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College Football's Biggest Problem Isn't What You Think, Brendan Sorsby Update & MORE · Unafraid Show with George Wrighster

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 2: Today, we are going to understand the College Football Playoff Committee,
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  Speaker 2: talk to a former College Football Playoff Committee member and
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  Speaker 2: get all the juicy details, and then we are going
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  Speaker 2: to build our own perfect college Football Playoff Committee. Texas
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  Speaker 2: Tech they are digging in on the Sowarsby situation and
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  Speaker 2: giving ridiculous comparisons that we don't want to hear nothing
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  Speaker 2: about college football world. They are reacting and Big twelve
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  Speaker 2: leadership they are venting and potentially staging a boycott of
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  Speaker 2: Texas Deck. There have been rumors going around saying that
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  Speaker 2: Delaware on NCAA twenty twenty six that they earn twelve
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  Speaker 2: million dollars in royalties. And this is an episode of
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  Speaker 2: MythBusters basically two four seven they drop their five star
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  Speaker 2: rankings and it is updated and now you have some
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  Speaker 2: fan bases that are super mad, conspiracy theories going wild.
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  Speaker 1: That is so much more.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get to it.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna get to the entire College Football Playoff Committee
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  Speaker 2: thing that I promised you, But first we got to
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  Speaker 2: deal with the college football news. But before that, the
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  Speaker 2: best thing that I saw today. So football is coming
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  Speaker 2: up and it is the World Cup. And if you
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  Speaker 2: have not followed this dude on Twitter at Freddie la seven,
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  Speaker 2: this is a dude from Germany, allegedly because we haven't
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  Speaker 2: seen his face, but everything.
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  Speaker 1: Points to that.
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  Speaker 2: And he is discovering America through traveling around the country
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  Speaker 2: and he made a stop at Auburn State and he
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  Speaker 2: understands how much college football is like European soccer. If
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  Speaker 2: you've never been to a European soccer matcher, know anybody
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  Speaker 2: who has, you know that it goes up. And Auburn
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  Speaker 2: took it there and they showed them from American hospitality
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  Speaker 2: and how college football is honestly the closest thing to
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  Speaker 2: European soccer that there is, and the best fans live here.
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  Speaker 2: That's the best thing that I saw today. Now, those
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  Speaker 2: same fans, they do crazy things. And this has to
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  Speaker 2: do with Texas Tech, because Texas Tech is digging in
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  Speaker 2: on the Brendan Soresby situation and it is only getting
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  Speaker 2: worse because it just shows that as a society, we
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  Speaker 2: don't have any standards and the special circumstances that they
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  Speaker 2: trump all the morals or when it shows up at
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  Speaker 2: our doorstep and like this is like everybody gets a
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  Speaker 2: trophy participation culture because but sometimes I tell my kids
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  Speaker 2: this all the time. Some times you need to go
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  Speaker 2: home crying. Sometimes your feelings need to get hurt. And
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  Speaker 2: this whole Brendan Soresby will be irreparably armed thing. Texas
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  Speaker 2: Tech digging in on it, it only makes it worse.
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  Speaker 2: And they're athletic director. He just up the ending and
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna show you what he said in just a minute.
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  Speaker 2: Texas Tech, though, they are in an impossible spot because
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  Speaker 2: if they don't support Brendan Soresby, how does that make
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  Speaker 2: the program?
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  Speaker 1: Look?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, they didn't have the back of somebody who you
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  Speaker 2: know that they clearly wanted for five million dollars. But
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  Speaker 2: does it mean that they wouldn't have his back or
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  Speaker 2: does that mean that they're now condoning bad behavior. I
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  Speaker 2: believe that Texas Tech that they wanted the courts to
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  Speaker 2: do the right thing rule him ineligible, so then they
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  Speaker 2: wash their hands of the situation.
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  Speaker 1: But now that.
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  Speaker 2: He's eligible, what do you do because Brendan, you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: have to pay Brendan Soresby five million dollars if he's eligible,
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  Speaker 2: because you agreed to do that. If he's ineligible, now
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  Speaker 2: you're not on the hook for that five million dollars.
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  Speaker 2: So that definitely impacts their decision making as well. But
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  Speaker 2: their athletic director, Kirby hokm Oh his statement, which has
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  Speaker 2: over three million Twitter impressions, it makes you want to
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  Speaker 2: throw things, he said. I've heard the word quote integrity
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  Speaker 2: used a great deal in the last forty eight hours,
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  Speaker 2: and as someone who has dedicated his career to college sports,
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  Speaker 2: I too believe in integrity essential to our industry's success.
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  Speaker 2: Also think integrity appears on more than one front. Integrity
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  Speaker 2: of the sport matter, so does integrity of how we
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  Speaker 2: treat a twenty two year old who sought help enter
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  Speaker 2: residential treatment and is working every day toward recovery. Those
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  Speaker 2: two things don't have to be in conflict. Talked about
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  Speaker 2: his sons, then he says, let me be clear, if
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  Speaker 2: he's eligible, he's playing. He understands everybody's frustration, but basically,
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  Speaker 2: go suck it. It's one of those situation where we
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  Speaker 2: don't want Brendan Soresby to feel bad like he shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: have any consequences to his actions. I can attest to
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  Speaker 2: this as a person in real life that sometimes going
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  Speaker 2: home and crying and have hard things happen to you
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  Speaker 2: is the best thing for you. Prime example, when I
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  Speaker 2: was in college, my red shirt freshman year, Oregon plays
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  Speaker 2: against Texas in the Holiday Ball. We had had a
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  Speaker 2: good season, program on the rise. We beat Texas, Major
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  Speaker 2: Apple White, all of that stuff. Everybody in the whole
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  Speaker 2: program is excited. We're down in San Diego. They turn
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  Speaker 2: the lights in the stadium out, fireworks going off. Everybody
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  Speaker 2: so happy. Oregon football is going the right way. I
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  Speaker 2: am on the field crying my eyes out, crying my
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  Speaker 2: eyes out because that season I got one pass thrown
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  Speaker 2: to me. That was at Wisconsin, which is one of
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  Speaker 2: the greatest college football environments around. Joey threw a bad ball.
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  Speaker 2: I catch the ball, and as I'm going to the ground,
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  Speaker 2: I fall on my head. Bob ball pops out. I
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  Speaker 2: played at least fifteen to twenty plays in every single
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  Speaker 2: game that season, did not even get another ball thrown
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  Speaker 2: my direction, not even one that was incomplete, not even
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  Speaker 2: thrown away in my direction. And then the season ended.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like brouh nobody would have ever known that I
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  Speaker 2: was on this team. I didn't even commit a penalty
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  Speaker 2: all season, like I wasn't in the books, and that
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  Speaker 2: hurt my feelings so bad, and I was like, this
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  Speaker 2: will never happen again.
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  Speaker 1: And then your boy got back to work.
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  Speaker 2: So that crying on the field and having to deal
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  Speaker 2: with the consequences of being young or maybe even dropping
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  Speaker 2: that ball. I don't go to the NFL if that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't happen. So the idea that we enable people who
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  Speaker 2: have trouble, because there's a difference in having empathy and enabling.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes you got to sit with your consequences. And even
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  Speaker 2: his head coach Joey McGuire has gone in talking about,
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  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, aren't there so much things worse? There's
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  Speaker 2: been domestic violence, there's been this, there's been speeding. It's
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  Speaker 2: a false equivalency. These are different things. Yes, those things
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  Speaker 2: need to be punished as well, but this is central
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  Speaker 2: to the integrity of the game, and we can't and
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  Speaker 2: all this what about ism to like do mental gymnastics
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  Speaker 2: to make this okay when you know deep down in
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  Speaker 2: your heart that it is not okay. Next thing up,
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  Speaker 2: the college football world has reacted to this very strongly,
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  Speaker 2: and one of the organizations that has reacted very strongly
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  Speaker 2: has been the Big Twelve's leadership because they have been
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  Speaker 2: in a situation where the rest of the schools in
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  Speaker 2: the Big Twelve want to find a way to cancel
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  Speaker 2: against Texas Tech. They don't want to play them. They
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  Speaker 2: want some sanctions. They want Brett your mark to do something,
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  Speaker 2: and he's like, what you want me to do? And
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  Speaker 2: then you got Cody Campbell owner, I mean I keep
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  Speaker 2: saying owner, I mean booster. They're booster Cody Campbell. He
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  Speaker 2: then says, oh, if they don't want to play us, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: they don't want to do it because Texas Tech's on
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  Speaker 2: the rise.
