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2 Year Anniversary Special | The Christian Reeve Podcast #164 · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to the Christian Reef podcast.
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  This is the two-year anniversary of the show.
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  Wow. That feels good to say that.
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  Yeah I mean it's a two-year anniversary episode it's just
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  me. So if you were here for a guest
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  sorry to disappoint but yeah. No I just you know it's been a
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  while since I did one of these episodes and I like to try, I
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  guess to keep them for special occasions or if I've got a
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  really clear kind of Topic in mind, if I say this, same Spiel
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  every time. Discussion episode.
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  Hopefully, one day I'll do more, you know, that, that would be
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  excellent. But for now, let's just live in
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  this moment. This is the two-year anniversary
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  of the show. I'm recording this early ahead
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  of time. It's not actually the day of at
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  least, it isn't for me, it will be for you, but it won't be for
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  me, and sorry. Sorry to break the illusion
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  there. Sometimes you have to record
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  these things ahead of time. I did actually want to do it on
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  the day, but I actually find myself way too busy right now,
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  to be able to commit to that. And that's kind of a good thing
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  and kind of what I wanted to lead with at least in this
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  episode just to start things off.
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  Two years of doing the show. What's changed, what?
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  What they learn? How are things, developing?
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  Where are we at right now? Well, I can tell you.
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  Now, there has been an influx of guests in.
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  I would say the last year, but especially the last six months.
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  And from what I've understood, a lot of that is down to the fact
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  that people are beginning to see my show at least from a
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  professional standpoint and I think they're kind of looking at
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  that. Like okay maybe this is a show
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  that I might benefit from going on or I might have a good
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  conversation here or this person might be able to do a good
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  interview for me, you know, whatever the motivations may be
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  and sometimes people share them sometime.
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  They don't, but I've been very lucky in the guests that I've
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  had so far in the opportunities. I've had to just have a range of
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  wonderful people on the show and, you know, it's still going
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  and I think When there's a couple of points, I really want
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  to touch on. In this episode.
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  And I think one of the biggest is the fact that like When it
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  comes to podcasting, you do need to be consistent, you do need to
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  keep going. Keep going, my apologies, you
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  can't give up. You know, you have to remember
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  why you started, and I've had ups and downs and everything,
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  both in my life, and with podcasting.
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  And one of the things that kind of keeps me going, is this idea
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  that, you know, every Chance to do.
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  The podcast is another opportunity to learn something
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  new to reach more people to interview, someone amazing or to
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  explore a topic that I've not explored before, you know,
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  there's various different motivations behind it.
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  But increasingly the more and more?
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  I do it. the more interesting, it becomes and the more
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  motivated I become for doing it and I don't know, it's just it's
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  my apologies. If I ramble, I'll try to kind of
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  bring it back every now and again.
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  And and that's something I really paid attention to doing
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  and certainly in the last year, with my podcasts.
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  But this episode, I don't know. There's a lot of ground to cover
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  and I suppose I'm still a bit bewildered by the fact that
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  we've reached two years in a. Because when I look back at the
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  podcast and I look back to the very beginning, I wasn't really
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  sure what to do with it. You know, I thought it was just
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  going to be originally funnily enough.
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  It just a discussion podcast. Well, I'll just tackle the topic
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  each week or every two weeks or whatever the case may be.
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  But then, you know, I had some people reach out that wanted to
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  do to appear on the show and I was like, right well let's roll
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  with this, let's do this and it's kind of just escalated from
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  there. You know, sometimes I reach out
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  to people. Sometimes people reach out to
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  me, sometimes people recommend the show to others and then they
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  get in touch with me or You know, there's lots of different
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  ways that people come on the show.
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  But the most important thing is that We're reaching people.
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  We're getting two people wear. Reaching people around the world
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  who are wanting to appear on the show and wanting to share their
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  stories and, you know, just appear on the show, which, to me
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  is very flattering, because I'm just a guy 29, as of recording a
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  guy with Big Dreams, you know, I'm an aspiring actor and
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  aspiring voice actor. Suppose in some ways, I'm an
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  aspiring podcaster at least in the sense.
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  I'd love to be able to make money from this and believe me
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  I've tried to unsuccessfully. No, but I mean, I love doing
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  this show, you know, I would do it even if I never make money
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  from it because There's something about podcasting.
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  That's different from everything else that I do in life.
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  I think and I know increasing increasingly and certainly in
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  the last six months, this has become more and more apparent.
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  Is this kind of motivation to as I mentioned before meet new
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  people and learn from them. I can't count how many episodes
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  I've done more recently where I get off the meeting, sit down.
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  And I just take five minutes to just kind of take it all in and
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  realize how lucky I've been to have that opportunity to speak
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  to that person to be in that moment and learn from that.
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  And I think one of the most motivating aspects to that, in
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  addition to, that is. So it's bad at speaking right
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  now, today Sunday Funday kind of mindset alone It's the people
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  have been reciprocating that my guests.
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  More often than not will come off the show saying, like, thank
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  you, that was a really good conversation.
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  Excuse me as a really good conversation and I really got
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  something from that or I was inspired by that.
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  Or, you know, I really just enjoyed being here and doing
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  this and it means the world to hear people coming off the show
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  and feeling that way. And, you know, there's been
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  times throughout the last two years and even more recently,
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  where are, you know, I've been frustrated at the fact that, you
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  know, the show hasn't kind of grown more than I'd like it to
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  reach more people than I would have liked to have.
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  Of butt. When I look at things, like the
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  amount of guests, I've been able to have on the show in the fact
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  that it's been a steady flow of guests and it's it keeps going
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  and, you know, we reached two years now that is a form of
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  success and that's to be something to be celebrated.
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  And that's what this episode is. This is a celebration of getting
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  22 years. Not giving up, not giving in to
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  You know, those negative feelings of?
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  Why isn't this where I want it to be?
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  Why isn't this where I want it to be?
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  What? There's a lot of things in my
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  life that aren't where I'd like them to be, as I'm sure many
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  people listening to this or watching this.
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  If indeed I do have a video version hobo.
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  Well, I am recording. Hopefully.
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  People will continue to get something out of this podcasters
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  as much as I do. And hopefully that will continue
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  to go on the show will continue to go on.
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  Because I really enjoy doing this podcast.
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  Interviewing these people. I feel like in the last again,
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  it really feels. Like maybe it's just 2022 tail
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  end to 2021. I feel like I've kind of come
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  more into my own as it pertains to podcasting because You know,
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  when I first started this it was just, let's just do interviews.
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  Let's just see what we can get out of this and try and figure
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  it out as we go. And for a while, you know, I
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  thought I had it kind of figured out, but it was always difficult
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  to market the podcast. Like, when people ask me, you
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  know, I still struggle to this day, sometimes to be able to say
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  like, well what is it, what is this podcast?
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  What is it trying to achieve? And I think I finally figured it
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  out. I think this podcast is all
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  about sharing life stories, sometimes the episodes will be a
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  bit more straightforward. You know, you have a guest on
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  and maybe you just cover their life in a very basic way, you
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  know, say if they're a musician, you know, all this is the type
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  of music they're doing. This is how they think about it.
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  This is where they're from, this is how they got started, Etc.
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  You going to have those episodes.
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  But I always try to make my guests feel as comfortable as
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  possible and try to get them to open up.
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  And once they do that, I feel is where the best conversations are
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  had when you can share a story and kind of delve into who that
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  person is. You know, their deepest level
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  because I feel like in life that's often the most
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  interesting conversations you have with the person.
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  It's when you get to the the real deep stuff not to say that
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  every episode is super deep and but that's what I try to aim
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  for. That's why I try to go for.
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  Because I want to show people who that person is and what
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  they're about, and not just kind of ask the basic questions and
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  don't get me wrong like sometimes I will be asking these
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  questions but that's what I'm aiming for, for example.
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  And I've said this before, but I might as well reiterate.
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  Now every show, every time I do an interview, I have a sheet of
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  questions there with me and you know, they're all centered on my
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  research around that person. What I could find.
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  Came to mind, you know, I try to write as many questions as I can
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  down on paper so that I have, you know, something prepared and
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  you know I do have like a basic piece of paper that I never use
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  but it's like a generic kind of podcast questions that I either
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  had seen on other shows or sometimes they spring to mind or
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  you know, whatever. And that's kind of that's like
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  the backup to the backup because the questions I have in front of
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  me are the back. cup, you know, I will use them just to kind of
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  get this conversation started but then from there on I try not
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  to use it if at all because what I mean to do is just have a
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  conversation with that person and essentially just like create
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  questions on the Fly, you know, create follow-up, questions, I
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  sit and I try to be there in that moment with that person.
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  Listen to their story and think. Okay, what would people want to
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  hear what do I want to hear? What do I want to know?
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  You know, I tried. That's why I try to aim for as
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  also. Another reason why I don't edit
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  this podcast. I like, I like it to feel
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  natural like it to feel like a casual conversation that you're
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  that you're listening to. It's also because I'm too lazy
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  to edit even though, You edit the podcast is very little, you
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  know, I do the podcast Clips obviously.
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  I clip it up in the sense that, you know, edit anything out that
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  needs to be edited out and then, you know, upload it everywhere
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  and that's kind of it. And I tried to keep it simple as
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  possible, but You know, I've had people ask me that full of why,
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  don't you cut out the guns, and the ours and all that stuff?
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  It work. I think it feels more natural.
