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UK Column News Podcast 8th January 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Wednesday, the eighth of January twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to UK col News. I'm your host Mike Rumson
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Speaker 1: joining me today in the studio. Charles Mallett welcomes the program,
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. And Vanessa Billy is joining us
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Speaker 1: from Lebanon. So we are going to start today with
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Speaker 1: more on the Grooming Gang's story and wealthy statement that
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Speaker 1: the Lovely event Cooper our Illustrious Home secretary made on Monday.
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Speaker 1: Child sexual abuse, she said, and exploitation are the most violent,
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Speaker 1: horrific crimes, involving rib violence, course of control, intimidation, manipulation
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Speaker 1: and deep long term harm. She said that perpetrators must
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Speaker 1: be punished and pursue, victims and survivors must be protected
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Speaker 1: and supported. Well. The Grooming Gang's store is one part
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Speaker 1: of this. But of course the systemic child abuse that
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Speaker 1: the UK has been involved in at the highest levels
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Speaker 1: for the last number of decades has never been investigated.
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Speaker 1: No one has ever been punished or pursued. Victims and
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Speaker 1: survivors have never been protected and supported. So is this
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Speaker 1: likely to change? I would suggest not? Interestingly enough, today
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Speaker 1: the BBC had this article men on secret nineteen seventies
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Speaker 1: pro pedophile list could still work with children today. And
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Speaker 1: they're saying here that they're talking about a secret list
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Speaker 1: which has been handed to them by the Metropolitan Police.
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Speaker 1: The Petropolitan Police, they say, has had this list for
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Speaker 1: twenty years and they've kept it secret. This has been
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Speaker 1: handed to the BBC now for some reason, why we
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Speaker 1: can talk about they're talking about three hundred people that
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Speaker 1: belong to the Pedophile Information Exchange in the seventies, which
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Speaker 1: at the time was calling publicly for the legalization of
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Speaker 1: sex with children. These as I said, the Metropolitan Police
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Speaker 1: had this for a couple of decades, given to the police,
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Speaker 1: now to the BBC. Now, the BBC has tried contacting
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Speaker 1: some of the people that are still alive on this.
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Speaker 1: A couple of them have responded, most of them haven't,
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Speaker 1: and they are saying that, of course, many of those people,
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Speaker 1: or some of those people that are still alive, could
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Speaker 1: still be working with children. And I'm going to say, well,
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Speaker 1: it's great that the BBC has finally caught up with
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Speaker 1: this because one of the things that they haven't included
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Speaker 1: in this story, of course, is something that we have
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Speaker 1: been talking about for well since the beginning, so in
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Speaker 1: May two thousand and nine. This article was published in
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Speaker 1: twenty eleven in the UK Column newspaper that we're publishing
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Speaker 1: at the time, and it begins it's called Liberty, Pie
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Speaker 1: and Pedophiles, and it begins by saying in May two
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Speaker 1: thousand and nine, the UK Column exposed the links between
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Speaker 1: the National Council for Civil Liberties nine renamed Liberty, and
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Speaker 1: two pedofile organizations, the Pedofile Information Exchange and the File
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Speaker 1: Action for Liberty. At the time these two organizations were
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Speaker 1: linked to Liberty. Harriet Harmon and Patricia Hood held the
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Speaker 1: posts of Legal Officer and General Secretary respectively, so they
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Speaker 1: were working with Pedofile Information Exchange to normalize the idea
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Speaker 1: of pedophilia. And of course Harriet Harmon in later life
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Speaker 1: said that she regretted having done that at the time,
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Speaker 1: but nonetheless that was done at the time, and there
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Speaker 1: were efforts at the time to sort of launder the
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Speaker 1: reputations of these people and to try to justify their activities.
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Speaker 1: Now we talked to the connections don't just end with
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Speaker 1: people that subsequently became politicians, and in fact Harriet Harmon
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Speaker 1: still serving in the House of Lords because in this
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Speaker 1: article published in twenty ten more than corrupt, we're talking
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Speaker 1: about a guy called Matthew Byrne, because it's not by
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Speaker 1: coincidence that when we have been reporting on the group
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Speaker 1: in Gangs story on the UK column website, we've mainly
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Speaker 1: been reporting onder the heading of the common Purpose effect,
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Speaker 1: because what we're highlighting in this article and in all
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Speaker 1: those common Purpose effect articles is that common purpose is
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Speaker 1: found everywhere where there's been cover up of this activity,
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Speaker 1: and this particular article is highlighting a guy called Matthew
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Speaker 1: Byrne who was an egregious pedophile.
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Speaker 2: He was.
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Speaker 1: Prosecuted for it, is in prison for it, but of
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Speaker 1: course had his own connections to the elites in this country.
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Speaker 1: So here he is with David Cameron and Michael Heseltine,
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Speaker 1: so you know, the connections are all there. So you know,
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Speaker 1: when we're looking at this situation and saying, looking at
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Speaker 1: this headline in the Telegraph, for example, which is labored
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Speaker 1: to whip MP's to vote against grooming gang inquiry. So
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Speaker 1: there's an effort to bring a get a national grooming
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Speaker 1: gang inquiry going, and Keir Starmer is saying to labor
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Speaker 1: MPs today, no, you must vote against this. Well, the
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Speaker 1: question is why would he be doing that. Is he
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Speaker 1: doing that because he is concerned about as Ben was
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Speaker 1: suggesting a Monday, concerned about the fact that a lot
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Speaker 1: of this activity has happened in labor control council areas
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Speaker 1: and that this is going to have an impact on
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Speaker 1: the Libor party. Or is this decision designed to enrage
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Speaker 1: people in the population and keep them focused on the
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Speaker 1: Muslim aspects of this and the Islamic aspects of this.
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Speaker 1: I'm just going to say, reinforce this part of the
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Speaker 1: story because we've got to remember the Asian grooming gang
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Speaker 1: part of this story is only a small part of
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Speaker 1: a significant part, nonetheless, but a small part of the
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Speaker 1: grooming gang's issue. Because this is a stemic in the
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Speaker 1: United Kingdom. It has been at the heart of government
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Speaker 1: and institutions in the UK for decades. And of course
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Speaker 1: the Church of England part of this. And this headline
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Speaker 1: from a few days ago Archbishop of York to take
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Speaker 1: charge of the Church of England and in this article
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Speaker 1: they're suggesting that the Church of England needs safeguarding reforms. Well,
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Speaker 1: look here's the thing. The post Office and quiry, the
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Speaker 1: enquiry into the Horizon IT scandal is going on, and
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Speaker 1: that is an inquiry into the abuse of postmasters who
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Speaker 1: were claimed to be stealing money from the Post Office,
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Speaker 1: when in fact it was an IT scandal was going on.
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Speaker 1: So those people were abused for decades by the Post Office.
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Speaker 1: Some of them committed suicide, lots of them ended up
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Speaker 1: in prison. None of them has had sufficient compensation for that,
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Speaker 1: and the Post Office is dragging its feet over that story.
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Speaker 1: And that's getting all kinds of outrage from people in
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Speaker 1: the country, But nobody is outraged by the fact that
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Speaker 1: the Church of England has never compensated the people that
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Speaker 1: were abused under its auspices for decades. They have dragged
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Speaker 1: their feet despite the fact that they've got billions of pounds.
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Speaker 1: They have dragged their feet over compensation for the people.
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Speaker 1: If you want to know more about Church of England
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Speaker 1: institutional child abuse, read Theresa Cooper's book Pinned On. It
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Speaker 1: is worth the read. It gives a very good indication
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Speaker 1: to the subhead on this on. Her book is One
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Speaker 1: Girl's harrowing and disturbing tale of institutionalized abuse. Abuse has
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Speaker 1: been institutionalized in this country, not just by the Church
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Speaker 1: of England in care homes by local authorities, not just
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Speaker 1: libor Tory as well. We have been covering this forever
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Speaker 1: as far, for as long as the UK column exists.