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  Speaker 1: They're scared of us.
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  Speaker 2: Those are political talking points when in the reality is
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  Speaker 2: people just want the right thing done and they're trying
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  Speaker 2: to find a way to pressure you into doing it.
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  Speaker 2: That's all it comes down to. That's what all of
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  Speaker 2: this boycott Texas Tech is about. It's about trying to
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  Speaker 2: pressure ESPN, Fox, CBS, all the TV network partners, the
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  Speaker 2: gambling partners, and everybody else into forcing you not to
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  Speaker 2: play Brendan Sowarsby and in forcing the court.
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  Speaker 1: To do the right thing on a peal. That is
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  Speaker 1: all that this is about. That's it.
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  Speaker 2: And Cody Campbell then says, well, it'll be collusion or
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  Speaker 2: breach of contract and all of this stuff because he's
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  Speaker 2: all in.
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  Speaker 1: He wants to win a championship at all costs.
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  Speaker 2: You know those people that like, we're the NBA find
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  Speaker 2: wrong right now, if you're a New York Knicks fan,
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  Speaker 2: would you feel good about a championship if Winby had
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  Speaker 2: got hurt in Game one? Would that still feel and
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  Speaker 2: he was out for the series? With that championship feel
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  Speaker 2: as complete? No, because the people would then always be
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  Speaker 2: able to say, well, if Winby was playing, it might
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  Speaker 2: have been a little bit different like Toronto Raptors No,
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  Speaker 2: Klay Thompson, Kevin Durant, it don't feel quite like a
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  Speaker 2: regular championship.
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  Speaker 1: Well you see what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: Then you had Josh Brooks over there at Georgia, their
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  Speaker 2: athlete athletic director. He was like, there needs to be
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  Speaker 2: serious conversations about not playing Texas Tech in any sport.
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  Speaker 2: And he's also a member of the NCAA Football Oversight Committee,
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  Speaker 2: which I guess still has some power. Maybe the only
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  Speaker 2: part of it that does on some level, and per
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  Speaker 2: Pete Dammel sources told ESPN that that Big Twelve call
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  Speaker 2: that it was the first and expected three steps by
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  Speaker 2: the Big Twelve to potentially address the Brendan Sorosby situation. Now,
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  Speaker 2: on Thursday, the Big Twelve's executive board that they're gonna
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  Speaker 2: meet with the commissioner Brett your Mark to review all
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  Speaker 2: options going forward. Kansas their chancellor, Doug Grard is the
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  Speaker 2: Big Twelve chair, and then that's going to be followed
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  Speaker 2: by a meeting of the Big twelve's full board of
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  Speaker 2: presidents and chancellors, which is expected early next week. So
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  Speaker 2: this is not going anywhere, and this is putting the
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  Speaker 2: Big Twelves Commissioner Brett your Mark in a position where
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  Speaker 2: he's trying to dance through the rain drops because Texas
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  Speaker 2: Tech believes that their status as the most likely to
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  Speaker 2: win the Big Twelve actually gives them extreme leverage in
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  Speaker 2: this situation, and you've had so many of their athletic
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  Speaker 2: directors and everybody pushing back against this. So this is
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  Speaker 2: something that we are going to have to monitor and
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  Speaker 2: watch going forward.
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  Speaker 1: Next thing up, we got.
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  Speaker 2: To investigate a viral claim that keeps popping up that
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  Speaker 2: the Delaware Blue Hens that they made twelve million dollars
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  Speaker 2: in royalties from the twenty twenty six NCAA College football game,
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  Speaker 2: and you're only seeing this on TikTok and Instagram. So
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  Speaker 2: that caused me to do a little bit further of
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  Speaker 2: investigating and do a whole college football truth teller myth
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  Speaker 2: busting thing. So here is what we know at this
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  Speaker 2: point in time. We know that EA Sports has a
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  Speaker 2: royalty system for team usage, and what we don't know
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  Speaker 2: is exactly how much the pool is for the royalties.
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  Speaker 2: So twelve million dollars would be such a massive boost
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  Speaker 2: for the Delaware program that only has a forty eight
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  Speaker 2: million dollar total athletic budget, so we're talking Ay, that's
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  Speaker 2: a quarter of the budget.
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  Speaker 1: That's a big deal.
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  Speaker 2: And then they just had to fork over five million
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  Speaker 2: dollars for an nc reclassification fee plus a million dollar
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  Speaker 2: exitvy from the Coastal Athletic Association that moved it from
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  Speaker 2: an FCS program up to a FBS program. Now, Delaware
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  Speaker 2: only generated about fourteen million dollars overall in ticket sales
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  Speaker 2: last year according to College Athletics Database, so that would
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  Speaker 2: be like nearly double that like, that's crazy. So the
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  Speaker 2: root of this entire rumor, though, is stems from something
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  Speaker 2: that actually did happen, because the University of Delaware it
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  Speaker 2: announced in July of twenty twenty five that everybody that
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  Speaker 2: they needed to go play the NCAA twenty twenty six
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  Speaker 2: game as the Fighting Blue Hens and win a national
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  Speaker 2: championship in their EA College Football twenty six in their
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  Speaker 2: dynasty program, and then they would then have a chance
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  Speaker 2: to win a VIP game day experience at a Delaware
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  Speaker 2: football game if they did it now. In a post
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  Speaker 2: on x Delaware then laid out all the requirements, noting
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  Speaker 2: that those who wanted to enter that they must provide
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  Speaker 2: video of well, video proof that the Blue Hens that
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  Speaker 2: they were hoisting the College Football Playoff National Championship trophy,
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  Speaker 2: a screenshot of the team's final season and the playoff
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  Speaker 2: results in a video of the entrance reaction to winning
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  Speaker 2: it all in you know, in the game, right. But
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  Speaker 2: according to a couple of sources, this information it actually
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  Speaker 2: might be wildly inaccurate. So let's look at the information
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  Speaker 2: that we do. Now, we know that Missouri States payout
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  Speaker 2: that that was around one hundred thousand dollars and then
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  Speaker 2: they actually finished sixty ninth out of one thirty six
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  Speaker 2: in total usage. And we know this because Ryan Collingwood
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  Speaker 2: of the Springfield Daily Citizen, he wrote about it, wrote
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  Speaker 2: about this with information from Missouri States as Associate Director
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  Speaker 2: of Athletics for External Relations Kelsey Tobert, because they went
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  Speaker 2: on the record in a Missouri State Board of Governor's meeting.
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  Speaker 2: Now we also know that because of a four year
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  Speaker 2: request last year by Matt Lieberman of CLCT that the
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  Speaker 2: example that EA gave when they were educating programs on
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  Speaker 2: how the payoffs would work, the example of the money
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  Speaker 2: pool that they sent out was far lower than the
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  Speaker 2: twelve million dollars overall. Right, so here's a passage from
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  Speaker 2: last year's report quote. For each college football product released
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  Speaker 2: by EA Sports, we CLC lear Field will provide a
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  Speaker 2: percentage of each institution based upon the games played for
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  Speaker 2: that institution as a percentage of the total games played
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  Speaker 2: across all institutions. This percentage of games played will become
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  Speaker 2: the final allocation percentage for each school that will be
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  Speaker 2: applied to the total gross royalties for all institutions received.
