Latest / INSPIRE STORY / The Stairs In The Woods
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- 0:18Speaker 1: Oh baby, old baby, I'm excited.
- 0:20Speaker 2: I'm pumped. I'm so ready for it.
- 0:22Speaker 1: Is this is a good first episode to start with.
- 0:25I'm glad you suggested this. Yeah.
- 0:27Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's it's foundational to a ton of internet horror.
- 0:32And also like it's it's just a cool story to analyze, right,
- 0:35like the because it's known for one specific thing, but
- 0:39the story does a lot more than just that one
- 0:41specific thing as well.
- 0:43Speaker 1: Yeah, we're here, we can get into it. But Windy,
- 0:46why don't you go ahead and tell the audience what
- 0:48we're even starting with here?
- 0:51Speaker 2: By starting with you mean the story or like this podcast.
- 0:54Speaker 1: Either or I mean, I'm just excited all around.
- 0:57Speaker 2: I'm pumped.
- 0:57Speaker 1: Everybody amped up.
- 0:58Speaker 2: Welcome to Creepcat. I'm so excited for it. Me, me
- 1:03and my man here. Can I call you by your
- 1:05like real human name or Meat Canyon?
- 1:07Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, cool, I can call me by real name, Nathaniel.
- 1:11Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah Hunter here. Hunter and I have been
- 1:16talking about this podcast for like over a year now. Yes,
- 1:20it's it's been like in the back of my head constantly,
- 1:23like as soon as I get settled, we got to
- 1:24do this, And now I'm settled and now we're doing
- 1:27this and I'm so oh, I'm so ready, I'm so I.
- 1:30Speaker 1: Am too, I am too. It's given me a nice,
- 1:32a nice way to just it's an excuse just to
- 1:35consume stuff. That's like it's almost like listening to nice
- 1:39albums or something, right like consuming these horror stories. It's
- 1:42always like, oh yeah, I heard that one's good, but
- 1:44you never really take time to do it. So this
- 1:46is just like my little excuse to always have time.
- 1:49Now I get to make time to do it. And
- 1:51that's and that to me is exciting. And today it
- 1:54you know, this is a story that I've heard of,
- 1:56but I've never like dived into. And I was really
- 1:59happy that I did, very very excited about today's first
- 2:02first subject of our first episode.
- 2:04Speaker 2: The first episode of creep Cast. Ah'm so ready. It's
- 2:09so weird that it's tangible now that it was something
- 2:12like we've talked about for everything else. Here it's real,
- 2:15you can touch it. It feels good, so excited.
- 2:18Speaker 1: It's settling people because today we're talking about an extremely
- 2:23scary uh like not even old, but in terms of Internet,
- 2:27I would say it's it's it has some age on
- 2:29it now almost a decade old now in terms of Internet,
- 2:33that's prehistoric.
- 2:34Speaker 2: Yeah, a way, it's actually over a decade. It's twenty ten,
- 2:37so it's been twenty ten.
- 2:39Speaker 1: My sighting here says twenty fifteen. First, the first.
- 2:43Speaker 2: Part came out in twenty tenies.
- 2:46Speaker 1: Okay and icee, I see okay, Which for people wondering
- 2:50what do we talk what are they talking about today?
- 2:52What are we diving into, We're talking about the search
- 2:55and rescue series.
- 2:57Speaker 2: Yes, from our slash No Sleep a classic, a classic
- 3:01that I spawned a lot of like modern internet horror.
- 3:04But some people don't even realize, Like sure they they're
- 3:07probably familiar with the story, but they don't realize it
- 3:09created a ton of stuff that's really popular now.
- 3:12Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that you can you can tell
- 3:15in how not only is it presented, but also it's like, uh,
- 3:21it's it's almost like a not I don't want to
- 3:24say juvenile, but it's written in a way that feels
- 3:27like a Reddit post almost, or it feels like very personal,
- 3:30which I think translates really well into like a lot
- 3:33of the narratives that happen with like even video formats
- 3:36of like found footage stuff or like even some like
- 3:38Mandela catalog type stuff too like it. It has like
- 3:41that personality that those little characteristics that I love, and
- 3:44it's fun seeing it here. Before really this thing was
- 3:47like conceptualized before other things. Sure, you had your you know,
- 3:51some found footage stuff or some other kind of like
- 3:53at like little little aspects of horror. But this seeing
- 3:57in text form like this and seeing the response even
- 3:59in the post is really fun. Like it's such as
- 4:02it was such an enjoyable find. So it's cool. And
- 4:06it's a series of stories broken up into seven parts,
- 4:10seven delicious parts or eight parts.
- 4:13Speaker 2: It's it's eight parts counting these, it's eight parts finale,
- 4:16and then there's been some other stuff that the creator
- 4:19has done later on as like some final updates in
- 4:21the past few years. We'll get into all that when
- 4:24we get to it. But yeah, the main bulk of
- 4:26the story is eight parts.
- 4:28Speaker 1: Which I guess do you want to give a rundown of,
- 4:31like what is the general synopsis of the story.
- 4:34Speaker 2: Absolutely so. The original post was made to r Slash
- 4:38and No Sleep, simply titled I'm a Search and Rescue
- 4:41officer for the US FOURST Service. I have some stories
- 4:44to tell and from there, it is exactly what the
- 4:46title describes. It is someone who has worked in National
- 4:49parks describing some of the weird things that they've come
- 4:52across in those parks. As the series goes on, the
- 4:54person who is documenting these stories begins to speak to
- 4:58other Park Service rangers about stories that they've had, and
- 5:02then that kind of compounds into a greater conspiracy happening
- 5:05at this park, and the story like naturally unfolds from
- 5:08that starting point. But basically, the eight parts of the
- 5:10series are a recounting of strange things that go bump
- 5:13in the night in the United States National parks, which
- 5:17is a great format for like a horror story to
- 5:21this degree because not only is there are already so
- 5:25many like supernatural stories or conspiratorial stories around the National
- 5:29Park Service, but it's these, you know, for the most part,
- 5:34undocumented gaps of forest in the United States that we're
- 5:41supposed to like have a good handle on, know what
- 5:43goes on out there, but there's still so many, like
- 5:46in the real world, there's so many stories of people
- 5:48going missing, unexplainable disappearances and deaths and what have you.
- 5:53And the story I'm a search and rescue officer really
- 5:56capitalizes on a lot of that fear people seem to
- 5:59have around National parks in the Park Service as a whole.
- 6:02Speaker 1: To me, this is the number one manifesto of why
- 6:05you should never work in the US forces. That read
- 6:09to me because as we'll see in this document too,
- 6:11it's like not only is it coming from her perspective,
- 6:14but it's also coming from her like second storytelling of
- 6:17her being like you know, oh, I asked like a
- 6:20colleague of mine about stuff they've seen, or like her
- 6:24like basically recounting of other people who also work in
- 6:27the Forest Service, which also makes this kind of I
- 6:29wouldn't say even being working in a US Force service
- 6:32is it a mundane job? But when I first saw it,
- 6:35I was like, yeah, you think of like the stereotypical
- 6:37like almost like park ranger or something like that. Yeah, right,
- 6:40But it takes on like weird almost like government kind
- 6:43of conspiracy stuff or like things that are that are hidden,
- 6:46And there's a lot of like little fun entries that
- 6:49are that I think are just really fun that play
- 6:52into it being such a just kind of like a
- 6:54real person reciting real events, which is fun, which is
- 6:59the stuff of her, like seeing crazy monsters and being like,
- 7:02I probably shouldn't talk about this or I'd lose my job,
- 7:05and it's like fuck the job, just like run away,
- 7:11go to safety, you know what I mean.
- 7:13Speaker 2: It's it reaches midway through where you're like, bro, just
- 7:16just Quinn, what are you doing?
- 7:19Speaker 1: Get the hell out of here, which which we were
- 7:21talking about this earlier, and it was funny because I
- 7:23was like I was I was kind of telling you
- 7:24about some of the parts that I thought were like
- 7:26really amusing and stuff, and then you're right, You're like, yeah,
- 7:29it starts off really plausible, and it gets like just
- 7:31nose dives in the sep. But at the same time
- 7:34that's fun. I really enjoy that.
- 7:36Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's fun because like the way the story
- 7:39starts is you're in this position of like, oh, this
- 7:44could really happen. There's a bunch of people I know
- 7:47who like just heard the part one and thinks that
- 7:49The Stairs in the Woods are like a real story.
- 7:52Like this started like as a completely nonfiction thing, and
- 7:57that's kind of the tone it maintains in the beginning
- 7:59of like could really happen, And then once you're lured
- 8:02into that setting, then it becomes there's something going on here.
- 8:06Stuff keeps happening that's more frequent now and like I said,
- 8:09like I made the joke to you, it kind of
- 8:11gets an SEP foundation territory there, but it really does
- 8:14almost hit the degree of like we're part of agents
- 8:17who are meant to keep secret. There's things that are
- 8:19covering there. Yeah, and it makes me really excited to
- 8:23where the series might go in the future. But we'll
- 8:26talk about that stuff when we get to the end
- 8:27of this.
- 8:28Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, if anything, let's start diving
- 8:31into the actual first part here, which, like we said,
- 8:34which like we said, they're like almost it's like a
- 8:36collection of just like memories, but it's just like tiny,
- 8:40extremely condensed short stories of just retelling events, which starts
- 8:45off with the Barry picking children, which is which is
- 8:49an interesting one to start with. But then what I
- 8:52like to which also before we get into this too,
- 8:54is that there's some in the in the beginning at
- 8:56least where she'll tell you some like very creepy, weird
- 8:59stuff and then she'll kind of mix it in with
- 9:01some stuff like the guy who is hiding up in
- 9:04a tree because of a moose and it's just like
- 9:06little funny moments where it's like ha ha, yeah, we
- 9:08always talk about that because that's a funny time. Which
- 9:11is the blending of like horror and like kind of comical,
- 9:15like weird experiences you would have at your job. Give
- 9:18this a lot more authenticity, which I think adds to
- 9:21what you were saying about, like the staircase thing about
- 9:23people thinking that it's real, the staircases are actually out there.
- 9:27And I think that these little human moments really tie
- 9:30in all of these these things in just these little
- 9:32text blurbs.
- 9:34Speaker 2: Yeah, and also like I don't know if I can't
- 9:37remember if this is set in the story or I've
- 9:39been in contact with the author for those watching, and
- 9:43she's very cool, she's very nice. But I can't remember
- 9:46if he was in conversation with her or an interview
- 9:49I saw of her, or if it's said in the story.
- 9:50But the character of this story is a man named Russell.
- 9:54He is the search and rescue officer that the fictional
- 9:57character of the story's focused around. It's typically if we
- 10:01say she were referring to the author, if we say
- 10:02he will refer to the character. Because the author didn't suffer.
- 10:07Speaker 1: As no, no, no, no.
- 10:10Speaker 2: But Russell is having a hard go of it in
- 10:11the story.
- 10:12Speaker 1: So yes, very hard go of it. And there for
- 10:15a bit too. After like researching about the author as well,
- 10:19I almost just put her as the archetype in the
- 10:23story as well. Like I almost not to say that
- 10:25he did, not to say that Russell doesn't come up,
- 10:26but I started just reading myself almost as if it's
- 10:29her personal entries or something. I just if I got
- 10:33that level of immersion from it. So yeah, if so,
- 10:36if I slip up, that's the reason why.
- 10:38Speaker 2: Absolutely, And also so we can go ahead and start
- 10:41in the beginning of it. So yeah, as you mentioned,
- 10:44it begins with the barry picking story right again. This
- 10:46is just from the premise of a search and rescue
- 10:48officer describing some of the cases he's been on. And
- 10:50it starts with these two kids who are out berry
- 10:52picking and then one of them or both of them
- 10:56go missing. They find one of the kids who says
- 10:58that they're sibling was taken away by the quote bear man,
- 11:03which the sister already coming out of the gates swinging
- 11:06like first story.
- 11:08Speaker 1: I'll how you know you're getting into some fun crypto
- 11:10territory where it's quote animal and the followed with man.
- 11:15It could be it could be any kind of animal, giraffe, man,
- 11:18and you're like a fuck immediately, it's very nice and yeah,
- 11:23it is the sister who's found quickly, and yeah, I
- 11:25love that that, she says, the rescues find her, and
- 11:27she's just yeah, he was taken by the bear man,
- 11:32so creepy, which she describes it as being a tall,
- 11:35hairy type man with a weird face resembling a bear, which,
- 11:40in my mind, I love these kind of things when
- 11:43it's a child saying it, because to me, I almost
- 11:45read that as like because also to also clarify too,
- 11:50she or the the the author or the russell never
- 11:55tells you which forced it is. He's just like, I'm
- 11:57gonna lose my job, you know, I don't want to
- 11:59say where it's at. So to me, I thought Appalachian mountains,
- 12:03and I just assumed like inbred hills have eyes kind
- 12:06of you know, wrong turn hillbilly. When I read the
- 12:09description or whenever she says the description of tall, hairy
- 12:12and weird face, this is horrifying, and especially call like
- 12:17an inbred redneck guy a bear man, to me was frightening,
- 12:20which I'm sure it's an actual bear Man, but for
- 12:23when I was reading it, I was like, oh God, so.
- 12:27Speaker 2: Like I was reading this and the whole way through
- 12:29I was thinking like Appalachia up until she described a
- 12:32moose and I was like, oh, sure, okay, yep, all right, fair,
- 12:35but yeah, I had the same thought like bear Man,
- 12:37that's clearly West Virginia.
- 12:39Speaker 1: Question, Yeah, like kind of like West Virginia. And it's
- 12:42kind of cool. I think this is the one too
- 12:44where there's a couple search and rescue type beats in
- 12:47these stories, but they talk about like the grid system
- 12:49of like going out and trying to find people, and
- 12:51you like really like the search and rescue people. It
- 12:55isn't like they were like, oh, Okay, well he's gone.
- 12:56It's like no, she or the author really goes into
- 12:59describing like how extensive the search is. It puts a
- 13:02lot of like humanity into the character and then only
- 13:05to find no traces of the boy at all, and
- 13:08it's still just gone, no trace of them or an abduction,
- 13:12no struggle, it's just like simply disappeared, which is an
- 13:16extremely haunting way to start it, but also in a
- 13:19weird way too. These blurbs, which I don't know if
- 13:22the author meant to do this, but a lot of
- 13:23these blurbs tie in with like the way that they
- 13:27present information. You're like, oh shit, I wonder if you know,
- 13:29did the kid go up the stairs? Later on? Yeah,
- 13:32like how do they leave? You know, it's tie in
- 13:34are really fun, but you know, starting off with bear Man,
- 13:38it's pretty solid.
- 13:39Speaker 2: What's also like cool about it? How you mentioned stuff
- 13:42ties in. There's stuff that you don't realize ties in
- 13:44until later on in it, like, for example, in this
- 13:49next section and still the part one, right after the
- 13:52author's done describing how the bear Man like that whole story,
- 13:57it then moves in and starts talking about how sometimes
- 14:01they'll be out on search expeditions and the canines will
- 14:05try to get them to go up a straight up cliff,
- 14:08like they'll be walking and it's like the dog doesn't
- 14:10process or the scent they're following doesn't register with the
- 14:14cliff face in front of them. Is related to the
- 14:17greater stuff going on your dripbed information in a way
- 14:20that you don't really realize you are until the story
- 14:22starts to come together. And that's a really cool move.
- 14:24From an author to pull.
- 14:26Speaker 1: Off, yeah, or even just setting up the idea of
- 14:28like introducing how they do search patterns, because I know
- 14:32with the canines, the canines leading to Cliff's kind of
- 14:35section of this first part, whenever the dogs are leading
- 14:41them to these like insanely steep and sheer cliffs. The
- 14:45entire thing that baffles the person is that it just
- 14:47defies every aspect of logic of like how somebody could
- 14:50have gotten there, or how you know this person, like
- 14:53how these bodies are so like the missing persons are
- 14:57found in just completely different locations like miles and miles
- 15:00and miles away, which leads into some just like fun
- 15:03thought experimenting of like you know what what exactly is
- 15:08going on and how these stories kind of tie into
- 15:10each other. I think it does a really good job
- 15:12about like leading the reader into being, you know, coming
- 15:15up with their own kind of conclusions or theories or something,
- 15:18which I think especially for for like SEP or like
- 15:23these horror like letting letting our reader's imagination run wild
- 15:26and also try to come up with conclusions that are
- 15:28fun and not annoying is the most satisfying thing because
- 15:33when if you if you ever are in a situation
- 15:35where you were reading something you're like, oh God, that's stupid.
- 15:37You know that you're in the wrong, but whenever you're
- 15:39like being like, oh shit, I bet this is like
- 15:42I don't know, weird dimensional traveling things or something. Without
- 15:45getting into like layers of like sasquatch teleportation, you know
- 15:48that you're you know, you're doing something pretty fun. Yeah,
- 15:54the there's a I mean, the other one that comes
- 15:56to mind just in terms of part one is all
- 16:00also the section with the young woman in the tree
- 16:02where it's uh, the young like a young woman climbs
- 16:05a tree to get a better view while hiking with
- 16:08her uh with I think mother and grandpa, and she
- 16:11like never comes down from the tree, which is.
- 16:15Speaker 2: That that's a kind of terrifying one too, because it's
- 16:17like exactly because they they mentioned that they lose sight
- 16:20of her as she goes up into the branches, so
- 16:23they're like, oh, she's still up there. They just never
- 16:25see her again, just never see her, doesn't come down.
- 16:28Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole time too, I was just thinking like, Oh,
- 16:30something's gonna happen and she's gonna like plummet down and
- 16:32they're gonna see her die. But that's like nowhere near
- 16:36as horrifying is climbing up extremely tall tree to get
- 16:38a better view and just simply never coming down. And
- 16:42I know that whenever I was watching this too. I
- 16:43don't know why, but like when I or when I
- 16:46was reading this, I just started getting imagery in my
- 16:49head of like just like a really thick, fogged forest
- 16:54kind of thing, like I don't know if I don't
- 16:55know if your mind's eye kind of started like picturing
- 16:59the forest too, but just thinking about this like almost
- 17:02hauntingly like deceptive labyrinth of a forest was Yeah, just
- 17:08kind of kept what flood like kept flooding my mind
- 17:11and just the idea of climbing up because then I started,
- 17:14you start like picturing yourself climbing up it. And to me,
- 17:17when I was reading it, I almost thought like that
- 17:19you'd never see the top of the tree either. So
- 17:21she's just like continuously climbing and climbing and climbing, being
- 17:25like where the where the fun?
- 17:26Speaker 2: The story? The story like later touches on like dimensional
- 17:30shifts like what you're talking about, and it's it's more
- 17:32of you know what we were saying, that you're given
- 17:35stuff that later turns out to be part of a
- 17:38bigger picture. So yeah, maybe this woman just kept climbing forever. Right,
- 17:42there's no flue. Uh. There's a couple other stuff in
- 17:45part one that I think is worth pointing out. One
- 17:47thing I really like that the story does is it
- 17:49doesn't just hang on the supernatural elements a lot. At
- 17:53the time. Russell will give us stories about unrelated to
- 17:58supernatural events, Like in Part one he mentions the story
- 18:01of there was one time that a nine year old
- 18:04girl fell down an embankment and died, and he talks
- 18:07about how awful that was going and retrieving her body.
- 18:10That's not supernatural, it's just a tragedy that took place.
- 18:13So stuff coming in like that really helps to keep
- 18:16the story feeling valid as it continues. In kind of
- 18:19the more subtle parts of it.