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Speaker 1: Nottingham Beechwood Children's Home another example. Melanie Shaw's in a
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Speaker 1: Kiss another kise and so if you haven't, if you're
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Speaker 1: not aware of this story, have a look on the
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Speaker 1: UK home website. Melanie Shaw has never received any compensation
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Speaker 1: for what she went through either. Holly Gregg has never
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Speaker 1: received any recognition compensation. None of the people involved in
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Speaker 1: her institutionalized abuse were prosecuted. Robert Green, in fact, was
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Speaker 1: prosecuted for attempting to protect Holly Gregg and give her
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Speaker 1: some exposure for the story and the abuse that she experienced.
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Speaker 1: In the meantime, we continue the British establishment. The media
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Speaker 1: continues to launder the reputations of people like Edward Heath,
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Speaker 1: and of course, laughably, somebody was suggesting that the King
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Speaker 1: should intervene in this Grimming Gang story and maybe bring
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Speaker 1: the government down, get Keir Starmer out of government if
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Speaker 1: he's not prepared to deal with this properly. The King
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Speaker 1: still has not answered questions or about his connections his
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Speaker 1: friendship with Jimmy Savell, and Jimmy Saville was not just
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Speaker 1: a radio DJ. We've got to remember he was also
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Speaker 1: institutional in the sense that for a period of time
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Speaker 1: he was running broad More Mental Prison, where some of
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Speaker 1: the worst pedophiles in the country are held. So coming
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Speaker 1: back to Vet Cooper then and what she said in
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Speaker 1: her statement on Monday, she said she'll confirm that will
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Speaker 1: make a mandatory to report abuse and will put the
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Speaker 1: measures in the Crime and Policing Bill that we put
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Speaker 1: before Parliament this spring. The protection of institutions can never
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Speaker 1: be put before the protection of children. Again, You're going
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Speaker 1: to have to demonstrate this event because the protection of
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Speaker 1: institutions has absolutely been put before the protection of children
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Speaker 1: all the way through the last decades, and the grimming gangs,
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Speaker 1: the Asian grooming gang story is only a part of this.
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Speaker 1: We will introduce a single child identifier in the Children
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Speaker 1: Well Being Bill. So they're making sure they take advantage
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Speaker 1: of the situation to pursue political aims, political policies that
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Speaker 1: they were already pursuing. They're using this cynically as justification
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Speaker 1: for this kind of thing. We are accelerating the work
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Speaker 1: of the Child Sexual Exploitation Police Task Force. Believe it
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Speaker 1: when I see it arise in twenty five percent of
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Speaker 1: twenty five percent in arrest between July and September this year.
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Speaker 1: Of what of level pedophiles. How about getting a proper
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Speaker 1: investigation at the high level organized pedophile grooming gangs, not
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Speaker 1: just Asian but systemic grant gangs. Finally, she said, we
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Speaker 1: have to face a serious challenge that the fast and
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Speaker 1: growing area of grooming and child abuse is now online. Well,
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Speaker 1: I dispute that, because actually grooming and child abuse can
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Speaker 1: only happen physically in person, and online might be used
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Speaker 1: as a communication mechanism. But again, event Cooper attempting to
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Speaker 1: rather cynically use this as an effort to push forward
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Speaker 1: with censorship and online safety legislation. I don't know what
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Speaker 1: your thoughts are on this, Charles, but you know we've
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Speaker 1: got it absolutely in my opinion, we if we focus,
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Speaker 1: if we keep this in racial issue, we're missing the point.
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Speaker 1: The Asian grooming gangs have got to be dealt with, prosecuted,
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Speaker 1: But this goes much broader than that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does, but I think that's a that's a
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Speaker 2: critical part of it. That the narrative is very much
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Speaker 2: wrapped up in the racial element, which I'm going to
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Speaker 2: come on to in a minute. I think also the
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Speaker 2: other part of this in terms of breaking the cycle,
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Speaker 2: is of course that the abuse of children and those
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Speaker 2: that are caught up in it is a control mechanism
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Speaker 2: of itself. So therefore, to break that cycle, when we're
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Speaker 2: considering how the establishment does deal with any of this,
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Speaker 2: seems extraordinarily improbable, especially since it's persisted for so many
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Speaker 2: decades across such a spectrum of society. So I think
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Speaker 2: that you know, there is a huge amount to it,
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Speaker 2: but it does require, in the first instance, people who
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Speaker 2: are not necessarily in elevated positions of power to flag
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Speaker 2: things up and make a noise at the appropriate moment,
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Speaker 2: which I think has failed largely because of top down
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Speaker 2: pressure not to do so.
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Speaker 1: But of course part of the publicity for this has
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Speaker 1: had to be driven from abroad.
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Speaker 2: It has, and it is perfectly bizarre in some senses
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Speaker 2: because it seems to have come from nowhere. But somebody
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Speaker 2: who has strode into this affair and several others is
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Speaker 2: Elon Musk. Now, if you have the advantage of not
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Speaker 2: being on Twitter or x as it's now called you
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Speaker 2: will have missed his interventions. Just today he has labeled
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Speaker 2: Keir Starmer as evil for exactly as Mike's been describing,
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Speaker 2: deciding or at least whipping his MPs into not pursuing
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Speaker 2: an inquiry into systematic abuse of children and the Grooming
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Speaker 2: Gang's affair. But this, of course is not all he's
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Speaker 2: been up to. After appearing to support the Reform Party,
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Speaker 2: he then sent a message on the fifth of January
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Speaker 2: saying the Reform Party needs a new leader. Farage doesn't
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Speaker 2: have what it takes. WHI seems to have bamboozled Nigel
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Speaker 2: Farage himself. But of course the issue here seems to
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Speaker 2: be musk support of Tommy Robinson and his probably willful
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Speaker 2: misunderstanding of the reason for Robinson or Yaxley Lennon's imprisonment,
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Speaker 2: which of course was the breach of a civil injunction
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Speaker 2: not to publish or not to broadcast, and it's a
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Speaker 2: result of a breach of that that has put him
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Speaker 2: into prison, rather than, as is consistently put by elements
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Speaker 2: of the pro Robinson camp, for telling the truth. But
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Speaker 2: of course the common thread here is that Elon Musk
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Speaker 2: is most certainly an ally of Israel, and it's well
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Speaker 2: known that Tommy Robinson is funded or has been funded
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Speaker 2: certainly a large part by the pro Israel lobby. Now,
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Speaker 2: the other thing that Mask has done is to label
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Speaker 2: Jess Phillips as a rape genocide apologist. Again, this is
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Speaker 2: to relate to the refusal to conduct yes another inquiry
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Speaker 2: for an SJ, of course, saying that the previous inquiry
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Speaker 2: should not be in effect added to. But the key
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Speaker 2: fallout from here is Phillips's response to this, which first
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Speaker 2: of all is remarkably tone deaf, suggesting that she is
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Speaker 2: feeling endangered, when of course they're talking about the abuse
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Speaker 2: of children. So why she should consider her predicament as
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Speaker 2: a recipient of a message on social media to be
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Speaker 2: more damaging than what the children concerned to have gone
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Speaker 2: through is bewildering. But really, what we're supposed to draw
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Speaker 2: from this is that disinformation is harmful. However, we don't
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Speaker 2: have to go so far back to see that Phillips
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Speaker 2: is perfectly prepared to dish out herself here God in
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Speaker 2: artcle from December twenty fifteen, Jess Phillips saying that she
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Speaker 2: would knife Jeremy Corbyn in the front if he damages
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Speaker 2: the Labor Party. So this all looks very theatrical, and
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Speaker 2: the question really has to be why is it that
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Speaker 2: Elon Musk is intervening and indeed making himself look like
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Speaker 2: the bad boy of social media his ownership, of course,
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Speaker 2: of the platform itself, But it looks almost as though
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Speaker 2: the specific intern tier is to tee up yet more
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Speaker 2: action on the censorship front and indeed sanctions, criminal sanctions
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Speaker 2: for this kind of activity, which is what plays off
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Speaker 2: Phillips's incredible hypocrisy. The other point to make here is
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Speaker 2: that in his use of X the social media platform,
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Speaker 2: a theme that emerged during twenty twenty four was his
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Speaker 2: use of the word reform, both capitalized or at least
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Speaker 2: with a capital art and without especially regulatory reform. Now
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Speaker 2: scrolling back through his content over the past few years,
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Speaker 2: this is absolutely a new departure and appeared to be
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Speaker 2: telegraphing what was announced after the Trump victory in the
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Speaker 2: American election back in November, which was that Musk was
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Speaker 2: granted the Effectively we were told he had the power
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Speaker 2: to be running the Department of Government Efficiency, which has
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Speaker 2: been referred to as Doge's. Obviously, lots of speculation here
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Speaker 2: about whether or not that's sort of an allusion to
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Speaker 2: the cryptocurrency of the same name. But regardless as seeing
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Speaker 2: on screen here, this is concerning major reform. Now, exactly
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Speaker 2: where this is going to go is of course highly
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Speaker 2: questionable because it's not really a proper government department. It
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Speaker 2: does seem to be yet another opportunity for Musk to
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Speaker 2: create money for himself out of that provided by the taxpayer,
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Speaker 2: but realistically he will have very little to do with
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Speaker 2: the Trump administration. For greater detail on this, I can
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Speaker 2: point you towards thinking Coalition on Substacks, so they'll be
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Speaker 2: a linked to this in the show notes with a
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Speaker 2: well articulated piece on the Department of Government efficiency and
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Speaker 2: exactly what it is that Musk may be up to
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Speaker 2: in this. But it does seem that the meddling from Musk,
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Speaker 2: who of course has employed Linda Yakarino's chief executive of X.