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  Speaker 2: Example that they gave is right here. Okay, look at
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  Speaker 2: this total royalties reported in university pool five million dollars,
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  Speaker 2: total games played, seven hundred million, Institutions a's games seven
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  Speaker 2: million games. Institution a's allocation equals one percent seven million
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  Speaker 2: games played using the school out of seven hundred million
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  Speaker 2: total plays, royalties equals fifty thousand as one percent of
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  Speaker 2: five million. Okay, So using that math formula, in order
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  Speaker 2: for Delaware to have received twelve million dollars, the pool
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  Speaker 2: would have had to be astronomically high. And remember that
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  Speaker 2: these viral posts are saying that Delaware was the sixth
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  Speaker 2: most used team. So let's assume that even three percent
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  Speaker 2: of the total users were playing with Delaware, that would
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  Speaker 2: actually be a lot and that would actually mean that
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  Speaker 2: the pool would have to be almost four hundred million
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  Speaker 2: dollars for Delaware to get a share that large.
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  Speaker 1: So even if they were think to.
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  Speaker 2: Think about it, if they were at six percent, that
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  Speaker 2: would mean that the pool would be two hundred million dollars.
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  Speaker 1: So is this story true? Probably not right.
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  Speaker 2: Is Delaware doing themselves a favor by by not coming
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  Speaker 2: out and refuting it? Absolutely? It's free publicity for them.
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  Speaker 2: So do you believe that they got twelve million dollars?
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  Speaker 2: And if not, how much money do you think that
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  Speaker 2: they really got?
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  Speaker 1: Good? Question?
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  Speaker 2: Next thing up, everybody hates your team, clearly, right everybody,
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  Speaker 2: because two four seven just came out with their new
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  Speaker 2: five star rankings, and I'm here to tell you your
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  Speaker 2: team is not being targeted.
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  Speaker 1: They are not all these fan bases. Oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: As soon as a kid commits to us, then all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden his rankings drop and all of this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So let me give you a understanding of this. Because
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  Speaker 2: two four to seven updated the rankings on three updated
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  Speaker 2: them as well, and they are the primary source of
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  Speaker 2: how a high school football player is ranked. Now, five
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  Speaker 2: Stars are projected as future NFL first round picks, so
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  Speaker 2: there are only thirty two of them. So if somebody
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  Speaker 2: goes in, what it's like a club. One goes in,
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  Speaker 2: one come out.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. The fire marshall is at the door. None
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  Speaker 1: above that.
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  Speaker 2: So currently the two four to seven commitment breakdown of
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  Speaker 2: the five stars is twenty seven of the thirty two
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  Speaker 2: are already committed. The SEC is currently leading the Big
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  Speaker 2: Ten ten to seven in terms of five star commits.
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  Speaker 2: Miami has four kids in the top twenty and the
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  Speaker 2: ACC has five overall, which is actually major even though
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  Speaker 2: that they're mainly Miami because in the twenty five and
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  Speaker 2: twenty six classes they only have five. The ACC only
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  Speaker 2: had five total. And then the following schools actually have
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  Speaker 2: two five star commits in the twenty twenty seven class
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  Speaker 2: according to two four to seven Ohio State, Georgia, Texas,
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  Speaker 2: A and m USC Oklahoma, and yeah, USC and Oklahoma
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  Speaker 2: by state though, right, you have four kids out of Florida,
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  Speaker 2: three out of Cali, three out of the Carolinas, only
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  Speaker 2: two from Texas, but they're both inside of the top five.
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  Speaker 1: You got two.
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  Speaker 2: From Georgia, including the new number one overall, DJ Jacobs,
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  Speaker 2: who is now currently in Ohio State commit that they're
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  Speaker 2: trying to flip. And then one of the biggest risers
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  Speaker 2: in the entire thing, which is LSU commit kJ Green. Right,
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  Speaker 2: so now you might actually be surprised, like a lot
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  Speaker 2: of other people are, to find out that UCLA and Nebraska,
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  Speaker 2: two teams that have had not much going in college
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  Speaker 2: football lately, they both have five star commits and that
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  Speaker 2: they both they actually went up in the ranking because
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  Speaker 2: neither one of them was a five star going into
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  Speaker 2: this and they both are now and the prevalence and
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  Speaker 2: well the prevailing mindset among non blue bloods is that
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  Speaker 2: committing to your program is actually going to cost you
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  Speaker 2: in the rankings. So UCLA commit Juju Johnson, the kid
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  Speaker 2: out of Long Beach, he went from ranked forty fifth
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  Speaker 2: to thirty first, and Nebraska commit Trey Taylor, he went
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  Speaker 2: from forty eighth to eighth after a strong Elite eleven performance.
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  Speaker 2: And I believe that this opens the door for another
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  Speaker 2: conversation surrounding UCLA because I believe that UCLA and Bob
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  Speaker 2: Chesney are about to have a serious Kurt Signetty moment.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that Bob Chesney's gonna win the national
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  Speaker 2: championship in two years, but what I am saying is
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  Speaker 2: that UCLA do not sleep on them. Do not think
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  Speaker 2: that that is an easy win. Do not think that
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  Speaker 2: that is an easy dub. And if you are an
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  Speaker 2: SEC fan the same way that y'all think about playing
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  Speaker 2: at Mississippi State with the cow bells, tough game, playing
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: at Kentucky tough game, and y'all want to make the
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: bad teams tough games, this UCLA team would beat both
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: of those teams. Y'all can book it. You can write
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: it down, remember it, take a picture. That's what it's
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: going to be. And up next it is what I promised, y'all.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: We are going to talk and understand the college Football
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Playoff Committee and how they work. Then we got to
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: talk to a former college Football Playoff Committee member. I'm
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: getting all the details, all the inside, asking all the
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: juicy questions that you want to know. And then we
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: are going to build our perfect college football Playoff Committee. Yeah, so, y'all,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: make sure that you guys go swipe up. If you're
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• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Let's get to it.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Everybody complains about the Playoff Committee. They complain about the
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: selection process. When their team gets left, they don't like
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: where they're ranked. The committee is corrupt. Your team gets
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: seated wrong, The committee then hates your conference.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Your rival then gets in. The fixes in all of it, and.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Every single year, depending on who is mad, the conspiracy changes.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Some years the committee has an sec bias. Then the
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: next year the Big Ten it is the power structure.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: The next year, oh it's ESPN they want these teams in.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Then the next year it is brand favoritism, big brand favoritism.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Then the next year, oh, it's anti group of five,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: they hate the little guy. This last year, too much
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: group of five at the expense of the Texas Longhorns.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: And then some years it's, oh, yeah, they just wanted
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: this helmet logo in the playoffs.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: But here's the truth.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: I do not believe the College Football Playoffs Selection Committee
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: that they're sitting in that back room that they're sitting
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: in Dallas or wherever they're at, trying to rig the
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: College Football Playoff against your team. I do not believe
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: that there's some grand conspiracy to keep one school out
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: or push another school in. I believe that the problem
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: with the College Football Playoff Committee is much more simple
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: than that. The issue is that the committee may not
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: be built correctly for the job that it's being asked
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: to do. Because the College Football Playoff Committee is being
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: asked to do an impossible job, subjective criteria, limited time,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: incomplete information, and one hundred plus schools all lobbying for
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: their self interest, that's the real issue. Let's start with
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: what the committee actually is. The College Football Playoff Committee
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: is the group that ranks the top twenty five teams,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: they select the twelve team playoff. They seed the bracket
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: and then helps determine who gets access to the national
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: championship path. Now, in the twelve team era, that means
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: deciding the five highest ranked conference champions, the seven at
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: large teams, and then the four teams that get first
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: round bys and the home field matchups in the first round.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: That is a lot of power the committee. They're not
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: just picking the four teams anymore. In the OZ four system,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: the argument was about number four team versus number five team.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Now with the twelve team the argument is about eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: and sometimes beyond that.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: The seeding matters too.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Now one team can say, we got in, so what's
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: the problem.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: The problem now, Oh, it's the path. Their path is harder.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Than this path, whether bys matter or not, home games matter,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Avoiding a bad matchup matters. Being the fifth seed instead
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: of the eight seed matters. And in this new format,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: the committee does not just determine who gets invited. It
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: determines how hard your road is once you get there.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Now the CFP, there's no single metric, and there has
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: never been a harder time to win a national championship.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Never you used to have to win two games, then
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: you used to have to win four. Now you got
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: to win three or four depending on where you're seated.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: The committee, they need a clear vision, And I got
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: the answer for you. Because the committee right now they
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: consider you know, a wide series of data and information.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: They look at strength, the schedule, had to head results,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: common opponents, conference championships, injuries, player availability, and what they
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: believe and what their eye tests tell them about a
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: quality team. Hold on, hold on on, hey, you guys
• 24:30
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• 24:33
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• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Let's get to it.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: When there is no single standard, every standard can feel
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: convenient because when Alabama gets in, people say, oh, they
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: valued strength to schedule. When Florida State gets left out
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: at thirteen and oh and twenty twenty three, people say, oh,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: they really care about injuries. Who are you at the
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: end of the year. Now, when a two long lost
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: brand name team is ranked ahead of a one loss
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: team from a weaker conference, people say, oh, now, they
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: care about the eye test. When an undefeated team from
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: outside the power for a structure gets doubted, people say, oh,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: now they care about schedule. And that is where you
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: get credibility problems, not because every decision is wrong, but
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: because too many decisions feel like the logic is revealed
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: after the outcome, and some of that logic is backfilled
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: at the point where people are trying to justify the
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: decision that they made, and then fans they grabbing a
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: hold of them justifications just to try to.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Throw it in their face and they end up going crazy.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: That's literally what happened to Kirk Herbstreet when he tried
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: to justify Florida State being left out in twenty twenty three,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: and then the fans, oh, we cooked him a live
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: for that, Like he could have just said nothing. But
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: what college football talking head is just going to shut
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: up when these selections are given a so much to
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: talk about and he's literally one of the people on
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: the TV on the show.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: But maybe talking is the actual problem because the Revealed
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: shows they're built for consumer entertainment, and I actually love
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: them because they.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Give us some more stuff to talk about.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Here give you know, create discussion and paint a full
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: picture in place. Does that need to be consumable content?