- 18:21Speaker 1: Very macabre, very like it kind of it made me
- 18:25think of like other almost like Japanese folk tales or
- 18:28something like that, especially with the following of that, you know,
- 18:31they the the accident of the girl. It leads the mother,
- 18:35her mother to commit suicide after that incident, and it's
- 18:38just like horribly bleak and tragic. But that within itself
- 18:42is just like its own horror of Like you're right,
- 18:44it isn't leaning on the supernatural, but in a way
- 18:47it does feel like some kind of like I don't know,
- 18:51just the dark the dark force of circumstances or like
- 18:57what's the word I'm looking for, like accidents, just like
- 18:59the dark force of like what like a tragic slip
- 19:03can cause and stuff and the kind of like horrors
- 19:06of that. So and I do think that also grounds
- 19:09a bit more in reality too, because I can only
- 19:12imagine how many people which coincidentally, after reading this too,
- 19:16I have a friend who works in the like kind
- 19:18of a forestry or as a forester and up in
- 19:23the Pacific Northwest, and they say that they find it's
- 19:26insane what people find, like a lot of dead bodies
- 19:30from just like random hikers and stuff, because especially like
- 19:33if somebody's going missing, they usually don't send cops out
- 19:37into the woods. They just wouldn't know how to you know, travel,
- 19:40They have to send foresters, state park officials all that stuff.
- 19:43But I mean the amount of stuff that you find
- 19:45out there, including that or like just crazy shit like
- 19:48bags of like piss and feces, which it's like, dude,
- 19:50you're out in the forest. You can just piss and
- 19:52shit on the ground if you wanted to, but they're
- 19:54in bags, and like weird sex colts and all kinds
- 19:56of weird stuff happens out in this forest. And I
- 19:59think that like little instances like this grounded a bit
- 20:02more in reality to where if you ever did look
- 20:04that up, you're like, oh God, this like this, this
- 20:06kind of stuff does happen, which I think just gives
- 20:09it a sense of authenticity that's fun. And then you
- 20:11lead yourself into stuff like you know, the faceless man
- 20:15yeah part, and you're like, Okay, well, I hope that's
- 20:19not fucking real. My Horde, which a climber during a
- 20:23solo trip encounters a man with no face wearing a
- 20:26parka and ski pants on a mountain, which I don't
- 20:28know why, but I kind of I giggled whenever I
- 20:30heard about the parka and the ski pants. I don't
- 20:32know why. It's just a big fluffy It's like a
- 20:34Michelin Man outfit, you know what I mean. But he's
- 20:38disturbed by the encounter and he rushes down the mountain,
- 20:40resulting in a fall in a broken leg. While trapped,
- 20:43he hears the faceless man muffled screams throughout the night.
- 20:46The climber eventually is rescued, but is deeply traumatized by
- 20:49the experience, which I always love. A lot of these
- 20:53stories end with like people that have escaped the forest,
- 20:57and it gives the forest like almost like a it's
- 20:59like it's own entity, you know what I mean. So
- 21:02many people are like they escape and they'll probably never
- 21:04return kind of thing. Very opposite of Ted the caver.
- 21:07You know, these people are probably a little smarter than Ted,
- 21:10is what I would say.
- 21:12Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like something else about the way the faceless
- 21:15Man's described to It's like he's climbing up a cliff
- 21:18and then he comes across someone with no face. Obviously terrifying, right.
- 21:22He tries to get down the cliff, falls, breaks his leg,
- 21:25can't go any further, and then all night he hears
- 21:28the quote muffled screams. It's like this thing has a
- 21:32face behind its skin, and you can hear it trying
- 21:36to scream through it, and it kept trying to climb
- 21:39down to get to him, like.
- 21:41Speaker 1: Bro, yeah, climbing down. Yeah, that is that. It's such
- 21:46a true statement though, like skin stretched over someone's face.
- 21:51It almost makes him like it's like he's he's screaming
- 21:54in the night, but it's like it's it took on
- 21:57like a perception of like is he like suffocating? Is
- 21:59he just like in this forever hell torture? You know?
- 22:03And then but then the maliciousness of him trying to
- 22:06always find him, find the man with a broken leg.
- 22:09So freaky, so freaky, out of which then I guess,
- 22:13let me see, we have a couple more from part one,
- 22:15and of course it ends with the staircase one, but
- 22:17I want to save that one for last, which is
- 22:18there's another another search for a young woman who's separated
- 22:22from her hiking group and she's found under a log
- 22:25in a state of shock. She repeatedly mentions being followed
- 22:28by a big man with black eyes. As rescuers near
- 22:31their base, she becomes increasingly agitated, claiming the man is
- 22:35making faces and wants to take her and the rescuers.
- 22:38The woman also references a scar on a rescuer's neck
- 22:42that she shouldn't have known about. So weird, like almost
- 22:46like just a weird paranormal almost like telepathic thing, almost
- 22:51like fortune or not fortune, but like mind reader or something,
- 22:54lot of weird mental stuff there.
- 22:56Speaker 2: It's like the creature she's imagining was just like, oh, well,
- 23:00this woman's clearly insane until she says the thing says
- 23:04she the monster says he doesn't like the scar on
- 23:07the back of your neck, which was a covered up
- 23:09scar that the woman couldn't have seen. So it gives
- 23:11like validity to this. The scariest part, and this is
- 23:14something else I really like about, like all eight parts
- 23:16of the story, The scariest part about this insert to
- 23:21me is when Randall is described Russell, not Randall, Yeah, Russell,
- 23:26That's what I said. When Russell is describing the noise
- 23:31that he's hearing because he doesn't see anything while this
- 23:33woman's talking about he just hears something. And the way
- 23:36it's worded is he says, we finally got her to
- 23:41keep moving, but we started hearing these weird noises coming
- 23:44from all around us. It was almost like coughing, but
- 23:48more rhythmic, rhythmic and deeper. It was almost insect like,
- 23:53like what I love that an insect coughing noise that.
- 23:58Speaker 1: Was written in super yeah inset coughing, which I wonder.
- 24:03I wonder if the parallel there was supposed to be
- 24:05with the black Eyes to make you think that maybe
- 24:07it was like kind of an insect kind of monster.
- 24:10Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't even you know what I mean to
- 24:12black eyes.
- 24:13Speaker 1: Almost like a giant grasshopper kind of thing. Because it's
- 24:17funny that you it's funny say that too, because when
- 24:19I read that too, I was like, oh fuck, because
- 24:21I was perceiving it as like, oh, okay, we're getting
- 24:23into like alien territory almost, is what I was thinking. Yeah,
- 24:26maybe big black Eyes. Sure, you know, all the tropes
- 24:29are there for that. But whenever I heard the rhythmic coughing,
- 24:32which while I was reading it, I don't know if
- 24:33you did too, But whenever I read this kind of stuff,
- 24:36I almost you almost try to like mimic the kind
- 24:39of cough to kind of like yeah, And I was
- 24:42doing it until I heard insect, and I was like,
- 24:43what the fuck? And I like kept and I'm like, oh, well, no,
- 24:45wonder I can't think of it is because like an
- 24:47insect coughing. So I sat there and I kept doing
- 24:50like these weird like grass like trying to do like
- 24:52a grasshopper cop or something. I couldn't I couldn't think
- 24:57of what it would sound like. And I was gonna
- 25:00ask you what you thought that that what an insect
- 25:02cough would like.
- 25:05Speaker 2: I would think, uh, I get well, if you did
- 25:09it on the podcast, like I said, well too, it's
- 25:11probably like a correctly hold on. I guess I don't know.
- 25:23To me in my head, it sounds kind of like
- 25:27to me in my head, it sounds like a cicada almost,
- 25:31like oh yeah, like the little like gutt a little
- 25:34noises they make.
- 25:35Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's like a million of them. Yeah.
- 25:39Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's like, this is the cicada man who's
- 25:41out here in the woods, like following.
- 25:43Speaker 1: Cicada man sounds. That's that's more haunting than I got
- 25:47I got.
- 25:48Speaker 2: To it's like that thing.
- 25:48Speaker 1: I would not want to see a cicada man over
- 25:51the bear man.
- 25:52Speaker 2: No, no, nothing.
- 25:53Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't like that. I wouldn't. I wouldn't like that.
- 25:57Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about right in the movie
- 25:59Man in Black? Yeah, Ok, yes, yes, yes, that's of
- 26:03course that's what I mean.
- 26:07Speaker 1: I would like that. Still, last, but certainly not least
- 26:11to end the part one is the staircase in the Wilderness,
- 26:14which is this. I think this is pretty much have we.
- 26:17As we've said before, this is like the quintessential reason
- 26:21that I think these stories are so popular is the
- 26:23staircase in the wilderness kind of I think that's kind
- 26:26of what grab people, which for good reason. I think
- 26:28that there's it's like a perfect sandbox situation of you
- 26:31present an idea and you're able to like easily add
- 26:34on to it, as are other people, which makes it
- 26:36super fun just to kind of like see that community grow.
- 26:40But essentially, the SAR officers UH frequently encounter unexplained staircases
- 26:45in remote forest areas. These staircases resemble typical house stairs
- 26:49but are found isolated in the wilderness. Officers are advised
- 26:52not to investigate or approach them or or approach these staircases,
- 26:55which this section was relatively small. It was like they
- 27:01had just kind of seen some Russell just kind of
- 27:04seen some staircases. But you can the tone of it
- 27:08completely shifts when his superiors are like, yeah, don't even
- 27:11go near him, don't even like look at him, just
- 27:14like if you see one, just don't even go near
- 27:16it at all, which I really really enjoy because it's
- 27:23it sets up perfectly the idea of like, well, you're
- 27:25definitely gonna have to explore it at one time. Yeah,
- 27:27you know what I mean, it's just planting that seed.
- 27:30It's it's the childish nature of a character being told, well,
- 27:32don't go do that, and you're like, what the fuck, dude,
- 27:34It's that's a nice staircase.
- 27:36Speaker 2: It plays beautiful well. I think one of the reasons
- 27:39that got so popular is like a lot of the
- 27:43horror mentioned in part one is I mean, there's some
- 27:46subtle stuff, you know, but most of it's more over right,
- 27:49it's like there's a faceless man on top of the mountain,
- 27:52or there's like the cicada man or whatever, like in
- 27:54the trees, like scary stuff, but you know, it's it's horror.
- 27:58But when I first read that like little paragraph about oh,
- 28:02every now and then, when you're thirty four forty miles
- 28:05away from civilization, you'll find a staircase in the middle
- 28:08of the woods, it immediately gave me a chill because
- 28:12it's like, I think a lot of people can almost
- 28:15remember what she's talking about here, like, oh, dude, yeah,
- 28:19I remember being the kid and like running around the
- 28:21woods of Appalachia. I remember coming across a door one time,
- 28:25there's just a door out in the middle of the woods,
- 28:27like no explosion, just standing there. Oh yeah, Like it's
- 28:31it speaks to a memory, a dream you've had, almost
- 28:36because outwardly, there's nothing explicitly violent about it. It's just
- 28:40staircase middle of the woods. And that combined with the
- 28:43fact that you will run if you're in the woods
- 28:45long enough, you will run into staircases because there was
- 28:48either you know, old trailers that were parks there that
- 28:50they left the stairs behind when they pulled the trailers out.
- 28:53Maybe there was an old like firewatch tower that they
- 28:56tore down, but part of the stairs are still there.
- 28:58It's like there's parts of it that are so familiar
- 29:02to people even though it's such an alien setting. And
- 29:05I think that's the reason the stairs in the woods
- 29:07is what so many people took away from this part.
- 29:09Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, like just kind of what you're
- 29:11saying about finding the door in the woods. To me,
- 29:13it's like even on like a cattle farm, like I
- 29:16used to We used to live on this, uh like
- 29:18seven hundred acre cattle farm. My mom rented a house
- 29:22behind this guy like the farmer's house or the cattle
- 29:25farmer's house, and even back there some of his family
- 29:28used to like live back way back in the pastures
- 29:32and stuff. So now there's just all of these like
- 29:34dilapidated homes even just like old homes that just you know,
- 29:38people just don't live in anymore, but they're broken down,
- 29:40there's holes in them and stuff. And as even as
- 29:44a kid, to me, my whole thing was every time
- 29:46was there it you were saying that, like these violent outcomes,
- 29:51I always just thought about, like why did they leave?
- 29:53You know, who broke in here and did this? Like
- 29:55you kind of think about the worst, you know. See,
- 29:57I don't think anybody ever thinks naturally like, oh, people
- 29:59just don't live here anymore. To me, it always it
- 30:01sets in motion, like you know, what happened here, and
- 30:04even going inside and seeing stuff and like seeing remnants
- 30:07of someone's past life is just something that is so uneasy.
- 30:11But that immediately led me to believe because when I
- 30:14saw that when I heard the staircases the first time,
- 30:16which my perception changed as the as these entries went on,
- 30:19but the first time I kind of pictured what you
- 30:21were saying, where yeah, it's it's a staircase, but there's
- 30:24like maybe other remnants of the house around them.
- 30:27Speaker 2: M hm.
- 30:27Speaker 1: Is how I first perceived it, which it's like it
- 30:30is just a standing staircase, but maybe there's like a
- 30:32door laying down by it, maybe maybe like bits of
- 30:36rebbel or something. But still that would be odd that
- 30:38the staircase was there. But that's because of just these
- 30:41core memories. That's where my mind went. But obviously as
- 30:44the stories go on, it becomes a lot I mean,
- 30:47like I think that picture becomes a lot more clear.
- 30:50Speaker 2: One common thing too, and one of the reasons the
- 30:52stairs is a bit more like a bit more ominous
- 30:55than other stuff. Like where I'm from an Appalachia like
- 30:58East Tennessee, Kentucky are you'll be back in the mountains
- 31:01sometimes and you'll just come across old chimneys. Because what
- 31:05would happen is these old houses built in the eighteen hundreds,
- 31:08the chimney would be made out of like stone, stone
- 31:11and like hard materials, but the rest of the house
- 31:13was like wood. So as the house to tier rates,
- 31:15everything else is destroyed, but the chimney's still standing. So
- 31:19when you see a chimney out in the woods like it,
- 31:22sure it could be creepy, it could be kind of weird,
- 31:24but your brain can also be like, Okay, I get
- 31:26why it makes sense that the chimney's what remained intact,
- 31:30because like you know, you'll come across like cemeteries out
- 31:33in the woods. It makes sense why the headstones are
- 31:35sure they're stone, right, But a staircase is just strange enough,
- 31:39like all right, frontiersmen did not have multi storied houses.
- 31:44If for whatever reason, there was a two story house
- 31:47out here, that staircase would not be in pristine condition,
- 31:50it would not still be standing. It has just enough
- 31:52gaps in reasoning to make it so strange. It works
- 31:56from a horror perspective really well exactly.
- 31:58Speaker 1: It's just the unsettlingnature of whenever you actually think about
- 32:01it and it doesn't make sense. That's whenever I think
- 32:03it really sets in, because like you said, it's it's like, yeah,
- 32:06it's mundane, it's just a staircase. But when you actually
- 32:08start to like give it a little more thought, it's
- 32:11almost like whenever you walk away, you're like huh, you
- 32:13kind of shrug your shoulders, and then when you walk away,
- 32:14you're like, wait, what the fuck? And then you turn around.
- 32:16That's what kind of horror this is to me of
- 32:19like wait what and then you kind of turn around
- 32:21and that's when you witness it. But that that kind
- 32:24of encapsulates the first part missing story or missing people's stories.
- 32:29We do get some kind of like weird monster stuff,
- 32:31some very like you know, standard not standard, but you
- 32:35know peep at like general accidents happening. But uh, everything
- 32:40I think is explored a little more in part two,
- 32:43which between these, what was the release schedule? Like, did
- 32:46you look into that at all? Because I had Audust
- 32:48to December.
- 32:49Speaker 2: So the first the first one came out March March
- 32:52of twenty ten. Okay, the second part came out on
- 32:59I think I'm reading our slash No Sleeps. I'm on Reddit, right,
- 33:05I don't know how to operate reddit. I see where
- 33:07it says created March of twenty ten. I think that's
- 33:09the subreddit that is my bad. So yeah, that's what
- 33:14I get, all right. First one, you were probably right
- 33:17in the beginning when you were like, oh, it's nearly
- 33:19ten years old.
- 33:21Speaker 1: Yeah, I say, I could have swore it was twenty fifteen.
- 33:24Speaker 2: Yeah, it's twenty fifteen.
- 33:26Speaker 1: I'm just okay, all right, all right. I was like,
- 33:29holy shit, did I totally fucked it out there.
- 33:30Speaker 2: There's some there's some like people who really love this story,
- 33:34freaking out right now at me. Okay, yeah, they're like no,
- 33:39yuh okay. So from what I.
- 33:41Speaker 1: Read, it was August. It was from August twenty fifteen,
- 33:43and then the last part was December twenty fifteen. But
- 33:47I didn't know, and it's eight parts. I just didn't
- 33:49know if it was like frequently, like however many couple like,
- 33:53because essentially, what is that that's four months? So maybe
- 33:56two and now that I.
- 33:57Speaker 2: Know what I'm doing. Now that I know what I'm doing,
- 34:00the first three the first three parts came out in
- 34:04a span of three days August fifth, August twenty seventh, of.
- 34:08Speaker 1: Man, people were eating good right there, okay, good?
- 34:11Speaker 2: Yeah, and then part four was September of twenty fifteen,
- 34:16so like a week later. Yeah, so yeah, I guess,
- 34:20I guess the first few parts are very frequently. As
- 34:21we get to them, I'll check the times down in
- 34:23order to look. Man, someone is yelling at me in
- 34:26the comments about it.
- 34:27Speaker 1: It's our first episode, come on ten years old.
- 34:33Speaker 2: First about first piece of information, Windagoon states objectively wrong, incorrect,
- 34:40so far from the Mark, drop the ball, dude, drop
- 34:45the da president early on. Perfect.
- 34:47Speaker 1: It's fun though, because I like because I think the
- 34:49response to this too was pretty I think people like,
- 34:52we're falling in love with it pretty quick from if
- 34:55memory serves correctly, So to have the person kind of
- 34:58also respond because then the second part, the author of
- 35:03these also respond to what is it David Paul leads?
- 35:06Is I het you pronounce it Davids Politis Paul Leads
- 35:11Jesus Christ David Politis's work, And there's similar similarities there
- 35:16and kind of just immediately responding to some of the comments,
- 35:19which once again I kind of like how quick the
- 35:22author did that, because once once again it does feel
- 35:25it feels like social media, which that's what I think
- 35:27is fun. It's like utilizing the Internet and the social
- 35:31media to also like be transparent with your audience and
- 35:35then provide more stories is just really fun. I like
- 35:39that because I think some people could be like, you know, oh,
- 35:41I'm going to just upload and not interact, like I'm
- 35:44just going to you know, it's it's the art of it.
- 35:47But I think that the art of the storytelling here
- 35:50is the interaction with people and that trying to build
- 35:53that authenticity with them again. So I just I enjoyed that.
- 35:58I enjoyed that they they didn't just stick to this thing.
- 36:01They were interactive with the comments. And to be on
- 36:04the side round that time when these were when these
- 36:06are being uploaded must have been so fun, so fun.
- 36:11Speaker 2: And David Politis, who Wressell talks about it in the
- 36:14beginning or the often, but Wressell talks about in the beginning,
- 36:19is the guy who coined the whole missing four one
- 36:22one thing. Which are you familiar with that at all?
- 36:25Speaker 1: I just briefly from researching this, but I honestly I
- 36:28haven't really gotten too much into it.
- 36:29Speaker 2: So missing four one one is a bit of my
- 36:33my I wouldn't say my forte, but I am. I
- 36:35do dabble. One of my only in person videos I've
- 36:40ever done, where actually went on location for a video,
- 36:42was about a missing four one one case. So missing
- 36:45four one one is the term started again by David Politis.
- 36:48It basically is referring to people that go missing in
- 36:51the wilderness or more specifically national parks without much of
- 36:55an explanation. Missing for one one is just the police
- 37:00code for information. So the phrase missing four one one
- 37:02just means missing information.
- 37:04Speaker 1: So yeah, that's cool.
