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#41: Hackers again, Döner, Die Linke campaign SNAFU · 20 Percent Berlin Podcast

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SPEAKER_00: Okay, hello and welcome to the 20 Percent Berlin Podcast,
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SPEAKER_00: the Companion Podcast, the 20 Percent Berlin Newsletter.
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SPEAKER_00: I am co-writer, co-founder, co-editor, co-data guy, co-sound producer, Andrew Bulkeley.
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SPEAKER_01: Co-fact checker.
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SPEAKER_00: Co-fact checker.
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SPEAKER_01: Co-proof reader.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm joined this week as always by... Maurice Franklin.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: Hey, how's your, how's your, you were on vacation, man.
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SPEAKER_01: Nah, I mean,
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SPEAKER_01: it was just a little,
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SPEAKER_01: little hike with the boys out in the mountains of the Czech Republic.
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SPEAKER_01: We climbed up the highest mountain in the Czech Republic called Snezka.
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SPEAKER_00: Do you prefer Czechia or Czech Republic?
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SPEAKER_01: Czech Republic, because I don't know how to say Czechia.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't think, it's weird that that's like suddenly appearing.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like a woke word, this Czechia, like the woke people are using.
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SPEAKER_00: The people who say US, the people who say US American are saying Czechia.
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SPEAKER_01: It's like Turquia.
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SPEAKER_00: Turquia?
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SPEAKER_01: You haven't heard about that?
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SPEAKER_00: I've never heard an English speaker say Turkey.
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SPEAKER_00: Do you have friends who say that?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I have no friends who say that.
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SPEAKER_01: Actually, I have a friend from Turkey.
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SPEAKER_01: He doesn't say it.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't think even my Turkish friends say it.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: That's what he just said.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: That's why I think Czechia is kind of like that kind of thing.
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SPEAKER_00: People are like, it's like lesser and fewer.
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SPEAKER_00: It doesn't really matter, but people think it does.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: How was your weekend?
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SPEAKER_00: My weekend was good.
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SPEAKER_00: What did I do?
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, I was in Magdeburg.
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SPEAKER_00: I did a gig in Magdeburg.
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SPEAKER_00: Very good gig.
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SPEAKER_01: Magdeburg in the Heart of the Beast.
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SPEAKER_00: In Saxon-Anhalt.
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SPEAKER_01: Were there some AFD vibes there?
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SPEAKER_00: No, there never is.
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SPEAKER_00: It's hard to tell.
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SPEAKER_00: You're just in East Germany.
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SPEAKER_00: I had a good time.
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SPEAKER_00: It was really nice.
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SPEAKER_00: It's this weird thing called the Festung Mach, which is like an old... What's a festung?
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SPEAKER_00: A keep?
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just a gigantic wall of bricks.
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SPEAKER_01: A fortress.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a fortress.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know who was fighting there.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: Probably the Swedes.
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SPEAKER_01: That was a... Magdeburg used to be an outpost of...
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SPEAKER_01: This sort of Germanic crusade that swept eastwards to sort of colonize
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SPEAKER_01: the Slavic lands where we are now.
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SPEAKER_00: So they had to defend against the Slavs.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: More like an attack against the Slavs.
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SPEAKER_00: They made a lot of agricultural equipment there in the pre-war times.
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SPEAKER_00: And so then it was very easy for them to start making munitions.
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SPEAKER_00: So they were heavily bombed in the wars.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: I had a tour guide.
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SPEAKER_01: Did you make any political jokes?
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SPEAKER_00: I made no political jokes.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't think.
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SPEAKER_01: That's wise.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't have any political jokes.
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SPEAKER_00: People expect me to have a Trump joke.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't have a Trump joke because it makes me too mad.
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SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_01: Here we are back in Berlin.
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SPEAKER_01: Has anything been happening in Berlin?
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SPEAKER_00: So this week we want to talk about the ongoing cyber attack saga, which,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: there's usually the summer loch,
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SPEAKER_00: the summer dip, they call it in the news in Germany.
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SPEAKER_00: The silly season.
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SPEAKER_00: The silly season, but it hasn't been very silly.
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SPEAKER_00: It's been all this cyber attack in Berlin.
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SPEAKER_00: I wanted to report that the X rent,
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SPEAKER_00: the costs for renting that don't include your rent,
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SPEAKER_00: like your utilities, trash, that kind of stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: Berlin, it's the most expensive in Berlin as anywhere in the world, apparently.
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SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: The Die Linke had a campaign event.
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SPEAKER_00: They invited a sketchy rapper who's now rekindled the anti-Semitism debate among Die Linke.
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SPEAKER_00: And finally, we can talk about Derne Kebab.
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SPEAKER_00: Berlin ranks 25th in Derne density, but number one in the total number of kebabs.
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SPEAKER_01: 25th, even though it was invented here.
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SPEAKER_00: Even though it was invented here.
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SPEAKER_00: Our density is 25th.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Start off, why don't you tell us about the cyber attack, Maurice?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so a few weeks ago, there was a cyber attack on Berlin's state IT network.
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SPEAKER_01: More information is coming out.
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SPEAKER_01: 5.79 terabytes of sensitive data,
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SPEAKER_01: including emergency plans,
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SPEAKER_01: passwords,
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SPEAKER_01: but also NDAs,
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SPEAKER_01: non-disclosure agreements, records about court cases involving criminals.
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SPEAKER_01: All kinds of really sensitive stuff, actually.
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SPEAKER_01: Have come out.
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SPEAKER_01: They believe the attackers are these people called the Ryceda,
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SPEAKER_01: Ransomware Collective, who is now demanding a ransom.
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SPEAKER_01: They have all this data and they said they're going to publish it online
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SPEAKER_01: if they don't receive 30 Bitcoins.
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SPEAKER_01: And that is apparently around 2 million euros.
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SPEAKER_01: Is that correct?
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SPEAKER_00: I decided you'd go with 30 Bitcoin or Bitcoins.
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SPEAKER_00: You decided to use an S on the Bitcoin.
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SPEAKER_01: Plural of Bitcoins.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's a coin, coins.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't do the currency conversion.