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Speaker 2: So whilst he's always champion as being the savior of
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Speaker 2: free speech, so she was very patent in saying that
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Speaker 2: whilst free speech may indeed be championed, Twitter or x
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Speaker 2: will not permit freedom of reach. So with content she
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Speaker 2: described as being lawful but awful, which in the UK
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Speaker 2: was the harmful but legal sort of part of the
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Speaker 2: Online Safety Bill as it was then leading up to
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Speaker 2: it becoming an act. This is really all pointing towards
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Speaker 2: further censship. But as I say with Phillips specifically, the link,
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Speaker 2: the critical link between disinformation and harm and how people
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Speaker 2: that are putting out disinformation are to be considered as
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Speaker 2: of course extremists putting forward harmful content. So this will
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Speaker 2: be one to watch, particularly with the Trump inaugur inauguration
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Speaker 2: on the immediate horizon.
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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, thank you for that. We will move on
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Speaker 1: and welcome Vanessa's the program. Vanessa, Welcome to the program.
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Speaker 1: And how's the last couple of weeks been? Because events
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Speaker 1: continuing to move on in the least, but not much
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Speaker 1: coverage in the Western media as far as I can.
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Speaker 3: See, no apart from their attempts, of course, to rewrite
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Speaker 3: history entirely as regards the last fourteen years of interference
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Speaker 3: by six and CIA in Syria. I do recommend that
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Speaker 3: everybody listens to the podcast for that you and I
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Speaker 3: did might because this will be very relevant in relation
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Speaker 3: to the report I'm going to put forward now, which
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Speaker 3: is basically a few updates on the circumstances surrounding the
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Speaker 3: departure of President Assad and the final fall of Damascus,
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Speaker 3: which of course led to my leaving Syria on the Sunday,
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Speaker 3: the ninth of December. Does seem a long time ago now.
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Speaker 3: So this was an interview about an hour and a
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Speaker 3: half with Kamil Sucker, who was the head of media
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Speaker 3: for the Palace for the President himself. This was given
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Speaker 3: about two days ago during which he gave a number
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Speaker 3: of details on the final days and weeks before on
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Speaker 3: the fall of Syria. So let's have a look. It
19:14
Speaker 3: was basically summarized by I think this is a UA
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Speaker 3: based journalist, so he's doing a summary. He's not actually
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Speaker 3: doing a transcript that in mind. So he says basically
19:27
Speaker 3: fascinating details about Asad's last day in this interview with
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Speaker 3: a Sad mediare his media chief and close aid Camel
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Speaker 3: Pakatos I mentioned. So let's have a look what I've
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Speaker 3: basically done. I've double checked it with a number of
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Speaker 3: people who were also closely involved with the presidential team
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Speaker 3: some of the timeline leading up to President Asad's departure.
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Speaker 3: He's apparently not one hundred percent accurate. So I've teased
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Speaker 3: out the information which basically ties in with the conversation
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Speaker 3: that we had Mike in in the fourth podcast on Syria.
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Speaker 3: So he talks about the fact that the fall of
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Speaker 3: Aleppo was very shocking for a SAD. So clearly a
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Speaker 3: Sad was not aware that all of this was going
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Speaker 3: to be happening in the very near future. Before a Leppo,
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Speaker 3: the development seemed serious, but not alarming. He had zero
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Speaker 3: expectations such a thing would happen. The army was not
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Speaker 3: mentally or logistically ready to fight in Russia, was at
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Speaker 3: the peak of its destruction in Ukraine. In the months
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Speaker 3: before the Aleppo operation. The visibility and presence of Shia
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Speaker 3: militia in Syria had been reduced, as says Blah had
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Speaker 3: received heavy blows in Lubanon and Syria was being closely
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Speaker 3: surveiled by Israel. He then goes on to say Asad
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Speaker 3: had a very specific request from Putin to personally ensure
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Speaker 3: the safety. What he's saying is a Sad specifically asked
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Speaker 3: Prutin to ensure the safety for Iranian military support in Syria,
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Speaker 3: including air supplies into Chimamme. I don't quite understand the
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Speaker 3: bit about Russia was not in a position to get
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Speaker 3: involved in Iran. Two, the Iranians told us Sad they
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Speaker 3: did not receive the signals, So despite the assurances apparently
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Speaker 3: given by Russia, Iran didn't receive the signals or assurances
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Speaker 3: from Russia that it was safe for them to fly
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Speaker 3: to Himamm, which was the Russian base on the coast
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Speaker 3: in Syria, through Iraqi airspace. A. Sad then checked with Moscow,
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Speaker 3: but he got no response. The Iranians told the Syrians.
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Speaker 3: A plane moved nonetheless from Tehran to Syria through Iraq,
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Speaker 3: but were warned by the United States that the plane
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Speaker 3: would be shot down if it continued on its way.
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Speaker 3: News reports at the time indicated that the US at
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Speaker 3: that point had struck Shia militias in Syria near the
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Speaker 3: border with Iraq, and so the plane turned around and
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Speaker 3: went back to Tehran. Then, basically, he says, Sad realized
21:54
Speaker 3: that he was in trouble when Putin would not pick
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Speaker 3: up his calls from Tuesday to Thursday, three days for
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Speaker 3: his departure from Syria. At one point, Asad was told
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Speaker 3: Putin was traveling in Belarus and wouldn't be able to
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Speaker 3: take the call. The one thing that the media director
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Speaker 3: does say in the interview is that this is not normal.
22:12
Speaker 3: Putin would be able to take the call at any
22:14
Speaker 3: time wherever he was, so this excuse seemed to be
22:17
Speaker 3: nothing more than an excuse not to pick up the
22:21
Speaker 3: phone to a SAD at this point. On Thursday, A
22:23
Speaker 3: Sad prepared a four hundred word speech, which is what
22:26
Speaker 3: I put out. Literally a day after I left Damascus
22:29
Speaker 3: that a speech was prepared which would be delivered on television.
22:33
Speaker 3: The speech had several sections, the first warning about dividing Syria,
22:37
Speaker 3: the second attacking Turkey and its dishonesty, the third urging
22:42
Speaker 3: Arab support for Syrian unity, and finally urging the Syrians
22:46
Speaker 3: to fight. It's also worth noting that at Doha, which
22:51
Speaker 3: was the end of November, Turkey, Iran and Russia had
22:55
Speaker 3: come up with a deal where ASAD would stay for
22:58
Speaker 3: six months to be basically form a transitional government which
23:02
Speaker 3: would include a coalition of current government members and members
23:08
Speaker 3: representing the various minorities inside Syria. It became clear at
23:13
Speaker 3: some point that probably Turkey renamed on this when HTS
23:18
Speaker 3: and other factions from the south entered Damascus. I think
23:22
Speaker 3: at that point it became very clear that this six
23:26
Speaker 3: month deal was not going to be fulfilled. As David
23:30
Speaker 3: Miller said on x as a result of reading this
23:33
Speaker 3: summary of the interview, in some Vashar and Syria were
23:39
Speaker 3: sold out by Putin, who cut a side deal with
23:41
Speaker 3: Turkey to ensure Russia's interests would be protected and a
23:44
Speaker 3: future ISIS run colonized and fractured Syria. We have to
23:49
Speaker 3: remember that when we see the videos of HTS Hyat
23:52
Speaker 3: teriy al Sham, very often those militants are wearing ISIS patches.