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: And if so, should we actually have more content creators
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: in the mix who know how to sell their drama
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: instead of you know, administrators earnestly trying to go up
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: there and they're getting eaten a live for their comments
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: by the same rabbit ball knowers who watch shows like mine.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Something to think about and something to talk about when
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: we're going to talk about this committee in general. But
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: what really matters is when acting head coaches criticize the committee.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: You got complainer number one himself, LSU head coach then
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Old misshead coach Lane Kiffin.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: He been loud about the committee.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Oh understand the week to week grind of the SEC
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: and his point is basically, you can't compare records across leagues,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Like every ten and two team is not the same
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: as every other ten and two team one hundred percent agreed,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Like Texas A and M last year, Baby, they were
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: not the same because their schedule didn't match up with
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: some of these other teams. A ten and two team
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: that played at SEC row games is not necessarily the
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: same as a ten and two team that avoided the
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: hardest games in its own league. Look at James Franklin, Oh,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: when he was up at Penn State. He has questioned
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: the committee's process and suggested that college football actually might
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: be better served going back to a more BCS style formula. Well,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: mister James Franklin, you know who never wants the letters
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: BCS put in front of my face again, that's me
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: because he wasn't a member of my two thousand and
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: one Oregon roster. So I'll give him for not remembering
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: how terrible that that formula was that had us ranked
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: number two in the AP pole, number two in the
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: USA today, Poe.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: But we come out the.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Number three in the BCS rankings, and then you get Florida,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: you get Miami versus Nebraska wipe out in the National Championship.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: We play in the Fiesta Bowl versus the number four team,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Colorado wiped them out. The two best teams did not play.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Dabo Sweeney. He has complained in the past about you
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: know that Clemson and the SEC were held to a
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: different standard by CFP voters. Nick Saban He criticized the
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: committee after Alabama missed the twenty twenty two playoffs, and
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: he was arguing that the committee leaned too heavily on
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: record instead of asking who the best teams actually were.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: What does that mean? Marcus Freeman and Notre Dame.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: They opted out of playing in the Pop Tart Bowl
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: altogether after the committee left him out last year. Mike
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Novell he probably should have done the same thing after
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Florida State got snubbed. Instead, he gave a strong public
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: criticism saying that he was disgusted, infuriated and everything else,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: and you know, argument the legit jgitimately well, the legitimacy
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: of the CFP. And then he went out and got
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: wrecked by Georgia, who also had their head coach called
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: in the process unjust and questioned how the committee was
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: weighing their eye test strength to schedule and losses. Now
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: more recently, Kirby Smart has also questioned whether the committee's
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: makeup and process properly rewarded teams who schedule aggressive. Look
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: at Texas their head coach, Steve Sarkisi, he made what
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: I think is the most important criticism. He said, the
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: committee does not have the bandwidth to watch that many games,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: and he's right to ask the question because in a
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: twelve team format, you're not watching four teams, you're really
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: evaluating twenty five to thirty five teams every single week.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: If the sport it ever expands to sixteen or twenty four,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: you may be talking about forty or fifty relevant teams.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: It is not the committee member's full time job.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: You're lited like you don't.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Have, you know, a brandan soresby level of extracurricular interest
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: in these games for these people. Who has time to
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: watch all of that and be the athletic director, run
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: your business or anything else, former head coach, all this
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: stuff that they're doing. Who's time to watch the offensive line,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: watch the third down defense, watch how quarterbacks handle pressure,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Watch whether a team was up twenty eight to three
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: and gave up garbage time points, or whether that ten
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: point win was really a dogfight. They don't have time
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: to watch whether a team control the game or survived it.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: They're looking at numbers and stats. They don't watch whether
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: injuries change the matchup in an October loss or a
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: September loss, versus when they get together their last four
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: weeks of the season, like they or do they even
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: watch whether a team's resume looks better than it's actual football?
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Do they get on the message boards. Do they find
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: out who's injured? Do they find out whose nil checks
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: aren't cashing? Do they find out which coaches are being
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: distracted by the up coaching carousel? That takes time, And
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I know because it takes fifteen hours of every single
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: day for me, and a lot of y'all think that
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: I'm a know nothing idiot even though I'm in the
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: foremost ball knower. When you look at the committee, there
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: are smart people on it. There are former coaches, former players,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: athletic directors, administrators, media members, people who know ball, and
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: we're about to talk to one of them. So nobody
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: is questioning Ronnie Lott's you know, football mind because he
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: was on the committee from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Tyrone William who served on five different selection committees. And
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: this year's committee features former head coaches Mike Riley, Gus Mileson,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Jeff Tefer, Mark Dantonio. That's four hundred and twenty five
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: football head coaching wins between them, four men's.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: You don't get more qualified than that.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: But knowing ball is not the same thing as having
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: the bandwidth to consume the entire sport every single week.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: And that's my biggest issue. That's the biggest issue with
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: the College Football Playoff Committee. The committee should be staffed
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: by people whose actual job is watching college football games,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: analyzing college football games, not people squeezing in games between
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: athletic department obligations, board meetings, donor events, travel conference businesses.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: You know, in regular professional lives.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: If you are on the committee, watching games should not
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: be homework.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: It should be their job, not to be fair.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Though the CFP has tried to create safeguards, there are
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: recusals for conflicts of interest. Committee members are supposed to
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: step out of the room when they have direct ties.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: To a school.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: They do have access to game footage and out of
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: team sheets, analytics and information. They just walking into a
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: room with vibes and helmet stickers. And that's why I
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: reject the whole lazy conspiracy theory talk about the committee.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: But I will say this, the committee is not just
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: saying we like Texas more than Florida State, or we
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: want Alabama because of Raivens, we hate the SCC, we
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: hate the ACC, we need Ohio State because of brand value.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: That's too easy. The real problem is that every school
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: is lobby which is the same reason, the same thing
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: we struggle with every single one of these college football's
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: most pressing issues. Every coach is lobbying for themselves, every
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: athletic director is lobby Every conference commissioner lining up on
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Paul Fairebaum on this show, on other shows, Joe Klatt,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: everybody lobby. Everybody's got interest, media partners, all that. Every
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: league is protecting its own inventory, reputation, financial future. The
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: SEC wants to committee the value strength schedule, even though
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: that they prior to this upcoming year where they're playing
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: non conference games, hadn't been playing the best non conference schedule.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: But George, we played one power for a team yet,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: but you get three free wins every year too in
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: non conference games because you were only playing eight conference games.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: And then the Big Ten. They want the committee to
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: value top end wins dACC. They want the committee to
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: value conference championships and undefeated records. The Big twelve they
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: just want consistency. They're like, just be consistent. The Group
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: of five. They want access, notre Dame. They want their
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: cake and eat it all too, And every school wants
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: the criteria interpret it in whatever way suits them and
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: fits them best that season so when we talk about
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: the Committee, we have to be honest. They're not operating
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: a clean laboratory. They're operating in the middle of a
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: political campaign. College football is not just a sport. It's
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: an ecosystem of lobbyists wearing pole lows man. Now, does
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: the Committee usually get close to the right outcome? The
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: data says yes, but it ain't perfect. In the fourteen
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: playoff era, the number one team reached the national championship
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: eight out of ten times and went four and four
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: in them title games. That means that the committee's top
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: ranked team was usually good enough to get to the
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: final but only won the whole thing four times in
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: that decade. You look at the number one seed. They
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: missed the title game in twenty fourteen when Alabama lost
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: to Ohio State, and then in twenty seventeen when Clemson
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: lost to Alabama. You go to twenty twenty four. In
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: the year the first year of the twelve team playoff,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: the number one team, Oregon didn't even make the title
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: game after losing to Ohio State. In twenty twenty five,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: the number one team made it and won the national championship.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: So what does that tell us?