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SPEAKER_00: It would be pretty easy.
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SPEAKER_00: Probably 2 million.
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SPEAKER_01: Anyway, so they've given the city a few days to pay up.
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SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, they're going to start publishing pretty much our sensitive data.
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SPEAKER_01: Apparently, they only have about 150 bank account numbers.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's reassuring.
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SPEAKER_00: So I have two questions.
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SPEAKER_00: One, we published this figure.
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SPEAKER_00: How many terabytes is that?
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SPEAKER_01: 5.79.
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SPEAKER_00: Does anybody know what that even means?
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SPEAKER_01: A shit ton.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So why don't they just say a lot?
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: I feel like you need to,
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SPEAKER_00: like how we would do currency conversions
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SPEAKER_00: so people know like how much rupees are worth or whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: You need that on terabytes.
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SPEAKER_00: Like how many Word documents is that?
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SPEAKER_00: How many vacation pictures is that, you know?
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SPEAKER_01: A whole bunch.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because when you read these numbers, you're like, oh, wow.
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SPEAKER_01: But the investigation is ongoing, so they're not even sure about this.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but what would it make if it was 7.6 terabytes or 28.6 terabytes?
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SPEAKER_00: That means nothing to us.
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SPEAKER_01: Terra means a whole bunch.
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SPEAKER_00: I know, but I'm just saying like there's no...
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SPEAKER_01: Alone one gigabyte could contain like probably hundreds of word files.
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SPEAKER_00: There we go.
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SPEAKER_00: So now we're moving.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: My second thing is, isn't this really that sensitive?
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SPEAKER_00: You brought up bank accounts.
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SPEAKER_00: People give each other their bank account numbers all the time.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: You can just Google people's bank account.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm kidding.
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SPEAKER_01: You probably can.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but they're not being specific about what it is.
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SPEAKER_00: That's what I was just thinking, like, okay, so it's out there.
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SPEAKER_00: So now we know what?
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SPEAKER_00: How did life change?
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SPEAKER_00: What can you do with that information?
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SPEAKER_01: We'll find out when they publish it.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Because Faye Wegner, the mayor... We will not be blackmailed.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, we will not be blackmailed.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, everyone always don't play the ransom.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: It's going to get a little spicy next week.
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SPEAKER_00: A guy we both know, I think, was kidnapped by Somali terrorists once.
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SPEAKER_00: And he was lucky that he is dual American-German citizen because
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SPEAKER_00: the Americans do not pay ransom.
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SPEAKER_00: The Germans did, got him out.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: So whenever people are like, we don't pay, I always think like, yeah, you don't.
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SPEAKER_00: I just want to add one thing.
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SPEAKER_01: Iris Spranger, who is the deputy mayor and the, I guess, interior minister of Berlin.
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SPEAKER_01: SPD.
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SPEAKER_01: Of the SPD.
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SPEAKER_01: She said that in case you were worried about it,
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SPEAKER_01: the elections on the 20th of September will be 100% secure.
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SPEAKER_00: Completely secure.
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SPEAKER_00: Not touch our elections.
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SPEAKER_01: That's because we don't do elections online here.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: There's no weird machines hooked up with the internet that could be hacked into.
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SPEAKER_00: Totally safe.
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SPEAKER_00: Totally safe.
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SPEAKER_00: Be weird if all of a sudden the EFD had 75%.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: No, I mean, what,
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SPEAKER_00: like, how are you going to hack it?
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SPEAKER_00: I just,
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SPEAKER_00: I was reading this morning about the terabytes of data and the things they stole
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SPEAKER_00: and I just thought, like, what are you really going to find out?
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SPEAKER_00: Like, what, what is the government doing that's so secretive?
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SPEAKER_01: They are responsible for immigration.
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SPEAKER_01: They're responsible for crime, justice system.
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SPEAKER_00: The only thing I could think is, yeah, criminals learn something.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, criminals could find something out.
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SPEAKER_01: But otherwise, like, You know what they're doing?
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SPEAKER_01: They're threatening,
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SPEAKER_01: well, basically Berlin will get in a bunch of trouble under the GDPR regulation.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, then you should probably protect your networks better.
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SPEAKER_01: And then Berlin will pay a fine to the EU or what?
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: That's what I mean.
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SPEAKER_00: I just feel like release it.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm naive.
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SPEAKER_00: It's an honest question.
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe I don't know what governments are doing.
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SPEAKER_00: I would just think you would find out like, oh,
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SPEAKER_00: these five businesses bid to repair the pipes in Stretzkystrasse
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SPEAKER_00: and this business got it because their bid was this much.
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SPEAKER_00: Or find out passwords.
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SPEAKER_00: Change your password, you know?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Which is a reminder to myself as much as to anybody else.
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SPEAKER_00: How often do you change your passwords?
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to tell you that.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: See, you're doing better than the city of Berlin.
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SPEAKER_01: What's next, Andrew?
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SPEAKER_00: I got to get my notes up here.
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SPEAKER_00: What's next is Berlin is the Nebenkostenweltmeister, they say in German.
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SPEAKER_00: I Googled it.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just the cost for an apartment without the cost for rent.
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SPEAKER_00: The side costs?
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SPEAKER_00: The operating costs.
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SPEAKER_00: I thought was the best description.
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SPEAKER_00: So the cost for trash, for utilities, for your phone.
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SPEAKER_01: Maintaining the building.
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SPEAKER_00: Everything.
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SPEAKER_01: That includes also the tax on the building,
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SPEAKER_01: like the property tax that the landlord has to pay,
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SPEAKER_01: which that seems a little unfair.
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SPEAKER_00: He can push it onto the renters.
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SPEAKER_00: I guess I just feel like some of these things,
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SPEAKER_00: well, then you just put it in the rent if you don't pay it directly.
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SPEAKER_00: It does seem unfair.
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SPEAKER_00: But there are so many laws in Germany that are pro-rich people.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's getting better,
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SPEAKER_00: but it's just like you didn't used to get taxed on stock gains when you invest
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SPEAKER_00: on investment gains.
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SPEAKER_00: You didn't used to get taxed on that.
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SPEAKER_00: Really?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: How did people not revolt?
