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Yoreh De’ah 189:19-23. Niddah: Veses, HaGuf Based On Physical Sign, Cramps, Aches, Sneezing, Spicy Food · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  Good morning. We are continuing Simon Kufpe
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  tet and your idea. That's Anita vesit.
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  OK, today we're going to start discussing vesit Hagoof.
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  This is the this is the vesit, A goof that's also called a Simon.
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  Everyone calls it a vesit, A goof.
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  It's when your body tells you the vesit is coming.
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  OK, let's read inside your tet Yeesh.
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  Kovat vesit aidemi cream sheer ube gufa.
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  You can have a vesit kavua by things that happen with your
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  physiologic body. Kagun Shi mifaheket.
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  So lashina the gumara is she is mifaheket.
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  So there's different perushim in the Rishonian.
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  What that means basically the Hainu, I mean, these are all
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  just examples. It's the principle and we'll
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  we'll see really whatever it is, it is, it's it's going to be has
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  to be something obvious. Physiologically, it's not
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  normal. And that always leads to the
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  vesis, the starting, the Hainu K Adam Shepashedzar Ottav Mohammad
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  Kovid When a person stretches their arms out because of some
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  heaviness, I don't know, OK, Adam Mahmoud COVID or because of
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  some heaviness or difficulty, he opens or yawns, opens his mouth.
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  Really. OK Adam Shamotzi Caldera Hagaron
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  Or if a person gives off a sound from one's throat, I don't know,
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  maybe it's referring to burping. So then from eating from food
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  that was that they ate. OK, so any one of those could be
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  mifahakit. Any one of those are an example
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  of Vesita goof. If she passes gas or burps,
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  depending on which rishon derekhmata through the right
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  down below, oh shekhashit befi kresa or she has some kind of
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  cramps or pains. Basically, you know, somewhere
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  down below, whether it's the abdomen or the womb is or the,
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  you know, the, the groins, the thighs, oh shahzuhat Siri
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  akadakhat some kind of shivers OSHA rosha VE verea kavaidi
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  Malaya. Or she has headaches.
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  It could also just mean headaches when she stretch like
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  before when she stretches out her arms, it could cause some
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  kind of pain. But tension.
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  Yeah, tension exactly to some kind of stretching.
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  But it's it's your body. It's this is not jumping.
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  This is not when you're doing something per SE.
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  It's more of a semen that comes from your body.
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  They have very activate, right. These are not causative.
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  This yesterday or the previous couple.
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  See, FEMA are all about causative and there it's a
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  Mahlokas if it's if it's not attached to Yamim, if you have
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  to even worry about it, we're going to see we're going to read
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  inside here. When it comes to Vesita goof,
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  it's it's it's it's these are all signs that your body is
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  telling you it's coming. And it doesn't matter if it's
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  attached to days or not. Everyone agrees it could become
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  a vested kabua and everyone agrees you have to worry even
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  after one time. You have to be Koshish.
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  We're going to see this as we keep reading, happens to be
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  vested. A goof that's attached to days
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  is not very common. Lamisa even even much less
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  common than vested in general. A vested Kabua in general.
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  OK, let's let's keep reading inside.
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  So she has headaches with her limbs, her heads, any one of
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  these signs. If it happens three times in a
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  row, there are times she sees the bleeding Kava atla vesit,
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  she gets a vesit kavua. So as soon as she sees anytime
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  this happens, it's us or for her to be with her husband for that
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  period of time, we're going to get there anytime during the
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  month that well, we're going to see.
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  But yeah, well, it depends if it's attached to days or not.
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  If it's attached to days only on those specific days.
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  If it's not attached to days, then it's only those then it's
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  it's any time in the month. But again, it has to be we're
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  going to see this inside. It has to be where it's
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  extremely abnormal to her and it's only going to and it's only
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  going to be and these things are Vesa Kabua.
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  Like every time she has these these these Vesa de goof, these
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  signs, then she sees bleeding. Otherwise it'll uproot it.
