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Teen Girl Dies After Botched Enhancement Surgery · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A teenage girl dead after
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Speaker 1: botched breast augmentation. Why is a teen girl getting breast implants?
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Speaker 1: To start with, that's a question making a life changing
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Speaker 1: decision as a teen. But why did she have to die?
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Speaker 1: Is it true that the doctor waited five hours before
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Speaker 1: calling nine one one? Is that true? Right now? More
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Speaker 1: questions than answers. But let's get some answers. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us here on Fox Nation and series XM one eleven.
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Speaker 1: If you think I won't go after a medical doctor,
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Speaker 1: You're very wrong. I don't like people that have all
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Speaker 1: the money, all the education, all the privilege, all the
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Speaker 1: respect somehow ducking lady justice when she comes the knocking.
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Speaker 1: First of all, I want you to hear the nine
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Speaker 1: one one call, and let me remind you this is
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Speaker 1: always one of the first things I would play for
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Speaker 1: a jury, because I don'tlike any opening statement or any
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Speaker 1: judges instructions, or any witness on the stand or any
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Speaker 1: picture I could show them. The nine one one call
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Speaker 1: takes you to the moment of the incident. It's real,
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Speaker 1: it's unadulterated. It cannot be edited airbrushed. You hear what's
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Speaker 1: happening in the moment as it happened at the time
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Speaker 1: of the incident, and in this case, when a nineteen
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Speaker 1: year old girl was lying on a gurney suffering from
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Speaker 1: a botched breast job, a boom job. Listen the address
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Speaker 1: of your emergency seventy one eighty. What's been East Orchard Road? Okay,
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Speaker 1: don't exactly what happened? Two zero six, this sweet two
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Speaker 1: zero six. Okay, come exactly what happened? Yeah, Well, we
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Speaker 1: have a patient two was anesthetized forum surgery and she
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Speaker 1: had a brief a sisterly and we need her transported
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Speaker 1: to the d R. And your names Rex Meeker, all right,
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Speaker 1: recrob got help him away? Okay for a nine one
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Speaker 1: one emergency call. He didn't sound like there was any
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Speaker 1: emergency going on. And look again, I'm just a JD,
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Speaker 1: not an MD. But I really want to know what
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Speaker 1: is a brief assistly, that's my first question. And for
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Speaker 1: that answer before I answer us everybody, I want to
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Speaker 1: bring in a well known expert and plastic surgery. You
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Speaker 1: know him well from botched. I don't know if you
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Speaker 1: haven't seen or at least heard of Botched. You've obviously
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Speaker 1: been living under a rock in a cave. Not just
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Speaker 1: in a cave. We're not just under a rock, but
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Speaker 1: under a rock in a cave. Doctor Terry Dubro is
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Speaker 1: with us, medical doctor, star of Botched and seven years Stitch,
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Speaker 1: author of Doctor and Missus Guinea Pig Present. The only
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Speaker 1: guy you'll ever need to the best anti aging treatments.
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Speaker 1: Now I found out what that was. He and his
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Speaker 1: wife are the guinea pigs, and they test all these
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Speaker 1: theories and regiments and products on themselves. That said, doctor Debro,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. I'm going
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Speaker 1: to get away from the guinea pig facet of your
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Speaker 1: practice and focus on the medical doctorate degree that you have.
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Speaker 1: I don't understand what happened here, but first of all,
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Speaker 1: my question is what's an Assistently? Because this guy, whoever
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Speaker 1: Rex is, it doesn't seem very concerned that this teen girl,
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Speaker 1: it says, who was anesthetized for a surgery. That means
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Speaker 1: you're under I think that's what that means. You're under
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Speaker 1: anesthesia and had a brief assistily, what's that? Okay? So,
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Speaker 1: Rex Meeker, that's the nurse anesthetist that actually was the
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Speaker 1: person who put that patient, that nineteen year old under anesthesia.
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Speaker 1: When he did that, the patient had either a reaction
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Speaker 1: or they walked out of the room. That's what the
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Speaker 1: allegation is, that they walked out of the room after
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Speaker 1: giving anesthesia. Well, you mean the anesthetist walk out of
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Speaker 1: the room. That's the allegation at the criminal complaint. But
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Speaker 1: what's an assistily? What does that mean? Asistly is when
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Speaker 1: the heart stops, no cardiac rhythm, there's no oxygenave blood
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Speaker 1: being pumped to the body or the brain, and if
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Speaker 1: it's long enough before you start getting the heart pumping again,
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Speaker 1: you've deprived the brain of oxygen and has occurred in
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Speaker 1: this case, Nancy, she went into an irreversible coma. Oh okay,
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Speaker 1: you're actually jack. I mean it may need a doct
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Speaker 1: right now because I'm actually getting a chest pain. Because
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Speaker 1: this is just a little girl. I don't know why
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Speaker 1: this little girl is having I guess breast implants. Nicole
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Speaker 1: Parton within Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter Nicole, was
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Speaker 1: it breast enhancement? Was she getting implants? That's correct? Why
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Speaker 1: does a tain girl need implants. Okay, just told on
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Speaker 1: just a moment, Just a moment, a tain girl getting implants.
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Speaker 1: First of all, before I go to all the other guests,
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Speaker 1: who are incredible guests, Doctor Jerry Cross and psychologists, I
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Speaker 1: need a shrink desperately. Doctor Jorry is faculty Saint Leo University.
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Speaker 1: He is a consultant with blue Wall Institute, and he
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Speaker 1: is an author of Operation to Sas. I could go
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Speaker 1: on and on, but doctor Jorry Cross, and who would
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Speaker 1: encourage a teen girl, Doctor Jerry. Last night I was
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Speaker 1: up till I don't know what time, reviewing and correcting
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Speaker 1: and helping my twins, John David and Lucy on an
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Speaker 1: essay they had to write for school. Now. The essay
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Speaker 1: had to be point counterpoint, had to be X number
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Speaker 1: of paragraphs. I think it was five or eight. And
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Speaker 1: John David's was on Oh, his was on adding supplements
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Speaker 1: and enhancements to food. You'll be happy to know he
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Speaker 1: was against it to make it grow faster or bigger
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Speaker 1: or basically genetically engineered. Lucy, which I found was really
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Speaker 1: interesting she would pick this out was whether miners should
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Speaker 1: be able to get tattoos and body piercings. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: She wanted her earspiers when she was three, during my
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Speaker 1: brief stint on Dancing with the Stars, we were in
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Speaker 1: California and she suddenly wanted ear rings and makeup, ear
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Speaker 1: piercings and makeup. She had been in somebody's sandbox for
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Speaker 1: one hour and came and told me she wanted ear
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Speaker 1: piercings and makeup. Okay. I managed to fight that off
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Speaker 1: until she was twelve, and then there was you know,
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Speaker 1: I had nothing. She got her earspiers. But doctor Joy,
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Speaker 1: why would anyone encourage a teen girl to make that
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Speaker 1: kind of decision? Even my little girl, who was fourteen.
