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Sneak Peek into freaky world of pedo-perv billionaire Jeff Epstein. ("Epstein: Dead Men Tell No Tales" PART 2) · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, a multi multi millionaire with connections as high
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Speaker 1: up as Bill and Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, and a
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Speaker 1: frequent visitor with Prince Andrew. It ain't over yet. When
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Speaker 1: he was quote in jail down in Florida, he would
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Speaker 1: get day passes and be out of the jail twelve
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Speaker 1: seventeen hours, and he would have a stream of young
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Speaker 1: girls coming in and out of his quote office. And then, amazingly,
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Speaker 1: now that we're investigating it, that visitor's log has disappeared.
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Speaker 1: Funny how that works, right, But there's really no nice
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Speaker 1: way to say to describe the acts attributed to Epstein.
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Speaker 1: Rhyme stories with Nancy Grace and had arranged it so
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Speaker 1: that he got work release, which meant that he had
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Speaker 1: a valet, a driver that he hired pick him up
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Speaker 1: at the jail every day and essentially drive him to
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Speaker 1: an office. The former US Attorney who approved the deal,
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Speaker 1: Alexander Acosta, is now President Trump's Secretary of Labor and
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Speaker 1: a possible pick for Attorney General. A Labor Department spokesperson
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Speaker 1: tells NBC News that the US Attorney's office defended the
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Speaker 1: deal across three administrations, and pointed out that Secretary Acosta
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Speaker 1: was asked about the plea deal during his confirmation hearing
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Speaker 1: last year. Professionals within a prosecutor's office decide that a
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Speaker 1: plea that guarantees that someone goes to jail, that guarantees
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Speaker 1: that someone registered generally, and that guarantees other outcomes is
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Speaker 1: a good The former Palm Beach police chief disagrees. I
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Speaker 1: think almost the entire system failed them. It ain't over yet,
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Speaker 1: you know, we were just listening to our friend at NBC,
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Speaker 1: Stephanie Goss, describing Palm Beach Epstein. His name will now
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Speaker 1: live in infamy, Jeffrey Epstein. But right now I've got
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Speaker 1: it here in my hand, a book by the renowned
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Speaker 1: Dylan Howard. You may know him from the National Inquirer.
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Speaker 1: And if you don't read it or never have, you've
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Speaker 1: probably wanted to, because you can't check out at any
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Speaker 1: grocery without seeing the headlines that scream out at you
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Speaker 1: and say everything you're thinking on the inside. Also with
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Speaker 1: Melissa Cronin and James Robertson, let me tell you who
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Speaker 1: they are. James Robertson, investigative journalist, editor in chief US
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Speaker 1: Weekly who broke the story of Jeffrey Epstein's first prison's
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Speaker 1: suicide attempt and Melissa Cronin, investigative journalist and author, Dylan,
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Speaker 1: who in their right mind, and this goes all the
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Speaker 1: way up, you know, to Acosta, would give a child
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Speaker 1: predator a sweet deal where they could go in and
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Speaker 1: out of the jail. I'm talking about Epstein to their
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Speaker 1: Quote office every day with a chauffeur, stay behind closed
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Speaker 1: doors for hours on end. I'm talking seven eight, nine,
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Speaker 1: ten hours a day out of the jail on a
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Speaker 1: felony conviction, and young girls being trooped in and out
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Speaker 1: and in and out of his Quote offices. Whoever would
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Speaker 1: allow that? I mean, how do I know they didn't
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Speaker 1: seize DVDs at that home, at that mansion or where
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Speaker 1: the DVD's already gone because Epstein had been tipped off.
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Speaker 1: We know that he was warned before he remember he
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Speaker 1: left the country and he came back and was arrested.
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Speaker 1: He knew he was going to be arrested. He knew
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Speaker 1: that full well. Of course, I think I'm dummying down
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Speaker 1: this whole scene area, But think about it, Dylan, You've
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Speaker 1: already got Maxwell, no, yes, Robert Maxwell dead. You have
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Speaker 1: Epstein dead, and now you're telling me that. I believe
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Speaker 1: you said a former Marine and Palm Beach County Deputy Sheriff,
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Speaker 1: John Mark Dugan, that's correct, is now in hiding. I
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Speaker 1: guess he is. He's in Russia. He's in Russia and
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Speaker 1: has been given a silence by Vladimir Putin. And Jelene
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Speaker 1: Maxwell is also in hiding. How seriously, James Robertson, do
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Speaker 1: you believe our government is taking your theory that you
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Speaker 1: espouse in the new book Dead Men Tell No tells Them?