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  So let's just keep reading inside the one second.
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  Where are we? Oh me who the P hook ETU Chopin
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  ahat if she just does P hook, maybe she yawns or sneezes one
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  time in havesit nikba Allah kisha OSA ke harbe PE amim.
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  It's doesn't happen unless it happens many times, many times
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  in a row. In other words, a single sneeze.
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  Well, we all have a single sneeze once in a while.
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  That's nothing different. That's nothing new.
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  That's not going to create a vested kavua.
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  It's like if a person, most people sneeze once, maybe twice.
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  But if this woman, she sneezes five times in a row, and that's
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  not normal. And if she sees 5, then she
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  sneezes five times in a row, then she's going to have or
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  whatever it is, maybe 3 or 4, whatever the number is, it's
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  many times and then she sees. So then that could turn into a
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  vested kavua that she has to worry about the Amir Allah Cain
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  shalosh PE amim. And if it happens three times,
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  now there's three separate months or whatever periods, 3
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  separate times that she has this series or a very unusual vested,
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  a goof. She behold pah masakain harbet
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  PE amim. She did it many times.
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  I raise a vested then it can turn into a vested kavua.
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  They call ailu a vestal Chiba gufa.
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  All of these vested A goof, ayn lahem zamania dua.
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  It has nothing to do with time or it could have nothing to do
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  with time. That's what I mean vested.
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  Anytime she has this, it turns into a vest because it was
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  established 3 times and they're unusual.
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  The IM BA vesita goof was manjadua.
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  But it could. And if it comes with an attached
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  time, in other words, it's only going to happen if she has this
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  vesita goof on. Ehad bharosh, you know, Ehad
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  Bhadesh or Rosh Kodesh or you know, the 15th or the 10th.
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  Whatever it is, it's always the exact same calendar day.
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  Could also be vesita flaga, whatever it is, but it's it's
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  attached to something else. Well, actually, yeah.
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  OK, let's keep reading. That's why you do it.
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  OK, go on. Mara Raschkoders always holders.
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  Like it's always oh, estremiom, estremiom.
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  But that's the haflaga. It could be de or haflaga.
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  It's always attached, the vesteda goof.
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  So then kavala vestit, Liszmann, ulamit.
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  And then so then she gets this vesteda goof.
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  But also it's attached to a time, a date or a interval.
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  Ulamit husha vestit vena hosheshit El Ali shnam biacha.
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  If it gets established initially all three times because it was
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  Vesita goof with the Yamim both, that's how it became
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  established. So then it's the two of them
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  that establish it together. And if that day on the calendar
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  comes Viloba Mukush, she didn't get this feeling.
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  She didn't get this Vesita goof. Oh, Shabam Mukush below it.
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  Or she had this series of sneezing, for example, this
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  Vesita goof. Not on that particular day.
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  She doesn't have to worry about it at all because the Vesita
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  kavua for her is that the Vesita goof with that day together.
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  Otherwise it's nothing Vedavka shikhaba vesselishnambyaka.
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  That's only if she sees the two of them together on the same day
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  of all meet hila. But until she gets a vested
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  kavua that's vested A goof tied with the days, then she has to.
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  If she only the first time she has this vested A goof or the
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  first time she sees it on the ex vested a goof on a particular
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  day, then she has to be worried for both separately, right.
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  And you didn't Vesa chain a Kabua?
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  No, just being mafarish, No Mahloukis.
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  So and Sholkhanar is going to spell it out.
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  There's a little bit of repetition in the next few see
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  fee, especially between the two. But anyways, so then you have to
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  worry about both. You have to worry about, you
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  know, there's the normal 3. She has no Vesa Kabua.
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  She always has the normal 3. She has to worry about Vesa da
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  goof has a Vesa. I mean, Vesa Tayami, what she's
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  saying right now we know about Beto, neat.