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Speaker 1: At the end of her essay, I was holding my breath, said,
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Speaker 1: this is a decision that should not be made by
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Speaker 1: miners because it is a life changing decision. Miners are
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Speaker 1: not supposed to buy cars, or enter into college tracks,
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Speaker 1: or by alcohol or tobacco for a reason, because their
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Speaker 1: minds are not fully developed, and a tattoo or a
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Speaker 1: body piercing can be a lifelong decision. Even my little girl,
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Speaker 1: hey just got out of the seventh grade for Pete's Satan,
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Speaker 1: knows that who would encourage a teen girl to get
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Speaker 1: a big job well, when I was in private practice
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Speaker 1: here with the psychiatrist, we did evaluations on patients that
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Speaker 1: were referred to us that we're going to have cosmetic surgery.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes the surgeon would say, you know, I want them
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Speaker 1: checked out to make sure that you know, they know
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Speaker 1: fully what they're doing. An eighteen year older to peers.
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Speaker 1: You know, from what I read that she was saving
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Speaker 1: up money. So this was something that she had thought about,
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Speaker 1: had been planning for some time, you know, and that
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Speaker 1: could be brought about by you know, her friends or
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Speaker 1: peer pressure, could have been bought brought about by various
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Speaker 1: you know, marketing techniques that they're exposed to. You know.
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Speaker 1: Not everyone that makes that decision does it for wrong
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Speaker 1: or mental health problems. You know. Some of them look
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Speaker 1: at it and they make the decision understanding the full
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Speaker 1: consequences of what it's going to do. It's almost like, said,
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Speaker 1: a coping mechanism, just trying to figure out what people
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Speaker 1: around this young girl went along with her decision to
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Speaker 1: get breast implants. Joining me right now, a very special guest.
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Speaker 1: It's David Woodruff, high profile lawyer joining us out of Denver.
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Speaker 1: He's the founding member of the Denver trial lawyers at
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Speaker 1: Denver Trial Lawyers dot com. Very well respected in the
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Speaker 1: Colorado area and beyond. David Woodruff is representing the family
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Speaker 1: of this girl. I guess you can tell by now
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Speaker 1: this teen girl passed away. Hey, David Woodruff, hold on
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Speaker 1: one moment, I want you to hear more of the
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Speaker 1: nine one one called by re you question for you.
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Speaker 1: Are you with the patient? Now? I am how old?
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Speaker 1: Is the patient eighteen? Awake? She's not, she's not conscious.
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Speaker 1: We've evaluated her and um, we've we are estimating a
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Speaker 1: Glasgow score of six or seven? Is she breathing? Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: she's breathing. Well, Um, she'll keep a SAT of about
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Speaker 1: ninety five on room erica. Although we um, what's the
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Speaker 1: name of the practice Colorado Aesthetic and Plastic Surgery. And
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Speaker 1: is this called a result of an evaluation by a
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Speaker 1: nurse or doctor? Yeah, I'm a CRNA. Okay, all right?
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Speaker 1: Can doctor Kim has been here? Okay? Is the fact
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Speaker 1: that the patients uncon a southern unexpected changes are usual conditions? Yes? Okay,
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Speaker 1: hold on, David Woodroff, you and r j DS I
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Speaker 1: need an MD again. Doctor Terry Dubrow is with me.
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Speaker 1: You may know him from botched or seven years stitch
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Speaker 1: on a doctor dubro. What is a glass cow of
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Speaker 1: six or seven? What does that mean? So? Glasgow coma
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Speaker 1: scale measures to your brain activity, and when you're normally
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Speaker 1: you're fifteen when you're wide awake. When you're in a coma,
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Speaker 1: you're six or seven, meaning you have no eye opening,
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Speaker 1: you're not responding to command. Basically, your body is functioning
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Speaker 1: in that your lungs are working, you're heart pumping, but
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Speaker 1: you have no real noticeable brain activity. You are in
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Speaker 1: a vegetative state or a comma already and they're just
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Speaker 1: now calling nine one one. What does a cr in
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Speaker 1: a Okay, So there's two kinds of medical professionals they
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Speaker 1: can give you anesthesia. One that you're used to as
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Speaker 1: a certified anesthesiologists. Then there are also nurses that are
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Speaker 1: trained to give anesthesia under the supervision of a doctor.
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Speaker 1: And so in some surgery centers, in some hospitals, plastic
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Speaker 1: surgeons or other surgeons will use rather than board certified anesthesi'alls,
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Speaker 1: they will use nurses to give anesthesia. And that's what
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Speaker 1: mister Meeker it was. He was is a nurse anesthesia
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Speaker 1: provider oh, so in a means nurse anesthesiast that CRNA
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Speaker 1: certified Registered Nurse Anaesthesia anesthesia. Gotcha time stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace David Woodruff. I'm a criminal prosecutor, have the my
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Speaker 1: whole legal career. I don't know even a tiny percentage
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Speaker 1: of what you know about civil cases. But I don't
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Speaker 1: understand what went wrong at the outset. Can I tell
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Speaker 1: you who was a very dear friend of mine, Joan
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Speaker 1: Rivers loved her. I was in New York, David, where
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Speaker 1: I lived, and was going to go do a hit.