23:57
Speaker 3: That's why David's referring to them. Iranian policy makers were
24:00
Speaker 3: left blindsided and were without either the time or the
24:03
Speaker 3: air support to help protect Syria's sovereignty against the ISIS
24:07
Speaker 3: hoards and their Turkish backers. The Zionist strategy of constant
24:12
Speaker 3: air strikes on Syria over several years, with Russian complicity
24:16
Speaker 3: and without a response from the resistance created the opportunities
24:20
Speaker 3: the Zionist needed. The US, Turkey and the GCC all
24:24
Speaker 3: worked with this Zionist strategy to ensure an ISIS takeover
24:28
Speaker 3: GCC I would actually identify Kata out of that as
24:32
Speaker 3: the primary player. Interesting that as this interview was published,
24:37
Speaker 3: this also came out causes of the collapse of the
24:40
Speaker 3: Syrian government, disclosure by General brus Esparti, one of the
24:46
Speaker 3: senior commanders of the Revolutionary Gods in Syria. Russia was
24:50
Speaker 3: one of the main factors in the collapse of Syria
24:52
Speaker 3: and Asad Russia turned off its radars so Israel could
24:56
Speaker 3: attack the intelligence headquarters in Aleppo. Russia are both deceived
25:01
Speaker 3: as sad and betrayed Iran. Strong words. All Russian actions
25:05
Speaker 3: after October the seventh were to serve Israeli interests. Also
25:10
Speaker 3: very strong words and I just want to play. This
25:12
Speaker 3: was an interview given by Giolani, the head of the
25:16
Speaker 3: transitional HTS government into Moscows.
25:21
Speaker 4: I'm at.
25:24
Speaker 5: Wai agakdith and and Montero or velaso aar my bad,
25:37
Speaker 5: the kind of walker Leanna halk Hotel and Iran is
25:47
Speaker 5: una troupeasli so they have my work of sore Iran,
26:04
Speaker 5: while st Rossi and the left Land and Albani that
26:12
Speaker 5: fell americiaan al a minute al Monte and Mamela well
26:31
Speaker 5: a minute, I'm not Wadelic I call well, I'm not
26:39
Speaker 5: call me Lisori.
26:42
Speaker 1: Al Mont.
26:46
Speaker 3: So what he's basically saying is that the HDS operation.
26:50
Speaker 3: We have to remember that Jolani canceled the first HDS attack,
26:55
Speaker 3: which was about one month prior, was effectively to derail
26:59
Speaker 3: the resistance of against Israel and to protect the Gulf States,
27:03
Speaker 3: allowing them to normalize relations with Israel in the future.
27:07
Speaker 3: And if we want to hear the quiet agenda spoken
27:13
Speaker 3: out loud, we can always turn to Trump.
27:18
Speaker 6: Turkey's been after that country in different names and different
27:21
Speaker 6: forms and shapes for two thousand years. Those people that
27:26
Speaker 6: went in from Turkey, and President Erduwan is a friend
27:30
Speaker 6: of mine. He's a guy I like respect. I think
27:33
Speaker 6: he respects me. Also, he's the one that didn't go
27:36
Speaker 6: after certain people after I requested that he not. You
27:39
Speaker 6: know who I'm talking about the Kurds. I don't know
27:41
Speaker 6: how long that's going because their natural enemies, they hate
27:44
Speaker 6: each other. But he didn't do that yet and he
27:49
Speaker 6: didn't do it in the past. Also, he started and
27:51
Speaker 6: I said, please don't do that, and he didn't do it. So,
27:55
Speaker 6: but if you look at what happened with Syria, Russia
27:59
Speaker 6: was weakened, Ran was weakened, and he's a very smart
28:04
Speaker 6: guy and he sent his people.
28:11
Speaker 4: Well.
28:12
Speaker 3: I don't think I need to add to that. As
28:13
Speaker 3: I say, Trump does generally say things out loud that
28:16
Speaker 3: should be kept by the intellegence agencies.
28:20
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28:24
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29:41
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29:45
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29:48
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29:52
Speaker 1: But of course the story doesn't stack up, it has
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30:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's incredibly important to highlight this story again
30:05
Speaker 3: because of course what is Western media now inside Syria
30:08
Speaker 3: doing the rewriting the history and revising the evidence that
30:12
Speaker 3: demonstrated the MI six CIA interference since twenty eleven, and
30:17
Speaker 3: a major part of that were a chemical attacks. So
30:20
Speaker 3: it's very important that ap Peers highlights the Douma travesty, right, now.
30:27
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, thank you for that, and Charles, food is
30:32
Speaker 1: going to be your topic in a second.
30:33
Speaker 2: But it is absolutely we've long been talking about the
30:38
Speaker 2: sort of enduring and indeed encroaching crisis in food, food security, farming.
30:43
Speaker 2: So there's going to be an event near Exeter on Saturday,
30:47
Speaker 2: the eighteenth of January next Saturday. If it's something you
30:50
Speaker 2: are interested in terms of growing your own food and
30:53
Speaker 2: indeed sourcing food locally and all that sort of thing
30:56
Speaker 2: to protect your food supply as the year goes on,
30:59
Speaker 2: and please do take a look at that. The link
31:01
Speaker 2: for that will be in the show notes. And that
31:04
Speaker 2: leads into the next segment, which indeed does concern exactly
31:07
Speaker 2: this issue, which is of course food security. Now to
31:11
Speaker 2: be challenged by something which UK column is warning about
31:14
Speaker 2: throughout all of twenty twenty four, which was the absolute
31:18
Speaker 2: certainty that humans would be deemed to have died from
31:24
Speaker 2: what is being described as avian influenza. Now this is
31:27
Speaker 2: not absolutely the beginning of it, but this is the
31:29
Speaker 2: beginning of it. In the United States of America, announced
31:32
Speaker 2: here by the Centers for Disease Control the CDC that
31:36
Speaker 2: they've got their first H five birdflu death reported in
31:40
Speaker 2: the United States. Now they described this as being tragic,
31:45
Speaker 2: but that a death from H five N one bird
31:47
Speaker 2: flu is not unexpected because of the known potential for
31:50
Speaker 2: infection with these viruses to cause severe illness and death.
31:55
Speaker 2: And this is the point where we bang exactly the
31:58
Speaker 2: same drum that we always do, which is to say
32:01
Speaker 2: that Carrie Malis, the inventor of PCR, described very specifically
32:06
Speaker 2: that PCR can find anything that you ask it to find.
