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Wired To Hunt Podcast #147: How Eric Pysar Pulls Off Multiple P&Y Bow Kills On His Annual DIY Rut Hunting Trips · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyan. This episode number Tan's show, we're
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  Speaker 1: joined by Eric Piesar, and electrician and avid deer hunter
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  Speaker 1: from New York who's taking the idea of a rut
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  Speaker 1: cation to a whole new level. And in this episode
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  Speaker 1: we learned how Eric consistently pulls off multiple Pope and
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  Speaker 1: young bow kills on his annual d I Y rout
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  Speaker 1: hunting trips. All right, welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast,
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  Speaker 1: brought to you by Sitka Gear. And today we'll without
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  Speaker 1: my co host Dan again as he's unfortunately under the weather,
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  Speaker 1: but here's hoping to a speed recovery. I'm not alone though.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me here shortly is a man by the name
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  Speaker 1: of Eric Pisar, and I discovered Eric last year actually
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  Speaker 1: while working on an article for Outdoor Life that I
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  Speaker 1: was calling crazy for the rut And the basis of
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  Speaker 1: that story was that I was going to find in
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  Speaker 1: profile a number of different d I Y hunters who
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  Speaker 1: go above and beyond what normal people do during the rut.
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  Speaker 1: You know, these are guys I was hoping to find
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  Speaker 1: guys that we're just super, super hardcore about hunting the
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  Speaker 1: rut and they have extreme levels of success doing it
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  Speaker 1: in their own unique way. So as I started combing
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  Speaker 1: my personal network and the interweb and all that kind
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  Speaker 1: of good stuff, I came across this electrician from New
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  Speaker 1: York named Eric, and word had it that Eric was
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  Speaker 1: taking these kind of crazy extended trips out to the
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  Speaker 1: Midwest every fall and killing great bucks every year and
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  Speaker 1: then like a bunch of great bucks every year. So
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  Speaker 1: I got Eric on the phone and I started talking
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  Speaker 1: to him, and lo and behold, it was all true.
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  Speaker 1: And this guy was heading out to states like South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois,
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  Speaker 1: and some others, and he was coming home with two
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  Speaker 1: or three or four different bucks per trip, and these
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  Speaker 1: were big mature bucks too, And he was doing all
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  Speaker 1: this without owning any land out there, without using outfitter,
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  Speaker 1: without having the least. He was just going to public
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  Speaker 1: land spots and different little pieces he got permission on.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, the more I heard, the more impressed
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  Speaker 1: I was. And eric story ended up making it into
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  Speaker 1: that article in Outdoor Life and ever since those initial conversations,
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  Speaker 1: I've wanted to get him on the podcast to dive
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  Speaker 1: more deeply into that stuff and to share what he's
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  Speaker 1: doing with all of you. So finally today I'm able
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  Speaker 1: to do that, and I'm pretty pumped about it. And
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  Speaker 1: I think Eric is is just a perfect example of
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  Speaker 1: a normal guy, just like a lot of you guys,
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  Speaker 1: and like like me, who's just tore up with white tails,
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  Speaker 1: and who has decided to work hard all year round
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  Speaker 1: and sacrifice a lot of other things in order to
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  Speaker 1: be able to chase that white tailed passion that he
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  Speaker 1: has during the fall. And I think what he has
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  Speaker 1: to share will be able to help a lot of
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  Speaker 1: you guys and girls out there who might want to
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  Speaker 1: try something similar in the future. So, no matter what
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  Speaker 1: I think, if you hunt managed ground or public land,
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  Speaker 1: the Midwest or the South or somewhere in between, I
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  Speaker 1: think You're all going to be able to learn something
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  Speaker 1: today from Eric's matter of fact, no bullshit approach to
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  Speaker 1: hunting mature bucks. So with all that said, I want
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  Speaker 1: to kick things off briefly here with our sickest story,
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  Speaker 1: and then we'll get Eric on the line. So our
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  Speaker 1: sick oft Story today comes from a guy named Mike
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  Speaker 1: Massey who grew up hunting and chasing white tails in Florida,
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  Speaker 1: which I think, as many of you know, is not
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  Speaker 1: exactly a big white tailed mecca. But when Mike finally
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  Speaker 1: headed up towards the Midwest, he found out that white
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  Speaker 1: tails and hunting up there is just a little bit
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  Speaker 1: different than back home. And I looked out on top
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  Speaker 1: of this, on top of the draw, on this ridge,
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  Speaker 1: and I could almost it was just getting that time
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  Speaker 1: where you know, it's just some silhouetted stuff. Um, I
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  Speaker 1: really couldn't tell. I'm looking through some trees and this
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  Speaker 1: this this mature comes up in short less and it
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  Speaker 1: just it made the hair stand up on my all
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  Speaker 1: my body. I mean it was like okay, And that
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  Speaker 1: was probably that moment where I'm like this, this is
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  Speaker 1: what it's about. I I remember my bug was just
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  Speaker 1: pumping um. And you know, you grew up watching these
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  Speaker 1: TV shows and you never get to experience that down
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  Speaker 1: in Florida. I you know, I've been hunting pretty much
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  Speaker 1: my whole life and I was never unabled it. But
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  Speaker 1: literally the first couple of hunts that I hunted out
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  Speaker 1: of state during prime time um. And with this case,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't even primetime. I mean a dear snort weason
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  Speaker 1: in September. It is a little funny. Um. And here
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  Speaker 1: I am, you know, coming up as a as a
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  Speaker 1: young guy at in South Florida, never really get to
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  Speaker 1: experience that stuff. I'm I'm grunning at this deer and
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  Speaker 1: I'm and i I'm snort wheezing at a deer in September.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm saying, you know, that's you don't read that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: We were you were taught, you watched the old timers
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  Speaker 1: and Tom Random, Steve Potts on on the stampots. They're
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  Speaker 1: not They're not start wheezing in September. Well, well I
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  Speaker 1: did it. I I would and you know what the
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  Speaker 1: heck And sure enough I got a reaction like I
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  Speaker 1: never um, like I never thought it possible, because it
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is how it's supposed to be.
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  Speaker 1: So the real deal, that's awesome, the real deal. Mike
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  Speaker 1: Massey is a Sick White Tail ambassador And this was
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  Speaker 1: the Sickest story. And if you'd like to somebody make
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  Speaker 1: a Sikest story of your own, visit siker gear dot com.
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  Speaker 1: And now let's get back to the show and get
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  Speaker 1: Eric Pisar on the line. All right with us. Now
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  Speaker 1: on the line is Eric Pisar. How are you doing? Eric? Good?
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  Speaker 1: How are you doing? Mark? Um? Well, Um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like we were, like we were just talking about a
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  Speaker 1: few minutes ago before I started recording. Um, I had
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  Speaker 1: such a good time chatting with you last year when
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  Speaker 1: I worked on this article about you that for a
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  Speaker 1: while now I've wanted to try to get you on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast to to kind of digging deeper. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: really glad we can do this. So thank you for
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  Speaker 1: taking the time to do this. Eric, Yeah, no problem. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I like talking about deer hunting, so it should be fun.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm curious Eric. You know when we talked last time, UM,
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  Speaker 1: I was really asking a lot of questions about how
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  Speaker 1: you hunt the rut today, you know, what you're doing
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  Speaker 1: these these days. But I what I never did get
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  Speaker 1: to hear from you was how you got into this?
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  Speaker 1: How did you get so into hunting? When did that
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  Speaker 1: all start? Eric? Well, I started probably when I was
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  Speaker 1: maybe twelve or so. I got into archery, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just shooting around the yard. Um. This is you know,
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  Speaker 1: back a long time ago, and uh, I had a
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  Speaker 1: luckily had a neighbor that you know, really like to haunt. Um,
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  Speaker 1: so I would spend a lot of time down there. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: no one in my family haunts at all, not a
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  Speaker 1: single person. Um. So it's just kind of weird that
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  Speaker 1: I got into it. But that's how I started. I
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  Speaker 1: started out just shooting those red fairy curve bows around
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  Speaker 1: my yard. And back then they had archery at school,
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  Speaker 1: so I remember getting on the boss with a bow
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  Speaker 1: and actually shooting in school. I don't know if they
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  Speaker 1: do that anymore, but probably not. I wish my school
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  Speaker 1: had that. So you started shooting the bow then when
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  Speaker 1: when didn't of killing your first year? We all that
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  Speaker 1: took a long time actually, from the time I started hunting. Um.
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  Speaker 1: When I started hunting, I didn't have much equipment. Um,
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  Speaker 1: there wasn't any hunting shows on TV. Didn't have a
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  Speaker 1: computer or anything like that, you know. So basically I
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  Speaker 1: was getting ah, you know, psyched up from my neighbor
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  Speaker 1: who haunted a lot um. But yeah, I just had
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  Speaker 1: She's my first. My first bowl was a big long
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  Speaker 1: white tail about their white tail, big long things, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, four or six wheels on it, big giant thing.
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  Speaker 1: I remember the day I got it. I remember how
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  Speaker 1: much it costs fifty five dollars from the dollars, and
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  Speaker 1: it was just yeah, that's how I that's how I
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  Speaker 1: started by. I didn't get a deer for a long time,
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  Speaker 1: and like I would have been happy with any beer,
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  Speaker 1: you know, any anything, and that didn't happen too quickly. Um. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was actually she I think I was hunting for
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  Speaker 1: maybe three years before I even knew there was a
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  Speaker 1: bow safe for the ball. That's how pathetic. I was
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  Speaker 1: really pretty pretty bad. I remember my first year of
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  Speaker 1: actually hunting. I I missed mm hmm at least fifteen
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  Speaker 1: at of deer. I don't know. That is tough. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's it was bad. I was bad. I was horrible.