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SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so in Berlin, apparently we're paying 353 euros a month for Neibenkosten.
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SPEAKER_00: In London, they pay 329 euros, which is crazy to me.
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SPEAKER_00: London's so mad expensive.
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SPEAKER_00: Warsaw, 294.
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SPEAKER_00: Munich, 325.
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SPEAKER_01: It's hard to have an opinion about this.
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SPEAKER_01: Munich, 325?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: That's like 4 euros less?
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SPEAKER_00: No, it's 19 euros less.
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SPEAKER_00: 29 euros less.
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SPEAKER_00: We can do math.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, why is that?
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SPEAKER_00: It's expensive here.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_01: I have a theory which is unsubstantiated.
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SPEAKER_01: I used to own a flat and we'd have these meetings,
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SPEAKER_01: like the Eigentümer für Sammlung,
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SPEAKER_01: a meeting of the co-operative or I don't know what he called.
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SPEAKER_01: Homeowners Association.
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SPEAKER_01: There's like, basically this is like a building management.
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SPEAKER_01: And I always have the feeling they're trying to give all these to their buddies.
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SPEAKER_01: Like they want to hide this company to do the snow clearance.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, it's like really taken and corrupt.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm sure that our management company that manages our building owns a couple
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SPEAKER_00: of maintenance companies and they weirdly got a couple of contracts.
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SPEAKER_00: I threw some of them out one day.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm like, you guys don't even do what you're saying you're doing.
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SPEAKER_00: And you can look on our management company's website
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SPEAKER_00: and these other companies are listed there as like our partners.
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SPEAKER_00: And I just was like, you guys, they were damaged and they wanted to bring these big dryers in.
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SPEAKER_00: And they forgot two of them once.
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SPEAKER_00: They stood here for like two months.
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SPEAKER_00: I called them up.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm like, do you want these things back?
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SPEAKER_00: And I sort of regret it because I think I could have just sold them.
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SPEAKER_00: So the next time they came to like, there's always water damage in our building.
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SPEAKER_00: Next time they came, I'm like, I don't want your dryers.
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SPEAKER_00: Get your dryers out of here.
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SPEAKER_00: So I totally agree with you.
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SPEAKER_00: Totally.
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SPEAKER_00: 100%.
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SPEAKER_01: So all this stuff that can really drive prices up, right?
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SPEAKER_01: If you're not like getting bids from different service providers to do this stuff,
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SPEAKER_01: the maintenance, the cleaning, the trash pickup.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, that's a monopoly.
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SPEAKER_00: Trash is done by the city.
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SPEAKER_01: No, but for some of the recycling, there's different companies that do it.
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SPEAKER_01: Like Alba is one of them.
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SPEAKER_01: And then there's a few others that do paper and
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SPEAKER_00: You guys don't,
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SPEAKER_00: didn't you get your recycling rescinded?
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SPEAKER_00: You have no recycling?
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SPEAKER_01: No, no, they just took some of the bins away because they were too full
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SPEAKER_01: and it took like weeks to get new bins.
10:53
SPEAKER_01: I think somebody still needs to do something about the maggot issue and the biotona.
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SPEAKER_01: Like our biotona is like, it's worse than ever.
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SPEAKER_00: They're so disgusting.
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SPEAKER_01: There's like thousands of maggots.
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SPEAKER_00: Once they're in there, they're just there.
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SPEAKER_01: I looked it up.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe I could spray like vinegar on them.
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SPEAKER_00: It's always vinegar.
11:08
SPEAKER_00: The answer, the non, there's always vinegar.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to try that.
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SPEAKER_00: Everything is always vinegar.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So Dilinka,
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SPEAKER_00: of course,
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SPEAKER_00: is already coming out and saying they want to put a name, cost, and decal.
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SPEAKER_00: They want to cap the amount of operating costs.
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SPEAKER_00: This is their idea for everything.
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SPEAKER_01: But how?
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, how can you do that?
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, how can you regulate that?
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: I guess you say you can only charge this much for energy.
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SPEAKER_01: There's always private companies that are bidding this stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: I guess you say in your bid you can't charge more than this.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it sounds like it could make it more bureaucratic.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah, you can try it.
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SPEAKER_01: Fair enough.
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SPEAKER_00: I think it's a ridiculous idea.
11:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm not quite sure what the answer is to bringing the Natum cost down.
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SPEAKER_00: Energy is expensive.
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SPEAKER_01: I think energy is the main one.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, you would think like water and trash are owned by the city.
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SPEAKER_00: Mostly.
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SPEAKER_00: We just discussed that.
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SPEAKER_00: So you think the city could just lower the costs on those?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Is the city gouging us?
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: Maurice has no opinion.
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SPEAKER_01: BSR.
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SPEAKER_01: BSR.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Berliner Stadtreinigung.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And Berliner Wasser.
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SPEAKER_00: Die Berliner Wasserbetriebe.
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SPEAKER_01: We need to look into that.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
12:12
SPEAKER_00: And they are trying to get the utilities back from Botfall.
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SPEAKER_00: They bought some of it.
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SPEAKER_00: They bought the network.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: That's our opinion on Nabenkosten.
12:21
SPEAKER_01: I think it all comes back down to, we need to build more buildings.
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SPEAKER_00: Just so that the volume discount, the volume discount.
12:30
SPEAKER_01: Well, no, no, but then we'd hopefully have some downward pressure on the rental market.
12:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, not just, also not just, but also subsidized social housing.
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SPEAKER_00: 100%.
12:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
12:41
SPEAKER_00: We're wasting time not building more apartments.
12:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
12:45
SPEAKER_01: Like Hamburg and, Hamburg is doing a lot better job in this.
12:49
SPEAKER_01: They don't have such same rental problems that we have, the same housing crisis.
12:53
SPEAKER_00: I think they do.
12:54
SPEAKER_00: I have friends who can't find an apartment in Hamburg.
12:56
SPEAKER_01: I bet it's not as bad.
12:58
SPEAKER_00: All relative probably, but I know it's bad there too.
13:00
SPEAKER_00: Speaking of bad things, why don't you tell us about the Linke rapper?
