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The Latest Drama From The NASCAR Trial | Kenny Wallace Show · Kenny Wallace Media

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All right, Kenny Wallace, we are live on the Kenny Wallace
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YouTube channel. We're really testing.
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We're testing for this big open house you have tomorrow with
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Kelly Shyrock. You're going to have what you
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think, hundreds of people here. Hundreds.
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You know Charlie, I think we'll have hundreds of people and I'm
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excited for Kelly Shyrock. He is a well known, successful
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dart racer and I'm happy you're testing because I want to make
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sure everything goes good. So everything I think sounds
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good, looks good. Tomorrow we'll have a light so
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people don't complain. We'll have a light tomorrow.
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This is really just a test. But we feel like since we're
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here, we might as well talk about the biggest story, not
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just in NASCAR, maybe in NASCAR history.
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This trial is insane. And yesterday, the Kenny Wallace
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Show was was on the mainstage in the cross examination of Denny
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Hamlin. How crazy is that?
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Charlie, it it it it's so crazy that it goes so far back.
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I'll never forget the day that you said, hey, I'm starting a
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podcast too. For us.
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We're going to be on the YouTube, but you wanted to start
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a podcast, so you named it Kenny Wallace Media.
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So between Jeff Gordon, you know, saying Kenny Wallace Media
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and now the what, the second biggest thing in NASCAR history
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first would have been Dale Senior passing away.
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But them saying our name, what the second day starting out I'm
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like, Oh my God, Schrader called me.
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I mean, it's, it's been insane. The funny part about that is so
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when I'm seeing all the tweets yesterday from NASCAR reporters
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I put out there, first I said specifically tell me what was
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said and then a bunch of people tweeted it.
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So I went back and looked. So that Denny Hamlin
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conversation was, I believe July 10th of 2024.
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So basically a year and a half ago, it was a 90 minute
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conversation. There was 16 minutes where you
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guys are talking about the charter.
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So people watching can go watch the whole 90 minutes if you want
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the 16 minutes about the charters.
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But this is also before the lawsuit.
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And I chuckled because you basically said, you said now
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we're not going to get Denny Hamlin in trouble and it wasn't
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your fault. It wasn't his fault.
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But I found that funny because a year and a half later, here it
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is being used in the freaking cross examination at the biggest
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trial in NASCAR history. And he didn't say anything
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wrong. All Denny did was brag on NASCAR
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and now NASCAR is coming back going you like NASCAR because
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you said it on the Kenny Wallace show.
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I'm like, first of all, it was Kenny conversation.
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But yeah, so it it's it's basically they're trying to say
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you bragged on NASCAR. You said that the Next Gen. car
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was a good way to get into the sport.
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Course. Danny comes back, you know, in
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the trial and goes, look, I was trying to promote the sport.
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And then, you know, here we are two years later and it didn't
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get any better. And yes, I said that, but I said
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that trying to paint a good picture of NASCAR.
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So I think, I think we're off the hook.
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We we, we didn't say we didn't do nothing wrong.
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You should never brag on NASCAR. It it wasn't your fault.
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And then today we made a short of this, but you had a great
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take on the fact that NASCAR was going after Denny Hamlin and
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saying, hey, you make $14 million a year.
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And then Denny had just the perfect response, which was a
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not, not all these guys win as much as me, which is it's the
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perfect response. Oh well, because basically I, I,
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I understand what was going on, right?
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But when we do coffee with Kenny, we don't have time to
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dive deep into it, you know, because the fans don't like
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coffee with Kenny real long here.
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We can go into it. I understand NASCAR was trying
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to say you make plenty of money. Why do you want more money?
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That wasn't the point. The point was you make
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14,000,000 a year. And, and, you know, Danny was
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perfect, but he should have said it's because I went a lot and I
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earn it. And yeah, I thought it was
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embarrassing because it was also saying you're making too much
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money. And in the meantime, over here
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in Formula One, you know, Max Verstappen's making 65 million,
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Lewis Hamilton's making 60. And what, Charlie, you know all
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about baseball. What's a What's a a good
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baseball pitcher making right now?
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Well, you said, you know, 25 to 30 million for a, for a good
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starting pitcher, that's what they're going to make.
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And then so Shohei Otani is a Unicorn being able to pitch and
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hit. He's making like $70 million per
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year. Now a ton of that's deferred.