32:11
Speaker 2: So this does not prove necessarily that somebody has died
32:15
Speaker 2: of something they're ascribing to be Avian influenza H five
32:19
Speaker 2: N one. It merely confirms the existence of something they've
32:23
Speaker 2: asked it to look for as part of a close suit,
32:26
Speaker 2: a closed loop scientific process by which they're describing this
32:31
Speaker 2: particular thing as being Avian influenza. But of course this
32:35
Speaker 2: is a narrative that's been building for some time, most
32:39
Speaker 2: prominently back in twenty twenty two, and we see here
32:42
Speaker 2: a BBC article from January of that year, and almost
32:46
Speaker 2: unbelievably but perhaps not bearing in mind as a BBC
32:49
Speaker 2: they use the example of a man called Alan Gosling,
32:54
Speaker 2: who was the first to have his poultry culled humor
33:00
Speaker 2: mainly culled because he was told he was ill. But
33:02
Speaker 2: the critical part of the text here is that he
33:04
Speaker 2: was unaware he had the virus until he was advised
33:08
Speaker 2: to have a test, and of course there began the
33:11
Speaker 2: cognitive dissonance required for the rollout of exactly this sort
33:16
Speaker 2: of thing, which is driven entirely by fraudulent testing of
33:22
Speaker 2: something that may not exist in the first place. But
33:26
Speaker 2: where this does lead is to the provision via the
33:30
Speaker 2: government's contract finder of what they're calling Poultry Culling Services
33:34
Speaker 2: Framework Agreement, which is a contract that is going to
33:37
Speaker 2: be worth up to thirty million pounds. So this describes
33:40
Speaker 2: exactly what the government's intent is and reminds very much
33:44
Speaker 2: of the events of two thousand and one and slaughtered
33:46
Speaker 2: on suspicion, as covered very well by UK column, So
33:49
Speaker 2: please do look that up on the website. This is
33:51
Speaker 2: open until the twenty second of January, and this is
33:54
Speaker 2: based on these statistics, which are that when I last
33:58
Speaker 2: reported on this in December, there were eleven cases declared
34:02
Speaker 2: by the government across the whole of the United Kingdom.
34:04
Speaker 2: Not deaths, sorry, not deaths exactly. This is cases PCR
34:08
Speaker 2: driven cases. At that time DEFRA had not come back
34:12
Speaker 2: to me. They subsequently did, and one hundred and five
34:14
Speaker 2: thousand birds or thereabouts had been humanely culled. Now the
34:18
Speaker 2: calculator tells me that this is an average of nine
34:22
Speaker 2: five hundred and forty five birds killed by per one
34:28
Speaker 2: PCR case. So, as I say, on the closed loop basis,
34:32
Speaker 2: it's entirely possible that there was absolutely nothing wrong with
34:35
Speaker 2: any of these birds, and yet one hundred and five thousand,
34:38
Speaker 2: one hundred and five thousand of them then were killed. Now,
34:43
Speaker 2: the other thing to point out, because of course the
34:45
Speaker 2: goal here is manifold. We have, first of all, the
34:50
Speaker 2: massive ramp up of the sort of bisecurity specter and
34:54
Speaker 2: indeed control over movement, not just for animals but probably people.
34:58
Speaker 2: People are being asked to be fearful of all sorts
35:01
Speaker 2: of animals and people all over again. But of course
35:04
Speaker 2: the push is for the pharmaceutical industry and vaccine. So
35:07
Speaker 2: we've got here another tender for whatter called pathogen free
35:11
Speaker 2: eggs to APH. So these are for experimental purposes in
35:16
Speaker 2: order to work on the eggs themselves, but also hatchlings
35:20
Speaker 2: in order to develop pharmaceutical products one imagines for vaccinating poultry,
35:25
Speaker 2: but possibly as well as humans, although of course humans
35:28
Speaker 2: do already have a supposedly a vaccine against avian influenza.
35:34
Speaker 2: The other thing to point out about this week is
35:37
Speaker 2: that the Oxford Farming Conference and the Oxford Real Farming
35:41
Speaker 2: Conference sort of rival gatherings as it were taking place
35:45
Speaker 2: this week Steve Read, the Environment Minister is to speak today.
35:50
Speaker 2: I believe and no doubt this will be a familiar
35:53
Speaker 2: narrative of the peril that we face from climate change
35:58
Speaker 2: and therefore how we should balance food security with environmental measures.
36:02
Speaker 2: And it was just about a year ago that Steve
36:04
Speaker 2: Barclay sat the wheels in motion, or at least the
36:06
Speaker 2: wheels in motion to come off later in the year
36:08
Speaker 2: with the enormous increase in uncropped arable land going up
36:11
Speaker 2: one hundred and seven percent and leaving the UK with
36:14
Speaker 2: an increasing population and a decreasing supply of food. So
36:18
Speaker 2: there is very real reason to be concerned at least
36:21
Speaker 2: about the scarcity of food as it's likely to be
36:24
Speaker 2: particularly bearing in mind the environmental conditions at the moment,
36:27
Speaker 2: with the extraordinary swings between very cold and then very
36:30
Speaker 2: wet weather. So harvests for the coming year, probably looking
36:34
Speaker 2: challenged already, and this would be the point to remind
36:36
Speaker 2: you that it was exactly what we were on eighty
36:43
Speaker 2: four years ago, since rationing began in the United Kingdom. Now,
36:47
Speaker 2: of course, rationing was accepted because people believed the state
36:52
Speaker 2: that they were in being one of emergency. Now, bearing
36:55
Speaker 2: mind we've just been talking about bird flu in humans,
36:58
Speaker 2: it does not need a huge amount more applfication to
37:02
Speaker 2: suggest that a state of emergency could indeed be brought about.
37:05
Speaker 2: And rationing at that point lasted for fourteen years. So
37:08
Speaker 2: that's just a parting thought to consider.
37:11
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, No, Vanessa, let's come back to Syria
37:15
Speaker 1: and what is next. Are we going to see the
37:17
Speaker 1: borganization of the country.
37:20
Speaker 3: It certainly looks that way, But also this so called
37:23
Speaker 3: transitional government that was only supposed to be very temporary. However,
37:28
Speaker 3: Jolani has now said that new elections could take up
37:31
Speaker 3: to four years, and people on the ground have said
37:34
Speaker 3: to me, basically that's because he has about a five
37:37
Speaker 3: percent popularity rating and so he's desperate to increase that
37:41
Speaker 3: and retain power. Then also he's saying that there will
37:46
Speaker 3: be a three year delay on bringing through a new constitution. However,
37:51
Speaker 3: as the BBC reported, the UK Government increased sanctions against
37:56
Speaker 3: President a Sad. Of course that was coercive punishment meathod
38:01
Speaker 3: measures against the Syrian people collectively, not only against a SAD.
38:05
Speaker 3: Otherwise I would argue what's the point of lifting sanctions now?
38:08
Speaker 3: If a sadest is gone, then surely the sanctions should end.
38:13
Speaker 3: But of course they are still in place against the
38:17
Speaker 3: Syrian people to make sure that they toe the line
38:20
Speaker 3: so effectively because a SAD wouldn't push through the constitutional
38:24
Speaker 3: reforms that the UK government wanted. Sanctions were increased about
38:29
Speaker 3: a year or so ago. Now, I just want to
38:31
Speaker 3: show a quick video which is, let's say, an example
38:36
Speaker 3: of the violence that's being meted out against particularly Alohite
38:40
Speaker 3: but also Christian communities in side Syria. It's a relatively
38:45
Speaker 3: mild version of it, but it's an ongoing issue inside
38:50
Speaker 3: Syria right now. So if we can just play this well,
39:33
Speaker 3: bear in mind the pretext for this brutality is simply
39:36
Speaker 3: that they are regime remnants in quotation marks, so it
39:39
Speaker 3: can apply to anyone, and there are summary executions going on,
39:43
Speaker 3: as I said, on a daily if not on an
39:45
Speaker 3: hourly basis. Let's have a look at the HTS so
39:48
Speaker 3: called defense minister. His name is Moha, however he has
39:54
Speaker 3: various other names, including Hassan. His qualifications twenty premeditated murders,
40:01
Speaker 3: fifteen on robbery, twenty amputations, one hundred and fifty cases
40:05
Speaker 3: of killing she ites, Christians and atheists, fighting infidels, fifteen
40:11
Speaker 3: cases of stoning to the ten rape cases, sex with captives,
40:16
Speaker 3: and that's in idlab. And if we just play a
40:19
Speaker 3: video of him destroying a statue of Mary, I'm not
40:26
Speaker 3: one hundred percent certain weathers is, but it will obviously
40:29
Speaker 3: be in a Christian community.
40:37
Speaker 4: Leno your mind, Well then.
40:43
Speaker 1: Well then you left none of that.
40:50
Speaker 2: What do you.
40:56
Speaker 6: Marry you?
41:00
Speaker 3: And then basically images have emerged showing Syria's newly appointed
41:05
Speaker 3: Justice Minister, Shadhi Mohammad Alawaisi, overseeing the execution of two
41:09
Speaker 3: women back in twenty fifteen in a lib I'm not
41:13
Speaker 3: going to show the video, but it's readily available online.