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: It tells us that the Committee is not just randomly
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: throwing teams in a blender. Their top teams are usually legitimate,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: but it also tells us that they are not profits.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: We are in a new era of college football. They're
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: making educated judgments, not delivering gospel. In twenty fourteen, the
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: number four team, Ohio State won it all, and had
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: the Committee got it right and put to Texas Tech
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: or a Baylor in or you would have a national
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: championship right now. In twenty seventeen, number four Alabama they
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: won it all. In twenty twenty four, number eight Ohio
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: State won it all. Those are not failures or football.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what a playoff is supposed to reveal and produce. Now,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: the Committee's job is not the crown or champion in December.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: The Committee's job is to build the fairest bracket possible
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: and let the games decide. And that is where the
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: reform is needed. Because my solution it ain't too abolish
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: the committee, the committee's fine. The solution is to professionalize
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: it because the committee should include more people whose full
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: time responsibilities during the season is game evaluation, former coaches
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: who are not tied to schools, not a bad answer.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Former players who have scouting backgrounds, analysts who actually grind film,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: maybe even regional evaluations, or evaluators who specialize in conferences
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: and crosscheck each other.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Use data, but do not be ruled by data. Use film.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Do not pretend that the eyechest is objective. You strength
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: to set schedule, but define how much it matters. Use
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: head to head, and also apply it consistently. Most importantly,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: explain the process better. And the other part that would
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: help dramatically. Let's all play eight or nine conference games,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: play three games cross conference and the power for Imagine
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: how many data points that you'll get. You'll know who
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: the strongest conference is. You won't have to debate. Maybe
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: that might make too much sense, like because fans they
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: can handle disagreement. What they cannot handle is feeling like
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: the standard just changed overnight. Because if head to head matters, right,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: say when it matters. If injuries matter, say when it matters.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: If shredth the schedule matters. Stop rewarding teams for avoiding risk.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: If conference championships matter, define whether they are a bonus
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: or a requirement. If the best team matters more than
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: most deserving, say it out loud, on the consequences, because
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: at least people know where to stand because right now,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: the committee, they live in gray areas.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: In the gray area, Oh, it breeds all.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Sorts of conspiracy theories because the truth about the college
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Football Playoffs Selection Committee is this.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: The people are not the villain. The structure is the villain.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: The committee is trying to solve a sport that does
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: not have equal schedules, equal conferences, equal resources, equal media attention,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: or equal access. They're trying to compare teams that will
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: never play each other in leagues that did not play
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: the same type of schedule in the non conference, with
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: coaches and commissioners screaming into the microphone every November, our
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: team is the best. Do not think that there is
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: a conspiracy.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I do not.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: I believe that there's a capacity problem. I think there's
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: a transparency problem. I think there's a consistency problem. And
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: I think college football is too big, too valuable, and
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: too important to have its championship bracket decided by people
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: who may know ball, but do not always have enough
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: time to watch enough ball.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: That is the fix. Give us a committee built for
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: the modern sport.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Give us people with the time, the tools the responsibility
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: to evaluate the entire country all season long. Then give
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: us clear criteria, give us better explanations, and then once
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: the bracket is set, let the team settle it on
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: the field. Because the playoff shouldn't feel like a mystery,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: it should feel like a championship. To help clear up
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: any of these remaining mysteries, we have a very special
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: guest today, former College Football Playoff Selection Committee member Paula
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Boyven who was on the committee for four years from
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen to twenty twelve.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Let's get to it now.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: We are joined by Paula Boyvn, who is who served
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: on the College Football Playoff Committee for four years.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: She went to Illinois.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: She's currently at Arizona State in the Walter Cronkite School.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Her nephew is a quarterback at UCLA. This is a
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: woman who knows ball. She worked in LA Sports media
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Arizona Republic as a columnist for twenty plus years and
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: the former president of the Association for Women in Sports Media.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Paula, welcome to the show.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it all right, So you served on the
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: College Football Playoff Committe. There's a lot of people who
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: look at the committee in their life. What the heck
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: is this? Who are these people? Their credentials? I mean,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: obviously they're but when you get the call to be
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: on the College Football Playoff Committee.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Or did you apply to it? How does that happen?
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: No, I got a call, and I will be very
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: frank about this. When I got the call, I literally
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: spit out the orange juice I was drinking because it
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: kind of came out of the blue. And it was
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: the person who oversaw the committee at the time, this
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: great guy named Bill Hancock. I have known him for
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: years of running into him as a sports journalist at
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: different events and things like that. And so they, you know,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: the goal of the goal of the CFP is they
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: really want a diverse committee. And by diverse, I mean
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: people who will bring different things to the table when
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: we're in the committee room. So bottom line is, they
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: just asked me if I'd like to do it, and
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: I said yes. And I think the person I replaced
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: was Conda Lisa Rice, which some big shoes to fill there.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: But they really want a mix of different types of
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: people and I'm happy to dive into that a little bit.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: But that was why I was one of the people
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: put on the committee, they like to have one former
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: sports journalist on there to sort of bring a different perspective.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, can you talk about what that diversity looks like,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: because that's a buzzword out.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: In the community. Now, is it the women on the committee?
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Is it? Is it older? Younger? What does that mean?