13:05
SPEAKER_01: Yes, this is really like a total own goal for D-Linke.
13:09
SPEAKER_01: So what happened was on the weekend there was a campaign event organized by
13:16
SPEAKER_01: the Neukölln chapter of D-Linke, which is the left-wing...
13:21
SPEAKER_01: And what happened was there were several guests on stage, including a rapper called Dahab Flex.
13:29
SPEAKER_01: And he did a song, an unannounced, it was not on the schedule, about the genocide in Gaza.
13:36
SPEAKER_01: And there were chants including Yala Yala,
13:39
SPEAKER_01: Infantata, West Bank, Palestine, Gaza, and Death to the IDF.
13:44
SPEAKER_00: How's the Yala Yala thing?
13:46
SPEAKER_00: What?
13:46
SPEAKER_00: How's the Yala West Bank, Gaza?
13:48
SPEAKER_00: How's that bad?
13:49
SPEAKER_01: Well, Infantata, you know, it's like a...
13:52
SPEAKER_01: I know the Infantata, but I just thought... Armed uprising, I guess.
13:55
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
13:55
SPEAKER_01: I mean...
13:57
SPEAKER_00: Death to the IDF, 50-50.
13:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, it doesn't matter what we think about it.
14:03
SPEAKER_01: I just think, like, tactically, it was a really dumb move.
14:06
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't matter what we...
14:07
SPEAKER_00: It's our podcast, but we don't have an opinion.
14:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
14:10
SPEAKER_01: I mean, who cares what we think?
14:11
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think it was just really,
14:12
SPEAKER_01: I mean, the, the event itself was called angry at capitalism, exclamation mark.
14:18
SPEAKER_01: And this guy, um, the hot flex, he is really militant.
14:22
SPEAKER_01: Like he, not just in the.
14:25
SPEAKER_01: Palestinian stuff,
14:26
SPEAKER_01: but also, I mean,
14:27
SPEAKER_01: he has like all these videos with him,
14:29
SPEAKER_01: like a Soviet flag, like a hammer and sickle and stuff.
14:33
SPEAKER_01: He's like, he's really, I know it's just posturing because he's quite a pretty popular rapper.
14:38
SPEAKER_01: And, you know, it's just like, kind of like gangster and whatever.
14:41
SPEAKER_01: But anyway, Elif Eralp, who wants, she's the mayoral candidate for D-Linker.
14:50
SPEAKER_01: She was not happy.
14:53
SPEAKER_00: Like this is the problem with the link.
14:54
SPEAKER_00: They want to be like totally diverse and open.
14:56
SPEAKER_00: And they're like, we just kind of have to let anybody up on the stage.
14:58
SPEAKER_00: And you got to be like, no, actually you can't.
15:01
SPEAKER_01: I need to have like, I mean,
15:02
SPEAKER_01: it's just very unprofessional,
15:04
SPEAKER_01: you know,
15:04
SPEAKER_01: like you have to have like discipline party messaging,
15:08
SPEAKER_01: you know,
15:09
SPEAKER_01: if you want to reach a broader audience or demographic than your core voters
15:16
SPEAKER_01: in my canon, you can't let this thing slide.
15:19
SPEAKER_00: The D-Link already have a reputation for being anti-Semitic
15:23
SPEAKER_00: or having anti-Semitic problems, anti-Semitic issues.
15:25
SPEAKER_00: How real
15:25
SPEAKER_01: is that?
15:26
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
15:27
SPEAKER_00: I don't understand where it comes from.
15:28
SPEAKER_00: That's my problem.
15:29
SPEAKER_00: Why would D-Link be anti-Semitic?
15:31
SPEAKER_01: I mean, okay, this is a whole can of worms.
15:33
SPEAKER_01: Maybe we don't need to go in there.
15:35
SPEAKER_01: The UK had a very similar debate.
15:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I remember that.
15:39
SPEAKER_01: A while ago.
15:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
15:40
SPEAKER_00: What was his name?
15:42
SPEAKER_01: Corbin.
15:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
15:44
SPEAKER_00: I don't understand where it comes from, but it's just stupid to put it.
15:47
SPEAKER_00: You've got to control your little campaign events.
15:48
SPEAKER_00: You've only got a couple months.
15:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
15:50
SPEAKER_00: What are you going to put somebody up there?
15:52
SPEAKER_00: And you're just like, the wing is just dying for something like this to happen.
15:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're just dying for it.
15:57
SPEAKER_01: Of course, Tagesspiegel, which is a very pro-Israel newspaper, jumped on this story.
16:04
SPEAKER_01: And so she was sort of backed up into a corner and said that she was committed
16:08
SPEAKER_01: to opposing anti-Semitism and urged the party's Neutland branch to investigate
16:12
SPEAKER_01: and take action.
16:14
SPEAKER_00: Wait, opposed to, I think you misspoke to say anti-Semitism.
16:17
SPEAKER_01: Committed to, no, committed to opposing anti-Semitism.
16:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it just seemed like there's too many words there.
16:22
SPEAKER_01: And now there's this whole debate on like in tats and on social media,
16:27
SPEAKER_01: whether or not the Israel-Palestine issue should even be something to campaign over,
16:34
SPEAKER_01: you know?
16:34
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't know.
16:36
SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
16:37
SPEAKER_00: Well, this is my question.
16:38
SPEAKER_00: Is this even going to hurt them?
16:39
SPEAKER_00: Is this going to be an issue in the election?
16:41
SPEAKER_00: And should you be campaigning on an international platform for a local election?
16:47
SPEAKER_01: I mean, some people would argue that the Berlin police have been very repressive
16:54
SPEAKER_01: towards pro-Palestinian demonstrators.
16:57
SPEAKER_01: And so that makes an issue.
16:59
SPEAKER_00: I don't think you have to.
17:01
SPEAKER_00: There's been an argument.
17:02
SPEAKER_00: I think that's pretty obvious.
17:03
SPEAKER_00: I think they definitely like pro-Palestinian protesters.
17:07
SPEAKER_00: All right.
17:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I guess it does.
17:09
SPEAKER_00: I think it's,
17:10
SPEAKER_00: I think it's,
17:11
SPEAKER_00: you're a party, you might as well say what your position is on most things.