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  Speaker 1: So so what I forgot to to ask was this
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  Speaker 1: all happening in New York or where was this when
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  Speaker 1: you're growing up and learn to hunt. Ah, yeah, right
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  Speaker 1: in New York, up state New York. Um about about
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  Speaker 1: even with the middle of the state on the mass
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  Speaker 1: Chusetts side. I was right near the mass Chose border here. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so it's probably not an area that is just overrun
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  Speaker 1: with deer either. Right, Is it a kind of a
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  Speaker 1: relatively tough place compared to maybe some of the Midwestern
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  Speaker 1: states that that a lot of people hunt. Back then,
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  Speaker 1: it was a lot different. There was tons and tons
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  Speaker 1: of deer around my area, just not a real lot
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  Speaker 1: of big ones, just lots of them, you know, just
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  Speaker 1: but I don't remember, you know, well, maybe it's because
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  Speaker 1: I just didn't know how to get through them. I
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  Speaker 1: don't remember any big box at all back then. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, i'd see him in the fields and you know,
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  Speaker 1: there was a lot of farm contract to drive around,
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  Speaker 1: but not then I this is before I had a license.
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  Speaker 1: But um, you know, there's just there was a lot
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  Speaker 1: of deer back then. Since you know those modern time
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot lot less. They just have them, you know,
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  Speaker 1: killed very back they're just keeping them a lot lower
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  Speaker 1: population of them these days. You so you struggled those
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  Speaker 1: early years. When when did you wanted the switch flip
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  Speaker 1: for you? When you went from the struggling hunter to
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden a very successful hunter. Was that,
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  Speaker 1: you know? Was this something that happened, you know, once
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  Speaker 1: you killed that first year, than it just clicked and
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  Speaker 1: you're going with it, or is this something a little
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  Speaker 1: more recent. It was years and years before I got
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  Speaker 1: anything great. So it took me a long time just
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  Speaker 1: to get one deer. And my first year with a
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  Speaker 1: bow was a button box, that's it. And I was
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  Speaker 1: real happy about it, real real happy, you know. So
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  Speaker 1: I finally got one. It was great. And after that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it seemed like I would get a deer
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  Speaker 1: once in a while, but it was always, you know,
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  Speaker 1: always a small box or a doll. And that went
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  Speaker 1: on for a long, a long time. Uh. I was
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  Speaker 1: like fourteen when I first got my first license to
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  Speaker 1: bow hunt, and geez, I didn't kill I didn't kill
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  Speaker 1: anything that great until maybe two you know, after the
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  Speaker 1: year two thousand. Prior to the year two thousands, I
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  Speaker 1: just didn't kill anything big. But I always got you know,
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  Speaker 1: I got to the point where I always could get
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  Speaker 1: my deer, and then I wanted to do try something.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to try something better and you know, try something,
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  Speaker 1: and I wanted to just really all I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: do was get the ten pointer. That was my first goal,
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  Speaker 1: just to get a ten pointer. Um, so I took
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  Speaker 1: a while. That's pretty awesome. Do you remember, do you
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  Speaker 1: remember that first ten poinyer. Yeah, I do remember the
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  Speaker 1: first ten pointer because it wasn't in New York where
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  Speaker 1: I lived. Um, by the time, I was kind of
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  Speaker 1: thought I was okay getting a deer, you know, any
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  Speaker 1: any deer. Um. That's when hunting shows started to come
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  Speaker 1: on once in a while. And this is still before
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  Speaker 1: I had a computer. So I started to learn that
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  Speaker 1: there was a bigger deer and better places to hunt,
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  Speaker 1: probably than where I was hunting. So, you know, after
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  Speaker 1: a long time of being really happy doing what I
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  Speaker 1: was doing, but then I decided I just wanted to
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  Speaker 1: take a trip. And the first trip I took was
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  Speaker 1: actually to Saskatchewan to go on an outfit outfit of
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  Speaker 1: deer hunt. That was in two thousand and one. And
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  Speaker 1: I went there and went to the a real remote place.
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  Speaker 1: It was just awesome. I loved it. And uh way
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  Speaker 1: back and the way back and who knows where I
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  Speaker 1: was way north in Saskatchewan, I finally got my first
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  Speaker 1: ten pointer with a rifle. I didn't go boh now here.
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  Speaker 1: Was it one of those big chocolate horn beautiful bucks
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  Speaker 1: that you see up in Canada. Yeah, it was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: probably a hundred and fifty around are just a big,
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  Speaker 1: you know, two ft spread on it, big, you know,
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  Speaker 1: two inch main beings, just a big, big, giant dre
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  Speaker 1: that mondamen almost going downhill. I don't know, you real
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about eating deer, but you just
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  Speaker 1: I had the feeling this one was an old old
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  Speaker 1: you're just looking at them. Yeah. So since that point,
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  Speaker 1: you know, as as I know now from talking to
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  Speaker 1: you in the past. Now, I know that you go
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  Speaker 1: on these big hunting trips every year, but lots of
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  Speaker 1: times you're going you know, you're doing it all yourself
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  Speaker 1: and you're hunting some private, some public, and you're hitting
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  Speaker 1: multiple states. Did that start right after that first hunt?
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  Speaker 1: You know, you went out through your killed your ten
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  Speaker 1: point and then after that did you start doing these
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  Speaker 1: trips every year? Or when did that doing that? Well?
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  Speaker 1: I just really I went to Statue one. It was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: So I actually went there pretty more years or two
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  Speaker 1: more years, two more years. Uh, And it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: expensive and up in Saskatchewan you have to use an outfitter.
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  Speaker 1: I was kind of new to the game of traveling
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  Speaker 1: around to go deer hunting. Um, but I did good.
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  Speaker 1: The second year. I actually got a hundred ninety four
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  Speaker 1: in seventeen pointer the next year up there. Um, then
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  Speaker 1: the third year I went up there, I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: bow hunt, so I did. I didn't use a gun,
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  Speaker 1: and it wasn't the greatest thing in the world, but
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  Speaker 1: I did wind up getting okay bock. It was an
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  Speaker 1: the liven Pointer, not not the biggest thing, but at
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  Speaker 1: least I got it with a bow. I was pretty
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  Speaker 1: happy about that. So after that, you know, I just
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  Speaker 1: I can't really afford to go to Tamas every year,
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  Speaker 1: as much as I liked that, and I decided did
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  Speaker 1: that I would start going to the United States, just
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  Speaker 1: places I had heard about and and try, you know, try.
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  Speaker 1: So that's how I started out. After I went to Canada,
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  Speaker 1: I just decided that I didn't want to really you know,
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  Speaker 1: outfitters are okay, but I was more leaning towards like, well,
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  Speaker 1: what can I do, you know, just on my own. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so that's how my thinking kind of went. And uh so,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I hunted quite you know, I hunted quite
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  Speaker 1: a little bit around the Northeast. But then right around
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  Speaker 1: that time early it must have been two two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and five, actually was was the year, the first year
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  Speaker 1: that I went to the Midwest, and I actually we
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  Speaker 1: drew this is the craziest things. I drew his own
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  Speaker 1: five isola tag with one preference POINTZ, which which doesn't
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  Speaker 1: happen anymore these days. But so yeah, that was like
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  Speaker 1: one of the first places I went, and Illinois was
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  Speaker 1: a big Everyone wanted to go to Illinois, and I
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  Speaker 1: guess people still do. Um. I don't think it's the
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  Speaker 1: best place anymore. But so coming from New York, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so coming from New York when you first started hunting
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  Speaker 1: the Midwest on these trips of yours, what was that like?
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  Speaker 1: Was it was it as big of a difference as
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  Speaker 1: you were expecting. Was it as good as you thought
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  Speaker 1: it might be based on TV and different things like
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  Speaker 1: that that first year, the first couple of years. Ah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was. It was way better than even what I
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  Speaker 1: bought because I could take everything that I learned here
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  Speaker 1: and go out there where there was you know, just
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  Speaker 1: actual beer that were big and nice and it's and
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  Speaker 1: it was I want to say, it's gonna make people mad,
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  Speaker 1: but it was actually a lot easier to haunt in
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  Speaker 1: the Midwest than in the Northeast, a lot easier, and
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  Speaker 1: mainly I'm thinking just because you know, maybe I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know what the percentage is, but a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the land is just field, so you know, that takes
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  Speaker 1: out a whole bunch of lane. You don't have to
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  Speaker 1: walk around, and it's just makes it easier to predict
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  Speaker 1: what they're gonna do. And and they're actually there to
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  Speaker 1: be had. You know, there they were out there, so
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  Speaker 1: there's a big difference. You can't kill a big one
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  Speaker 1: if I'm not there. Yeah, they you have to be
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  Speaker 1: in the spot where they exist. Since then, Eric, you've
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  Speaker 1: been going out, Well, I guess first I'm curious to
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  Speaker 1: hear um all these different states have you hunted out?