- 37:05Speaker 2: What Russell's doing here at the beginning is explaining that
- 37:09David Politis has already talked about a lot of the
- 37:11stuff Russell's going to get into, kind of these inexplicable
- 37:14disappearances that happened in national.
- 37:16Speaker 1: Parks with David Politis's work. Two does it does it
- 37:20tend to be because I know that it was missing
- 37:23stories from basically wilderness or like forest, but I didn't
- 37:28know does it go into like cryptid stuff too or
- 37:30is it just like.
- 37:33Speaker 2: Yeah, missing four one one is real missing person cases?
- 37:36Speaker 1: Okay, so this is just like based in actual reality hit.
- 37:39Speaker 2: David Politis was basically a journalist who was looking into
- 37:44otherwise unreported disappearing cases that happened to national parks. Part
- 37:50of I mean, like people can check out his work
- 37:52for himself, out the foot words in his mouth, But
- 37:54part of what Politis was doing was kind of uncovering
- 37:59that the parks weren't advertising a lot of the dangers
- 38:03that exist in them. And most of his stories revolve
- 38:07around like completely inexplicable disappearances, like the one that I
- 38:12made a video about in person was about this boy
- 38:14named Dennis Martin, who was just near his parents, like
- 38:17a few feet away, and then they turned their back
- 38:19for a second and he's gone. And they had like
- 38:22hundreds and hundreds of search crew covered the area for
- 38:24weeks and weeks and then.
- 38:27Speaker 1: Like his stories, haunting, dude, haunting, he was right there
- 38:32five years, looking up, looking up some of these though too.
- 38:36For my boy David Politis here. He is a bigfoot guy.
- 38:40Speaker 2: He's a huge bigfoot guy.
- 38:41Speaker 1: He's a big bigfoot guy. So I just want to
- 38:45put that out there.
- 38:46Speaker 2: I want to clarify not that he never brings up cryptids,
- 38:49but the disappearances he covers are real disappearances.
- 38:53Speaker 1: Okay, because I know is going to be like that
- 38:58bigfoot son of a bitch. Yeah, I know who David
- 39:00Politis is. Whatever, So I just want to put that
- 39:02out there that, okay, so yes, they are a missing
- 39:05real person. But you know, he likes to dabble.
- 39:08Speaker 2: That's what I'm doing. I dabble.
- 39:12Speaker 1: The turning around. Which also that as I get older,
- 39:14which maybe some of like younger people who might be
- 39:16listening to this too, what if you're a little older
- 39:18and the perception of losing a child becomes more and
- 39:21more real that like haunting, just absolutely haunting, especially just
- 39:26to turn around and someone's gone inexplicable. Like I don't
- 39:29even know how you would wrap your mind around that,
- 39:31just even the logistics of that. What does that look like?
- 39:34You know, it's insane, But.
- 39:36Speaker 2: Like I've heard some personal accounts and it's like it's
- 39:40it's hard to, like you said, wrap your brain around
- 39:42like a person's there, you're perceiving them, and then they
- 39:46don't exist seconds later. It's it's weird. It's so strange.
- 39:50Speaker 1: You said, you said that you've had You've talked with
- 39:52people about.
- 39:52Speaker 2: It, Like no, like I've listened to interviews like oh okay,
- 39:56stuff like that with individuals. No, thankfully, I don't know
- 39:59anyone that's happened to personally. Yeah.
- 40:02Speaker 1: I was gonna be like, how how could you have
- 40:04possibly never told me this?
- 40:06Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I forgot to mention. I was a part
- 40:08of a big missing person case.
- 40:10Speaker 1: I was a part of an alien abduction case. Back
- 40:12I did.
- 40:13Speaker 2: I did go looking for a dead body one time.
- 40:17But that what kid?
- 40:18Speaker 1: How old were you were? We nine? Nine or ten?
- 40:20Speaker 2: I was no, no, no, not like that, like it
- 40:22was no, it was an actual police investigation for a
- 40:28someone who was believed to be murdered. And when I
- 40:34was like, I probably shouldn't talked about this, but I
- 40:37it's like now, when I was like ten or eleven,
- 40:40my Dad's like, it'll be good for you. Come on,
- 40:43you on this search through the woods. And I remember
- 40:49being like ten years old and I was like, what
- 40:52what do I need to be on the lookout for.
- 40:54My dad was like, oh, you'll probably smell him first.
- 40:56Speaker 1: You'll know when you see it, so you'll know when
- 40:59you see this fucked up? Would that be? Though? If
- 41:01you if if young Windygoon was walking through the dealer
- 41:03and he's like, Daddy, why is this woman with a
- 41:06red dress? Why is she faced down? And her limbs
- 41:08are all weird? Who found it? Like, I feel like
- 41:12that would fundamentally.
- 41:15Speaker 2: And what's funny is too, I didn't think anything of
- 41:17it when I was a kid. I'm like, I'm gonna
- 41:19go look for someone. Yeah it was it was a
- 41:23family friend of ours, which is why we were out there.
- 41:26Speaker 1: I can't wait to oh, the missing person was a
- 41:29friend of.
- 41:29Speaker 2: Yours, family friend. I didn't know personally. It was like
- 41:32my dad's friends kid. I mean like and they found him.
- 41:36They found him not alive, so that was nice. Not
- 41:40far from where we.
- 41:41Speaker 1: Were searching, that is nice.
- 41:43Speaker 2: Found him dead, So there was a there was like
- 41:45a chance that young Windagoon would have been like, oh.
- 41:49Speaker 1: You look at that, Oh this is nice. Yeah, I
- 41:52feel like the entire time you were looking through I
- 41:54feel like to me, I don't know why, I just
- 41:56I picture you as the poudy kid who's like just
- 41:58wanting to be home playing Dragon Ball z boo.
- 42:03Speaker 2: At one point, I was thinking about going home to
- 42:05play video games.
- 42:06Speaker 1: I just want to go home, but play this game.
- 42:08Speaker 2: What's also like to give you more of a visual,
- 42:11I was a child and there was like a lot
- 42:13of brush in the woods. So I had a golf
- 42:15club and I was swinging it got down like the
- 42:19tree branches, So.
- 42:21Speaker 1: You just end up mauling a dead body with a
- 42:23golf club. This is a tall brush. This is a
- 42:27this is a dead body. Dad. Can I go home now?
- 42:36Speaker 2: Against stupid kid swinging the golf club like I wish it?
- 42:41Who's playing Star Wars right now? Yeah?
- 42:45Speaker 1: Families crying, people are just like do you see anything
- 42:48and stuff? You're just like God supposed to be play
- 42:51a Revenge of the Sith on PS two Right now.
- 42:56Speaker 2: Sucks, Bros. So far off like that.
- 43:02Speaker 1: The thing about it, too, is everybody goes through that, dude,
- 43:05everybody does. When you're a kid. You go through that,
- 43:08even like like like a funeral or something when you're young.
- 43:12Speaker 2: Yeah, like not caring about the gravity of what.
- 43:15Speaker 1: So it's just like, yeah, children have no business. Just
- 43:19got to leave them at home, lock them in a room.
- 43:21They'll be fine. Still, they'll be fine.
- 43:25Speaker 2: I wonder what would have happened to me if I
- 43:27found the body, Like, I wonder if that would have
- 43:30changed the course of anything.
- 43:33Speaker 1: I don't know, because it's very interesting you say that
- 43:36because to me, because you didn't see it. I feel
- 43:40like now that I psychologically think that you has started
- 43:44these in depth horror research videos because you're you're trying
- 43:49to find that connection that you missed a long time ago.
- 43:51I feel like you might be a car salesman.
- 43:53Speaker 2: Wait a minute, wait, hold on, explain both of those
- 43:57things you just said. Are you saying I'm making YouTube
- 44:01videos because I'm chasing the high I never caught finding
- 44:05a dead body?
- 44:06Speaker 1: Absolutely, And what do you mean my car salesman? I
- 44:09think that I think that you would have gotten your fix,
- 44:11like you would have been like you would have seen
- 44:13some things. So I think it would have corrupted you
- 44:15in some weird way to where you would your life
- 44:18would have taken a more normal approach to maybe you
- 44:20would be like enterprise cars, renting cars, and that would
- 44:23be like a copy.
- 44:24Speaker 2: Hold on you're talking about, like the high glories of
- 44:27being a car salesman.
- 44:28Speaker 1: What do you mean, Like, I think it's a pretty
- 44:31good gig. It's a market that's never gonna die. I
- 44:34just think that's it's a more traditional take. It's a
- 44:36more traditional take versus now, I feel like you're desperately
- 44:39trying to cling on to wanting to find a dead body,
- 44:41which bit you find one, because I think if you
- 44:44did find one once again, I think that you would
- 44:46take on a very normal job. I feel like you're.
- 44:49Speaker 2: Saying if I didn't, if I did find the dead body,
- 44:52I would be a car salesman right now.
- 44:53Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, I see yeah, some because you would have
- 44:56gotten your fix, and that would have been water cooler
- 44:59talk forever. You can talk about that forever.
- 45:02Speaker 2: I would just like a you're saying that me being
- 45:07a couple hundred feet feet over in the search party.
- 45:10Is the difference between windagoon and an accountant.
- 45:14Speaker 1: Yes, literally, yes, like I would.
- 45:18Speaker 2: Have if you're just like and I'm done now, I'm
- 45:21good exactly.
- 45:22Speaker 1: If your golf club would have smacked into the side
- 45:25of a dead body, you would be at H and
- 45:28R Block right now, and that would be that would
- 45:30be water cooler talk that you could use forever forever.
- 45:34But now now you're chasing the high and now the
- 45:37problem is now too you know too much. So God
- 45:40forbid you find what you're looking for. I don't know
- 45:42what it is, but God forbid is what I say.
- 45:46Speaker 2: You see, you're evaluating my entire channel, the career, even
- 45:49those podcast is all just a symptom of me not
- 45:52getting my birth right of finding a body.
- 45:56Speaker 1: To me, it feels like divine intervention. It feels like
- 45:58it feels like you were you weren't supposed to find
- 46:00it because you this was your quest, this was your goal,
- 46:04you know, to have the thirst, the want to find that.
- 46:11Speaker 2: Can we go back to the search and rescue officer.
- 46:15I'm too introspective right now.
- 46:17Speaker 1: It's fine, it's fine, it's fine, which I want to say.
- 46:21I'm part two, it gets interesting and we're gonna I'm
- 46:23just gonna dive right back into this because we went
- 46:25to the David thing, we found out that you are
- 46:27definitely searching for a dead body. It doesn't matter. But
- 46:29in the second part of this is that we get
- 46:32to see the stairs again. It's another entry of the stairs,
- 46:34except this time it's different shapes, sizes, you know, conditions,
- 46:39more broken down, different kinds of things, because before it
- 46:42was just a standard house stair case. But now in
- 46:45this one there's like other dilapidated ones, other brand new,
- 46:48brand new looking stairs, and even some like resembling lighthouses,
- 46:52which is kind of interesting. But the storyteller or Russell
- 46:56avoids photographing or interacting with the stairs to not risk
- 47:00their job, which, as we said earlier, I was just
- 47:03like I would take a picture. I take a few
- 47:06pictures or two if I'm.
- 47:07Speaker 2: Being honesty of the stairs.
- 47:10Speaker 1: You're saying, absolutely, yeah, absolutely yeah, who's gonna believe you?
- 47:17Imagine going up to somebody at like a bar, or
- 47:19like a red Robin. You've had a long day working
- 47:21for the forest, right, Gotta go to a Red Robin,
- 47:24get a nice gourmet burger and you tried telling somebody
- 47:28that you found a lighthouse staircase in the middle of
- 47:31the woods, and you don't snap a pic. How that's.
- 47:38Speaker 2: Especially in the modern age because the person writing this
- 47:40story is like that, It's not like these are found,
- 47:43you know, notes from the eighties like this is someone
- 47:45actively upload into the internet so they have access.
- 47:48Speaker 1: Exactly exactly which which Again once it makes me want
- 47:54to say that, like it was probably so much funner
- 47:57to be in a horror vacuum in like eighties when
- 48:01it's just like technology wasn't there yet. Because now a
- 48:04smartphone ruins everything. It really does. It ruins, it ruins
- 48:07just about everything. You have to like work around it
- 48:10and it's so boring. But at the same time too,
- 48:14you have to have you have to have the stakes
- 48:15in your story or in your story, you have to
- 48:18have circumstances to your stakes. I, e, well, I can't
- 48:21take a photo because I'll lose my job. But at
- 48:24the end of the day, whenever you're finding goat people
- 48:28dying children, I feel like the losing of my job
- 48:32wouldn't be that much that I feel like I would
- 48:35snap a bit due it would probably be on Snapchat
- 48:38or something if it's twenty fifteen, it'd be on vine
- 48:40I would take there would be a fucking vine of
- 48:42a staircase.
- 48:44Speaker 2: The story, it's like, I don't want to lose my
- 48:47job anyway, So we lost twelve more hikers to the flesh.
- 48:52Speaker 1: I really don't want to lose my job. But there
- 48:53are seventy five missing people. We have no idea either,
- 49:00but we did just see a toothless goat running around
- 49:04yelling like a baby or whatever, which we'll get to that.
- 49:06We'll get to that.
- 49:07Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's continue into it. So you talk about
- 49:10the stairs, clarify it. Stairs in the woods all very
- 49:13familiar at this point.
- 49:14Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a couple of clarifications. They clarified the faceless
- 49:16man too, Yep, yep. They did clarify the climber and county.
- 49:21A man with no face on a peak, wearing park
- 49:24and ski match just kinds of does like a little
- 49:26you know, just clarify that guy. And then they go
- 49:29into the story of the missing older man. If you
- 49:32want to talk about that one.
- 49:33Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, So they mentioned that there was an old
- 49:36man who goes missing out on a trail. The wife
- 49:40call says that he's very experienced hiker, but recently he
- 49:44has been taking seizure medication hasn't come home in a while,
- 49:47so he's missing the time he's supposed to take his prescription.
- 49:50She's getting worried about him, so the team goes out
- 49:53to look for him, and they can't find him anywhere
- 49:56until one of the search crew tells everyone to come over,
- 49:59and about thirty feet up in the trees, just hanging
- 50:03on a tree limb is his walking stick, just hanging
- 50:07in a limb. Not too high for him to have
- 50:10thrown it up there. The tree itself was too wide
- 50:14and too you know, dramatic of an angle for him
- 50:17to have climbed up there. But for whatever reason, there
- 50:20is his walking cane up in the tree and they
- 50:22never find another clue of him.
- 50:23Speaker 1: I love that, Yeah, just a little touch. And what
- 50:26I like about that too is that it's once again
- 50:29calling back to the part one of the girl who
- 50:31climbed up the tree to never be seen again. So
- 50:34now it's just now we're getting multiple cases and it
- 50:36becomes something that you can't avoid. And it also makes
- 50:39you think, you know, you're talking about not taking pictures
- 50:41of these staircases. I mean I'm like, we have these
- 50:43goddamn death trees all around us. Dude, I'm freaking out.
- 50:48All right, you're telling me we can't take pictures of staircases,
- 50:50and there's staircases in the woods, but God forbid you
- 50:52climb a tree. I mean, like, my lord. So I
- 50:56don't know, but I do love these little tians and
- 50:59a lot of these stores es to it's I wouldn't
- 51:01say that it's all the same, but I mean it
- 51:04is all like it is missing persons, you know, so
- 51:07a lot of the stories are gonna be and they
- 51:09never found them again, which whenever reciting it back and
- 51:15like whenever it's like just little blurbs of us talking,
- 51:17it might sound kind of samesy, but in the actual
- 51:22thick of it, whenever you're like reading this, like from
- 51:26beginning to end, it all just feels like a conceptualized,
- 51:29like like rolodex of thoughts and like memories of this person.
- 51:35So take that as you will. I guess I didn't know.
- 51:38I didn't know. I didn't know if people are gonna
- 51:39be like, oh God, all of these are just them
- 51:41ending in, you know, and they were never found again.
- 51:44But that is kind of essentially what this is is
- 51:47a park ranger talking about missing cases.
- 51:50Speaker 2: And I mean it's also, like I said, indicative of
- 51:52a lot of real like missing four warh one cases,
- 51:54not the supernatural elements, but the idea of just like, yeah,
- 51:57they were never found again, nothing came of it.
- 52:00Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, but sometimes they do. Like this
- 52:02next one I love too is the one about the
- 52:04missing five year old boy who he disappears during a
- 52:08family picnic and his siblings mention a quote big man
- 52:13with scary face leading him into the woods, which is
- 52:17very fun, and they find the boy's body fifteen miles
- 52:21away in a place inaccessible to a child, with no
- 52:24signs of injury or struggle, which is it's like bordering
- 52:29on almost like I don't know, like slender Man levels
- 52:32of territories here, you know what I mean, Like children
- 52:36going into the woods trying to find his mansion kind
- 52:39of thing to be fifteen miles away, and just the
- 52:44Russell's description of just like it makes no sense how
- 52:48this could have happened is the most haunting. Well, I
- 52:51guess that being fifteen miles away too.
- 52:54Speaker 2: Is this is actually based off an actual Missing four
- 52:56one one case that myself and Aiden Maddison covered in
- 53:00one of my videos. But there was a case of
- 53:02a boy I think he was he was three or four,
- 53:06who just disappeared from his family and they found him
- 53:10in a tree in the middle of the swamp. Like
- 53:13it was like twelve or fifteen miles away a few
- 53:16days later or no, it's like forty eight hours. It
- 53:19was like super low amount of time, and survivor man
- 53:24tried to recreate the trip in the amount of time
- 53:26he couldn't. It was like a very weird case. Yes,
- 53:30weird stuff like that happens. Not the details about the
- 53:32man with the scary face and whatnot. Again, this is
- 53:35kind of baked into this sort of terrifying reality.
- 53:38Speaker 1: How do they What does the conclusion look like then? Too?
- 53:42You know what I mean? Like when when people are
- 53:44reporting on that, is it just like it's an accident
- 53:46or like what did they come across? Like how did they?
- 53:48Speaker 2: If I recall this story correctly, this is the child
- 53:53that actually survived, I've covered so many missing formal when
- 53:56I forget the exact details. If I remember that child
- 53:58lived and he was like three or four. When asked
- 54:02to recount it, the only thing he mentioned was that
- 54:08it was like a he saw a cat or something
- 54:11like that, so that the only some people think maybe
- 54:14a mount lion carried him that far and then didn't
- 54:16eat him for some reason, carried him up a tree,
- 54:19which would be weird. But there's like, if I recall correctly,
- 54:25that kid lived and then told rescuers that he saw
- 54:28a cat. Uh, and there was no other explanation he
- 54:31could give. He was too young to understand what happened
- 54:33to him.
- 54:34Speaker 1: Stupid fucking kids. Dude, Damn, I wish a kid had
- 54:39that's all you saw.
- 54:41Speaker 2: My God, there's a lot. There's a lot of those
- 54:44where like they find them dead days later in like
- 54:47impossible locations. There's like one story. Again, not to get
- 54:52sidetracked from this, but I remember one show or like
- 54:56this dude who was like this expert hiker went missing
- 55:00and then his body got found at the bottom of
- 55:01a ravine after all the snow melted. But there was
- 55:04this stage where like they found his backpack with like
- 55:07snacks laid out and like a red bull opened up
- 55:10twenty miles in the other direction from between where he
- 55:13went missing and where his body was found. Like the
- 55:15guy got lost, we had a meal left all his
- 55:17stuff behind, just walked into the woods and died.
- 55:19Speaker 1: Like it's weird. It's weird too because I wonder how
- 55:22much of like whenever people are studying this, do they
- 55:24think like, oh, like, I wonder how much of that
- 55:27they look into, Like I mean, I don't like suicidal
- 55:29tendencies or something, right like, yeah, you know, is the
- 55:33person going was he had struggling in his own life,
- 55:35because that is almost what I think when I see
- 55:38that kind of stuff, is they just like abandoned his
- 55:40stuff like it's like almost like a wake up realization
- 55:42moment or something and they left cause any other event
- 55:46makes it feel so inexplicable.