41:18
Speaker 3: And the excuse from HDS was that this was a
41:22
Speaker 3: previous phase in hds's existence. So apparently these kind of
41:28
Speaker 3: executions are not ongoing, which of course they are. But
41:31
Speaker 3: then let's just have a look at a map of
41:33
Speaker 3: Syria showing how it has potentially been carved up. And
41:37
Speaker 3: of course I mentioned the fact that there had been
41:40
Speaker 3: a deal including President Aside staying for six months, and
41:45
Speaker 3: also he asked for guarantees that Damascus, Homs, Tatusa, and
41:49
Speaker 3: Latakia would be a short safety, and of course they
41:53
Speaker 3: are not a short safety. HTS is carrying out the
41:57
Speaker 3: majority of its revel killings and assassinations in the red
42:03
Speaker 3: area that you can see there that should have been
42:05
Speaker 3: a short safety by Turkey, and obviously it hasn't. But
42:09
Speaker 3: you can see clearly the green center there is HTS
42:12
Speaker 3: or Turkey and katoas so the Muslim brotherhood connection there,
42:19
Speaker 3: the yellow is the Kurdish, which is basically US and Israel,
42:23
Speaker 3: going down to the Druze also in the south, which
42:26
Speaker 3: would also be Israel and the United States. And the
42:30
Speaker 3: red there of course is the so called regime remnants,
42:34
Speaker 3: which as I said, is far from being safe. But
42:36
Speaker 3: let's have a look at why this particular area would
42:40
Speaker 3: be interesting to both the US and to Israel and Turkey,
42:45
Speaker 3: because effectively, in the central area and in the northeast
42:49
Speaker 3: you can see the majority of the oil fields, the
42:52
Speaker 3: gas fields, the oil pipelines, and the gas pipelines. I've
42:56
Speaker 3: also circled the coastal area because that includes the unexp
43:00
Speaker 3: lord so far gas reserves off the coast of Syria.
43:04
Speaker 3: Why is that important because right now Turkey is pushing
43:07
Speaker 3: basically for the maritime agreement with HTS, which is interesting
43:12
Speaker 3: because they obviously have their eye on the gas reserves
43:16
Speaker 3: off the coastal area of Syria.
43:20
Speaker 2: And why is this.
43:21
Speaker 3: Important because this indicates again I wouldn't say laying blame
43:28
Speaker 3: at Russia, but this was from twenty thirteen from the
43:32
Speaker 3: Washington Institute. At December twenty five, are court signed between
43:37
Speaker 3: Syria and Russia allows for the exploration and drilling in
43:40
Speaker 3: an area off the Syrian coast for oil or natural gas,
43:44
Speaker 3: which if discovered, the state controlled Russian group who's use
43:48
Speaker 3: nibble something gas will have a controlling interest for twenty
43:52
Speaker 3: five years. So basically they would invest fifteen million for
43:58
Speaker 3: surveying costs and another twenty five million for initial drilling.
44:01
Speaker 3: This never happened, so Russia never actually went through with
44:05
Speaker 3: the exploration of the gas reserves. Now it looks like
44:09
Speaker 3: Turkey's going to steal the March, and if it succeeds
44:12
Speaker 3: in making the maritime deal with HTS, potentially it then
44:17
Speaker 3: has control of those gas reserves and the central hydrocryb
44:22
Speaker 3: and reserves.
44:23
Speaker 1: Also thank you for NASA. Where does that take us?
44:30
Speaker 1: Legislation Legislation backs as the UK, then back.
44:33
Speaker 2: To the UK, and the Stom regime has now been
44:35
Speaker 2: rolling on for six months and that means that there's
44:38
Speaker 2: been quite a bit of legislation queuing up and therefore
44:42
Speaker 2: a certain amount to be pushed out as the year
44:46
Speaker 2: goes on. And obviously there's far too much to cover,
44:48
Speaker 2: but I've just brought out a few bits of it,
44:50
Speaker 2: some which goes back to late last year. But one
44:53
Speaker 2: thing that's being mentioned with increasing frequency now is the
44:56
Speaker 2: forthcoming Crime and Policing Bill. Back in November, the Home
45:01
Speaker 2: Office put out a note about what are called respect
45:05
Speaker 2: orders now they are supposedly to be dealing with antisocial
45:10
Speaker 2: behavior and with those who are bringing misery to communities.
45:15
Speaker 2: So I'll leave you to consider who might be bringing
45:18
Speaker 2: misery to communities. But the government, funnily enough, have individuals
45:22
Speaker 2: in mind, and for as far as adults concern, this
45:24
Speaker 2: is ready to replace what were civil injunctions. They can
45:27
Speaker 2: be applied by police or local authorities. And there's critically
45:32
Speaker 2: here that, like many of these sorts of orders, whilst
45:36
Speaker 2: they place very serious restrictions on people's behaviors and lives
45:40
Speaker 2: in that they might be banned exclusively from a particular area,
45:44
Speaker 2: or they might even have gosofar as to have to
45:46
Speaker 2: have mandatory rehabilitation of the particular behaviors that have been
45:50
Speaker 2: deemed antisocial, but there's no requirement for a conviction for
45:55
Speaker 2: such an order to be put in place, and of
45:58
Speaker 2: course a breach of the order could lead to a
46:00
Speaker 2: two year prison sentence. It's entirely subjective, like so much
46:04
Speaker 2: this legislation, who decides what constitutes anti social behavior with
46:09
Speaker 2: particular reference to these respect orders, But they are to
46:12
Speaker 2: become part of this Crime and Policing Bill which due
46:16
Speaker 2: to be pushed out over the spring of this year.
46:18
Speaker 2: There are also perplexingly unlimited fines which bear in mind
46:22
Speaker 2: the demographic who are largely associated with anti social behavior.
46:26
Speaker 2: Makes one wonder what the purpose of that would be
46:29
Speaker 2: other than to completely ruin people's lives, But of course
46:32
Speaker 2: this is the element of pre crime. Effectively adjoins the
46:35
Speaker 2: ranks of the Public Spaces Protection Order, where we had
46:38
Speaker 2: the ban on silent prayer, the Knife Crime Protection Order,
46:43
Speaker 2: the Serious Violent Reduction Order where though again similarly was
46:46
Speaker 2: no requirement for a conviction for knife crime, for something
46:50
Speaker 2: to be stuck on your back and enable police to
46:53
Speaker 2: search you at will with absolutely no evidence of any wrongdoing.
46:57
Speaker 2: So this is the direction of travel for for want
47:00
Speaker 2: of a better phrase. Now, the other thing that is
47:04
Speaker 2: due to be coming up in this bill, which was
47:07
Speaker 2: debated in the House on the sixth of January in
47:11
Speaker 2: a debate on child exploitation and abuse, is exactly what
47:15
Speaker 2: Mike has referred to slightly earlier in the program. But
47:19
Speaker 2: just to go through that quote again, she says that
47:21
Speaker 2: I can confirm that we will make it mandatory to
47:23
Speaker 2: report abuse and put the measures in this bill, the
47:26
Speaker 2: Crime and Policing Bill, and to make it an offense
47:28
Speaker 2: with professional and criminal sanctions. So the reason I'm drawing
47:32
Speaker 2: those particular parts out from this act is that they
47:35
Speaker 2: overlay onto the children's well being in School's Bill, which
47:39
Speaker 2: again Mike's already touched on and was referred to by
47:41
Speaker 2: Diane mccaddy in the program on Monday. But the important
47:45
Speaker 2: thing to come out of here is this crossover here
47:47
Speaker 2: with this mandating or indeed the duty to safe to
47:53
Speaker 2: share safeguarding information. Now there's been a consistent failure across
47:57
Speaker 2: the board for this to have happened. But what I
48:01
Speaker 2: want to draw your attention to is this idea that
48:04
Speaker 2: there is a duty to share information and indeed how
48:06
Speaker 2: it's enforced or what it may be subject to. And
48:11
Speaker 2: the critical section here says, but the duty imposed by
48:13
Speaker 2: subsection two, which is the duty to inform, does not
48:17
Speaker 2: apply if the relevant person considers that the disclosure would
48:21
Speaker 2: be more detrimental to the child than not disclosing the information.