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I think he's only actually making 2,000,000.
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No, I think it's actually $2,000,000.
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And then like, so we're talking 680 deferred, $1,000,000.
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But but basically he's still making $70 million per year.
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And you made a great point. Look and and Shohei Otani might
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be the best baseball player in the history of baseball.
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But still he throws the ball, he throws the.
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Ball and NASCAR drivers are putting their their life's,
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their, their bodies, their brains on the line every single
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day. Yeah, I just really think it's a
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bad deal to dumb NASCAR down. It's it's OK to say, hey, look,
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each team should probably not spend over 10 million a year.
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That's fine. But don't limit a player or a a
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an athlete. That's like saying Michael
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Jordan doesn't deserve what he's making.
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I mean, Denny Hamlin is the winningest driver.
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He's got 60 NASCAR wins. He won six races this year.
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Always give somebody a care, right?
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It's kind. It's kind of like anything in
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life. If you do better, you get more.
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I don't like it when people try to dumb down what what sports is
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all about. And I want to get your take on
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the trial so far. To me, though, maybe the biggest
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thing that's happened happened before the trial when it was
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last I believe Friday, Thursday or Friday, those leaked, those
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leaked texts and messages. I thought now and we'll, we'll
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go both sides here, but I thought the most damning thing
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that's happened to NASCAR since this has started was when we
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heard what Steve Phelps said about Richard Childress.
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And I've heard a lot of fans in the comments section respond
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here. You know this, there are a lot
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of fans who who have thought over the years that NASCAR,
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maybe some of the execs, the suits look at them as rednecks
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and hey, we left the South. We're going to the West Coast,
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we're going to the big cities, we're going to Chicago, which I
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think Chicago's a great race. But just big picture, like these
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fans thought that NASCAR looked at them as rednecks.
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Well, then when you see it actually released that they
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think, I mean, what is Richard Childress?
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Is he 80 years old? He's been in a sport for 60
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years. He was a driver, he was an
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owner, he owned Dale Earnhardt Senior's car.
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For them to talk about him like that, I think that's been the
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most damning thing that's come out against NASCAR in this whole
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deal. No doubt in my mind you're
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exactly right. And it reminds me, listen, I'm a
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lot older than you, but I I'm sure you remember as a kid,
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maybe I don't even know if you were born, but in the early 80s,
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you know, Major League Baseball, the players went on strike and
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it took forever for us to get the fans back in the
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grandstands. The fans were so mad.
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They didn't, they didn't come to the ballpark.
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That's that's what I'm worried about, Charlie.
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I'm worried about our fans not forgiving the NASCAR executives
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because when you hear the executives go Richard Childress
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is a redneck, he needs to be taken Outback and flogged, which
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is which is unbelievable. I mean, me, I am a redneck and
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I'll just say I'll beat your ass.
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But flogged means tortured and and, you know, just beat the
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hell out of. I think of Jesus when I think of
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that, right? That's what that's what I think
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is the passion of the Christ. That's what I flogged means.
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Just obliterated, you know, physically.
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So when you see the president at that time, Steve Phelps was the
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president at that time and all. Let me tell you one thing.
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If anybody's ever learned anything out of this is that
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don't take no naked pictures of your wife because he's going to,
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they're going to come. They're going to find it.
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It you know, anything you use on this damn cell phone or this
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computer that we're doing this off of what you know, for all of
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us to think, man, we ain't nobody going to find this out it
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it all what do they say? It just lives online And and I
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want to say this yesterday during Denny Hamlin's, you know,
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he was on trial yesterday, Denny Hamlin, he was tutored because
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he kept saying documents don't lie.
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Documents don't lie, documents don't lie.
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So what has gotten NASCAR in trouble is people saying stuff,
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and it's printed. Yeah, and and that's where I do
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want to give NASCAR some slack. And also even the Denny, the
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Denny Hamlin, the owners of 2311 that called Denny Hamlin a
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child. We all talk differently in text.
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A lot of people talk behind people's back.
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So all I'm saying is if if you got into everybody's text and
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group chats, a lot of us would be in really bad shape.
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So I do. I do want to say that because.
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Families would be in bad. Shape if they got my group text
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from my college friends, we'd we'd all be done.
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So I do want to say like people do talk differently.
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I'm not saying it's right, but I think a lot of us let's let's
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also worry about our own backyards first because a lot of
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us would be guilty of that. Too.