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  I like it. You know, it's like this is the
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  conversation as it was because real conversations are like
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  that, you're not thinking of things every 5 Seconds, you
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  know, sometimes you do pause and consider a question.
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  Obviously, it's different for me being the host because I have to
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  kind of keep the conversation going and it's even more of a
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  challenge with an episode like this where it's just me here in
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  my room talking to you. Essentially, talking to myself.
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  Kind of reminds me of when I started creating videos for
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  YouTube back in 2019 and hello loud bike.
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  That's ruining my podcast, I live right next to a main road.
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  So it just ruins any kind of any kind of recordings that I'm
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  doing that. Our one day, it won't be like
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  this one day. I'll have a soundproof room and
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  I'll do make as much noise as I want one day after find myself
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  saying, One day, one day, I will have everything that I want and
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  still it won't be enough. Don't, you know what?
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  If you can if you can enjoy your own company and enjoy what
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  you're doing? Then wow.
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  I think that's a good start, isn't it?
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  I don't know. I'm rambling at this point.
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  I'm losing track of things. Let's bring it back to the
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  basics of what this episode is. I'm very happy.
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  That I've had so many guests on the show and that I'm continuing
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  to have a steady flow of guests. I'm very grateful for that.
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  Thank you to everybody that's appeared on the show throughout
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  the last two years. It's been a pleasure, having all
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  of you on the show, you're more than welcome back on the show.
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  Some guests. I've had repeatedly as well on
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  the show and I love that, too. I want to just keep this show
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  going. I kind of want the show to grow
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  with me and I feel like in many ways it has because I've grown
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  with this show. When I first started I wasn't
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  sure of myself. You know I was I was I was 2020.
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  I'd just gotten off the back of her another podcast.
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  I was doing very short-lived one but I was doing that with two
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  other people so there was a little less pressure there but
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  then there's loads of pressure once I started doing this and
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  You know, I see, I made it even more difficult because I didn't
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  really have like a set idea for what this show was, what the
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  identity was that I figured out throughout.
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  So doing this, this show as I mentioned before, it's just kind
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  of in more in the last year or so that I really figured out
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  what the show actually is, but it's always changing.
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  And I'm always changing because That's just life, isn't it?
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  You you change, as you get older, you learn things, you
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  tweak things. I think this show has helped me
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  to become a better conversation assist, it certainly made me a
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  better listener. Which is such an important
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  conversation on skill is the ability to listen and take on
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  board what the other person is saying.
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  And you know not just wait for your turn to speak but really
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  just hear what they're saying and hear that the intent as
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  well. Not just the words but the
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  intent of what they're saying a lot of the reason why I'm able
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  to come up with questions on the Fly.
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  It's because I'm there in the moment with that person in my
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  kit, taking on board, but this em but I'm sort of losing myself
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  in what they're saying. I'm losing myself in
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  conversations, it's no different to having a conversation in real
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  life. For me.
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  The only difference is that I am consciously aware of the fact
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  that I am hosting a show and I do kind of need to go from topic
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  to topic and have some sort of Adam flow I suppose because I'm
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  thinking about you the listeners, I'm thinking, like,
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  how does this sound to you? Does it sound like one big
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  rambling mess or is it something that's follow herbal?
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  If that's even a word, something you can follow easily and you
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  know you can have on while you're doing your cleaning or
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  going to work or at the gym or however you listen to the
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  podcast. You know it's I want it to be
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  something that's easy to follow and frustrating to listen to,
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  but there's many goals with this show and That brings me to.
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  I'll be the most important thing, which is the people
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  listening to the show. Thank you so much for listening
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  to this podcast for supporting me.
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  For all the comments, you leave, that are supportive, that are
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  constructive, that, you know, where you ask me questions, or
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  where you, you know, you simply tell me that you enjoyed the
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  show or, you know, they got you for a hard time or inspired you
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  like that means the world to me. because it means the there's
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  like a point to doing this other than my own.
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  Kind of convictions or is that the right word?
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  I don't know. Motivations is about a word.
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  That's I think that's the right word for doing this show but
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  Particularly when I've had those moments where I've been really
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  downtrodden with how things of have been in a particular week,
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  like maybe I release an episode and it doesn't get seen for ages
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  and I'm just like, what's the point, you know.
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  But then finally someone sees it and they leave a comment and it
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  just Straightaway, just motivates me again.
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  I'm like, yeah, that's why I do this for these people.
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  These few people that are listening.
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  I do it for them. As much as I do it for myself, I
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  do it for them to, and yeah, that just keeps me going and
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  that keeps me motivated. So, massive, shout out to
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  everybody that listens to this show.
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  Thank you so much and massive. Shout out to regular follower
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  and listener of the show. She's part of my community.
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  Shout out to Vilma. Thank you so much for for
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  listening to the show. For so long and I see all of
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  your comments. Of course, I try to reply to
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  them all the time and head of this show which I wouldn't, I
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  wouldn't have even done this show.
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  Had it not been for Vilma. because, The last time, the last
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  few times that I'd reached out and advertised on social media
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  like, hey, I'm doing an anniversary show.
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  I'm doing a special episode and, you know, I need people to send
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  in their questions or something like that.
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  And I never really got a response to that and I got big
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  to be motivated by that. And in a recent live stream,
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  Vilma was there and she's a Avid supporter of everything that I
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  do. So, thank you so much Vilma. she
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  kept pushing doing this show and I said, With the greatest of
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  respect, like what's the point? I've tried this before?
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  And it's not worked and I've tried it several times and it's
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  like my mindset is always been like, if you don't have a big
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  enough following a dedicated following with people
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  interacting with you then you know, most people I mean that if
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  you keep asking them nothing's happening, then they're just not
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  interested, or perhaps, you know, there's a lot of things on
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  social media. I'm not really referring to two
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  people who listen to the show because to be fair, I don't know
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  how many regular listeners there are.
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  There's at least two, I know for definite.
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  So that includes Vilma and I think there's another lady who
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  follows the show I Name Escapes me right now, but she comments
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  quite frequently on YouTube and then there's other a lot of
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  other people in my community who sort of catch, no catch in here
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  and there and I thank you so much for listening, I appreciate
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  it. I know podcasts on everyone's
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  cup of tea. They are very long form, you
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  know, type of content. And I suppose most people prefer
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  short form these days. So you know maybe podcast Thing
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  is a dying art I don't know. Seems like everywhere I look
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  there's all costs being created so I don't know.
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  But Yeah, just a massive, thank you to everyone who's listening,
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  but massive, thank you to Vilma for not only encouraging me to
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  do this show but sending in all of these questions which are
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  going to form the rest of this show.
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  I just was overwhelmed because she she'd ask me.
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  Hey, what's your email? I'll send through some questions
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  and I thought that would just be like a few and you know, I maybe
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  answer them and Try my very best to expand it or maybe save them
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  for another time and when I do have like a bigger audience and
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  maybe I can get more interaction.
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  What I was not expecting was an email with 17 questions, all of
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  which are very ones that get you thinking.
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  And I don't even know if I'm going to get through all of them
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  today, but I will, I would certainly do my best to go
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  through all of these and give meaningful answers.
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  But I just wanted to say a Thank you Velma for listening to this
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  show, for all your support with the show.
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  I really, really appreciate it. And thank you so much for all
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  these questions. So, here we go.
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  Number one, in the two years. You have been doing the podcast.
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  What do you think you've gained from it?
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  Okay, well, I think I've touched on this a little bit so far, but
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  Mostly I think. I've gained more confidence in
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  making conversations. I can be quite shy sometimes in
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  real life. Yeah, I have to be comfortable
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  and sometimes my social anxiety just hits me out of nowhere.
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  Most of the time, I'm fine. You see me in public.
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  I'm pretty easygoing, but occasionally, I can get bit,
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  like, you know, kg or uncomfortable, and I try my best
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  to fight it, but, you know, anxiety, it's suck sometimes,
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  but this, this podcast is really With that because it's meant
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  that I've kind of eased back on it now and I try to listen more
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  than I speak. You know, I prefer to listen to
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  people and I think that that does come from the show other
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  than that, Gosh. And I think it's made me more
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  outgoing and willing to take risks because there's been quite
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  a few times when I've reached out to people on this show to
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  appear on the show, another been unsuccessful in many cases have
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  been rejected. I've had people do all sorts of
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  things. Like I've had so many no-shows
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  on this show for no reason people.
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  Just decide they don't want to be on the show and it's like
• 24:21
  okay that's that I guess and it happens all the time and That's
• 24:27
  a podcast the listening when I know exactly what I mean.
• 24:30
  I don't know how many exactly, but I know it's in the double
• 24:33
  digits but it's just part of podcasting.
• 24:36
  That's just what it is. But I digress.
• 24:41
  What was my point with that? I mean, you just, you just kind
• 24:46
  of have to like, Keep going, I suppose, and have confidence in
• 24:52
  yourself to be. Willing to reach out to people
• 24:57
  and full, pardon my language flat on your ass.
• 25:00
  You know, sometimes people are not going to take you,
• 25:02
  seriously, there's been people who I knew even from childhood
• 25:07
  or I knew from real life and they've since become successful.
• 25:11
  And, you know, I reached out to them about appearing on the show
• 25:14
  and it seemed like it was going to happen and then they, I don't
• 25:17
  know, they just On interested anymore, but they didn't tell me
• 25:23
  that, you know, I just have to learn that by seeing that
• 25:25
  they're just essentially ignoring me or I don't know.