- 55:47Speaker 2: Sometimes I do think that is the case this specific one.
- 55:50If again, assuming I'm not getting the details mixed up,
- 55:53he was hiking the Crazies, which is in like the
- 55:55Rocky Mountains. He was hiking the Crazies with a couple
- 55:58of friends. He went back to get oh, I remember
- 56:03what was he had? They had these waypois set up
- 56:05on the mountain and the mule that was carrying his
- 56:09gear bucked knocked it over the mountain. So he goes
- 56:11back to a waypoint to resupply, and they never see
- 56:14him again, and then that's when they find him, like
- 56:16you know, when the spring comes. But it was just
- 56:20like he was out with his guys, like hold on,
- 56:21I'm gonna head back and grab something, and then just
- 56:24off the face of.
- 56:24Speaker 1: The earth, just tragically.
- 56:26Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes you ask a lot of questions, which
- 56:29is again one of the reasons that I find the
- 56:30story so compelling, because I find myself asking questions similar
- 56:33to what oh yeah.
- 56:34Speaker 1: Especially the more that you actually research the realities of
- 56:38these situations, the more creepy it becomes, and also the funner,
- 56:42I think, even the more eccentric stuff like in this one,
- 56:45which you know. In part two, we get a lot
- 56:46of stuff once again, like there's the the guy who
- 56:50died in a tree well and it's just kind of
- 56:52another accident, but one of just the horrors of like
- 56:55natural disasters and like human human error, I guess. And
- 56:59then we we get more staircase stuff and people being like,
- 57:02for the love of God, do not take a picture
- 57:04of those, don't even go near him. Keep reciting that.
- 57:08But then my favorite part of part two definitely is
- 57:10the meowing man love so creepy might be might be
- 57:16the highlight of the whole thing for me, if I'm
- 57:17being completely honest.
- 57:19Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, would you like to explain.
- 57:20Speaker 1: It, yeah, Which is an older woman faints after hearing
- 57:24a man making a meow sound in a strange, buzzy
- 57:27tone in the woods, the narrator. The narrator investigates, but
- 57:30only hears the sound without finding its source. So essentially
- 57:33a woman is I mean, like she sees the man,
- 57:37if I remember correctly, she even sees him, and it's
- 57:40just a man out in the woods meowing, Like essentially
- 57:46it's it's it's it's them trying to find this meowing
- 57:49man and not being able to see him. But the
- 57:51person's like I saw this guy. He was standing out
- 57:53in the middle of essentially nowhere, meowing at me. Which
- 57:57to me, that was the most invasive of one that
- 58:01this This was the one that was because it touches
- 58:04on several things where it felt ethereal, but it also
- 58:07felt like the idea of just a man standing in
- 58:10the woods meowing at me is horrifying. It's so simple
- 58:15and so effective. I mean even just like putting yourself
- 58:18in a situation of camping and like you're in your
- 58:20your tent right and like maybe it's like a light
- 58:23mist tapping on your your tent and you just hear.
- 58:26Now it's it's it sounds funny, but at the end
- 58:31of the day that I mean, I would shit myself.
- 58:33I would probably cry. I would I would probably I
- 58:36would legitimately cry. Especially the idea of like it's on
- 58:39different levels because one it could be an insane person,
- 58:42which is horrifying, or another horrifying thing is the reality
- 58:46that someone is fucking with you and they're like they're
- 58:49trying to like they're trying to like mess with your mind,
- 58:52they're trying to like scare you. And I hate that
- 58:54as well, because it's like a weird game of chess
- 58:57and it it's god, yeah, man, well.
- 59:02Speaker 2: I like it too because like initially the person hears
- 59:05it and thinks it's a it is an actual cat,
- 59:10and then they listen closer and they're like, oh, that's
- 59:13someone trying to sound like a cat, which, oh my gosh,
- 59:16that's yeah.
- 59:17Speaker 1: Fun especially especially then like the woman saying like, oh,
- 59:22that's when I realized that, no, this is a guy
- 59:24doing a cat impression, which is funny. It's funny. It's
- 59:29funny to think about like coming into that across that realization,
- 59:31you're like, oh, God, is the right is a house cat?
- 59:33I hear now, and you're like, Okay, that's definitely that's
- 59:37definitely a guy doing which also makes it sound like
- 59:42it's like at first it was kind of compelling, and
- 59:45then over time he like kind of stopped trying to
- 59:47make it so cat like. It's like, you know, at
- 59:50first at the end he's just like, oh, doing a
- 59:54fucking like marketiplier. Me out, Oh, just market player in
- 1:00:02the woods doing that? What if it was just a
- 1:00:04guy on his iPhone he was lost and he was
- 1:00:06watching market player videos to make himself. I like, you
- 1:00:08never know, you never know. Moving into part three, we
- 1:00:13get the this is whenever they talk about Russell's kind
- 1:00:18of talking about starts off by confidentiality. Can't talk about
- 1:00:22where the work location is for security job security reasons.
- 1:00:26He can't lose this job. Dude, can't lose it.
- 1:00:29Speaker 2: Clearly the most important thing happening.
- 1:00:31Speaker 1: This job pays one point seven million dollars a year.
- 1:00:34It has to, which sadly, I think I looked it
- 1:00:38up and it was like it was something like it's
- 1:00:41a very like there's so many jobs that probably make
- 1:00:43you get similar pay, which I know it's probably too, like,
- 1:00:46well you get to work out side and stuff. But
- 1:00:47I'm like, bro, with what you've seen, it's just it's
- 1:00:50just not worth it benefits worth, It's not worth it
- 1:00:54at all.
- 1:00:55Speaker 2: I don't cared. I'm not having none of it. Absolutely not.
- 1:01:00Speaker 1: But in part three two, this is where Russell talks
- 1:01:02to one of his former superiors about the stairs. Right,
- 1:01:06this is when he's we get the staircase. But this
- 1:01:08is when he's talking to like a past coworker or
- 1:01:12like manager or whatever however the system for Forrester's work.
- 1:01:16But they they like indulge more information into him.
- 1:01:20Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, I know what you're talking about. In
- 1:01:23the beginning, he says, however, on one of my one
- 1:01:25of my former superiors no longer works as a star officer,
- 1:01:28and I'm gonna talk to him about it, so I'll
- 1:01:30talk to him later this week. So it's basically saying
- 1:01:32that there will be more stairs stories coming later in
- 1:01:35the series.
- 1:01:36Speaker 1: Oh, I see, I see. I see. That's kind of
- 1:01:38a fun way too, to like you can tell that
- 1:01:41that's definitely the author is just like let me think
- 1:01:43you know, just so it's fun to be like, well,
- 1:01:46I'm gonna speak with the other officers, so just get me.
- 1:01:49I'll let you know how that conversation goes.
- 1:01:51Speaker 2: Especially because this is the first time there's a gap
- 1:01:54between part three and part four, so it's like uh, yeah, yeah, sure,
- 1:01:58well we'll talk about those.
- 1:02:00Speaker 1: Which in this one too, there's a lot of like
- 1:02:02child stuff, like there's there's a couple of different child ones,
- 1:02:05which there's the uh there's the incidents with the young
- 1:02:08couple and their baby where you come across or they
- 1:02:11come across and it's like the baby died from like
- 1:02:13a fall, which is just kind of a freak accident tragedy.
- 1:02:17Speaker 2: Yeah, that one.
- 1:02:17Speaker 1: But then there's the personal experience that Russell has where
- 1:02:20it's they say it's their scariest incident in their career
- 1:02:24involving a lost child, and it's bizarre because it was
- 1:02:27like a deafening sound and looped recording of a child crying.
- 1:02:30It was like the same yeah, so weird.
- 1:02:34Speaker 2: Yeah, because he describes it as like he's out there
- 1:02:36with another search and rescue officer and they hear what
- 1:02:40sounds like a train like right next to them, so
- 1:02:43their immediate thought is, oh, it's an avalanche or something, right, Yeah,
- 1:02:48so they start to freak out and they're in each
- 1:02:50other's ears screaming, but neither one can hear the other.
- 1:02:54And then the sound just stops and nothing's happened, like
- 1:02:58you're just you're in the woods. You hear the rapture,
- 1:03:02and then nothing, nothing changed.
- 1:03:03Speaker 1: That was a definitive moment where this is like my
- 1:03:06walk away situation, you know.
- 1:03:09Speaker 2: What I mean, and we're done.
- 1:03:12Speaker 1: That's like, that's that's like a personal because the thing
- 1:03:15about that, that's that's like Russell's personal story. That's not hearsay,
- 1:03:19that's not them talking to a suspect or like, you know,
- 1:03:23somebody involved in a story. That's Russell's own experience to
- 1:03:27where it's like, after everything you've heard and that happens
- 1:03:29to you, how do you stay? How do you stay?
- 1:03:33Speaker 2: Yeah?
- 1:03:33Speaker 1: It would be insane, and it's weird because they mix
- 1:03:37in some stuff where it's like eh. And then one
- 1:03:39of the entries to in part three is uh so
- 1:03:42you have the deafening crying baby thing they can't hear.
- 1:03:44It's like basically Jacob's ladder. It kind of reminds me.
- 1:03:47Speaker 2: Of like, yeah, yeah, that's that's pretty similar.
- 1:03:50Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's like a weird Jacob's Ladder experience, which
- 1:03:53if you guys haven't seen that movie, it's a tim Uh.
- 1:03:56I almost said Robinson. That's the guy from I think
- 1:03:58you should leave. What's let's see actor's.
- 1:04:00Speaker 2: It's something Robinson, right, is it Robbins?
- 1:04:04Speaker 1: Tim Robins, Tim and rob whatever? It's the guy from
- 1:04:07Shaw Shank Redemption. It doesn't matter, but the uh, you
- 1:04:10should watch the movie. But then they have those like
- 1:04:12horrifying things. They have all this child death and then
- 1:04:15and then all of a sudden they throw in like, yeah,
- 1:04:16a guy was afraid of a moose. I just thought
- 1:04:18it was cute. I thought. I remember reading that being like,
- 1:04:23I hate that you did this because at the same
- 1:04:26time too, it also to me what was fun about
- 1:04:30this narratively was that you're introducing a thing of like
- 1:04:33maybe the author is or maybe like Russell still isn't
- 1:04:36taking this seriously, Like they could Russell understands the consequences
- 1:04:42and the weight of what's going on, but I don't
- 1:04:45think because that he's only had one thing happened to him,
- 1:04:49I think that he still hasn't really grasped how crazy
- 1:04:53this is. You know.
- 1:04:55Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I mean, like in that same story, to
- 1:04:58further push what you were saying about the loud noise,
- 1:05:00that's the one where they hear the cry, so like
- 1:05:03he's out there with his boy. That happens, and then
- 1:05:06they they're searching into the night because it's a young
- 1:05:08kid who went missing, and they hear what sounds like
- 1:05:11a little girl crying, and they're getting closer to it,
- 1:05:14and then they eventually realize it is not the sound
- 1:05:17of a girl naturally crying. It is a loop like
- 1:05:21it's being played on the recording of a kid, like
- 1:05:24the same sniff breath. Yeah, it's it's in a circle,
- 1:05:29like something mimicking a few seconds of a kid crying.
- 1:05:32And then they run out there. So the train noise
- 1:05:35and the loop recording of a crying happened at the
- 1:05:37same time. And they're like, all right, i'll clock in tomorrow.
- 1:05:41I'll see you then.
- 1:05:42Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Damn man, Well are we still going to
- 1:05:46Long John Silver's after that? I just like to think
- 1:05:47that Russell goes to nothing but like extremely popular, like
- 1:05:51like commercial. All right, so we went to Red Robin
- 1:05:54last week, but I guess I'll meet you at a
- 1:05:56blonde John Silver tonight, so I'll see you. I'll clock
- 1:05:58in early tomorrow.
- 1:05:59Speaker 2: Man, she has never been inside of a fine dyeing establishment.
- 1:06:03Speaker 1: No, absolutely, absolutely not. Which in this story still we
- 1:06:08get we get other, we get one more staircase one,
- 1:06:12but it's them actually this time they break protocol and
- 1:06:16actually go and investigate the staircase. And this time we're
- 1:06:19doing so friend ye yes or yes sorry. This is
- 1:06:23them telling them what was going on? Right, And he
- 1:06:27basically talks about like how like eerie it was, how
- 1:06:31silent it was, but then also like the overwhelming sense
- 1:06:35of like, as they say, like wrongdoing, like they felt
- 1:06:38like they were doing something wrong or being watched potentially,
- 1:06:40like it's kind of like when you do something you're like,
- 1:06:42this feels bad, Like I have a bad feeling, but
- 1:06:46this is like also you've been to you begin to
- 1:06:48discover the potential links between his actions and the failure
- 1:06:53to find a missing person, if that makes sense, Like.
- 1:06:56Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's so like the the buddy describes. He
- 1:06:58goes to the stairs and he walks up him, which
- 1:07:01you're not supposed to do, and when he's I really
- 1:07:04like this moment when he's standing at the top of
- 1:07:06the stairs, he realizes all the noises have disappeared, like
- 1:07:10the sound of the birds, sound of the leaves, stuff
- 1:07:13like that just quit and it's completely silent. So he
- 1:07:16starts to make noises to himself and he can't hear,
- 1:07:20like he can't hear anything up there, so he freaks out,
- 1:07:22runs down the stairs, leaves, and then when they get
- 1:07:25back to because the reason he was out there in
- 1:07:27the first place is they were looking for a missing kid.
- 1:07:30They get back to the ranger station and one of
- 1:07:34the older rangers starts yelling at him and says, you
- 1:07:36went up them, didn't you. And Russell's friends like, what
- 1:07:40are you talking about? And the older guy says, I
- 1:07:42know you went up them because we didn't find the kid.
- 1:07:45They're nowhere to be found. You went up them. And
- 1:07:48that adds an interesting layer to it, right, like there's
- 1:07:51even if it doesn't happen to you, consequences will happen
- 1:07:54somewhere if you go with the stairs.
- 1:07:57Speaker 1: Yeah, almost like a weird butterfly effect kind of thing
- 1:08:01of like it's repercussions of doing something. And also the
- 1:08:04text that they use are like the verb, like the
- 1:08:06way that it's written to is that it's not inquisitively
- 1:08:08of like question mark, you went up them, didn't Did
- 1:08:11you go up them? It's them just point blake being
- 1:08:13like you went up the stairs. Yeah, you went up them,
- 1:08:15didn't you? You did it so And I think that
- 1:08:19like it also goes to show that like this isn't
- 1:08:21the first time that someone's done that, Like they have
- 1:08:23records of it, but no one is just talking about it.
- 1:08:26It's so weird that the hierarchy of people aren't just like, yeah,
- 1:08:29if you go up them, X will happen. They're just
- 1:08:31like not giving any information, which to me starts to
- 1:08:34lead into like weird conspiracy stuff of like who is
- 1:08:37at the top of this that doesn't want anybody to
- 1:08:39talk about any of these things, especially if you work
- 1:08:42for the place it's that damn pay dude.
- 1:08:45Speaker 2: There's part they cover dental man, what word do you want.
- 1:08:49Speaker 1: Oh, Dania, Yeah, we do dental and eyes right man,
- 1:08:55Oh my god, sign me up. Oh my god.
- 1:08:58Speaker 2: There is this part, this part later in the story
- 1:09:00where one of the older guys is describing it and says, yeah,
- 1:09:03the part service used to make you like sign an
- 1:09:05nda around it. But then they realize they don't have
- 1:09:07to because no one wants to talk about what's happening anyway,
- 1:09:10which like leads into like, gosh, what is what do
- 1:09:13some of these people know about that they're not willing
- 1:09:14to talk about.
- 1:09:15Speaker 1: Yeah, very love craftiing with that line, especially, like very like, uh,
- 1:09:19just the horrors of what you find, like of the
- 1:09:22unimaginable or the unseen, which is really fine. It's like
- 1:09:25which also what a flex Well, we don't need NDAs
- 1:09:28because people don't even want to talk about it.
- 1:09:30Speaker 2: People don't want to talk about the giant stare things.
- 1:09:32Speaker 1: I was like, really even just the legality of that,
- 1:09:34you don't want one person to sign that very serious.
- 1:09:38But the rest of the stories in this are it's
- 1:09:40the disabled boy who goes missing and they find his
- 1:09:43body kind of in a different location too.
- 1:09:45Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, they find him wrapped around an ice figure
- 1:09:49of a man like he's he's dead in the ground.
- 1:09:52For one he's been missing three months, but he looks
- 1:09:54like he's been dead for three days in the snow. Yeah,
- 1:09:56extremely holding like a little ice sculptu sure of what
- 1:10:00looks like a person. That's just like, yep, that's that's it.
- 1:10:05That's how they found him.
- 1:10:07Speaker 1: The ice sculpture I thought was interesting. And it's just
- 1:10:10the justificate. It's like the funny thing. And I know
- 1:10:12I keep saying this, it's just the idea that you
- 1:10:13hear these stories and you've had things that happened to
- 1:10:15you as well. You're just like, yeah, and they found
- 1:10:18the disabled boy and uh, yep, he had an ice sculpture.
- 1:10:21So that was kind of a that was kind of
- 1:10:23a weird one. What's another. Let me let me look
- 1:10:25at my role at that. It's like, how you have
- 1:10:27so many stories, run for your life for the love
- 1:10:29of God. And the last one was the screaming figure.
- 1:10:33The Encounter with the Screaming Figure. Guy Uh describes a
- 1:10:36colleague encounter and a colleagues encounter with a screaming figure
- 1:10:40in the woods, initially thought to be a mountain lion.
- 1:10:42The figure takes an impossibly long step towards the colleague,
- 1:10:44who then flees, which I love that.
- 1:10:47Speaker 2: Visual impossibly long step.
- 1:10:49Speaker 1: Impossibly long step. It made me think of like a
- 1:10:51Senior paloa cartoon or something. It's exactly like a cartoonishly
- 1:10:58like leg extending it. Just it gave me like, especially
- 1:11:01when Senior Palo when he did the Mad Della catalog cartoon.
- 1:11:05It gave me that kind of vibe. But also for
- 1:11:08people who haven't like grown up near like rural or
- 1:11:13like farming land, a mountain lion sounds like a like
- 1:11:17a crying woman, and then vice versa with like coyotes
- 1:11:20and foxes sound like crying children. So it's uh it
- 1:11:27to me. This brought me back to a place when
- 1:11:28I grew up more on more on that cattle farm property,
- 1:11:31and it just it actually scared the ship out of
- 1:11:33me because that crying sound is so indistinguishable, Like when
- 1:11:37you hear it, you're like, oh my god, they're really
- 1:11:38out tonight. But the idea that this that the figure
- 1:11:41who's making this like mountain lion coop like you know,
- 1:11:45fairal cat crying sound takes that impossibly long step. It's
- 1:11:50just really fun. It also like it also plays into
- 1:11:53the idea of like how delirious are these people? Like
- 1:11:56is the Is the forest doing something to them? It
- 1:11:59kind of that's what kind of made me think too,
- 1:12:01like is the forest That's a.
- 1:12:03Speaker 2: Good point I hadn't thought about before.
- 1:12:04Speaker 1: Yeah, is the forest? Once again? As I remember, I
- 1:12:08brought this up a little earlier was like, is the
- 1:12:10forest and entity that is playing games with its victims?
- 1:12:13Which I thought was kind of cool, just like a
- 1:12:16really weird way of like almost giving them like hallucinations
- 1:12:21and doing this stuff. Which the reason I thought that
- 1:12:24too was that if the forest is like its own
- 1:12:26entity and doing this thing, that would explain people being
- 1:12:29like how do they travel so far? And it's probably
- 1:12:31like the people didn't think that they were traveling as
- 1:12:34far as they really were, and it's leading them in
- 1:12:37straight lines just like miles and miles in perception of
- 1:12:40time gets changed. But it's just like all because they're
- 1:12:43like almost hypnotized, or they're like controlled by something that
- 1:12:47the forest is putting out into the air or something
- 1:12:50like who knows what.