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, guys, I've read it and at
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Speaker 1: first I thought, what is Dylan how we're talking about?
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Speaker 1: After I read it, it's very very disturbing, James, What
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Speaker 1: do you believe authorities are making of your claims? Now,
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Speaker 1: all of our research and reporting is supported by what
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Speaker 1: exclusive interviews, documents and such. But we're also for the
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Speaker 1: last three years we have been fighting the FBI in
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Speaker 1: court to release their Jeffrey Epstein files, and this lawsuit
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Speaker 1: may be the best hope for the public to find
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Speaker 1: out what actually happened. We're expecting in the next couple
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Speaker 1: of months some progress at least to try and get
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Speaker 1: more insight into these files. But if there's anyone who's
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Speaker 1: going to crack this case open and finally give closure
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Speaker 1: to the victims and the people of America, it will
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Speaker 1: be us, you know, Melissa Crownin, investigator, journalist, and author.
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Speaker 1: That is a very sad comment on our justice system
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Speaker 1: and having prosecuted so many years. It's a real kick
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Speaker 1: in the teeth when I feel our justice system has
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Speaker 1: failed and covered up for someone powerful and privileged like
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Speaker 1: Epstein and all the other men that were trooping through
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Speaker 1: his correct staying corrected by James Robertson. I think now
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Speaker 1: five luxury homes. Why. I'm really surprised, Virginia, the victim
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Speaker 1: that has spoken out is still alive. I really am, Melissa.
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Speaker 1: It's true, and like you said, there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: people that aren't. It's not just the big names like Epstein,
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Speaker 1: like Robert Maximam that were silenced. We actually found other
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Speaker 1: people very closely connected to the case who had died
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Speaker 1: under mysterious circumstances. Detective Joseph er Carey, who was the
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Speaker 1: Palm Beach detective that spearheaded the first investigation in Florida.
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Speaker 1: He died under mysterious circumstances and within about six months
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Speaker 1: after that, another attorney who had represented one of the
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Speaker 1: victims died under similar circumstances. There is a true what
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Speaker 1: were the circumstances? I'm curious, Melissa when you say mysterious,
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Speaker 1: how did they die there? His wife said it was cancer,
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Speaker 1: fast acting cancer, with no signs before that that would happen.
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Speaker 1: He was a very healthy set man. He was young,
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Speaker 1: I believe in its early sixty years. And you know,
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Speaker 1: it might sound far fetched, but the kinds of poisoning
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Speaker 1: that we see from the KGB and metal poisoning, they
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Speaker 1: have similar symptoms and can also lead to that type
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Speaker 1: of cancer. Dylan Howard, people connected to this case or
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Speaker 1: dropping like flies, Well, listen. The FBI has described this
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Speaker 1: as a criminal enterprise, their words, not mine. We have
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Speaker 1: established the business and intelligence ties to Jeffrey Epstein involving
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Speaker 1: a number of countries. It would behoove the FBI today
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Speaker 1: to release its complete file instead of fighting us in
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Speaker 1: a court of law for the documents to be released
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Speaker 1: on the freedom of information. There is more to this
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Speaker 1: story than just sexual abuse and exploitation of minors, and
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Speaker 1: the FBI and the Department of Justice need to tell
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Speaker 1: the world what they know Them Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Maria Farmer was a promising young artist when she says
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Speaker 1: she met Epstein and Maxwell at an art show in
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Speaker 1: New York City in nineteen ninety five. Epstein told her
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Speaker 1: the whole house was wired with pinhole cameras and took
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Speaker 1: her into the media room where they were monitored. I
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Speaker 1: looked on the cameras and I saw toilet, toilet bed, bed,
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Speaker 1: toilet bed. I am never going to use the restroom here,
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Speaker 1: and I'm never going to sleep here. Was there video tap? Oh?