17:14
SPEAKER_00: I just wonder if this matters.
17:15
SPEAKER_00: Is this going to change or they can lose one or two percent because of this rapper?
17:19
SPEAKER_01: Right.
17:20
SPEAKER_01: I think the head in the polls and they sort of were eyeing leading
17:25
SPEAKER_01: a coalition government with the SPD and the Greens.
17:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:28
SPEAKER_01: And they are not happy about this.
17:30
SPEAKER_00: Makes it more difficult.
17:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
17:32
SPEAKER_00: And the problem is you could easily have a CDU, SPD, Green coalition as easy as you could have.
17:38
SPEAKER_00: And the problem with the CDU, SPD,
17:39
SPEAKER_00: Greens is that the CDU would again be the senior partner and you would again have
17:43
SPEAKER_00: a CDU mayor.
17:44
SPEAKER_00: Right.
17:44
SPEAKER_00: Setting the tone.
17:46
SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't necessarily want a DeLinca mayor.
17:48
SPEAKER_00: I got my problem with DeLinca.
17:50
SPEAKER_00: But I think I would rather have a DeLinca mayor than a CDU mayor.
17:53
SPEAKER_01: Same.
17:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:55
SPEAKER_00: Plus, I think Elif's kind of fun,
17:56
SPEAKER_01: you know.
17:57
SPEAKER_00: You know, I like her as a person.
17:59
SPEAKER_00: I don't like her politics.
18:00
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't hate her politics.
18:02
SPEAKER_00: Like, her politics more than like Stefan Evers' politics from the CDU.
18:05
SPEAKER_00: And I would much rather have Elif up there talking than Stefan Evers'.
18:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know.
18:10
SPEAKER_01: I'm not really into the idea of spending billions on socializing all this housing.
18:16
SPEAKER_01: It's not going to happen.
18:17
SPEAKER_01: It will never happen.
18:18
SPEAKER_00: It will not get through the...
18:21
SPEAKER_01: I think that would easily just be spent on just building your own housing.
18:24
SPEAKER_00: You're going to have to set that money aside for the 10 years of court cases
18:27
SPEAKER_00: until you could finally do a little eminent domain and take those apartments away.
18:32
SPEAKER_00: And you could take that money now and already start building.
18:35
SPEAKER_00: But the Constitutional Court will never allow that.
18:37
SPEAKER_00: And the Linke have this weird little pipe dream that they think they can pay
18:41
SPEAKER_00: under market value or even just a symbolic euro for those apartments.
18:45
SPEAKER_00: They're high.
18:46
SPEAKER_00: No way ever.
18:47
SPEAKER_00: And you don't want to set that precedent because if they could just take stuff
18:50
SPEAKER_00: from companies, they can also take them from people.
18:53
SPEAKER_01: Right.
18:53
SPEAKER_01: Then nobody else is going to invest
18:56
SPEAKER_00: in Berlin.
18:57
SPEAKER_00: The investors aren't building anyway.
18:58
SPEAKER_00: I don't care about the investors, but you don't want that precedent.
19:00
SPEAKER_00: And besides which, we do know a government that just took stuff.
19:04
SPEAKER_01: Who's that?
19:04
SPEAKER_00: The Soviets.
19:06
SPEAKER_00: All of East Germany.
19:07
SPEAKER_00: They just expropriated anybody who owned anything.
19:09
SPEAKER_01: Right.
19:09
SPEAKER_00: It's the same thing.
19:11
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, we digress.
19:13
SPEAKER_00: We went from the Linke rapper to our hate of Deutsche Wohnen und Eichnen.
19:18
SPEAKER_01: I don't hate it.
19:18
SPEAKER_01: I just think it's naive.
19:20
SPEAKER_00: It's a pipe dream.
19:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:22
SPEAKER_00: That's where the Linke,
19:22
SPEAKER_00: they go off on these little things,
19:24
SPEAKER_00: just like they don't want to fund the war in Ukraine.
19:26
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
19:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:28
SPEAKER_00: What's your next?
19:29
SPEAKER_00: I love the Linke being over there,
19:31
SPEAKER_00: being in their little cloud,
19:32
SPEAKER_00: but they're just... You
19:32
SPEAKER_01: know what I like about the Linke?
19:33
SPEAKER_01: They were responsible for a lot of playgrounds being built in Berlin.
19:39
SPEAKER_00: I did not know that.
19:39
SPEAKER_00: As a parent.
19:40
SPEAKER_00: As a homeowner, I had to pay an extra tax because this was a development area.
19:47
SPEAKER_00: So I paid for my own playground.
19:49
SPEAKER_00: Thank you very much.
19:50
SPEAKER_00: Thanks, Andrew.
19:50
SPEAKER_00: That used to be an ambulance parking spot over there.
19:52
SPEAKER_00: Now it's a playground.
19:53
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
19:54
SPEAKER_01: And your kids played in it.
19:55
SPEAKER_01: Oh, we played it.
19:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
19:56
SPEAKER_00: Non-stop.
19:58
SPEAKER_00: My final thing is I got to get my notes up again.
20:01
SPEAKER_00: Doner kebab.
20:02
SPEAKER_00: So Berlin, we invented the Döner Kebab here.
20:05
SPEAKER_00: Berlin ranks 25th in density.
20:07
SPEAKER_00: Like per 100,000 people, we are 25th.
20:09
SPEAKER_00: In Germany?
20:10
SPEAKER_00: In Germany for Döner Kebab.
20:12
SPEAKER_01: Like Döner stands per?
20:15
SPEAKER_01: 100,000.
20:15
SPEAKER_00: We have the most, 218, which also seems kind of low, that number.
20:19
SPEAKER_00: We have 218 Döner stands.
20:21
SPEAKER_00: But we are 25th in density.
20:23
SPEAKER_00: The leader, which surprises nobody, is Mannheim.
20:26
SPEAKER_00: They have the most.
20:27
SPEAKER_00: And weirdly, Augsburg was third.
20:28
SPEAKER_01: Augsburg?
20:29
SPEAKER_00: Augsburg.