- 1:12:51Speaker 2: I haven't thought about that, But maybe everything they're seeing
- 1:12:53isn't literal. Maybe part of it is the implication the
- 1:12:56woods is putting on them.
- 1:12:57Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, like everything that we've heard so
- 1:13:00far is all either hearsay. And also even.
- 1:13:03Speaker 2: You looking at this for different directions, different assumptions, I.
- 1:13:08Speaker 1: Found out not only did I find out your backstory,
- 1:13:10but I'm finding out the backstory of all these people
- 1:13:14as well. I am I'm I'm like, it's like l
- 1:13:18A Noir, especially you, I would have you know, I
- 1:13:20have loved if we were in person is I would
- 1:13:23have loved to see that, you know, you know l
- 1:13:25A Noir, the game I'm familiar if I would have
- 1:13:28given you that question about the dead body to see
- 1:13:30your face, to see like how it would have been
- 1:13:31the reaction, you know, how you can tell if somebody
- 1:13:33is lying in that game where that they like their
- 1:13:36face gets all scrunched up or it's like, yeah, definitely,
- 1:13:39I would have loved to see. Well, do your videos
- 1:13:42because you're trying to body. No, of course someone's going
- 1:13:50to make a rock star three D model of your
- 1:13:52body and do that animation. It's going to be so good.
- 1:13:55But no, check everything that we've seen so far though,
- 1:13:59has been here say, and even Russell's experience was so
- 1:14:03like abstract, like it's so like it's so like like
- 1:14:08ethereal in nature even just like the train sound. They
- 1:14:11hear these things, but they can't hear each other. To me,
- 1:14:14it seems like like something is fucking with people's perception,
- 1:14:19like it's fucking with the reality. Not saying that it's
- 1:14:22like maybe interdimensional travel, but to me, it feels like
- 1:14:24something is happening to the individual, Like the landscape isn't changing,
- 1:14:29but the individual is under some kind of hypnosis, is
- 1:14:31how I see it.
- 1:14:32Speaker 2: That's an interesting point in.
- 1:14:34Speaker 1: De part four, which is all of I'm pretty sure
- 1:14:36this one's all of Katie's story or these are just
- 1:14:38different k Yeah. Yeah.
- 1:14:40Speaker 2: So he mentions that he went to a training weekend
- 1:14:42where there's a bunch of like other expert you know,
- 1:14:46search and rescue people stuff like that, and they each
- 1:14:48have their own weird stories of stuff's.
- 1:14:50Speaker 1: Happened, which this is a real uh, this is a
- 1:14:53real sea shanty kind of roundtable of horrible things to.
- 1:14:57Speaker 2: All we're doing right now exactly.
- 1:15:00Speaker 1: It feels like it feels like all of the stories
- 1:15:02it's just like, Yep, this happened, and they kind of
- 1:15:05like take a swig from their you know, like the
- 1:15:06boat is just rocking and they're just like remember that
- 1:15:08that climber's gruesome death. Do you remember that one? It's like,
- 1:15:11oh yeah, it just feels like it feels like a
- 1:15:13story circle. I don't want to be a part of it,
- 1:15:16but I mean, Katie's stories are all like the tragic,
- 1:15:19like the family accident on the mountain, which is the
- 1:15:22that's the snow. Yeah, a family snowshoeing goes off mapped,
- 1:15:27causing a fatal accident. They fall three hundred feet down
- 1:15:29a slope, resulting in the immediate death of the parents
- 1:15:32and one child. You know, real lighthearted fun stuff. Surviving
- 1:15:35children endure horrific ordeals. One freezes to death seeking help,
- 1:15:38the other found injured. It's only one person survives there.
- 1:15:41Horribly tragic, horrible, horrible.
- 1:15:44Speaker 2: Yeah, and again it's it's nothing explicitly supernatural. It's just
- 1:15:47no horrorfying story of what could happen.
- 1:15:50Speaker 1: It's just once again giving reality, giving real stories put in,
- 1:15:55and then it just blindsided you. That becomes the fun
- 1:15:57thing is when you read something that's so undane or normal,
- 1:16:01you almost expect you start at least for me when
- 1:16:04I was reading, which is as interesting I know if
- 1:16:06it happened to you, is that even whenever they do
- 1:16:09these things where it's like, oh, yeah, it was a
- 1:16:10tragic accident, Almost every time I'm like, hm, I don't
- 1:16:13know what caused them to go over You know, I
- 1:16:16start to conspirit I could start to conspiracize with myself
- 1:16:19of like, with all this bits of information, it almost
- 1:16:22feels like there could be no human error. Like it
- 1:16:25feels like there is something controlling every aspect of people's
- 1:16:28actions because we.
- 1:16:29Speaker 2: Know so much right about like what's going on in
- 1:16:32the woods, that we know that there's some malicious force happenings.
- 1:16:35So yeah, any of these otherwise inconspicuous stories could be
- 1:16:38something more.
- 1:16:39Speaker 1: I think my favorite one of Katie's stories was the
- 1:16:41climber who disembowed, Like the disembowed climber, but he was
- 1:16:46disembowed by his own acts. And the team discovers the
- 1:16:49mutilated body under a cliff and testines all spilled out.
- 1:16:53The horfix seem deeply disturbs even an experienced SAR officer,
- 1:16:57which I was like, really, this is the thing it,
- 1:17:00you know, well, this this person with their testine is spilt out.
- 1:17:04It's like you've seen all these other things, and it's like,
- 1:17:06well I got to see his gutty works. It's freaked
- 1:17:10me out.
- 1:17:11Speaker 2: Even if you're like on the job, you see a
- 1:17:14guy gored to death.
- 1:17:16Speaker 1: How many good bodies have I seen?
- 1:17:21Speaker 2: Yes, the people on this job have seen some stuff
- 1:17:24more so than like is expected for a normal workforce.
- 1:17:27If you saw someone gored to death, like and Testin's
- 1:17:31ripped out by a pickaxe on top of the mountain,
- 1:17:34you might be like, that's kind of upsetting.
- 1:17:37Speaker 1: I'm saying that it is upsetting. I'm just saying that
- 1:17:40they put a real emphasis on like he's like, oh
- 1:17:43this one really got to me, And I'm like, and
- 1:17:45if all the things I heard, I've seen people take
- 1:17:47cartoonishly long steps.
- 1:17:48Speaker 2: Oh oh, you're saying people character, You're saying cassols shouldn't
- 1:17:52have any Okay, all right.
- 1:17:54Speaker 1: I'm saying that every office, like every SAR or SAAR
- 1:17:57like sor officer in this story, so kat here should
- 1:18:01not be affected because they've seen.
- 1:18:03Speaker 2: You're talking about our s c P foundation.
- 1:18:05Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah, yes, the reader obviously can.
- 1:18:09But I'm just saying when they take moments to be
- 1:18:11like Katie's like, yeah, this one really messed me up,
- 1:18:14I'm like, oh, really, this is the one that got you.
- 1:18:17Speaker 2: YEA follows it up with like talking to the devil.
- 1:18:21Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, exactly, even though what's the next one, the
- 1:18:26young boy? Yeah, with the fuzzy man whatever.
- 1:18:30Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, all right, point made.
- 1:18:33Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's just weird. It's like it's like, oh
- 1:18:35that you know that that was that that one got
- 1:18:38to me. It's like, KD, shut the funk up, shut up.
- 1:18:43I've been in hell listening to these stories and now
- 1:18:45you're like, well, seriously the pick cks. That one got
- 1:18:48to me. If I'm being honest.
- 1:18:49Speaker 2: That okay, you win on Yeah, the next one they
- 1:18:52talk that Katie talks about the fuzzy Man. That boy
- 1:18:58goes missing. Uh, they find the boy months later, still alive, right,
- 1:19:03is that what it? Or?
- 1:19:04Speaker 1: No? No, they find the same boy reappears in good condition,
- 1:19:09but his brother disappears in mere seconds. Is the is the.
- 1:19:14Speaker 2: Let me look out? So I get this. I think
- 1:19:15this is the one where one kid went missing. Then
- 1:19:18the parents go back to like honor the site their
- 1:19:22child went missing, and then that kid also goes missing.
- 1:19:25Yes it's this one.
- 1:19:26Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because they're out berry picking. And the whole
- 1:19:29thing was that the kid goes missing, but the kid
- 1:19:31that was missing before comes back and he's in perfect condition.
- 1:19:35But the kid that they came there with is now
- 1:19:37lost or he does. He disappears, and the boy who
- 1:19:41comes back recounts the fuzzy Man, which is a blurry
- 1:19:45eyelis figure in the woods who cared for him and
- 1:19:48said he wasn't the right kid.
- 1:19:51Speaker 2: Yeah, which is how terrifying. It implies that this fuzzy
- 1:19:54man that kept this kid alive for a while even
- 1:19:56remarks that whenever it got dark out that the fuzzy
- 1:19:59man made it brighter whatever that means. So like just
- 1:20:02so fuzzy man also mentioned said he doesn't have eyes
- 1:20:06at one point.
- 1:20:07Speaker 1: Yeah, he says, a blurring eyeless and imagine this man
- 1:20:14which the kid. Once again, he's not freaking out, he's
- 1:20:17just like he tell me I wasn't the right kind,
- 1:20:20which he doesn't say kid, he says the right kind.
- 1:20:23What does it mean?
- 1:20:24Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, that's right, But it also sound like, well,
- 1:20:29what's really creepy about it is they're like Katie's like, oh,
- 1:20:33by fuzzy, do you mean hairless? Do you mean like bigfoot?
- 1:20:35And he's like, no, he kind of looked like when
- 1:20:37you blur your eyes and everything looks fuzzy. He looked like.
- 1:20:41Speaker 1: That, yeah, but without weird yeah, almost like formless like
- 1:20:46he it's like a not like a not like what
- 1:20:51is it like completely formed? Like basically like static or
- 1:20:55something like or.
- 1:20:57Speaker 2: Something made of the essence of blurry whatever that means. Yeah,
- 1:21:01and so he he go. That kid comes back, but
- 1:21:04then his brother disappears, implying that his brother was the
- 1:21:07right kind because they never see that kid again.
- 1:21:10Speaker 1: Uh yeah, that's the I think that's the that's the assumption,
- 1:21:14but you never know. I mean, that kid could come
- 1:21:16back as well. I feel like, uh, I'm not gonna
- 1:21:19lie if I was. If I was that kid, I'd
- 1:21:22be fucked me up. That this weird static man didn't
- 1:21:26think I was the right kind.
- 1:21:28Speaker 2: That that would be your problem with him.
- 1:21:29Speaker 1: That would well, as a kid, I would.
- 1:21:31Speaker 2: Rejected by the statics.
- 1:21:34Speaker 1: Getting rejected by the eyeless man who can't see me
- 1:21:37mind you, he's just this is just him, just kind
- 1:21:40of like he pokes my fat stomach and he's like,
- 1:21:43not the right card and not my skinny ass. Cute
- 1:21:47brother gets missed, and I'm like, okay, dude, fuck that guy.
- 1:21:51You know like that. I was like, it's like, yeah,
- 1:21:54that's bullshit. That would suck me up if I was
- 1:21:56a kid. Body dysmorphia dude for real. And then the
- 1:22:01last one with Katie's two. Katie's story basically, it's just
- 1:22:05like she gets lost or Katie gets lost and uh,
- 1:22:10which is weird because obviously an expert of the woods,
- 1:22:14and it's like a lost where it's like I don't
- 1:22:15know where I'm at. I think that the way that
- 1:22:17they describe it as more like I had no idea
- 1:22:20where I was at, like on Earth kind of thing.
- 1:22:23It's like totally disoriented, like I don't even know where
- 1:22:27I'm at in the world kind of thing, like it
- 1:22:29doesn't even feel familiar whatsoever. But they Katie hears a
- 1:22:32croaky internal voice urging her to eat, leading to near
- 1:22:35self harm with a hunting life, so basically like almost
- 1:22:39cannibalizing herself. And she's found days later, having travels, having
- 1:22:44traveled dangerously far, with no memory of a lapsed time,
- 1:22:48which basically she had. I think, what's two days, two
- 1:22:51or three days?
- 1:22:52Speaker 2: Right, so she thinks it's been like an hour and
- 1:22:54then yeah, but it's been days. It's been two days.
- 1:22:57And also when she sees him, she's so hungry she
- 1:23:00a knife on him. It's like she has, yeah, cannibalism,
- 1:23:02said in to herself.
- 1:23:04Speaker 1: Yeah, she didn't know either. She was like, I don't
- 1:23:06know what came over me. But it was just like her,
- 1:23:08and it was like her gut instinct just to be like,
- 1:23:10I'm gonna cut this dude up and eat him. Which
- 1:23:12who hasn't been there, dude?
- 1:23:15Speaker 2: Just keep who is still?
- 1:23:20Speaker 1: We cut the EW's story, which is a mysterious death
- 1:23:22of a boy near the stairs, which I I think
- 1:23:25this is our first time ever hearing about a dead
- 1:23:27body near the stairs.
- 1:23:28Speaker 2: This is the first time the stairs directly cause a death.
- 1:23:31I mean, it's implied a guy who walked up him,
- 1:23:33but this is the first times like a body there.
- 1:23:36Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, which is an eleven. You're a boy named
- 1:23:39Joey vanishes near a river, leading to a puzzling search.
- 1:23:42The star finds his body by a set of stairs
- 1:23:44in a remote area, curled up and dead. Post mortem
- 1:23:47examination reveals inexplicable whole punch like holes in his organs
- 1:23:51with no external wounds, which I love how they described that.
- 1:23:54They say his organs are like Swiss cheese, so gross,
- 1:23:57so gross, and so good. I love that.
- 1:24:00Speaker 2: I mean, like, what's interesting about that whole story is
- 1:24:03they describe a kid goes missing and they do a
- 1:24:06search for him, and as they're doing the search operation.
- 1:24:10They like, the dogs will pick up a scent and
- 1:24:14then lose it, then pick it up, then lose it.
- 1:24:15And when they look at the map to see how
- 1:24:18what order they're doing it, it's in a checkerboard segment,
- 1:24:21as it describes. So if you imagine a checkerboard with
- 1:24:24like the red and black spaces. In the red spaces,
- 1:24:27the dogs smell. When they pass into the black spaces,
- 1:24:30they lose the scent and they get into red and
- 1:24:33they pick it up again. Like it further leads into
- 1:24:35the idea that there's some kind of dimensional rift happening
- 1:24:39in this woods. It's very cool. It's a very cool idea.
- 1:24:42And then when they find the kid himself dead at
- 1:24:44the bottom of the stairs, his holes, i mean, his
- 1:24:47organs are almost full of these checkerboarded holes. It looks
- 1:24:50like a whole punch something stabbed him across his organs.
- 1:24:53Speaker 1: It's it's like, but no punctures to the skin though,
- 1:24:56mind you, yeah.
- 1:24:57Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, his skin externally totally fine, but in his
- 1:25:00organs have been shredded. It's like he got pulled through
- 1:25:03some kind of dimensional rift.
- 1:25:04Speaker 1: It's very creepy with all these conspiracy things too, I'm
- 1:25:07surprised that in this level of the story so far,
- 1:25:10because even the mortician sees it, right, and the mortician's
- 1:25:13just like, yeah, I've never seen anything like this before
- 1:25:15in my life, right, Yeah, I'm surprised there isn't more
- 1:25:18things about people like teams taking the body like almost
- 1:25:22like because it, like, like we said before, it feels
- 1:25:24like there's people that are trying to stop this information.
- 1:25:28So I'm surprised so far in the story here there
- 1:25:31isn't something where it's just like, oh, we have to
- 1:25:33have call this these people to pick it up or
- 1:25:35something like almost somebody interfering with that information to the
- 1:25:38outside world, which maybe it's supposed to be elluded that
- 1:25:41you know, the mortician maybe cuts into it, but maybe
- 1:25:44like no one else really sees it. But I don't
- 1:25:46know something especially with that that distinguished of an injury,
- 1:25:51because so far, you know, people are like missing or
- 1:25:53it's accidents, but this is like just on a whole
- 1:25:56different level. I mean, this is like our first extremely
- 1:25:59paranormal kind of like surreal kill that's confirmed by someone
- 1:26:03else outside of the forest, which is kind of interesting. Then, last,
- 1:26:09but not least, we have peb PB warnings you know more,
- 1:26:14this is another staircase one PB shares disturbing incidents related
- 1:26:19to the mysterious stairs in the woods. Describes a man's
- 1:26:21hand being sliced off and a woman's brain vessel bursting
- 1:26:25upon interacting with the stairs. Talks about the unpredictable but
- 1:26:30invariable tragic consequences of engaging with these stairs, and emphasizes
- 1:26:34the impossibility of finding the same stair twice and the
- 1:26:37eerie phenomena phenomena surrounding them. So we do get into
- 1:26:42back we're getting into like back rooms kind of like parallel,
- 1:26:46you know, like you're saying dimension parallel dimension type stuff.
- 1:26:50Speaker 2: You never see the same stairs twice, right that It
- 1:26:52mentions that you walk up them in your hand can
- 1:26:55just disappear, maybe your brain explodes. They're clearly not like
- 1:26:59not only are the stair is not supposed to be
- 1:27:00there visually in the sense of the reality that they're
- 1:27:04currently in, they shouldn't be there. They cause glitches almost
- 1:27:07when they come into contact.
- 1:27:09Speaker 1: Which I'm telling you man, once again, when I was
- 1:27:11reading this, I was thinking, I think that the stairs
- 1:27:15are just like it feels like it is what the
- 1:27:19forest is like presenting to you as something like it's
- 1:27:23masking it as something, you know what I mean, Like
- 1:27:25almost like it's resemble like a staircase that maybe you've
- 1:27:28seen before in your life or something. It's like taking
- 1:27:29into your memories and it's like a staircase that maybe
- 1:27:31you've seen before, but it's disguising some of the contraption
- 1:27:34that you're walking on or like entering or something along
- 1:27:37those lines. I just I think that I think that
- 1:27:40there's something more to play than just like having it
- 1:27:43be interdimensional travel or something. I feel like it's, uh,
- 1:27:48it's like masking. It's like some kind of masking situation
- 1:27:52in reality or whatever. I don't know. Interesting, interesting, interesting.
- 1:27:58And then part five, we're getting more. We're closing in, dude,
- 1:28:01We're closed. We're over halfway.
- 1:28:03Speaker 2: We're getting through it.
- 1:28:04Speaker 1: We're chugging along. Which is the firefighter's horrific discovery and
- 1:28:07a tree which a firefighter previously experienced in tree trimming,
- 1:28:11is called for rescue operation to retrieve a child from
- 1:28:13a massive tree. Upon retrieving the child, he discovers a
- 1:28:16macob scene. The child's body is entangled in the branches
- 1:28:20and testines gruesomely hanging from his mouth and the other
- 1:28:23end draped over the branches like twisted decorations. The child's
- 1:28:28eyes are missing, indicating a violent end, and his swollen
- 1:28:31tongue is infested with flies. Shocked and unable to physically
- 1:28:34handle the body, the firefire dislodges it from the tree
- 1:28:37with a stick, disturbed by the thought of carrying it down.
- 1:28:40This is definitely the most brutal body hoole.
- 1:28:43Speaker 2: It's like the most violent description series.
- 1:28:46Speaker 1: Sure, it's almost like a very tragic They described as.
- 1:28:50Speaker 2: Like if a vacuum was like if the kid got
- 1:28:53sucked into a vacuum and everything got ripped out of
- 1:28:55him at once, And that's just like draped across the
- 1:28:58top of the trees. Like there's again, no explanation, no
- 1:29:02stuff given. It's it's left up to the reader's imagination
- 1:29:04what could have caused this scene?