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Speaker 1: It was all video all the time. Yeah. And I
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Speaker 1: asked him one time, what do you do with this?
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Speaker 1: And he said, I keep keep everything in my safe
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Speaker 1: You are listening to our friends at CBS this morning now.
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Speaker 1: According to this brand new book, dead Men Tell No
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Speaker 1: Tels by Dylan Howard, Melissa Cron and James Robertson Dugan
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Speaker 1: and he was away a sheriff and Palm Beach States,
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Speaker 1: they weren't taped so much as DVDs. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if these were footages or not, but every bedroom in
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Speaker 1: Epstein's houses had multiple cameras. He used to keep records
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Speaker 1: of everybody. He stored everything so Palm Beach PD. They
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Speaker 1: knew that there were thousands and thousands of these DVDs,
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Speaker 1: except when they went to go search for them, they
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Speaker 1: were gone. It's not really a question of who would
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Speaker 1: have access. The question is who had knowledge the search
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Speaker 1: was coming. He goes on to say, do I think
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Speaker 1: Epstein was put up to getting wealthy people to sleep
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Speaker 1: with underaged women to be blackmailed. I absolutely do be
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Speaker 1: blackmailed by Western intelligence agencies. He goes on to say
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Speaker 1: he was able to leave jail basically anytime he wanted.
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Speaker 1: This is unheard of, but he was able to leave
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Speaker 1: jail as long as he had two deputies go with
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Speaker 1: him on overtime. They were paid overtime. Overtime detail on
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Speaker 1: Palm Beach County sheriffs is by contract selected out of
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Speaker 1: a random pool. But this was different. These deputies that
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Speaker 1: would go with Epstein were hand picked, and there were
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Speaker 1: guys specifically who would look at the other way while
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Speaker 1: he Epstein will bring underage girls into his office and
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Speaker 1: his home. This is very, very far reaching from what
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Speaker 1: you're saying. James Robertson, Yes, I mean Mark himself was
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Speaker 1: reportedly a person of interest for m I six, who
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Speaker 1: are interested in talking with him about what he knows
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Speaker 1: about Prince Andrew. We were the first people to talk
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Speaker 1: with mister Dugan who gave me that explosive interview from
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Speaker 1: a backseat of a taxi driving around Moscow. He's scared
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Speaker 1: for his life when he fled for asylum. He left
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Speaker 1: behind a wife, he left behind children who he hasn't
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Speaker 1: seen for now three years now. I asked him if
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Speaker 1: he would do the same ago, Just credit him if
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Speaker 1: you like. But if someone was willing to make that
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Speaker 1: sacrifice in an effort to try and find the truth,
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Speaker 1: it is worth considering that he may be credible. And
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Speaker 1: for any man who can walk away from their family
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Speaker 1: to try and seek justice is a noble and powerful thing. No,
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Speaker 1: Dylan Howard, You and I've taught many many times over
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Speaker 1: the years, and I've always been a proponent of a
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Speaker 1: very start disbelief in conspiracy theories. Maybe one reason I
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Speaker 1: don't think people are generally can keep their yapp shut
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Speaker 1: to hold on to conspiracy. Just let me dumbing it down.
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Speaker 1: Like OJ Simpson, there was a big conspiracy theory that
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Speaker 1: the LA police framed him, right, don't you know every
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Speaker 1: single one of them if they had would be writing
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Speaker 1: a book and making a million dollars right now, come on, please, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that didn't happen. And also, I don't think people putting
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Speaker 1: that much thought into their actions. So I'm not one
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Speaker 1: for conspiracy theories at all. But in this case, the
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Speaker 1: theories you are espousing are backed up with intense, intense research. Dylan,
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Speaker 1: let me ask you this, what do you think we've
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Speaker 1: seen Prince Andrew in the wake of these developments suddenly
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Speaker 1: quote retire from royal duties. What do you make of that?