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  We know about Haflaga. And you also have to worry about
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  this series of sneezing. Like if she one time has sneezed
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  five times and saw bleeding, so the next time she sneezes and
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  has bleed and the next time she sneezes five times.
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  I'm just using that example. Then she needs to check herself
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  to make sure that she is not bleeding.
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  OK, she has to be. Maybe she has a normal vest, not
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  what I don't know if you call it normal, but she has this vested
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  her goof that's not tied to a time.
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  So if it happens once she has to check until she finds out when
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  she's once she checks after having the sneezing five times
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  and there is no bleeding, then that's going to OK and she
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  doesn't have to worry about it again.
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  OK, that we're going to see inside in a moment.
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  So let's read cough again the next couple.
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  See if you are a little bit of review.
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  OK cough P Akash de Palamim, she yawns 2 times for Rosh Kodesh,
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  twice on Rosh Kodesh and verata Akharka or verata and she sees
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  so two months in a row she yawns and sees it on Rosh Kodesh.
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  So it's the same day. So right now we don't know
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  because it hasn't been three times yet, but we do we see that
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  she yawned twice and she had a vet her period.
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  It was twice in Rosh Kodesh and she had a period.
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  So we she, it might be she's developing A Vesida Ghouf.
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  She might be developing A Vesida Yamim, or she might be
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  developing the combination together Murkov.
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  And then she sees sorry, then she yawns right.
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  And then you know, more than just a simple yawn, it must be
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  like a few in a row, something a little bit or something.
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  That's not normal. So then she has this, she yawns.
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  And it wasn't on Rosh Kodesh. So then virata.
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  And then she sees she has her period.
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  So then exactly Hoover Davash ain't Rosh Kodesh gaurium a la
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  puke. So now you see she has a vested
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  hagoof and has nothing to do with days.
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  OK, the thing. So too in Papa Mashley sheets
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  rata. What if on the third month it's
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  she sees on Rosh Kodesh and there was no yawning that time
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  So then Hoover davar Shane appeal gorium Allah Rosh Kodesh.
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  So it's. So now we all know that yawning
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  doesn't do anything. She has no vesita guff
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  whatsoever, completely uprooted the khashash even, and she only
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  has a vesita kodesh, which we've been talking about for most of
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  the semen until until now. Regular vested yamim vested rosh
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  kodesh fine Ava in piya kashti pamim by rosh kodesh.
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  What happens if she had yawned for two months in a row on Rosh
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  Kodesh Ubappa mashwishit. Now it's gets a little trickier
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  on the third month. Piya ka bekaftet the kodesh.
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  She yawns on erev Rosh kodesh villorata Uber Rosh Kodesh rata,
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  and then she sees the next day on Rosh Kodesh below piuk
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  without yawning. All right, so it's a day apart.
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  Kavala vesit la piuk shawash kodesh.
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  So in this case she does get a vesit kavua for piuk liamim.
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  But the way it works is because because it's one day apart and
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  she has this pattern. So we say it has to be she's,
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  she doesn't have to be Koshish until that day of Rosh Kodesh,
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  right? Because it's a combination here.
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  So she only has to be worried on in the third month or but now
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  for the 4th month, she had the three months.
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  Now for the next month, she has to worry only on Rosh Kodesh,
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  not heir of Rosh Kodesh. But she only has to worry on
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  Rosh Kodesh in that 4th month, if she also has the this pihook,
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  this yawning on either era Rosh Kodesh or on Rosh Kodesh because
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  she needs we see that this this is a Vesita goof, that's Morkov
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  with Yamin. So she needs both.
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  But what we see from here from her patterns that the Piuk could
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  come a day before. And the shock just points out,
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  we did not say this by Khfiza by jumping by Vesita Onis.
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  That's a little different because we see it has to happen
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  the same day. It's a different category here.
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  This is a Simon. And there it's a cause.
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  So there we didn't, right? Yeah.
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  But it means it's still a sign. That's what it means.
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  It's still a sign. OK, this all right?