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No, there's no doubt. And and and and with that,
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that's a perfect segue for me to say this.
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And I mean this from the bottom of my heart, this shop is all
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about NASCAR. Even though it is a dirt racing
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shop, 90% of this shop is all dirt racing.
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I'm a dirt racer through and through.
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But I'm going to move my head. This right here, Charlie, that's
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all NASCAR. Yes, Sir.
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And I love NASCAR and it hurts my heart to see this new regime.
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You know, I was ruled and I said this on a on a, on a, on that,
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that night that we, you had me do a special segment that night.
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I grew, I grew up with Bill Franz Junior.
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He he'd have a Bill Franz Junior, the president.
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He had a beer here and a cigarette here and he'd go,
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Wallace, you're in trouble, boy. And like, damn.
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Now these guys just talk behind your back.
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And I just want to make it clear that when I was in NASCAR, you
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knew where you stood. We had we had dictators.
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They they ruled man and we were fine with it.
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We were fine with it. It was great.
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We I love NASCAR. However, do do I want to see
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Michael Jordan and den Hamlin sue NASCAR?
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Absolutely not. I don't want to see this.
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It's messy. It's embarrassing.
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That's the word I hear from all my NASCAR friends.
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This is embarrassing. So.
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See, I actually don't see it like that.
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And and maybe I'm an optimist. I want to hear, but I.
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Also, you know, I I love NASCAR too now I've only really been
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following it really close every day for four years, but I
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covered a lot of NASCAR when I was working in Lansing, MI O six
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O 7. But I feel like I've covered so
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many strikes and lockouts. Good point.
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NFL, there was one about what I think it was about 10-12 years.
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Ago I remember that. Baseball had just just a year
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and a half ago coming off COVID, right, They had they had a
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lockout. The NHL has had two, I believe
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in the last 1520 years. And then of course, you brought
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up the the baseball 1. I think that was 80 or 81.
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But then of course the 94.1 is the one I remember as a 12 year
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old. So I just think this is NASCAR's
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first big serious labor issue. I just read a lot of people
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saying, oh, the sport will never survive and will we be at the
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Daytona 500? And I think, don't get me wrong,
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this is embarrassing, but like, I think we're still going to
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have NASCAR and I even think win, lose or draw, I think
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they're going to find a way to keep Michael Jordan in the
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sport. I I think some money's going to
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change hand, right? Like either NASCAR is going to
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keep the money they're making or the teams are going to get more.
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But I guess I don't have this fatalistic look like NASCAR will
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never be the same. They're at the end of the day,
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Kenny, you know this. They're just fighting over
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dollars. Yeah, right.
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Yeah. And and I would, I want to
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respond to something and I I see it on our timeline here.
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Everybody's right. Dictatorship does not work
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anymore, but tough love does. I feel like when I said the
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other night, I feel like NASCAR should probably sell.
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It's become bigger than a family run business.
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I agree with that. And let's be honest, NASCAR is a
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family run business. When and I say you look at
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Formula One, it's owned by Liberty Media Group, You look at
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IndyCar, Rodger, Penske sold 1/3 to Fox, you know my boss when I
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was doing TV air Shanks. I mean, so big racing
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organizations and I understand NASCAR is not like anything
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else. I get all that.
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However, you're right, it's not we can't do a dictatorship
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anymore. Those days are gone, but we
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can't do like we used to do. And and inevitably, I'm going to
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say one last thing. That's what got NASCAR in
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trouble. It's almost like they were
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trying to be nice. OK, let let us give your charter
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system. Let us give you something.
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Give them an inch. Give them an inch.
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So if NASCAR would have stayed a dictatorship, if they were to
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say nobody gets a charter, that's the way it is, none of
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this would have happened. Yeah, so, so NASCAR messed up by
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trying to come up in the new world and say, let's start a
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charter, you know, like the Saint Louis Cardinals, you know,
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Cincinnati Bengals in football and, and those owners own those.
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And in NASCAR, you might own a team, but you can immediately
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fall out. Now if they want to fall out,
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they can sell their charter and they have something.
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Yeah, and I, I don't want people to also think that I'm anti
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NASCAR. No, you've seen it all.
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You've seen it. All but what you said I I think
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two things can be true at the same time.
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You can give the France family all of the credit in the world
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for building an amazing. Amazing.