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Speaker 1: Dylan Well, your producer at the start before we were
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Speaker 1: recording this podcast, said, do you think Dylan will ever
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Speaker 1: know the full truth about the Jeffrey Epstein case. I think,
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Speaker 1: because of the deep intelligence connections, we never will, and
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Speaker 1: the cover up will continue. You're right, conspiracy theories are
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Speaker 1: salacious and seductive, but in this particular instance, I can
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Speaker 1: say that we meticulously researched all of the angles that
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Speaker 1: we printed, and we didn't print some because they were
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Speaker 1: seemingly far fetched. But here's the great injustice of the
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein story. If he was an international spy, we
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Speaker 1: already know he was a predatory monster. If he was
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Speaker 1: an international spy. He was able to commit his crimes
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Speaker 1: unchecked for so long because of that sweetheart deal, and
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Speaker 1: beyond the pressing questions now in his life after death,
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Speaker 1: we have to ask ourselves this one question, could he
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Speaker 1: have been stopped? And the simple answer, and the tragic
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Speaker 1: answer to that is yet. Let me ask you this.
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Speaker 1: Melissa Cronin, investigative journalist and author of a brand new book,
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Speaker 1: Dead Men, Tell No Tells Maxwell Jeelan Maxwell has not
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Speaker 1: been brought to justice. I've screamed it from the mountaintops.
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Speaker 1: If you believe now speaking out Roberts Jeffrey, the alleged
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Speaker 1: victim of Jeffrey Epstein who was forced to have sex
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Speaker 1: with him when she was still a minor, and she
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Speaker 1: says there are many others as well. She says, if
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Speaker 1: she's to believed to be believed that Maxwell, basically Epstein's
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Speaker 1: glamor pimp, would go out and recruit girls for Epstein,
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Speaker 1: that she would tell them how to quote please Epstein
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Speaker 1: and others in bed, including Andrew. Why hasn't she been
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Speaker 1: brought in? Where is she? If this is part of
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Speaker 1: some type of a federal investigation, are they harboring her
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Speaker 1: somewhere Melissa. Yeah. I mean, I don't know that the
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Speaker 1: United States is even looking for her that hard. Like
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Speaker 1: I said, sources close to the family have told us
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Speaker 1: that she is under protection by the British government who
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Speaker 1: doesn't want her to still Prince Andrew's secrets. But she
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Speaker 1: is definitely the one, if anyone, that can shed more
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Speaker 1: light on this. She wasn't just the one that recruits
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Speaker 1: the robberts Jeffrey and other women who were abused by
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. We actually found documents that have been seized
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Speaker 1: from Jeffrey Epstein's Palm Beach home that said she was
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Speaker 1: training these women and how to service him. She was
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Speaker 1: training these women, then young girls, in sexual acts that
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Speaker 1: were far beyond anything that they ever was conceived of.
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Speaker 1: At the age of fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, she was training
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Speaker 1: them to do these things to please him and to
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Speaker 1: please the other men in his orbit. So Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 1: is dead and he's been silenced, but she's still out
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Speaker 1: there and we're determined to find her. James Robertson, editor
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Speaker 1: in chief US Weekly. Do you believe Epstein committed suicide?
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Speaker 1: I don't believe that. There isn't a more dark and
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Speaker 1: sinister story behind what really happened that night. I think
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Speaker 1: the most most telling angle is that his own family
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Speaker 1: are concerned that the autopsy was not done properly and
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Speaker 1: they're demanding a more thorough investigation into what happened. And
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Speaker 1: the family believed that he was murdered. Now, does this
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Speaker 1: mean that someone entered his cell and exited after killing him?
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Speaker 1: Was he pressured by somebody on the inside? That was
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Speaker 1: something I asked Mark Dugan, the former Palm Beach County
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Speaker 1: sheriff who has political asylum now in Russia. I asked
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Speaker 1: his opinion on this also as a man who works
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Speaker 1: for law enforcement. He said, the easiest place to kill
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Speaker 1: somebody is in prison, not on the street, but in jail,
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Speaker 1: and he believes that the guards can always look the
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Speaker 1: other way. Now that the two guards who were working
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Speaker 1: that night are currently facing charges of misconduct to some
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Speaker 1: degree which is ongoing, and he does believe that it
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be uncommon for that to have happened, and that
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Speaker 1: there would be a more dark and sinister reason behind
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey's death. With me, Dylan Harrod, Melisser Cronin, and James
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Speaker 1: Robertson in their brand new book Dead Men Tell No Tells,
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Speaker 1: Dylan Howard, have you tried to take your information to authorities,
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Speaker 1: to law enforcements. Well, a lot of the information that
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Speaker 1: we have is what has been obtained or given to
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Speaker 1: us by law enforcement. What we've established since that is
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Speaker 1: this deep connection, this mysterious jig saw that every day
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Speaker 1: new pieces of the puzzle coming to Plank was released.