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned Illinois and Iowa, But where else have you
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  Speaker 1: gone and hunted down in these different areas for your trips? Oh? Well,
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  Speaker 1: in the in the northeast New York of course, and
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  Speaker 1: then I've hunted in Maine, which is the real tough
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  Speaker 1: one hunted and mass Choosetts, which is right next door here,
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  Speaker 1: So I can do that all the time. But out
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  Speaker 1: in the Midwest and the Plain states, I've gone to Ohio, Um, Illinois, Iowa, Nebraska,
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  Speaker 1: South Dakota are the place. Said then, Okay, and now
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  Speaker 1: that you've been doing this for a while. I already
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  Speaker 1: know the answer to this, but but for those listening,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: what kind of success have you started having? Now now
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: you've done these trips, tell me about these trips. They're
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: pretty long trips and you're usually doing pretty darn well.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Can you can you kind of give us a high
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: level of how these usually end upgoing? Now? Yeah? Um,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I remember in two thousand and eight started hunting um
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Nebraska and South Dakota at the same time, and it
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: was awesome. I was on my own, doing my own things,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: looking at whatever land I could get on, looking at
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: all kinds of different public lan But and that that
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: first year two thousand and eight, I wounded up getting, Uh,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: she's a nice I wanted up getting a nice here
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: in South Dakota and a nice here in Nebraska, and uh,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, I didn't do as well in
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Nebraska in South Dakota. But I went to Ohio after
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: that and got a nice dear. And then two thousand
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: and ten, I don't I a shot. I forget where
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I was. I think I was mostly in Nebraska, and
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: you could get to two tags in Nebraska. Plus there
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: was an Indian reservation I was humping on and South Dakota.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: So I think in two thousands and times and two
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: thousand and eleven I wound up getting two thousand and time.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I actually went to Iowa as well. Um, so I
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: wounded up getting four you know, pope and young sized
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: box between Iowa, South Dakota, Nebraska. So that was a
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: free a three state again. Um, these thousand nine one
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: was a free state hunt as well. Two thousand eleven, Um,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: it was a two state, but I had I was
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: able to get three tags in Brassa because one was
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: a reservation tag and at that time Nebraska had too
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: to buck limit and then South Dakota had a tag too.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: So so yeah, it's been pretty good on the good years, Yeah,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: pretty good. And that kind of that kind of thing
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: continued on from two thousand eleven. I mean, I remember
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: you mentioned some some of those hunts twos and twelve
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: thirteen fifteen, you continued to fill three or four tags
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: with really nice bucks and almost all those years, right, Yeah, Yeah,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven was like like a really good year.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Two thousand and twelve, Um, that's the year that e
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: h D hit my area that I hunt really bad,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: really really bad. Um. I did get a couple of
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: bucks that year, but not quite you know, there weren't
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: as many less to choose from. So Ever, since two
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: thousand and twelve, it hasn't quite been the same out
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: in that area. Um, but I did. They have done
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: well every year. I mean, it doesn't kill everything, right,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: A little bit harder? Yeah, how long are these trips?
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: You're going out here, hitting multiple states and you're coming
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: all the way from New York. How much time are
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: you spending out here every year? And what time of
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: year is it that you're doing these trips. Well, it's
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: always pretty much the same thing. I whatever state I'm
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: gonna wind up with, I check out their gun season
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: and my trip. I scheduled my trip for um the
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: day to last until the day before gun season, and
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: so I count back three weeks from when gun season starts,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: and that usually is the first two weeks in November
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: and the last week of October. And that's just about
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: the time frame every single time. There aren't too many
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: state I don't think that I have a gun season
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: prior to the second week in November. Most of them
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: you get at least two weeks ago hunt in November
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: how do you how do you manage to do that?
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: How do you take somewhere? How are you able to
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: spend so much time out there? Um, I just have
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: to work the whole rest of the year. And I
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: had a nice boss, and I just have to It's
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: always been my thing with me and that I'm I'm
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: just not going to be around you know, it just
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. I'm whatever's happened, it doesn't really matter
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: because I'm going to your line pretty much, really the
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: bottom line. And it's and it's been that way in
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: my whole life. I mean even when I hunted around here,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: even when I was learning how to hut. I mean,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: there were seasons I honed every single day of bow season,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: which in New York back then was a month if
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I had a few years of that. But yeah, I uh,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I just like that time period. And I don't think
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: that's too much to ask to have three or four
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: weeks yourself. Yeah, So, so I gotta I gotta believe
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: that to be able to do that, you you know,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: like you said, you've got to work all the rest
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: of the year. You've got to probably sacrifice some other things.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: You probably don't get to go on many other vacations.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe you probably have to save up some money, but
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: you know, would you say that's fair? Like could more
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: people do some trips like this to some degree if
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: they chose to sacrifice some other things like maybe you
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: have Yeah, that's only because you know, I'm not rich.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm an electrician, uh in New York. You know,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: it's it's a good job, but it's not going to
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: make me millions, you know, so I would say, yeah, like,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: you're exactly great. I do have to you know, I'm
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: a big fisherman too. I love fishing, and I had
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: to pretty much cut out my summer fishing trips to
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: you just to be able to just say I'm going
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: to be gone for hunting. You know, they the job is,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: they're good and it's been They've been good to me,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: but one more summertime trip is going to break their backs.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, oh, as it was last year I was
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: playing I Going hunt and when I got drawn for
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: a main moose tag, so I had to squeeze that
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: into the middle of my work schedule. That was tough. Yeah,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: but a three week a three week trip when you're
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: going out here on this this rut hunting trip? What
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: is that? What is that like? I don't think many
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: guys or girls hunt like you do for three weeks straight.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Um and for my what I know, you're you're hunting
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: every one of those days, right, I mean, tell me
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: about what that's just like as an experience? Is that exhausting?
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Is that just? Is it fun the whole time? Is
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: it tough? Is it? I don't know how what's that
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: like for? It's fun the whole time, and it's it's
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the way it works. It's just it won't work. And
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: if I did a one week vacation, it's just won't
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: work the same. It's just you have to be there too. Well.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: I'm a raw hunter. I love the raw. I think
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: that's just the best time to cash in and so
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: you're going to see the most activity. Um. So for
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: those three weeks, it's it's really awesome. What happens is
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I get there, and of course I don't. I can't
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: scout prior to getting there. I can't take a point
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: one hour drive just to scout somewhere in the summer.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I want to take the time off or whatever. So
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: when I get there, that's the first thing I have
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: to do. Is I have to scout check it out. Um.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: The good thing is if I've been going to the
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: same place as some times, I mix it up, but
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I go to the same place as also, and you
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: know that's really what you gotta do is just build
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: build up. You know, just go there once so there's
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: twice you're gonna be twice as good and you the
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: third time you're gonna really know what's going on once.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: It is tough, but you could do it. You could
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: really just do it. Fine. You just gotta sacrifice the
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: first a little bit. You might have to drive around
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: a little bit, you might have to you know, exploire,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: you might have to you know, you should have a
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: list prepared to all the places you want to go,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: so you could just boom, boom boom, hit them all,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: get as many injusy time. And really that's not the
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: greatest hunting time in the last week of October, so
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: it's a good time to kind of just check things out.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: But by the second, you know, by the first week
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: in November for Halloween even you kind of want to
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: have a couple of spots ready for sure, because that's
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: when things are going to start eating up. And that's
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: certainly they're going to start to move. So I like
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: to have a few places ready where I know I
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: can go, and then you know, haunt as much as
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: you can, and if if it's not productive hunting and
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: you feel, you know, you're not really doing anything, then
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: go look for another place and keep keep kind of
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: doing that as much as you can, you know. Um.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: And the key of the whole thing is that, uh,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: and I've seen it happen to people before. They're going
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: hunt for a week and you get six straight days
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: of south wind and the deer just don't move. They
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: just it's too hot for him to move, so they can't.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, poof, it gets cold
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: and then boom, he starts. You know, it's just like
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: a light switch. So somewhere I would say in that
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: somewhere in that three week period, you're gonna get three
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: or four killer days. That's just unbelievable. But you can't
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: predict what those days are going to be, really, um,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: you just have to be there. So that's how And
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: in a lot of these trips, I'll go for three
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: weeks and I've killed three bucks and like three back
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: to back days because obviously all of a sudden it's
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: nothing and then boom you get on and then you
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: move to the next you know, next state or the
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: next tag and boom, get another one. You know. Really,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: and that happens quite a bit, quite a bit. What
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: are those conditions that typically spark it for you out there?
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: It's just cold cold, anything that gets cold. Um, that's
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: those are the best for me and really a lot
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: of people. Well talking about the moon. Ah, you know,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: the moon doesn't really affect me at all because I'm
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: there at hunt those you know, whether it's three weeks
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: or whatever it is, I'm gonna on every day anyway,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: So the moon doesn't really it doesn't really play into
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: it for me. Um. But the weather does. And it's
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: just about always some kind of cold leather. That's that's
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: starting things up. Yeah. Um. You mentioned you mentioned early
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: on that when you start these trips that you sometimes,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: especially if it's a new property, your sacrifice in the
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: first day or maybe two to scout um. And you
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: mentioned maybe even still trying to get permission in place.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: But let's say you've got you've got permission in place,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: or you've picked out a piece of public land. Um,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: what does that for stay, Like, what specifically are you doing?
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: How are you scouting? What are you looking for? Like,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I mean give us that. I'm curious about the details.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: What exactly How far do you go into these places?
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: You know? How do you learn about quickly? Um? It
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: depends how big it is. Um. Some places you just
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: can't cover them in a day. Other places are you
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: can walk the whole thing and half a day. So
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: what I like to do, UM, what I really like
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: if I know the area and I've been there before,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: it's a lot easier. But I do like to just
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: take one walk through. I think regular, I think the
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: deer are going to be and just you know, a
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: lot of times in the Midwest there's woods and then
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: there's fields, you know. So I'll walk the woods or
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: or the edge of the woods in the field or something,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: and I just want to walk at once. Meanwhile, mentally
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: value rating everything I see and thinking about possible places.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: And usually if I'm like, I don't you know, it
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: looks good, but you know, maybe not. You know, I
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: just keep going and I try to get at least
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: one place from like, oh man, you just look at
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: it and you're like, I know, I could kill a
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: buck here, I know it, and so hopefully, you know,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: depending on what the access is, hopefully you can just
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: maybe walk through once and then access you know, through
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: a field right to the point you want to be
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: in the woods, so you're not walking back and forth
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: all the time. But one walks through during a rout haunt. Man,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't mess mess up the deer too bad.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I'm still able to get them. Yeah, you know, what,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: what do these but what do these killer spots look like?