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Speaker 1: I remember exactly what it was with Debbie Norville. Deborah
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Speaker 1: Norville an Inside Edition, and Joan Rivers. I was in
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Speaker 1: the building walking to their studio, passed me in the
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Speaker 1: hall well. I nearly fainted, and I didn't think she
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Speaker 1: would remember me. When I first moved to New York,
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Speaker 1: I launched a show with the late great Johnny Cochrane
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Speaker 1: called Cochrane and Grace, and during that time Joan had
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Speaker 1: me on her late late night radiation show. She had
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Speaker 1: been thrown off. She had remember she had the night
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Speaker 1: talk show. I think she replaced No No. She started
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Speaker 1: a late night talk show and that ended and there
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Speaker 1: was a vedetta against her, and she was trying so
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Speaker 1: hard to make good and she ended up with a
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Speaker 1: radio show at like eleven o'clock at night. And I
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Speaker 1: had first gone to her studios to do her radio
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Speaker 1: show with her, and then we got to be friends.
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Speaker 1: And I passed her in the hall that day, and
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Speaker 1: do you know she spent I don't know how long
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Speaker 1: it must have been an hour talking about children, raising
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Speaker 1: children and her daughter Melissa. She was just the greatest lady.
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Speaker 1: And when I saw that Joe Rivers was having some minor,
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Speaker 1: minor surgery, cosmetic surgery, and died, I mean, it's gonna
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Speaker 1: be a cold day in h e double l before
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Speaker 1: I have anything done, no matter how much I might
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Speaker 1: need it. And I don't understand what a young girl
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Speaker 1: like your client's daughter, how this went so wrong. David Woodroff, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's a it's a really a huge travesty this story.
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Speaker 1: And the parents explain, you know, to answer your first
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Speaker 1: question about you know, what is it an eighteen year old,
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Speaker 1: a beautiful eighteen year old doing. We're just having brought
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Speaker 1: breast augmentation. That was my first question when when they
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Speaker 1: approached me about it. Now, breast augmentation means implants. Right
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Speaker 1: when you add augment, you augment, you add correct right
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Speaker 1: boob job? Yeah, okay, yes, it's breast implants. It's Terry,
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Speaker 1: it's breast implants. Yeah. Oh my goodness, David and doctor
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Speaker 1: Terry J. Bro I just I'm scrolling through pictures of
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Speaker 1: Emmelyn and I just hit one of her, all crumpled up,
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Speaker 1: kind of headed toward a fetal position in a nursing
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Speaker 1: home with her parents, fed via tube and hooked up
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Speaker 1: to an oxygen machine to breathe. And then right below that,
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Speaker 1: there she is on an earlier date, just gorgeous at
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Speaker 1: some restaurant. Just she looks like a model. Sorry, I
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Speaker 1: just saw that picture to just struck me. David woodch Off,
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Speaker 1: go ahead. The explanation that I was given by the parents.
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Speaker 1: Of course, this young lady was eighteen years old, so
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Speaker 1: parents don't really get it. You know that she's not
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Speaker 1: a miner anymore. They explained that she had been, as
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Speaker 1: as we've heard, saving up money. She had just graduated
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Speaker 1: from high school and had been working through high school,
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Speaker 1: saving up money for breast augmentation surgery. And I think
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Speaker 1: this is we can hear more from the psychologist who
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Speaker 1: can explain what girls are going through in our society
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Speaker 1: today that lead them to want this. But she's a
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Speaker 1: beautiful young lady. And do girls at this age need
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Speaker 1: to have breast augmentation? You know that's that's really a
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Speaker 1: different question than the legal question of why in the
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Speaker 1: world did she suffered this kind of injury and then
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Speaker 1: ultimately die from it. What do you think happened, doctor
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Speaker 1: du Bro? You just heard from the family's lawyer, high
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Speaker 1: profile lawyer, fantastic, pristine reputation, David Woodruff, Doctor du Bro,
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Speaker 1: I don't understand what went wrong. If a ten girl
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Speaker 1: can't get through a surgery, what about the rest of us?
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Speaker 1: I mean, what happened? Okay, so she never had the surgery, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: What happened was there's either one or two things that happened.
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Speaker 1: I looked at the medical Board's description and I looked
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Speaker 1: at the lawsuit, and the details are somewhere in between
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Speaker 1: the truth. But what happened was the doctor was out
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Speaker 1: of the room while the anesthesia was initially being given.
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Speaker 1: So the nurse Neestis gave some ver said, some propofil
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Speaker 1: and some fentinel, which are typical and giving me a
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Speaker 1: bad throwback. I'm having a flashback to Michael Jackson, profifile, right,
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Speaker 1: but this is the standard stuff we use is and
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Speaker 1: can be and should be very very safe. Now, one
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Speaker 1: of the allegations is that the nursinestis gave these medications
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Speaker 1: and left the room for fifteen minutes while the patient
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Speaker 1: was under. Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, doctor
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Speaker 1: de bro hold on, I'm trying to keep up with you. Okay,
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Speaker 1: but I don't speak your language of medical procedure because
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Speaker 1: I remember the last time I went under. Before I
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Speaker 1: went under, I said, where is doctor Barrell? And then
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Speaker 1: he just kind of like he must have been on
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Speaker 1: one of those roly chairs. He rolled over and looked
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Speaker 1: anyone here I am. I'm like, okay, and I remember saying,
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Speaker 1: remember Michael Jackson, okay, remember who's given the anesthesia, and
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Speaker 1: that guy rolled over on top of it right here.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I have twins that I need to raise.
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Speaker 1: Remember that. And then that's the last thing I remember.