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  OK, fine. Cough, Olive.
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  Let's. Let's read Piaka bharosh Kodesh.
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  Now she's yawning on Rosh Kodesh again.
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  This is a little bit of the next couple.
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  See if him. It's just a review with a little
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  bit of newness but not a lot. Piaka bharosh kodesh.
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  Now she yawns on Rosh Kodesh. Virata bhasiro piaka bhattok
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  yamaya kodesh kosheshit looto at puke vyasura shamesh achativdoc.
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  OK, so now he's saying what happens if she yawns?
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  OK, there's no vesit kavua. She yawns and then she sees
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  right away. So now she has to worry about
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  Vesita goof. It's for the next time that she
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  yawns. She might.
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  It might cause her, it might again.
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  It's not. Doesn't mean it's a cause like
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  Vesita onus, but it's a sign really.
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  But that's OK, that's the way we speak.
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  So now she sees not a month later, but she sees, I don't
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  know, 15 to 20 days later. Let's do 20 days later.
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  That's a cleaner for a couple of reasons.
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  She sees it 20 days later, so she has to worry about Yani.
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  If she has this yawning, then she has to worry that maybe
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  she's getting a vesit and she needs to be mafish from her
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  husband until right from tashmish until she checks she
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  called vested Bain. She'll yami Bain.
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  She'll goof Khosheshitlow is if she has this unusual yawning
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  like whatever five times in a row, and then she has this and
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  right then she sees. So then she has to worry about
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  it for the next time. She has to worry about
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  Vesityamim and Vesitaguf because it's an unusual goof.
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  So she has to worry about it one time.
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  And so maybe she's going to end up getting an established vesit
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  attached to a time or not attached to a time.
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  But if she yawns right, she didn't get a vested kaboch, she
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  got a vested. It happened once, and then she
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  yawns five times and she checks and there's no bleeding.
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  Then she doesn't have to check again the next time she yawns
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  five times, right? Kosheshit la Roche kodesh.
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  But in our scenario, she saw us to worry about Rosh Kodesh
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  because it happened on Rosh Kodesh.
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  Shama tigva la Roche kodesh. Maybe she's getting a vested for
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  Rosh for Rosh Kodesh. OK, that maybe if same same to
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  with yummy. She has a she yawns today and
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  then she yawns again after on day 30.
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  So she has to worry. So she has she has to worry the
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  next time she has this yawning. And she also has to worry about
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  day 30 Khosheshaloto Piuk shammachiwala Piogreeda Pia
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  Capito. And then if it happens that she
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  yawns again in less than day 30 Velora, then she doesn't see.
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  So then then she doesn't have to worry about it anymore because
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  it was only a one time after yawning.
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  And now, in other words, this is the same thing that we just
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  said. This is with a with the
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  intervals versus the day of the month.
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  So now if she sees a second time with yawning it, you never have
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  to worry about it and she doesn't see the second time.
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  You never have to worry about the next time when she yawns
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  about. But I just said this before, she
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  still has to worry about the intervals, so she still has to
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  worry about, you know, the three things that we always have to
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  worry about. Dirty Benonit and Avastida.
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  Yummy. Fine, let's do kaf gomo call ELU
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  havesto Cheniqua, you might be Mikra.
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  All of these vestos that are established by things that
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  happen with her body. EIN ehrad coveya IM Cavaro.
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  You cannot. They never combine.
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  Hello kosher will explain kosher piya kashalosh pamim verata cava
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  vesit. If she has this yawning or
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  whatever her the example is 3 times then she's coveya evasive
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  Kabua Abu impiya ka Pam akas venit akash de pamim a midstar.
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  But different types of examples of vests in a goof, you can't
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  combine them. She yawns five times and then
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  one month, and then the next month she sneezes five times and
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  then the third month she sneezes five times.
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  So then on all these cases, this last example you can, you don't
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  combine sneezing with yawning. It's a different vested goof and
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  it has to be identical in order to combine them A, a, a unusual
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  event. You're right, two different
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  unusual events are not going to make a difference.