• 25:29
  There's been people of blocked me on social media because they
• 25:32
  didn't want to be on the show, which perplex me because I mean
• 25:37
  I try to be as professional as possible.
• 25:38
  Like literally if I book a show with you about, if it's got to
• 25:41
  the point where you're going to appear on the show, then you
• 25:46
  know all I'm going to send you as an email reminder of the day
• 25:48
  and be like Hey. You ready to go, but there's
• 25:52
  been a lot of instances as I say where I'm trying to negotiate
• 25:56
  like getting someone on the show and then they just, you know,
• 26:00
  change their mind, I guess. But never bothered to tell me
• 26:02
  and it sucks. And sometimes I wonder if it's a
• 26:06
  product of, you know, people becoming famous and then, you
• 26:12
  know, it gets to their goes to their heads, it could just be
• 26:17
  genuine genuinely, forgetting, And I'm hey, this isn't me like
• 26:21
  having a go at people, you know, I mean I don't know.
• 26:24
  That's the thing in these instances.
• 26:26
  I don't know I'm assuming but I don't know that that's the case
• 26:29
  because they've not said anything to me.
• 26:31
  But, you know, you see people's social media.
• 26:37
  What they're doing on social media and then you see how
• 26:40
  they're even interacting with you or not interacting with you
• 26:43
  and you kind of put two and two together in those instances and
• 26:47
  yeah, it kind of brings me to the point about how people say
• 26:52
  sometimes like why haven't you reached out to celebrities?
• 26:54
  I have and I've mostly just had like a negative experience with
• 26:59
  that. Unfortunately.
• 27:02
  Because people aren't really interested unless you're
• 27:06
  somebody that's not true for everyone.
• 27:09
  Everyone that's been on this show regardless of who they are.
• 27:13
  And there's been quite a few instances where people have
• 27:16
  appeared on the show and they have like a big online following
• 27:19
  or they're really successful in their own, right?
• 27:22
  And I'm scratching my head, why they want to appear on my show
• 27:25
  like mine which has very few listeners followers.
• 27:31
  Not much reach, you know, I mean, I can offer you a good
• 27:35
  interview. I can I can certainly give you a
• 27:37
  good show and I'll do my very best to make sure it's the best
• 27:41
  that it can be. But I can't guarantee that you
• 27:44
  being on this show will help you get anywhere.
• 27:48
  But at the same time you know it's not why I do this show.
• 27:52
  I don't do the show to get like loads of hits or to get loads of
• 27:55
  followers or anything like that. I do the show because I've
• 27:58
  always wanted to do a podcast. cast, and I like interviewing
• 28:05
  people and I like learning from them and I love this process
• 28:11
  when I started, you know, of course.
• 28:12
  Yeah, I was doing this as like, one of many things to try and
• 28:17
  Suppose Advance my chances of getting somewhere with my goals
• 28:22
  in life. And you know everything I do is
• 28:26
  to further my chances of becoming an actor becoming a
• 28:30
  voice actor, becoming a successful podcast that may be
• 28:33
  getting into TV, maybe getting to travel the world.
• 28:35
  I've got a lot of different goals in life and things like
• 28:40
  doing the podcast or tick talk or whatever help me to reach
• 28:45
  people. But nothing is guaranteed and
• 28:50
  that's okay. Because I love to do this.
• 28:54
  So, I think, yeah, enjoyment confidence to reach out to
• 29:01
  people, even if I almost think they might say no, or they might
• 29:06
  ignore me. It's okay, try just try.
• 29:09
  What did what do you have to lose?
• 29:11
  Nothing. And that whole thing of being
• 29:15
  bold and just reaching out to people, I've tried to transition
• 29:18
  that into everything else that I do.
• 29:20
  So I always try, you know, I'll apply for acting gigs.
• 29:24
  Even if I don't have the experience or You know,
• 29:27
  whatever. Or I don't know, I just try
• 29:30
  things even if I know I'm going to suck at them because just why
• 29:33
  not like what do I really have to lose?
• 29:37
  You know. So I think those are the main
• 29:39
  things that I think I've gained from doing this show.
• 29:44
  Yeah, let's move on to question 2.
• 29:46
  What makes a successful interview in your opinion?
• 29:50
  Gosh. I think that honestly depends on
• 29:55
  what type of interview you're trying to do because I've seen
• 29:59
  lots of different interview Styles.
• 30:02
  I've been on a lot of different peoples shows and experience
• 30:05
  different types of interviews. Obviously.
• 30:07
  I've I mean, it's not, I wouldn't really call it research
• 30:10
  but, you know, you see Clips online of like chat shows and
• 30:13
  all these things. And I do pay attention to
• 30:15
  various different peoples types of interviews and I try to apply
• 30:18
  anything that I learned to my own kind of interviewing skills.
• 30:23
  if you like, but I think in general a successful interview
• 30:27
  involves really giving your guests enough time to speak and
• 30:34
  to think Don't try not to ask leading questions or to like,
• 30:42
  give them the answers so to speak.
• 30:43
  But try to have like open questions or if you are going to
• 30:47
  lead them with something, just give them like an example, but
• 30:51
  then put really push on like well, what's your opinion?
• 30:53
  What do you think? What do you, how do you feel
• 30:56
  about this? Like I try very hard to try and
• 30:59
  get people to say how they feel rather than you know I never
• 31:02
  asked what yes or no questions really rarely ever.
• 31:06
  Unless it's just a lot of time if I'm going to ask okay, yes or
• 31:09
  no question, it's because I have other questions lined up and
• 31:12
  it's just a quickly to understand like okay, if I ask
• 31:14
  them this this will mean that I asked them this, this and this,
• 31:18
  if not, then maybe move on, or maybe ask them something
• 31:22
  different, you know. But yeah, I think I think those
• 31:27
  are the main things that make for a successful interview that
• 31:30
  and then if I said it before but just sitting and really
• 31:33
  listening to what your guest has to say.
• 31:37
  And this is just a life skill in general, is is being able to
• 31:42
  Kind of sit. And hear what the guest is
• 31:46
  saying or the hear what the person is saying.
• 31:48
  And I'm not talking about the words, you know, I mentioned
• 31:52
  earlier like the intent of what they mean, what their heart is
• 31:55
  trying to tell you and not every guest is going to open up to you
• 31:59
  in that way, but for the ones that do you have to try and
• 32:03
  connect with them on that level and I think that is a real key
• 32:07
  aspect of a successful interview.
• 32:09
  But again, that's just my Approach, there's many different
• 32:12
  approaches and it really Hands on your goals.
• 32:15
  My goals are to make my guests feel comfortable.
• 32:23
  Try to get my guests to share as many stories.
• 32:27
  As possible. And to just make them feel
• 32:31
  comfortable so that you know they feel more inclined to open
• 32:35
  up in the they have a good time and yeah there's no agenda with
• 32:39
  my show. I'm not trying to catch anybody
• 32:41
  out. I'm not trying to get juicy
• 32:43
  gossip or dish endure or anything like that.
• 32:49
  Some people have asked me, not, why don't you ask controversial
• 32:51
  questions? Because I'm not looking for
• 32:52
  controversy, I'm looking to share stories and create
• 32:56
  something positive, something that maybe people will walk away
• 33:00
  and feel inspired after having, you know, listen to the show.
• 33:05
  Anyway, I hope that answers your question.
• 33:08
  Number three. What would you like to ideally
• 33:13
  achieve still as far as the podcast is concerned?
• 33:17
  Well, as a lot of things I'd like to achieve, I think
• 33:23
  probably the biggest is to get sponsor sponsors at this point.
• 33:28
  It's not really about making money.
• 33:29
  It's more about kind of like solidifying that the podcast is
• 33:34
  worthy of getting Sponsors. That's kind of more aware of my
• 33:37
  head. My mindset, is that at this
• 33:39
  point, but, you know, of course, I would love to be able to make
• 33:42
  a living from this. I mean, gosh, imagine being able
• 33:45
  to do this podcast for a living that would be amazing other
• 33:50
  goals. You know, I want to just keep
• 33:52
  the show going, you know, get to get 200 episodes.
• 33:56
  Get to 500 to 1000, you know, whatever gets 25 years.
• 34:00
  These are all like goals. I'd like to achieve with it.
• 34:05
  I would love to be able to build, you know, Ultimate
• 34:09
  Fantasy build, my own Studio podcast studio and just have
• 34:13
  like a hub that people could travel to.
• 34:17
  And I think that then I would be able to mix it up.
• 34:19
  So I could create a space that I'm comfortable being intimate,
• 34:23
  that my guests are comfortable being in and would travel to.
• 34:27
  But also, you know, offering the option of hey, we can still do a
• 34:30
  zoom call or whatever I like keeping my show varied.
• 34:36
  And I like being able to have people from around the world,
• 34:39
  you know, and I would love to have a physical show and, you
• 34:45
  know, improve the quality of all this have like, state-of-the-art
• 34:50
  cameras, good lighting, the best microphones money can buy, you
• 34:53
  know, all that jazz. There's a lot of things I still
• 34:58
  want to achieve with the podcast, but, you know, just
• 35:01
  keep it going really is in is in my head, just keep trying.
• 35:07
  Number four. What is one piece of advice or
• 35:09
  story or experience that has stayed with you?
• 35:13
  After interviewing? So many guests with diverse
• 35:15
  backgrounds and unique life stories.
• 35:17
  Oh my gosh. As hard as so many.