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Speaker 1: I started counting backwards, and the next thing I knew,
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Speaker 1: I woke up. But I didn't know that the doctor
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Speaker 1: leaves once the anesthesia starts, because my doctor was right there,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Dubro, Well, you're not supposed to leave. So the
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Speaker 1: plastic surgeon wasn't even in the room yet. The anesthetis
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Speaker 1: started the anesthesia, and either the patient had a reaction
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Speaker 1: to the anesthesia or one of the allegations. The main
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Speaker 1: allegation is that the anesthetis left the room for fifteen minutes,
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Speaker 1: not monitoring the patients, and so the patients under anesthesia
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Speaker 1: they're not being monitored. They stop breathing, their heart then
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Speaker 1: stops depriving oxygen to the brain, and fifteen minutes later
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Speaker 1: one of the nurses notices that the patient is blue
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Speaker 1: and calls the anesthetis in. This is the allegation. Nestus
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Speaker 1: comes in starts resuscitation along with the plastic surgeon. They
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Speaker 1: get cardiac activity back, but the brain, because it's been
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Speaker 1: deprived of auction for too long a time now is
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Speaker 1: irreversibly damaged. And so although the patient was physically alive,
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Speaker 1: they were in a chronic vegetative state, meaning a coma
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Speaker 1: from which they never recovered. Guys, take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut three our friends at Fox thirty one. She
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Speaker 1: wouldn't for breast enhancement surgery something three hundred thousand women
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Speaker 1: do every year. It's supposed to be low risk, but
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Speaker 1: Emlyn will never be the same. Every single day for
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Speaker 1: the past four and a half months, Sonny Neuwen and
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Speaker 1: his wife Lynn Lamb take a few milar steps to
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Speaker 1: a hospital or to see their oldest child, knowing she
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Speaker 1: will likely never look back at them. Okay, we's right here, Okay,
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Speaker 1: all right here, okay. Eighteen year old Emmelyn will never
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Speaker 1: see the family photos in the wall where the words
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Speaker 1: of encouragement that seek a miracle. So we're hoping that
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Speaker 1: she does here that she recognized as our voice. So
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Speaker 1: that's what we're hoping. We try to believe that she
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Speaker 1: can hear us, but we just don't know. The room
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Speaker 1: with the feeding tube and the oxygen machine is Emmelyn's
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Speaker 1: entire world for as long as she may live. I
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Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be this way. It was not supposed
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Speaker 1: to be that way. Joining me Nicole Parton Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Nicole, what do you know so
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Speaker 1: beautiful Emmeline, as you said, the images of her, she's stunning,
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Speaker 1: eighteen years old, just out of high school, and so
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Speaker 1: her plans were to travel the world. She was just
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Speaker 1: starting into social media. She was wanting to become a
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Speaker 1: travel vlogger and go out videoing and vlogging about for
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Speaker 1: travels of the world. And the first start to this
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Speaker 1: big plan that she had was to have the breast augmentation.
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Speaker 1: She was wanting to feel better about herself, the report says,
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Speaker 1: wanting in her eyes, to look her very best. So
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Speaker 1: she had saved all through high school, wanted to get
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Speaker 1: this surgery and then wanted to travel the world and
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Speaker 1: video vlog about her travels. She had great, great desires
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Speaker 1: to do this. She was loved by her family, beautiful girl.
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Speaker 1: She had researched the doctor. Her family says that she
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Speaker 1: had went on web md and had researched and went
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Speaker 1: in for consultation and the doctor had said that she
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Speaker 1: was a candidate for this bilateral augmentation, and she followed
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Speaker 1: all the standard procedures the night before the surgery. But
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Speaker 1: tragically she never got to pursue her career in travel.
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Speaker 1: You know Dan Corsentino with me foreign Police chief from
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Speaker 1: her share of Homeland Security Senior Advisory Board now PI
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Speaker 1: at Dan Corsentino dot com. You know, no offense due bro.
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Speaker 1: But it's really hard to get anything out of doctors.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I have had so many homicide cases where
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Speaker 1: I deal with other doctors other than the medical examiner,
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Speaker 1: and I'm telling you just trying to get in their
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Speaker 1: office to meet with them. God forbid that I asked
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Speaker 1: them to come down to the courthouse. That's not going
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Speaker 1: to happen. But I mean, have you ever tried to
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Speaker 1: get a hold of a doctor as a witness and
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Speaker 1: make them sit still for just thirty minutes so you
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Speaker 1: can talk to them. Yeah, it's extremely difficult to make
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Speaker 1: contact with the physician, and from a law enforcement perspective,
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Speaker 1: that's where you start getting in with the prosecution. As
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Speaker 1: you know better than anybody. Trying to get the medical
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Speaker 1: records a position notes everything, and there's reasons for that,
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Speaker 1: of course. To David Woodrow, of high profile lawyer handling
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Speaker 1: the family's civil case in this, I mean there have
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Speaker 1: been times I've been trying a case where I get
23:52
Speaker 1: medical records during the trial, and of course I can't
23:56
Speaker 1: use them because they're considered scientific reports and there is
24:00
Speaker 1: a discovery a statue that the other side, the defense,
24:05
Speaker 1: has to get them X number of weeks before the trial.
24:08
Speaker 1: So you know, it was great reading, but I can't
24:11
Speaker 1: use any of it because it takes so long to
24:14
Speaker 1: get because typically the patient is protected, their privacy is protected.
24:20
Speaker 1: But it's really I mean, how many times have you
24:23
Speaker 1: tried to depose a doctor? Not you, of course, doctor Dubro,
24:26
Speaker 1: because you're perfect, but David Woodruff, I mean, help me.
24:31
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times I have taken
24:33
Speaker 1: depositions of doctors and found that medical records have been withheld,
24:39
Speaker 1: have altered, the doctor's testimony doesn't match up at all
24:45
Speaker 1: with the medical records. Hospitals often will go through in
24:50
Speaker 1: doctor records and take months to provide them to patients.
24:53
Speaker 1: It's a big issue. It's an issue we face in
24:55
Speaker 1: every lawsuit. And I've got to tell you again, not you,
24:58
Speaker 1: doctor Dubro, because you're but David, I have been in
25:03
Speaker 1: aggravated battery where somebody's lost an eyeball or an arm,
25:07
Speaker 1: or a leg, or a murder case when I would
25:11
Speaker 1: have the actual attending physician they try to save their life,
25:15
Speaker 1: come in. They fly in in their scrubs and they're
25:21
Speaker 1: like oh, and they're looking and they're like I gotta
25:23
Speaker 1: be I'm like listen. I haven't bothered you on purpose
25:27
Speaker 1: prior to this. We've only talked on the phone because
25:30
Speaker 1: I didn't want to disrupt your schedule and your patience.