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Speaker 1: I conversed with one of Robert Maxwell's former friends, an
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Speaker 1: eighty year old man who now lives in California, who
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Speaker 1: shared new light on this. I'm calling for a complete
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Speaker 1: and thorough disclosure of what the FBI has. They need
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Speaker 1: to release it to the public. They need to be candid.
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Speaker 1: And if there is deep intelligence connections at the root
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Speaker 1: of this story, it makes for the greatest espionage tale
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Speaker 1: in the history of the world. And we have a
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Speaker 1: right to know. And I'm not certainly one that is
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Speaker 1: going to give up in pursute of trying to find
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Speaker 1: the answers to so many unanswered questions today crime stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, So, why wouldn't you announce this break
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Speaker 1: up when you got back. Why wouldn't you publicly explain
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Speaker 1: what you've done? Did you worry that he had something
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Speaker 1: that could compromise you. Do you regret that trip? Yes?
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Speaker 1: Do you regret the whole friendship with Epstein? Now? Are
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Speaker 1: still not And the reason being is that the people
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Speaker 1: that I met and the opportunities that I was given
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Speaker 1: to learn, either by him or because of him, we're
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Speaker 1: actually very useful. Okay, you're hearing Prince Andrew giving a
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Speaker 1: voluntary interview to our friend at BBC, Emily Maitlis. To
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Speaker 1: James Robertson, investigative journalist, editor in chief US Weekly, James,
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Speaker 1: you have spoken at length with former deputy sheriff out
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Speaker 1: of Florida now in Russia. Tell me you're serious with
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Speaker 1: him and what you think he knows about Epstein? So sorry,
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Speaker 1: Just to class fight was that he was named as
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Speaker 1: someone who was a person of interest by the m
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Speaker 1: I six. I managed to reach him first of all
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Speaker 1: via email and Facebook and then subsequently that by telephone,
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Speaker 1: and he would only talk to me while traveling the
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Speaker 1: back of a taxi. He changed cars two or three times,
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Speaker 1: and it had to verify myself to him from America
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Speaker 1: where I was talking to him, as he was concerned
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Speaker 1: that I may have had more of a reason than
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Speaker 1: the honest reporting that we were doing to find him,
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Speaker 1: and his story was, like you say, it almost feels
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Speaker 1: like a spy novel. But this was a man who
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Speaker 1: sacrificed his own family to tell his side of the
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Speaker 1: story and claims to maintain all of these files and
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Speaker 1: documents and DVDs that were seized by the Palm Beach
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Speaker 1: during the aid on that Dean's house, and he claims
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Speaker 1: that he's maintaining the possession of this to protect his family.
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Speaker 1: He's scared for his life, He's scared for the life
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Speaker 1: of his children and his Why I'm very curious as
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Speaker 1: to why no one seems interested enough to somehow broker
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Speaker 1: a deal with him and look at the DVDs and
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Speaker 1: see what evidence they may or may not hold. Melissa Coronan,
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Speaker 1: what concerns me, among so many different things, not only
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Speaker 1: how many underage sex abuse victims there are, what powerful
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Speaker 1: and or wealthy individuals were in Epstein's orbit, what he
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Speaker 1: had on them, how were they blackmailed, what did they
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Speaker 1: do in exchange, what was the favor they gave in
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Speaker 1: exchange for those DVDs not being made public? But who
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Speaker 1: within a law enforcement was helping Epstein Melissa, what do
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Speaker 1: you think of those questions? There are the questions that
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Speaker 1: need could be answered, and there's still so much more
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Speaker 1: information about how they might have helped him cover up
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Speaker 1: his trail along the way. One of the things that
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Speaker 1: we found that was really just jaw dropping related to
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Speaker 1: that sweetheart deal that you mentioned that he had gotten
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Speaker 1: in Florida. Now, alex Acosta, who later became Trump's Labor secretary,
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Speaker 1: was the one who kind of spearheaded this deal that
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Speaker 1: allowed Epstein to prison, have his own office all of
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Speaker 1: these things. We actually found a letter from Acosta's office
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Speaker 1: to Epstein's attorneys prior to that sweetheart deal that offered
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Speaker 1: him an even sweeter sweetheart deal. Alex Acosta's office had
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Speaker 1: offered Epstein the possibility of not serving any prison time,
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Speaker 1: of doing solely probation, and now Epstein rejected it at
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Speaker 1: the time because he still believed that he could get
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Speaker 1: away with it. But finding that document contradicted everything that
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Speaker 1: alex Acosta has been saying to the media about this deal.