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Diversity mostly means coming from different places in their lives. So,
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: for example, to the right of me for a couple
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: of years on the committee was Ronnie Lott, who you know,
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: was incredible and he he brought the perspective of someone
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: who's been in the trenches, who will look at, you know,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: a video a game differently than I do. On the
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: other side, a couple times I had you know, different
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: athletic directors, whether it was like Scott Strickland over at Florida,
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: and they would bring a whole nother perspective of being
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: in the business of watching a lot of football, of
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: having those experiences. We had a lot of former head
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: coaches in the room, and they obviously have been to
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: the trenches as well as a coach and understand players,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: understand strategies, understand decision making, and so they would bring
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: a different perspective. We also had you know, some mill
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: some military people there. I think a five star general
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: at one point was in there, and you know, knew
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: a lot about structure, about discipline, and so brought that perspective.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: I'm very much a numbers person. I love crunching numbers.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: I love looking at stats. I covered college football all
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: my life, you know, starting at UCLA, then at ASU,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: and so I brought sort of a different perspective there.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: So really the goal is a lot of different voices.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: We had people in there at times as young as
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: probably late twenties, thirty up to seventy, you know, it was.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: It was quite a range and mostly men. I was
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: the only woman at the committee at the time, and
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: before me there had been one.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: So when does the committee's process actually start, because we
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: know that the committee starts to meet every week in
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: you know, like the end of October beginning of November time,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: But does it start prior to that? Like, what's the
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: charge in the mandate that you know that you have
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: coming up when you're on the committee.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're working for starting the first game of the
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: football season. We all get these iPads, which was my
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: favorite thing in the world because I could access every
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: game played, and every coach is cut, and I could
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: watch just the offense, and I could watch just the defense,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: and so I would have access to any game I
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: wanted to watch on this iPad. So, you know, starting
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: at the beginning of the season, you watch as much
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: as you can, but but pretty quickly you're starting to
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: see which teams are not going to be in the
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: discussion for Top twenty five, top thirty. And I just
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: watched a ton of football, and as all the committee
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: members did. And then we would starting in November, we
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: would meet. I would fly to Dallas. We would meet
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: for a couple of days, kind of in a sequestered
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: conference room at a hotel. We were in there for hours.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: We would debate for hours. It was usually very civil.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: In fact, it was all I think, always very civil
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: when I was there. But there are some very different opinions,
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: you know. I remember sitting there one time debating a
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: team with Gene Smith, a former Ohio State athletic director
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: who had actually known because he used to be the
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: athletic director at ASU when I was covering the team,
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: having a debate with him about things like that. So
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: you're getting a lot of different opinions based on all
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: this video that we're watching, and it kind of goes
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: from there.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when when you're talking about how much film that
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: you actually get a chance to watch, or an athletic
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: director because they have normal jobs every single day, So like,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: how much film do you, well, did you specifically watch
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: every single week as a as a columnist because you
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: still have to write about you know, the school that
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: you're covering or nationally, but then you're still watching games
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: nationally as well.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: So so when I started the committee, I was a
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: I was no longer a sports writer was teaching here,
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: so I wasn't I wasn't working games anymore, and that
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: was kind of part of the part of the reason
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: I got selected. It was sort of a post journalism career.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: I watched a ton. I mean, I you know, I
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: watched as much as I could on Saturdays, and then
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: I would follow up on Sundays just on my iPad
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: or things I recorded watching those games, and then throughout
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: the week I did. I had a full time job,
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: I'm a professor at ASU, but I would spend time evenings,
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: lunches watching and again, as the season would progress, the
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: number of teams that you needed to pay attention to
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: certainly minimized a bit, but it's a lot. And I
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: sense I know where you're coming from. Do we And
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: I totally get the argument, do we have enough time
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: to watch all the games that we really need to watch?
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: And I never felt I'm saying this sincerely, I never
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: felt like I didn't have the enough information available to me,
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: because we not only were watching games, we had these
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: amazing group of statistics that were sort of specially prepared
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: for us, where we could look up anything from you know,
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: total receiving yards to explosive plays to different defensive stats,
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: and so we had that information to weave in and
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: then we had these conversations of hours and hours on
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: the weekend of maybe Ronnie Lott pointing out something I
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: wouldn't have thought of those kind of things. So I
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: see where you're coming from. But I honestly felt like
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: I was I had enough time.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: But let me hear your ang A year or so,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: my argument has been that the committee has been because
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: there are people who have all these conspiracy theories that
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: nefarious things are going on.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I don't buy into that.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I believe that these are people of integrity who are
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: trying to do the best job that they possibly can.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: But an athletic director, in talking and knowing Rob Mullins
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: really well up at Oregon and other athletic directors, that's
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: a very busy job and that they're focused on other
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: and I'm just talking about that particular one, and that
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: that job has so many angles to it. They're covering
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: other sports, they they're traveling, and all of this other
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: stuff for the entire program. So I've just wondered if
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: this needs to be a professional position, that being on
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: the college football playoff committee, that that's your job for that,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: you know, for that year, two years, four years, however
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: long your contract is. Do you believe that that could
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: even make the committee that much better?
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, and it's like a paid position
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: you're talking.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: About or something.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where it's a professional position, where like this is
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: your job just whether it's just during football season or whatever,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: that this is a fifty sixty hour a week job
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: during the season. That way, then we can you know,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: further deep dive into it. Because we're talking about people
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: are proposing twenty four team playoff now, and so that
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: expands you needing to understand who the top twenty five
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: teams are to understand and who the top you know,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: forty teams are.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, if I felt like it wasn't working,
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: I might say that's the way to go. But I
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: would say at least half of the people in that
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: room were retired, like all the former football coaches and
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: the like, former players like Ronnie and I know, yet
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: a lot of other stuff still going on, but I
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: feel like a lot of people in that room had
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: the time, and I think between all those other elements
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: we bring in, like I told you, the statistics and
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: the debate, I didn't feel like we were short changed
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: because we couldn't do it every hour in the day.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: And I really feel like and I appreciate you saying
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: you don't buy the conspiracy theories theories because I heard
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: them a lot and I will I will tell you
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: when I when I got on the committee, I briefly
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: talked to Condoleeza Rice and she had told me of
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: all the committees she has been on in her life,
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: and that includes all those committees, and when she was
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: in the White House, she thought this was the one
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: with the most integrity. And I truly believe it. I mean,
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: I think that there is never people think, oh, well
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: ESPN is pressuring you, or oh you're getting paid to
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: do this. No we're not. You know, we were put
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: up in a nice hotel, so if that's our payment, great,
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: But it wasn't. No one was paying us and there
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: is no pressure from esp IN And I never felt
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: pressured in that room. And I always, even though I
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: was the only female, I also thought my voice was heard.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: So you make an interesting point, Georgel chew on that
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: a little bit. But I really, I really felt like
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: we were able to do the job.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: What what's the wildest conspiracy theory that you heard about
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: the committee?
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. There you know a lot of the
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: ones came from and I and I respected, but a
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: lot of sort of the teams that weren't power for
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: that were in the group of six that maybe had
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: great records or undefeated records. A lot of conspiracies came
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: from there. And I will tell you a couple of
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: years ago, I got this frantic message from the attorney
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: at Arizona State and he said, I need access to
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: all your emails from this time to this time because
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: it is a you know, it's a public university. So
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: anyone can access my emails if they put in a
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: freedom freedom of information requests and so they wanted every
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: email I had that had the words UCF or Central
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: Florida in it, and I'm like, okay, So I turned
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: it over and it was clear someone was looking to
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: see if I was saying something snarky or you know,
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: something about UCF, and they could go, look, see this,
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: this person is lying and they left UCF out whatever,
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: And so I turned all the emails, and of course
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: I had nothing because I wasn't going to write any
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: snark about them, and I was so curious. I turned
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: them over and I was so curious who requested them
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: and it turned out to be the UCF student newspaper,
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, very enterprising of them. I thought that
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: was actually great. So there were those kind of like
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: they you know, there's definitely snark in their emails and
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: their trading comments on texts about the teams, and so
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: we don't do that at all.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: So as a you know, working in the Cronkite school,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: you probably and knowing how good like ASU's Jake School
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: is and all of that stuff, you probably had to
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: appreciate the fact that it was the student newspaper, like, okay, okay,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: we got some young people who can who were trying
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: to figure find things out.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: I loved it. I really I thought, you know, this
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: is you know right now, journalism is under fire in
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: this country overall, and so that they're trying to do
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: what they're supposed to do at that young of age,
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: I thought it was fantastic. So unfortunately there is nothing
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: for them to see.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, so tell me about the college football playoff committee
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: watch parties.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: What are you guys doing and what are you guys wearing?
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Because we see everybody in suits and everybody's buttoned up.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: I'm like, who watches it?
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: There's no way that you guys are in there in
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: business casual attire watching football all day.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: So yeah, So the watch party that you see in
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: those ESPN clips are usually just like the weekend of
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: those conference championships and when we're making we have our
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: final votes and so we go into one big room
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: and those we we try to be a little comfortable,
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: but not too comfortable because we know cameras are on us.
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: But the rest of the time we're in meeting rooms
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: and you know, we're in there for twelve fourteen sixteen
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: hours sometimes and we're I wouldn't. I don't think there
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: are that many people in suits that they were dressed appropriately.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: We're we're not strolling in there in our pajamas or anything.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: But we were pretty comfortable during the dress pretty comfortable
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: during those times. And the watch stuff was really only uh,
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: during that last weekend when we'd watch the games together.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: Other times, during the regular meetings, we would pull up
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: games sometimes we you know, we're debating something going back
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: and forth, and we would pull up games side by
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: side and you know, compare in Alabama to somebody else,
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: and sometimes that helped make our decisions too. You know,
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: you'd see the speed, the speed of the team closer,
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: look at some of the defense, things like that. So
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: those are the only times we were really watching together.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: You talked about that you're an analytics person, that you're
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: numbers driven person. What are some of your most important
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: analytics and numbers that you looked at when comparing teams?