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  It's not going to combine. That's not a that's not a Hazaka
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  for a proper sign. It's just possible.
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  Now, the following is actually a little bit of an exception on 2
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  levels, the Haggah. So let's read the Haggah and
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  I'll explain. Akhla shum virata, akhla batzel,
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  but sell verata akhla pulpilin verata.
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  One month when she sees, she sees after eating garlic.
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  The next month she she sees after she eats onions.
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  The third month she sees after she eats Peppers.
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  I'm assuming hot Peppers, but whatever it is.
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  Yeah, hot Peppers. So then she creates A yeesh
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  omrim shikavala vesit lira aide call akhilad varim harifi or I
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  have a well, no, I have I have but it means kharif.
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  So if she has three separate things now 22 points over here,
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  the Rama over here and you can look in the Rubiki of Agar.
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  He also points out in this case you don't have to have.
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  You can have a vested khaguf add of three kharif, 3 different
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  kharif things because it's a vested khaguf for anything
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  kharif. But in order to be anything
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  kharif, it needs to one time be shoom, one time bedsel, and one
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  time pillpony, or three times shoom.
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  Well, if you have three times shoom, that'll create a vested
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  kavua only for shum, that's what Urbiqui vegre, right?
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  One garlic and two onions. So I don't know.
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  This is not Devarian brewerian. It's different post scheme.
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  We're going to have different opinions on the matter.
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  I just wanted to point out it could be this could be a little
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  different than what we just read in the Shulkanara.
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  Now we just know food over here. Now the past few sifim we've
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  been talking about Vesita goof, which is a Simon happens to be
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  not to confuse us and the Rama's really going to say it.
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  The Rama. I'm not sure exactly why he
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  brought it here. Maybe because of the example of
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  being starving, but really eating is an example of vesit
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  onus or vesit A goof that's a that's causes you and it's not a
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  Simon. So really this is a throwback to
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  a few see theme before the previous category.
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  And another big thing to point out is this is built from an
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  example from an Amora in the Gemara and it's a Mahloka
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  rishonium. If foods can even be a vesita
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  onus. So the Rama is Mahmir and Pasha
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  is the sholkhanarath. You could also see the Besiosaif
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  he does not hold the vessel of food, it can ever become a
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  vessel. Eating is not a is not equal to
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  jumping. It's just it's eating and it
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  doesn't have exerting your body that is doesn't it's not the
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  same level. OK, let's just finish the Rama.
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  Yeh om shikoma shatira ID amah called Dino como shatira de
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  pizza. Any time it's eating something
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  spicy, it's like egg pizza. Vesita onus sharmay seshi OSA
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  shamikre reali de onus the Eno kovat vesit ella emayami.
• 24:30
  So the Rama is mahmar. First of all, that foods, spicy
• 24:34
  foods can create a vesit hagufesta onus that type.
• 24:41
  But he quotes one opinion that it could only be established
• 24:46
  with dates. That's the first opinion.
• 24:49
  If it's on a particular date, just eating random in the month.
• 24:54
  If it's not tied to a specific date or interval, it doesn't
• 24:58
  count. It'll never make a vesa kalua
• 25:00
  the yeesh. Right?
• 25:02
  That's the opinion of the sholkhanara in general for other
• 25:05
  vesa to onus and then here the Yeesh omri, it's not 100% clear.
• 25:10
  Usually you would assume there are maz Mahamar like the Yeesh
• 25:13
  Omrim Batra, the second one if it's the HVH at least a tequila.
• 25:18
  But again, not 100% clear. The Yeesh Omrim should you know
• 25:21
  que vested should tell you the mikrush of the group of Kobata
• 25:24
  field below Yamim shabin. And this is more more mahamar
• 25:28
  opinion. It says foods can create a VESA
• 25:31
  to onus even if it has nothing to do with the the day.
• 25:38
  All right, let's stop.