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Business and running it well for 75 years, whatever it is, you
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should give the France family all the credit in the world.
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So I'm saying that, but I'm also saying in 2025, should the
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greatest stock car series in in America and the world still be a
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family run business? The answer to that is probably
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no, while still giving the France family all the credit in
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the world for what they built. And I'm not saying you take
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their money. But again, is it a league type
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situation like the NFL where again owners have a have a piece
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of the pie and the France family has a piece of the pie or a
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media company like you said has a piece of the pie?
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I. I.
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Just we're going to see yeah, we're going to see I want to go
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to something else. I'm looking at our timeline.
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Somebody says 700 views only. You got to remember everybody,
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we just we just doing this and this will live what we're doing
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right now. This will be on Yeah by the.
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Way that's that's 820 people live watching right now at 2:00
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central time. That's really good, yeah.
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So somebody said somebody's trying to demean us.
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We're first of all, we're bad asses.
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We're awesome. And I mean, that's just the way
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it is. We're awesome.
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I can test this real. Quick, let's see how many people
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have watched. But let let me.
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Say this everybody, this will be this will be up here for the
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rest of its life. So it might be only 800 people
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watching right now. That's a lot.
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But yeah. And and so this will be viewed
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over and over and over. So don't try to come on us like
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we're not doing good enough. We're big time.
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That's right. And look. 2000 people, 2000
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people have been watching. We're only 60 minutes in.
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Don't listen to those people because 821 people watching live
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when when it's the work day and we just did this as a test.
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We had no lighting. This was more a test for
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tomorrow. So we had to tell people
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tomorrow we'll do a live show, a live coffee with Kenny, right,
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Kelly Shyrock at about what time?
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So we're going to here's. Here's what we'll do tomorrow.
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I'm thinking on the fly right now.
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Kelly Shyrock, nine time US MTS champion, he won the stock car
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championship this year. He's admired by everybody in the
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racing community. I told Kelly be here around 9:30
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so maybe we can get going 93010 o'clock it.
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It's kind of like, you know, it's like what time do you get
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up? And I don't want, I don't want
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the open house tomorrow to be work.
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I want people to come here when they feel good.
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But but we're going to go 9:00 to 1:00 tomorrow for the open
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house. We want where we want to go.
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One hour with Kelly. Sure.
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Yeah. And but I thought, let's end at
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1:00 because the races start at 3:00 at the Dome.
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And I was being respectful. I want people to get out of here
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at one, get on down to the Dome. And I want to thank you for
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doing this, Charlie, because I asked Charlie said, Charlie, I
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need help. Can we do a coffee with Kenny?
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And. And so you're making it work.
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And this is a test, and this is the way it's going to look
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tomorrow, except there'll be hundreds of people back here and
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we'll get somebody there. Look at David.
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Alvarez giving us 5 bucks. David, thank.
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You buddy. Hey, that's about what I just
17:47
got done paying for this at Mobile One.
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That's right. I paid like $4.00.
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You know, I got done eating lunch like 11:30 because I had a
17:53
lot to do and I went to Mobile One I and it's like $4.70.
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Love it. Awesome.
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Yeah, so. Today, Charlie, I have been
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following up the trial. The NASCAR trial is not as
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exciting today because they didn't mention.
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You well, they're they're. They're just drilling both
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sides. Jeffrey Kessler, who is Michael
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Jordan's attorney, they're drilling this Scott Prime.
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I keep wanting to think Prime Video or something.
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I don't know what I'm thinking. But they're just they're just
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trying to get him to say NASCAR is a monopoly.
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And now later this evening, NASCAR attorneys are going to
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keep him on and try to refute that.
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So it's really about one man today.
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And let's see what what is Scott Prime's role there?
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Let's Google this and I'm going to do it old man style.
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That's right. What is?
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Scott Prime's role at NASCAR. Wait, knows that I know Scott,
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Crow says. What's his last name?
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Scott what? Prime.
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Prime, OK, here we go AI, here he goes.
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Scott Prime's role at NASCAR is Executive Vice President and
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Chief Strategy Officer where he is responsible for long term
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planning for the organization. In this position he overseas
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strategic initiatives including work related to the charter
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system and agreements with tracks.
