but and we'll see what
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: Gabe Davis is but do you do you feel like
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: any of those are lift the team guys?
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Yet?
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: Not really?
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: So Okay, I'm gonna say this, and I don't want
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: to get in trouble, but the fact that we're going
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: to retain Gabe Davis or Christen Kirk like to me
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: would be mind boggling just in terms of the production,
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: the player and all this other stuff. I understand it,
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: but it would be God, my god, it would just
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: drive me like absolutely banana.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: So it feels like you need veteran to me, I
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: wouldn't be surprised if you see veteran. And when I
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: say rookie, I mean like first four round rookie, both
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: at receiver and somewhere in the defensive backfield. You need
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: numbers at those spots. So I'm gonna be curious how
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: they approach free agency with those spots.
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: Normally, whenever you have a regime change, you have a
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: couple of quote unquote blue guys that tend to come
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: along with the new regime, Guys that coaches have known
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: along the way, Guys that can help foster the changing
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: culture and also the new learning. When it comes to scheme,
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: I would expect to see a handful of guys that
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: have some links and ties to coaches on the.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: Staff kind of make their way over.
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: I would think maybe you have one or two splashes
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: early in free agency, but then I think that the
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: Jags were kind of sitting. Wait, if you go back
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: and kind of study how the Rams have traditionally operated,
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: They've been very shrewd and calculated when it comes to
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: the moves that they make in free agency. A lot
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: of bargain basement deals, not a lot.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: Of splash plays.
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: And look, we have we've gone the whole podcast without
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: talking about the ecosystem. But the new ecosystem that we
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: have in Jacksonville, it requires us to kind of do
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: some of those things and take that that kind of
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: tacked on approach. I would look for us to have
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: some value based deals more so than the Bill Pizazzi
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: splashy additions that you normally see come across to Krawl.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's I think that what will happen,
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: and I think that is the right way to do
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: it is to have more second, second tier free agents
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: and that way you have a chance to get Maybe
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: you probably can't do it at all seven or eight
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: positions but you get a chance to get more guys
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: in each room, right, Yeah, and the only way to
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: get that ecosystem really flourishing is to have guys in
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: the meeting rooms. They understand it as well.
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: So yeah, no, you know what, I'm apologize because I
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: see JP's reaction, like I may seem like I'm coming
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: off a little crusty today, like like like what's wrong.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: No, I'm like, I'm good, Like.
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: I've I've decided that like, look, we want to be
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: truth tellers, Like our job is to tell the truth
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: about some of the things, And so I did want
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: to sugarcoat some of the opinions when it came to
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: some of the thumbs up and thumbs down.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: If this is.
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: Gladiator, you know, like gonna be more down than up
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: as we talk about a team just trying to bounce
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: back for for thirteen.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're talking football. It's all it is. It's
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: not you know, it's not.
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: But I felt like I felt like I felt like
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: based on your reaction, I might have been a little
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: i might have been a little terse, but my commentary
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: so I'm trying to be better, Like I haven't written
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: all week, so some of the words, and some of
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: the things may come off like, you know, maybe not
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: as a flowery that's good.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Straightforward light of that.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: In light of that, I have a question for the
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: truth Teller now that he's that I never knew him
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: as the truth teller before, now that he's that.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Blue in the world.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: I think you said before, Bucky that you didn't really
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: know Gladstone that well. But I'm assuming you had a
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: chance to hear him a little bit. Oh yeah, impression.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, and beyond the ecosystem, because everybody's got their
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: verbiage right.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: But I'm I just kind of like, I kind of
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: like it is.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: New if you push through the ecosystem stuff. There's some
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: real meat on the bone there though.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, there is.
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: And look, living in LA being closed to several people
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: that are working with the Rams, I kind of understand
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: how the Rams have really focused on building their team.
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: They are a team that has kind of overcome some
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: of the I would say, the low expectations that people
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: had with them to be playoff teams back the back years.
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: They've done it with young people while flipping their roster.
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: They've been able to rebuild and win on the fly,
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: which you have to give them credit, they've done a
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: really good job of identifying players and the third rounds
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: of later that have been immediate contributors, which is a positive.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: Gladstone has been around all of that now.
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: Sean McVeigh is a big part of it, and the
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: head coach kind of drives that environment, drives that culture.
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: But they've done a really good job of I would
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: say winning with less. And you know, as you think
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: about the way the Jacks are going to have to
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: transition with the money from Trevor Lawrence his the cap,
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: you're gonna have to do some of those things. The
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: trick will be how do they pay it down? How
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: do they keep the people that you have to keep
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: while getting the budget right by getting.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: The salary cap and those things right.
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: I will say this though, and maybe that's why I've
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: been probably adamant. We had a lot of conversations about
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: Christian Kirk.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: And Evan Ingram and those guys.
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: Given where those guys come from in La Man, in
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: tangibles and character football character really matters. I don't know
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: if they would be the first ones to go based
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: on how the Rams have operated and the way that
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: they've seen it, because when you think about the Rams
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: and what the Rams have been able to do when
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: you look at their camaraderie and chemistry and the way
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: that they've played, like Cooper Cup, even Odell Beckham Junior
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: when he was there, Brittany Cook, like they had a
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: lot of guys that have like kind of sacrificed it's
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: their own individual stuff to have.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: A lot of success. The two guys that we.
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: Mentioned, Evan Ingram and Christian Kirk, they're definitely team guys,
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: and so I just wonder if there's a greater value
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: for team guys over the me guys when they kind
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: of look.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Down the sheet and try and figure out.
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: The cap and who's who stays and who goes and
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: all that other stuff.
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's uh good point. I mean makes a
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: lot of sense.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: You know what.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: I like to wrap it up straightforward Edgy Bucky.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: I love that, Yeah, straight forward, you know, like Edgy Bucky.
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: I mean, I had two cups of coffee, so I
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: thought I would kind of be like alerting on it.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: But I feel like I was a little it's.
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: Rainy out here in La so it's not necessarily what
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: you pay for. I paid for like three hundred and
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: fifty days of sunshine and got a little great day
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: to day.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: So feel like next time he comes in here, you
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: might you might see him pushing some people out of the.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Way, maybe so announcing his presence with authority.
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: Which is fine. I mean you gotta at some point,
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: you gotta take the gloves off.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: That's my desk. Beat it right, It'll say.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: Badstone, get out of my office.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: That'll do it for the day.
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: It's a good way to end it with Bucky kicking
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: the GM out of the office. That's a good way
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: to close.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: Good way to close this podcast forever. Probably Bucky will.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Talk to you next week, all right, Bucky.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Thanks Bucky Brooks, John Oser, I'm JP Shatterick or thanks
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: to britt Reaber and Joe Fortuneatawan.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Thanks to you for listening to the Huddle Up Podcast.