20:30
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
20:30
SPEAKER_00: But they only have 34 of the things.
20:32
SPEAKER_00: So it's a respective thing.
20:35
SPEAKER_00: But I also have this thing of like, everybody's always on my dinner kebab.
20:38
SPEAKER_00: And I just, I don't think any are that great.
20:40
SPEAKER_00: Right.
20:41
SPEAKER_00: I don't think they're great.
20:42
SPEAKER_01: I was, you know,
20:43
SPEAKER_01: I actually just happened to be a Meringdon and I dropped by Mustafa's Kamuza kebab,
20:49
SPEAKER_01: which is basically a chicken dinner.
20:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
20:52
SPEAKER_01: And I went there at 11.30 in the morning.
20:56
SPEAKER_01: The line was only half an hour.
20:58
SPEAKER_00: Did you wait?
20:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
21:01
SPEAKER_01: I was just like, what's all this?
21:02
SPEAKER_01: I haven't had one of these in like eight years.
21:05
SPEAKER_01: He moved to like out of the... Across the street into a real vision.
21:10
SPEAKER_01: And I just wanted to see if he still had it.
21:14
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, eh.
21:15
SPEAKER_00: All they do is put some sea salt and some soy sauce on it.
21:37
SPEAKER_00: Nobody goes there, because there's a place right across the street.
21:39
SPEAKER_00: It's too damn long, dude.
21:40
SPEAKER_00: On the other side of, what's the other street?
21:43
SPEAKER_01: Gneissnausstraße, right across the kitty corner.
21:47
SPEAKER_01: It is charming that you go in there, and it's just him and his assistant.
21:52
SPEAKER_01: He still makes everyone, and he's very slow and very deliberate about it.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: It's sort of like seeing a craftsman at work.
22:03
SPEAKER_00: A craftsman.
22:03
SPEAKER_00: There's six million of those craftsmen.
22:05
SPEAKER_01: I would say it's like 10% better than a regular donut.
22:07
SPEAKER_00: Before we turned on the thing, you said it's crap.
22:09
SPEAKER_01: I didn't say it's crap.
22:12
SPEAKER_01: It's just a regular donut.
22:13
SPEAKER_01: It's like nine bucks or something.
22:15
SPEAKER_00: But this is my point is that you know your donut guy.
22:18
SPEAKER_00: I know in my donut place,
22:19
SPEAKER_00: there's certain guys that I won't, if I see them working, I won't go in there.
22:22
SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to go get it.
22:23
SPEAKER_00: You know who does it well.
22:25
SPEAKER_00: And it's just yours.
22:26
SPEAKER_00: But if I go to someplace, like if I go to Mustafa's, he's not going to make it quite right.
22:30
SPEAKER_01: But the good thing about Mustafa is that it's so busy that you know the meat's fresh.
22:35
SPEAKER_00: That's also important.
22:35
SPEAKER_00: Although with chicken, maybe they didn't cook it long enough.
22:38
SPEAKER_01: Right, but he's got like the doner spit or whatever that's called, the actual kibab thing.
22:44
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I've never seen one that big.
22:46
SPEAKER_01: It's like it wasn't as wide at the top.
22:48
SPEAKER_00: I mean, at the same time, I really don't eat meat.
22:51
SPEAKER_00: No, I get the seitan one.
22:53
SPEAKER_00: They make the little seitan fried stuff now.
22:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he doesn't have that.
22:56
SPEAKER_01: You get a veggie only one.
22:58
SPEAKER_00: Or that.
22:59
SPEAKER_00: Which, like, have you ever gone to Five Guys and gotten a hamburger without the meat?
23:02
SPEAKER_00: Tastes basically the same.
23:03
SPEAKER_00: They just put a bunch of goops on there.
23:06
SPEAKER_01: Occasionally, when I'm traveling, I'll go to McDonald's and get the veggie burger.
23:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
23:10
SPEAKER_00: The Burger King veggie burgers are great.
23:11
SPEAKER_00: Is it?
23:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:12
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
23:13
SPEAKER_01: Good to know.
23:14
SPEAKER_00: It's on the bad side of the Hamburg train station, though.
23:17
SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, is Berlin, like, the reputation of being the donor capital of the world?
23:24
SPEAKER_01: Are we losing that?
23:25
SPEAKER_00: No, I just thought it was interesting.
23:27
SPEAKER_00: Maybe like our places are not, we don't have as many, but they're good.
23:30
SPEAKER_00: They're very good at what they do.
23:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, in Copenhagen, there's a place that advertises itself as Berlin Dinner.
23:38
SPEAKER_00: The one in New York advertises itself as Berlin Dinner.
23:40
SPEAKER_01: It's like 15 euros for dinner.
23:41
SPEAKER_00: I think even the Portland place was like Berlin.
23:43
SPEAKER_00: And they're not even, they're not even close to what dinner kebab is.
23:47
SPEAKER_00: Or what's the one you, in London?
23:49
SPEAKER_01: That one, the one in Copenhagen is good.
23:50
SPEAKER_00: Fair, Copenhagen is like half German, right?
23:53
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Denmark, like.
23:55
SPEAKER_01: What do you mean?
23:55
SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, it's like they share a border.
23:57
SPEAKER_00: There's like political parties on both sides for each other.
24:00
SPEAKER_01: The royal family has German roots.
24:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:03
SPEAKER_00: It's like there's, you know, so they're going to do it right.
24:05
SPEAKER_00: But whereas in London, like there's not, it's not as common or Portland, which is way away.
24:09
SPEAKER_00: You know, they're like serving in a bowl.
24:11
SPEAKER_00: A bowl?
24:12
SPEAKER_00: With like bread next.
24:12
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
24:13
SPEAKER_00: You know.
24:13
SPEAKER_00: For the gluten-free.
24:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:15
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
24:15
SPEAKER_01: It was weird.
24:17
SPEAKER_00: So I guess we move on to our favorites.
24:19
SPEAKER_00: Is it our favorite segment?
24:20
SPEAKER_00: I say that every time.
24:20
SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure it is.
24:21
SPEAKER_00: I find it kind of news.