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, you don't want to single
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: out one because they all make a difference. But I
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: think I was always paying close attention to strength the schedule.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think there's value to that a team
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: that is twelve to zero is not necessarily better than
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: a team that is, you know, nine and three or whatever.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: So I would look at that. I like one of
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: my colleagues in there was really big on what you
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: called explosive plays, that that could really make a difference
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: in a game, and so I would often look at that.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: He kind of convinced me into that, but mostly just
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: try to look at all of it, you know, whether
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: it was strength to schedule, whether it was completions. There,
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: we had like millions of stats at our disposal, and
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: so we could really kind of crunch the numbers when
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: we needed to.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought up strength to schedule because this one,
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: I believe is one of the most manipulated numbers in
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: college football because there's no schedule uniformity. If I were
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: college football commissioner outside of the schedule the calendar, like
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: fixing the college football calendar. Outside of that, my number
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: one priority on day one would be calendar, and then
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: the next priority would be schedule uniformity. Because if what
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: I would do is I would probably I would either
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: drop everybody down to eight conference games and then play
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: three and all the power for conferences play a game
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: one game against at least one game against the other conferences.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: So the so the Big ten would play against every
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Big ten team would play one game against the ACC,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: the Big twelve, and the Big UH and the SEC
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: and vice. I mean, because I know this uneven numbers,
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: but we would fix all of that and you know
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: every So that would be the first thing that I
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: would do, because I have believed a long time that
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: the SEC, in particular, that because they were only playing
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: eight conference games, and the numbers say that when you
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: play eight conference games, that's an average of four losses
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: per team versus nine conference games, which is four and
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: a half losses. And especially with that November cupcake, when
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: you have you know, Big ten teams or ACC teams
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: playing like sixteen versus seventeen and then you have an
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: SEC team at eighteen playing a cupcake, one of those
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: teams is gonna like lose ground there. And yeah, so
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on that is it relates to
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: strength to schedule.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: That was a lot to choose.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, no, that was good. I mean
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: I think that it's one that whole schedule thing is
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: absolutely challenging. College football is in a weird space, right,
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: because it's the conferences that seem the commissioners have all
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: the power. There's not. I don't feel like there's quite
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: the governing body for college football as the way there
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: is another sports, and so the conferences have a lot
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: of power to dictate what they want to do. So
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: I think getting that kind of level playing field is tricky,
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: but I do think that's something we consider when we're
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: in that committee room. And that's why, you know, when
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: people argue with me about our picks. In the past,
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: I always said, it's not who the most deserving team is,
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: it's who the best team is. And by that I mean, again,
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: like we talked about, a twelve to zero team is
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: not necessarily the best team. And so when we are
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: looking and breaking down these things, we are looking at
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: the teams that they've played and if there's the if
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: they beat a lot of teams that were as you
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: call I think you reference cupcakes. You know, we consider
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: that when we're ranking teams, we're not just taking the
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: fact that they won or lost, but we're looking at
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: who they played and how they played against them. We
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: look at common opponents a lot, which factors in at
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: some point. But ultimately, I think while I think in
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: the perfect world what you're saying is great, I don't
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: know how we get there. To be honest, maybe you
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: should run for.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: I would love I would love to because I got
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: I got ideas, and I got common sense, I got
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: common sense solutions. How much easier would it make the
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: decision making process with more data points of conferences playing
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: each other in more cross conference matchups.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I think that would certainly help help
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: When we're looking at teams. There's just there's so many teams,
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: and now all these conferences are changing. The PAC twelve
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: that I knew years ago is not the PAC twelve today, right,
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: But now I think they're going to be part of
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: the Group of six, And so I don't know how
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: we do that with so many teams, you know, to measure,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: But I would think, yeah, conference versus conference, those type
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: of games help, you know, the non conference games as
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: we call them, certainly fit into the calculation. I just
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: think it would be hard to get there.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: There's a big issue going on right now in college football,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: which is the Brendan Soresby situation, right, and there's a
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: lot of people who believe that the College Football Committee
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: that if that whatever you deem the right thing to be,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: that that they should be the ones that if the
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: courts don't do it, that if they don't give them
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: the outcome that they don't want that they want, which
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: is Brendan Soresby not to play, that the College Football
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: Playoff Committee should then not put Texas Tech in if
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: they are one of the twelve best teams in the country.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Should the College Football Playoff Committee be charged with making
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: a decision like that?
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think that's what they're there for.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: That's not how they were built. That's not how that
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: organization is built. I mean, I think that's a matter
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: of a team decision. And we saw how the rest
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: of the conference has reacted to that decision, the athletic
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: directors getting together having discussions about what this meant for
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: the integrity of the game. I mean, I don't know
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: the committee is all about putting the best teams in there,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: and I don't think one of their charges is a discipline.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: But I think that should go in the hands of
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: the team and the conference anyway. And I you know,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: a lot of Big twelve athletic directors were very outspoken
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: after that happened, So I think, you know, we'll have
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: to see some changes. But that's one to watch. I mean,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: that is a huge story. It wasn't somebody betting on
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: one game and making a mistake. It was somebody betting
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: on games and games and games. It was more than
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: a games exactly.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: At three different schools.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you could, if you were charged, if you
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: are the commissioner of the college Football Playoff Committee, because
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: you've seen you saw it evolve over four years, what
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: changes would you make to either the process or the
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: committee or anything like that.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: This is going to be such a lame answer. This
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: is not great for a talk show answer. But I
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: really believe in the system. I think you know, they've
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: made some tweaks over the years, but you know, having
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: spent four years in that room, and you know, people
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: complain a lot about the process and the teams we
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: get and who was in there. But if you look
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: year by year, usually the best team is in that
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: championship game and won that championship game. So I think
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: the process works.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: So I wish you guys had left Ohio State out
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: That's the only thing.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: No no, no, no, because my Oregon Dugs would have a
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: chanceampionship right right now, had you guys put TCU or
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: Baylor in, that would have but that would have made
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: my life.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: You're carrying that with you, George, still, aren't you?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I am.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: But clearly it was the right choice because Ohio State
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: was the best team in the country that year, so
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: it so it clearly was the right choice despite me
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: not liking the outcome.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: That's what's so great about college football, though, is that
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: that emotion you have, how much we care about our
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: team is awesome. But I think it also blinds us
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: sometimes to the truth. And and that's fine. I had
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: never had an issue with people, you know, sending me
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: angry emails. They just love their their sport and their team,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: and I thought that was great.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: See, that's one thing I always try to try to
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: do because I played at Oregon.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: I love Oregon.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: But when when we're on the show, we have to
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: talk objectively about college football, and sometimes that means that
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: that team, the team that you love, or that the
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: team that you represent, your logo ain't the best logo
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: at that point in time. And you got to be
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: honest about that. Expansion to sixteen, twenty four or remain
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: at twelve. If you had the choice, what would you
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: like to see? God?