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: You mentioned you find these spots where you're just like, oh,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: I can kill one here. What kind of things are
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: you looking forward? I'll tell you that I like rivers.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Rivers are always in the Midwest. People want to farm,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: you know, it's mostly farmers, and farmers want fields. They
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: don't really want woods. But wherever there's water, rivers, even
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: small ones, they have to leave some trees, like a
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: small creek and a ravine, you know, they have to
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: leave some trees for erosion. So it just seems like
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: any kind of river in the bit. Like big rivers
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: they're awesome too. The bigger the river that like, the
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: more trees are on the sides of them, and uh,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: you know, that's that's where the deer are going to be.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: And you know the rivers, you know, they collected all
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: the best, the best soil. It's washed off all the land.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: So there's just good minerals, good cover usually a good,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: good place to be. But there's you know, lots of
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: other things to look for too. But so I'll get
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: in a spot maybe with the river, and just walk
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: it until you know, by the time I'm not walking around,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: you shouldn't be seen scrapes and rubs, you know, maybe
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: get torn up, or you know, bucks of thought, or
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: just tones and tones of tracks, you know, just any
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: kind of heavy more than normal science is just kind
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: of what I'm looking for. All the typical stuff, robbed scrapes,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: you know, anything that's just gonna kind of tell you
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: that there are using it, and they're using it a lot.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: You know. It just seems like every place I get too,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: they'll be one spot where you just I can't explain it.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I'll just look around and just you just look at
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: the train and you look at the sign, and you
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: just kind of know that sooner or later there's going
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: to be a box cruising throth. Yeah, so that running sign,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: the scrapes, rubs, that kind of stuff. It sounds like
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: that you're just looking at that as a general sign
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: up there being a lot of deer activity. Or are
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: you actually saying, Okay, there's a rub line here, so
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I want to set up along a rub line, or
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: because I see this scrape here, I'm gonna hunt this
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: specific spot. I mean, how do you factor that specific
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: sign into how you're going to hunt? Well, a lot
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: of it you just gotta trying to know, you know,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: everything that you've built your whole life figuring out about deer.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: You just have to kind of apply that and you
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: have to say, well, you know, dear most app to
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: you know, come through this our glass pinch point rather
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: than expose himself in a prairie, or you know, eventually,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: you know, too many things cross in one spot. You know,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: you just you just kind of get a feeling, you know,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: and after years and years of years of hunt and
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: you kind of you kind of can figure that out.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I don't. It just seems to become natural to me.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Maybe uh, but it's just somewhere you just I don't like,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: maybe someone else would walk right through where I thought
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: was phenomenal and now I want to hunt there. I've
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: had to go both ways, and some of my friends
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: are awesome horns, and sometimes they pick a spot and
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I'm like, why are they doing that? They must have
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: just had that that good feeling or something. But um, yeah,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of it's just instinct and feeling and curious,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: do you if you were to think back on some
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: of your past seasons, is there any particular place you
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: can specifically remember that you ended up, you know, having
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: this feeling and it ended up being a spot you
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: killed a deer. Do you remember a specific place of
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: that you could describe just so we can, you know,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: so we can kind of see this particular instance that
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: did pan out and we can kind of better understand
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: why why you were successful there. Yeah, let's see. There
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: was there was a really good spot on public land
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: in South Dakota and just it was pretty darn hard
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: to get to it. You had to go through down
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: the ravine into some sick feeders and you'd be poking
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: your eyes out and it was just the nastiest thing.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: And I actually I went to that public land three
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: times before I figured out how to even get into it.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: And then once I figured out how to get in. Um,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: I just down in and got past the nastiest stuff
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: you can imagine, and then it just opened up into
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: this oasis and it was just that was out of
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: the cedars, and then all of a sudden it was
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: like a dry creek bed and it was just right
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: up the side of the public land and it just
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: created the perfect little valley funnel. It just was like awesome.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: And then you know, you could just see when the
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: deer were coming off the hill. There's a couple of trails,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: but they all kind of crossed up in this spot
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: and you could see a distinct straight line and you
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: just this new deer were traveling it. I went a
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: little further up, and uh, sometimes I don't like to
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: do that. You know, once I find a good spot,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I could just stop right there and hunt. But you know,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: sometimes your curiosity gets you in the first time. But
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: this time was my first time in there, and I
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: went a little further up. I found the ground just shredded,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: shredded right up, and I looked there was a kind
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: laying on the ground, busted right off. You know, you
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: find people see deer with bust tracks all the time.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: This they found one more time busts off. Wow, pretty
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: good sized time. Like whatever there was fighting was big probably,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: and it just had just had all the like signs
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: of big deer, lots of activity, you know, you could tell,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: you know, one deer doesn't make one rub and one
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: deer doesn't make one scrape a lot if they're good,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: there's a good spot, multiple tier always hit the same rubs,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: hit the same scrapes. It's not one dear scrape. Sometimes
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: it is one deers rub a lot of times. It's
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: if it's a good spot, many many bucks will come
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: scrape on the same scrapes, rubbed on the same rubbed
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: already trees, you know. So that that one spot I found,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: I just knew it was gonna be awesome. And I
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: went there and actually I killed. It was a public
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: land spot and I killed. I had a standoff with
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: the deer I wound up killing it. It just was
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: one of them things where and it was just at
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: the very beginning of the day, and that deer, it
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: was a nice deer, and I was like, oh, maybe not,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't have shot that deer. So I was
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: hunting with a friend of mine and I said, you
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: gotta go back down in that spot where I just
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: killed a deer there, but I just knew there was
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: something way bigger and better in there. Anyway, he went
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: into the next day he was killed the monster flammer,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: a wide buck. So so I got to like the
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: booby rise that day, but my friend got got a
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: real nice giant How did you sorry, go ahead, No,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that, there's there's lots of
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: lots of spots like that. I just I have good
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: feelings on and they wind up being good. So I
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: was curious, how did you end up setting up in there? Um? Like,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: what what specific spot did you end up hanging to stand?
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Was it right over where you saw that sign from
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: the fight or was it back farther where you originally
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: saw the good sign? And what things were you thinking
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: about when sending up your hunt your tree stand to
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: hunt it the next day or was it that day
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: you end up punting? Um? It was you know, I
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: found the spot and you know, started haunting it right away.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: But it was one of those places where the woods
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: was just a finger and one side of it was
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: a river, on one side of it was a big
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: giant prairie, actually private land. The prairie and it was
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: just the only you know, it was the only good
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: strip of trees. And then out of that, you know,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: the trees were a good spot, but out of that
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: there was a big steep bluff and plate, you know,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: just kind of an area that didn't seem the best
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: for travel. But then there was an area that was
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: that dry flat riverbed that just had green grass growing
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: in it. And you could just tell that every deer
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: came off the hill, maybe not off on the same trail,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: but everyone passed down that alley, hit the scrapes that
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: were down through it. Kind of it just pinned straight
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: off almost got it was so smart. There was almost
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: nothing and that opened up into that seedar thing that
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: I had crawling to get there. So it was just
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: a natural pinched down area and I just went to
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: the pretty much the last scrape before the thing kind
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: of petered out and just hung it right on the end.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: It was. It was really easy, um, and that was
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: another place that I could get through by a boat.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: I later figured out. Sometimes it takes a while to
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: figured it all out. That was an example where I
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: walked in and then found a better way to boat in.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Later I want to. I'm curious about your stand situation
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: when you when you're going in there, you know, early
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: in the hunt and you're doing your walking scouting. Do
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: you end up hanging a bunch of different tree stands
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: over the course of those first couple of days and
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: then hunt them over the next week or two or whatever.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Or do you just have one set that you're you know,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: hunting mobile with, Like you've got a tree stand sticks
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: in your back, and then you find sign, you hunt
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: right then and then you tear down and move on
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: to the next place. What are you doing there? Um?
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I have the biggest shouldn't have junk stand? You everyone
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: to say I got fine and sticks? I haven't, you know,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: stands with all different types. I have just so much
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: stuff I accumulate over the years. But you know, it's
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: just I guess it kind of depends some places. I
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: don't mind. Like you know, some guys don't, like, you know,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: on on the stand more than once. You know, some
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: guys just want to be completely mobile. And but I
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: don't think it's really necessary with rock hunting that much
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: as much so I do have. I do have sets
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: that I put in and over the course of three weeks.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: I might unt it once twice, may never haunt it.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: And but I put I put a few out, um,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: and then I always have a bunch of mobile stuff,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: you know, I have you know, have a light sticks. Um.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I do really like a comfortable stand though. Um the
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: stand is uncomfortable. You just can't stay there all day,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: you know, And I like to stay there if I
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: have to all day. Um, but yeah, comfortble I like
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: to be comfortable. Otherwise you fake it too much, you
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: know why in this day and age, why be uncomfortable?