• 35:26
  This is a bit of a cop-out answer because I honestly can't
• 35:30
  remember off the top of my head, but I think one thing which is
• 35:37
  kind of a lesson that I keep learning, I'm reminded of is
• 35:44
  through. Listening to all of my guests,
• 35:49
  particularly the ones who've been through like real
• 35:51
  hardships. In life, really difficult things
• 35:54
  in life. An example actually comes to
• 35:56
  mind. Actually, when I had a pretty
• 35:59
  recent guest on the show, Tessa Greenspan, she spoke about how
• 36:03
  you know, her Supermarket business went bankrupt and she
• 36:08
  you know, she'd been betrayed and people had stolen her money
• 36:11
  and she just had to work from scratch.
• 36:14
  And just build it all up again, and she's got to the point where
• 36:17
  she made tens of millions of dollars and travels the world
• 36:20
  and does all this, but it came through hard work, grit and
• 36:22
  determination. And I think the most amazing
• 36:26
  aspect of that, that inspired me was her attitude, her positive
• 36:30
  attitude, like how she got through that.
• 36:32
  She was really refreshingly honest about that.
• 36:34
  You know, she said that cause there's low moments and you know
• 36:37
  you get sad and you feel like you want to pack it in but you
• 36:40
  just keep trying you keep going. And that's the same thing I say
• 36:45
  to all my, you know, my listeners on, on the show and on
• 36:50
  my Tick Tock Live's, and what not just that, it's have to keep
• 36:53
  going especially on those dark days.
• 36:56
  Just remember that, you know, you'll go to bed, you wake up
• 36:59
  the next day and the sun will still be shining and you'll be
• 37:03
  alive and it's another opportunity.
• 37:06
  And life is a series of good and bad moments and bad moments
• 37:11
  don't always last and Yeah, it's just the journey, isn't it?
• 37:16
  Just keep going. Keep trying.
• 37:19
  That's my key. Takeaway.
• 37:23
  Whenever I have a guest on the show, and they inspire me and
• 37:26
  everyone, inspires me that comes from the show in different ways,
• 37:30
  but that's the key take away every single time.
• 37:33
  And sometimes I'll be sitting there and, you know, there's
• 37:35
  been times when I've had a terrible week or a terrible day
• 37:38
  and I have that person on my show and suddenly, you know, I
• 37:43
  don't feel so low anymore and I'm reminded of like, hey, I'm
• 37:46
  very lucky to be able to do this.
• 37:49
  And I love doing this and I want to keep doing this and thank you
• 37:52
  for the opportunity to do this. Thank you for listening because
• 37:56
  without you guys said it before. But without you guys, there will
• 38:00
  be no show and that would be a real demotivator that having no
• 38:04
  one listening. But there's, there's a few
• 38:06
  people listening and you guys, you motivate me to keep going
• 38:10
  and keep delivering, and hopefully, As we keep going each
• 38:15
  and every show is better than the last and you're enjoying it
• 38:19
  and staying on this journey here with me, let's get going, right.
• 38:25
  Cost is so many questions. So grateful, this is amazing.
• 38:29
  What is the biggest life lesson? You've learned so far?
• 38:32
  Gosh, yeah, mmm. So for those, for those who've
• 38:35
  never RK. Yeah.
• 38:38
  What's the biggest life lesson and what's the best piece of
• 38:40
  advice you've ever received? This is funny.
• 38:43
  He shows that I've been on my other shows, they've asked me
• 38:47
  these questions and I always pop because these are the questions
• 38:51
  that I ask my guests and I think they're really difficult because
• 38:55
  they ask you to isolate specific advice and lessons in that
• 39:03
  moment. And there's so much you learn
• 39:04
  and you know it, my main goal is to just find stuff that
• 39:07
  resonates with that person you know, even in that moment or in
• 39:11
  life in general. But with me, gosh best advice
• 39:19
  would be off the top of my head. My dad once said to me, you are
• 39:25
  your own best friend. and so what I meant by that is, you
• 39:29
  know, you know, yourself better than anyone else, you're with
• 39:33
  yourself from birth to death, You are your own best friend,
• 39:37
  you know, yourself better than anyone and you know, you are
• 39:41
  always there for yourself, you can trust yourself, you can
• 39:44
  always trust yourself. Hopefully, you know, And that's
• 39:48
  always kind of stuck with me. There's been other advice you
• 39:52
  know people give you advice all the time.
• 39:54
  Variety is the spice of life. That's a big one, you know, just
• 40:01
  being yourself. Stuff like that.
• 40:06
  Life lessons. I mean there isn't a single one
• 40:10
  just like with the advice and I think it changes in the moment,
• 40:13
  you know what becomes sometimes you'll learn things, but they
• 40:18
  won't become a parent or relevant until later on.
• 40:23
  And so I often feel like we never really learning with
• 40:26
  rediscovering in a sense, because we're learning, but you
• 40:31
  know what I mean? Like, we're rediscovering stuff,
• 40:33
  especially we probably heard, every quote, there is, you know,
• 40:36
  you've heard every cliche quote, but sometimes you see it and it
• 40:41
  resonates with you and that moment because you're going
• 40:43
  through something on life. And it's like, right?
• 40:44
  Yeah, of course. This this lesson.
• 40:47
  Yeah, I've seen this before, but it makes sense.
• 40:49
  Now, like, of course, this is how it is.
• 40:52
  Biggest life lesson. I'm Sheriff.
• 40:57
  You why? I think.
• 41:06
  When it comes to regrets. and I've had a few, but I do kind of
• 41:13
  believe everything happens for a reason how I try to live my life
• 41:16
  now. Is to have as few regrets as
• 41:21
  possible. I try to take advantage of every
• 41:24
  single opportunity I can get And try not to be afraid to take
• 41:32
  risks and to take chances and just try to think about like
• 41:36
  what might be said of. Like our this might happen.
• 41:39
  This might happen this by up and you know, like like - bad stuff
• 41:42
  think about what could happen. Think about the positives, think
• 41:45
  about the possibilities, essentially, being optimistic.
• 41:51
  There's other things, like I mentioned a little bit before,
• 41:55
  but, you know, being yourself. Is one of the most important
• 41:59
  things in life because it drives your life.
• 42:05
  You are who you are, and no one should be able to tell you how
• 42:10
  to live your own life. You know, you know, what's best
• 42:13
  for you, don't get me wrong. It's always good to hear what
• 42:18
  other people around you have to say.
• 42:20
  Like, you know, not everyone is out to get you.
• 42:21
  Some people are really trying to help you but things have to
• 42:25
  resonate for you. You have to make your own
• 42:27
  understanding and things and, you know, Live your life for
• 42:33
  you. Be true to yourself.
• 42:37
  And another one, which is one of more recently started to take on
• 42:44
  board is to trust your gut. Trust your instincts, I look at
• 42:50
  it like a bit of a cheat sheet, you know, it's like a cheat code
• 42:53
  in a video game infinite lives. I don't know, I just trust my
• 43:00
  gut and my instincts and it never does.
• 43:02
  Never never says me wrong. I always how I feel about
• 43:07
  something is always how it is. Maybe I'm crazy for thinking
• 43:12
  that way, but I don't know to me, that makes much more sense
• 43:16
  than listening to my brain, which always just seems to say
• 43:19
  who I'm afraid. Like what's going to happen?
• 43:21
  What's gonna happen? And it's like, well, we got
• 43:23
  through X Y and Z will get through this, you know, and
• 43:27
  that's another final thing. Yeah.
• 43:29
  Remember that whatever hardships or difficulties that you're
• 43:32
  going through right now? In life, you'll get through it
• 43:35
  because you've been through arguably much worse.
• 43:39
  Or if you haven't, you know, and you're going through something
• 43:41
  terrible, and you've never dealt with it before, you will get
• 43:43
  through it and you'll be stronger for it.
• 43:46
  It's the strength of the human Spirit.
• 43:48
  We can, we can do anything. Hang in there and keep going.
• 43:54
  Why should somebody listen to the Christian wreath podcast?
• 44:03
  I think to be inspired to be motivated to be reminded why
• 44:11
  life is worth living? Maybe that's a bit over the top
• 44:14
  but I don't know. Like I said before all these
• 44:17
  guests that have had on the show are really truly amazing people
• 44:22
  and I'm honored to be able to talk to all of them have them on
• 44:25
  the show and you know, for them to share their stories and
• 44:29
  experiences, you know, they're not always positive, sometimes
• 44:32
  they're very - you know, like powerful traumatic experiences
• 44:36
  and it's not easy for them to share it but they Brave and they
• 44:39
  do so. And Think I'm so proud that we
• 44:44
  were able to Showcase that and then show people listening or
• 44:50
  watching that, you know, you're not alone in this in this life
• 44:55
  that we're living, you know. Other people have achieved
• 45:01
  amazing feats or, you know, got through difficult times and
• 45:05
  they're just like, you, and no different to you.
• 45:09
  Sure their lives might be different different
• 45:10
  circumstances, whatever, but they're just like you.
• 45:15
  And there's no reason that you can't.
• 45:19
  And again it's as I said before, what why I keep doing the show
• 45:23
  because I'm just inspired by these people and I want to keep
• 45:28
  talking to them and I want to keep bringing those
• 45:30
  conversations to you. And I've, you know, I've spoken
• 45:33
  in frustration on livestreams before about one of the main
• 45:37
  reasons problem, if not the main reason, I want more people to
• 45:41
  listen, is because I want more people to hear and see these
• 45:45
  conversations and be inspired by them.