25:33
Speaker 1: But you are here to testify, and you're gonna have
25:36
Speaker 1: to wait like everybody else. I'm gonna get you out
25:39
Speaker 1: as quickly as I can. But this is a murder trial, man,
25:43
Speaker 1: so you know, suck it up, little sister and get
25:46
Speaker 1: in there. I mean, at a certain point there are
25:51
Speaker 1: schedules which I know are insane, have to bend for justice,
25:57
Speaker 1: and I don't think they get it. And I'm reaching
26:00
Speaker 1: a point would because I don't know what really happened
26:04
Speaker 1: in that room with Aunt Emmelyn. I don't know how
26:07
Speaker 1: long she was left alone. I don't know if the
26:09
Speaker 1: doctor was ever in there. I don't know if she
26:11
Speaker 1: had a reaction to the propafal or something, or if
26:16
Speaker 1: she had some other incident choked. I don't know, because
26:20
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm going to get the truth
26:22
Speaker 1: from the medical professionals, and almost every time in a
26:26
Speaker 1: case like this, we don't get the full truth. And
26:28
Speaker 1: the doctors are prepared before giving their sworn testimony. They're
26:34
Speaker 1: carefully prepared by their lawyers to say precisely what the
26:37
Speaker 1: lawyer tells them to say. We almost never get the
26:41
Speaker 1: correct truth. Okay to you, Dodger, Terry, Debrah and Hey
26:45
Speaker 1: for the rest of the panel. I know I'm focusing
26:47
Speaker 1: on the doctor and the lawyer so much because I
26:50
Speaker 1: don't really understand the accacies of this what happened to emmlen.
26:55
Speaker 1: So when you have a thought, please jump in. Don't
26:58
Speaker 1: wait for me to come to you to do bro.
27:00
Speaker 1: Can I tell you what happened. My little nephew was
27:03
Speaker 1: about nine years old when a woman in a van
27:07
Speaker 1: ran over him and he had brain surgery to reduce
27:12
Speaker 1: swelling to the brain. And I was still prosecuting, and
27:17
Speaker 1: instead of having lunch I would go to the Scottish
27:20
Speaker 1: Rite Hospital every day to see him and be with him.
27:26
Speaker 1: And I remember a little boy specifically. It was in
27:31
Speaker 1: the eighth grade. He've been playing B team football and
27:37
Speaker 1: was going to be a quadriplegic forever because of some
27:41
Speaker 1: injury he had. And I mean when I said that,
27:46
Speaker 1: I mean his whole life over what one play on
27:49
Speaker 1: a football field. Long story short, the family, they had
27:54
Speaker 1: all the pictures up on the wall and they would
27:57
Speaker 1: try to talk to him and trying to encourage him.
28:02
Speaker 1: And I hear the family here in the room with
28:06
Speaker 1: the pictures on the wall. This is before she passed away,
28:09
Speaker 1: trying to encourage Immelan. And it's heartbreaking. And this didn't
28:14
Speaker 1: have to happen, doctor de bro. Now you know it
28:16
Speaker 1: didn't have to happen. But in this case, there is
28:19
Speaker 1: a lot of evidence. First of all, you have to
28:21
Speaker 1: understand the medical board as an immediate evaluation when there's
28:25
Speaker 1: been a major Do you trust them, doctor Dubro. I
28:28
Speaker 1: mean they're doctors governing other doctors that they probably know well.
28:33
Speaker 1: I'm a certified expert for the California Medical Board. I
28:36
Speaker 1: can tell you the California Medical Board and the Colorado
28:39
Speaker 1: Medical Board where this occurred, is run by the Attorney
28:42
Speaker 1: General's Office. Now, so these are the police that are
28:46
Speaker 1: running the medical board. So these doctors are interviewed the records.
28:50
Speaker 1: You are required to submit the records when the medical
28:54
Speaker 1: Board asked for them, within two weeks, otherwise you will
28:56
Speaker 1: be sanctioned. So you do submit. I'm not saying they're
28:59
Speaker 1: necessarily perfectly after it, but and then you're interviewed, and
29:03
Speaker 1: then there was a civil lawsuit, and you have to
29:05
Speaker 1: understand are you ready for this? Even though there was
29:09
Speaker 1: just an indictment, there was just an arrest made for
29:14
Speaker 1: reckless manslaughter and first first degree assault. The medical board
29:19
Speaker 1: in the last two years put the doctor on probation only.
29:24
Speaker 1: So the doctor has been practicing for the last two
29:26
Speaker 1: years and the anesthetis the nurse anesthetist just surrendered their license.
29:33
Speaker 1: So this doctor for the last two years has been
29:35
Speaker 1: on probation and they the rules of probation have been
29:39
Speaker 1: the doctor has to take an ethics course. Oh please, yeah,
29:43
Speaker 1: they take an ethics course, an ethics course, and has
29:46
Speaker 1: to have a anesthesiologist a doctor doing the anesthesia. But
29:51
Speaker 1: other than that there has been without any restriction. And
29:57
Speaker 1: now finally they have made a civil complaint against the
30:00
Speaker 1: doctor and the nurse. Crime stories with Nancy Grace David Woodruff.
30:22
Speaker 1: The world needs lawyers like you. The world needs doctors
30:27
Speaker 1: like doctor Dubrow who will speak the truth. Because I
30:31
Speaker 1: can't even tell you how many jury trials I've tried,
30:35
Speaker 1: but I don't understand the intricacies of a medical medmal
30:40
Speaker 1: case like you do. But I can tell you this.
30:45
Speaker 1: After this little girl dies, he the doctor gets to
30:52
Speaker 1: keep practicing medicine. Did I hear that right? Woodruff? Yeah?
30:58
Speaker 1: You did. And it's it's a greedious isn't it. The
31:01
Speaker 1: way that system works is a doctor can hire a lawyer.
31:04
Speaker 1: When the medical board, you know, sends him a notice
31:07
Speaker 1: that they're suspending his license pending permanent revocation, he hires
31:12
Speaker 1: a lawyer. The lawyer fights with the medical board and
31:16
Speaker 1: fights with the Attorney General's office. And just like in
31:18
Speaker 1: the criminal world, Nancy, as you've seen a million times,
31:21
Speaker 1: there is a compromise. It's sort of like a plea deal.
31:25
Speaker 1: And the plea deal is he takes he's put on probation.
31:29
Speaker 1: He is required to have an anesthesiologist perform anesthesia instead
31:35
Speaker 1: of a nurse. But she probably should have done to
31:38
Speaker 1: start with. I mean, I guess twenty twenty hindsight, obviously
31:43
Speaker 1: something went very very wrong. I mean, what's your theory,
31:46
Speaker 1: David Woodruff. Did she have a reaction or did they
31:49
Speaker 1: simply leave her alone like Michael Jackson was left alone
31:53
Speaker 1: by Conrad Murray and he died. Yeah, both, it's both.