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So there you go. And so Michael Jordan's attorney
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is trying to get Scott Prime to admit that they deal in a
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monopolistic way. So they're just they're pounding
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this guy today. And it is exciting, but it's
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maybe not as exciting to explain to everybody.
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And look at this now. We're going to have a contest.
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See, the last guy gave us $4.99 and then DC Long gives us $5,
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says Herman. Don't, Don't let your meatloaf.
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OK? That's funny.
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So it it's sexual, so here but but, but here's what it's about.
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Valley Park of Missouri. Rusty used to say Herman, go
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over to Charlie's Charlie's Cafe.
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I'd go and his wife's name was Val Jean.
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Well, I would go over and I'd say, you know, 3 cheeseburgers,
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3 fries, 3 Cokes, cheeseburger for Rusty, cheeseburger for Paul
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Andrews and me. And, you know, remember, Paul
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Anders went on to be Alan Quickies, you know, championship
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winning crew chief. We're over here in Valley Park,
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MO, in Val Jean. I loved her.
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She was, she was rough around the edges.
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And she would say things like this.
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I'd get ready to leave and she'd go Herman, I'd say, yeah, Val
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Jean. She said don't let your
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meatloaf. And that's from a lady that's
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from old Val Jean Soap. See, I thought the joke.
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Was going to be Val Jean. There's a way you could make
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that a job. That's where I thought you were
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going. Yeah, but.
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But we we miss Charlie and Val Jean and but that is a very
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pivotal point in Rusty's career. That was on Saint Louis Ave. you
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know, and, and, you know, listen, 100 years ago, Valley
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Park was, you know, a lot of flats, but then it became very
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commercialized. Ashland Chemical Company and a
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lot of businesses. So Valley Park is a very strange
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town because you can have people living right here.
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And I mean literally right across the street is Ashland
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Chemical Company or Rossy Wallace Racing.
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And it was a wonderful little town.
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And that's the area we grew up in.
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We didn't grow up in there. That was where our race shops
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are. But yeah, shout out to Val Jean.
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She's part of my my childhood DC long.
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He says also Charlie Rock. You're awesome bro.
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Thanks fellas. American flag.
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And he is. Charlie is awesome and all that.
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Hey, how about your, how about your Buckeyes?
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They beat Michigan, Ohio guy. Hey, I'll tell you what.
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You know we're going to go. My brothers and I, we still
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might go to the Big 10 championship game in
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Indianapolis. We used to go every year, but
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then Michigan won like 4 years in a row.
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The tickets we used to just get in the building, we'd want to
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pay you know what, 8090 a 100 bucks, $450 right now is the
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cheapest ticket to get in the building and it's because
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Indiana's playing and it's in Indianapolis.
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But $452. I look today on game time.
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You you sponsor of ours, you said something.
22:26
That I want to share yeah, I, I want to share this with
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everybody. So you know, we're we're living
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right here in we're in Arnold, MO and we can go not ten miles
22:34
and we're in Illinois. You said something to me.
22:38
I said, boy, Charlie, you love Ohio and you said, but Herman,
22:42
like right down the road was the Michigan border from my house.
22:46
So I was, I was like 500 yards. I'm from Toledo, so the end of
22:50
my street, probably 500 yards was the Michigan line.
22:52
What was that like? It was cool, I mean.
22:55
Like you didn't look at it as anything different because like
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we had a team, a school called Bedford that was in our
23:02
conference in high school that we play.
23:04
So it was like 8 Ohio teams, one Michigan team.
23:07
The golf course that I'd always go to as a kid in the batting
23:10
cage was in Michigan. Like you would ride your bikes
23:12
into Michigan. So you really didn't think it
23:13
was that big of a deal? And, and what's funny is like
23:17
from here we go across the river in Illinois, you go up to
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Springfield, IL and maybe they start changing into Cubs fans,
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But between here and Springfield, IL, there's still
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Cardinal fans for sure. I, I think it works good.
23:33
I think we're ready for tomorrow.
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I said, well, I have my coffee mug right here.
23:36
And somebody said. Make sure you have your sticker.
23:37
They didn't like that you didn't have the Oh yeah on the hey on
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the. Cup Listen everybody, I want to
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thank you all for watching, but I am.
23:46
It is sad to say there is about 3 of me there.
23:49
There's coffee with Kenny and I do mess my hair up on purpose
23:53
for coffee with Kenny and here's why.