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Speaker 1: He claimed that he allowed Epstein to get the sweetheart
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Speaker 1: deal because all he was concerned about was having him
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Speaker 1: serve some prison time. This document proves that that's a
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Speaker 1: lie because initially his office offered him a deal with
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Speaker 1: no prison time whatsoever. That's just one example of how
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Speaker 1: deep this corruption and cover up goes. People are lying
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Speaker 1: bald faced to the media, to the public, and it's
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Speaker 1: going to take continue digging on the part of people
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Speaker 1: like us to expose this conspiracy. Another thing as a
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Speaker 1: former prosecutor, when you've got a victim to tell her
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Speaker 1: story and you've got corroboration. I don't mean DNA or
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Speaker 1: a blue dress with semen on it, but witnesses placing
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Speaker 1: them together, phone logs, cell phone triangulation, corrob writing her story.
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Speaker 1: Why would you just settle for quote, some jail time.
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Speaker 1: Oh oh no, no, no, no, A sex predator should
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Speaker 1: get the maximum. Listen. Then underage girls say they were
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Speaker 1: lured by the cash. My mother was on drugs at
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Speaker 1: the time and she could have provide for me, and
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Speaker 1: I was pretty much homeless. Former Palm Beach Police Chief
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Speaker 1: Michael Riders says many of the girls didn't know each
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Speaker 1: other but had the same story. We believe that this
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Speaker 1: would end up in a prosecution that would incarcerate mister
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Speaker 1: Epstein for the remainder of his life. Federal prosecutors even
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Speaker 1: had a fifty three page indictment ready to go, according
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Speaker 1: to a court filing. But Epstein, a hedge fund manager
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Speaker 1: who famously piled around with Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, and
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Speaker 1: Prince Andrew, never faced those serious charges. Instead, a plea
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Speaker 1: deal was struck. He pleaded guilty to two counts related
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Speaker 1: to solicitation of prostitution and only served thirteen months in
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Speaker 1: a county jail. You were just hearing our friend at NBC.
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Speaker 1: That was Stephanie Gosk reporting. So why would Acosta or
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Speaker 1: any honest prosecutors settle for quote, sub jail time, Because
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Speaker 1: that's not right. I've just got so many questions. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to this. The two thousand and eight agreement
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Speaker 1: protects Epstein and anyone who worked with him from federal charges.
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Speaker 1: He is a registered sex offender, but can travel freely
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Speaker 1: to homes in New York, Florida, and the Caribbean. Alleged
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Speaker 1: victims are now fighting to get Epstein's deal thrown out.
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Speaker 1: Emboldened by the Me too movement, they want their stories heard.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. The very rich and powerful
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Speaker 1: are part of this story, including a former President Bill Clinton.
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Speaker 1: What is mister Epstein's connection to former President Bill Clinton,
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Speaker 1: and how well, given that it's in Palm Beach, does
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Speaker 1: he know the current president Donald Trump. So I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: want to get too far out of my repertorial abilities here.