• 45:48
  Who knows what? Fantastic things they could do
• 45:51
  in their lives as a result of hearing, whatever advice someone
• 45:55
  on my show shared you know, like that's the way I like to think
• 45:59
  about it. Anyway, do you think that any
• 46:03
  topic and any guests could make for?
• 46:05
  Interesting conversational, great question. yeah, I mean You
• 46:11
  know, it's funny as well. I remember one guy came on my
• 46:13
  show and just before he came on the show he said or, you know,
• 46:18
  I'm a bit worried like maybe I won't be as interesting as the
• 46:20
  rest of your guests and I just stopped in and said, like
• 46:23
  listen, Every person is interesting.
• 46:27
  Everyone has something to say. You know, conversations our
• 46:31
  conversations as long as we're both there in it and we want to
• 46:34
  be there and we're both interested in hearing what each
• 46:37
  other has to say. It'll be a great conversation
• 46:41
  and that's the way I look at it, you know?
• 46:44
  And also everyone's interested different.
• 46:48
  There's been topics people I've had on the show where I'm not as
• 46:52
  interested as a would be talking about other things, but I'm
• 46:55
  still there for on there to learn, you know, in an instance
• 46:58
  where I As much interest or, I don't know as much as I sit
• 47:02
  there. And I know my role and I
• 47:04
  listened, you know, whereas it's if it's something like, I don't
• 47:07
  know, wrestling, I'll be more inclined to hop in there, and
• 47:10
  share my thoughts and opinions on that thing because I know
• 47:13
  more about that. But that doesn't change the fact
• 47:15
  that I want to hear what my guest has to say and I tried to
• 47:18
  make that the focal point. But yeah, I do think that any
• 47:23
  Topic in any guess can make for interesting conversation to be
• 47:27
  honest, every single show. where I have a guest on, it's a
• 47:31
  challenge and every time I do a topic or discussion-based
• 47:35
  episode eats, It's a challenge. It's always a challenge.
• 47:41
  It always will be challenging and I love that about life.
• 47:44
  I love anything. That's a challenge, you know?
• 47:47
  Just forces you to be better. And, you know, sometimes you
• 47:51
  fall over and you make mistakes but then you get back up and you
• 47:54
  keep going you know what a three qualities, a good podcast, there
• 48:00
  should have in your opinion. Okay.
• 48:04
  I'll be going to repeat some stuff but yeah, being a Good
• 48:08
  listener. I think being patient because
• 48:16
  it's a marathon not a race. If you haven't got the views
• 48:20
  that you wanted in five episodes, 20 episodes with
• 48:23
  squeaky chair, 50 episodes, you know, it might not come straight
• 48:26
  away. I mean crikey, I've been doing
• 48:28
  this show now for two years and I'm still trying to get
• 48:32
  somewhere with it, you know? And I've had some people tell me
• 48:37
  our takes at least three years and then you break out some
• 48:40
  people say like, oh you can do a show for like 5-10 years and
• 48:43
  you'll never get anywhere. You know, I hear all sorts of
• 48:45
  things. So I think patients is very
• 48:51
  important you know just keep going and consistency.
• 48:59
  Keep keep releasing stick to a schedule.
• 49:02
  You know, I'm going to add a few more.
• 49:03
  Sorry, I know it's three qualities but I'll add to this.
• 49:05
  I think having a clear structure for what you want to do, a clear
• 49:09
  plan for what you want to do for your show and sticking to that
• 49:13
  schedule are two really important aspects to this.
• 49:16
  So if you are doing a show and you want to do it like once a
• 49:19
  week, Stick to that release an episode, once a week, if you
• 49:25
  promise to your guests, so your listeners that you're going to
• 49:28
  release every Wednesday, then do that and stick to that, and
• 49:32
  don't falter and don't miss a week.
• 49:35
  Because at the bottom is, when you miss episodes as well, like
• 49:37
  you get the motivated, I've had times I've had times where I've
• 49:40
  made missed weeks, and Sometimes it happens because of had no
• 49:45
  shows. Other times it happens because
• 49:47
  it just didn't have any guests but you know what I should have
• 49:48
  done in those instances. I should have, you know, done a
• 49:52
  discussion episode. I have a bank of topics that are
• 49:56
  raring to go, but I've not, you know, done them.
• 49:59
  And luckily I've been so lucky as to have been busy with this
• 50:03
  constant, overflow of guests, but there might be times when
• 50:06
  that doesn't happen and, you know, you're forced to be
• 50:11
  creative with your show and look how Elsewhere or maybe even, you
• 50:15
  know, reach out to more people. And yeah, I mean podcast.
• 50:21
  Does a lot of work. If you want to do a podcast, you
• 50:24
  have to accept that there's going to be a lot of work
• 50:27
  involved and you might not get the results you want, but it's
• 50:32
  all part of it. Anything you want to do in life,
• 50:34
  you got to put the work in and podcast is no.
• 50:37
  Different is sponsorship. Essential for the success of a
• 50:43
  podcast. I don't know because I've never
• 50:47
  been sponsored but I think It depends on two things.
• 50:54
  I think it depends. Firstly on what you define as
• 50:58
  success for a podcast and secondly, a despite I suppose it
• 51:02
  depends on the individual goals of that podcast.
• 51:08
  If you look at a show like Joe Rogan's podcast or the Diary of
• 51:12
  CEO was wrestling podcasts, that I'm into like eighty three
• 51:17
  weeks, very pissed off, something to wrestle with you
• 51:20
  know, I mean, some shows up to just kind of go for Having their
• 51:27
  own sponsor shitting their own products, whatever their own
• 51:30
  brand, or sometimes they'll have several spots sponsors.
• 51:36
  As I said earlier, in this show. I mean, I think that having a
• 51:39
  sponsor is kind of like a mark of Your show being somewhat work
• 51:46
  principle but at the same time, like I don't think you have to
• 51:49
  have it necessarily to be successful.
• 51:52
  I mean, I guess there's probably podcasts out there that for
• 51:56
  instance, make money, just through listens, you know,
• 52:01
  through like anchor or through YouTube or whatever.
• 52:06
  I think, I think the sponsorship should be something that will
• 52:10
  podcasters aim for. But at the same time as I said
• 52:14
  before, there's different goals, sometimes people do podcasts
• 52:19
  with no thought about making money or anything from it.
• 52:22
  They just want to kind of, you know, talk about like history
• 52:26
  and capture something. Or they do it just for fun or
• 52:29
  they do it to kind of as a kind of I don't know, a way of hello.
• 52:35
  Housemate a way of like tracking something you know, Carla could
• 52:40
  diary I suppose and all Your diary so to speak.
• 52:45
  And that's a different purpose. Yeah, I really don't know.
• 52:52
  I really don't know if I never got a sponsor.
• 52:58
  But I still say, I reached like 50 people every single show, or
• 53:02
  I had like 20 dedicated listings every single time I would regard
• 53:05
  that success. I mean, I already think that on
• 53:09
  a small scale. The podcast is successful
• 53:11
  because there's a handful of people listening and watching.
• 53:15
  And you keep listening and watching, and that is a success
• 53:18
  in of itself. So I really think that how you
• 53:22
  look at things is integral in that particular question.
• 53:26
  But yeah, I mean For some people, it's a passion for
• 53:34
  others, its work for others, it's both for me.
• 53:39
  I would love to be able to make money from this.
• 53:41
  I would love to be able to get sponsors from this but hello
• 53:44
  Slammy door, you know, it wouldn't be the end of the
• 53:49
  world. If I didn't either, there's the
• 53:54
  third one. You can hear all the doors
• 53:58
  slamming in this house. You can never not hear them.
• 54:02
  Alright, let's move on in today's society where everyone
• 54:06
  is so busy and always on the go, do you think that the duration
• 54:11
  of a podcast episode could act as a deterrent, interesting?
• 54:15
  And thus might someone not choose to listen to a specific
• 54:20
  episode thinking? That is too long.
• 54:22
  Okay? Wow.
• 54:26
  I kind of covered part of this earlier.
• 54:32
  I know this is kind of asking a few things, but I mean, firstly,
• 54:37
  I think you have to look at what type of content.
• 54:39
  This is some people love to read some people hate to read, you
• 54:45
  know, some people love to listen to podcasts, some people hate to
• 54:48
  or are interested. I know that there's many people
• 54:53
  that, you know, check out my content, they're selling
• 54:56
  Tick-Tock that's never more than like 30 seconds long generally,
• 55:00
  but they probably would never check out my podcast.
• 55:04
  Maybe vice versa. Maybe there's people that check
• 55:06
  out my podcast, that would never look at the short form content.
• 55:11
  To me, it's just different types of content, you know, I enjoy
• 55:14
  making both but as far as people listening or watching I mean, I
• 55:20
  think everything kind of has its audience, you know, I know
• 55:26
  numbers-wise podcasts are still huge.
• 55:29
  There's still millions of people that listen to podcasts.
• 55:34
  I think there always will be a market for it, to be honest.
• 55:39
  So that's that's one aspect to. I think it's just like a catered
• 55:43
  to a specific audience. Damn, that door is loud.
• 55:48
  I'm gonna have a word of my house mail today.
• 55:50
  Stop ruining my 2-year podcast but to I'm looking at what, how
• 55:57
  would you, how would, how would he know how many know as far as
• 56:04
  the the the other part of this question?
• 56:06
  I mean, maybe the duration could make a difference.