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: And there's so many choices fair enough to your point,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: you know, especially in a situation like yours or anyone
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: really when you're going on a trip, maybe cross country,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: and you're going on that trip to hunt, I mean,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: you want to maximize your time as much as possible.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: And during the rut that all day said can be important,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: So you might as well do what ever you can
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: to make sure it's possible, which to your point is
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: is making it more comfortable. Yeah, I mean I want
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: to do everything that's possible. Um, So I bring food, water,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: nice stand, hopefully a nice stand. If it's a nice
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: enough spot, I can sit in a pretty harsh stand
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: too if it's done that, I've done that, hey, you know.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: And sometimes I go in and I plan on, you know,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: maybe doing a mooring hunt, scouting my way out and
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: doing something. But then a lot of times during the
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: day I change and I'm not afraid to just stay home.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Like I might go in thinking I'm gonna sit for
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: two hours and sit all day. If I think it's
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: that kind of day, I'll change my plan, you know,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: And just mostly I change it and stay. Very seldom
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: do I think of sitting all day and then want
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: to leave early. That doesn't happen too many times. But
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: so what is it then that makes you decide you
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: have to stay? Is that just you've just seen so
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: much dear activity that you gotta stay there, or is
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: it some other kind of thing? Now, it's usually that
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: you know, you see the deer, they're on their feet,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: they're moving. Maybe you just saw a crazy chase and
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: you know that the bucks are still going to make
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: another loop around, or just you start to see a
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: deer every hour, and or it comes time when you
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: think you're gonna leave and you're surrounded by deer, or
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: just anything that usually involves seeing more deer than what
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: you're expected to see, or better activity or a big
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: giant buck chase, or you know something, there's nothing. I'm
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: never usually sitting there. Oh I didn't see anything. Well,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: maybe i'll wait long, or it usually doesn't happen like that,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: but or it could be the wind. Maybe I'm just
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: maybe my second choice. I know the wind is bad,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: but the wind is good in my first choice. So
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: I just said, well, you know, I better stay here
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: because it's not gonna be happening in that other place
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: I want to go because the wings dead wrong. So now,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: why did you say that the opposite doesn't happen? So
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: you said you usually won't go to a spot hunt
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: all day and then decide to move that. Why doesn't
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: that happen very often for you? Uh? Usually, once I
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: have it sat in my head to go sit all day,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: there's a good reason that I want to do that
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: to begin with. So I stick it out and I
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: just want to stay. I just you know, if I
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: usually if it's but and even if I don't see you, dear,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: if I'm set um. I walked out the door saying
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting here all day, I'll I'll sit there all day.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: I usually don't want to quit. I don't want to leave,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: and that's a lot to do with everything. I never
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: want to leave. I never want to about ah. So
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: I could spit it out, Yeah I don't. I don't
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: know why they like to me. Just planning to sit
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: all day and you're gonna leave early. That's kind of
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: like just like quitting. So it doesn't sound like you've
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: got a whole lot of quitting you. I don't like too.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: It's you know, now fishing or haunting. I want to Yeah,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I want to maximize all the time. I feel like
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: of all the people I talked to that are really
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: consistently successful hunters, um, that is just something you've gotta have.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: You just you can't quit when the going gets tough.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: You can't quit when it's you know, starts getting slow
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: or cold, or when you start getting tired. I mean
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: that's when you guys just battened down and stick it out. Yeah.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: And there's gonna be lots of bad times of all
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: the time you're hunting. You know, say I'm sad hunt
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: for a month. There's gonna be one day maybe where
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: I could it here. The rest of those days, you know,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: what Yeah, was it great? Was it awesome? Sitting in
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: that tree forezing all day? And you know, you know
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of bad days, tons of them, tons
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: of them, but you just forget about those and they
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: never the good ones. Yeah, it's all worth it for
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: that those few special moments, right, Yeah, definitely. So you know,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: you just you just can't give up. You just gotta
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: press on. You might be hungry, you might be cold,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: it might be uncomfortable, you might have a stick in
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: your back, but just who cares, it's one one day
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: you can't handle one day. You're just not gonna make
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: it doing this kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah, speaking of that, Yeah,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: what about just attitude? Like how important is a positive
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: attitude to the way you hunt? I feel when we
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: talked last time, you've mentioned this a little bit, and
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: I think it kind of ties into what you just said,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: But I mean, how much does this mental side and
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: the attitude side of things actually help you have the
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: success that you've had. You just gotta gotta stay positive,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: And like, if you started thinking the worst, then that's
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: what's gonna happen the worst. You just every time I
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: go I don't go to a spago I'm not gonna
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: see anything anyway else just go. I don't go. It's
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: not like that. I think I'm going here and any
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: second now Slammer's got coming down the road. I just
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: know it, you know. And if I didn't feel like
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: that every time I was hunting, it would be terrible
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: on and I wouldn't even I wouldn't even have fun.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Every time I go, I think something awesome I'm gonna happen.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: And if I'm not there, I think I'm missing something.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: So yeah, and a good attitude is pretty good. I've
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: been in cance where you know, you getting somebody that's
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: a downer and that can really that can really drag
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: everyone down. Yeah, you know quick, Yeah, it's a it's
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: a yeah. So and you know another, like one of
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: my biggest philosophies is you you don't even have to
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: do anything that great. If you could spend time and
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: a good location, you're probably gonna do pretty good just
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: just those two things. Time and location. Just you. If
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: you put in three weeks and a good location, I
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: mean something something bound the good that's going to happen.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: You know, it's it's just bound to happen. You something
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: good will happen in that amount of time. But you know,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: in a week, you know, you might just miss it
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: out of the weather that way. But like like you said, though,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: you know, even for a guy that only has a week,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: you have to go into that week with that positive
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: attitude and willing to put in all the time, because yeah,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: you might miss it, but if you don't stick it
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: out and try and give it everything you've got, you
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: definitely will miss it. So whether you've got one week
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: or three, right, you got to go in there and
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: give it every single a little bit you have, right, Yeah,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: I would say so. I mean I can remember, uh haunt.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: I actually wont to haunt to Illinois. Ah On actually
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: was on the Hunting Beast website and they had a
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: good deer contest. It was really neat and I wounded
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: up getting a trip to Illinois. But when I showed
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: up there, it was trying to remember what time of
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: the year it was. It was it was I think
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: it was like prime rutt rutt time, and it was
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: just seventy degrees every day. It was just hot, hot.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, you were your face was frying in the stand.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: It was just you know, it was pretty bad and
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: It was one of those south wind deals with it
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: just blows and stays warm, just every day, south south south,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: and I sat every day, every day, all day and
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: really through the heat every second. That was one of
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: the few guys that walked out of there on the
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: very last day. I ended up getting this, getting a
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: nice book. And uh, it was just from just from
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: sticking it out that much. Yeah, a couple of years ago,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: I think it was two thousand fifteen, maybe we had
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: we had a warm first week of November and I
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: was hunting in Iowa, had a bunch of other friends
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: that were hunting there too, and I ended up being
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: stupid and bailing out for a day and a half
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: to go deal with some other stuff. I thought, well,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: it's warm, I'm gonna go deal with some family stuff.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: And um. I had three other friends that were still
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: hunting though, and even though it was like seventy degrees
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: during the day, three days in a row, they each
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: killed a nice mature buck um on all three of
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: those mornings. So I missed two of those days and
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: it was just a great It was a great reminder
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: to me that even when the conditions aren't right, and
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: even when you know everyone and all the things, all
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: the signs point to it being a bad day during
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: the rut. Anything can happen, and you do just need
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: to stick it out because you know it can it
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: can still come together. Can you know they're but they
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: aren't going to stop reading, you know. And if it
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: just takes that one all it takes in one deer
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: one and no one bow to burn everything around and
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: even in the worser conditions, yea, even the worst times, yeah,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: never know never Alright, Well, I think this is a
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: good place for us take a brief break for a
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: word from our partners, and first we have a weekly
• 57:08
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• 57:12
  Speaker 1: This week with White Tailed Properties, we are joined by
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Jeff Probes, a land specialist out of northern Missouri, and
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: Jeff is going to be telling us about what to
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: look for when scouting a property in spring. Well, I
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: think for me, uh, I've been doing a lot of
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: spring scouting for for a number of years, and uh,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: I think the number one thing I look for is
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: travel patterns and in the in the trails, in the
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: through the timber, because everything is so open in the
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: spring and you can I can backtrail these trails coming
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: in and out. I think it's in kind of parallel
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: them to where they're the you know field edges and
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: to and from feeding sources and betting sources. So I
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: really like to walk the trail, the beat down trails,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: because that tells me where the deer are traveling, you know,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: in the fall and you know throughout the year where
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: you can't see it as good when there's foliage on.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: So you know that time of year, this time of year,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: early spring, there's no foliage on, and the sign has
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: just laid out like a book. You can just read
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: it so good. And then obviously I look for I
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: look for rubs, UH and scrapes, and particularly rubs. I've
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: got several farms that I hunt. I own a couple
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: of properties and then I at least at least one
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: and um, I'm always looking at you know, where the
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: bucks are traveling because of the rubs, where the rubs
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: are located. And well, it's pretty simple actually, I just
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: look for where the travel patterns are with the beat
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: down trails. I look for rubs and UH and old
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: scrapes and just everything is laid out so easy to
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: see in the spring. It's my favorite time of your scout.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: If you'd like to learn more and to see the
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: properties that Jeff currently has listed for sale, visit white
• 58:49
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• 58:53
  Speaker 1: p ST. And finally, I wanted to share one more
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: update from our friends at hunt ter Maps, who earlier
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: this spring launched their new hunt Terra mobile map, which
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: allows you to get the uniquely high quality map image
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: that they have usually on their print maps, now on
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: your mobile device. And I actually got to use these
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: mobile maps last fall, and during my Idaho elk hunting trip.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: This map came in particularly handy. It was the last
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: day ever hunt and we wanted to get up into
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: this new area for the morning hunt and wanted to
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: be there well well before daylight. And so we were
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: up in hiking a couple of hours before you first light.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't like we had a trail or anything
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: to follow. We were bushwhacking across country. So I used
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: my mobile map on my phone to navigate to our destination,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: and it was super helpful for a couple of reasons.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: First off, you know, I didn't need to have any
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: kind of self service, which is hard to get up
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: there sometimes, and the maps still tracked my position through GPS. Secondly,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: different than the maps you'll get from Google or other
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: map apps, the Hunt Terra mobile map has their unique
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  Speaker 1: now get back to the show. You mentioned a second ago.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned a second ago that, um that it all
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: comes down to time and location, Right, you gotta put
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: in enough time and you've got to be in one
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: of these you know, key locations. Um. I know something
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: you mentioned in the past was that you like to
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: look for places that the hunters don't go, especially when
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: you're hunting public land. I'd imagine, Um, how do you
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: find these spots where where's in the spots that you
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: find other hunters don't go? And how do you get
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: to these places or find these places in the first place. Well,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: that's pretty much the thing that every hunter is trying
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  Speaker 1: to do, is go to a place hunters don't go.