31:56
Speaker 1: We had an estusiology experts review the case. A nurse
32:00
Speaker 1: anesthetist here appears to have given Emmelyn a dose of anesthesia.
32:07
Speaker 1: This cocktail probe fallen verse head and sentinel for a
32:12
Speaker 1: patient about three times her weight, and that is ultimately
32:16
Speaker 1: what caused her to stop breathing. It's actually a well
32:19
Speaker 1: known thing that you can and what's called snowing a patient,
32:22
Speaker 1: put him to sleep right away, and that it speeds
32:25
Speaker 1: things up, get her under anesthesia quickly, and you can
32:28
Speaker 1: get her going more quickly. But intent, yep, snow and
32:35
Speaker 1: a patient. It's a known thing, and it comes with
32:39
Speaker 1: the risk that the patient will stop breathing. And so
32:42
Speaker 1: of course if the doctor and the and the anesthesiologist
32:46
Speaker 1: or nurse and neesthetist is paying attention. As soon as
32:49
Speaker 1: the patient stops breathing, alarms on the anesthesia machine starts sounding,
32:54
Speaker 1: they know immediately and they can do, as Terry can explain,
32:57
Speaker 1: a jaw thrust which gets her either again and it's
33:00
Speaker 1: a scary five seconds, but it she'll start breathing again
33:04
Speaker 1: right away. The catch here was that neither the plastic
33:09
Speaker 1: surgeon nor the nurse anesthetist was paying attention. They had
33:13
Speaker 1: turned the sound off or the volume on the alarm
33:16
Speaker 1: stors why and so and so yeah, that's the question
33:21
Speaker 1: is why. And you know, maybe Terry, maybe you can
33:25
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the irritation of hearing alarms
33:28
Speaker 1: going off on an anesthesia machine and how reckless it
33:32
Speaker 1: is me. They're more irritated. Now, Yeah, Terry, don't do
33:36
Speaker 1: bro tell me. I can't bring myself to say Terry
33:39
Speaker 1: to a medical doctor. Go ahead, call the doctors. You
33:42
Speaker 1: can call me anything you want. Let me. Let me
33:43
Speaker 1: just tell you something. You don't wait for the alarms
33:46
Speaker 1: to tell you anything. You can see on the monitor
33:49
Speaker 1: that the auction saturation is starting to go down, right,
33:53
Speaker 1: and you don't need to wait for it to get
33:55
Speaker 1: the critical levels before you say, oh, there's an issue,
33:58
Speaker 1: you immediately take countermeasures to reverse that. You intibate the patient,
34:04
Speaker 1: You give them something. Say that when you say antibate,
34:07
Speaker 1: you means put the tube down their mouth, down their throat. Right,
34:10
Speaker 1: you have a Nancy ninety five percent of surgery. It's
34:13
Speaker 1: done that way. I mean, it's the safest way is
34:16
Speaker 1: to control the airway. So you don't need to wait
34:20
Speaker 1: for the alarms. If you're waiting for the alarms, you're
34:24
Speaker 1: not paying attention. Okay, maybe because you're not in the rim. Yeah,
34:28
Speaker 1: they're not in the room. I mean, if you're in
34:30
Speaker 1: the room and you're you're looking at the monitor, whether
34:34
Speaker 1: you turn the alarms off or not. And by the way,
34:36
Speaker 1: you can't completely turn the auction saturation alarm off. It
34:40
Speaker 1: won't let you. So it's by the time the alarm
34:44
Speaker 1: for oxygen saturation is going off, the patient is that
34:49
Speaker 1: is almost dead. And that's what happened in this case.
34:52
Speaker 1: The auction saturation went down so low the patient's heart
34:56
Speaker 1: rate started to plummet, which is the end of life.
35:00
Speaker 1: So this is an unattended, unobserved, inappropriately modern patient who
35:06
Speaker 1: they basically just ignored and they let's stop reading. That's
35:10
Speaker 1: just the beginning dot Jorji bro. Because after the incident
35:18
Speaker 1: where the oxygen saturation and what that means, everybody says, COVID,
35:23
Speaker 1: you know about the oxygen sat as I call it
35:26
Speaker 1: clip you can put on your finger and it says
35:29
Speaker 1: what a pulse like seminar correct and it may say
35:33
Speaker 1: ninety five, right, mate, Say that tells you the saturation
35:37
Speaker 1: of oxygen in your blood. Anyway, that's what that means,
35:42
Speaker 1: but that's not where it ended. Take a listen our
35:46
Speaker 1: cut five our friends at Fox thirty one. Woodrofe says
35:49
Speaker 1: the staff use CPR to restore Emelin's heartbeat, but then
35:53
Speaker 1: he says they did something unforgivable and they leave her
35:56
Speaker 1: there on the operating room table for five and a
35:59
Speaker 1: half hours and don't call nine one one for five
36:02
Speaker 1: and a half hours, while Emmalyn's mother sits in the
36:04
Speaker 1: waiting room unaware of what's happening. The doctor finally came
36:07
Speaker 1: out back out to tell me that I wasn't able
36:09
Speaker 1: to go back back there to check up on her.
36:13
Speaker 1: But she's still doing fine. She's young. Maybe that's the
36:16
Speaker 1: reason why she's taking longer to wake up. You don't
36:18
Speaker 1: let my daughter sit day because you thought you're gonna
36:20
Speaker 1: wake up. Emmalyn never did wake up, and m R
36:23
Speaker 1: shows permanent brain damage. Her heart works, but only with
36:27
Speaker 1: artificial help. Our body is still there, but she's not there,
36:33
Speaker 1: so we feel like we lost a daughter. I just
36:37
Speaker 1: want to find out the truth what happened and preventing
36:40
Speaker 1: this film happening to other people. And I want to
36:43
Speaker 1: find out the truth to go out and tell the parents.
36:46
Speaker 1: She's not coming out of annestasia, She's not waking up
36:49
Speaker 1: very quickly because she's young. What does what does that
36:52
Speaker 1: mean when you don't come out of anestasia very quickly,
36:54
Speaker 1: doctor Debra, It means that your brain has been injured.