- 1:29:06Speaker 1: The infested with flies part is pretty pretty fucking disgusting,
- 1:29:11Like that's pretty horrid, I think that. Like, what's what's
- 1:29:14interesting about this one is that they've included so many
- 1:29:16like accidents that when I read it at first, the
- 1:29:19infested fly thing is probably a bit hard to sell,
- 1:29:21but it almost reads like a murder in a way
- 1:29:24like I really fucked up murder. It's how I kind
- 1:29:27of read it at first, which is just like a
- 1:29:31violent circumstance in these woods. But I don't know, did
- 1:29:34you read this one as paranormal? Did you read this
- 1:29:36one more as like like some kind.
- 1:29:39Speaker 2: Of because of everything that's happened so far, I read
- 1:29:42it as paranormal. I understand why you could just read
- 1:29:45it as like a sick, messed up serial killer kind
- 1:29:47of thing. But given given the past of everything that's happened,
- 1:29:51I did, in fact for sure.
- 1:29:53Speaker 1: I mean it could be even be something too where
- 1:29:55it's like it could even be something where someone is,
- 1:29:58you know, some kind of one of these monsters did
- 1:30:01it as well. Once again, though, I read it in
- 1:30:05a way where it's like a murderer affected by whatever
- 1:30:08he was affected with in this forest or like led
- 1:30:10to do this kind of thing in a craze or something,
- 1:30:13and we just haven't found that body yet. But it's
- 1:30:15hard to say too, because, like I said, at this
- 1:30:17point the story too, I'm still hoping that they introduce
- 1:30:20some more real elements because we are getting more fantastical.
- 1:30:24We're introducing a lot of new things, so it'd be
- 1:30:26kind of cool to have still bits of realism this
- 1:30:30far in to really make sure that the story is grounded,
- 1:30:34that the things that we're doing now aren't going so
- 1:30:36over the top, because you know, as you're writing these
- 1:30:38things continuously, you have to evolve and you have to
- 1:30:42showcase bigger and crazier things as you crescendo to your finale.
- 1:30:47But I think that you do need to still ground
- 1:30:49yourself in the reality that this is a job that
- 1:30:51someone would show up to and that there are still
- 1:30:53real things that can happen. So I think maybe it's
- 1:30:55even me just like almost, I mean, this is fucked
- 1:30:57up to say, but wanting it to be a murder,
- 1:30:59to be like, it's a horrible reality of something that
- 1:31:01could happen in uh, in the real world, just taking
- 1:31:06set the setting in the forest. But uh. The next
- 1:31:08one is the veterans observation of the stairs and the
- 1:31:11faceless man encounter. We get to we get we get
- 1:31:13a nice combination here, dude.
- 1:31:16Speaker 2: Yeah, so a veteran. A veteran discusses encountering stairs in
- 1:31:20the wilderness, including a particularly unsettling type that appear upside
- 1:31:26down like a surreal remnant of a tornado's aftermath. This
- 1:31:29one's double weird because like you can almost quantify a
- 1:31:32staircase left behind, you cannot quantify an upside down staircase
- 1:31:37in the middle of the woods. And he mentions that
- 1:31:39they're like more rare than the than the regular staircases.
- 1:31:42But if the if the normal ones caused the damage
- 1:31:44that we've heard so far, what would an upside down
- 1:31:47one do? It's, uh, yeah, I don't.
- 1:31:51Speaker 1: It makes me think that like even if you if
- 1:31:53it's that surreal and that like manipulated in our own reality,
- 1:31:58it makes me think that even if you like look
- 1:32:00at it, that you would be affected or something, you
- 1:32:03know what I mean. Like it feels like, yeah, like
- 1:32:06it's reach or its effect is has to be greater
- 1:32:10somehow because its presentation is so absurd and so distorted. Yeah,
- 1:32:16I really like that.
- 1:32:17Speaker 2: Yeah. There's another one where the veteran recounts a personal
- 1:32:22encounter with a figure lacking of face. The entity moves
- 1:32:25with unnatural speed and silence, approaching him by a river.
- 1:32:28This is similar to the other the tails that we've
- 1:32:31heard so far in the story of like these people
- 1:32:33appearing without a face.
- 1:32:35Speaker 1: And I think that what was interesting about this one too,
- 1:32:37is that the entity displays a ghastly feature where its
- 1:32:39throat opens up like a mouth, smiling grotesquely, and it
- 1:32:41speaks in a disturbing and an unnatural manner, which I
- 1:32:45like to tie in with this one because it kind
- 1:32:47of gave because you know, before we said like, it's
- 1:32:50like a muffled scream, and it was. It was basically
- 1:32:53like skin draped over a face. I'm wondering now whenever
- 1:32:56we got to this part where I was like, oh,
- 1:32:57I wonder if this is the same thing and the
- 1:32:59scream coming from its throat and if it just sounded
- 1:33:02you know, unnatural just because it was must maybe like
- 1:33:04a what is it? What is it called? Whenever like
- 1:33:06somebody's the smoking thing and you put the hole in
- 1:33:08their neck, the fun is that called?
- 1:33:12Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's from the the ectomy or whatever. But
- 1:33:16I forget what the name of the actual.
- 1:33:18Speaker 1: I want to say, it's act positive.
- 1:33:20Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the procedure. Is that also what the oka afterwards?
- 1:33:24Speaker 1: Yeah?
- 1:33:25Speaker 2: I I I know what you're talking about, the voice spot,
- 1:33:27but it's.
- 1:33:28Speaker 1: It's that voice box saying So I'm wondering because he
- 1:33:30says it's in an unnatural manner. So I'm wondering if
- 1:33:32it's the same thing, or is it like a series
- 1:33:34of things. I don't know what I mean. Whenever I
- 1:33:37read it, I think that it's uh. I think it's
- 1:33:40probably the same entity, is what I is. What I'm thinking,
- 1:33:43the same kind of faceless ghoul walking around. But you know.
- 1:33:48And Part five ends with the woman's childhood encounter with
- 1:33:51the mutilated man, and I do I do like this
- 1:33:55one too. I also like that it's uh, it's like
- 1:33:58a childhood memory. I don't know why. There's always something
- 1:34:01about introducing like your child, like the real the recollections
- 1:34:05of when you're a kid, if it translates to reality,
- 1:34:08because usually that stuff is always distorted. But if it's
- 1:34:11something as traumatic as this, you almost want to believe
- 1:34:14that it's true. Which the woman shares a childhood memory
- 1:34:17of exploring a recently burnt forest with her friend. That's
- 1:34:21a fun that's a fun friend activity. Yeah you know
- 1:34:24that beautiful forest. Yeah it's burnt, let's go look at it.
- 1:34:28Where they encounter a man with parts of his face
- 1:34:30horrific horrifically removed. The man bleeding profusely and dressed in
- 1:34:34strangely outdated clothing, is disoriented and terrified, warning against being
- 1:34:39touched lest he be taken back to an unknown, frightful place.
- 1:34:43The incident leaves a lasting scar on the woman and
- 1:34:46her friend, leading them to forever avoid the woods and
- 1:34:48never speak of the encounter again. Which also the guy,
- 1:34:51whenever he says don't touch me, or I'll be like,
- 1:34:54you know, it'll happen to me again, he like runs off,
- 1:34:57just sprints, he just gets the hell out of there,
- 1:35:01which once again, I'm telling you, man, I feel like
- 1:35:06I just feel like this forest is doing something. I
- 1:35:09feel like it's like with outdated clothes, which is it,
- 1:35:14which I think the author is trying to basically say
- 1:35:18that like time, I mean time travel, right.
- 1:35:21Speaker 2: Yeah, she describes it as a great They're wearing a
- 1:35:26gray coat that has red trimming on it, which is
- 1:35:30I think that was some Initially I thought Confederate because
- 1:35:34gray coat, but that doesn't make sense because they describe
- 1:35:36the story as taking place in Maine, so maybe I
- 1:35:43mean Also, the forest displaced the stuff, so it could
- 1:35:45have been a Confederate. It could have been like a
- 1:35:47revolutionary war garb or something like that. Basically a soldier
- 1:35:51from some previous American war who she mentions it that
- 1:35:57there is blood on his kneecaps, on his warhead, and
- 1:36:00on his nose, like they're cut off, implying that either
- 1:36:04he was walking and like something cut off the front
- 1:36:07of his face and his knees, or maybe he fell
- 1:36:11down and like his knees and face got like cut
- 1:36:14by something. What my theory with that is maybe back
- 1:36:17in like because he says that, or she says the
- 1:36:20character the character I believe. Here's a woman recounting the
- 1:36:23story when she was a child that this soldier ran
- 1:36:27up to her and started shaking her and asked where
- 1:36:29his company is, like what's happening? And when she pulled
- 1:36:32out her phone or some some mechanical device, he started
- 1:36:35freaking out and ran away. So I think what happened
- 1:36:38is this soldier was in like you know, civil war,
- 1:36:42revolutionary war, something like that, and he came across the
- 1:36:45staircase in the woods. He walks to the top of
- 1:36:48the stairs and similar to how it was described earlier,
- 1:36:52your hand can just get cut clean off if you
- 1:36:54reach too far out of the stairs. He was standing
- 1:36:57near the top and then this imaginary like the blade
- 1:37:00effectively of it. It's like I imagine it almost as like
- 1:37:03a piano wire shooting up from the stairs itself. Yeah,
- 1:37:07sliced it, sliced his nose, sliced his forehead, sliced his knees,
- 1:37:11and all of a sudden he was in the modern age.
- 1:37:14And then he runs, He finds this girl freaks out
- 1:37:16because of technology, runs off, and who knows what happens
- 1:37:18to him. I think it was a time transportation because
- 1:37:22of his own encounter with the stairs.
- 1:37:24Speaker 1: What led you to believe it is? So do you
- 1:37:26think that it shows the army just because of his
- 1:37:28get up?
- 1:37:29Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah. She describes it as hold on I can.
- 1:37:33Speaker 1: Find because well, you're right, it's like the it's like
- 1:37:36a gray outfit with the red trim. But to me,
- 1:37:39whenever I read that, I almost read that as like
- 1:37:40an older sorry uniform.
- 1:37:43Speaker 2: Oh you might be you might be right about that.
- 1:37:46Speaker 1: Actually, I think I thought that it might have been
- 1:37:48like I think, because I was right right there with
- 1:37:51you too.
- 1:37:51Speaker 2: Though.
- 1:37:51Speaker 1: I do think that he traveled up a staircase, got sliced,
- 1:37:54and he went way too far, and instead of just
- 1:37:56his arm and stuff, his whole body got transported out
- 1:37:59into a different time and now it's this guy who
- 1:38:02is like who knows. I mean, I remember why.
- 1:38:04Speaker 2: I think it was a milkon because he kept asking
- 1:38:06about his unit.
- 1:38:08Speaker 1: Well, even when I read even when I read unit,
- 1:38:10it still made me think of like like the SAR,
- 1:38:13like his that's his his not I mean, not platoon.
- 1:38:17It's like his unit, you know, his unit number in.
- 1:38:20Speaker 2: The search and rescue. Yeah, sure he had, So here's
- 1:38:23the phrasing. He had some kind of weird gray cloth
- 1:38:26jacket and almost formal pants on, and the jacket had
- 1:38:29these weird buttons and red borders on it.
- 1:38:32Speaker 1: Yeah, I want. I mean, it's it's very ambiguous. I
- 1:38:35mean I think that like it could it could very
- 1:38:38well be something as old as like eighteen hundreds or
- 1:38:42even seventeen hundreds or something like that.
- 1:38:44Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:38:44Speaker 1: To me, whenever I read it, yeah, I just I
- 1:38:46just imagine like away or like sixties, like sixties sar.
- 1:38:50Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, that's true.
- 1:38:51Speaker 1: It kill or something like that, you know what I mean,
- 1:38:53just kind of like an older material, but it's still
- 1:38:55formal in that way. But yeah, I just thought it
- 1:38:57was like, oh, this is a dude from a different time.
- 1:38:59Now it was, and I was.
- 1:39:00Speaker 2: Trying to go back out of time either way.
- 1:39:03Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was trying to read back through, but
- 1:39:04there was no other stories because I was hoping that
- 1:39:06when I when I was going back through, that it
- 1:39:10would be like, oh, this is about like an older
- 1:39:14SAR person talks about like one of their colleagues going missing,
- 1:39:17and I'm like, oh, that would have been a tie in,
- 1:39:19but who knows. I mean, it's just some guy out
- 1:39:22of time showing up traumatizing these people. And then now
- 1:39:26they never have never stepped anywhere near the woods again
- 1:39:30at all, which smart I say, finally, thank god, someone
- 1:39:35has one crazy thing happened, and they're like that's enough.
- 1:39:38I'm good. Yeah, but they they haven't been tempted by
- 1:39:40the pay yet, the pay.
- 1:39:43Speaker 2: By the massive pay.
- 1:39:44Speaker 1: That the part the massive massive pay. You'll figure it
- 1:39:50out one day. That leads us into parts six, six
- 1:39:55of eight. We're rounding. We're rounding the final turn here,
- 1:39:58which is the part six is the rookie conversation revealing
- 1:40:03disturbing SAR incidences, because you know, what we've had so
- 1:40:06far isn't disturbing enough. But a friend shares an inn
- 1:40:09settling search and rescue case including rapid, unexplainable deaths and
- 1:40:13bizarre circumstances, describes finding a man with a family crushed
- 1:40:18with a fatally crushed skull in an area devoid of
- 1:40:21rocks are hard objects, and recalls discovering a woman in
- 1:40:25a desert who died of drowning with her lungs full
- 1:40:28of water and no nearby water resources. Really, by this point,
- 1:40:32I think in part six, it's really ramping up the
- 1:40:35dimensional travel stuff. A lot of people that shouldn't be
- 1:40:37this area are in this area, i e. You know,
- 1:40:42like head crushed by presumably rocks, no rocks or any
- 1:40:46hard like basically like in a pasture of grass. And
- 1:40:50then even a person drowning in a desert and their
- 1:40:52body is full of water. So once again we're just
- 1:40:55getting more teleportation stuff. We get the tragic case of
- 1:40:59a young man with down syndrome goes missing under mysterious circumstances,
- 1:41:04as well found severely injured in a canyon. Mentions a
- 1:41:08little sad boy wanting to play and trade quote unquote
- 1:41:11trade and dies after sharing haunted last words about being
- 1:41:15cold and longing for his mother. Just horribly, horribly tragic,
- 1:41:18which I wonder too. Coincidentally, I wonder if just from
- 1:41:24generally reading this, there's a couple there's there's more than one.
- 1:41:27I think there's like maybe four or five, maybe even
- 1:41:30six people with like mental mental illness of some kind
- 1:41:35being affected and being perpetrated there. I know there's been
- 1:41:39some movies that that has been Like in Stephen King's DreamCatcher,
- 1:41:43the person who can like inter dimensionally talk to people
- 1:41:47is a DOWN syndrome child. And I don't know if
- 1:41:49that if they're trying to link that as well, that
- 1:41:51like because of this mental illness that they're able to
- 1:41:55communicate or do something with these people. I don't know
- 1:41:58if there's some kind of narrative there, but just food
- 1:42:03for thought. Another one is a Senior Rangers disturbing story
- 1:42:06of a severed hand. A portion of the.
- 1:42:08Speaker 2: I like, how I come back and you're talking about
- 1:42:10Down syndrome.
- 1:42:11Speaker 1: Well, there's it happens a lot. It happened, It happens
- 1:42:14a lot, did you, Yeah, don't worry. I was actually
- 1:42:19just talking about the entire movie synopsis of Radio. I
- 1:42:21hope that was fine. I figured, did you did you
- 1:42:25hear what I had to say?
- 1:42:26Speaker 2: Though?
- 1:42:26Speaker 1: About the the down syndrome. Uh. This this entire reddits threat.
- 1:42:32I think there's five or six different cases of maybe
- 1:42:35four or five mentally ill uh children or people.
- 1:42:40Speaker 2: Having some There is a through line of there is.
- 1:42:43Speaker 1: And I was trying to compare it. Did you ever
- 1:42:45watch The Read or watch Stephen King's DreamCatcher?
- 1:42:50Speaker 2: Yes?
- 1:42:51Speaker 1: So in that movie, the whole correlation with that is
- 1:42:53that because of his mental illness, he's able to talk
- 1:42:56with this like out like other worldly monster that's been
- 1:43:00plaguing these people's dreams. So I didn't know if this
- 1:43:03was trying to do something similar where it's like because
- 1:43:06of their circumstance and they don't have similar you know,
- 1:43:10like because of their abnormalities with their you know, mental illnesses.
- 1:43:17Are they connected in some different way? Do they get
- 1:43:20some kind of different perception of this thing? Are they
- 1:43:23able to communicate with whatever they're doing more? I mean
- 1:43:26with this one, it's tragic about the little boy wanting
- 1:43:28to play in trade. It's more peaceful, which I'd have
- 1:43:32to go we'd have to go back through and check again.
- 1:43:34But I don't think. I don't think any of the
- 1:43:35other ones are also super deranged. If anything, I think
- 1:43:38that they're all somewhat kind of like peaceful by nature,
- 1:43:44I guess, But of course he dies with his haunting
- 1:43:48last words logging for his mom. It's a very sad,
- 1:43:53very sad one. But I just thought that was an interest.
- 1:43:55Like thinking about it now this far in the story,
- 1:43:58it's just a lot of different quinn there. I don't
- 1:44:01know if it's true.
- 1:44:02Speaker 2: And there was that part if I recover, you may
- 1:44:04have just talked about this while was replacing the battery.
- 1:44:06But wasn't there a section where it kind of implies
- 1:44:08that he kind of gave his life for someone else?
- 1:44:13Speaker 1: I believe.
- 1:44:15Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's something about urgency. He was unable to
- 1:44:20function alone. It's it's when the search and rescue officer
- 1:44:26is talking to him, he says, hold up where it is? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 1:44:32He was crying and he said something about how the
- 1:44:35little sad boy had wanted him to come play. He
- 1:44:39said the little boy wanted to trade so he could
- 1:44:42go home, and then he closed his eyes and he
- 1:44:44woke up again. He was in the canyon. So it's
- 1:44:46like this this man like went with this child. And
- 1:44:50it also implies there's some entity in the forest collecting children,
- 1:44:53collecting people for whatever reason. Yeah, because there was also
- 1:44:56the story earlier with the two brothers in the right
- 1:44:58kind and one wasn't yeah, the right crime, and the
- 1:45:01other one was different. And here we have a story
- 1:45:03of a little boy taking this man away and wanting
- 1:45:05to trade so he can go home. So, for whatever reason,
- 1:45:09something in the woods is kind of collecting people.
- 1:45:11Speaker 1: Yeah, So one of the entities which is interesting because
- 1:45:14there's several. I wonder how much of these, which I
- 1:45:16guess whenever we're done talking about it, because we're almost
- 1:45:19done talking about all the parts we can talk about.
- 1:45:21I have a couple through lines that I want to
- 1:45:23talk about, but just to wrap up part six, there's
- 1:45:25also the encounter with the back flipping man, which I
- 1:45:28just I thought this one was kind of funny.
- 1:45:30Speaker 2: One's pretty good.
- 1:45:31Speaker 1: Searching for the Mountain Lion, an officer encounters a man
- 1:45:33performing unnatural backflips or the forest. The ban approaches rapidly,
- 1:45:38ignoring warnings and warning shots, then flees after the shot
- 1:45:41is fired. The bizarre behavior and agility of the man
- 1:45:45leave the officers deeply unsettled, which I agree. Can you
- 1:45:49imagine seeing a guy doing profusely fast back flips to
- 1:45:53the forest and he only runs away until you fire pistol.
- 1:45:55He's like, oh shit, he runs off. I thought that
- 1:45:59one was really funny. I like that lit a lot.
- 1:46:01Speaker 2: It's pretty good. Did you do the part about the
- 1:46:05severed hand in the tree?
- 1:46:06Speaker 1: Yeah?