• 56:12
  I I definitely have been paying much more attention to how long
• 56:15
  the episodes are. Because, you know, I used to
• 56:18
  never pay attention to that, you know, it's sometimes they'd be
• 56:20
  like 2 hours long. And I'll be like, yeah, that's
• 56:22
  great. Or, you know, I want to do three
• 56:24
  hours but it is a real slog to get through, something like
• 56:27
  that. And one thing, one of the pieces
• 56:30
  of feedback, I actually got from people was that, you know, they
• 56:32
  wouldn't listen to the podcast in one sitting because it was
• 56:35
  too long. They listened to it in like
• 56:37
  several sittings and I Know if necessarily that affects
• 56:41
  numbers. But I certainly think that it
• 56:42
  might put people off, maybe. But then you have to ask
• 56:46
  yourself, like, who is listening to the podcast?
• 56:50
  Where are they listening? How are they listening?
• 56:52
  You know, you've got a long drive, it's not a problem Bobby,
• 56:56
  the longer, the better, you know.
• 57:00
  I try to aim for anywhere between an hour to an hour and a
• 57:03
  half. 45 minutes is like my absolute minimum if it's not, if
• 57:08
  it's shorter than that, I don't think it's long enough, but
• 57:10
  that's just my personal opinion. But yeah, I do think that you're
• 57:16
  going. They've got a, you got a call it
• 57:18
  somewhere but then again, it depends.
• 57:21
  You know, there's podcasts that I listened to the 3-4 hours long
• 57:25
  but there's a reason for that, you know, those people don't
• 57:28
  release content anywhere else. When they do people clamoring to
• 57:32
  listen to that. But then they do like Clips
• 57:34
  online that are like sometimes podcast length in of themselves
• 57:39
  like 40 minute Clips or whatever and they get more listens and
• 57:43
  follows those accounts, then the actual podcast does.
• 57:48
  So, yeah, it's interesting to me, actually my I thought that
• 57:52
  my Clips would take off. I thought that You know, that
• 57:55
  that would be like huge for me, but it's never really gotten me
• 57:58
  anywhere. It's gotten, I've had a few
• 58:02
  Clips to have had hundreds of thousands of views, luckily, but
• 58:06
  most of them struggled to get any views.
• 58:12
  The ones that are on my main accounts online get a bit more
• 58:15
  but I think a lot of its just passing kind of like interest
• 58:19
  and occasionally people will you know make comments and stuff
• 58:22
  like that but I don't think that those people are Necessarily
• 58:26
  invested in listening to a full podcast, I think they're more
• 58:28
  kind of like oh that's a cool clip or all that relates to me
• 58:32
  or whatever because it I mean it's fine that you see it, you
• 58:35
  see often see like podcast Clips in your timeline on various
• 58:38
  different platforms, don't you? And, you know, sometimes they
• 58:41
  can be really inspiring or sometimes, you know?
• 58:43
  The they might be interested. I mean, I suppose Maybe, I'm an
• 58:49
  exception, exception to the rule, I don't know.
• 58:51
  But for me sometimes if I see clips that good enough that
• 58:55
  really are inspiring me or make me want to listen to the full
• 58:59
  episode. But for instance I remember
• 59:01
  that's how I discovered the Diary of a CEO podcast.
• 59:04
  I'm not like a regular listener but I remember seeing a few
• 59:08
  clips of the episode with Jimmy Carr.
• 59:10
  And you know I'm a big fan of Jimmy cause work anyway but I
• 59:15
  think the interesting thing was that there were a few Clips,
• 59:20
  they would no longer than maybe a minute long and they were
• 59:23
  really inspiring and Jimmy Carr was talking in a way that was
• 59:29
  kind of out of character for his General Persona.
• 59:32
  He was being very real with himself, very bare-bones.
• 59:36
  Honest in on this show and I thought, well, that's
• 59:38
  interesting. And then I saw another clip.
• 59:41
  And then another, I think I saw three in total.
• 59:43
  And then by that point, I was sold and I had to go check out
• 59:45
  the episode and that's always my hope.
• 59:47
  When I release clips is like all maybe, you know, if I release
• 59:51
  these, maybe someone will see these clips be like Love the
• 59:54
  clips and be like, I have to go check this.
• 59:56
  Castel those particular episode, but it's a gamble every time.
• 1:00:03
  I tried to pick out the most interesting Clips, but yeah,
• 1:00:07
  it's all subjective. You know, I'm sure I'm doing it
• 1:00:10
  all on my own and I have no idea if those are the most
• 1:00:13
  interesting ones. I mean those, there are some
• 1:00:16
  that I always do like, you know, biggest life lesson, best advice
• 1:00:19
  I suppose. That's just part of my show in
• 1:00:21
  its brand, but a lot of the other Clips, you know, they're
• 1:00:24
  just what I think might be interesting to people listening
• 1:00:28
  and that's a gamble each and every time Anyway, oh gosh,
• 1:00:33
  we've got a few more questions left.
• 1:00:36
  Who are three people. You would love to ideally
• 1:00:39
  interviewing the future and why? Oh, gosh, I don't know.
• 1:00:43
  There's loads of people. I'd love to interview.
• 1:00:47
  So I might have to skip this question because I love having
• 1:00:51
  like anyone on the show as long as they're willing to have a
• 1:00:54
  conversation and not just try and plug themselves as long as
• 1:00:59
  they were invested and want to have a good conversation and
• 1:01:02
  want to create good content. But also, you know, kind of go
• 1:01:06
  with the point of the show which is to share your stories to
• 1:01:10
  share who you are and what you're about and, you know, to
• 1:01:13
  have a conversation about that and I should also add as well.
• 1:01:15
  It's not just people's life stories or whatever.
• 1:01:18
  If you've got this accounts for anyone, Thing, if you've got
• 1:01:21
  like a particular topic that you want to talk about bring that
• 1:01:26
  and we can and we can go through that because I always sit down
• 1:01:29
  and do lots of research heading into a show.
• 1:01:32
  So if it's on a specific topic that you want to talk about with
• 1:01:36
  me, we can make that happen, you know, so that's another element
• 1:01:40
  to it. But anyway, so I'm going to skip
• 1:01:42
  that one. So I hope you understand.
• 1:01:45
  Is there anything you would hesitate to ask, or never, ask a
• 1:01:48
  guess and why? This is a great question. so,
• 1:01:53
  every time I do a show, Without fail before, I'm about to
• 1:01:58
  record. I will ask the guest.
• 1:02:00
  Is there anything off limits or anything you're uncomfortable?
• 1:02:03
  Talking about. Now, I've already done my
• 1:02:06
  research on my guests. Sometimes they're more
• 1:02:10
  forthcoming and they give me lots of information about
• 1:02:12
  themselves, sometimes very personal stuff but that happens
• 1:02:15
  to be part of their brand like they open and they share these
• 1:02:18
  things but you know some of them maybe they shared it in
• 1:02:22
  confidence to kind of build up, an idea of who they are but
• 1:02:25
  maybe they don't want to talk about that stuff and other
• 1:02:28
  people are surprised sometimes with things they don't want to
• 1:02:30
  talk about, whenever I ask them that question.
• 1:02:35
  And it kind of goes back to what I said before about not having
• 1:02:37
  an agenda and not making people feel uncomfortable.
• 1:02:39
  I want people to feel comfortable and I want them to
• 1:02:43
  know that, you know, if there's particular things they don't
• 1:02:45
  wish to discussed either, because they're triggering or
• 1:02:48
  traumatic or whatever the case may be, they don't have to and
• 1:02:52
  we just won't go there. So I suppose the answer to the
• 1:02:57
  question is yes. But like I said those are the
• 1:03:01
  reasons. You know, it's to make my I feel
• 1:03:04
  comfortable and safe and you know realized that there's no
• 1:03:07
  agenda here and just trying to have a good time.
• 1:03:10
  I want them to have a good time so that's something I do.
• 1:03:15
  Few more questions left crikey. This is how long's this been go.
• 1:03:18
  Wow, we've already reached an hour.
• 1:03:19
  There you go. Thank you so much.
• 1:03:21
  Vilma, you've made this show how different would the show be.
• 1:03:26
  If you could interview your guests in person in a studio
• 1:03:30
  instead of online, what do you think this would add to the
• 1:03:32
  show? Well, great question, these are
• 1:03:34
  fantastic questions. I think the vibe might be a
• 1:03:40
  little bit different because it's always a bit different when
• 1:03:43
  you're in person because you can kind of feel the other person's
• 1:03:49
  Vibe, their energy, whatever. So there's that aspect to it, I
• 1:03:53
  feel like in some instances, maybe it just be the same in
• 1:03:58
  some, maybe some of the more shy, introverted guests, might
• 1:04:04
  not feel as comfortable if they have to.
• 1:04:08
  In this, you know, this studio of mine as opposed to buy in
• 1:04:11
  their own home. So I think that could change the
• 1:04:14
  types of conversations you have with people in terms of certain
• 1:04:17
  people, not feeling as comfortable.
• 1:04:20
  But in general what I think would add do I think was I had
• 1:04:24
  to the show, would decide to the show.
• 1:04:26
  I certainly do think it would again just like the sponsorship
• 1:04:30
  point, I think it would add reputa, booty, reputa, bility.
• 1:04:34
  It will make the show more reputable.
• 1:04:36
  I think. By having a fixed location to
• 1:04:40
  work from. I think it would help with
• 1:04:46
  finding more guests. Certainly, I think it might help
• 1:04:50
  with finding, quote unquote, more high-profile guests, but I
• 1:04:56
  think that that would be more to do with.