23:56
Because Donna Snake Predome Perdom set up, you know, one of
23:59
the like the third greatest drag racer of all time.
24:02
First is big Daddy Don Garlets and then, well, I would say, I
24:08
would say be between the snake and and John Force.
24:13
But Perdom goes, Herman, I say yes, snake.
24:17
He goes, man, I love it when you're on that damn on that
24:20
couch with glasses all messed up.
24:22
Your hair's all up there. I said you like it when my
24:25
hair's messed up. So sorry my hair is normal right
24:29
now, but we do you all like it so much.
24:34
So you you always comment that my hair is messed up and what
24:38
else? Oh and the coffee mug up here.
24:40
So I just, I just play to it. I just mess my hair up more and
24:44
hold my coffee mug up more than. Then there's Kenny conversation
24:50
where I'm very serious and that really messes people up.
24:52
Why is Wallace so serious? Well, he's so.
24:54
Serious. He's, he's being brought up in
24:56
court then. There's the guy in the shop.
24:58
So anyway, there is a Schrader said to me, Herman, you say
25:01
there's three of you. What are they?
25:02
I say Schrader. There is Kenny Wallace, like
25:06
like the guy this is this is most likely the real me right
25:09
here. That's right.
25:11
And then? I would say, you know, I'm
25:12
that's equal to the the husband, the the father, the.
25:18
Poppy, yeah. Yeah.
25:20
And thank you, David. Again though, and I think
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there's. The entertainer and then there's
25:23
the racer. When I go into the when I go
25:26
into the pits, that that's an issue.
25:28
I do have Charlie is it's my issue, though.
25:31
When I go into the pits, the people still want to go.
25:33
Hey Wallace, I'm like, but that's I'm racing.
25:38
That's for the show. OK.
25:40
So you're at work at that? Point Right.
25:42
You're locked in. Yeah, I can't I.
25:43
Mean I've won a lot of races. You don't win those races in
25:46
your race car going So when we when we go through the pit gate,
25:51
we're like this right here. And so that's kind of fun to
25:56
tell everybody that little story right there.
25:58
But you said to me, you said, Herman, coffee with Kenny is our
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bread and butter. It's our foundation.
26:08
I would have. Ever thought that's?
26:10
What, you know what I love about it, What I love about it is
26:12
because I compare, I compare the other Youtubers and people who
26:16
do NASCAR, and I just think it's funny sometimes.
26:18
And look, we got a nice setup, We'll get the light, we got the
26:21
mics. But I do think it's funny
26:22
sometimes that you'll get more views in your Christmas pyjamas
26:26
with the hair going nuts with the coffee cup, with no
26:30
microphone on the couch as some of the big studio shows and all
26:34
that. Oh my God, Charlie.
26:36
I love that. You have no idea how many times
26:39
I think about that. This thing is unbelievable, It
26:44
really is. I mean, really.
26:45
I'm not joking. This thing's unbelievable.
26:47
You know, one of our very first deals we ever did, I was down at
26:51
the Mexican border and I did everything like with this.
26:54
And when I, when you edit that up, I looked at it, I thought it
26:58
was one of those $100,000 cameras.
27:02
This thing is so amazing, but you got to use it purposely.
27:06
It's got to be good content. You just can't throw crap out
27:09
there. And you know, you were the one
27:12
that said to me when we were trying to figure out what we're
27:15
doing, you said, Herman, I think they just want to hear you talk
27:19
about the NASCAR controversy. And you were right.
27:23
Because I go down to the mobile one down here and gas up or
27:25
whatever it was and people would stop me.
27:28
Charlie, no different about Cardinals.
27:31
What, you know, what do we say around here?
27:33
What's wrong with the Cardinals? I mean not.
27:35
What's right with the Cardinals? It's not about who won the race.
27:38
It's about who wrecked and who fought and who screwed up.
27:41
Yeah, yeah. I mean.
27:42
I mean, they they hated Jimmy Johnson, they hate Denny Hamlin.
27:46
What what's the common theme here?
27:48
They don't like winners, they don't like people winning.
27:51
How are these or at? Least they like watching the
27:55
negative. I don't think people are as
27:57
negative, but they like watching the negative, you know what I'm
28:00
saying? Yeah.
28:01
What? What is that?
28:02
Why? I mean controversy.