48:25
Speaker 2: And I'm not dismissing out of hand that there may
48:27
Speaker 2: be situations in which it is very hard to be
48:31
Speaker 2: sure that in disclosing something you are not putting somebody
48:33
Speaker 2: at risk, and of course there are many other situations
48:35
Speaker 2: in life where this could be the case. But more
48:38
Speaker 2: than likely this is really just going to be a
48:40
Speaker 2: get of jail free card. And whilst we consider people
48:44
Speaker 2: that have had a few of those over the last
48:46
Speaker 2: few years, the Archbishop of Canterbury as he was, of course,
48:50
Speaker 2: is absolutely the prime example of how the establishment fails
48:55
Speaker 2: to deal with its own and symbolically here all he
48:59
Speaker 2: has to do is place a wooden walking stick on
49:02
Speaker 2: the ground and that's it for him, of course, having
49:04
Speaker 2: failed over many years to deal with horrific abuses, and
49:09
Speaker 2: exactly like Mike said earlier in the News, the church
49:12
Speaker 2: has in effect just completely turned its back on this
49:14
Speaker 2: and it looks very much like it will carry on
49:17
Speaker 2: being business as usual.
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Speaker 6: Now.
49:20
Speaker 2: The other piece of legislation to have a quick look at,
49:23
Speaker 2: bearing in mind its enormous profits from wind turbines or
49:30
Speaker 2: wind renewable energy from last year, is the Crown Estate Bill. Now,
49:35
Speaker 2: the Crown State was incorporated back in nineteen sixty one
49:39
Speaker 2: by the chron Estate Act, and what they're seeking to
49:43
Speaker 2: do now is to change it, effectively enabling a different structure,
49:49
Speaker 2: specifically with regard to borrowing and investing. And this is
49:53
Speaker 2: something that hasn't been enabled before because there have been
49:57
Speaker 2: restrictions on it. One might say, quite right, so, but
50:01
Speaker 2: the specific text says that they'll have a broader power
50:04
Speaker 2: to borrow, subject to Treasury consent. And this is where
50:08
Speaker 2: it becomes more interesting because while of course the Crown
50:10
Speaker 2: of State belongs in effect to the King because it's
50:14
Speaker 2: been incorporated that the profits from it are paid into
50:18
Speaker 2: the Treasury's Consolidated Fund. Now consolidated Fund goes back to
50:22
Speaker 2: seventeen eighty seven and was described then as being one
50:25
Speaker 2: fund into which shall flow every stream of public revenue,
50:30
Speaker 2: and from which shall come the supply of every service. Now,
50:35
Speaker 2: in suggesting the changes that they are with the Crown
50:38
Speaker 2: Estate Bill, this is a fundamental upset of that principle
50:42
Speaker 2: because in nineteen sixty eight the National Loans Act gave
50:45
Speaker 2: us the National Loans Fund from which the government may
50:48
Speaker 2: borrow and lend. Both are administered by the Treasury and
50:53
Speaker 2: the bank accounts are maintained by the Bank of England.
50:56
Speaker 2: So it's all complicated to a certain extent. But what
50:59
Speaker 2: this might enable is what could be regarded as a
51:04
Speaker 2: sort of money laundering system because in seeking in government language,
51:10
Speaker 2: to modernize the Crown State by removing these limitations, and
51:14
Speaker 2: they say that this would otherwise restrict its long term
51:16
Speaker 2: viability if they don't. But particularly they're talking about energy security,
51:21
Speaker 2: and I say again that last year they recouped to
51:24
Speaker 2: one point one billion pound profit. Now, of course, because
51:29
Speaker 2: their a corporation, it's up to them to manage what
51:33
Speaker 2: constitutes or at least what profit they are left with
51:36
Speaker 2: at the end of the year. However, if the commissioners
51:39
Speaker 2: do borrow from the Treasury or they borrow from elsewhere
51:42
Speaker 2: with Treasury consent, especially with public infrastructure in mind, then
51:48
Speaker 2: what they're doing is they're borrowing from the National Loan
51:52
Speaker 2: Fund as opposed to the Consolidated Fund, which means that
51:54
Speaker 2: taxpayer money is coming out to a corporation which may
51:59
Speaker 2: be you used for whatever purpose, and it's up to
52:03
Speaker 2: the incorporated entity that is the Crown of State to
52:07
Speaker 2: declare what profit they have. After that, of course they
52:10
Speaker 2: have to repay, but it looks very much like they'll
52:14
Speaker 2: be repaying into the part of the treasury that is
52:17
Speaker 2: not for the provision of public services. So this is
52:21
Speaker 2: a fundamental change to what the Crown of State is
52:24
Speaker 2: supposed to do, which is supposed to raise revenue for
52:26
Speaker 2: the Consolidated Fund for the use of public services. And
52:30
Speaker 2: this would allow not just for a fundamental shift in
52:34
Speaker 2: this but also the double whammy effect of probably most
52:39
Speaker 2: likely bearing in mind what happened last year, an uplift
52:42
Speaker 2: in investment in offshore wind and other renewable energy platforms,
52:48
Speaker 2: which of course, are heavily subsidized by the taxpayer, So
52:50
Speaker 2: yet another tranch of public money going straight towards the
52:54
Speaker 2: Crown of state and into their pockets. And of course
52:56
Speaker 2: no great prize. But a review of salaries was also
53:00
Speaker 2: mentioned in the bill.
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Speaker 1: Yes, well, we'll keep an eye on that. Are you
53:04
Speaker 1: saying any change? Is this change agenda or is this
53:07
Speaker 1: acceleration of continue?
53:10
Speaker 2: I think? A change of pace? I think, And perhaps
53:13
Speaker 2: one's trying to imagine these sorts of things are at
53:16
Speaker 2: the beginning of a new year, but especially on the
53:19
Speaker 2: legislation front, it does seem like things are picking up.
53:21
Speaker 2: But a change of direction now, a change of pace possibly, Yes.
53:25
Speaker 1: Well, everybody will know I'm sure by now that Nick
53:29
Speaker 1: Clegg has resigned from Facebook, and the question was why now?
53:35
Speaker 1: And perhaps we get a clue as to why now
53:37
Speaker 1: because he's been replaced by someone who is much more
53:41
Speaker 1: trumpest in his approach. Perhaps, but following the departure of
53:45
Speaker 1: Nick Clegg, who's been a very much proponent of censorship
53:49
Speaker 1: on Facebook, Fibook is now claiming to be wanted to
53:54
Speaker 1: ease the censorship burden that we have all faced over
53:58
Speaker 1: the last period of time. And while the wonderful. Mark
54:02
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg had a couple of things to say about it.
54:04
Speaker 1: Let's just look at a manage or so of what
54:06
Speaker 1: he said.
54:08
Speaker 7: Hey, everyone, I want to talk about something important today
54:12
Speaker 7: because it's time to get back to our roots around
54:14
Speaker 7: free expression on Facebook and Instagram. I started building social
54:18
Speaker 7: media to give people a voice. I gave a speech
54:20
Speaker 7: at Georgetown five years ago about the importance of protecting
54:23
Speaker 7: free expression, and I still believe this today. But a
54:27
Speaker 7: lot has happened over the last several years. There's been
54:30
Speaker 7: widespread debate about potential harms from online content. Governments and
54:34
Speaker 7: legacy media have pushed to censor more and more. A
54:38
Speaker 7: lot of this is clearly political, but there's also a
54:40
Speaker 7: lot of legitimately bad stuff out there. Drugs, terrorism, child exploitation.
54:45
Speaker 7: These are things that we take very seriously and I
54:48
Speaker 7: want to make sure that we handle responsibly. So we
54:50
Speaker 7: built a lot of complex systems to moderate content. But
54:54
Speaker 7: the problem with complex systems is they make mistakes. Even
54:57
Speaker 7: if they accidentally censor just one percent of posts, that's
55:01
Speaker 7: millions of people. And we've reached a point where it's
55:04
Speaker 7: just too many mistakes in too much censorship.
