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PreDraft Hope and Dreams · The Fantasy Football War Council

• Jonathan: I when it drops out like that. Yeah, I think that's sad. ⁓ Welcome mortals to the fantasy football war councils podcast. Here are your gods of war Jonathan Arson, along with Mario and Daniel Gutierrez. Hello and welcome to another meeting of the fantasy football war council. am your god of war Jonathan joined by another god of war, Daniel and shame to you that didn't join us tonight. Daniel: Hey! Jonathan: Hello and welcome. Another meeting. Let's, we're three day, two days for graph. Two days. Wait, wait, wait. I actually had a countdown. One day, 19 hours, 32 minutes. Daniel: Two days. Two days. Oof. Yes. Jonathan: I know, it's nice. It's nice. Daniel: ⁓ And what is it here? Jonathan: So we got a couple news for... Daniel: and let's see five days two hours and 51 minutes until our first draft of the year for dynasty. Jonathan: I don't want to talk about it because I was really excited. I started doing a lot of research and looking into players and then I pulled up my draft picks. Daniel: Hahaha! Yes, yes you did. You're paying for Gentie. Jonathan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my pain for Gentie, yeah. Yeah, that's my pain for Gentie. So I'm having a first or a second. I'm so excited because it's not a, I wouldn't call this a deep draft. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: I it's a lot of players, but it's not a deal. I don't know, it gets real boring in my opinion after the third, I think. I don't know. Daniel: Mmm. Jonathan: Just don't know. Daniel: I that's where I like the pics is of course your first round and all of that that's that's where you put in a lot of research but I like those mid-round pics because those are some nice flyers a lot of times but I I have Jonathan: Well, this is a bit much. feel like it was ⁓ strong in a lot of categories. feel like it's, that's all. I'm not saying it's, you know. Daniel: Yeah, I have eight picks in the first three rounds. Jonathan: Yeah. Yeah. And your brother has quite a few as well. Daniel: And Mario doesn't have any until he has 2-4. And then now, ⁓ yeah, now he's got two, three, three, three, and then four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, I think so. Jonathan: Yeah, he just made a trade and acquired something for pitching off digs and ⁓ Daniel: Yeah. No, he gave DK and Joey Bosa and somebody else. ⁓ for the two and the three. Jonathan: Yeah. Daniel: Let's see. DK, it was three players. DK, Bossa. Jonathan: There were players on both sides, yeah yeah yeah. Daniel: Yeah, Mario gave DK and Bossa and ⁓ Malik Washington some decent players there for Jonathan: Mm-hmm. Yep, yep, yep, yep. And he acquired digs and that's it. So saying he got Daniel: Mm-hmm. You got, yeah, he got digs, redic, and Samuel. Jonathan: I the digs. mean figure he'll be in New England. I mean, Devo is a question mark. Daniel: 23 and 33 Yeah. Yeah. Oh, he basically, you know, it was for the draft makes. He sold, I mean, I was texting him about it. was like, you know, DK's, that's a bold move right there. I don't know if that's a bold move that I would have made. But if... Jonathan: It was cool, Jake. It was freaking awesome. Daniel: If the Titans come out of it with, and they draft a receiver high, it's going to hurt. Then it was a good trade. was time to get out of him, right? Because then his roll might drop if they're spending a lot of draft stock on a young wide receiver. But if Tennessee doesn't address wide receiver at all during the draft, then like, Jonathan: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Daniel: He, there were only three receivers that scored above 300 points last year and he was the third one, you know? And so like, could be, he's a huge dart throw and it all depends on where the draft is, you know, like how that Tennessee draft goes. So three upside players and a solid defensive players for two and three. I think that's a good trade, but yeah, that's right. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. DK was good. He popped off a lot. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. No, I, this popped into my phone, I sat down and I just saw three players, like five picks, three players, five. This is a Mario trade. You'd have to look at names. I knew it was Mario's. This is my, all right. And then I was like, it was good trade. It's a good trade. So. Daniel: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's been, ⁓ He's been hammering. Mario's hopping on as a matter of fact as we're talking about it. He's downloading the app and then he's gonna jump on. Momentarily he says. Jonathan: Wonderful, well, you can chime in. You can chime in, that's awesome. So my intro would have worked, I deleted it would have worked. I had the Brothers Grimm back, alright. Welcome, welcome, welcome, we have the Brothers Grimm, it works. Daniel: So. ⁓ So, yeah, it's nice to see the movement. I know he's been pounding the pavement to get some picks because he didn't have any until he had 2-4 and then nothing for a while. Jonathan: Mmm. Yeah, yeah, and I was figuring being it's a it's a slow draft so you can always get a pick or something. Figure. We'll see what happens. We'll see. Right. So it's always a question mark and it's. ⁓ Daniel: you Yeah, it should be an active draft. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. Yeah. Jonathan: You know, I mean we could get into it being it's our own draft But I like to get into the normal NFL drafters so we'll get all of our listeners but at the same time I mean It's good. Well, we'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. So Yeah, well, I mean we could you know back back back talk our league as we're talking with everything else, right? Where do you think a player will go both NFL and where he'll go in the ender trap, right? Daniel: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I don't want to give any secrets we're five days away from draft here, so I'm not sharing shit ⁓ Yeah, I'm full of proprietary information currently Yeah, that's right. Jonathan: I'm not signing anything so okay I'm gonna sign everything okay well uh take a sweat take a sweat Daniel: Alright, we'll read the first blurb of news now that we've, you know, jibber jabbered for a while having fun. NFL owners have approved four new rule changes presented by the competition committee at the annual league meeting. The first one is to permit a team to declare an onside kick anytime during the game. Which would be nice. I hated the fourth quarter if you're behind ⁓ Caviar to when you can kick so I'm happy that that's ⁓ Changed some rules so that there's no incentive for kicking out of bounds if their team is kicking from the 50 yard line and ⁓ Changing some alignments in the setup of the blocking teams and this is a big one though allowing Jonathan: you Daniel: New York to call in and call a missed penalty that's obvious that affects the impact of the game. And so ⁓ they can over overturn that. And they're also talking about ⁓ expanding that if they're so that New York makes the calls for the games as far as the referees are concerned. Jonathan: huge. Daniel: especially if they don't come to an agreement with the referees union so their NFL is preparing a contingency plan to have these games going if ⁓ the referees and the NFL can't come to an agreement on salary and things like that or MOU Jonathan: I like it. No, that one was a big one. I do like that one. Daniel: And do you want to the next one? You want me to keep going? Jonathan: I'm sliding my screen over to make room for Mario now and I wanted the sound drops so could be there. So a young Zachary Branch, about to be in the NFL Draft, was arrested for ⁓ obstruction of ⁓ justice with the police. ⁓ Daniel: Let's hope it works. Jonathan: two misdemeanor charges, you know, what does this do to his draft stock days before, you know, the, Larry Laramie Tunzel effect, the, doing stupid shit right before the draft, right? Daniel: just bad timing bad bad bad timing Jonathan: Yeah. Terrible timing. This just hurt your wallet more than anything else. This is the... Daniel: ⁓ it could drop like a round or two. You're talking, you know, at least hundreds of thousands of dollars, you know, at least maybe a or so because he's second branch. They're saying he's going to be like a second third round. Jonathan: or at least Now Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Hey, sorry. I had to restart the download a couple times on the app. So I was like, yeah, four minutes. And then my mom kept talking and kept talking. And then I was like, OK. And I checked back and I feel like it's still not on there. How are you doing? Jonathan: you Daniel: You Nice. Jonathan: Doing real good. Nice to see you. Love the you're all shaved up. You're looking great, man Have you it's the brothers grip You look hot you look hot it works Welcome in welcome in we're just finishing the news real quick if you want to You want to ⁓ chime in? Mario Anthony Gutierrez: ⁓ yeah. So, you know, it's hot here. It's hot. Daniel: Yeah Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: You Daniel: Comment on it, yeah. ⁓ Jonathan: I don't know if you can see a document, Mario Anthony Gutierrez: I think I'm gonna have to... Daniel: No, he can't see a document, but he can chime in on what he hears here. And so we'll go into the next one. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Okay. Yeah. Daniel: You were going to say something, John? Sorry. All right. ⁓ I do like this one as well. John pointed this one out. I thought it was super cool. ⁓ Hines is giving away a lifetime supply of ketchup to the 57th overall pick in this draft. Jonathan: No, no, no, You're it. Daniel: They are celebrating 151 years of being in existence in Pittsburgh. And since the draft is in Pittsburgh, they're doing something special. So ⁓ currently the Chicago Bears earn the, have the rights to the pick. And if the player that does get selected, they have a red blazer and they will be calling him Mr. 57 and get a lifetime supply of catch up. So that's cool. Yeah. Jonathan: I think that's pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: That is cool. Daniel: Something different. Yeah. Jonathan: I that's an awesome one. I don't know. That's being married to someone that loves ketchup on their ketchup. think that's just, that's cool for me. yeah. Trent Williams and the 49ers agree to terms on a two year, $50 million deal extension. So well done, well done. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: that. Daniel: Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Daniel: Yeah, that's a good move on both sides. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. He... Yeah, that is. Jonathan: Yeah. Daniel: He could have probably gotten more somewhere else, but 25 mil and then he stays in San Francisco where he's happy Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Hey. Jonathan: and they're making moves because they want to do things, so... Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah, I think if he worked toward getting more money, it could have gotten messy because everything with the 49ers when people try to get contracts has been a little messy over there lately. And he might not have made the first first week or whatever. know what I mean? And so you you run the risk of hurting yourself when you don't show up to mini camps and everything. So I think. Jonathan: mmm Mario Anthony Gutierrez: ⁓ on all sites. This was probably what's best for everybody. Jonathan: Absolutely. Dang. I didn't put it in the news, but I was someone else that was in contract disputes with their team. actually it showed up. I can't remember. I can't remember someone that showed up. They showed up in good faith. So in good faith, the one to do their talk through their contracts and be there in the building, what not not working out, but in the building. So Mario Anthony Gutierrez: It's time. ⁓ High school. Okay. Okay. Jonathan: It's a step in the direction, right? It's a step in the direction. So you're not at home doing something stupid. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah, and then... Yeah, the opposite of Aaron Rodgers right now. Jonathan: Hey, you know, that's what I think is the most disrespectful thing is what he does to his teams. Every team that he's on, the team needs to know if you're going to be a part of their, you know, situation, what they're doing next year. going into the draft and here you are hiding, not talking about it, holding your, you know, they want to see what you're going to, you know, I don't know. it something like, do they go draft a quarterback and does he take it like it's a slap of the face to him and it's like, all right, now I want to go to another team or I want to retire. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. I, from what I've heard from Aaron Rodgers more recently is that he really wouldn't mind bringing someone up and taking them under his wing and being, the whole thing is being better than Favre. Being better than Favre. So he would like to have a legacy left where he took someone under his wing for a year or two and he still thinks he's got two good years left in him, maybe three. And I'm like, well, If you see yourself as a future first ballot Hall of Famer, just freaking say it. Just say, hey, you know what? I'm old. I'm not going to be at mini camp. give the backup quarterback some reps out there. Just be honest and say it, right? Jonathan: so many vets that get the nod and not do have to do it and it's okay for them, right? Like that's okay. I that's okay. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Daniel: Yeah, and that could just be the agreement between the team and him, but it's the same thing like Stafford last year, right? They just kept on designating him with the back, but come to find out during the season, they just didn't want him, they put him in bubble wrap. They're like, what does he need to do at mini camp and training camp to prove anything? As long as he's working on his conditioning and his strengthening, now he's not going to have anywhere in terror when the season starts. So like they designated him with a back injury and brought Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Mm-hmm. Daniel: all of these things in but they just they just put him on ice for the offseason because they know that they could just wind him up and send him out since he's been in the league for 17 years you know so like why don't you just go through the same thing well he's not under contract you never know what's gonna happen but I'm sure there's some sort of like yeah I'm coming back next year I'll sign right at you know June 1st and then we'll go there but you know Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Jonathan: Yes. Daniel: for all intents and purposes, I am here. Don't worry about that kind of deal, you know? Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah, I mean he's earned the right to say that stuff and tout it and just, you know, it's just and respect the fans, respect the organization. Just say it and they need to respect him back. Jonathan: Absolutely. Daniel: Yeah, I'll be here, but I'm not signing till June 1st, so, you know, leave me alone. I'm gonna go heal up. I'm 43, 44 years old or whatever, you know. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Yeah. Jonathan: Fans like to know, but I think organization because they're more, I think more of them because they're planning. They need to know, do we need to replace this guy? Do we need to go another direction? It changes their direction of what they're doing with only so many pegs, right? Daniel: That's the question that I'm bringing up is like, do they do they really not know? You know, do they really not know? Or is that something that's more like media driven because he's not under contract and in the building and around? Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah, absolutely. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah, because it... I think... Jonathan: Mm, yeah. ⁓ That's a big one. Yep. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: I think it's more media driven. Yeah, I think ⁓ from what I heard, they are happy with Will Howard. They're not happy with the QB ⁓ choices, this draft. So they'd rather give Will Howard some hours back there, whether it's trial by fire or whatever. ⁓ Jonathan: I dunno. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: If they have to draft next year, draft a QB next year up high, if he really crashes and burns. But if they got Aaron Rodgers, so for me, think it's, what do you do in that case? Wait, your quarterback's old and the other one's a rookie. Protect them. And you know what? They actually have a pretty good O line. So then what do you need? They need a second wide receiver. And they're... Daniel: Yeah. Jonathan: Absolutely. Mm-hmm. you Mario Anthony Gutierrez: what you might call it, running back room wasn't all that great either. So they have some definite things they need to hit. And if they address those, those have nothing to do with the quarterback. So yeah, I think this is all smokescreen. Daniel: and use our defense. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. Could be. Yeah, could be. Daniel: Yeah, they need youth on defense too. Especially at safety. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Jonathan: Yes. ⁓ Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Well, luckily it's a deep class. Daniel: Luckily, especially at that position as well. All right, last bit of news that we have here before we'll jump into the draft is Bangles acquire Sexy Dexy Lawrence from the Giants for the 10th overall pick. And they extended his contract to 2028. They added one year, $28 million. He's never going to see a penny of that. I'm sorry, unless if it's fully guaranteed, he's never going see a penny of that. But. Jonathan: Thank Mario Anthony Gutierrez: It is the Bengals. Daniel: It made him feel better, made him feel fluffy, and now he's ⁓ happier to go play with the Bengals even though they basically just added a voidier to his contract to make him smile. But, yeah. I don't trust the Bengals as far as I could throw Dexter Lawrence, so... Jonathan: You Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Jonathan: Hey, it's to make your burrow feel better that there's something on the other side of the ball doing something. Daniel: I mean, well, they lost Trey, you know. Now they don't even draft a 10, so they're not going to pick up any defensive players besides, well, Dexter Lawrence is worth the 10th overall pick. think that was still a pretty good move, but. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: ⁓ heck yeah. You weren't going to get in. What I heard this morning was that they were dead set on getting a cornerback. They were good with Delane or McCoy. And when McCoy's ⁓ medicals came back that his bone plug didn't take and he was going to have to go in for a second surgery, they had panic throughout their front office and within one hour they called the Giants about Dexter Lawrence and made the deal happen. So they had a plan, that plan got burnt down and they believe that either you have someone super strong in the back end or you have a super strong front end and that they can kind of fill with positions on either way and they're They're pretty happy with their thought on Shemar Stewart and Mafay being there next to Lawrence. And then they can have some rookies come up that they can just keep hitting and hitting and hitting in the backfield there and ⁓ see what they can do. And hey, you know what? That could be a Super Bowl winning formula. Yeah. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. The beat is good, well. Ready? Yeah. Daniel: They could really get a high-end Stardecalibur safety at pick 42, right, in the second round. Like, high-end. So, and, well, they do have, ⁓ Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Yeah. Jonathan: Thank you. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: and linebacker too in this class. Daniel: Barrett Carter who finished really strong there and then they brought in, I forgot who they brought in. So they did, they do have like up and coming young linebacker core and solid, but that they need help on that backend, like, you know, the, the, the secondary with their corners and their safeties. And they've got. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Mm-hmm. Daniel: battle as safety that's there still I believe. ⁓ So like yeah a corner would be help but I don't know if they're gonna hit a corner I might just bolster the other. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Corner would be helpful. The only reason why I said linebackers because some of these guys have really good coverage ratings and the caliber of player at linebacker versus the caliber of player at cornerback by the time they get to pick that might be a toss-up for them depending on how they're building their team. safety should be their number one. Daniel: Thank Mario Anthony Gutierrez: because that's going to be the absolute best position by the time they pick around the second round. in my opinion. But who knows, some defensive tackles might fall too. Then you just rotate the old guy. Keep him fresh the whole time. Jonathan: Are you gonna be there? Daniel: Nice. So, yep, go. Jonathan: Okay Uh, nah, I was gonna say it's the draft. So first pick Raiders are on the clock. I didn't know what we were going to do, who was going to show. I didn't know, uh, how you wanted to hit this. Cause I didn't know, you know, do we, you want to take some guesses? You guys want to guess it where we think, uh, people will get drafted like we've done in past years. Uh, know what you guys wanted to do so Daniel: Yeah, we can start with the Raiders. Maybe we pick some teams and talk about fits that we might like to see for that team. We could talk Top 10 for sure. I know we might be running a little short on time, so yeah, we could definitely do Top 10. Talk about what those would be and then maybe the Buccaneers because we're all excited about the Buccaneers here. Everybody else is going to have to deal with it. Jonathan: Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, and dreams. Yes, hopes and dreams, hopes and dreams. So, okay. Well, well, Raiders on the Clock, do you, you know. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Daniel: Yeah. So. Who do you think? Anybody think they're not going to take one dose of it? Jonathan: You know, I just have a small percentage chance that they're just hoodwinking, you know what I mean? Like, they do something else. It's just the Raiders. It's like a two-percent chance, no, mean, I mean, like everything, signs point to they've brought in the kid, they've talked to him, had Brady talk to him on the phone. I mean... Mario Anthony Gutierrez: ⁓ yeah. Yeah, and they're going to stab him too. Daniel: ⁓ yeah, they're already installing the defense, their offense with him. They already came out and said they're going to be drafting him, so it would be a draft night kerfuffle if it gets traded or something happens. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: You Jonathan: Yeah, you know. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah, they have Kirk Cousins in who's got the same work and homework ethic, but all of Mendoza's measurables are better. Jonathan: They're like the same person, right? It's why they're proud of it. They're like the same person. Neither of them cuss. They're like very nice guys. Daniel: Hmm. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah, think Kirk might have a little bit stronger of an arm, but ⁓ Mendoza is a better athlete overall and a little heavier. Kirk's, they've always been worried about Kirk being 205. And that's what he came into the NFL as. ⁓ I think the... ⁓ Jonathan: Yeah, his little paper, Daniel: Yager, he's a mopping freak. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Hit rate on QBs under 211 has been super low and Kirk's one of, think, only three QBs that's ever made it to consistent starter. And ⁓ Mendoza's all his measurables hit above that. Jonathan: I mean. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: If he's a little souped up, her cousins, that's not horrible. Daniel: Yeah. Six... Six... Not a little soup doll. Six-five-two-thirty-five. I he's a monster. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Daniel: He's got that, what are they, the sleeper build, right? You don't think about it until you stand next to it and you're like, holy cow, that is a big dude. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Jonathan: Yo, hello, hello. Hey, he just keeps going. Yeah, that's one of those. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: They keep comparing him to Brock Purdy as a diss and I'm like Brock Purdy's 10 yards split was faster than Devo, than McCaffrey. The only one faster on his team than him was who was it the Crowder I think? ⁓ Daniel: Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Cowan on his team. And so everyone's just like, yeah, that's a heck of a sleeper, Phil. And I'm like, I don't think he's as athletic as Purdy, but he's definitely not unathletic. Same way like Caleb Williams too, the way he's he's thick and doesn't seem like it, but the things they can pull off, I'd put him in the same similar type of category. So not as high as Caleb Williams, but like archetype. Jonathan: Okay, okay. Not a bad archetype. So. All right. So going off the clock jets, jets. Do you think the jets? What do you think the jets do? What do you think the jets do? I mean, they are heavily looking at what's his name? I've got it over here. I'm looking at ⁓ Bailey. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. If you looked at Arvel, Reese and Bailey, those two. Daniel: and barely Jonathan: Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: but they canceled their 30th visit on Bailey. Jonathan: They've also on Bailey. Yeah, they also canceled on Bailey. They said, you know, they saw him in the draft. They went to his pro day. They've had enough time with them that they needed to spend time with one of their other 20, you know, people. excuse, right? Could be an excuse. Don't look anything into this. And then they draft someone else anyway. Daniel: Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Mm-hmm. That's such a tough call. Daniel: I just, if they draft Reese, I think that they should go Bailey because it's straightforward, right? Put them at edge, coach them up. You're good to go. With Reese, they're going to need to figure out what, how to play him, what to do and where to move him, you know? And you've got so many other missing pieces on that team. Like Jonathan: Mm-hmm. Daniel: Right now to have like a high end set it and forget it dude could be much more valuable than having that finishing chess piece to make your defense ridiculous, you know? So like, I don't know, but you know, if they basically build that entire defense around Arvel Reese, then they could be pretty awesome because he can... Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Daniel: He's so flexible he's gonna throw off the entire offense. Yeah, he's got a high ceiling You know all of that edge rusher stuff and talk about being an edge rusher and and how well he did this year they would Mario Anthony Gutierrez: It's got a high ceiling. Daniel: Teams are in meetings were saying that they were asking him like, you know what his plan was on this pass for us and and how he came to the moves and stuff like that. And he's just like, honestly, I don't know what you guys are really talking about as far as the pass for us goes. I have a general idea, but I just kind of like go off of instinct and attack, you know, and then try to get around. And they're like, ⁓ what? Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah, exactly. Daniel: You don't, you have no idea what you're doing and you're this successful. Jonathan: your instincts that's something so Daniel: And so, yeah, and so it's like, well, are they going to put him at edge or is it going to be linebacker or is it going to be some just hybrid side? But he's still going to be, he's still going to be a defensive player that is high touch for the coaching staff because A, you're going to want to teach him edge attack actual stuff because that can improve him so much more. And B, you need to create a plan because he's good enough to wreck a game as long as you have a plan. So like. Jonathan: You Mm-hmm. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Daniel: Is the, do we trust the Jets to do that is the question. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Right. Because they said him and Sonny Styles on the same team, they're watching all kinds of Sonny Styles tape because of his combine. And people kept going, wait, that's a different number. ⁓ that's Reese. That's not about Reese. And so they said, when you watch the tape, Reese has better instincts and he's just a little more disruptive. But Jonathan: Mmm. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Sonny Stiles is one of the smartest football players in this draft and he can do better coverage. So they said really Jonathan: ⁓ He is so- I really like- Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Between the two of them, but they're both really high impact players. It's just, there's work to be put in on Reese. And his ceiling could be higher than Stiles. It could be higher than any person on this draft. ⁓ the right coaching staff is gonna need to get him there. Daniel: Any! Yeah. Jonathan: Yeah. Daniel: Sony Styles has a way higher ceiling at middle linebacker and Arvel Reiss has a ridiculously high ceiling at endresher. But they already know that he's also a really good inside linebacker. Right? But the potential of Sony Styles as an inside linebacker is actually higher than Arvel Reiss. But... Jonathan: I know how to say it. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah, he is. Daniel: Arvel Reese's edge potential, like he was whooping ass and he had no idea what he's doing for technique or anything like that. like, making people look silly, right? And so like, then you turn him into a technician and unleash him on the edge and he could be the best edge defender in the league, you know, like that's his ceiling is like Hall of Fame level, you know? Jonathan: I'm not saying anything. Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Jonathan: Thank you. Daniel: And so ⁓ both of those ceilings, their ceilings are outrageous for the positions that they're being talked about coming in in this draft. It's crazy. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. And then, and then with Bailey, he fits, ⁓ he fits the coaches scheme and he'll be an impact player immediately. But no one knows what the coach is going to be there next year. You know, if this is his last year or he's still going to be around, do you really want to fill in for his specific scheme when you're building a team for the future. And so that's where Bailey, know, any team that picks him up, he's going to do well. But just the ceiling, when you're picking in the top five, ⁓ he's more like a six, seven, eight type range normally in this kind of draft. And because of the depth in this draft, that's why he could go second. Jonathan: Let us stop in that. Daniel: Yeah. Plug and play. Jonathan: Thank you. Daniel: They compare him to Aiden Hutchinson. That's David Bailey's comparable. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Daniel: You know, so they're like, it just makes a lot of sense because you just plug and play player and then go address all of the other problems that you have rather than concentrating on your star and making them better and then forgoing the coach everybody else up kind of deal. So like there it's, you know, kind of interesting. All right. So we, who we going? ⁓ our Vel Reese or David Bailey. Now that we've given the argument to, to John, John, who would you take? Jonathan: Any questions? Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Jonathan: It's the Jets. mean, I see them. ⁓ I see them going to Arville Reese. I don't see them making the David Bailey. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: think historically Jets pick guys with really high ceilings and then when they make it to other teams we start seeing that. Jonathan: Mm. Daniel: Yeah Jonathan: Yep, that is true for looking great on that second contract. Daniel: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All I know is I'm avoiding whoever they draft and that's just the way goes. Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: That's right. Jonathan: Yep. think that's yeah, I think that's okay. So we have Reese off the board at number two, number three Cardinals on the clock. Cardinals have some beans. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: ⁓ my gosh, I've heard so much smoke on this. Jonathan: I've heard a lot of things, yeah. Daniel: Go, John. What have you heard? Jonathan: Well, I've heard I've heard them wanting to possibly trade out of this spot. I've heard them wanting to trade out of the spot. I mean, can you pick somebody that can move into this spot? That's not terribly far. I have someone I have someone. No, go ahead. I want to hear someone else first. I don't want to. Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: It's... Daniel: ⁓ Go ahead. ⁓ I'm hearing the rumors that it's ⁓ heavily the Chiefs, but also conversations with Dallas. The two that hold the first two first rounds. So, yeah. So. Jonathan: Yep, yep, yep, yep, yeah, that's just me. Yeah. Yep, and both wanting to move up and I totally see both wanting to move up and take love. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: That's what I've heard is whoever's moving up, it will be for Jeremiah Love. ⁓ Because ⁓ the Giants also really like Love. And they're gonna want to go ahead of the Giants. And so three might be the spot to do it. And I heard that if the Cardinals stick and pick, they're gonna go receiver. Jonathan: I mean. Daniel: Yeah. Jonathan: Tell me. All right. ⁓ you Daniel: Mmm. Jonathan: So they don't, yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: And they're going to get that Marvin Harrison prototype is also in this draft, but he's heard a lot. Daniel: Yeah, and. ⁓ Mm-hmm. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: So they're talking about, what's his name? ⁓ Daniel: Tyson or Lemon? Jonathan: You take Dyson? Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Tyson, Jordan Tyson. So I hear that the teams in the top 10 are actually higher, way higher on Tyson. And he could be the first wide receiver off the board ahead of Tate. And that the Cardinals are definitely looking at him. Daniel: or yeah out of Arizona. Mm-hmm. They're also saying that about the Chiefs, that they're super high on Tyson. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: But their first option would be trading out though. Jonathan: Yeah, but that just that just drops Jeremiah love right into the hands of the Titans right into the hands of the Titans Daniel: Who I think would still be excited to draft him. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Jonathan: I mean, yeah, but they, think they need the offensive line first, in my opinion, right? So. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Day 2. Daniel: I mean... Jonathan: I think that's a bigger, I think that's a bigger important than. Daniel: It depends. You're not going to get a player like him next year and you're hoping that you might, you'll either know that your quarterback is your guy or you're going to be drafting high next year and picking up a Right? So I think getting that running back, even though you're not ready, just like the Raiders, right? I think the Raiders still made a great move with Gentie. It may be a shitty rookie year, but that talent is still in your building. Jonathan: No, he's good. They're be going after another quarterback next year and it's high pick nature, I think. Yeah, but here's Yes, but it's alright so I just see years ticking off of a running back that's the only guy they've got a time clock right we've got a time clock Daniel: He's he's young coming in. You're right. He's young coming in and, and the running back of his skillset really helps for rookie quarterback. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: Sure. Okay, I've got a young man- had a running back of that skill set that had my knee problems. His name was Todd Gurley. He would still be in the league today, except for that talent. You know what I mean? So it can happen. It can happen to anybody. Yeah. Okay. For both of you, for both of you. So ⁓ it can happen to anybody. So you ⁓ Daniel: Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: That star shines so bright. Daniel: Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Jonathan: especially on a team that may not be ready for him. You know what mean? ⁓ Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Daniel: I don't know. I think that. Jonathan: I I just think that's a, it may be, it's a bad move for love. The better moves are definitely the two teams that want to trade for him. Cowboys would be the best fit because he's going to be the best fantasy fit for him. But ⁓ with the Chiefs, he'll win Super Bowls. mean, he's going to be a one, two punch with, ⁓ with Kent, with with Walker there, right? So, but. Daniel: So what do you, what. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Absolutely. Jonathan: He's going to be a one-two punch, but that's kind of what they like. I they're, they're realizing they made the mistake years back with E.H. and should have Jonathan tailored it. And now they want that, hey, that loves there. Let's get that guy. We made that mistake. Let's get that guy. Daniel: all of these. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Well, think about it this way too. Daniel: But what if, you know, how do you think those Kenneth Walker owners that are doing laps and super stoked about that signing just gonna get torpedoed during this draft? Because he's gonna be worth less here than he would in Seattle at that point. But also, what if the Chiefs are coming up for a receiver? What if they're coming up for Tyson instead? Because they did just sign Kenneth Walker. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: They also like them. Daniel: and they can get a receiver under a rookie contract at a fraction of the price of what you would be paying a receiver to in the league. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Well... So there's also this, if they did stick with Jeremiah Love, Kelsey's getting older, Rashi Rice has all those problems, and those are all catches that happen in the middle of the field, right off the line. Running backs with the talent of Kenneth Walker and Jeremiah Love could fill in. And financially, it's a better move than paying a wide receiver. I know that it's a top 10 pick and it is what it is as far as being a rookie contract, but if he's great and you have to sign him to a second contract, you'd much rather be paying a running back who's working that middle of the field there. Yeah. So if Andy reads plant. Jonathan: Absolutely. I'll wave to the tools. ⁓ Daniel: than a 40 million dollar, 20 million dollar running back rather than a 40 million dollar receiver, you know. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: I mean, you'd get both running backs for 24, but both running backs would be under 30 million for both of them, you know? And the way the cap keeps going up, WR2s are going to be worth 30 million. They're already getting that. So. Daniel: Mmm. Jonathan: Yeah. Daniel: They already are getting 30. You know, that's what, like, yeah. That's what I'm saying. They might come up with draft of wide receiver. But that's, I think that the financial aspect more than the talent is going to be starting to shape this first round also because of the way that the cap has gone out of control with certain things like wide receiver. like. Jonathan: Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah, so I'm just thinking with Auntie Reed. Jonathan: you Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Daniel: If you draft a wide receiver in the first round, that is, and you think that, and that's why like more teams that already have receivers are going to be drafting receivers because they still need a wide receiver too. And it's cheaper to. pay the rookie contract than it is to sign an experienced wide receiver two. So then that wide receiver two is going to have to go out and find a job somewhere else, right? And then you've got five years of that rookie contract as a wide receiver. So even if it takes a while for them to get going, you still get two years of fantastic production on the cheap in comparison. And even if they turn into a wide receiver one for your team, Mario Anthony Gutierrez: That's also true. Okay. Daniel: Then you've got a succession plan to let the guys go so that you're not paying so much in that position. The $50 million for the wide receiver wide. Jonathan: That's why running backs are less likely in the top right. It's wide receivers, offensive linemen, defensive edges, quarterbacks. Yup. It's the big decisions. So yeah, it's smart. Daniel: quarterback. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Mm-hmm. Daniel: So, yeah. Jonathan: ⁓ so I mean like yeah if if so Dang it. So what do we got? So what do we got at three? We had Does does card goes keep the pick do they trade the pick out? I think they trade the pick out but they could keep it and then So do we have them keeping it and going wide receiver or we have trained them out? Are we going with the trade? No trade. What do do? Mario Anthony Gutierrez: So what, I'm gonna put one more team, team stat in there. The Rams coming up for love. Jonathan: Okay. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: to push for Stafford's retirement, another Super Bowl. They're already showing they're going all in. Daniel: ⁓ they would have to they would have to sell the farm for next year is the problem. Jonathan: because don't they? Yeah, I was gonna say don't they they don't have a you don't have a pick this year. That's what I thought. Right? They used it. No. No. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: No, they actually did get a first round pick from Atlanta. Daniel: They had two. So now they have one. Jonathan: Yeah, so yeah. Okay. Daniel: And it is pick number. 13. So they're not really driving that far. They traded the pick that was in the 20s ⁓ to Kansas City for that 29. So let's say Cardinals. Jonathan: Hmm. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Jonathan: Okay, okay, okay. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: So that's what I was hearing. Jonathan: So three drop, yeah see I think if you're dropping at three, mean nine's a better spot, but it depends on what you're going for. You might be able to get it at 12. I don't see him taking it at 13. So I don't see Rams getting it unless they pay higher offer than what the other guys are offering. It's got a. Daniel: Ugh. ⁓ yeah, I wonder how many... Mario Anthony Gutierrez: also because it's within the vision. Daniel: Yeah, that too. They're never selling it to the Rams. They're gonna sell it to the Cowboys. It's going to the Chiefs because the Chiefs are in the AFC. That's what's happening. The Chiefs are trading up to number three. They're gonna be, because they're in the AFC, they know they, with the likelihood of them having to face Jeremiah Love is that much less. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: within divisions. ⁓ Jonathan: You're always telling me your division. Yeah, I could see it coming Cowboys. They just know that'll be a test of another's control. Yeah, yeah well, it's cause Cardinal's not going this way ever. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: There we go. And Gardner Minshew will be booting them out that way. I'm very sorry. Who's going to be, who's starting for the Chiefs? Wentz? Daniel: Yeah. Jonathan: No. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: In case Mahomes isn't there first, Jake. Daniel: No, Wentz is with, Is it Mintchew? Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Who got signed to the Chiefs as the backup quarterback? No, Minshew and Brissette are in Arizona. Jonathan: He was? I think he was. No? Daniel: No. It's not Wentz. Wentz is in the... That's right. Arizona. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: think it is WENCE. Daniel: ⁓ So we're going Jeremiah Love at pick three. Wentz is in ⁓ Minnesota. Jonathan: I'm okay, I'm okay. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Okay. Okay, Jeremiah Love, pick three to the Kansas City Chiefs who trade up. Daniel: Yeah, Wentz is in Minnesota. Jonathan: Thank Daniel: And the Titans are crying. Jonathan: We have trusted fields. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: ⁓ that's right, Justin Fields is there. Jonathan: If. We have Justin Fields. Fields, Jake, Jake Hayner. Justin Fields. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: And Andy Reed said he might have some packages to make sure that even if Patrick Mahomes does start, that field gives him some rest and he's out there throwing the football sometimes too for maybe the quarter of the season. Jonathan: Chris O- So we have three trading to nine. Nine. Sorry, we have three trading to nine, right? So chiefs trade up, chiefs take love. Okay. So then four, ⁓ Titans are pissed off Titans either. Yeah. That's fancy world goes. We always do when, when trades happen. Right. So, ⁓ do, do they swing? Daniel: You're super quiet, John. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Mm-hmm. Fantasy World Goes Wild. Yeah. Jonathan: into ⁓ Francis Moyago. I'm gonna butcher this meme. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Malinoa? Alright, yeah. That's a tough one. It's like, Maui Noah, I think is... Daniel: Maui, no. Yeah. Jonathan: Yeah. Daniel: Yeah, I've heard them say... Yeah, Mali Goa, Mali Goa. Yeah. I think that they go Sunny Styles. Jonathan: see this right now we go up. Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Jonathan: You are don't see. I know he's gotten so much hype that he's not going to drop us to the books. love it. So ⁓ I know I loved the first the first mock that came out that Adam coming to us. I'm like, yes, leave it that with that. I know. I know. Look, up. So Daniel: at four. ⁓ no way, there's no chance! No way. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Daniel: I think that, ⁓ Jonathan: It's way too good. Way too. Daniel: ⁓ what's his name? Mario Anthony Gutierrez: There's a chance we get Ruben Bane. Daniel: Yeah, forget. Yeah, you might drop. But we might not sign them because of all those other things too, so we would pick them up for that too. ⁓ Jonathan: Yeah, he might drop. I would, yeah. I don't know, you dropped half bar, they might. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Well, the other things were all... Yeah, I don't know. I don't see him as a... They said he's actually a really good team player and everything. It's just the accident happened back in 2024 and they said some dirty team went out there leaking the stuff that was already out there. yeah, the guy's got a motor on him, man. Daniel: Sala. Jonathan: But they take Sonny Styles all right at four. He hates the Titans. He hates the Titans. They totally get a friend. That's a solid pick. Okay, so Giants. I think they come in swinging with the first squad receiver here. Daniel: Yeah, Sala gets his Fred Warner. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Exactly. Daniel: You think so? Jonathan: I do. I do. think they ⁓ that are a cornerback because they're the you know they're not going to see Sonny Styles he went before him. They could swing into the cornerbacks but ⁓ Daniel: for safety. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: I think if they took the top overall safety here, ⁓ that would really improve their defense because of the kind of dynamic play areas. But I also, I don't know that, you know what, Joe Shane. Daniel: down. Jonathan: See you Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: He bucks the... He may not go for the positional value thing. And he might just take the best player he thinks is available. And that could be down. Jonathan: Hmm that ⁓ yeah, it Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Thank you. Daniel: Or is it a hardball pick and it's Francis Marinuga? Goes offensive line. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: But... Here's the other thing. They put tibetot out there on the trade market also. Jonathan: Mmm. They did. They did. They're trying to get a pay. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: So what if they go Bailey here? Jonathan: That's a good pick, a pick to get something. Daniel: They could go nearly. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Cause they, cause they just got rid of Lawrence. They also, they're looking to get rid of Tiveto. They, but they've invested a lot, so they want it to work and edge rushes are hard to come by. Jonathan: Yeah. Mm hmm. ⁓ Probably get like a second for him. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Jonathan: Maybe a low first. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: So I hear they're really going for ⁓ what's his name at wide receiver, but I wouldn't put it past Harbaugh picking Bailey instead. Daniel: I'm good with Bailey. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: No, not Tate. Not Tate, the other one. ⁓ Daniel: Tyson. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah, Tyson. Jordan Tyson. I keep forgetting his name. Jonathan: Mm. Mm. Daniel: I'm good with Bailey. Jonathan: Say? Daniel: Giant Select Bailey, number five. Jonathan: Giant Select Bailey. I know a happy Giants fan. It's one of the names he wanted. ⁓ Brown's on the clock. Who do they bring into their organization and ruin another future? What do they do? Daniel: line they go online they're gonna set they're gonna set the table for quarterback next year Jonathan: Protect the doer. So they go, so they go, mawegoa is what you're saying. They go, hey, you fell. You fell, look at us. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: of me. Daniel: Yep, Francis Mowry go. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah, they should. Because Caleb Downs would do really well there and they need help in their secondary. you gotta keep, just look at who they have at QB and ⁓ you gotta beat that O-line. You have to. If they don't pick O-line here, their fans should get in line and slap them one after the other. Jonathan: Thanks. Mm-hmm. Daniel: you have. Jonathan: Checked. I think they've been working that for very long time already. Daniel: I mean they could take receiver because it's flashy, but they should go O-line and it should be Malagoa. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. Okay. Marigola. Marigola at six. Seven. Commanders on the Daniel: Downs all day. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: ⁓ they're pissed, love is gone. But yes. Jonathan: Hey. Yeah. Yeah. Daniel: They're pissed love is gone, but Dan Quinn is super stoked to get Caleb Downs on his defense. ⁓ my gosh. Jonathan: I, okay. I can see that. I can see that being a downs the spot right there. So I, I put, all right. Downs downs at seven saints saints. ⁓ I think this is where, okay. Okay. Okay. This is another team. I have pencil going at wide receiver. I think it ruins the draft stock of, ⁓ Blanket on his name. They're they're, ⁓ Mario Anthony Gutierrez: That's right. Olavi? Daniel: T- a-l-o-b-e, yeah. Jonathan: ⁓ thank you. Chris. ⁓ thank you. Are you? Yeah, I think they get lowers the draft stock of a lobby. I think they go after a guy that's going to bump him down the chart. So or take away some take away some touches, take away a lot of touches from. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: I don't know. So do they go Tate here? do we give Tyson? ⁓ so Jordan Tyson's still out there. Tate or Sadiq? Daniel: No receiver has been drafted to this point. Jonathan: No receiver has been touched yet. We've talked about it, but we haven't handed a single one away, so. Daniel: What let's see I think the most complimentary receiver to Who they have now ⁓ Would be lemon because we can play slot wide receiver 2 and a lave is an alpha 1 perimeter guy. He's not as big as Tyson, but that's his skill set. So I think if they do draft receiver, the smart thing for them to do is to draft a different kind of receiver and have a lave and lemon. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: See you tonight. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes. Daniel: attacking the different levels and working to their strengths inside that offense. And that would be a freaking potent wide receiver. Jonathan: Yeah, I think the I think I like the lemon pick because I know this is I know this is everyone else. This is very deep in, you know, the slot. This is very slot in Ritz. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah, think that he's in the same... I think, well, Tate isn't either. He's a 4'5' also, which is extremely suitable to the NFL. ⁓ Daniel: They need speed, which isn't lemon, but... Jonathan: Yeah. Daniel: evening. These receivers just aren't burners, you Not the top guys. Jonathan: Yeah. No. Good. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: But I know that a lot of the top guys are really high on Jordan Tyson. so, a lot of it's not big. And so, that would be the reason I would go Tyson over Lemon. But if... Jonathan: Hmm. Daniel: A lava is not big. Jonathan: No he's not. Hmm. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Seeing Alavi miss so much time with his concussions, you might go with a guy who has a clear medical bill of health and sure hands. I'm good with lemon here. Yeah. Jonathan: Mm. Daniel: Hmm. Jonathan: It's tough. mean, these, the, have three really good, you have three receivers here at the top. They're all very close. They're all decent. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: So the other thing is defense. They just let ⁓ Cam go and their defense is still really old except for some of their secondary. ⁓ You got some really nice defensive pieces that could go here. Jonathan: you Also, we've talked this or deeper of a quarterback. It is more deeper in the draft compared to wide receivers where it's a big drop off after the top three. So I think if they're this close, they'd jump at another top three guy wide receiver from this draft class. Somebody has potential to be in the top guy in the draft class and Daniel: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Okay. Daniel: and then they hope for a corner in the second round. I agree. Jonathan: and help her corner in the second. think that's their better chance. Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Because they could get to lane here, the number one corner in the draft. Daniel: They could get Mansord Delane here. They could. Jonathan: Like this. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: They said that people are panicked and could trade up after McCoy was coming back with his medicals. So I know that they're both highly thought of. Daniel: but they could also get the number one receiver in the draft too. Jonathan: Okay, so, ⁓ do we have a name for number eight here? Daniel: I'm going lemon. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: You know what? It's more fun for fantasy. Let's do Lemon. Jonathan: I don't think fine. Well, okay. I Daniel said lemon. said, okay, we'll go lemon. Okay. ⁓ so lemon off the clock. Let's go Cardinals back on the clock at number nine. Yeah. Cardinals back on in number nine. Daniel: Cardinals. Cardinals draft Mancer Delane at 9. Cornerback. Jonathan: So we had, you think they. Hmm. I mean that's huge, but I pay half. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Mm-hmm. Daniel: That would be a sick cornerback duo with the rookie that they have from last year. That was super good. I forget his name. Jonathan: This good, but they have bigger holes. They do have much bigger holes. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: I know, but they're talking about Jordan Tyson at number three and he's still there? They could totally cardinal and pick him again there anyway, going, how is he still available? ⁓ Daniel: Yeah, I guess so. I would just like to see them have two full shutdown corners. Dude. Yeah, having two full shut down corners on rookie quarter on on on a rookie deal though would be Zack I could That could do a lot especially in that division Jonathan: Mm-hmm. ⁓ Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah, facing Matthew Stafford, yeah. Jonathan: Yeah, trying to all those quarterbacks, you know, okay. All right, so we're gonna hand the we're gonna hand and out Okay That's a curveball I definitely say it's a curveball. So we need curveballs. We usually pencil these things down and we're kind of like off on a couple of them, right? Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Isn't that sufficient? Yeah. Daniel: Curveball. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: No, I love that pic because... Yeah. Daniel: Yeah. Was it Michael Jordan that they have from last year as their cornerback? ⁓ Johnson. Yeah, dude. was awesome. ⁓ Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Alright. ⁓ Johnson, who he had an injury and when he came back, he was the top cornerback. He was the top cornerback in the league. Will Johnson. Daniel: Yeah. Yeah. You got two shut down corners. ⁓ that could do so much for your defense. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Especially with Buddha Baker floating with, you know, the last of his great years, but for the next two years, that's pretty good. Jonathan: Yeah. Daniel: Yep. Jonathan: Yeah, it is pretty good. OK, all right. So. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: and the giant is its head. Daniel: Giants at 10. Jonathan: Chai and finish out of 10. We'll finish out. So what was their first pick? went we didn't know we think we went they weren't the linebacker. They weren't they were the corner. They were a corner. No, they were they were a defensive end. They were ⁓ were they were Bailey. OK, sorry. I didn't write this down. I apologize. I'm terrible. Yes. They were. Daniel: Bailey. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Bailey! No problem, no problem. Yeah, so they were Bailey. Jonathan: They were Bailey, so they went defense. So swing back with the fact that Tyson's still sitting here and they go Tyson at 10. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yes, yes. So then you have neighbors in Tyson out there. That would be, and after the Eagles just got, they're getting rid of AJ Brown, they will be the new best pairing in the East there. Although, know, CD and Pickens aren't bad either, but whew. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. Daniel: Yeah. Yeah. Jonathan: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, Mario Anthony Gutierrez: And I would love to see Vega fall to the books. Jonathan: you know, I don't know. I have no hopes and dreams at this point. I don't know. ⁓ Daniel: I agree, Mario. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Here you go. ⁓ what's his name? Yeah. Daniel: Ola Vega Iwani Guard. Yes please at 15. Yes please. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: And I want to see ⁓ the chargers take up proctor. Jonathan: It's yours. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: I think Proctor O-Line, he's super, super talented, but he's only been playing O-Line for two years. And I think it's that, and ⁓ not only that, but... Daniel: No, that's not Proctor. That's ⁓ Ian Autor. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Okay, ⁓ okay, proctor though ⁓ he's a gimmick guy. Daniel: Proctor's the Alabama kid. Jonathan: Proctors Alabama. He's a bull. Look at him. He's six, six. He's six, six and a half. Three hundred and fifty two. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: But they have him pitching and catching passes though too, the same way the Lions used, what's his name last year? He's incredibly athletic. So I would like to see him used like Sewell for the Chargers and ⁓ Justin Herbert out there. Daniel: You too. Jonathan: true in Daniel: So, how they so yeah or the, I'm sorry. Jonathan: You too. Daniel: John, you know at the combine at 352 pounds, do you know what his vertical was? Jonathan: Mm-hmm. No, I do not. don't have it. Holy Daniel: 32 inches. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah! Daniel: He shattered the record for a player over 350 pounds. Shattered it. Jonathan: Holy shit, I'm not sure if that's Holy moly. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: So I would love to see him at the Chargers and moved into Guard. And with Slayer and Alt there... ⁓ man. Jonathan: Good thing he lives in the private. Daniel: There's one knock on him. He played his first year at $350, he played his second year at $390, and he was mad. And then his next year, he played back at $350, and they were like, this guy's awesome. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. D'oh! Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah, they're worried about his weight. Jonathan: Egg rolls. He's hanging out with Eddie Lacey one year is what it was. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: That's exactly what I was thinking. Egg rolls. Egg rolls. That's why I was thinking LA also. Because Harbaugh won't let him get to that. Jonathan: I know. It is what it Daniel: So that's the worry, they need to have him on a nutrition plan. Yeah. Jonathan: ⁓ Mario, was talking to your brother the other day. ⁓ was going through paperwork. I was clearing out a box. I found a pad of mine from 2014 and it's all my names. I'm writing down and then you flip over to tags. It's Eddie Lacey. And I'm like, ⁓ it's that year. That year. Daniel: Yeah Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Ha! Daniel: you Mario Anthony Gutierrez: It's like stepping in front of a clay board. Daniel: Johnson... Oh yeah... You're like an inception. No! No! Mario Anthony Gutierrez: So much promise. Jonathan: Yeah, you know what I making moves just like you guys did right? mean you gotta make moves I'm so good. Sometimes they're bad, but you gotta make moves. You never know so I just okay nothing like getting the guy that goes to Cleveland and loses the will to live and then another guy ⁓ Packers it just finds the will to live apparently and Chinese food. So Yeah, I dig it Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Daniel: Yeah. Yep. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. You Daniel: Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: ⁓ what do you guys think of Nussmeyer and the ⁓ bone spur on his spine? Or what was it on his spine? It was a... He... Yeah, so they said that he dropped off last year and they found... ⁓ that's what it was. It was a cyst. So the cyst was on his spine all year last year and they found it at the combine. And so he's getting a procedure to get it removed and he should get all his mobility back from two years ago when everyone thought he was going to be the first pick of this draft coming out. Daniel: News to me. Jonathan: Yeah. And... Mario Anthony Gutierrez: So, what do you guys think of that news coming in? Jonathan: That's interesting. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Is that boost Nussmeyer for you at all? Daniel: skeptical ⁓ skeptical It's get me, you know Ninth pick of our rookie draft. Maybe I'll consider it Jonathan: Yeah, I'm skeptical as well. Mwahahahah Mario Anthony Gutierrez: You Daniel: Ninth round. Jonathan: I'm still sitting here with my popcorn and I, oh, ninth round, I'm like, I, I, ninth pick, I'm not here. I'm not here for a few, I show up in the third round, so that's cool. Daniel: Yeah. No, not not ninth overall. I mean like by ninth pick in the entire drive. Ninth round I'm gonna maybe consider whether or not to take a flyer on after that, but... Mario Anthony Gutierrez: You Jonathan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I understood that. Yeah! Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Do you think his dad will convince enough people to draft him to the Saints behind Chuck? Jonathan: Mario will travel much sooner. Maybe. Yeah. Daniel: I mean, if they get him on the cheap, maybe. Jonathan: They could try, Third day pick, yeah. ⁓ you think third round? That's kind of high. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Third round. Daniel: Third round? Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Third round. Entity two. Daniel: Fifth round. Jonathan: I'm more day 3 pick I think. Yeah, I lead day 3. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: ⁓ you think so? Daniel: Yeah, I think these quarterbacks are going to go way late. I think they're it's going to be like Ty Simpson in the second, maybe, maybe late first and then nobody until fifth round after that. I don't think there's going to be any in the third and any in the fourth. I think maybe one in the fourth and maybe that's Nussmeyer, but I think Jonathan: for a little while. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: That's interesting. Daniel: I think all the quarterbacks are going to go fifth, sixth, seventh. Jonathan: Yeah, that third round is just gonna be big boys and back end. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Daniel: Mm-hmm. receiver flyers. think there's going be a lot of receivers. There's just a shit ton of receivers in this class. And so I think the first round might be because of the financial decision, but then the flyers of the potential of some of these receivers are going to go. And I think it's going to be heavy tight end and heavy receiver 3-4. ⁓ Jonathan: So I didn't. Yeah, it's all squat. Yeah, it's all squat. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: See you. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Jonathan: So, ⁓ Daniel, I was sharing why I said it was a meh draft earlier. ⁓ I'm thinking as in our dynasty, Disney League, team needs. It doesn't fit my team needs, you know what I mean? Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Mm-hmm. Daniel: That's a good thing you don't have two first round drafts then, huh? Mario Anthony Gutierrez: ⁓ yeah. Jonathan: I need a linebacker to replace the retirement of Lavante David, but I'm not high enough to grab somebody I really like unless I make a move. So, yeah, you know. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah, I don't think I moved up high enough to get the one shattering need I need most on my team, which is quarterback. But for the one that probably won't even start this year, I moved into the second. Yeah. Jonathan: Ha ha ha. You might. You might. And the second. And the second. You moved into the second. You moved into the second. I believe one, I believe one good drop. I don't think they're going to be rampant just because it's a two quarterback league. I mean, I don't think people will jump on them in this year. You may get away in the first round. Sure. ⁓ Daniel: It depends. Yeah, if Ty Simpson, if Arizona trades back into the first round and picks up Ty Simpson, then he's worthy of a mid first rounder. Just because you know he's going to start, right? You know he's going to give you production this year, and you're at least going to see. Jonathan: Yeah, a fire. Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Especially if Jonathan: Yeah, yeah, you'll get you'll Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Jacoby Brissett's contract talks right now. Jonathan: Mm-hmm, you'll get time on the field. Okay, if that's if that happens Okay, yeah, I can see that Mario Anthony Gutierrez: It could possibly go that way. Daniel: But if he falls into like the third, yeah, no, he's his then then he'll be a, you know, second round pick solidly. But if he. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: But if Arizona trades in and it looks promising for him, I could see someone in our group picking him up with 110 or something like that. Daniel: Yeah. Jonathan: Maybe maybe depends Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Because there's not a lot of offensive, like the receivers, a lot of them look like they might be WR2s at best or whatever, and there's only one real running back. the offense is going to be a little thin. So I think quarterback could creep in where we could get two in the first round of our rookie draft. Jonathan: Yeah. It's possible. Like you said, if Arizona, yeah, if Arizona moves up, definitely. I could see that. I could see. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. And for contract reasons, you'd want to for the fifth year option as a team. Jonathan: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Daniel: Yeah, I think the top tier offense are going to be hammered in the first round. the second round is going to be the Wild West. I have no idea what's going to happen in the second round. top four receivers, top quarterback, top running back, top tight end. Jonathan: Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Mm-hmm. and sunny styles. Jonathan: Wow, no defense first round? ⁓ Daniel: ⁓ Those are all going to go first round. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Maybe just because there's not much in offense. So it could, but, I think it depends on where Sadiq and Stowers go because we're up, we're also tight ends, ⁓ half premium, right? So Stowers and, and Sadiq, like if one of them goes to Kansas city instead, boom, you know, they're going to be first round or, you know, depending on where they go. Jonathan: No defenses, friend. Yeah, that's how I feel is there might be a lot to do. Daniel: No, think that like eight of the ten in the first round will be offense. Yeah. Jonathan: Yeah. Huh? Hmm. Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: It could, that could be both of those tight ends go. Jonathan: Yeah. Okay. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: So it just depends. Jonathan: Coming from the tight anchor. like that. No, no, no, no. Daniel: Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah, I know. also, hey, Mike Washington could go super high because some GM falls in love with his measurables also. And that could post him up just because running back is always a thin position. Yeah. Jonathan: There was a possibility you see a second, one drafted in the second, I think. Daniel: It's, it's going to be. depending on when Pierce gets drafted too, could end up being in the first round also. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah, I Jonathan: One at the bottom, but you think one at the back end of the first? Daniel: Yeah, I think at like 110, 107, something like that. Jonathan: Wow, that high? Daniel: Possibly. Yeah. If he goes to Seattle... Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah, depending on where they drafted. There are some teams who have some, not so great. Yeah. Yeah. It's whoever's going to Seattle. Jonathan: Hmm. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: and Ant Love are both going to the first round. Daniel: So yeah, if Seattle drafts a back at 32 or at all, you know, they're worth a flyer in the first round because you've got a recovering. Jonathan: You jump on him? Yeah. Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: even in the second round. Jonathan: Okay. Competition. Yeah, it's competition. Yeah, there's nothing there. Yeah. That makes sense. Makes sense. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Sharpening is not going to be there for the first couple weeks. Daniel: Yep. Yep. Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Is this? Daniel: But it's going to be great to see how it works out in the real draft, which ends up dictating our fantasy draft in five days. Jonathan: ⁓ In five days. Yeah, exactly. Which we have the NFL draft here and giving a refresh, give an exact one day, 18 hours and 17 minutes. All right. So, ⁓ thanks for joining us. there's our one through 10 plus a lot of just where we think things may happen. ⁓ hopes and dreams with the bucks. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Hahaha! Yeah, there's so many tantalizing options. Jonathan: I don't know. Daniel: Guard. Olavega Iwona, that's what I want. And yeah. Jonathan: I hope it's good. That's all I hope. I hope it's just a good pick. That's what I want. I don't have a big Mario Anthony Gutierrez: They're like five dudes I'd be super happy about. Second round of Nervous. Daniel: Yeah. Jonathan: Peace. Yeah, five, yeah. Yeah, well, we'll see. Daniel: ⁓ I saw a mock that I got giddy about and I really hope it shakes out that way. I was like, ⁓ please, ⁓ please, ⁓ please, yes, ⁓ please, ⁓ please. That is my, that is, that is my ideal draft for the Buccaneers, absolutely. Vega then Rodriguez. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. Jonathan: Yeah. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Vega Rodriguez please Vega then Rodriguez Jonathan: Hopes and dreams. it is. So, ⁓ right into the show. If you want anything on the show, ffwc23 at gmail.com. ⁓ thanks for listening. We really appreciate you at the hour and 20 mark. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. ⁓ Just keep studying. Just keep studying. Just keep studying. Daniel: Yeah, that's right. Just keep setting. Mario Anthony Gutierrez: Yeah. 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