• 1:04:57
  But if I would sign a contract, let's say with like an agency or
• 1:05:02
  podcasting what order they call them, remember the name network
• 1:05:07
  is the one that that would be more as a product of that as
• 1:05:10
  opposed to actually just having a physical location.
• 1:05:13
  But you know every Big Show that you can think of has their own
• 1:05:16
  Studio, they just do No everyone.
• 1:05:19
  You know the rest in ones I listened to add actually just
• 1:05:22
  zoom calls but that's just by Design, you know.
• 1:05:27
  It's not the be-all end-all for me, it's a dream of mine but you
• 1:05:33
  know, it wouldn't be the be-all end-all for me, you know.
• 1:05:35
  I just want to keep the show going and keep growing keep
• 1:05:38
  persevering with it. But Yeah, I think it would add
• 1:05:44
  something to the show. I think it would add.
• 1:05:46
  As I say credibility and Just a new element, I think.
• 1:05:53
  But again, as I said before, because I have people from
• 1:05:55
  around the world, you know, you can't expect everyone to hop on
• 1:05:58
  a plane and come see, you know, I think the shirt a lot of the
• 1:06:00
  show would still be zoom and stuff like that, but certainly
• 1:06:05
  it, if I had like UK guests, and some based in the u.k. right now
• 1:06:12
  that would be interesting, maybe for them, you know, maybe that
• 1:06:16
  maybe some people would prefer to be in person, who knows?
• 1:06:21
  Is there a question you wish you could ask could have asked the
• 1:06:23
  guests but didn't nothing immediately comes to mind.
• 1:06:30
  I think there's been times when We got so caught up in, you
• 1:06:35
  know? The conversation that we were
• 1:06:38
  having that we didn't have time to ask the rest of the questions
• 1:06:40
  but to be honest, those are the best shows.
• 1:06:43
  When you just kind of throw the script out the window.
• 1:06:45
  And a lot of the time that is the case because that's my aim,
• 1:06:49
  I want to have conversations like that, I don't want to, you
• 1:06:53
  know, Just stick to a script. I hate that idea but sure but I
• 1:07:03
  don't think there's ever been anyone.
• 1:07:04
  Like any specific question one like oh my God that's completely
• 1:07:08
  ruined it. Why didn't I think of that?
• 1:07:09
  So as I say like if there was like a specific question, I had
• 1:07:16
  to ask them. I would just make that sure
• 1:07:18
  that's one of the first questions I ask them, you know.
• 1:07:21
  But yeah, I suppose I've been lucky on that front.
• 1:07:24
  Would you ever like to do a similar style interview show on
• 1:07:27
  TV the live audience or live on the radio?
• 1:07:33
  I could see life on the radio working.
• 1:07:36
  I've had a few comments over the past year or so saying that
• 1:07:39
  people have heard my voice and thought it would be good for
• 1:07:42
  radio and I was very flattered to hear that.
• 1:07:46
  And I would love to do radio. That would be amazing.
• 1:07:51
  I probably have to change a few things as far as the setup is
• 1:07:54
  concerned. But you know I could make it
• 1:07:56
  work somehow but we've TV the live audience.
• 1:08:03
  I think it really depends because again, the nature of it
• 1:08:06
  changes, you know, like I hate all these talk shows in America
• 1:08:10
  for example because they were all.
• 1:08:13
  It's just about, it's a big old farce.
• 1:08:16
  It's a big old, just like it's centered, It's Entertainment.
• 1:08:19
  It's not, they're not really there to do, like a really good
• 1:08:22
  interview. You know, they're just kind of
• 1:08:24
  mucking around. There's a few exceptions to that
• 1:08:27
  rule, but a lot of the time, it's just, you know, mucking
• 1:08:31
  around like the only person I can really think of that.
• 1:08:33
  Really does it. Well, do I really?
• 1:08:35
  Adore is Graham Norton. I think he does an excellent job
• 1:08:40
  because his show is kind of a mixture of all of the above.
• 1:08:43
  He'll ask some serious questions, he'll advertise their
• 1:08:46
  stuff, he'll ask him fun stuff, you'll get good stories out of
• 1:08:49
  them which is brilliant. That's what you want.
• 1:08:52
  You want to see those Stars, talking about relatable things
• 1:08:55
  or sharing crazy stories or showing that they're human and
• 1:08:58
  he gets that out of them. I mean, part of even just the
• 1:09:02
  physical self. Of that show is brilliant
• 1:09:04
  because they're on a sofa with like no armrest or anything
• 1:09:09
  where they kind of have to sit upright like that.
• 1:09:12
  So they're kind of already uncomfortable but he makes them
• 1:09:15
  comfortable and he gets them all involved, you know, and he
• 1:09:21
  doesn't like he makes it silly, but he makes sure that they feel
• 1:09:25
  comfortable, he makes sure that They understand that it's just
• 1:09:30
  fun and it's he's not mocking them, he's not trying to you
• 1:09:33
  know make them look ridiculous. He's just having fun and they're
• 1:09:36
  having fun and you know like people love to appear on the
• 1:09:38
  show apparently in the industry in the acting Industries and TV
• 1:09:41
  Industries. Like apparently they always seek
• 1:09:45
  to be on his show and I can see why you know, he's a fat, he's
• 1:09:49
  fantastic at what he does. If I could do something like
• 1:09:52
  that then sure. But I mean he's the master You
• 1:09:57
  know, demeaning and I'm a long-form guy as well like you
• 1:10:03
  know someone like Graham Norton is very witty and quick and
• 1:10:07
  that's not really me. I can sometimes do that but I'm
• 1:10:11
  more like, sit down, do your research compared and do like a
• 1:10:15
  long-form thing I think that's that's why I might be better for
• 1:10:18
  something like radio but you know I'm open to it.
• 1:10:21
  We've TV it really depends what the format would be.
• 1:10:27
  I'm open to it but I think it would be very different in terms
• 1:10:31
  of vibe from what we're doing here on the show and if I would
• 1:10:34
  do something like that, chances are I would keep doing the
• 1:10:37
  podcast separately and it just be its own thing.
• 1:10:40
  And then, the TV show would just be like, a highly condensed
• 1:10:45
  version. I don't know.
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  I'd have to see what they were, you know?
• 1:10:49
  Proposing. But radio really does sound very
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  appealing. They will be interesting to see
• 1:10:56
  what. Yeah, I've also thought that not
• 1:10:58
  just talk radio but also I love music as you guys know I'm a
• 1:11:02
  musician. And, you know, one of the things
• 1:11:05
  I've noticed that's been happening a lot, over the past
• 1:11:07
  two years, is when I do these Tick-Tock lives, random bands
• 1:11:11
  will get in touch with me and be like, hey what about this song?
• 1:11:15
  Would you check out this song and I'll check it?
• 1:11:17
  And it's always awesome and you can shine a spotlight on them
• 1:11:21
  and be like, hey this is a good band you can check out and
• 1:11:24
  sometimes I'll have, you know, people with bands on the show or
• 1:11:27
  members of bands to promote them and stuff.
• 1:11:29
  But I always listen to their music ahead of time.
• 1:11:32
  You know to prepare and also just because I like music and
• 1:11:36
  I've discovered some good bands for you that as well.
• 1:11:38
  So be cool to actually do like a sort of Music show that was a
• 1:11:44
  combination of talk radio and music.
• 1:11:48
  That would be almost the ultimate dream I think.
• 1:11:53
  But yeah. Yeah.
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  Final question. Well, what can someone gain from
• 1:12:01
  listening to podcasts and why have podcasts become so popular
• 1:12:05
  in recent years? Gosh, well, I like to think of
• 1:12:08
  myself as somewhat of a podcasting historian of sorts
• 1:12:12
  because I've been fascinated with podcasts ever since I
• 1:12:15
  heard, Some of the very first ones made by Ricky Gervais and
• 1:12:21
  his team that I think that show. Was the show that made me want
• 1:12:27
  to do a podcast and that was back in the 2000s, way before I
• 1:12:31
  ever could have envisioned doing something like that is only
• 1:12:35
  really at you need that. I started actually toying with
• 1:12:37
  the idea, but that was the initial Inspiration Point if you
• 1:12:44
  like and I believe that podcasts have been dumb way before that
• 1:12:52
  too. But after that show then it
• 1:12:56
  became a huge then it became this like massive mainstream
• 1:13:00
  thing and suddenly everyone was doing them.
• 1:13:05
  I think this is okay I'll try and answer the yeah, the second
• 1:13:08
  part of this first thing, go back to the first part.
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  So I think the reason why podcasts have become so popular
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  is a combination of things. I think one it's a really easy
• 1:13:19
  thing to like set up, you know, you don't need much to set up a
• 1:13:23
  podcast, but at the same time it is a lot of hard work.
• 1:13:28
  But you know if you're just setting up a podcast right now,
• 1:13:32
  Bare Bones All you need is a mic really probably even just do it
• 1:13:37
  with just the bike initially, you know, that's how I started
• 1:13:42
  and then you go from there and you slowly get better equipment
• 1:13:44
  over time and you most importantly work on your content
• 1:13:48
  and make it better. That's at least in the podcast
• 1:13:50
  inside. As far as the listener viewer
• 1:13:53
  side. I think the It's really
• 1:13:58
  interesting. I think it's the same reason
• 1:14:00
  that audiobooks are successful as well as because not everybody
• 1:14:07
  is into like reading or watching videos as being like their main
• 1:14:12
  source of entertainment like some people for some people.