24:23
SPEAKER_00: I find it kind of like a lot of work.
24:25
SPEAKER_01: It's because you have to smile.
24:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:27
SPEAKER_01: You have to say nice things.
24:28
SPEAKER_00: Bears knees, two things we like about Berlin.
24:31
SPEAKER_00: Go ahead.
24:32
SPEAKER_01: My bears knees this week is the Mughal.
24:36
SPEAKER_00: See, I know about the Mughalsee.
24:37
SPEAKER_00: I know all about the Mughalsee, which is the secret of Köpenick.
24:40
SPEAKER_01: The Mughalsee, which is the Mughal Lake.
24:42
SPEAKER_01: There's the Mughalberg, which is the Mughal Mountains.
24:45
SPEAKER_01: And then there's the Mughal Turm, which is the Mughal Tower.
24:48
SPEAKER_01: I know about the Mughal.
24:49
SPEAKER_01: What does Mughal mean?
24:51
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that up.
24:51
SPEAKER_00: These are the things we should look up before we start a podcast.
24:55
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, so the Mögelberger,
24:58
SPEAKER_01: it's this very full chain of hills that's south of the Mögelsee Lake.
25:03
SPEAKER_00: Are they in Brandenburg or is it still Berlin?
25:05
SPEAKER_00: It's part of Berlin.
25:06
SPEAKER_01: And they've made a really nice sort of little nature park there.
25:12
SPEAKER_01: There's a small lake.
25:13
SPEAKER_01: There's actually a very small lake within the forest there with signs about
25:18
SPEAKER_01: the different animals living in the lake.
25:20
SPEAKER_01: And then up on the hill, on the Mughalberg, there's the Mughal Tour.
25:27
SPEAKER_00: Which has been there for like a century.
25:29
SPEAKER_01: Well, they built one in the late 19th century, but then it burned down.
25:35
SPEAKER_01: And they built another one in East Germany.
25:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:39
SPEAKER_00: Well, it's the same Murgel Zay though, the East German Murgel Zay and West German.
25:44
SPEAKER_00: During the East German.
25:45
SPEAKER_00: The Murgel Tower.
25:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:47
SPEAKER_01: It's kind of boxy and ugly and it's been taken over by some kind of real estate company.
25:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:55
SPEAKER_01: And they're still sort of renovating it and adding additions and there's always sort
25:58
SPEAKER_01: of like scaffolding and sort of like badly designed like tents and stuff around it.
26:05
SPEAKER_01: And then you have to pay nine euros to go up it.
26:08
SPEAKER_00: And look at the Brandenburg Forest.
26:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I did it the other day.
26:11
SPEAKER_01: It's a great view of the city.
26:12
SPEAKER_01: I am scared.
26:13
SPEAKER_01: I'm kind of scared of this.
26:14
SPEAKER_01: It's really thin and really high.
26:16
SPEAKER_00: That a dude who's six foot six would be afraid of heights.
26:19
SPEAKER_00: You know what it is?
26:19
SPEAKER_01: It's because if you're tall, like every railing.
26:22
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
26:23
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
26:23
SPEAKER_01: So they've kind of caged it.
26:24
SPEAKER_01: I did.
26:25
SPEAKER_01: The first time I went there was maybe 20 years ago, and you didn't have to pay.
26:29
SPEAKER_01: There was no sort of cage around it.
26:31
SPEAKER_01: It was just a really low railing.
26:34
SPEAKER_01: But even with that sort of cage they built, it's kind of scary.
26:38
SPEAKER_01: And it's like really windy.
26:40
SPEAKER_01: And it's like this really thin East German tower.
26:43
SPEAKER_00: Am I going to survive?
26:45
SPEAKER_00: So it's an amusement park ride as well as a nice view.
26:48
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it is.
26:49
SPEAKER_01: Nine euros is pretty steep.
26:51
SPEAKER_00: I think it's pretty steep for our old brains, but these days things just cost nine euros.
26:55
SPEAKER_00: That's lunch, you know?
26:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
26:58
SPEAKER_01: The best part is that it's a nice little place for a day.
27:01
SPEAKER_00: The thing about Köpenick is like, it's been known as a right wing hotbed for decades.
27:05
SPEAKER_00: So nobody really, and it's also way Southern Berlin.
27:07
SPEAKER_00: Nobody wants to go there, but it's actually beautiful.
27:10
SPEAKER_00: Like the Mögelsee Lake is just crazy.
27:12
SPEAKER_00: Nice.
27:12
SPEAKER_00: It's huge.
27:14
SPEAKER_01: Friedrich Hagen, right?
27:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:16
SPEAKER_01: The little place right on the lake.
27:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:18
SPEAKER_01: That is beautiful.
27:19
SPEAKER_00: Being sold.
27:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and there was a brewery there.
27:24
SPEAKER_00: It was Brewdog?
27:26
SPEAKER_00: No, that's in Mariefelde.
27:27
SPEAKER_01: It's called Berliner, whatever, it doesn't matter what it is.
27:30
SPEAKER_00: But it's crazy nice down there.
27:31
SPEAKER_00: It's actually beautiful.
27:32
SPEAKER_00: And it's on everybody's list in Berlin of things you should do.
27:35
SPEAKER_00: Your bucket list, I don't know why that's one of those terms I hate.
27:37
SPEAKER_00: Do you have things you hate and you don't know why you hate them?
27:39
SPEAKER_01: Bucket list, I mean, something really morbid.
27:41
SPEAKER_00: Well, it means kicking the bucket.
27:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
27:43
SPEAKER_00: But I don't know why.
27:44
SPEAKER_00: I just don't like the term.
27:44
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, on every Berliner's bucket list is walking around Muguse Lake once.
27:49
SPEAKER_00: There's a trail that goes all the way around.
27:50
SPEAKER_00: Oh, really?
27:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
27:51
SPEAKER_00: It's on my list.
27:52
SPEAKER_00: We've started,
27:53
SPEAKER_00: we've like got in the car to do it a couple of times and just never quite made it.
27:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:56
SPEAKER_01: I'd like to, I don't know about the boat there.
27:59
SPEAKER_00: You like running boats.
28:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:01
SPEAKER_00: That's a Maurice thing.
28:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:04
SPEAKER_00: So my thing,
28:05
SPEAKER_00: I keep doing these where I go to good concerts that I like and then I like
28:07
SPEAKER_00: the venue.
28:08
SPEAKER_00: This one surprised me.
28:09
SPEAKER_00: Like I knew about the Wulheide where I went a couple weeks ago.
28:12
SPEAKER_00: Space 44, this was earlier this summer.
28:13
SPEAKER_00: I went to the Sugar concert there.
28:16
SPEAKER_00: I guess it was a movie theater down in Neukölln.
28:20
SPEAKER_00: Space 44.
28:21
SPEAKER_00: Space 44.
28:22
SPEAKER_00: Here's my concert venues.
28:24
SPEAKER_00: I want to be able to see the people on the stage and I want to be able to get a beer easily.
28:28
SPEAKER_00: Those are my two criteria.
28:30
SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
28:30
SPEAKER_00: That was Sugar.
28:31
SPEAKER_00: Do you know Bob Mould?
28:32
SPEAKER_00: No.
28:33
SPEAKER_00: Husker 2.
28:35
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
28:35
SPEAKER_00: He was in Husker 2,
28:36
SPEAKER_00: then he was by himself,
28:37
SPEAKER_00: then he had this band Sugar in the 90s,
28:39
SPEAKER_00: they just got back together, he did a tour, it was pretty great.
28:41
SPEAKER_00: Bob Mulder also lived here for four or five years on Wittenbergplatz.
28:45
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, I do not.
28:47
SPEAKER_01: Do you remember?
28:48
SPEAKER_00: I probably knew this
28:49
SPEAKER_01: at some point.
28:51
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so I saw the show there.
28:52
SPEAKER_00: It was great.
28:52
SPEAKER_00: Like we stood like in the middle of the dance floor and just watching the concert
28:56
SPEAKER_00: and I could just like walk sideways over.
28:58
SPEAKER_00: They had bars on both sides and in the back.
29:01
SPEAKER_00: You just walk one way, get a beer, walk back over and watch the rest of the concert.
29:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:04
SPEAKER_01: You got to call like Columbia Halla and it's like, takes about half an hour to get a beer.
29:09
SPEAKER_00: You got to hike over to that one side.
29:12
SPEAKER_01: And then you get the little chips.
29:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:13
SPEAKER_01: I hate that.
29:14
SPEAKER_01: None of this.
29:15
SPEAKER_01: The plastic cups with the chips.
29:16
SPEAKER_01: None of this.
29:16
SPEAKER_01: Each chip is worth two euros.
29:18
SPEAKER_01: Then you lose the chip and you can't get your front back.
29:21
SPEAKER_01: And just like, it's just, just, you get a new one.
29:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:25
SPEAKER_00: So that's the space.
29:26
SPEAKER_00: It's a nice little concert venue.
29:27
SPEAKER_00: I guess it was a movie theater.
29:29
SPEAKER_00: That's my, you know what?
29:31
SPEAKER_00: I get Hermannstrasse and Sonnenallee confused all the time.
29:35
SPEAKER_00: One of those two.
29:35
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
29:36
SPEAKER_01: Space 44.
29:37
SPEAKER_00: Right by the highway.
29:38
SPEAKER_00: Like, that's how far out is.
29:39
SPEAKER_01: And actually,
29:40
SPEAKER_01: I'd like to note here,
29:41
SPEAKER_01: a friend of mine the other day said,
29:44
SPEAKER_01: so me and my girlfriend were thinking that you guys get paid
29:47
SPEAKER_01: to mention those bear's knees.
29:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:50
SPEAKER_01: It's a great idea, but no.
29:52
SPEAKER_01: This is not advertising.
29:54
SPEAKER_00: Totally open to it.
29:54
SPEAKER_00: Totally.
29:56
SPEAKER_00: Somebody out there, yeah.
29:58
SPEAKER_00: You got a restaurant you want to recommend?
30:00
SPEAKER_00: I love you already.
30:01
SPEAKER_00: You're already a good friend of mine.
30:03
SPEAKER_00: I went to this great, I don't know.
30:05
SPEAKER_00: I don't even know.
30:06
SPEAKER_00: I used to leave negative Google reviews.
30:08
SPEAKER_00: I don't even do it anymore.
30:09
SPEAKER_00: You just sound like a Karen.
30:12
SPEAKER_01: Well, they're going to get deleted anyway.
30:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they say defamation, take it off.
30:18
SPEAKER_00: And I don't care.
30:20
SPEAKER_00: And even if a restaurant has a beef, I'm hungry, I'm going in there.
30:23
SPEAKER_01: I feel sorry for anyone who has to buy a restaurant.
30:26
SPEAKER_01: This sucks.
30:27
SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, it's their own fault.
30:30
SPEAKER_01: That is also true.
30:33
SPEAKER_00: Dealing with the public, horrible.
30:34
SPEAKER_01: No, but just, I mean, I don't know.
30:36
SPEAKER_01: It's just such a messy, logistically complex business.
30:39
SPEAKER_01: You got to deal with like the kind of people that like, I don't know.
30:43
SPEAKER_01: It's a very transient workforce, you know?
30:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:46
SPEAKER_00: Training people's a nightmare.
30:47
SPEAKER_00: Dealing with people.
30:49
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I just have to manage for one of my little part-time jobs.
30:51
SPEAKER_00: I hate it.
30:51
SPEAKER_01: The only way to make money is to basically...
30:53
SPEAKER_00: I was going to say apparently not take credit cards and come up with dumb excuses
30:58
SPEAKER_00: for why you can't take credit cards.
30:59
SPEAKER_00: Hey, Maurice, thanks for coming over.
31:01
SPEAKER_01: Thank you for hosting, Andrew.
31:03
SPEAKER_00: Another podcast in the books.
31:05
SPEAKER_00: Cheers.
31:06
SPEAKER_00: Oh, like, subscribe, follow.
31:07
SPEAKER_00: Like, subscribe, follow.
31:09
SPEAKER_00: Smash that hype button.
31:11
SPEAKER_01: Bye.