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  Speaker 1: You're you're just you're not gonna find too many places
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  Speaker 1: where egos or no, you're not going to find any
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  Speaker 1: places where nobody's been. You might find a place where
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: no one's going or no one's going at that time.
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  Speaker 1: Um My, My best best hunting technique to get places
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  Speaker 1: where you know there's gonna be less people is my boat,
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  Speaker 1: and I take it on every trip no matter what,
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  Speaker 1: no matter where I'm going, no matter if I think
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  Speaker 1: there's water there or not, I still take it. If
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  Speaker 1: it's just a zodiac boat that rolls up into a
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: duffel bag, just unfolds, I blow it up. It's got
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  Speaker 1: three air chambers, it's got a hard wooden floor, you know,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: panels that you put it all together. It's like ninth
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  Speaker 1: nine ft six long, but it will and it'll take
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  Speaker 1: up to an eight horse power motor. So I bring
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  Speaker 1: it a little outboard with me and the boat. You
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: literally fit it in a trunk if you had to
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: this whole set up, but the boat will. It's rated
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: for to carry over a thousand pounds, so it's pretty stable,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: it's pretty quiet, doesn't take a lot of water to
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: float it. Um I use a a motor, you know,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: I don't have to. It has the worst too, but
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  Speaker 1: it's one of the best best ways to get away.
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  Speaker 1: And these places are rare, but they do exist. Or
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  Speaker 1: you'll find, you know, public land that the only way
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: you can get to it is by water or or
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  Speaker 1: or permission from a private landowner. And most of the
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: time the private landowners are gonna let you walk across
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  Speaker 1: their land to get easy access to the public you
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  Speaker 1: want to get to. So a boat can really do it.
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  Speaker 1: UM and you'll find places. I'm planning the Haunt of
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  Speaker 1: Missouri this year and I found already at least one
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: place where it's only accessible by a boat. Um. A
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: lot of public land is just designed for people to
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  Speaker 1: use it, So there's a lot of trails and everything's
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  Speaker 1: opened up with water. Seems to be a pretty consistent barrier. Um,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: And you can get some really neat places. Yeah, So
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: that's um, finding places where other people don't go. I
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: mean it's it's hard. It's really hard. Um. When when
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: your bow hunting, it's a little bit better because even
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: if there is other people there, maybe you can just
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  Speaker 1: get away from them enough. You know. Also it depends
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  Speaker 1: on the land. I mean I hunt on land that
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: thousands of acres and I hunted on a little acre pieces.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess it all depends where you go. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to get away from people and just flat
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: woods people just walk and walk and walk and walk,
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  Speaker 1: and if they don't they don't get wet, they'll keep
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: walking and walking. Yeah. So do you when you're actually
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: like when you're planning a hunt, then even before you
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: get out there out there, do you specifically look for
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: public parcels or places you want to ask for permission
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: that aren't like that? Are you specifically trying to find
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: places on the map ahead of time online that you
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: know look like they're going to have these pockets? It
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: are tough for people to find. Yeah. I tried my
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: best to do it on online inner cyber scouting to
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: find places. Um Like, like I said, I'm planning to
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  Speaker 1: hunt in Missouri right now. Um So my list, my
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: list started out of places to go. The first thing
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: I did was I picked out areas that only Alabo
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: hunting was my first you know separator, I guess of land,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: so you know, I come up with a list like that,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: and then, uh, you know, maybe that's maybe they're not
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  Speaker 1: all the best, but that's where I like started. And
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: there's lots of places for land that a lot of
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: people go online hit the state the state land, and
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of states have good interactive mapping. But there's
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: other land that isn't state land that you could still
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  Speaker 1: publicly hunt on. I already mentioned the Indian Reservations, right,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't think they have the greatest reputation,
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  Speaker 1: but there's uh that's that's one piece of land I've
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  Speaker 1: hunted on Army Corps of Engineers. They usually have land
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  Speaker 1: that you can hunt on in a lot of places.
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  Speaker 1: I think most of their land is around water, which
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: goes hand in hand with the boat thing. Um. I've
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: haunted on power company land. It's not listed on the
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  Speaker 1: not listed on the state land thing. So um, you
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: just gotta keep looking for all the different places that
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  Speaker 1: have public count and it's not just a state. Ah,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: there's other other places that you can look um. And
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: then another thing that's had happened too, which is really
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: cool is a lot of states will have a walk
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  Speaker 1: in program. I don't know how they work. I think
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  Speaker 1: they must give people a tax break for people to
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: use their land to hunting. You've heard of that in
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: different states. Well, once in a while someone would enroll
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: their land, but it won't make the publication of that year.
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  Speaker 1: So just before you do your trip, right after the
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: the public land Atlas comes out for the year most
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: states album, you call the poul the office and say, well,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: what's been enrolled since the publication? And once in a
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: while you get lucky and you'll find a place that
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: just went in to walk in or whatever the case
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: may be, and you'll get a you'll get a first
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: pack out of before it's well known. That's a good
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: and that's happened a couple of times. And I went
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: to Ohio once and uh, I went to American Electric
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  Speaker 1: Power Land that had just like seven thousand acres that
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: had just opened up the year before I got there,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: so it wasn't it wasn't well known yet. And those
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: those can be pretty good. If she's I mean, it's rare,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: but if you're on top of it and you're doing
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: your trip and your plan and you don't feel like
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: making a call, you can never can't hurt Hey, Like
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  Speaker 1: most of the people you talked to are super nice,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: super friendly. Um. And I just wanted to mention one
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: other thing about all these hunts I do. There's so
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: many awesome people to have had so much to do
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: with the year that I've been able to get And
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: it's I hate people when I'm hunting woods, but outside
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: of the woods, I relate people most of the if
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: you just happen to get friendly with, you know, make
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: make some friends out there, and it happens almost every
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: year if you're if you're open to it, Um, you
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: could have some pretty cool things happened a lot of
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: the lot of the hunts, a lot of the cool
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: stories that I've had, and the successes of just just
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: been from really meeting from really nice people. You know. So,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: is there is there anything you're doing, you know in
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: particular that just allows you to have these opportunities? I mean,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: do you go to local dinners and just chat people
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: up or anything like that like that you're actively thinking
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: about doing or are these kind of things just happening
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: by luck? Um they I think I think they happened
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: by law. But I have. I have chatted in diners. Actually,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: I geez, one year it didn't paying out. I met
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: a guy in Illinois in a diner, just started talking
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: about haunting and next thing you know, he offered me
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: up a piece of land has gone on and I
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: was like, wow, you know kind of you know, it
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: was great. It was on a the a river, run
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: Spoon River or something like that. But uh uh, I
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: just can't name. Oh another just a good people's story,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: is uh that? I hope it isn't too long in
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: a story. But um, a friend of my friend of
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: mine got drawn for a moose tag in two thousand
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: and fourteen up in Maine. So another friend of mine
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: that I hunted every year he had moose hunted and
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: name alrighty. He's like, ohh you gotta go to this
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: guy's camp. You know, we weren't we were gonna go moose.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: I was a sub permittee on this guy's from it,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: and we were gonna just not use a guide. We're
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: just going on up do it yourself, moose on. He's like,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: you gotta go up to Jeans camp, you know. So
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: we did. In two thousand fourteen, Um, I started talking
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: to the guy who's kind of friends with My friends
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: are back home already. And he was a little older
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: than me, and he was, you know, a big deer hunter,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: but he's up way up in mein you know, they
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: get some nice do up there. But he was talking
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: about high La and uh he was a really nice guy,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: and uh we were having a lot of fun up there.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: And I said, well, I told the guy, go, I
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: have a really great farm in Iowa that I got
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: permission on on And I said, I I'm pretty sure
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: that you could get permission hunt here. You know, I
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: just tell me talk to me whatever. So so this
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: guy from me, uh, you know, got his preference points
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: and I gave him the information, so, you know, and
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: he was all. I gave him the people to call
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: and all that, and uh roll forward up to two
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: thousand sixteen last year. Um, I drew a moose tag.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: Uh and it was for the same zone that my
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: friend was and where I was going to go back
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: to the same guy's cabins. He rent he Rens cabins
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: up there. Well and behold, he drew his Iowa tag
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: for two thousand sixteen last year. So I got up
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: there to moose hunt and well, actually I went to
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: scout and the hunk, but uh, I got up there
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: and he was going to Iowa to a farm I
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: had hunted a couple of times and I was going moosehan.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: So the two of us kind of meeted each other
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: to you know, get a little He gave me a
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: loose advice and teps, and I kind of got him
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: picked up with a nice farm in Iowa and by
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: and both of our seasons he had his hundred and
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: fifty buck and I had my moves. That's awesome. So,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: you know, just meeting there any people sometimes everything right,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: And like you said, it's it's just about being open
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: to it, you know, being willing to chat up people
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: and being willing to you know, just engaged. I'm honestly,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: I'm guilty sometimes of being always in such a rush.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: I just want to get to somewhere. I just want
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: to go to this place. And and I sometimes kicked
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: myself for not taking more time just to chat with
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: people and kind of chill out a little bit. I
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: think that's a mistake on my part. Probably. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: just can get a chance, and you just you never
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: know when that kind of moment's gonna happen. You really
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: just don't. So yeah, you know, yeah maybe, but I
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: don't know how it happens. But instead of you know,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: looking away or you know, I just I don't know
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: this guy, I'm not going to talk to him or whatever.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: You know, somehow, if you keep yourself open, sometimes you
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: just meet the best people. And that's that's happened to me.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: And you know, that's how I got permission on and
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: I you know, met really nice to people. So it's
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: crazy how the world works sometimes. It definitely is. I
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: want to go back a little bit to something you
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: mentioned um a little earlier. You were talking about how
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: you're planning in Missouri, Hunt this year and how the
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: first criteria you looked at to narrow down your list
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: of spots was trying to find places that were both
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: only Um, can you walk us through the rest of
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: the criteria, Like, how do you continue to narrow down
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: where you're gonna end up focusing your efforts to start out?