36:57
Speaker 1: It means it either means that there's two much anesthesia
37:01
Speaker 1: and you can't reverse it. Now, there are chemical agents.
37:04
Speaker 1: If you give too much anesthesia, you can reverse that.
37:07
Speaker 1: So maybe you give a couple of doses, you wait
37:10
Speaker 1: a few seconds. If they don't wake up right away,
37:14
Speaker 1: some things need to be done. Now. I will tell
37:16
Speaker 1: you if a patient goes into a sistly, meaning their
37:19
Speaker 1: heart is not pumping at all, you automatically call nine
37:24
Speaker 1: one one, because even if you can revive them, even
37:27
Speaker 1: if you can immediately wake them up, they need to
37:29
Speaker 1: go to the emergency or to be checked out. So
37:31
Speaker 1: this is wherein lies the criminality, the fact that they
37:35
Speaker 1: just ignored it, hoped and prayed and they were in
37:38
Speaker 1: a state of denial that the patient was under too
37:42
Speaker 1: much anesthesia for five and a half hours, which is
37:44
Speaker 1: not a possibility. So this is where the criminal case
37:48
Speaker 1: will target, the sort of reckless nature of the follow
37:53
Speaker 1: up and the lack of calling for emergency services. D
37:58
Speaker 1: How does she ultimately this little girl, a tang girl.
38:02
Speaker 1: How did she die? She suffered such a catastrophic brain
38:05
Speaker 1: injury that she could not recover. So one of the
38:09
Speaker 1: massive problems with the patients with an oxic brain injuries
38:13
Speaker 1: face is that their immune system is compromised. They don't
38:16
Speaker 1: breathe deeply enough. They're often on ventilated their ventilateds meaning
38:21
Speaker 1: a machine's breathing for him. Emmelin ultimately developed pneumonia eleven
38:26
Speaker 1: months after this happened, and she had been basically catatonic
38:29
Speaker 1: for eleven months and was unable to recover from her pneumonia.
38:34
Speaker 1: And now another update takes Listen to our cut twelve
38:38
Speaker 1: our friends at nine news KUSA. This week, the Arapaho
38:42
Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office arrested Kim. He faces one count of
38:45
Speaker 1: first degree aggravated assault and criminally negligent homicide. Rex Meeker
38:50
Speaker 1: is facing a manslaughter charge. There are very few criminal
38:53
Speaker 1: cases filed against surgeons for bosched operations, and it tells
38:58
Speaker 1: us if there's something more going on here than just
39:01
Speaker 1: mere negligence. Nine News legal expert Scott Robinson says, well,
39:05
Speaker 1: charges against a doctor are not uncommon. The degree of
39:08
Speaker 1: the charges are first reassault convictions are serious business, indeed,
39:12
Speaker 1: and they typically involve a minimum mandatory sentence and double
39:18
Speaker 1: digit prison time. Emmelyn's family knows the criminal case won't
39:23
Speaker 1: bring their daughter back, but they hope what happened between
39:26
Speaker 1: these four walls never happens again. They don't want any
39:30
Speaker 1: other family to ever go through this kind of trauma.
39:32
Speaker 1: So let me understand, David Woodroff, the homicide charge is
39:36
Speaker 1: based on what I guess, extreme indifference to human life.
39:40
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. So in Colorado, homicide is best basically
39:44
Speaker 1: defined as recklessly causing the death of another person, and
39:47
Speaker 1: reckless is defined as an act when a person consciously
39:51
Speaker 1: disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that a result will occur.
39:58
Speaker 1: In other words, not calling nine one one knowing this
40:02
Speaker 1: patient has gone into ace sicily or cardiac arrest twice
40:06
Speaker 1: and not calling nine one one is consciously disregarding the
40:11
Speaker 1: fact that she is going to suffer permanent injury or
40:14
Speaker 1: death if she does not get immediate Level one emergency
40:17
Speaker 1: care and then cool parton Crime online dot Com investigative reporter,
40:21
Speaker 1: is it true that not only did he not call
40:24
Speaker 1: nine one one, he refused requests by others in the
40:30
Speaker 1: practice to call nine one one. He wouldn't do it. Absolutely.
40:34
Speaker 1: So it was early in the day, about two fifteen,
40:38
Speaker 1: so she was taken back to the operating room at
40:40
Speaker 1: one forty five, around two o'clock to anaesthesia begins. It's
40:45
Speaker 1: about two fifteen when a nurse comes in, finds her
40:49
Speaker 1: lips are blue, calls the doctor and says, we need
40:53
Speaker 1: to call nine one one. It's at that point he
40:57
Speaker 1: refuses to call nine one one. At five and a
41:00
Speaker 1: half hours later that they make the phone call. Oh
41:04
Speaker 1: you know, Dan Korsentino, Foreign police Chief now PI Dan
41:09
Speaker 1: Corcentino dot com. The only way to really find out
41:13
Speaker 1: what happened that day is to crack somebody that worked
41:17
Speaker 1: there in the practice at that time. Maybe they're gone now,
41:21
Speaker 1: maybe they've gone to another job. Maybe they're still there,
41:24
Speaker 1: and you've got to wait for them to walk out
41:26
Speaker 1: and hit them with a subpoena. I've done it. I've
41:28
Speaker 1: hidden between SUVs and wait for people to come out
41:30
Speaker 1: of their office and literally jump out and go, Hi,
41:33
Speaker 1: it's you, Grace here, Saspina, ma'am. And I had to
41:36
Speaker 1: do it because there was no other way for me
41:38
Speaker 1: to give them absolutely you're going to wait and you
41:41
Speaker 1: want to make that connection without individual for the interview
41:46
Speaker 1: and pull them aside and try and get as much
41:49
Speaker 1: information as you can or invite them to coffee. Whatever
41:53
Speaker 1: it's going to take. You got to reduce the fear
41:55
Speaker 1: level that probe themselves are going to be some how
42:00
Speaker 1: directly involved. It better show up with a subpoena, subpoena
42:05
Speaker 1: and a subpoena Dick is taken for documents if they
42:07
Speaker 1: have any Nobody wants a cup of coffee. Okay, you
42:11
Speaker 1: can try the nice approach. You know, better have sugar
42:14
Speaker 1: than vinegar, but good luck with the coffee. The way
42:19
Speaker 1: Saint Nancy though, is yeah, I understand when you get
42:23
Speaker 1: issue that subpoena subpoena dishes take them. You want all
42:26
Speaker 1: the information. You want the lab work to medications, the
42:29
Speaker 1: annathesia logue to create that timeline of inconsistency from what
42:34
Speaker 1: the doctors saying, what the nurses saying, to what the
42:37
Speaker 1: facts are as you're going to try and extract them.