- 1:46:07Speaker 2: Okay, cool, all right, yeah, mm hmm. It's interesting too,
- 1:46:35where it's described by says it's like growing out of
- 1:46:37the middle of a tree. It's there's something about this
- 1:46:41park where it feels like they are collecting thatsh almost right,
- 1:46:45collecting data in a sense for these faceless people that
- 1:46:48walk around. It's like they're trying to kind of almost
- 1:46:52copy paste human features into different parts of the park
- 1:46:55to either put on these faceless figures or whatnot. And
- 1:46:58they keep getting stuff wrong. A hand popping out of
- 1:47:01a tree. It describes later that one of the park
- 1:47:04rangers encountered someone whose face looked too big for their head,
- 1:47:08Like it's like they're learning what people are like. That
- 1:47:11also winds up with a lot of the noises they make,
- 1:47:13the crying on loop stuff like that. It's like it's
- 1:47:16like skin Walker's almost trying to learn how to be
- 1:47:19human or the entity of the park itself, trying to
- 1:47:22learn to be human, but they keep making mistakes.
- 1:47:25Speaker 1: Trying to mimic things that they hear and responses of,
- 1:47:28like an entity that is learning a new species, almost
- 1:47:32trying to catch it. An there's also species.
- 1:47:35Speaker 2: Similar to that. In that same story where the girl
- 1:47:38is talking about going to the burnout forest and encountering
- 1:47:40the old soldier search and rescue work or whatever, she
- 1:47:44mentions that they saw the skeleton of a deer, but
- 1:47:47they didn't go near it because the deer's antlers didn't
- 1:47:50look right. I don't know if that's implying that this
- 1:47:53deer was some kind of supernatural entity or if it
- 1:47:55was again another example of the woods creating something abnormal
- 1:47:59on Act.
- 1:48:00Speaker 1: Yeah, I always wondered. I wish that we got more
- 1:48:02description of what the antlers, what the antlers looked like,
- 1:48:05like almost like yeah, if I don't know, like I
- 1:48:09almost think that it's like instead of like regular antler bones,
- 1:48:13like is it like is it pieces of human skill?
- 1:48:17Like another pieces of the deer's bone structure that manifested
- 1:48:21into the antlers, like I almost thought it Like when
- 1:48:24I initially thought of it too, it was like you know,
- 1:48:26almost thinking of like maybe like someone's rib cage replaced
- 1:48:29on top of like the deer's head or something like
- 1:48:31the way the curvature of that just something odd, you know,
- 1:48:34where it's like, well, that looks right, but it's not.
- 1:48:37So it's uncanny and it has that you know people,
- 1:48:39but obviously people wouldn't also just be like, oh that
- 1:48:42it's a rib cage or who knows what it is.
- 1:48:44You know, it's it's just something a little more interesting.
- 1:48:47I wish we had a little more visual information there,
- 1:48:49even if it wasn't like fully descriptive, but just enough
- 1:48:52to kind of like titillate the senses. I think going
- 1:48:56into uh part seven, we have some more cryptids here,
- 1:49:02and the rake and the windigo, which is funny, which is.
- 1:49:07Speaker 2: The yeah he he.
- 1:49:11Speaker 1: The narrator touches On frequently asked topics about cryptids, such
- 1:49:14as the rake and a creature described in the folklore
- 1:49:16as a humanoid figure with grotesque features, and the windigo,
- 1:49:19a mythical creature a Native American folklore often associated with
- 1:49:22cannibalism and satiable greed and cultural taboos. So once again
- 1:49:27the rustle here kind of talking about you know, talking
- 1:49:32directly to the audience, just kind of describing some of
- 1:49:34the stuff and admits to limited knowledge, but acknowledges stories
- 1:49:37that seem loose to the rates related to these legends,
- 1:49:40emphasizes the need for practical approach in the wilderness to
- 1:49:43maintain a sense of normalcy and avoids of coming to
- 1:49:46fear and paranoia. So basically them being like, well, I'm
- 1:49:49not going to read in all this stuff and just
- 1:49:51assume that these sayings that I'm seeing are associated with
- 1:49:54these legends, et cetera, but can admit to like, yeah,
- 1:49:58I mean some of them might be similar, but I'm
- 1:50:00not going to like dive into it, which I don't know.
- 1:50:03Do you agree with that sentiment? Do you agree that, like, like,
- 1:50:07by not researching yourself into that, that that brings like
- 1:50:12normality to your job if you see all that crazy stuff?
- 1:50:17Speaker 2: So hold up phrase that question again. Do I think
- 1:50:19it so like rings normality to see that weird stuff?
- 1:50:22Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying or Russell is saying that
- 1:50:24I'm not going to investigate into these cryptids that you
- 1:50:28guys are saying that I'm not that that Russell is
- 1:50:31not knowledge knowledgeable of and he's not going to resource
- 1:50:33research it because he wants to keep a sense of
- 1:50:37normality and not cause paranoia and fear.
- 1:50:41Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that is true to agree. They
- 1:50:43even discuss that at the point when they're I think
- 1:50:46it was the old service ranger talking about like all
- 1:50:48the stuff that can go wrong with the stairs in
- 1:50:50the woods. He kind of alludes to the idea that
- 1:50:52maybe people won't talk about it because once they acknowledge it,
- 1:50:56they have to deal with the fact that it's real.
- 1:50:58So in a sense, maybe it's the same way with
- 1:51:01like these wind to Go creatures and things like that.
- 1:51:03Maybe it's just something that you don't want to look.
- 1:51:05Speaker 1: At directly, almost like a weird kind of like parallels
- 1:51:08too with like, uh, just for viewers to maybe comprehend
- 1:51:10a bit better too, like kind of like demons in
- 1:51:13movies or something like that, or like demons, it's like
- 1:51:15acknowledging it gives it more power in the physical world
- 1:51:19or something something along those lines. I think that like
- 1:51:22by acknowledging it and by like giving more of your
- 1:51:24attention to it, it feeds off that paranoia or feeds
- 1:51:28off your attention, and it kind of like is like
- 1:51:31reeling you in in some kind of way. So yeah, yeah,
- 1:51:35but the KD comes back for this one and talks
- 1:51:37about it's their wind to Go entity that they came across.
- 1:51:41Actually in this thing too, we actually get a we
- 1:51:43get our first, I don't. I think this might be
- 1:51:44our first time that they ever talked about actual location,
- 1:51:46which kat shares a story from her friend h about
- 1:51:49a camping trip near the Warm Springs Reservation in central Organ.
- 1:51:52I think that's the first time we ever get like
- 1:51:53an actual it.
- 1:51:55Speaker 2: It like we get hints about stuff about like, oh, well,
- 1:52:01it's in an area with a lot of mountains and terrain.
- 1:52:04There's moose there, so we know it's kind of like
- 1:52:06P and W region, but here it's actually described. Earlier,
- 1:52:10there was the friend's story in Maine that was said,
- 1:52:13but that's not described to share this area. Katie's friends
- 1:52:16story is kind of with the idea that it's related
- 1:52:18to this area and it's in Organ, so it kind
- 1:52:20of confirmed suspicions of this being somewhere in the Rockies
- 1:52:24or like Yellowstone ish area.
- 1:52:26Speaker 1: And I mean this one is just them encountering a
- 1:52:29creature resembling a deer but walking on two legs with
- 1:52:31cloudy milky eye, similar to Windigo's description. But they ignored
- 1:52:36the creature and avoid interacting with it, adhering to his
- 1:52:39grandfather's warnings about mysterious entities in the wilderness. So basically,
- 1:52:43this one felt like it was just like them seeing
- 1:52:45a wind to Go kind of entry, but them not
- 1:52:48really paying much attention to it and just hoping that
- 1:52:51it wouldn't fuck with them per their you know, grandfather
- 1:52:55being like, you don't want to mess with deer that
- 1:52:59stands on legs. It'll fuck you up, for real. I
- 1:53:02just don't even look at it. That sounds really scary, Grandpa.
- 1:53:07I don't care. It is scary. Scary as ship. Just
- 1:53:12I don't know, twddle with your thumbs. Okay, thanks.
- 1:53:17Speaker 2: Turns out he was right.
- 1:53:19Speaker 1: He was right.
- 1:53:20Speaker 2: He was ignored it, and it doesn't happen.
- 1:53:22Speaker 1: He was right. It would be very hard not to
- 1:53:24be like, hey, you know, like that's what well.
- 1:53:28Speaker 2: I mean that she describes it, and the kid who's
- 1:53:32like facing away from it, it's standing right behind him
- 1:53:35whispering to him, oh yeah, and the kids like, so
- 1:53:37have you seen that? You see that cool new ed
- 1:53:40ed an Eddie episode? That was pretty cool? So that's
- 1:53:42pretty so.
- 1:53:42Speaker 1: Funny because like you're like shaking in fear and things
- 1:53:45like that, whispering behind you. It's like so then Ed
- 1:53:52slaps his belly, pink belly. And then there was his
- 1:53:57other part where he says, buttertoast. It was the funniest
- 1:54:01fucking thing I've ever seen in my life.
- 1:54:05Speaker 2: I imagine that's how your childhood went though.
- 1:54:08Speaker 1: Literally. I remember the episode of Eda Eddie scared me
- 1:54:11when Ed eats his mattress. I remember, I remember, I
- 1:54:14do remember that time.
- 1:54:15Speaker 2: Do you remember that I was revolted?
- 1:54:18Speaker 1: It revolted me as a child.
- 1:54:21Speaker 2: Do you remember that episode where I forget what the
- 1:54:24context was, but Ed's parents takes away his stairs. Do
- 1:54:31you remember that?
- 1:54:32Speaker 1: Yeah? Because he lives in the basement, right, Yeah, he.
- 1:54:34Speaker 2: Lives in the basements. Always like, oh, I'm grounded. So
- 1:54:36my parents took the stairs. That's some liminal horror. That's
- 1:54:42where the stairs.
- 1:54:43Speaker 1: Horror, especially because you never see the parents in that show.
- 1:54:46I know that there's so many fun experiences of like
- 1:54:49who the fun took the stairs at?
- 1:54:51Speaker 2: His parents are just an entity that eats stairs. Yeah, yeah,
- 1:54:57we're gonna okay, we're getting to Almos.
- 1:55:00Speaker 1: We're almost that, I know. Thank you guys, we're so close. Wait,
- 1:55:03having a lot of fun with this, but just to
- 1:55:05rattle these these last ones off, we get another encounter
- 1:55:07with the faceless man, which is like a friend of
- 1:55:10Russell uh. While repainting an information booth, is approached by
- 1:55:15a man asking for directions. Initially perceives the man as normal,
- 1:55:18but upon looking directly at him, sees that the man
- 1:55:20has a smooth, faceless surface, creating a moment of intense
- 1:55:23fear and confusion. The man disappears into the woods after
- 1:55:27the encounter, leaving.
- 1:55:28Speaker 2: That appear an understatement.
- 1:55:30Speaker 1: That was, yeah, leaving an eerie impression, which it's like,
- 1:55:36I mean, I really imagine that for a second. Excuse me,
- 1:55:39do you know where the local red Robin is? Oh? Yeah, man,
- 1:55:43he's like has the face. He's like he like just
- 1:55:45dead sprints into the woods. How would you even process that?
- 1:55:50A smooth a smooth faceless surface the way.
- 1:55:52Speaker 2: He describes pretty good too, because they're like on top
- 1:55:55of the staircase painting. Yeah, and then it's like they
- 1:55:57look over their shoulder. They're faceless. They blink and he
- 1:56:00has a face all of a sudden, and it's like, huh,
- 1:56:02was that my bad? But then the guy's acting so
- 1:56:05weird that you're like, uh, maybe that wasn't my bad.
- 1:56:08Like it is. It is a very well played moment
- 1:56:10of tension.
- 1:56:11Speaker 1: It's a well played moment at tension, and I think
- 1:56:13that like it escalates it perfectly by exactly you're asking yourself,
- 1:56:16it's this situation weird until the guy literally disappears into
- 1:56:20the woods. You know, I had every right to be
- 1:56:23weird to that by that. Okay.
- 1:56:25Speaker 2: That imagine you're talking to a guy and he's like, Hey,
- 1:56:27could you give me a ride down the street, and
- 1:56:28you're like no, and he's like okay and just walks
- 1:56:30off into the like into the tree line.
- 1:56:34Speaker 1: I'd be like that man's on his own journey. Man's
- 1:56:37taking shortcuts left and right.
- 1:56:41Speaker 2: He's going to a place I cannot follow.
- 1:56:44Speaker 1: The trail scout meeting with a disproportionately faced man, which
- 1:56:48is another individual recounts meeting an older man while scouting
- 1:56:51trails whose facial features were unnaturally large compared to his head,
- 1:56:55creating disturbed and surreal visual which you've talked to you,
- 1:56:58you were talking about that earlier, But yeah, I mean that.
- 1:57:00That one's fun. I like, how simple this one is
- 1:57:03because it's it's just the idea, like picturing my head.
- 1:57:07It was very comical, But that made it more scary
- 1:57:10to me, is how funny his face would have been. Hello,
- 1:57:13like scouting for these trailers and just would it's just
- 1:57:18a giant man with like spaghetti strand hair. Could I
- 1:57:22offer you a peppermint?
- 1:57:25Speaker 2: It honestly would look like one of your cartoons. It
- 1:57:27was face is too big for his head, like one
- 1:57:29of your one, if your purposely scary cartoon, it would
- 1:57:32be one of the ones.
- 1:57:32Speaker 1: Too too much gum in his smile, extremely tiny teeth. Yeah,
- 1:57:36oh yeah, yeah, definitely.
- 1:57:38Speaker 2: Like it's interesting too how it's described with like the
- 1:57:43way it's phrase too, like his face was just too
- 1:57:45big for his head, not that his head was big,
- 1:57:47his face was too big for it. And you sat
- 1:57:49there and you're thinking to yourself, like what would that
- 1:57:51look like? You know, like the eyes, the mouth, It
- 1:57:54creates a very uncanny picture in your head. I like
- 1:57:58it very well. It's it's very yeah. I mean, obviously
- 1:58:01the face isn't subtle, but it's not like his face
- 1:58:03exploded and beginning no something.
- 1:58:05Speaker 1: It's just like it's not like some kind of jump scare.
- 1:58:07It's just the uncanny nature of the situation. Even I mean,
- 1:58:11like I imagine the disportionate of his face. It isn't
- 1:58:14so cartoonish. It's probably just awkward enough, you know.
- 1:58:18Speaker 2: Yeah, And also he goes back to that thing I
- 1:58:21talked about earlier, the idea that this that these monsters,
- 1:58:28these faceless creatures wherever there, are trying to learn humans. Yeah,
- 1:58:32trying to learn what they like, how they act it all.
- 1:58:35It Actually, since they're going from faceless to like just
- 1:58:38too big of a face, it almost implies they're getting
- 1:58:40better at it, which is scary.
- 1:58:42Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's learning. It's it's learning, and it's adapting.
- 1:58:46It's just the it's the simplicities, like if each one
- 1:58:48of these people are asking for a ride to Red Robin,
- 1:58:51you know that it hasn't learned that core aspect of
- 1:58:54like normal human conversation, but visually it's getting better. And
- 1:58:58that's what's crazy too, is that then you're gonna start
- 1:59:01seeing like normal people that are just acting slightly off,
- 1:59:04and that's gonna be way way harder to comprehend, you know.
- 1:59:07I'm like, or to even delineate between an actual person.
- 1:59:10So even if they don't get it perfectly right like
- 1:59:15and eighty percent perfect like, Replica is going to feel like, Yeah,
- 1:59:19this is just a fucking weirdo that I've met one
- 1:59:21hundred times before at Walmart or something. Which the last
- 1:59:26two little parts of seven are the girls sleepwalking to
- 1:59:30the stairs mysteriously. She kind of talks about, you know,
- 1:59:34speaks cryptically about needing to leave, and mentions quote unquote
- 1:59:38it being there. Doesn't really describe what it is, it's
- 1:59:41just it is there before waking up with no memory
- 1:59:44of the event. And then the last one is the
- 1:59:46child with a cognitive condition talks of communicating or communicating Stairs,
- 1:59:52which is a child with a cognitive condition disappears and
- 1:59:54is later found describing an encounter with mysterious Stairs that
- 1:59:58communicated with him. The child account suggests a supernatural aspect
- 2:00:01to the stairs and he felt he had never left
- 2:00:04his original spot and mentions the stairs wanting him to stay,
- 2:00:08which once again, cognitive thing now having another kind of
- 2:00:12interaction or I would say, almost peaceful interaction with this thing,
- 2:00:17and now the stairs this time are instead of wanting
- 2:00:19to trade, they're like, I want you to stay. I
- 2:00:22really wonder what that what that correlation is with like
- 2:00:25the weird.
- 2:00:26Speaker 2: So that one that encounters specifically is interesting because it's
- 2:00:29a young boy and he says that the stairs came
- 2:00:32up to him. Yea, so for one, like, what does
- 2:00:35that mean he walked away and he just thought that
- 2:00:39he was kind of floating or did the stairs physically
- 2:00:41like float through the woods to.
- 2:00:43Speaker 1: Get Oh no, no, I don't like to say float.
- 2:00:44I like to think it's like like dragging it on
- 2:00:47the ground. Wouldn't that be so much dreamier though, it's
- 2:00:53like breaking of branches and leaves. Yes, yes, yes, yes, exactly. Yeah,
- 2:01:01just a nice Victorian staircase beautiful.
- 2:01:05Speaker 2: Used to ride these babies for a mile?
- 2:01:08Speaker 1: Yeah, Pat, Yeah, it's it's a fun little thing. But
- 2:01:13the idea of like the desperation.
- 2:01:15Speaker 2: Of the staircase running like you said, Victorian, I'm imaginally
- 2:01:20like a marble staircase twenty feet high. It's playing like
- 2:01:23the British Royal theme as it's going to just taking
- 2:01:27out trees.
- 2:01:28Speaker 1: As it sad's breaking it and it's.
- 2:01:31Speaker 2: Like please, the point describes as calmly like it's.
- 2:01:38Speaker 1: Like now I'm not going to pose and like nice music.
- 2:01:44It's just like toppling over these four hundred year old trees.
- 2:01:48I'm not going to I'm leaving, just like a snooty
- 2:01:52ass kid.
- 2:01:55Speaker 2: And then to try to maintain what little bit of
- 2:02:00the power we have flap, he says, because it's about
- 2:02:03to devolve. I can feel it. He says that he
- 2:02:07kept saying that the stairs were like the campfire, over
- 2:02:11and over. Maybe he's referring to the way the fire
- 2:02:15started slow and got bigger, like the stairs kind of
- 2:02:18manifested in front of him, but they appeared. Maybe he
- 2:02:21means like with the fire came. I don't know, but
- 2:02:23that's a very that's a very haunting idea. And then
- 2:02:26he says that he heard a sound so loud that
- 2:02:30he had to cover his ears, which reminds me of
- 2:02:33the story that Russell told earlier about the train noise.
- 2:02:38Speaker 1: That he heard. Yeah, once again, it's just unless you
- 2:02:42read it, obviously it doesn't. But the way that, like
- 2:02:46when you read this, the way that these things kind
- 2:02:47of circle back and tie in are really fun. And
- 2:02:50it's not so much that we're getting more information, but
- 2:02:53it's just different experiences and you get little hints of
- 2:02:56like just how other people experience these things, which I
- 2:02:59find really rewarding. It's just yeah, it's it's a subtle thing,
- 2:03:03but it's nice. It's it's cool to not just this
- 2:03:06crazy thing happened and we never hear about it again.