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: What other things are you looking for before you even
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: get out there? Yeah, well, before I got to make
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: in my list here, Missouri is a big state, so
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: I had to, you know, kick somewhere in Missouri to start.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: You know, you got the northern part of the state.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, you've run in Missouri, so I actually haven't.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: Oh you have a hunt Missouri. I thought that's what
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: you had around it, but been just above the border
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: at ways. But yeah, well, the first thing I started
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: researching that I've always wanted to go to Missouri, just
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: never have, and that this is going to be the year. Um.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: So the first thing was all where in Missouri we're
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: gonna go. Ever, a lot of people I talked to
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: there's a highway that runs east west Highway seventy. A
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: lot of people say the best biggest year in North
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: Highway seventy. You know, in the northern part of the
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: northeastern part. You know, they're trying to butt up the highlight.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: I guess, um and get in on that train. So
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: I was thinking, all of what I want to be there?
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: So I want to be in essential? Do I want
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: to be in Ozarks? You know? And I kind of
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: hemmed him hot and eventually decided that, well, I'm I'm
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: guessing that everyone's gonna try to get to the northern
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: part of the state, in the northeastern part, maybe in particular,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, well, maybe I'll just not not do that. Um.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: So I actually decided on probably a less I guess
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: it's a pretty big generation to say all the big
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: bucks are north a half like seventy. But um, I
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: decided to, you know, maybe I'll try the middle part
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: of the state where I'm thinking there's going to be
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: less people, less pressure on maybe less nine rather than
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: pressure pab still of local pressure. But you know, so
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: it was like a you know, I cut off. I
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: had to just decide and then once you once you
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: figure out, well, I wouldn't mind being here and pick
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: a spot, and most of my spots I look at, well,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: I look at the state, first look at all the
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: big cities and just try to find an area that's
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: the middle point of all the big city Like stay
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: as far away from the that your cities as you can.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: That's what I like to do. Um what you don't
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: always have to do, but that's my first starting point,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: and just look look away from the city. So I
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: find a find an area and I look, well, what's
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: the public land around there? Because really, right now, that's
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: all I have. So you're looking see where, like if
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: I was here, how many spots can I get to
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: within an hour? And Missouri is one of those states
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: just had land. It's about everywhere. Uh a lot in
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: the south lit in the southern end, So I didn't
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: want to go away in the south. I figured the
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: deer getting smaller. But so it's so once I figure
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: out how many spots I could hit, then you just
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: have to pull the church. Well where am I gonna stay?
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: So that was the first thing I did. I just
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: picked a spot, and I'm not going alone. I'm going
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: with some friends. So we all agreed, and I'm kind
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: of a guy that takes the spots usually gets things rolling.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: So we did that and I just I found us.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: I found the spot. I found a couple of bow
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: only spots. There's a couple of big ones, so I picked.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: I picked an area that was near one of those
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: big bowl only spots, and I got just found a cabin.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: And that's how I like to do a lot of
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: the haunts. I don't really like camp I mean, I
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: like the camp, but I like to be fully focused
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  Speaker 1: on your hunt, not you know, being up shivering all
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: night or wet or you know. It's like, yeah, cabins
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: are usually I've been great, So that's what I usually
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: look for. I'm kind of cabin Oh uh did that?
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: Got a place? Got a cabin. And then then that's
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  Speaker 1: how I started my list. I just listed out, you know,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: listed out all the bowl only areas. That's my starting point. Um,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: right now I'm still I'm still looking. I know where
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: we're gonna, say, you know what town we're going to
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: be in. I have this list of boil on the area,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: and I just now I'm just gonna keep looking, looking, looking.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: And another thing I might do is I might, for
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: um two or three days, I'll I book somewhere else's
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: study maybe in the northern part of the state. And
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: since it's my first time in Missouri. We'll have our
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: main hub and then for maybe two or three nights
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: I might take a three hour ride somewhere and just
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  Speaker 1: to see you all. Is the north so much better
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  Speaker 1: than where I picked or whatever? You know, this is
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: my first year there, and that's what I'll just do,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: and I'll just I'll just pick the place apart and
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: I'll look at it online and I'll look you know,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: and I'll just I'll try to cover the first year.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: I'll try to cover as much areas I possibly can,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: at least get a peek and as much stuff as
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: I can, and let's go from there. Hopefully I'm going
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: to find something. That's the big question. Yeah, it is.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: But hey, if you Notlson, will ever happen if you
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: don't leave, if you don't do something, and if you don't,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: just you gotta just decide to go and go. Yeah,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: I think that's a lot of people probably get hung
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: up with wanting to do this and not really knowing
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: what to do, so they don't do it. But what's
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: the worst that can happen? You just gotta really just
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: if you like to hunt, you just gotta go for it. Yeah,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: absolutely have to for for someone who hears this and
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: it's like, wow, I would love to do something like that.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they don't have as much time as you have,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: but they want to take some vacation time and get
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: out to some different place and try to pull off
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: a hunt like this. You've talked through a lot of
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: different things you're doing, But what would you say is
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: like the most important thing? Like if you could leave
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: someone with one piece of advice for doing some type
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: of hunting like this, some type of trip like this,
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  Speaker 1: what would you want to leave that person with? What
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: kind of advice? Mm hmmm, uh yeah, just what I
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: was just saying. It's just don't think about it. Just
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  Speaker 1: just go maybe, you know, and let let something happen,
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  Speaker 1: Let something good happen. I mean, the first step might
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: be the biggest. It might be just getting out the door,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: leaving your house. Maybe now I don't know, maybe somebody's
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: homesick or whatever, but you just gotta leave and just
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: you know, have fun. You know, I go with friends
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: of mine and we could probably kill nothing and we'd
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: still have a lot of fun guaranteed, because I mean
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: we like, if I go with my friends out hunting,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: we have a last week cook. Ah, we all bring
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: stuff that we've harvested, you know, throughout the year. We
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: always eat these big we would cook ourselves and you
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: know we're eating like squid I caught out of the
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: ocean and you know trout these guys, you know, caught
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: out of the lakes around here, you know, moose stew
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: or any So we have a good time, you know,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: you know, aside from the hunting. But just just like approach,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: it is a fun thing that you know, that's that
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be a burden or pressure or anything like that.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: You should be I think excited to leave and see
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: something new and keep a good attitude. And you know,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: if it doesn't pan out, then do try something else.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: You know, you know, if you're just if you do
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: your thing, you need to do research. These days with
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: the computers, you just you could find out just about anything. Um.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: You go on on things for ums and you know,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: if there's tons of real nice people else, I don't
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: know if anyone's gonna give you their publicly and on
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: the whole, but you wouldn't believe the things you can
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: find out. So I would just say you just gotta
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: have fun. Yeah, speaking of speaking of things, that people
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: get hung up on, though you mentioned some people just
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: need to just that first step of the hardest get
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: out the door and try it. Another one of the
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: things I think that keeps people from trying one of
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: these things is the cost. You know, imagining the trip
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: like this is really expensive. Is there anything that you've done,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: UM to be able to make this a little bit
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: more budget friendly, anything you would recommend to try to
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: make this a more affordable type of trip for people? Yeah, Um,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: I guess the way I view it is you could
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: do uh, if someone wants to get out there and
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: do it, you could go with an outfitter and you know,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the prices are like these days,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: but say the haunt three or four thousand or whatever,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: for that same money, you can hunt two or three
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: states or maybe even more with lodging and everything you can,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: you know, you could or uh, you can hunt one
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: state cheat for half as much. So I kind of
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: compared it to an outfitted hunt. But um ya, if
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: you just if you just pick the right stage, there's
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: a few states with two buck limits, so right right there,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: you know, instead of one day, you can maybe get
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: to um if you like, I said, I go hunting
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: with friends most of the time, and we'll get a cabin.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: So you could find a cabin for maybe who knows,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: a hundred bucks a night. And if you have a
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: couple of ends but here, well then it's you know,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: depending on how many people you know, four guys or
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: three guys or two whatever you do, the cost just
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: goes down them, you know, if you if you have
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: some friends and the driving to like, the big expenses
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: on these funks is the driving out there in gas
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: and wherever you're going to stay. And then sometimes tags
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: cost non resident tags a little bit, but um yeah,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: and if you're depends is where you're willing to stay.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: If you want to camp, you can really probably go
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: cheap um. But compared to an outfit at hot I say,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: you could do three or four times as much for
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: the same amount of money if you're rarely playing it right.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: And I've done I've done where I've hunted maybe four
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: maybe even five states and one year, uh, with two
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: of them being right here in New York and Massachusetts.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: And then I've done up to three Midwest states in
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: one trip. Wow. And I know not everyone can do that,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: but you know, and if you can't or maybe some
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: day you want to do that, just start by going
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: to one state and could spend as much time as
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: you can. If you can't spend three weeks and spend
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: you know, I always say a little more than a week.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: It just seems like a week is there's never enough.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: It's tight, that's for sure, never enough. You just need
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: a little bit more. Yeah, and that if you get
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: if you get a tag like Iowa tag, why would
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: you want to waste that? It took you four years together,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: five years and you're gonna hunt there for a week.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. You know, put put in the top time,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: put in the time in a good location, and I
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: think I think you'll get onto something. I mean, box
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: in the rout are different than than maybe hunting buck
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: beds because you know, with a buck bed, you know
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: you might displace the buck you're hunting, But when it's
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: rout season, basically all the bucks are almost displaced there
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: either buy another hunter or a dough or whatever. Their
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: ranges just widening right out. And you know you're not
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: gonna burn a stop because well maybe you burn the
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: buck that lived right near there, but there's going to
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: be for your four other box expanding their range into
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: where you are, so you might get on an unknown buck. Yeah.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you do um during the
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: rut to make you successful that we haven't talked about yet?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: You know, is there any other things you're looking for
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: when choosing where to set up or any aggressive other
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: aggressive techniques that we haven't talked about, calling or decoying
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: or cameras or anything that. I mean, is there anything
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: else you're doing to pull off these rough hunts? Now?