28:04
Sells, but do you? Think it it it hits closer to
28:07
home like if you're struggling and and Carson Hosovar
28:11
struggling, do you like Carson now because he bought Also the
28:15
old Carson Hovar is an interesting study because he
28:19
wrecks everybody and I like Carson, but I think more people
28:24
like Carson Hosabar. Well, Denny Hanlon's just he's
28:27
super famous. He's through the moon.
28:30
They're also. Interesting.
28:31
It's not to me. Denny Hamlin is a great race car
28:33
driver. I want him to win the
28:35
championship. And I mean, look at what's going
28:38
on right now with the lawsuit. He is the most interesting man
28:41
in NASCAR and has been for 2-3 years.
28:44
Ever since, Kyle Busch unfortunately hasn't been
28:46
winning as much struggle. Sells, Yeah, good point.
28:49
That's. Who said that?
28:51
The fishy plumber said that good point fishing.
28:55
Struggle sells because people, you know, I, I make a little bit
28:59
of comedy out of this because I started winning dirt races.
29:03
And when I started winning dirt races a while back, people would
29:06
say the only reason you run in dirt races because you got all
29:10
that NASCAR money. And I, I laughed and then I
29:14
thought, you know what, I'm going to go with that.
29:16
That sounds pretty good. Play into it.
29:18
So. If you have a wonderful life,
29:21
they hate you. But if you.
29:24
Struggle, that's my man right if your.
29:27
Dad, if your dad was successful, yeah, they had money and helped
29:31
you and your career. And I get it a little bit.
29:34
But no, they want, they want the grinders.
29:36
I'm going to tell you what. I would not want to be Ty Gibbs.
29:39
I don't want to be Ty Dillon. They ain't got a shot in hell
29:42
because everybody hates them because their family got money.
29:45
But but you know what I said to you?
29:46
How about? How about this?
29:47
Though, just just to just to debate a little bit, I think Ty
29:50
Gibbs brings a lot of it on himself with his with his
29:54
attitude. Like Ryan Blaney, for example.
29:57
Nobody looks at Ryan Blaney as this silver spoon son of a
30:01
driver because he's just a great funny, down to earth guy.
30:05
Everybody loves him. Like that narrative that I feel
30:07
like follows a lot of sons of drivers for whatever reason.
30:10
Am I wrong? I feel like Ryan Blaney is not
30:12
brought up in that fashion. No.
30:13
And and you? Bring up a good point, Ty.
30:16
Ty is very nice to me and if I was to sit down with Ty, I would
30:21
put my arm around and go. Ty, look, I love you buddy, but
30:24
your little bougie you, you got the perfect tennis shoes on.
30:28
You got that college thing going on where everything you're
30:30
wearing is beautiful and perfect.
30:32
Grow a beard. Dress a little.
30:34
Bit like Blaney look like shit a little bit.
30:37
Yeah, you're right. You know, it's kind of like the
30:39
beautiful people. The beautiful people.
30:43
Yeah. I love it.
30:44
Are we good? We done?
30:45
Do you like hey? Are we OK guys?
30:47
Will this be good for coffee? We'll have a light 31 minutes.
30:51
Shout out to my son who's four and has been really well behaved
30:54
and hasn't really talked. Hi buddy, I love you.
30:56
You're awesome, you did. Great, buddy.
30:58
You'll get some snacks now. Brody, you're going to.
30:59
Have this place cleaned up for tomorrow.
31:02
He worked. That's my son and all that is a
31:04
bad son of a bitch. Wave wave Brody, there he is.
31:08
Brody can do anything. People are admire him.
31:12
They're we're an all he can fabricate anything.
31:15
He started shop kennywallace.com.
31:18
Now my son's coming. Over.
31:19
Look at this. I moved my head so we had the
31:21
Jags. Look at that.
31:22
You can see the Jags, the whole video.
31:24
All right, my son's going nuts now.
31:25
Do you want to say hi real quick?
31:26
Here we go. Four years.
31:28
Old. He's on.
31:29
This is little Charlie. All right, you've been good.
31:31
You've been good. All right, we'll shut her down.
31:34
Thanks for watching everybody. Tomorrow.
31:36
What 9:30-ish? I would, I would.
31:41
Guess, I would guess that you're going to have this right here
31:44
and I would think coffee with Kitty 9:30-ish.
31:46
OK, All right. Love you.
31:48
All thanks for watching. We'll see you and stream and
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stream.