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Speaker 1: This is not a story I've followed closely. They are
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Speaker 1: associated by name, and I believe they've traveled together, Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein and former President Bill Clinton. I have no clue
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Speaker 1: whatsoever how well Jeffrey Epstein knew or didn't know Donald Trump,
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Speaker 1: either before he was president or as president. I do know,
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Speaker 1: in general, and I mean in a very general sense,
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Speaker 1: having been down to Palm Beach a lot in and
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Speaker 1: around the Trump story, both campaign and presidency, that a
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Speaker 1: lot of people who are well healed and wealthy tend
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Speaker 1: to know one another, bump into each other at the
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Speaker 1: same places. That's a general impression. You are listening to
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Speaker 1: our friends at CBS to you, Dylan Howard, do you
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Speaker 1: believe there is proof that Clinton's relationship with Epstein was
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Speaker 1: much more extensive than has been admitted. Absolutely, there is
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Speaker 1: no doubt about that. Bill Clinton has been evasive about
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Speaker 1: how many times he interacted with Jeffrey Epstein and has
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Speaker 1: seemingly been caught in a series of lies. The purpose
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Speaker 1: and motive behind that perhaps to diminish his involvement, or
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Speaker 1: his connection to Epstein, or perhaps something more sinister. He's
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Speaker 1: denied any interaction with young girls. In fact, I suppose
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Speaker 1: up to a sauce the other day who said that
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Speaker 1: he simply just uh that that wasn't his style. He
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Speaker 1: wasn't into that young looking women. So one has to question,
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Speaker 1: whoa whoa wait wait, did you just is this Dylan
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Speaker 1: Howard I'm talking to right now? Am I gunn defending
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Speaker 1: the PLS not interested in younger looking women? Did you
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Speaker 1: actually just say that I would suggest underage women was
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Speaker 1: the point that my fast, Well, all right, that's a
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Speaker 1: whole nother can of worms. Okay, I hear you. But certainly,
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Speaker 1: and it's not just it's just not him. Do you
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Speaker 1: claim also that Trump's relationship with Epstein was more extensive
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Speaker 1: than has been admitted. Absolutely so. President Trump actually purchased
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Speaker 1: a yacht that he named after Avanka in the nineteen eighties.
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Speaker 1: He admitted this to David Lederman in an interview, and
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Speaker 1: that yacht was previously owned by international arms dealer Adnan Kashogi.
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Speaker 1: Adnan Kashogi was a tour rubbing shoulders much much earlier
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Speaker 1: than the days of Marilago and Palm Beach County. So
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Speaker 1: President Trump has also not been forthcoming with the true
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Speaker 1: extent of his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein. Now this is
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Speaker 1: not to say, Nan, well, did you ever think it?
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Speaker 1: May not be nefarious on either Clinton or Trumps behalf
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Speaker 1: And I'm certainly not in the business, as you well know,
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Speaker 1: of defending politicians, but they're probably distancing themselves in any
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Speaker 1: way they can from the whole stinking mass of Epstein.
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Speaker 1: And think about it this way too, though, Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 1: was somewhat of a recluse who socialized behind closed doors,
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Speaker 1: rarely socialized in public. But his black book was a
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Speaker 1: list of influential individuals, and it might not be a
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Speaker 1: classic honey trap that he was orchestrating, but the recording
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Speaker 1: of conversations with high net wealth individuals and politicians from
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Speaker 1: around the world, that those discussions themselves could be compromising
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Speaker 1: information used for the benefit of intelligence. James Armison, what
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Speaker 1: can you tell me about the interview you guys did
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Speaker 1: with Epstein's long time So the chauffeur was a long
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Speaker 1: time source of mine who had struggled with what he
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Speaker 1: witnessed as mister Epstein's chauffeur, and he provided me a
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Speaker 1: dossier of credit card receipt that also contained names of
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Speaker 1: new women, addresses and hideaways that we weren't aware of
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Speaker 1: prior to that. That is part of the book Dead
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Speaker 1: Mental Hotels. And what he told me was it became
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Speaker 1: a joke that they would call him the pedophile, and
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Speaker 1: they would talk about how depraved he was, but they
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Speaker 1: didn't quite know exactly the true extent because they were
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Speaker 1: always looking the other way. He always kind of making
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Speaker 1: sure that they would wait outside the buildings and never
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Speaker 1: came in. He was always at the bottom of the runway,
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Speaker 1: so he could never see the faces of the people
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Speaker 1: who were getting in the car. He did see one
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Speaker 1: woman who he thought was young enough to be Epstein's niece.