55:09
Speaker 1: So if you've stopped laughing by now, then we'll we'll
55:12
Speaker 1: talk about what he said next, which was basically a
55:15
Speaker 1: recognition that the ground is shifting under his fate, that
55:17
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is arriving and he needs to sort of
55:20
Speaker 1: reset relations with the forthcoming presidency, and he's worried that
55:25
Speaker 1: Trump is going to basically sanction Facebook in some way.
55:30
Speaker 1: So they are moving forward with this claim that they
55:33
Speaker 1: are removing significant parts of the censorship regime, which includes
55:39
Speaker 1: removing the fact checkers. And well, of course, in the UK,
55:43
Speaker 1: Facebook gives three hundred to four hundred thousand pounds a
55:48
Speaker 1: year or so the Full Fact for running the fact
55:52
Speaker 1: checking service on its platform in the UK. This is
55:55
Speaker 1: what full Fact had to say about Meda's decision. Meda's
55:58
Speaker 1: decision to end as partnership with fact Checkers in the
56:01
Speaker 1: US is disappointing in a backward step that risks a
56:04
Speaker 1: chilling effect around the world. From safeguarding elections to protecting
56:08
Speaker 1: public health to dissipating potential unrest on the streets. Fact
56:12
Speaker 1: checkers are the first responders in the information environment, so
56:16
Speaker 1: they are the white helmets of Facebook in this case.
56:21
Speaker 1: And we got the color wrong there, but anyway, locking
56:24
Speaker 1: fact checkers out of the conversation won't help society to
56:27
Speaker 1: turn the tide on rapidly rising misinformation, says Chris Morris,
56:32
Speaker 1: the chief executive Full fact And the important point here
56:35
Speaker 1: is that this situation, it only applies in the United States,
56:39
Speaker 1: It doesn't apply in the United Kingdom, doesn't apply in
56:41
Speaker 1: the EU, where the regimes are somewhat different. And Facebook
56:46
Speaker 1: is going to be moving to the model that X
56:49
Speaker 1: has been running for a little bit of time now,
56:51
Speaker 1: which is the idea that the big community posts put
56:55
Speaker 1: under content which is viewed as being somehow controversial. So,
57:02
Speaker 1: of course the UK columns still locked out of Facebook. Vanessa,
57:06
Speaker 1: I believe you're still locked out of Facebook as that correct?
57:09
Speaker 3: Yep, definitely.
57:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, well maybe maybe we'll see all this situation change,
57:14
Speaker 1: just as we did with Twitter and so many cases
57:17
Speaker 1: after Mosque took over. But look, the other thing that
57:20
Speaker 1: I want to highlight on the censorship agenda is the
57:23
Speaker 1: situation with David Ike. Because let's bring some Dutch media
57:28
Speaker 1: on screen here. We'll do a quick translation of this.
57:32
Speaker 1: The headline from the from true apologies. I don't know
57:37
Speaker 1: how to pronounce that, but anyway, from this media, I
57:39
Speaker 1: led in the Netherlands is David Ike is not allowed
57:41
Speaker 1: to address protesters via large screen and basically he was
57:46
Speaker 1: invited to speak at an event in dam Square a
57:52
Speaker 1: week or so ago, and he was not allowed to
57:54
Speaker 1: do that because the Mayor of Amsterdam decided that he
57:59
Speaker 1: should not be allowed to be brought in remotely and
58:03
Speaker 1: shown on a large screen. So the mayor sent a
58:08
Speaker 1: letter to the event organizers. She said that only speakers
58:11
Speaker 1: physically president at the demonstration would be allowed to speak
58:15
Speaker 1: or to use the PA system. She said that she
58:20
Speaker 1: was worried about spontaneous counter protests sparked by Ike's participation,
58:26
Speaker 1: considering the unrest and protests his anti Semitic views and
58:30
Speaker 1: past statements have caused, his online presence would only provoke
58:34
Speaker 1: similar responses this time. Now, this follows the renewal of
58:39
Speaker 1: the travel ban which is placed on David Ike by
58:41
Speaker 1: the Dutch courts in November twenty twenty two, so this
58:44
Speaker 1: is three years now of banning. So although this has
58:48
Speaker 1: been a band that's been imposed by the Dutch courts,
58:51
Speaker 1: it applies to the entire Schengen area, so he's not
58:53
Speaker 1: allowed to travel basically anywhere in the EU, and that
58:58
Speaker 1: ban was renewed following a on the twenty seventh of December. Now,
59:03
Speaker 1: according to the court, Ike's basically is accused of saying
59:11
Speaker 1: very naughty things, asserting that politicians orchestrated COVID nineteen pandemic
59:16
Speaker 1: as part of a broader agenda, undermined. He's undermined democratic
59:20
Speaker 1: institutions apparently, and he could inside violent resistance and of
59:25
Speaker 1: course supported by the various organizations like the National Coordinator
59:32
Speaker 1: for Anti Semitism Prevention. He's accused of pushing forward old
59:36
Speaker 1: anti Semitic narratives repackaged in a modern form. So look,
59:43
Speaker 1: he posted on his Instagram the statement that he made
59:47
Speaker 1: to the court. I've just got to play a minute
59:51
Speaker 1: or so of that. It's worth listening to the whole thing.
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Speaker 4: I am banned from the virtual entirety of Europe. I
1:00:00
Speaker 4: cannot speak in any of those countries for the crime
1:00:04
Speaker 4: of agreeing to come to the Netherlands two years ago
1:00:07
Speaker 4: and speak at a peace rally calling for peace. And
1:00:12
Speaker 4: on the basis of that, I have been unable to
1:00:17
Speaker 4: enter Europe ever since. And what this comes down to,
1:00:21
Speaker 4: I won't abuse my vocal cords of responding said this
1:00:24
Speaker 4: any longer. But what this comes down to is this,
1:00:28
Speaker 4: either the judiciary of the Netherlands is there to protect
1:00:35
Speaker 4: the people from the abuse of power of the government
1:00:40
Speaker 4: as a check and balance, or it is there, and
1:00:44
Speaker 4: that's been my experience in the last two years, it
1:00:47
Speaker 4: is there to do what the government wants done. And
1:00:52
Speaker 4: if that's the case, the Netherlands is no longer a
1:00:56
Speaker 4: liberal democracy. It is a tyranny, quite demand constrably, and
1:01:01
Speaker 4: I would say this to finish. I have been accused
1:01:04
Speaker 4: in these cases by these government lawyers pel Ricken of
1:01:10
Speaker 4: being a threat to democracy. I may not have to
1:01:16
Speaker 4: remind the court that the Netherlands currently has a prime
1:01:20
Speaker 4: minister in Dick Skoff, who is unelected and has never
1:01:25
Speaker 4: seen a ballot box in his life, a former head
1:01:27
Speaker 4: of Dutch intelligence, and I am a threat to democracy.
1:01:33
Speaker 4: It's a joke. The whole thing is a joke and
1:01:36
Speaker 4: should be seen as such.
1:01:38
Speaker 1: I have nothing more to say, and I struggle to
1:01:42
Speaker 1: disagree with anything and that's him. And so, no matter
1:01:45
Speaker 1: what do you think about David Ike, it is incredible
1:01:48
Speaker 1: that we have a situation with someone who has committed
1:01:51
Speaker 1: no criminal offense, is unable to travel in the whole
1:01:55
Speaker 1: of Europe because somebody is claiming that he has antisemitic views,
1:01:59
Speaker 1: which I think is stretching things beyond credibility. But anyway,
1:02:04
Speaker 1: we'll talk more about this in extra in a couple
1:02:06
Speaker 1: of minutes. We have to leave it there for today.
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Speaker 1: Thanks to everyone for joining us, Thank you to Vanessa
1:02:11
Speaker 1: and Charles, and we'll see it in a few minutes.
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Speaker 1: If your UK call a member, just stay on the
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Speaker 1: stream and we'll be back in a few minutes. As
1:02:17
Speaker 1: we say see you, then we're back.
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Speaker 3: Ike