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: And I'm so wishy washy on this one because I
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: you know, part of me thought the twelve worked grade
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: I thought that was really solid number. I also am
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: a huge fan of the NCAA basketball men's and women's
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: basketball tournaments, and having more teams engaged and then getting
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: more fans engaged is also exciting. So I don't know,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: I kind of was really comfortable with the twelve. I
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: wouldn't hate if they expanded it because I do like
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: having more teams involved it Just, you know, I think
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: the thing you always have to look at, and I
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: haven't honestly dove into it much as sort of logistic
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: how feasible it is teams are either having to play
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: more games or how they're going to do it with
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: the different sites and things like that. I think there's
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: some challenges that come with expansion, but I don't know,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: from kind of reading the tea leaves, it seems like
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: we're definitely headed that way, you know. I think money
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: becomes part of the discussion too sometimes, So I think
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure we're going to see that happen. I
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: don't have any insight knowledge it just everything I'm reading
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: seems like they're going that way.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: We're doing a segment pretty soon about women in college
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: football and the expanded role that they're playing and recruiting
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: and on field stuff and covering the game. You've been
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: at this a very long time, and I know that
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: you've heard every single thing that you know, people have
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: said about women in college football and why you shouldn't
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: be there and everything else. But can you talk about,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: like what you've seen yourself in the growth of women
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: being a part of football in general, whether it's in
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: the NFL down to college and being vital roles and
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: trying to be paid to be stolen from other teams
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: and all of this stuff. How proud are you or
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: how you know excited are you to see where it
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: is now and where it clearly is.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Going, you know.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: And we talked a little bit before we went on
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: the air about it, and I mean, it's almost emotional
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: for me just because when I started, you know, one,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: there weren't many women in sports journalism, so that I've
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: seen explode, which is great covering football on the sidelines,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: But then I don't remember how many years ago I
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: was covering the Arizona Cardinals a little bit of a
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: sports columnist, and they hired one of the first women
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: as like an intern coach, and it was incredible. I mean,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: I couldn't like, I couldn't like not feel something for it,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: because just so many women don't get opportunity. And I
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: know there's voices out there, and I hear them all
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: the time about you know, why should women be coaching
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: or different roles in football. It's not about it's it's
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: just about giving them the opportunity if they deserve it.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: And many of these women played play football. It's not
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: the NFL, but they've played football. They believe in the sport,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: they're committed to the sport, they understand the sport. Why
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: should we exclude them? But this country for so many
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: years did And now just seeing these doors open, I
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: think is incredible. And no one is asking to put
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: a woman in a job that she's not qualified for.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: That shouldn't be the case. But doing these things like
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: these internships and giving them assistant jobs when they're ready
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: for them, when they approved themselves, is awesome and it
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: should be happening.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: And you guys.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: She's paul A boy Ben home over at ASU, longtime columnist.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: College Football Playoff Committee men for four years. Paul of
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: thanks for coming on the show.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: It was awesome. Thanks, George. I appreciate it.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: The College Football Playoff Committee, they're good people trying to
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: do the best that they can. But I am going
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: the professional model. I am going to give you the
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: perfect college Football Playoff Committee for twenty twenty six season.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: Then depending on how these people do, we'll reevaluate them
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: and we'll switch some of them out, just like they
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: do every other year. But here is the list for
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. These are professionals who cover college football,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: watch the sport, dig into it, and don't have jobs
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: like an athletic director to where it's taking them away
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: from watching as much ball as possible. First guy on
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: the first pick in the draft on the College Football
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: Playoff Committee. Man you see on the program here sometimes
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: the ball. Noah himself, mister aka the film got Brook Sauston.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: Brook Sauston has to be on it. He's dedicated to
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: the sport. He watches the craft going from high school
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: all the way up to college and is a grinder
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: and knows the sport inside and out and is dedicated
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: and would do a good job. Next thing up, I
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: got to take this man off of TV. He's got
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: to come off of TV to do this, and that's
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: mister Joel Klatt. He watches film, he studies, He's dedicated
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: all of those things to it.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Joel Klatt.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Fox, but we need Joel Clatt on this
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: college football playoff committee. He sees the future, he understands
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: the past. This is the man who's willing to do
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: the work. Next guy up, former player, upcoming analyst. Joe
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: Klatt's former player too, but I'm going with EJ.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: Manuel.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: This dude understands the game. He sees it from a
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: quarterback perspective. He has played, he's been on a very
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: good team. He's had Heisman buzz, so he can speak
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: to things to an even different way. And former ACC quarterbacks,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: so there's some representation there where you had Joe Big
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: twelve ish, you know, Pac twelve ish along the same way.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: And then Brook Sauston is more of a South guy.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Next guy up. This man has touched all sorts of conferences.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: He recruited me. This is how long he's been in
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: the game recruited me. His son is a coach now,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: he's an analyst on TV, watches film, knows other coaches,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: knows what good ball is supposed to look like, knows
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: how to recruit at a high level, has won things
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: as well. Rick Neuheisel, he understands it. He got to
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: get a seat on the committee in year one. Next
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: guy up. This is a writer. This is a man
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: who is has covered the West Coast AP voter as
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: well in basketball and in football. You can't find too
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: many people that have as many votes as he has
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: and are as dedicated to the sport. This is mister
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: John Wilner doing a great job out on the West
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: Coast as well. So he deserves a Heisman voter all
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: these things as well. So he's a man who understands
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: the sport. And he doesn't lean West Coast because if
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: U ask Oregon fans, he thinks that they hate him.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: USC fans think that he hate him too. So that's
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: the exact type of guy that you want. Somebody who's
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: going to be a truth teller. Next guy, Greg McElroy.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: And this gives some Alabama blue blood representation. Somebody who
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: is going to probably lean that way, a little bit lean,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: a little bit towards the SEC. But we need different voices,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: people who played in different eras. Another quarterback who's seen
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: a lot of things on there as well. Next guy,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: former head coach who's currently on the committee right now, and.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: That's Mark D'Antonio.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: This is a man understands physical football, understand what it's
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: like to play tough defense, what it's like to play
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: in cold weather, and how that impacts college football. Who
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: can bring a different perspective there that maybe you know,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: high flying offense guys that they can't fully see that
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: I believe adds a unique perspective and he can speak
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: to the mindset. This is the man who ran a
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: trick play to win a game, so he understands the risk,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: he understands all of those things that go into it.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: I am going to add a former playoff committee member
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: because we do need some different representation. We need somebody
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: bringing a different perspective. We already have one writer, but
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: women are becoming such a huge part of college football,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: and who best a veteran on the crew, somebody who's
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: picked the right teams to win a national championship before
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: and miss Paulaboyven she's going on the list. Next up,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: we have two podcasts that we are going to put
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: but they only get one vote, so they can only
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: send one of their members in. But this podcast, with
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: the way that they cover the game, they analyze the game.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: One of them gets to talk to a lot of
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: college football coaches as well, and they are dedicated to it.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: First Ari and Andy. They're gonna get a vote.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: Don't care which one of them gets it, but the
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: podcast gets a vote.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: They're deep into this.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: They fully cover it, and uh yeah, they don't get
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: too far in the weeds on the analytics. They're gonna
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: be off vibes a little bit more eye test people.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go there. Next podcast, I'm.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: Gonna go with the Split Zone duo podcast with Richard
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: Johnson and Alex Kirshner. This is a good analytics data people,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: more of our mad scientists kind of guys. They're gonna
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: get some representation because we need people to throw more
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: analytics at us, to dive deeper into it and all
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: of this and this is no slight to anybody else
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: or any of the other podcasts or plenty of other
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: good podcasts, but those are the two that are going
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: to get the vote on the first year.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: Next one up.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: We gotta get another ball noer, we gotta get another
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: ball knower on there. And I'm picking Jeff Schwartz. He
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: is going on here because Jeff understands how lines and
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: gambling and all this stuff plays into it. But then
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: he's also a voter for the Joe Moore Award. He
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: understands what good offensive line play looks like. He understands,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: you know, what the big uglies look like. He can
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: tell us what the offensive lines and defensive lines what
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: they are going to you know, be a part of,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: and how that's going to work. So remember this is
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: only year one.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: Guys like Josh Paid and guys like RG three and
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: other people won't eventually be on the committee. This is
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: just year one and then we will continue to grow
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: it and get it better from that. But this would
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: be a professional committee. Oh excuse me, I was left out.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: The chair of the committee college Football's truth teller himself,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: George Reister. I'm the chair of the committee.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah i am, because when it comes time to defending
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: our decisions on television, I'm polished, I'm ready to go.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: And I have no problem with shutting stuff down, making
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: sure the people, the proper people, recuse themselves, that we
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: drop our biases at the door, and then we're honest,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: because this will be the truth teller committee that there is.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: You guys, go down in the comments, tell me build
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: your perfect playoff committee. Who you would put on there,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: who you would take off in year one. It's not
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: a permanent position. It's you know, it's a little side
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: heldtle for a couple of years, and you guys leave
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: it in the comments. Appreciate your time, Appreciate your energy.
• 1:15:55
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