• 1:14:15
  It's auditory. It's, you know, hearing and I
• 1:14:19
  always remember that with the podcast as much as we have clips
• 1:14:22
  and we have a video version, most people Listen to this show,
• 1:14:27
  listen to the audio version. And to be honest, I've scarcely
• 1:14:30
  actually sat down and listened to how the show sort of sounds
• 1:14:36
  when it's just all auditory. I have.
• 1:14:39
  And it sounds normal. I mean, I hate the sound of my
• 1:14:42
  own voice but it sounds possible at least in the sense that like,
• 1:14:47
  I'm okay with it. You know, I should also explain
• 1:14:49
  like every time I put the show out, I'm proud of it because my
• 1:14:54
  guest I'm not proud of it because of me.
• 1:14:56
  Empowered because of the guests, I had, which means I'm have.
• 1:14:59
  I especially scrutinize episodes like this, which just me
• 1:15:03
  talking. I mean, I've been talking now
• 1:15:05
  for an hour and 17 minutes, that's just like, yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:15
  The point is, I think it's just a specific type of thing that is
• 1:15:22
  is appealing. It's an auditory thing.
• 1:15:25
  That's appealing. You know, I mean, I've listened
• 1:15:27
  to a lot of audiobooks over the years and that's creates a
• 1:15:30
  picture in your head, you know, and I think that there's
• 1:15:33
  something kind of comforting about listening to a podcast.
• 1:15:38
  Over the years, I would listen to podcasts particularly in
• 1:15:43
  moments where I wasn't very happy and it kind of felt like
• 1:15:46
  you know I had friends in the room with me and that's kind of
• 1:15:50
  what I've tried to recreate with this show.
• 1:15:53
  And why it's so laid-back, why it is just kind of bare bones
• 1:15:57
  and no cuts. No, it's not trying to be
• 1:15:59
  perfect. I'm not trying to be perfect.
• 1:16:01
  I don't want the show to sound perfect.
• 1:16:03
  I want it to sound imperfect because I want to recapture that
• 1:16:08
  magic that I heard all those years ago when I was listening
• 1:16:11
  to podcasts for the first time, you know, that kind of Imagining
• 1:16:17
  yourself, you know, sitting there in the room with you, the
• 1:16:21
  two people having the conversation, you're just
• 1:16:23
  listening and you're not, you're not contributing, you're just
• 1:16:25
  listening, I like that. I can think of so many times in
• 1:16:28
  my life where I've been sitting and listening to some people
• 1:16:31
  have a conversation and it's really interesting conversation
• 1:16:34
  and I'm just absorbing it. And that's what I'm trying to
• 1:16:38
  recreate with this. Yeah, but I hope that kind of
• 1:16:41
  answers may be why podcast to become popular, and I think it's
• 1:16:47
  just a different Medium as well. There's always going to be new
• 1:16:50
  mediums that come and go seems that podcast.
• 1:16:54
  You're a bit of a staple that have remained.
• 1:17:01
  Gosh, maybe maybe because there's a small money and
• 1:17:04
  podcasts. Maybe that's what it is.
• 1:17:06
  I mean, you see that the deal that Joe Rogan caught for?
• 1:17:08
  I think it was like 100 million. And then I've seen other
• 1:17:12
  podcasts, like in the UK are they Happy Hour podcast and they
• 1:17:16
  went from doing like a YouTube podcast where they were just
• 1:17:19
  talking YouTube drama to having, you know, major film stars and
• 1:17:25
  actors, and all sorts of musicians, on their show.
• 1:17:28
  So they've props to them. Once you got that money or
• 1:17:35
  sponsors or whatever, you know, sky's the limit as far as what
• 1:17:37
  you can do with the show but maybe maybe it's just that is a
• 1:17:42
  different type of medium that allows a lot more.
• 1:17:44
  There's a lot more possibilities I think with podcasts because
• 1:17:47
  going back to the point about interviews.
• 1:17:50
  You know, a lot of the time if you have like an actor appear on
• 1:17:54
  like a chat show, you know what to expect, you're going to get,
• 1:17:57
  like, maybe 10, 15 minutes of that, guest, you know, and
• 1:18:01
  because there's going, To be other guests on the show and you
• 1:18:03
  get a bit of fun from them. Maybe they're ask a few
• 1:18:05
  questions. They might ask one controversial
• 1:18:07
  question about exposed. The thing you're looking for is
• 1:18:10
  is anything controversial going to happen?
• 1:18:11
  Are they going to walk off on, you know, are they going to be
• 1:18:14
  annoyed by a question? Are they going to be really fun?
• 1:18:16
  You know, maybe that's the appeal of those shows, but as
• 1:18:19
  far as saying, like an actor or a musician, appearing on a
• 1:18:22
  podcast, I mean that's an hour, maybe two hours of uninterrupted
• 1:18:28
  conversation, where anything can happen, you know?
• 1:18:31
  And we've seen it time and time again, where people have been
• 1:18:35
  doing the show and it was long and an hour and a half, but like
• 1:18:39
  a few Clips have been taken from that and they've gone viral, you
• 1:18:42
  know? So so I think it's just an
• 1:18:45
  interesting medium that has a lot of possibilities to maybe
• 1:18:50
  it's that. But yeah, I don't know.
• 1:18:52
  And the other part, the question, what can someone
• 1:18:53
  gained from this new podcast? Well, A lot really.
• 1:18:58
  I mean, I suppose it depends on what topics you're interested in
• 1:19:02
  but you know If there's anything you're interested in, guess what
• 1:19:06
  is going to be a podcast on that topic?
• 1:19:09
  And I've seen a lot of interesting topics over the
• 1:19:12
  years that people have dedicated entire podcasts to.
• 1:19:16
  And I've really got some longevity out of, in some cases
• 1:19:20
  and it's amazing, you know, really is and I suppose tying up
• 1:19:25
  this episode with a bow, I mean, it's one of the reasons why I'm
• 1:19:29
  so enamored with podcasting, especially with my show like
• 1:19:34
  originally, I was just going to do a wrestling podcast and I got
• 1:19:38
  bad news about that, by the way, I'll save that for the end, what
• 1:19:42
  we are in the end in a minute. Wait, be patient.
• 1:19:48
  I decided instead of doing just a wrestling only podcast, I
• 1:19:52
  wanted to do a show where I got to talk about anything.
• 1:19:57
  I wanted to be able to talk about any topic, I didn't want
• 1:20:00
  there to be rules or restrictions and there still are
• 1:20:05
  a few. There's some certain topics I
• 1:20:07
  won't touch just because I don't want to but you know And also a
• 1:20:14
  big part of it, as I mentioned before, is me trying to build a
• 1:20:17
  story as far as I can. This is what the show is.
• 1:20:20
  So now that I know that it's life stories and particular
• 1:20:23
  topics at length in depth and stuff like that.
• 1:20:26
  Now, I know what to look for saying guests and also what,
• 1:20:33
  how, to structure my show excetera but yeah, I mean I
• 1:20:46
  think. With this podcast.
• 1:20:54
  Moving forward. I'll just keep doing what I've
• 1:20:58
  always done and just keep trying to learn and keep moving forward
• 1:21:03
  and Go. As I've been going for the past
• 1:21:09
  two years because I feel like the learning the lessons have
• 1:21:12
  come naturally. You know, it's it's they've
• 1:21:17
  occurred through the process of doing and that's my favorite way
• 1:21:20
  to learn is to just do and learn that way.
• 1:21:24
  Learn by living, and that's what I've done with this show and I
• 1:21:28
  like the fact that it's an open platform and open format that
• 1:21:33
  makes for a A lot of possibilities and yeah, just
• 1:21:42
  quick news before I tie things up for good, for this episode,
• 1:21:45
  The two-year anniversary of the Christian re podcast I am now as
• 1:21:51
  of recording this right now. Appearing, weekly on a wrestling
• 1:21:54
  podcast which is has also been a side dream of mine to finally be
• 1:21:59
  involved with the wrestling podcast.
• 1:22:01
  Now, I am having to catch up and all of WWE and Ew every week
• 1:22:08
  which and there's a lot of TV's cutout catch up with, but I'm
• 1:22:11
  now appearing on the against the mat podcast can find it on
• 1:22:15
  Spotify and not sure where else but you can find it online
• 1:22:19
  search against the mat podcast and I appear on it.
• 1:22:22
  Every single Monday, August, that's when I record it.
• 1:22:27
  And yeah, I have some controversial opinions,
• 1:22:31
  sometimes about wrestling. So if you like wrestling, then
• 1:22:35
  go check it out. Anyway.
• 1:22:39
  Bring it back to this episode 2 years wrapping a bow on this
• 1:22:43
  two-year anniversary podcast. Well, firstly once again,
• 1:22:48
  massive thank-you and shout out to Bill Maher for all these
• 1:22:52
  wonderful questions and for supporting the show and just
• 1:22:55
  being brilliant. Thank you so much means the
• 1:22:58
  world to me. Thank you to everyone that's
• 1:23:00
  ever listen to an episode of the podcast.
• 1:23:02
  Thank you to all the guests that have appeared on the show.
• 1:23:07
  Thank you, Deborah. One that supported me just in
• 1:23:09
  general and yeah, keep listening keep watching the podcast.
• 1:23:18
  The Best Is Yet To Come. Thanks for listening guys.
• 1:23:22
  Be safe. Be well and I'll see you in the
• 1:23:25
  next one.