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Speaker 1: Now we now know that that was probably a victim
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Speaker 1: of mister Epstein's. In the research and reporting that we
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Speaker 1: did from the materials that the chauffeur provided us, we
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Speaker 1: found these new victims, new names, and as we saw
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Speaker 1: that how their lives had become since those incidents, it
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Speaker 1: was haunting. There were so many cases of drug abuse,
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Speaker 1: prostitution rests, and the damage that Epstein did not just
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Speaker 1: during the abuse of while he was using these women
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Speaker 1: as his playthings, but after the fact, the decades and
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Speaker 1: years of personal pain that they endured because of that
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Speaker 1: was really incredibly disturbing. Jolan, what can you tell me
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Speaker 1: speaking of interviews, you guys actually interviewed Epstein's jail mate
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Speaker 1: who witnessed his for a suicide attempt. What did you learn, Dylan.
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Speaker 1: We learned that Epstein had been in a despondent mood,
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Speaker 1: which does give credence to the thought that he may
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Speaker 1: have actually tried to commit suicide and ultimately was successful
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Speaker 1: in pursuit of that. But he says that Epstein, in
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Speaker 1: the time when he committed what attempted to commit suicide,
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Speaker 1: had been eating off the floor of the jail. He
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Speaker 1: was not interacting with others, and in fact, when he
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Speaker 1: was discovered by correctional officers, they had zero sympathy for him,
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Speaker 1: and they dropped him on the concrete and his head
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Speaker 1: hit the concrete so hard that the stud could be
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Speaker 1: heard throughout the Metropolitan Correction Center here in Manhattan. So
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Speaker 1: you know, there are varying inconsistent stories here, victim's rights
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Speaker 1: advocates all say, from Gloria Alread to Spencer Couven, another lawyer,
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Speaker 1: and Lisa Bloom, that they're not prepared to rule out
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Speaker 1: the possibility of murder in the instance of Jeffrey's death.
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Speaker 1: Others suggest he was so despondent that he was ready
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Speaker 1: to commit suicide because he knew there was no light
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Speaker 1: at the end of the tunnel, and that that's why
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Speaker 1: he prepared a will in the two days before his
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Speaker 1: death that bequeathed all his money and his estate to
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Speaker 1: his brother. In the totality of these many more un
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Speaker 1: answered questions in Shore, the book does shed some phenomenal
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Speaker 1: and at times riveting details about the inner workings of
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Speaker 1: his operation. But I still am left with this lingering
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Speaker 1: failing that we don't know at all, and we must
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Speaker 1: know it all. Take a listen to this, our friends
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Speaker 1: at CBS. Apstein was involved with at least forty underage girls,
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Speaker 1: some of whom he had sex with, according to court
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Speaker 1: filings obtained by NBC News. Several of his accusers speaking
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Speaker 1: out for the first time to the Miami Herald, I
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Speaker 1: was sixteen, I was sixteen. I started going to him
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Speaker 1: when I was like fourteen, fifteen, fourteen, turning fifteen. A
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Speaker 1: report from the Palm Beach Police Department alleges the girls
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Speaker 1: were promised money in exchange for massages, and that a
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Speaker 1: female who recruited young teens for the tycoon allegedly told
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Speaker 1: one victim, the more you do, the more you get paid.
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Speaker 1: He just laid down in his towel on his stomach
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Speaker 1: and he was just talking to people on the phone.
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Speaker 1: When he flipped flipped over. That's when he said, Okay,
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Speaker 1: you can go ahead and take off your shirt and pants.
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Speaker 1: The accounts include accusations from indecent exposure to inappropriate touching
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Speaker 1: to rape. The book is Dead Men Tell No Tells.
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Speaker 1: You can get it on Amazon and with me Dylan Howard,
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Speaker 1: Melissa Cronin, James Robertson, who literally wrote the book. And
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Speaker 1: I can guarantee this it ain't over yet. It's a
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Speaker 1: comment on our justice system when you three must be
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Speaker 1: in together to seek the truth instead of law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: I've got a feeling your next will be coming out
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Speaker 1: a very very soon. Dylan, Melissa, James. Thank you. Please.
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Speaker 1: If you want to know more, go to Amazon read
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Speaker 1: Dead Men Tell no tells Yourself Nancy Gray's crime story,
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,