- 2:03:08It's like, no people have had experiences similar to other people,
- 2:03:12Like it's not just a one off crazy thing. It's
- 2:03:14like these things are existing in this forest. So but
- 2:03:19this leads us to the final part, part eight, which
- 2:03:23is uh it starts off yeah, let's go, which which
- 2:03:28Russell or the narrator, acknowledges the unexpected level of attention
- 2:03:31their stories have received. By this point. It's probably extremely
- 2:03:34popular on our slash No Sleep and mentions. Being questioned
- 2:03:37about the mysterious stairs in the woods, faces reprimand from superiors,
- 2:03:41and is warned against speaking further about the stairs, indicating
- 2:03:45the sensitivity and secrecy surrounding the topic. So once again
- 2:03:49kind of like stifling, like we're not going to get
- 2:03:51any more of these. This is going to be probably
- 2:03:53my last post because my job that I just cannot
- 2:03:56seem to fathom leaving is saying well, which also too
- 2:04:00by this time, with the amount of secrecy behind it,
- 2:04:03it kind of almost seems like they can't really leave,
- 2:04:05Like I imagine it's probably like something where it's like,
- 2:04:07how does a person quit Area fifty one?
- 2:04:10Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, like once you've been in for that long,
- 2:04:13you're stuck.
- 2:04:15Speaker 1: Which yeah, I mean it's like there's no way people
- 2:04:19are just gonna let you leave with that information. So
- 2:04:21maybe it's something where it's like I have to stay.
- 2:04:23But it starts off with disturbing tails circulating among among rangers,
- 2:04:28which as many stories are being shared among ragers, some
- 2:04:31too unsettling to forget. One story involves a young woman
- 2:04:35who disappeared with only part of her tongue and lower jaw,
- 2:04:38later found cut with precision, which makes you think of
- 2:04:42another staircase thing. Makes you think that like some kind
- 2:04:44of interdimensional traveling, like you're saying with like the the
- 2:04:47piano wire like just got cut right as soon as
- 2:04:50like maybe a dimension shift or something like that, kind
- 2:04:53of like Cube, the movie Cube makes you think of
- 2:04:55that a little bit.
- 2:04:57Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 2:04:58Speaker 1: Encounters flounter encounters with more black eyed entities, which is
- 2:05:05the story circulated of black eyed individuals in the woods
- 2:05:08imitating natural sounds. One specific tale from a deer hunter
- 2:05:12details a terrifying encounter with a human like figure composed
- 2:05:16of raw meat and hair, capable of mimicking sounds, including hunters.
- 2:05:20Speaker 2: That's one of my favorites.
- 2:05:21Speaker 1: That is my face.
- 2:05:22Speaker 2: That's one of my favorites.
- 2:05:23Speaker 1: That's my family good, so good, And I love that
- 2:05:26it's mimicking sounds, which like the hunter's a gunshot. I
- 2:05:30love that, love love, he says it.
- 2:05:32Speaker 2: He says, he's in his tent and then he sees
- 2:05:35what looks like a human face pressing to the side
- 2:05:37of the tent. So Good jumps out and he fires
- 2:05:40two shots in the air. He looks behind him and
- 2:05:43it's something made. He describes it as roadkill shoved in
- 2:05:46the shape of a person, and it kind of has
- 2:05:49the form of a face, and it looks at him
- 2:05:51and makes the noise of the two gunshots he just did,
- 2:05:55and then takes off into the woods. I bro it's
- 2:05:58like it's again like the woods are collecting flesh and
- 2:06:02trying to put together people.
- 2:06:03Speaker 1: They're collecting flesh. And I think with this one too,
- 2:06:05with the way that they talked about the hair, it
- 2:06:07almost made me think that it was like a deer,
- 2:06:09like a deer meat like forcely formed into the shape
- 2:06:13of a human. The way that they describe the hair
- 2:06:15being in there, it made me think it's almost like
- 2:06:17an inverse deer, except like without diabers and stuff. It's
- 2:06:21just like contorted and crushed into this like form, totally unnatural.
- 2:06:26And also the reason too with the gunshots and the hunter.
- 2:06:29It just made me think that that's another thing with
- 2:06:30like the hunter and the deer, et cetera, except the
- 2:06:33deer becomes the predator this time around. Kind of made
- 2:06:36me think that was the vibe. But it, I would say,
- 2:06:40without a doubt, it's probably my favorite visual, and especially
- 2:06:43the way they describe it. Just such a fun, fun
- 2:06:46collection and it does once you, like you said, it
- 2:06:48goes to show that like the forest itself or something
- 2:06:51in the forest is collecting people. Is it made of
- 2:06:54some of these missing people? Who knows? It's so fun?
- 2:06:58I love it.
- 2:06:59Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. It's great.
- 2:07:01Speaker 1: The last the last two or the Unnerving Sightings and Phenomena,
- 2:07:05which is a couple reports seeing a climber without gear
- 2:07:08scaling a steep cliff and then bizarrely snapping in half
- 2:07:11and leaping off the peak.
- 2:07:12Speaker 2: This climber net that one so wild is very looking
- 2:07:17through binoculars and they see a climber go to the top,
- 2:07:21do an exaggerated wave at them, snap in half, and
- 2:07:24jump off the cliff. And then Russell's like, I can't
- 2:07:28do anything about it because ten other people have seen
- 2:07:30the same thing.
- 2:07:31Speaker 1: Like what, Yeah, it's like the most intense free fall documentary,
- 2:07:36whatever the fuck that movie was, or free climbing documentary
- 2:07:39whatever that we see, Like, just just to see that
- 2:07:42and the cartoonish wave is so good. But then to
- 2:07:45have ten other people report that it's almost is it
- 2:07:50the same person they're seeing too?
- 2:07:51Speaker 2: Yeah, ten other people have seen that exact person to
- 2:07:54the top wave at them. And keep in mind, this
- 2:07:57person's watching through binoculars, so they're hundreds of hundreds of
- 2:08:00yards away, and he could see his climb er, knows
- 2:08:02immediately where they're at, looks at him, waves, cracks in half,
- 2:08:05jumps off the cliff. That's happened. Several people have seen
- 2:08:08the same thing.
- 2:08:08Speaker 1: What's weird too, is at the end of this they
- 2:08:10decide to not document it and to not investigate it
- 2:08:13any further, even though there's been ten people that have.
- 2:08:16Speaker 2: I don't man at this point, Like, at that point
- 2:08:18in the story, I don't think that not only are
- 2:08:21they not capable of it, I don't think that the
- 2:08:25individual like Russell wants to know more about it. He's
- 2:08:29just like, that's unexplainable. That's terrifying. I don't want to
- 2:08:31look any further into it.
- 2:08:32Speaker 1: Yeah, and I wondered how much of it, too, is
- 2:08:35just like even if I wrote this down, no one's
- 2:08:36going to see it. Like, I think that he knows
- 2:08:38that the higher ups aren't letting any of the shit
- 2:08:40going out, So why what's the point of even documenting
- 2:08:43it down? Uh? But the idea of the person also
- 2:08:49continuously climbing up it almost reads like a Prometheus kind
- 2:08:53of level of torture, except with him waving it seems
- 2:08:56like it's almost jolly, which feels weird. So it almost
- 2:09:00feels like he's in this perpetual loop of getting tortured
- 2:09:03every day, like almost like Sisyphis rolling the ball up
- 2:09:06the hill or Prometheus getting his inrds eaten out by vultures.
- 2:09:09It's just like this weird ritual that he does every day,
- 2:09:13maybe at the same time pretty fun.
- 2:09:16Speaker 2: Yeah, I like how much weird stuff's happening in the park.
- 2:09:19I think it's all connected because the park itself is
- 2:09:21some kind of entity. But it's terrifying how diverse it
- 2:09:24can be, the horrors that it can put out.
- 2:09:26Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially with them not documenting this down. It
- 2:09:30leads really well into the final passage, which Russell expresses
- 2:09:34their inability to comprehend fully the mysteries associated with their job,
- 2:09:38plans to seize updates for the time being due to
- 2:09:40job jeopardy, but expresses a desire to return in a
- 2:09:43different format when possible, And it ends with advice for
- 2:09:46safe wilder and exploration and cryptic warning about the stairs
- 2:09:50to avoid interacting with them in any manner. And that's
- 2:09:52the last entry we get.
- 2:09:54Speaker 2: Now. The last words of it are so good because
- 2:09:57he says, like in the last lines, if you go
- 2:10:00out into the woods, I encourage you to be safe,
- 2:10:02Bring water, food, survival equipment, let people know where you're
- 2:10:05going when you'll be back. Don't go on uncharted paths
- 2:10:08unless you know exactly what you're doing. And above all,
- 2:10:11don't touch them, don't look at them, don't go up them.
- 2:10:15Speaker 1: I love that.
- 2:10:16Speaker 2: It's great. It's fantastic.
- 2:10:17Speaker 1: It's it's just like it's a it's a it's a
- 2:10:20perfect little pinpoint for the end of every kind of
- 2:10:23horror that we've seen, you know what I mean. Yeah,
- 2:10:25it's just it touches on everything without having to say it,
- 2:10:28and it's it's brilliant. And with that, I mean, you
- 2:10:30know that's this is the search and rescue What a story?
- 2:10:35Speaker 2: Did it?
- 2:10:35Speaker 1: We covered?
- 2:10:35Speaker 2: We covered it. I'm a search and rescue officer. It's
- 2:10:37a great, great story, great story. I love. I love
- 2:10:41so much too. How Like, sure, it's not a it's
- 2:10:44not a standard like linear narrative in the sense of
- 2:10:48all these events happening in the same person in order.
- 2:10:50It is kind of a narrator's like, oh, this happened
- 2:10:53to this person, This happened to this person. But they're
- 2:10:55each so well done. They tie together with like the lore,
- 2:10:58they interconnect to each other's. Well, it's a classic for
- 2:11:02a reason for sure.
- 2:11:03Speaker 1: Yeah. It perfectly encapsulates someone's start, like the starting of
- 2:11:09like it encapulates encampulates the the job that someone has, right,
- 2:11:15Like it seems like the perfect amount of weird scenarios
- 2:11:18with enough cryptic messaging to see Like I can't really
- 2:11:20talk about it any further, but it's just so fun
- 2:11:23and I love when people can play with social media
- 2:11:25in this regard. It's the same reason why I love
- 2:11:27Ted the Cab so much, in like his weird blog
- 2:11:30post entry for people to read that feels like something
- 2:11:33that can exist. It's from the perspective of somebody who
- 2:11:36is trying to be like this is a real, superate
- 2:11:38like this is a real thing that happened. And I
- 2:11:40think the author, which I think we should definitely give
- 2:11:42a shout out to carry Hammond's just killed. It's it's
- 2:11:47such an amazing, amazing story. Especially I see a lot
- 2:11:51of people in comment sections because you know, even people
- 2:11:54have like read this whole thing on YouTube, which if
- 2:11:57you're looking for even like a nice morning drive kind
- 2:12:00of thing, you can listen to people read it on
- 2:12:03YouTube and stuff. It's like a two and a half
- 2:12:04hour long usually two and a half hour long audio listen.
- 2:12:11But I see a lot of people cite the twenty
- 2:12:14like twenty fifteen like these kind of times on Reddit
- 2:12:16for sleep, like for scary stories. Is like a golden
- 2:12:19era of like really really fun stuff. So I'm excited
- 2:12:23to dive more into like other stuff from the twenty
- 2:12:25fifteen twenty sixteen era because I hear. That's like where
- 2:12:28a lot of this beautiful, beautiful work really originated from
- 2:12:32and where a lot of people were, especially on our
- 2:12:34slash No Sleep We're going ham So yeah.
- 2:12:38Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Like, Carrie did a fantastic job. And I've
- 2:12:41also been in contact with Carrie since we started playing
- 2:12:44out this episode. She is a lovely, lovely person to
- 2:12:46talk to, very kind. She is a fan of both
- 2:12:50of our channels, which is very sweet.
- 2:12:51Speaker 1: Hi, Carrie did.
- 2:12:53Speaker 2: A fantastic job here. We love your stuff. So I
- 2:12:56talked to Carrie a bit about like the plans for
- 2:12:58the series and whatnot, and what it happened is after
- 2:13:01the first eight parts came out, the plan was to
- 2:13:04make it into a book like this was basically her
- 2:13:08her test drive of sorts for the series. Oh really,
- 2:13:11she was, Yeah. So the idea was this was eventually
- 2:13:13going to be like a novel of sorts, pourting all
- 2:13:15this together. And then over the course of making that novel,
- 2:13:19she was reached out to. Now that this isn't coming
- 2:13:22from Carrie, this is coming from like research I've got
- 2:13:25around it. She was reached out to by the TV
- 2:13:29show Channel zero because they wanted to adapt it into
- 2:13:32one of their episodes, which Channel zero has a habit
- 2:13:34of doing that. They did that with Candle Cove, different
- 2:13:37Internet horror stories making it into it. So they were
- 2:13:39going to use the stairs. They're going to use the
- 2:13:41whole story of I'm Search Rescue Officer for a season
- 2:13:46called Butcher's Creek I believe was the name of it,
- 2:13:48or Butcher's something like that. Pretty sure, I'm pretty sure
- 2:13:51it's Butcher's Creek anyway, So they get the rights from
- 2:13:55her to do that season and then carried its any
- 2:14:00of this, Carrie said that everyone she worked with was
- 2:14:02very nice. She said nothing negative. I am saying this
- 2:14:05as my own opinion from looking at the story if
- 2:14:08I'm a Search and Rescue Officer and then looking at
- 2:14:11what Channel zero did with the show. They did not
- 2:14:14do a good job adapting it. In my own opinion,
- 2:14:17they pretty much just took the element of the stairs
- 2:14:20in the woods. They kind of left the rest of
- 2:14:22the low behind. But in the process for that, she
- 2:14:25basically had to give them rights to the story for
- 2:14:28a while. So she it seems that she was unable
- 2:14:31to continue her book for a bit and kind of
- 2:14:34stepped back from the story. So for a while, for
- 2:14:36a few years there, the story was kind of in limbo,
- 2:14:38like we have the test version for it on No Sleep.
- 2:14:41She started to put a novel together and then the
- 2:14:44Channel zero thing slowed that down. But I'm very happy
- 2:14:47to announce this after talking to Carrie. She is actively
- 2:14:52working to continue the story, to add more entries to it,
- 2:14:55to expand on the lore, and she knows the whole
- 2:14:58story she wants to tell from start to end. And
- 2:15:01Carrie has been so so gracious enough to allow me
- 2:15:04to see some of her work in progress stuff for
- 2:15:07what this is going to turn into, and I have
- 2:15:09to say, it's really really cool. She builds out on
- 2:15:13a lot of the lore involving the staircases, she builds
- 2:15:15out on a lot of the lore involving what's secretly
- 2:15:18happening in the park. It is very awesome. So I
- 2:15:20encourage everyone. I will put a link to it in
- 2:15:22the description. Hell yes, if you go to Reddit at
- 2:15:25her name, it's user forward slash search and rescue Woods.
- 2:15:29It is the same name she used to tell this story.
- 2:15:31So if you just look up the original story itself.
- 2:15:33Speaker 1: On Reddit, you will put it up on the screen.
- 2:15:35Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll put it up on the screen as well.
- 2:15:38She is using that account to post updates regarding the
- 2:15:42story and whatnot. So the story has been picked back
- 2:15:44up and she is planning to move forward with it
- 2:15:46in the future. So go follow there to get announcements.
- 2:15:49I'm so excited to see where this is going, and
- 2:15:51from what I have seen, it's really cool. Y'all are
- 2:15:54going to like it.
- 2:15:54Speaker 1: I love that almost a decade later and still coming back.
- 2:15:57It's gonna be I can't wait to even read into myself.
- 2:16:00That's also just a good warning sign too for Hollywood shit,
- 2:16:03where it's like, if we have any readers who are
- 2:16:05writing their own stuff, be very wary of how you
- 2:16:09give your rights a way to these people making stuff,
- 2:16:12because they will literally, I mean, like especially with the
- 2:16:17Channel zero thing, they'll use one aspect, remove all of
- 2:16:20the subtlety and like things that made something great, just
- 2:16:23for the aesthetics and just for like I mean essentially
- 2:16:26the clout of of what you made. Yeah, So just
- 2:16:29be very weary of that because they will literally you
- 2:16:32think they will pray on anybody. Dude, you gotta watch out.
- 2:16:35So just keep that warning. But I will say, Carrie,
- 2:16:38that's fucking amazing I'm so stoked to see.
- 2:16:41Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so excited for where it's going from here.
- 2:16:43And all the stuff I said about like Channel zero
- 2:16:46is not that Carrie hasn't said any of that to me.
- 2:16:48She's only described good things about it. I am just
- 2:16:50I am abscribing the bad. Yeah, because like I want
- 2:16:54to get into writing, I want to work with more
- 2:16:56people in the industry and stuff like that, and a
- 2:16:58lot of the time, yeah, there are people there who
- 2:17:00can be sort of scavengers, kind of predatory to authors
- 2:17:03works and whatnot. And I'm not saying that explicitly applies here,
- 2:17:06but that's what it looks like from the outside. Look,
- 2:17:08it's specifically how pleased. I'm so pumped that the series
- 2:17:14is continually If you actually go to the there's now
- 2:17:19a subreddit for Stairs in the Woods. There is a
- 2:17:21master document where she has kind of wrote some auxiliary
- 2:17:25stories to it, so different stories that take place in
- 2:17:28the same universe from people outside of Russell's perspective and
- 2:17:31stuff like that. And it's very cool she's putting together
- 2:17:33lore for an entire world here that builds off of this.
- 2:17:36I think you all are gonna love it, So check
- 2:17:38her out. Follow her and be ready for whenever more
- 2:17:41of this comes out, because like, if you liked where
- 2:17:43it's been so far, you're definitely gonna like where it's
- 2:17:45going exactly.
- 2:17:46Speaker 1: And I think that it's one of those things too,
- 2:17:49where if you I think just as a general rule
- 2:17:52of some too, because I'm very curious. I mean, this
- 2:17:53is our first episode, right, this is the first thing
- 2:17:56we've ever covered. I think that if you've if you're
- 2:17:58a big horror person and you haven't dived into actually
- 2:18:01reading horror works, please start with this one. I mean, like,
- 2:18:05this is like a great way. It can it can
- 2:18:09denses itself down into these like micro short stories, and
- 2:18:13I think it'll make you appreciate the art form a lot.
- 2:18:16That is just like short stories, I mean, like reading something.
- 2:18:20Reading something can be such a fun way to get
- 2:18:23yourself in the mood to like get fucking spooked, enjoy
- 2:18:26the vibes of it, you know. I mean, it's such
- 2:18:29a great way for your own imagination to scare yourself.
- 2:18:32So use this as an opportunity. If you have never
- 2:18:35read something scary before, use this opportunity to go and
- 2:18:38read this. It's a great piece of literature. It's a
- 2:18:40great story. I'm so stoked that we covered, we chose this,
- 2:18:44this is a great one. This is also all this
- 2:18:46is all of Windy's doing for having this be our
- 2:18:48first episode. So very very stoked and I'm so so
- 2:18:52curious to see how people respond this first episode and
- 2:18:55also maybe what we're doing next, who knows which I'm
- 2:18:58not gonna say here.
- 2:18:59Speaker 2: I'm excited for the show. I'm so pumped. I think
- 2:19:01this was a great first episode. I enjoyed it as always.
- 2:19:04My man had a great time, and yeah, I'm excited
- 2:19:07to see where we go from here. Like great first
- 2:19:09story to cover, I can't wait to see what we
- 2:19:11do in the future. This was a lot of fun.
- 2:19:13Speaker 1: Yeah, I think based off of the comments and stuff,
- 2:19:15I think that we'll use that as maybe where we'll
- 2:19:17go with next. But I know we have a bunch
- 2:19:18of ideas brewing right now. But until next time, this
- 2:19:22has been creep Cast Episode one. Thank you guys for listening,
- 2:19:25and we will see you in the next one.
- 2:19:27Speaker 2: Creep Cast. Thank you all so much for watching. It
- 2:19:30means the world. Thank you all.
- 2:19:32Speaker 1: Push for real peace