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: I use a lot of regular techniques. I like to
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: be uh, you know, I go as sent free as
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: I can. Although it's not a regiment, it's just um,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: it's just so, you know, it's just so that whatever
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: smell you do lead behind it dissipates quickly, you know,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: just snake it so you're not even a big footprint.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: You're just sneaking in. You're you're probably never gonna be
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: the deer's nose while you're in a stand. If that
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: thing gets down in from you, there's really no cleanliness
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: that's gonna save you. But uh, you know, just just
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: normal normal you know, scent, you know, just try to
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: be clean. And then I sometimes use a ground call
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: sometimes use rattle and antlers. I've had luck with both,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: but I've had you know, for every hundred times you
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: blow a drunk call, one time might be you know,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: you might get some kind of response, and the same
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: with rattle, and you just got to do it at
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: the right time. Otherwise, you know, just they only work
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: when they work there, you know, they only Yeah, now
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: you know you're not gonna rattle anything up in September
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: by your might I don't know, but you know there's
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: more appropriate times to do things like that. Otherwise I
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: don't want to do to know him there. I don't
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: want to run to him. I don't want to rattle.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: I just want to be a leaf in a tree
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: and you know, not clue them into where are you
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: can help it? Just try to you know, when you're
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: walking in you know, you don't want to touch everything
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: that you're walking by. You just want to duck in there,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: and just little things like you know, why would you
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: want to grab brush on your way by? You probably
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: just left the big who knows what you left? Ah?
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: I most of the stuff I do is is pretty typical,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: except for the length of time I would say and
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: and maybe the amount of time I spend, you know,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: looking for places online or I mean I can't do
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: it physically, so I you know, I spend who knows
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: how any hours mulling things over and looking and looking
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: online and looking online again and countless countless hours. And really, uh,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: you know, wired to hunt. That's a pretty good name.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: I kind of feel that. I kind of feel like
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: I'm wired to hunt. You know. That's awesome? Yeah, you really,
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'm definitely wired hunt. It's you know,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: I think about it. I don't probably out of Bay
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: goes by without some thought of deer hunting or you
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna do hunting. I'm right there with you.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, I live in the woods. Like a lot
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: of people aren't lucky as I am. I can look
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: out any window in my house and I'm looking at
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: a dense forests I lived. I live in a state
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: forest and actually, um so my land just up the
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: thousands of acres. So I'm I literally live in the woods.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: And I've always been near the woods, and I've always
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: lived in the woods. But and it just helps to
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: be tuned in as much as you can be tuned into.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: I mean here, I mean, I don't know what it is,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: but I'm definitely definitely feel like I'm wired to hunt.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: I like to hear that. I'd like to hear that
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: the name resonates, but does it does? I mean, it's
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: just I don't think no one else and my family's wired.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: I can sure tell you that, so something something happened
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: to me. I don't know what. It definitely is a
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: I think people for a certain subset of people were
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: just wired a certain way. There's something inside of us
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: that this type of thing just connects with you, and
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: you know, you just can't stop thinking about it. You
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: can't stop obsessing over these things. You can't stop thinking about, Man,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: what if I try this? Or what if I try that?
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: Or what are the deer doing right now? Or what
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: are they gonna be doing next month? And exactly there's
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: there's some of us out here that just we can't
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: we can't ever stop scratching that itch. That's for sure. No,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: it's crazy, and it's just something that's It's just something
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: that's in some of us, are you guys. That's just
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: it's kind of almost as like unexplainable, but it's there. Yeah, Yeah,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: just the total desire to be there. You know, if
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: you don't have that, you know, you can probably learn
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: everything there is to learn and still not be successful.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: You really, I guess kind of have to be wired,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: don't That's that's that is a good a good term,
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: a good just overall description. Yeah. Well, I think I
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: think with this really great plug for where to hunt,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that's a good place to wrap it
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: up too. So alright, so this is this has been
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: really fun. Um, I got one. I've got one final
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: question for you, and I just would like to hear
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: about what you consider your your favorite hunt maybe or
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: maybe your most successful trip or hunt. Can you tell
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: us a story of of whatever that most memorable or
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: best hunt would be from your past? Wow? Ah, she's
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: there's too man eater even I really don't have them.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I can't. I don't really think I
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: have a best hunt. I couldn't really. I mean, there's
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: hunts or you know, I've got my biggest deer, but
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: maybe they're not at the best hunt. But ah, there's
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: just everyone is awesome. I can't remember every detail almost.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: I can remember the years, the dates, I can't remember
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: what happened something of DoD that got away, all right?
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: That was that was an unfair question. What about what
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: about this? Um, I'm gonna gonna test your memory now,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: because you just told me you can remember every one
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: of your hunts and the dates and all this kind
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: of stuff. So how about this, tell me about if
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: you can, Um, how about your two thousand thirteen season,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: And can you tell me about one successful killed during
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: the two thousand thirteen season and one of your trips?
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: Can you tell me the details of one of those? Yeah? Um,
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: two thousand and thirteen, UM wasn't the best year because
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: my area got hit by e h D in two
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: thousand and twelve. So two thousand and twelve we watched
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: phenomenal area go to the greatest for the worst in
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: in however many months I took. So two thousand and
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: thirteen was the first year of the comeback that you
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: know that I was wishing to go into the season
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: and just praying that I didn't see any more of
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: that awful pH D that I saw in two thousand
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: and twelve, and I went, I hunted. Uh, I was
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: in Nebraska and South Dakota, and I wound up shooting
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: the nine pointer in Nebraska Um, it went one of
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: my favorite stands that's like become a permanent fixture has been.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: But it was called the hole in the fence spot
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: and uh I wounded up getting a nice chocolate horn,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: pretty nice nine pointer, which I thought was pretty good. Dude. Uh,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: due to the h D just devastated the area. I
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: didn't know if we're gonna get anything or not, but
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: uh so yeah that was h I got a nine
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: point in Nebraska, and I remember remember it, well, what
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: what made that hole in the fence stands so good?
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: Why has that been the place that you go back
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: to over and over? Um, it's uh the place I
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: was haunting as these I call him finger draws that
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: it's just like prairie. But every steep ravine that can't
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: be killed or you know, crazed by the farmer, it's
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: just they make a steep ravine. And so there's a
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: lot of area within those fingers that can't be traveled,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: but usually on the lips of those things right before
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: it goes down. So start to travel those edges, and
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: this particular edge uh squeezed up with prairie on both
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: sides of that, and the things like a finger going
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: east west and then the further squeeze there was a
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: farmer's fence that kind of cut off half of a
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  Speaker 1: good area. So it just seemed like all these deer
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  Speaker 1: with just always head to this a hole like it
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  Speaker 1: were the fence ended and h that's what made that
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  Speaker 1: area is so good. It just tinged everything down so
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  Speaker 1: good that it was just one of those great great spots.
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  Speaker 1: And it also led up into one of the only
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  Speaker 1: cornfields in the area, so when the corn was there planted,
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  Speaker 1: that made a really good, really good spot. Yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: sounds like a dynamite rut spot. That's awesome. Yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: killed a couple of deer there. Um, a friend of
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  Speaker 1: mine actually hunted there the day after. Oh, this was
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  Speaker 1: a couple of years previous the two thousand, but I
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  Speaker 1: had killed like a hundred and forty years eleven pointer
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  Speaker 1: and my friend used the stand a few days later
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  Speaker 1: until the hundred and seventy something. Dear, Wow, great spot
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  Speaker 1: sounds like it. Well, that's what's all about during the rut.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if there's anything I think to take away
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  Speaker 1: from this conversation, it's you find these key rut locations.
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  Speaker 1: You'll work your tail off and hunt as hard as
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  Speaker 1: you can for as long as you can during the rut.
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  Speaker 1: And if you do those two things and have a
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  Speaker 1: positive attitude, good things can happen. Right. That's great, man,
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  Speaker 1: Just stick it out, spend some time, have fun, meet
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  Speaker 1: as many people as you can, and just bound to
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  Speaker 1: run into something good. Just you have to. There you go, Well, Eric,
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  Speaker 1: that I think is some very solid good advice for
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  Speaker 1: all of us. So I appreciate taking the time to
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  Speaker 1: do this in the chat. And uh, and thank you, Eric,
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  Speaker 1: and best to luck this coming season. Hey, thanks a lot, man,
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