42:40
Speaker 1: That's going to be the foundation of everything. Doctor Jory,
42:43
Speaker 1: I just doctor Jorry Crows and joining me. Psychologist Faculty,
42:47
Speaker 1: Saint Leo University what can you how do you what
42:53
Speaker 1: do you tell the parents? How do that you get
42:55
Speaker 1: them through what's happening. I mean they haven't been able
42:57
Speaker 1: to greet because this doctor and the nurse and esthetists
43:02
Speaker 1: have not been brought to justice. Yeah, they they've had
43:05
Speaker 1: a long period of time to try to process this
43:09
Speaker 1: and make sense. And I can only imagine the frustration
43:13
Speaker 1: that they've encountered on a daily basis by not getting answers,
43:17
Speaker 1: by not getting cooperation, by getting you know, stonewalled. Hopefully
43:23
Speaker 1: the criminal justice and the civil justice system will give
43:27
Speaker 1: them the answers. I mean, they're starting to come out now,
43:30
Speaker 1: and that's helping, you know, kind of ring closure, bring
43:34
Speaker 1: some kind of comprehension to what took place in the
43:38
Speaker 1: last moments of their daughter's life. Doctor Dubreux, everybody you
43:42
Speaker 1: can find doctor dubrou at doctor dubro brow dot com.
43:49
Speaker 1: You know, when I see a case where a lawyer
43:52
Speaker 1: has done some horrible thing, I'm embarrassed. I'm personally embarrassed
43:58
Speaker 1: because it makes us all look horrible. I'm mortified. I
44:03
Speaker 1: sometimes wish I hadn't even read about it. That's why
44:06
Speaker 1: they have so many lawyer jokes Okay, we know why,
44:09
Speaker 1: because lawyers deserve every joke told about them. You're not
44:14
Speaker 1: just a plastic surgeon, but one of the most famous
44:18
Speaker 1: plastic surgeons there are in the US. How does this
44:23
Speaker 1: make you feel when you hear about one of your
44:26
Speaker 1: brethren doing something like this refusing to call nine one one.
44:30
Speaker 1: It's bad enough what happened, but then to say no,
44:32
Speaker 1: we're not going to call nine one yet, Well, it's
44:34
Speaker 1: grossly incompetent. You know. I've been a certified expert for
44:37
Speaker 1: the California Medical Board for twenty one years, reviewing doctor's
44:41
Speaker 1: conduct every single year in cases exactly like this, And
44:46
Speaker 1: what I don't really understand is when there's been such
44:49
Speaker 1: gross levels of incompetence, why they allow the doctor just
44:54
Speaker 1: to get a slap in the hand and get probation
44:57
Speaker 1: with an ethics course, allowed to continue practice practicing medicine.
45:03
Speaker 1: I mean, you know the first rule of being a physician,
45:05
Speaker 1: you say it the day you graduate med school is first,
45:08
Speaker 1: do no harm. And to have a cardiac arrest twice
45:15
Speaker 1: and have and not be able to get the patient
45:18
Speaker 1: awake and not call nine one one is such a
45:21
Speaker 1: gross level of incompetence that I don't know why a
45:25
Speaker 1: medical board wouldn't just say, Okay, no matter what, your
45:27
Speaker 1: license is suspended right now, period, end of story. We're
45:31
Speaker 1: not letting you practice, and then let the smoke clear,
45:35
Speaker 1: get all the records, figure out what happened. It shouldn't
45:38
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have to depend on the criminal justice system
45:42
Speaker 1: two years after the incident to really get to the
45:46
Speaker 1: details and really figure out whether it's doctor and the
45:48
Speaker 1: medical team should be allowed to continue practice medicine. So
45:52
Speaker 1: I don't really understand what happened. I'd like to know
45:56
Speaker 1: more details. This was the case I was reviewing for
45:58
Speaker 1: the California Medical Board. I would give my usual recommendation,
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Speaker 1: which is this is an extreme deviation from the stand
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Speaker 1: of pere who shows a gross incomfidence and fundamental lack
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Speaker 1: of knowledge, and the doctor should be suspended. And so
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Speaker 1: I don't know that. The only good news now is
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Speaker 1: once there is a criminal indictment that does go back
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Speaker 1: to the medical board, and the medical board typically at
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Speaker 1: least in California, will suspend a doctor until that criminal
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Speaker 1: case has been adjudicated. I'll tell you, David Woodruff, I
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Speaker 1: do not envy you. Wish you so much luck with this.
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Speaker 1: You know, here's a problem David for me. Anyway, Jurys
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Speaker 1: love medical doctors love them. You're going to have to
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Speaker 1: fight fire with fire because you've got to bring in
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Speaker 1: another great doctor h Debro to make the jury love
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Speaker 1: him or her. Because when this guy comes in, you
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Speaker 1: know he's going to be very persuasive and likable. And
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, David Woodruffe, you got your work
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Speaker 1: cut out for you, and God speed. I cannot even
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Speaker 1: imagine what these parents have gone through, probably blaming themselves
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Speaker 1: thinking every day, what could I have done differently? I
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Speaker 1: shouldn't have let her do it? How are they, David.
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Speaker 1: They're devastated, as you can expect. They missed their daughter tremendously.
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Speaker 1: They regret every day having her go to doctor Kim
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Speaker 1: and his practice. You know, they wish they could go
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Speaker 1: back and do this all again and discourage her. Oh,
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Speaker 1: Dear Lord in Heaven be with this family. Good luck
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Speaker 1: to you, David Woodruffe, Doctor Joy, Dan Corcentino, Nicole, thank
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Speaker 1: you for letting me speak so much with doctor Dubreux
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Speaker 1: and David Woodruff. Doctor Dubreux, I'll see you on the airwaves.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,